Yeah, that seems like something you should just be able to buy at the store
That's actually,ingenious. A ten speed,self propelled lawn mower.
Cheers,
Frank
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination."-Albert Einstein
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We can talk about,the 3.7,magnitude earthquake,that the Chicago area suburbs,had at 12:35 this afternoon. I was upstairs at my desk and the whole house shook,twice at about two second intervals,something I never experienced before,in my 70 yrs,of living in IL. The news said,it was an earthquake,six miles from me. Now my son just yelled upstairs,to me and it supposedly was an explosion in a Quarry, that the people involved stated that they don't know what happened,to make it so big,because the material they used is the same,as when they did it before. Who do You Believe ??
'' Now back to our regularly scheduled pointless discussion''.
I believe the OP just wanted to start a discussion and any other details are not important. Lets talk, about anything. The whole discussion is pointless.
Rich
If you ever fall over in public, pick yourself up and say “sorry it’s been a while since I inhabited a body.” And just walk away.
BRAKIE Don,You forgot one: The State of California has determined that building kits may become a habit.
Don,You forgot one:
The State of California has determined that building kits may become a habit.
Paul,
They already have, a very similar text, Preproduction Model shown,built and painted,blah blah,details and figures,not included,in kit. Table of contents, on side of box.
EMD.Don We really need the model companies to start running a list of disclaimers like the drug commercials do on TV: -this is a plastic model. Some experience at model construction is recommended but not entirely necessary. Please see page 1 of the full disclaimer booklet found within the box or found online at our website to see what level of experience you are currently at. Please note: experience levels are subjective, but generally range from "no hope in heck" to "this is too easy". -no age recommendation. If you can read this you should be good-to-go. If you cannot then putting an age recommendation here would be superfluous (a waste of time). -model comes molded in color (generally white...but white may have faded to off white...slight chance of yellowish areas in the corners that may occur over time...). Rusty colored spots are normal due to the molding process. Black spots are not normal and users should seek a replacement immediately. -window frames are molded separately in color (see above). -doors are molded separately in color (see above). -clear plastic is provided for the "glass" portion of the separately molded windows (the term "glass" is used to described the area of the separately molded windows (molded in color) where an HO sized person of average height would either look into or out of). Substitute "HO" for "N" if you purchased that scale version of this model kit. Please note: "average height" is not meant to be offensive to people of above average height or below average height (see page 11 of the full disclaimer booklet found within the box or found online at our website). -No actual glass is provided in the kit. But the clear plastic provided to simulate "glass" may show signs of scratching or crazing due to contents shifting during shipment. This is an irritating but normal side affect of model kits. Over time clear plastic may deform or become limp looking. Any deformation that exceeds acceptable limits or that will not fit flush against separately molded windows (molded in color...see above for color description as colors may vary) would require the user to seek a replacement immediately. -tiny pictures on the box show completed and assembled unpainted kit (model molded in color...see above for color description as colors may vary). Please note that color variations of box top photo's may occurr due to various circumstances (listed on page 8 of the full disclaimer booklet found within the box or found online at our website). We apologize for the tiny pictures, but increasing the box size to accomodate larger pictures and the following disclaimer highlights would have necessitated an increase in consumer cost (please see full apology on page 14 of the full disclaimer booklet found within the box or found online at our website). -user must purchase an appropriate adhesive (also referred to as "modelers cement", or "plastic cement", "glue for plastic models"....but it is up to the user to ensure a proper adhesive is used). A list of acceptable adhesives is listed on page 2 of the full disclaimer booklet or found online at our website). We are not responsible if the user selects an improper adhesive. -for complete legal rights, responsibilities, entitlements etc, please see page 15 of the full disclaimer booklet found within the box or found online at our website. HAPPY MODELING TO ALL! Don.
We really need the model companies to start running a list of disclaimers like the drug commercials do on TV:
-this is a plastic model. Some experience at model construction is recommended but not entirely necessary. Please see page 1 of the full disclaimer booklet found within the box or found online at our website to see what level of experience you are currently at. Please note: experience levels are subjective, but generally range from "no hope in heck" to "this is too easy".
-no age recommendation. If you can read this you should be good-to-go. If you cannot then putting an age recommendation here would be superfluous (a waste of time).
-model comes molded in color (generally white...but white may have faded to off white...slight chance of yellowish areas in the corners that may occur over time...). Rusty colored spots are normal due to the molding process. Black spots are not normal and users should seek a replacement immediately.
-window frames are molded separately in color (see above).
-doors are molded separately in color (see above).
-clear plastic is provided for the "glass" portion of the separately molded windows (the term "glass" is used to described the area of the separately molded windows (molded in color) where an HO sized person of average height would either look into or out of). Substitute "HO" for "N" if you purchased that scale version of this model kit. Please note: "average height" is not meant to be offensive to people of above average height or below average height (see page 11 of the full disclaimer booklet found within the box or found online at our website).
-No actual glass is provided in the kit. But the clear plastic provided to simulate "glass" may show signs of scratching or crazing due to contents shifting during shipment. This is an irritating but normal side affect of model kits. Over time clear plastic may deform or become limp looking. Any deformation that exceeds acceptable limits or that will not fit flush against separately molded windows (molded in color...see above for color description as colors may vary) would require the user to seek a replacement immediately.
-tiny pictures on the box show completed and assembled unpainted kit (model molded in color...see above for color description as colors may vary). Please note that color variations of box top photo's may occurr due to various circumstances (listed on page 8 of the full disclaimer booklet found within the box or found online at our website). We apologize for the tiny pictures, but increasing the box size to accomodate larger pictures and the following disclaimer highlights would have necessitated an increase in consumer cost (please see full apology on page 14 of the full disclaimer booklet found within the box or found online at our website).
-user must purchase an appropriate adhesive (also referred to as "modelers cement", or "plastic cement", "glue for plastic models"....but it is up to the user to ensure a proper adhesive is used). A list of acceptable adhesives is listed on page 2 of the full disclaimer booklet or found online at our website). We are not responsible if the user selects an improper adhesive.
-for complete legal rights, responsibilities, entitlements etc, please see page 15 of the full disclaimer booklet found within the box or found online at our website.
HAPPY MODELING TO ALL!
Don.
Or the short form:
Picture for illustration only. Contents of box may not include all parts necessary to build pictured model.
Enjoy
Paul
...I will add it to page 15 of the full disclaimer booklet (found inside the kit or online at our website)
"Ladies and gentlemen, I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news is that both engines have failed, and we will be stuck here for some time. The good news is that you decided to take the train and not fly."
Larry
Conductor.
Summerset Ry.
"Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!"
kbkchooch Thanks Don Had to clean my screen, all the sarcasm was dripping out of it!
Thanks Don
Had to clean my screen, all the sarcasm was dripping out of it!
Disclaimer: I am not responsible for damages that may occurr due to the original posted disclaimer....
Karl
NCE über alles!
Frank,
I agree. A lot of the OP's issue could have been handled if he would have read the box better. Does he need to read the website too? That may not be automatic for some. And it would have been helpful if some of us would have researched the box ouselves and pointed out his error before telling him to basically get over it, its the way it is.
Embedded in his post is the possibility that he got a base, a roof, and four walls all with molded on details that have to be tediously painted to get the details it to look close to what the picture on the box represents. A big DPM kit at twice the price. We don't know, but I sense some of his frustration comes from the feeling he paid more than he thought he should for what he got and he was expressing it as a disclosure problem by Walthers, when its maybe really about a cost of production plus a huge mark-up issue. Perhaps not.
- Douglas
I still find this thread amazing, just for the plain fact,that seem's to find it's way,in a lot of questions. ''Read''. seem's to me,that is beginning to be some so of lost art,in our World. A good case in point, on these very same discussions, not all that long ago,a poster, had a question,about a, five pack, Intermodal car that he had said,however he tried,he could not get one of the cars to couple on to one of the last units, as always people responded about reading the instructions, His answer of course,was that he did and there was nothing about,what he was experiencing. Sometime during the thread, another poster said he was having the same problem, until,he got a tip,from a friend and was told to read,the bottom of the box, sure enough,there were diagrams and a text explaining how to set it up.
MisterBeasley DoughlessThe trade off is simple...more labor by me means less money for the producer. We each have our own approach to the hobby, and none of them is "right" or "wrong." But, in my case, if I buy a plastic kit for $20 I expect to spend a certain amount of time to paint and assemble it. But, if I spend $75 for a laser kit, I expect to spend even more time on it. Since I'm mostly a "Builder" who enjoys creating scenery, I look at the "play value" of a kit. If it takes me 20 hours to paint and assemble a simple,$20 kit, that's a dollar an hour for some engaging entertainment. That, to me, is a far better value than $15 to see a 2-hour zombie movie in the theater. And, while I may get some glue on my fingers building a model, at least I won't end up with my shoes stuck to the floor.
DoughlessThe trade off is simple...more labor by me means less money for the producer.
We each have our own approach to the hobby, and none of them is "right" or "wrong."
But, in my case, if I buy a plastic kit for $20 I expect to spend a certain amount of time to paint and assemble it. But, if I spend $75 for a laser kit, I expect to spend even more time on it. Since I'm mostly a "Builder" who enjoys creating scenery, I look at the "play value" of a kit. If it takes me 20 hours to paint and assemble a simple,$20 kit, that's a dollar an hour for some engaging entertainment.
That, to me, is a far better value than $15 to see a 2-hour zombie movie in the theater. And, while I may get some glue on my fingers building a model, at least I won't end up with my shoes stuck to the floor.
Yes, I understand the joy of model building, and my point is someone lost in my responses.
In this world of RTR, it seems like we are paying for the labor needed to assemble and paint the product. What would your $75 laser kit cost, if it were not a kit but came RTR and you basically had to pay someone at the factory to build it?
Have you seen the Woodland Scenice built up buildings? Many of those RTR buildings are nothing more than the standard DPM $17 kit, which is about 4 walls and styrene to use as a roof and a base, built up and painted by someone. Yes, there are a few more small details applied, but the buyer is basically buying the product AND the labor, and a small store costs about $50.
Making a kit with a bunch of small parts cost money. I'll pay for the separate tooling and time it takes to make each part on its own sprue, possibly in a different color.
If I buy a kit, I guess what I don't want is 6 big pieces of styrene, a base and a roof and 4 walls, and pay RTR or multiple tooling prices for it, when I get neither. I''ll pay DPM kit prices for it. That was how I read the original post to this thread when the OP complained about having to tediously paint windows, like a DPM kit. I wondered what he paid for his "opportunity". $20?, ok then. $50 bucks? Ripoff.
As far as laser cut kits, that's a little different. They are wood, and real wood kits look better than fake styrene wood. They have to have a certain amount of individual pieces that have to be assembled in order to look right. Having said that, I want my $75 to include a certain amount of engineering and thought put into the pieces I get. I don't just want a pile of sticks that I have to measure and cut myself, according to a somewhat poorly exectuted instruction sheet. Some producers are better than this than others. I'll go find an instruction sheet and find stock wood at the hobby shop if I have do cut everything my self, or scratch build something with $10 worth of sticks.
It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse.
Doughless Have you seen a picture of the Atlas Middlesex Manufacturing kit? I'm hoping some sort of description is on the box or website letting me know if all of those windows are separate or molded in.
I don't have that building, but on the web site, it is noted that "optional window blanks to brick out the windows and window vents will be included with the model".
So, it is probably fair to assume that the window frames are separate from the brick walls.
Alton Junction
ATLANTIC CENTRAL I just finished cutting my acre of leaves, but as you know, it was not with a Deere. Sheldon
I just finished cutting my acre of leaves, but as you know, it was not with a Deere.
Sheldon
Hey Sheldon,
Nice job on the tractor kit, was it molded in that Home Depot orange, or did you paint it that color?
Just got me a new RTR tractor, I got tired of getting my tools dirty. I sold the 58 year old Deere, and semi retired the 46 year old Cub
Doughless Have you seen a picture of the Atlas Middlesex Manufacturing kit? I'm hoping some sort of description is on the box or website letting me know if all of those windows are separate or molded in...If things are not properly described, I won't buy them.
Have you seen a picture of the Atlas Middlesex Manufacturing kit? I'm hoping some sort of description is on the box or website letting me know if all of those windows are separate or molded in...If things are not properly described, I won't buy them.
Doughless,
Why not contact Atlas directly and ask them. Most manufacturers are generally pretty good about getting back to you on inquiries about their product. Walthers is one of few who are not. Size may have something to do with that.
Tom
https://tstage9.wixsite.com/nyc-modeling
Time...It marches on...without ever turning around to see if anyone is even keeping in step.
richhotrain I am still having a hard time taking this thread seriously. Here are some of the words on each box. Molded in brown and clear plastic. Kit shown assembled and painted. Required for completion: Plastic glue, modeling knife, acrylic paint recommended. On the Walthers web site, the Instruction Sheet clearly shows the brick walls with the window frames molded into the walls. Rich
I am still having a hard time taking this thread seriously.
Here are some of the words on each box.
Molded in brown and clear plastic.
Kit shown assembled and painted.
Required for completion: Plastic glue, modeling knife, acrylic paint recommended.
On the Walthers web site, the Instruction Sheet clearly shows the brick walls with the window frames molded into the walls.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL richhotrain ATLANTIC CENTRAL BATMAN Well I'm going to go get on the John Deere and cut my acre of leaves. They say nothin runs like a Deere! I just hope lawn tractors aren't in season yet. We move pretty slow. I just finished cutting my acre of leaves, but as you know, it was not with a Deere. Sheldon Sheldon, how come you did not re-letter the mower to "Atlantic Central" ? And, I assume that you disabled the horn and sold the decoder on eBay, right? Rich Rich, Actually, you can joke all you want, but that tractor, just like many of my locos, contains over a dozen custom improvements designed, engineered and installed by me. Many of which I made the parts for, some I had parts manufactured at a local machine shop. And it is "custom lettered" because I changed the model designation from "16-G" to "18-GLX" to relect all the modifications. Custom decals were made just for this purpose. A number of other GRAVELY owners have also followed my lead and installed the same improvements, in some cases with parts supplied by me. You can read all about my tractor and all its improved features here: http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=204196 That tractor is 17 years old, that is a recent picture. Still runs and looks new. One of my other hobbies...... One of the improvements is brighter headlights, so yes its been rewired some. And everybody knows that garden tractors do not have horns, they already make 95 db noise just by running. Sheldon
richhotrain ATLANTIC CENTRAL BATMAN Well I'm going to go get on the John Deere and cut my acre of leaves. They say nothin runs like a Deere! I just hope lawn tractors aren't in season yet. We move pretty slow. I just finished cutting my acre of leaves, but as you know, it was not with a Deere. Sheldon Sheldon, how come you did not re-letter the mower to "Atlantic Central" ? And, I assume that you disabled the horn and sold the decoder on eBay, right? Rich
ATLANTIC CENTRAL BATMAN Well I'm going to go get on the John Deere and cut my acre of leaves. They say nothin runs like a Deere! I just hope lawn tractors aren't in season yet. We move pretty slow. I just finished cutting my acre of leaves, but as you know, it was not with a Deere. Sheldon
BATMAN Well I'm going to go get on the John Deere and cut my acre of leaves. They say nothin runs like a Deere! I just hope lawn tractors aren't in season yet. We move pretty slow.
Well I'm going to go get on the John Deere and cut my acre of leaves. They say nothin runs like a Deere!
I just hope lawn tractors aren't in season yet. We move pretty slow.
Sheldon, how come you did not re-letter the mower to "Atlantic Central" ?
And, I assume that you disabled the horn and sold the decoder on eBay, right?
Rich,
Actually, you can joke all you want, but that tractor, just like many of my locos, contains over a dozen custom improvements designed, engineered and installed by me. Many of which I made the parts for, some I had parts manufactured at a local machine shop.
And it is "custom lettered" because I changed the model designation from "16-G" to "18-GLX" to relect all the modifications. Custom decals were made just for this purpose.
A number of other GRAVELY owners have also followed my lead and installed the same improvements, in some cases with parts supplied by me.
You can read all about my tractor and all its improved features here:
http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=204196
That tractor is 17 years old, that is a recent picture. Still runs and looks new. One of my other hobbies......
One of the improvements is brighter headlights, so yes its been rewired some. And everybody knows that garden tractors do not have horns, they already make 95 db noise just by running.
Sheldon, my only regret is that I don't live next door to you. That sucker puts my little self propelled 22" John Deere mower to shame.
But, I still want to know why you didn't re-letter it to "Atlantic Central", especially since you took the time to add the "X".
Great thread on the improvements.
I still don't understand how the OP could spend many hours assembling the kits only to realize the next morning that all of the parts were molded in brown, not multi-color.
I repeat my offer.
Box up the kits, include a small bottle of each color paint that you want on the finished model, mail them to me, and I will hand paint them for you, no charge.
You pay for shipping, and I will return the painted parts to you so that you can complete the assembly.
DSchmittThe OP wants the finished product, but because of physical limitations is not capable of achieving the results. I sympathize with him.
As do I since I have limited use of my right thumb and forefinger but,when I had very little movement in my right hand I adapted and overcame this handicap and my modeling did take a slight nose dive.
Here is a N Scale Walther ADM kit that I kitbash using my "off hand".
What I'm saying is one needs to learn to adapt and overcome.
The OP wants the finished product, but because of physical limitations is not capable of achieving the results. I sympathize with him. Many of my modeling efforts (not kit building) have been largely curtailed by health problems in recent years.
As stated by others, many model buildings are available already built.
Another possibility is for him to find someone to build the kits for him or at least do the painting which appears to be his problem. He might have to pay for the service, but it is also possible some (probably young aspiring) modelers will do it for free to gain experience and because they enjoy the "work" . It could be a win-win situation.
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
BRAKIE Doughless They can have either my labor or my money, not both. Ours is a labor of love and the only "paycheck" we get is the enjoyment of building,painting,decaling,detailing etc. Our hobby time is worth diddly squat.
Doughless They can have either my labor or my money, not both.
Ours is a labor of love and the only "paycheck" we get is the enjoyment of building,painting,decaling,detailing etc.
Our hobby time is worth diddly squat.
Larry,
I agree with you,100%. Some of the answers to this thread, are simply amazing. This is supposed to be a Hobby,not a job. I take,or get enjoyment,out of the building and painting of the kit, not how fast it goes together, with someone,else's idea,of how it should look. Through out my 62yrs in HO and 70 yrs. of my life, I learned a,in my opinion, a very important part of life, ''Patience''.