How loyal to the Union Pacific are you?

[darth9x9]

I have to have some of Uncle Pete's car on my pike or it wouldn't be prototypic.

[Anonymous]

I don't think it's so much a matter of loyalty as much as it is what you like to model. I prefer western US and BIG steam and diesel. So naturally I run big boys and challengers for the UP. I also have UP F7's and a few UP freight cars and one passenger consist. I am considering a UP turbine and more freight cars, but have to expand the layout before I go much further. If the licensing costs a couple bucks extra, I won't have a problem. I also run ATSF passenger & freight, so if they have a licensing problem, I could be affected there also. Do I really care? No, almost all products today have licensed brand names and to boycott because of this would be IMHO non-productive. There are lots of reasons to boycott a product or company, such as poor employment practices, pollution of the enviornment, corrupt business practices (Enron) or just plain poor services or products. But to boycott just because of the brand name seems a waste of energy. If you don't like UP, don't buy it. I don't buy Pepsi Cola because I like Coca Cola better. But I don't boycott Pepsi because of their licensed trademark.

[tstage]

Loyal to the upper peninsula? Sorry, I live in Ohio and root for the Buckeyes!

On a less serious note. I'm only loyal to the New York Central - and look what happened to them...[:0]

Tom

[ValorStorm]

Regarding "Athearn and Lionel have said no to UP licensing fees," the truth is that UP has said "no" to Athearn and Lionel.

[blueriver]

Hi,
I am a big UP fan. I grew up around it and that is what I have always liked. I like the looks of other railroads but my first love of trains is the UP. It is unfortunate that there is a big stink about the logo and trademark lawsuits.
But I am still a fan and probably always will be.

blueriver

[Anonymous]

I'm not loyal to the modern UP company. But I do own quite a few locomotives with their name on it. I stand in admiration of UP in the '50s. BIG BOYS and CHALLENGERS are bomb!

[slotracer]

Remember folks, yellow can be one of the difficult colors to strip, but it can be done. Of course your locos will look far nicer in gray and red, or balck and orange, or green and black or whatever is your pleasure.

I have noted this before, but it would be an excellent idea to collect up what fallen flag decals sets you can, I'm sue many folks have high quality scanners and copiers, so these things can be reproduced out of the world of commerce. Folks can go on modeling the fallen flags and paint and decal like we all used to in the privacy of our own homes and it will never hit Uncle Pee's radar screen.

This happens all the time in the world of model car kits. Decals for taboo cars (Nascar beer and tobacco sposered cars are a classic example) get produced with no manufacurere name and show up in LHS's. They get bought up, copied and distributed amonst groups of friends. Preety hard for the jacka$$ lawyers to stop, let alone learn of or even trace that kind of activituy........who's to know if that painted and letterd unit is from bootleg decals, or if it was done using dsay microscale offerings you bouught and stockpiled a decade ago ?

[Anonymous]

If no more UP caars or engines were made it wont affect me. I model Conrail

[ckape]

I've never really cared for the Union Pacific either, so any licensing issues from them don't really affect me much, and it's not like their equipment would show up other than through interchange anyway, and I can easily tone that down to near zero.

The whole fallen flags bit does affect my CNW nostalgia, but I've been trying to stick to modern equipment anyway.

[Anonymous]

huber25.......Im with you all the way man,100%
[bow]BNSF[bow]

[Anonymous]

I don't like the UP.....never did and certainly never will. I don't like the fact that they destroyed all the neat railroads in my area (MP, MKT) and the SP. I don't care for their attitude and I really think they have their head up and locked about the licensing thing.

Never liked their steam power other than the FEF's either. I think the Pig Boy is grossly over rated.

I just hate the Yellow Horde! Remember........you asked!!

My 2¢
Roger

[vsmith]

The bigger issue between Athern and UP is the fallen flags issue, if Athern decides to stop producing UP what if they also stop producing all the myriad of other roadnames UP has aquired over the years? Thats an aweful lot of undecorated Blue Boxes!

Better learn to paint, guys!

Dan said it best, two companies acting stupidly. Mathamatic principles aside, two negatives don't equal any positives.

[twhite]

I own a few UP boxcars and gondolas. Of course I have a fleet of PFE reefers, but those were SP as much as UP (even WP, come to think of it). I don't have any UP steam locos on my roster, simply because I've never been partial to their looks. The only UP loco that ever remotely appealed to me was their 4-12-2's and God knows that I couldn't get one around my 36" radius curves, anyway. Since I don't model diesels at all, I couldn't say anything about their current roster, except that I always thought that Armour yellow and gray made a much more handsome PASSENGER paint scheme than freight. But that's my opinion. Of course, where I live in Northern California, UP now dominates, and that's another can of worms. But we're talking about models, not a prototype that uses the ex SP Donner Pass route as a parking lot while it dodges rockslides in the Feather River Canyon.

[Anonymous]

I model UP 40'-50's steam and putting decals on engines is easy
UP is doing what the law allows so be it I really do not care. I do care about Steve Lee and his team I do support them by going out to see any steam trip that makes its way down here.,I also purchase items from thier site.
I do not care about what the UP corp. is doing as in dead trains and late shipments or that business I am not a stock holder whoop t doo. Most of everything I am intersted in has been razed to the ground and melted down to make hubcaps.
Steam fan 100% diesels waste of time

[railman]

Don't stress out writing the worries of the UP...convert now and model the MILWAUKEE ROAD...orange and black beats yellow and gray any day. And yes, (before I open myself to a broadside from UP folk) I know that Milw. painted some passenger units in UP colors. Milwaukee is still better, though. That "other" paint sceme was made acceptable by the nice red letters that spelled out "THE MILWAUKEE ROAD" on them.

[Anonymous]

I have become so disenthralled by the actions of Union Pacific that I very nearly repainted every UP Piece of Rolling stock into GN, CB&Q, BN, or my freelance TV&C. But cooler heads prevailed. My Union Pacific items are going to be curtailed heavily and the only UP Items I see my self purchasing at anytime in the is made by Bowser and Revell-Monogram. (The tinkering craftsman inside needs an outlet) I still may repaint alot of my UP locomotives as they have no bearing on what I actually model and repainting them in my view is a much better way to dispose of a UP locomotive than selling it or outright trashing it. (Or giving it to that UP9899 fellow as he once suggested). I do have to admit there are about 6 UP locomotives in my collection that would be immune from the spray job treatment for the following reasons. First is that my Bachmann U33B and F9 A were the two locomotives that came in the train sets that got me started in the hobby. My Athearn DD40 and F7A were models that my dad custom painted for me. My Bachmann GP40 was the first locomotive I bought that didn't come in a trainset. and my UP 4-8-4 was the first "real" steam locomotive model I purchased. (The Spectrum Heavyweight train that goes with it will be immune as well) However I find poetic justice in the fact that my Supposed UP 4-8-4 Uses a Santa Fe boiler and a Southern Pacific Tender.

Now with my views communicated where is my mill file? I need a Bowser Challenger, a Kemtron Centipede tender, and fixin's to do a greyhound paint scheme.

[Anonymous]

That paint on those locomotives are so ugly that I "WILL NEVER" photograph any UP ever again! And the attacks on the model ind,is an ATTACK! I hope that the UP has a big huge Meltdown! Hell thay can't even keep the freight moving because that there in such bad shape.
"EVERY TIME I SEE UNION -PACIFIC................I THINK OF "GREED".

[lupo]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tip09

Screw the Union Pacific!

[#welcome] to the forum tip09

Now that is an interesting statement from a newbe [bow] can you elaborate on that? [:p]
these opinions is what makes these kind of topics so pleasant to read!

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L- [censored] - O

[Anonymous]

Screw the Union Pacific!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CNWfan5525

this is what i think *&^% UP! I am so sick of Up9899 $%^$& @$$ COMMENTS ABOUT HOW UP SHOULD BE THE ONLY ONE LEFT! JOEY TRUST ME YOU WILL GET SICK OF SEEING ONLY UP!there i got it out of my system

It's a wonder you didn't post that earlier....

[Big_Boy_4005]

I must say that it is always fun to see new interest in an old topic. It's kind of funny that for as little attachment to UP as I have, lately I have found myself taking a lot of photos of UP engines and trains. They actually look pretty cool. UP will be represented on my layout, because they are part of the big picture, though they aren't the main focus. Personally I would rather paint than pay. It's their attitude in this whole thing that bugs me the most.

On the other hand, seeing them up close makes a bit of a difference.

[trainfan1221]

A couple of cars. Nothing against UP, I just have no need for a UP painted engine currently.

[Anonymous]

No loyalty to UP at all. I just love model trains. Anything that runs will do.

[relucas]

I believe U.P. should be paying the model makers for wanting to put there logos on models. FREE advertising goes a long way. If model makers wanted to put my name on an engine I'd be happy as a kid in a candy store. If that big of a company needs the money that bad then I'm happy with my few engines and will not buy more. Cause it all comes down to one thing and one thing only MONEY! So for now N.S and CSX will be my biggest model interest.[:D]

[Hawks05]

i have nothing UP except some CNW stuff, a 2 hoppers is all i think. i'd like to buy a couple UP locos though, i really like the flags on the side. so if i can find a few like that i'll buy those.

when i first started in the hobby i hated UP because i heard how they were trying to have their stuff being licensed and all of that. but now that i'm into it a little more and i'm starting to take pictures of the trains i'm liking them more and more. mainly because thats all i see run through town. i've only ever seen a NS loco and a CSX once. and boy do i wish i had a camera then. especially the NS.

[Anonymous]

WHAT IS UNION PACIFIC??????????????? It sure give a lot of people something to yak about. Out of 2-300 cars that I own, I don't think that I've got a single UP car. I have a lot of Swift, Cudahy, Colo. Southern, and a slew of the older railroads. Most of my locos are for the "Almost Nothing" and I paid the licensing fee to be able to do that. If you don't like what UP is doing, stop buying their stuff. Money is what this country is about. (We were setteled so we could send riches back to Europe.) I wouldn't want to live anywhere else but if I see something that I don't like, I don't support it with my dollar. The only exception is my tax dollar and I have no control over that. It isn't going to matter to us what happens with UP, Athearn, and Lionel. If Athearn is put out of business someone else will step up to the plate. Central valley cars are no longer available (I thought I'd die when they went out), but their are more craftsman kits now, then their were in CV's hayday.

I think that all UP sites should have a mark or something in the subject line so we'd know what NOT to look at.

Have a blessed day and remember SANTA FE ALL THE WAY

Bob

[Junctionfan]

I don't particularly care on being loyal to the company. I'm not a major shareholder-just a modeler. I model CSX so it is need to use UP power and rollingstock but I'm not going to repaint them or anything. I don't particularly like E Hunter Harrison because I think he is a terrible CEO and an arrogant man but it does't mean I'm chucking my CN stuff. Eventually thease guys will kick off, retire or get canned so their stupidity is only temperary-modeling will live forever.

[Anonymous]

My loyalties are in this order
1)Santa Fe
2)SP
3)BN
4)UP last, and no, I'm not saving the best for last
Ch

[Anonymous]

Very loyal![:D]I was born In Seattle on the Overland route!But I am also a bit upset that Uncle Pete's lawyers are suing athearn[:(!]!I have two armour yellow Mo-Pacs and I luv EM!I also love the Rocky mountain UP predecessor Rio Grande!And on my layout in a stupid feat I am going to make the Rio Grande as big as the Espee!And the Espee will be bought out by the Grande in 1902!So In 1998 the STB aprooves the Merger between the Grande and the Union Pacific! And the Grandes only 3rd gen power will be GP60's,C44-9W's,and AC440CW's[:D]! [|)]but UP comes in a close second[:D]!Why did I Make the grande the way it is on my layout?I'm REALLY BAD at weathering Espees,and also I wan't the grande to also run the PFE reefer train! And plus I want the Mo-Pac and the Grande to own the Western Pacific 50/50! So when the UP aquires the MP I can run WP's all the up until the Grande merger[dinner] then it can eat the WHOLE WP at last[:D](makes woody woodpecker style laugh!).