Apparently, the thread got pulled without any explanation of the problem or its resolution by the moderators or Kalmbach.
I am still experiencing problems this morning when I post.
What happened?
Rich
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richhotrain Apparently, the thread got pulled without any explanation of the problem or its resolution by the moderators or Kalmbach. I am still experiencing problems this morning when I post. What happened? Rich
I don't know about the topic because I didn'r read it because I am having no problems accessing the site.
I use windows and i e 9 and at times firefox...I do keep all three upgraded with the latest updates.
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The thread has been deleted, but I don´t know by whom or for what reason. I can only assume that the issue is well known to the Kalmbach administrators by now.
I still see continuing incompatibility problems by a number of forum members, so I have asked the administrators to come up with a "sticky" thread on how to remedy those problems.
The forum admins were working on the issue. I reckon one of them deleted the thread without realizing that it would cause anybody concern.
I'm locking this thread so it doesn't become a big bashing party. If you want to open a new thread about the PROBLEM that doesn't include bashing, go right ahead.
John
There's never time to do it right, but always time to do it over.....
Sir Madog and jwhitten are moderators, So I would think they know.
The problems turned out to be seemingly 1/2 forum problems and 1/2 the individual's computer compatibility program issues.
Even though I use AOL direct from Time WArner CAble, apparently it is tied into IE as well.I was able to solve the problems I was having by re-downloading IE8 {NOT IE9} and that solved my problems apparently so I no longer had a complaint.
FOr those who use IE9 I guess you have to click on the "torn piece of paper icon" at the top right to make IE9 emulate IE8 and work the forum.
Others, though have compalined with other op systems, so who knows. Maybe there are still so glitches in the forum software.
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jwhitten The forum admins were working on the issue. I reckon one of them deleted the thread without realizing that it would cause anybody concern. I'm locking this thread so it doesn't become a big bashing party. If you want to open a new thread about the PROBLEM that doesn't include bashing, go right ahead. John
John,
I have no intent to bash, and no interest in bashing.
The original thread, which I did not author, raised valid problems about posting, and it was looking for solutions. Deleting the thread without comment doesn't address a problem which seems to concern many forum members. I don't recall any bashing in that original thread.
I didn't see what the problems were that were previously llsted, but in the past week I have noticed very often one two separate computeres that the tab gives a message that it has just been recovered very often. This only happens on the MR forums and no where else. So yeah, something is screwy in denmark.
"This Tab has been Recovered" is often what I see half the time I click on an option in this forum.
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Harold and Galaxy,I have no such problems with i e 9..I wonder if its because of my current computer,windows or whatever settings (my son is my IT man and did all the settings) ? As I mention I update windows as needed.
I am interested why some are having problems while some of us don't-might be handy to know..
richhotrain jwhitten: The forum admins were working on the issue. I reckon one of them deleted the thread without realizing that it would cause anybody concern. I'm locking this thread so it doesn't become a big bashing party. If you want to open a new thread about the PROBLEM that doesn't include bashing, go right ahead. John John, I have no intent to bash, and no interest in bashing. The original thread, which I did not author, raised valid problems about posting, and it was looking for solutions. Deleting the thread without comment doesn't address a problem which seems to concern many forum members. I don't recall any bashing in that original thread. Rich
jwhitten: The forum admins were working on the issue. I reckon one of them deleted the thread without realizing that it would cause anybody concern. I'm locking this thread so it doesn't become a big bashing party. If you want to open a new thread about the PROBLEM that doesn't include bashing, go right ahead. John
I did not delete the thread, nor did Ulrich (Sir Madog). Nor did Steve Otte for that matter, nor was it Dana or Wade, the forum administrators. The person who did "delete" the thread didn't even actually "delete" it, but rather moved it to the "deleted" forum, most likely because they do NOT frequent the site on a regular basis and were probably completely unaware of any perceived slight that their action might engender within the forum community. Give it a break folks, not everything that you perceive as "bad" that happens actually has any sort of nefarious or malicious basis.
I intended to lock this thread earlier-- but apparently the old "moderator having difficulty locking the thread" issue is raising its head again. Maybe it was one of YOU who messed with the thread locking ability.... hmmm... I'm looking around and seeing some furtive looks....
Seriously though-- since this thread has already lasted as long as it has, might as well let it stand now.
If you're STILL having a problem with your browser or site access, talk about THAT-- let's let the rest go, okay?
I would love to see what others are doing to see these problems, as I have yet to have any. I'm using WIndows 7 and IE9, but i can go to my other computer with Windows XP and IE8, or go upstairs to my train room computer which has Ubuntu Linux and some version of FIrefox and post, reply, and edit my own posts with no problems. I was using IE8 on the Windows 7 computer but decided it was long enough and upgraded to IE9. I already knew about the need to select compatibility mode, and so did so on my first vist with IE9 and never had a problem.
One common factor perhaps is that while I do have an antivirus program runnign on all of my computers, I do NOT have a firewall. I have a firewall/router connected between my cable modem and the rest of my computers. More really isn't needed. I don;t have any extra ad blockers of popup blockers other than what comes with the browser. I block a bit more solidly - check the url on a popup ad - often it is somethign like ads.<somecompany.com>. In IE, you add that site to the Restricted Sites and you will never see an ad from that site ever again. The nice thign is that there are certain ad providers who are used at MANY sites, so you block the ad provider and it stops ads on lots of different sites. ANd since you only block the advertising subsite of the provider, any other legitimate content they serve is not in much danger of being mistakenly blocked.
I also cannot continue to stress the need to perform some basic housecleanign on your computer periodically to keep it runnign in tp shape. Emptying the recycle bin is just one small part of that. In newer versiosn of Windows, whenever you make a system change, such as installing updates, it makes a system snapshot to allow you to quickly roll back the changes if somethign goes wrong. These snapshots continue to accumulate unless you clean them out via the Disk Cleanup WIzard - it's the second tab with More Options and there is a checkbox to clean out all but the most recent system restore snapshot. You'd be amazed at how much disk space this frees up if you have never done this. This could be why on the previous two computers I had with Windows XP I NEVER rebuilt them, whereas some peopel seem to think that with WIndows XP you need to reformat and reinstall the OS about once a year or so. Hogwash. Use the cleanup utilities provided and your computer won't slow down.
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As someone who was an early adopter of Internet technology (by which I mean I was filesharing and sending IM's and e-mails and posting to bulletin boards when it was still DARPANet, back in 1983-84), I can say that we've come a long way. I remember how thrilled I was when I got my first dial-up 4800 baud (bits per second) modem that DIDN'T actually have to have the phone handset connected to it! Those of you who complain about "slow connection speeds" need to research those days. 4800 baud was slow for text.... forget about graphics.
In the early days, your computer had to have thus and such a capability (usually a modem, and you had to enter commands in thus and such a syntax, and if a function wasn't supported, then you just didn't do it. Period. We all dealt with it. A small price to pay for "instant" communication.
Then along came the World Wide Web. Three or four different computer operating environments, untold billions of PC configurations, plug-ins, add-ons, four or five browsers. It's amazing the darned thing works at all. FWIW, I've never been an IE fan. I held on to Netscape as long as I could (I think I was finally forced out in 1999 or 2000), and have been using Firefox happily for many years.
Point is, though, compatibility and communication issues WILL happen. A lot of it is user error -- people love to protest that they've done everything right... but you know what, I can't count the number of times that I thought I did everything right, only to find out it was my mistake after all (that little period or comma that you didn't notice that snuck in, for example). And a lot of user error is really just ignorance. But as anyone who has ever tried to program a computer can tell you, programming is a MASSIVE undertaking. I once wrote a program to make a submarine drive on to the screen, go to periscope depth, raise it's scope, lower it after a couple of seconds, go deep and drive off. The script ran 120 pages in Courier 10 font, and that was in monochrome graphics. In code that runs into the billions of lines per file, it's amazingly hard to find just what little piece of code is causing a conflict.
So what do we do? First of all, double check yourself before you complain. Undo what you did and do it again, slowly and carefully, just to be sure. Secondly, don't complain.... notify. Educate yourself. I know the expectation is that we can just hop on any computer or smartphone, navigate to our favorite web sites, and do what we want to do. But it's really not that simple. Any time you "Upgrade", understand that there may be compatibility issues for a while until all the makers of all the software out there figure out their tie-ins to the new system. Newer isn't always better in the computer world (Windows Vista, anyone?). Understand that while not being able to post photos on the MR Website may tick you off, the programmers at Microsoft may be trying to fix a much bigger issue that is unapparent to you (like a security hole), and it may take time. Similarly, while someone may be working diligently to try to solve the problem, the sheer volume of computer code simply takes time to sift through. Or it may be an issue with the software package MR is using to host the site. A lot of users and many companies can develop work arounds to avoid most problems before the real fix is implemented -- and yes, it's useful if these threads hang around so that users can educate themselves.
Bottom Line:
1) No complaints, no whining, only civil discussion and reporting
2) Patience, patience, patience (sure you can follow up on status, but be civil about it).
3) Double check your own habits
4) Educate yourself on known problems and issues, and find fixes as possible.
That said, a word from moderators and / or administrators from time to time that yes, the problem is known, and yes, someone is working on it, would help too.
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Great post CT, too often it isn't anyone's fault, it's just the environment.
When I find I have problems with a product, and am unhappy with the it's performance, I look for a replacement. It's very simple, and browsers are free.
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Guys,
The problem isn't user incompetence. Something recent about this web site is causing problems including the previously noted Tab Recovered issue as well as fatal message "Microsoft Internet Explorer has encountered a problem and needs to close" issue.
I use Internet Explorer version 8.0 (IE8) and never had problems until about 10 days ago. So, it is not the Compatability issue associated with IE9.
Apparently at least some of the forum administrators think we are overreacting, but there is a problem that is not being acknowledged. Too bad.
richhotrain Guys, The problem isn't user incompetence. Something recent about this web site is causing problems including the previously noted Tab Recovered issue as well as fatal message "Microsoft Internet Explorer has encountered a problem and needs to close" issue. I use Internet Explorer version 8.0 (IE8) and never had problems until about 10 days ago. So, it is not the Compatability issue associated with IE9. Apparently at least some of the forum administrators think we are overreacting, but there is a problem that is not being acknowledged. Too bad. Rich
Rich,
No one said user incompetence, or at least I didn't.
I said three things: one is the user's natural inclination to blame the system rather than himself if not always accurate. Two, the user is often unaware (if the term "ignorance" has negative connotations, I apologize and will gladly substitute another, because no negativity was implied) of potential problems and solutions. Three, I don't think the average user appreciates how complicated even an apparently simple problem really is to solve. Often, fixing one problem creates others, which then have to be addressed before the original fix can be implemented.
That said, yes, some of the posts I've seen would fit into my definition of "overreaction". The oft-heard cry of "how hard can this be?" clearly reflects a lack of knowledge about computer programming and functioning. In the 80's and 90's, I was an expert. I've long since been blown away by progress and am now barely a knowledgeable amateur.
Also, as I said, more communication from the other end (admins / moderators) acknowledging the existence of the problem and the status of a fix. Even to say, "we working" or better, "we have one technician working on it, but so far, no luck." would be preferable to silence.
I think there's room for improvement on both sides of the equation.
No prob, CT, but back to the issue. Something is wrong with the web site that is causing these problems. It happened to me again in the last 10 minutes as I posted a reply on another thread. The fatal 'Microsoft Internet Explorer has encountered a problem' message.
The problem is that modern software programing is like plumbing. The more pipes they keep adding to the system, the easier it is to stuff up the drains.
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No one said user incompetence. I am merely offering suggestions on how to clean up your computer and stop the problem.
Tab recovered problems do not necessaily mean anythign wrogn with the web site - particualrly sicne they haven't recently updated. It's more likely to be a corrupted file in you local cache that it keeps hitting when displaying a certain part of the site. IE sees that the content is the same as the last visit, so tries to retrieve it fromt he cacheinstead of downloading it - only the file int he cache is corrupt and crashes IE, forcing iot to reload the tab displaying this site.
I also poitnedout some other alternatives and potential causes. Given that I, a sample size of 1, have 3 different computers with 3 different OS versions and 3 different browsers and I can access this site perfectly well from all three of them tends to reinforce the idea tha tthe issue is NOT this site specifically. It may have to do with this site, but it's the way this site interacts with your personal system - which again is back to cache, cookies, temp files, and firewalls. Or maybe ISP.
Sorry, I have 4 combinations, forgot my laptop, which is Windows 7 but still IE8. It also is working fine. I could try my phone but it's a little tough typing. I've also had no problems from work, which is a different ISP than my normal Comcast at home.
I'm not trying to be trite or condescending, or disparage anyone's computer skills. But I've been doing this logn enough, both for work and as the 'computer guy' for the family, that 99.9% of the time there's a problem with 'some site', it's a local machine issue unless there are widespread problems such as a fault in the inteconnects between ISPs, which results in whole chunks of peopel in certain areas of the world not being able to access a site but other can, or the site is truly down, in which case no one can get on. It may APPEAR to be 'this site' because you cna go tto other sites without problems, but a corrupt cache or cookie file very likely will only affect a single site. Plus the mor eoften you visit a site, the more likely data from that site is to be in the cache, vs a site you may only visit once a week. Making it appear that there's an issue with a specific site.
I'm runnig XP with Fire Fox and am not experiencing any problems. But out of curiosity, I Googled tab recovered, and it appears a lot of people are experiencing this problem. Thing is, there are a bunch of different fixes for it. Good luck, guys. DJ.
mmmmm...I am still having no issues with this site...IE9, Opera, FF5, or Chrome....
I think it can be a combination of ISP and server issues....
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rrinker Tab recovered problems do not necessaily mean anythign wrogn with the web site - particualrly sicne they haven't recently updated. It's more likely to be a corrupted file in you local cache that it keeps hitting when displaying a certain part of the site. IE sees that the content is the same as the last visit, so tries to retrieve it fromt he cacheinstead of downloading it - only the file int he cache is corrupt and crashes IE, forcing iot to reload the tab displaying this site. --Randy
Sorry, I am not buying that. For one thing, I have my IE8 Internet Options set to clear my cache after each usage. Besides, why would a bunch of us suddenly have the same problem? Do we all have corrupt files in our cache all of a sudden?
The only time this happens is when I post a message, and it does not happen all the time. I am willing to wager, when all is said and done, that it will prove to be web site specific.
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That's the thing..if it was browser related then it would be affecting more than just this site...since it is apparently only affecting this site it must be site specific...I am wondering what the change was at their end..
Remember the infamous OOPS scenario froma few years back?
Could it be a replay of that scenario?
I am going to see if Refresh Page was unchecked whether I get the issue....
Nope...The thing with this set up is that I have YET to clear any cache from my chrome or IE8-9 browsers..it always posted fine here...
TA462 Rich, I agree with you. The guys that don't have an issue are blaming us but we didn't do anything. It's the website, something changed. I'm using IE8 as well and this is the only site were it's done what it's doing. Actually this is the first time I've ever seen any website act this way, and I've been on some "questionable" sites in my past if you know what I mean, LOLOL.
Rich, I agree with you. The guys that don't have an issue are blaming us but we didn't do anything. It's the website, something changed. I'm using IE8 as well and this is the only site were it's done what it's doing. Actually this is the first time I've ever seen any website act this way, and I've been on some "questionable" sites in my past if you know what I mean, LOLOL.
I am not associated with any party that blames any user for their issue...it is cross platform, it is cross OS's...it is cross a whole slew of other things...I am still suspecting ISP/server issues at their end....
blownout cylinder I am going to see if Refresh Page was unchecked whether I get the issue....
BC,
You cannot check or uncheck Refresh, it is only a clickable function each time you want to refresh.
blownout cylinder That's the thing..if it was browser related then it would be affecting more than just this site...since it is apparently only affecting this site it must be site specific...I am wondering what the change was at their end.. Remember the infamous OOPS scenario froma few years back? Could it be a replay of that scenario?
Let me toss an oar in here, not as a moderator, but just as a user. I don't know how they go about doing their ad popups specifically, but I'm certain that when you peel it all away it is with some combination of Javascript code. This whole thing started happening right around the time the ad popups began happening again. I suspect that somebody made a change to the javascript code related to the ad delivery-- or perhaps they changed ad providers (speculation on my part, not known fact)-- but whatever it was, suddenly the ads started re-appearing. If they changed the Javascript code then that means your browsers probably downloaded a new version of the code. Browsers generally DO cache javascript code. If something in there was different or messed-up, you *COULD* still be using the same version that caused you the problems, and it could still be causing you problems.
For folks that are running popup blockers or filtering to remove the ads, they probably only had the problem once or twice until they updated their blockers / filters / signatures / whatever and then that portion of the code was no longer being triggered, even if they still have it cached and are still using it.
So clearing your cache is NOT necessarily an idle act, it could prove to be quite therapeutic if you get a new / upgraded / different version of the javascript code that runs the ads. They *have* been fixed for folks now, right? (I don't get the ads myself, I run an ad-blocker. When the new popup started happening, I checked the URL, updated my blocking filter and it instantly went away).
It could be that the reason NEW people who are interested in helping to diagnose the problem are having trouble replicating the issue is that they were not using IE when it happened, or had a blocker, or whatever-- and NOW that they are trying to reproduce the problem, they can't because that version of the javascript code is no longer being served.
jwhitten Let me toss an oar in here, not as a moderator, but just as a user.
Let me toss an oar in here, not as a moderator, but just as a user.
Good for you for getting involved here.
For the first time, I got the Tab Recovered message when accessing the forum just now.
Up until now, that message only occurred when I posted.