The Coffee Shop (a place to chat) Est. 2004

[philnrunt]

Keeping sentences short
Teffy- Remember the P2K adds that looked like they were taken with
a fisheye type lens? Some of the best locos around, and they looked
horrible in the adds. And for a while, Kato adds had some unusual
color schemes, but only in the adds. In the store, they looked fine.
A good photog can make or break a model photo shoot, it's so easy
to make the best loco look like just what it is, a toy!
Ed- don't know when you'll see this, have a great time in Tampico!
And it's a bit disturbing that Horizon is blending the companies,
but if you say it runs well, I'll take that as gospel. I would'nt be
surprised to see the best models from MDC merged into
the Athearn line, and the less well tooled ones done away with.
Amyjo is fine now, but i have a chest cold. Looks like it's going
around, so keep healthy.

[egmurphy]

QUOTE: Brian: ...With my post on the last page I was being sarcastic.... I just forgot the [sarcastic] [/sarcastic] line in there.... sorry about that....

No problem. That's happenend to me too. It's all too easy to mistake the tone of an electronic post without being able to see or hear the person. That's why I'm such a fan of smilies!!! [:D]

QUOTE: (northern)Phil: Amyjo is fine now, but I have a chest cold.

Booo! [:(] You have just enough time to recover before Valentine's Day. When is the Savannah trip on for?


Later,

Ed

[grayfox1119]

Good morning Zoe......no customers this morning? I guess people are sleeping late today, up too late last night working on models and reading MRR. One hot coffee please.

It has been interesting reading the threads in the main section regarding code 100 vs. code 83. As I will be purchasing a lot of track soon for my layout, I am keenly interested in the pros and cons of each. It seems that code 100 is more common, easier to bend for curves, but not prototypical for many people who are switching to code 83. Also, it seems that there are more turnouts now being made for code 83 than code 100 from what people say, but I don't know if that is really accurate. Also, code 100 is cheaper. And, when installed and ballasted, can the eye really tell the difference without close examination? Certainly non-RR visitors to your layout will "never" know the difference, so it seems to me that this is a "purist" thing. Am I off target here guys? My setup will HO and DCC.

OK, time to get to work on the room, see at lunchtime....... by Zoe,

[JimRCGMO]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Paul W. Beverung


...<snip>...

Greg; Fergie is on a cutter that is designed for ice breaking as well as many other duties. It’s the Cornwallis and runs about 3,000 tons. There are two arm holes in the bow just above the water line and someone reaches out with a couple of ice picks and haves at it. OK. I saw that in a cartoon.

...<snip>...

I’ve found a problem with using Word to write posts. They get very long. So I’ll say good night.

...<snip>...

Paul, so long as they don't let Fergie solder onboard... [}:)]
And I don't think the problem is necessarily just Word ("The word processor you love to hate"...), but just as likely a certain amount of flakiness in the forum - I've noticed that 'couple of pages go wide, others wrap fine' deal before here.

By the way, nice calf, Paul.

Blessings,

Jim in Cape Girardeau

[Anonymous]

Good Morning All:

I'm going to try what Phil did and see if this post will be
easier to read. By Canadian standards it's going to be
hot here today 66 F.

The reason that this page is so wide (I think) is the links
that Jim put on don't have a break.

***:
I used code 83 because of the variety of switches that are
available. I don't have any trouble with any of my locos
running on the ties as all of them have RP25 wheel contures.
I like the code 83 and it isn't that much more then code 100
in price. Did you get Lynn Westcotts book on benchwork yet?
A friends layout is laid with code 70 and his track dissapears
into the ground scenery.

Talking to the LHS's in Houston (5 of them), code 83 sales
have outstripped code 100 sales for about 2 years now. When
Atlas went over to code 83, I figured they were onto the change
since they are the leader in track sales.

***:
Do you think they are called the New England Pats just so the
rest of New England would support them? Their's a lot of
greed in the NFL. When the super bowl was in Houston they
wanted to charter my bus for $900.00 a day and then charged
the companies $2400.00 for it.

Jim:
The MOW cars that Walthers had were origionally Silver
Streak and they are available on eBay for usually less
then $15.00 ea. They are a nice kit to build, probably
takes a few evenings per car. I built several of them a
looong time ago and they were enjoyable.

Ed:
You'd better have a comfortable chair when you get back
as we are proflic now and you'll have about 4 pages per
day to catch up on.

Well I've got to go to work

Ya'll have a blessed day and remember SANTA FE ALL THE WAY

bOB

[egmurphy]

QUOTE: Teffy: The reason that this page is so wide (I think) is the links
that Jim put on don't have a break.

exactamundo!

Teffy - did you get the email regarding the trip?

QUOTE: (CG)Jim: And I don't think the problem is necessarily just Word ("The word processor you love to hate"...), but just as likely a certain amount of flakiness in the forum - I've noticed that 'couple of pages go wide, others wrap fine' deal before here.

I think he meant that with the ease of writing the reply in Word he writes more (longer posts). It's just coincidence that it showed up on a wide page.

QUOTE: ***: And, when installed and ballasted, can the eye really tell the difference without close examination?

You ought to see some of the heated battles on the N scale forums regarding Code 80 vs Code 55. You'd think it was life and death. I'm with you, most people will never notice, especially after ballasting and maybe with a bit of rail painting. I think the difference may jump out at you more if you do a lot of photography, especially at low angles. That tends to emphasize the height of the rail.


If you're wondering what I'm doing posting instead of driving, I'm just waiting for my better half to get ready....... She takes a bit longer to select clothes to pack than I do, even for a one night trip!


Whoops, almost ready, here we go.........................

Hasta mañana,

Ed

[der5997]

Good Ash Wednesday to one and all: Zoe, I guess I'll have that black, and no sugar, thanks.
Greg:

QUOTE: John: How long have you been hiding that cake back there?

That would be since last Easter. I think that's before the Coffee Shop opened, so a little Twilight Zone music would be appropriate about now [:O][alien][alien]
***:

QUOTE: Luc, Der John, get ready, your next in Nova Scotia, bring the firewood in from the shed.

Yup, got it in yesterday after feeding Rosie-the-dog. The TV weatherguesser now is talking it up. If the low tracks as he thinks, it will pass directly between the mainland of NS and Cape Breton Island. In that event, we will have snow, and CB will have rain. All this to take place starting late Thursday into Friday.

QUOTE: And, when installed and ballasted, can the eye really tell the difference without close examination?

Especially if installed includes painting the rail. I'm just happy to have the N code 80 without the extra expense of code 55. The 55 is in shorter sections too. Less is more if you are the manufacturer, I guess![V]
Another advantage of using code 100 in HO is that you can then use the 83 for spurs and sidings, and the difference is noticeable. (yes you can do that with 83/70, but the ratio of 110-80 is nearly twice that of 83-70, and see what Bob says about the 70 disappearing!)
Better check the mail.
TTFN

[Anonymous]

Jim:

Here's a Silver Streak boom car on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=484&item=5954624591&rd=1

Bob

[grayfox1119]

Good afternoon guys, just came up for lunch. Got one Main "T" up in the ceiling. It takes time to get things leveled, and attached properly because they run for 25 feet 8 inches, and they come in 12 foor lengths. After the other 4 Main "T"'s are up, the rest should go fast as the cross "T's" just snap in between.

Ed and Bob, thanks for your inputs. I do see more code 83 switches available, and that was a concern to me also in this decision. I am more interested in "availability" down the road.

Ed, drive carefull, the southern jet stream seems very active down your way, lots of Pacific moisture, so watch out for slides on the roads.

Bob, the Patriots are truly a New England team. The people drive in from all 6 states for the games, and there are season ticket holders from all the states. And when they won the last two super bowl games, the owner, Kraft, and some of the players, toured the other states with the trophies. The Patriots also give money to various programs in the other states, and do a lot of good will stuff. I am not bragging when I say this, please believe me, this team from the owner down to the least player, are all class act people. The owner wants players who love the game, not themseves, and they stress "team" beyond anything I have ever seen in sports.
When I vacation up in the White Mountains of NH, about 40 miles from the Canadian border, all the pubs have the Patriots on Tv in the Fall and are really staunch followers, so it is very safe to say, they are truly a regional team.

I do not have Lynn Wescott's book yet, I hope to pick it up at the LHS soon.

Ok, time to get back downstairs to work, see ya later guys,

[Anonymous]

Hello all. Not much hap'nin with me.

Paul, no problem with the aspirin bill. Send it on down. And Paul, are you calling me a guru, or someone else?

TW100, that is a pretty calf. Will it be home-schooled, or will it go to cow-llege?[?]

Can I have a piece of King-Cake, please. Just don't give me the piece with a baby in it, ok.

TTFN

Robert

[JimRCGMO]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TEFFY


The reason that this page is so wide (I think) is the links
that Jim put on don't have a break.

[#oops] My bad. I've been used to email lists where the server forces line breaks. In the future, all of my link referrals will go via email. Sorry 'bout that, folks!

QUOTE:

Jim:
The MOW cars that Walthers had were origionally Silver
Streak and they are available on eBay for usually less
then $15.00 ea. They are a nice kit to build, probably
takes a few evenings per car. I built several of them a
looong time ago and they were enjoyable.

Bob, are those plastic, wood, mattboard or what construction? If you recall, 'cause I don't. I thought they looked like styrene or other plastic, but y'know how appearances can be.... [:)]

Thanks for the info. Got to go work.

Jim in Cape Girardeau

[der5997]

Looks like the Simnel's on me again. At this rate I'll have to ask Pat to whip up another batch[C=:-)]
Robert:

QUOTE: TW100, that is a pretty calf. Will it be home-schooled, or will it go to cow-llege?

Great groan!!! [(-D][(-D][(-D]

QUOTE: Can I have a piece of King-Cake, please. Just don't give me the piece with a baby in it, ok.

I think one just has to take one's chances[:D] Besides, it's plastic, and likely won't impact your dental plan![oops]
time for a hair cut, see you later.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by der5997

QUOTE: Originally posted by Robert: Can I have a piece of King-Cake, please. Just don't give me the piece with a baby in it, ok.

I think one just has to take one's chances[:D] Besides, it's plastic, and likely won't impact your dental plan!

der, I was just pulling your leg. I know it's a random chance of getting the baby in a piece. Plastic, you mean the babies plastic!? Huh, I always thought it was a real baby.[;)][:D]

Robert

[SilverSpike]

Good afternoon everyone! And Good Ash Wednesday to you too!

The Forum Police are back, so be careful with off topic posts in the “General Discussion” zone. They have been slamming my “Favorite Food Poll.” So I am going to try to be a good boy from now on.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Teffy
Ryan:
How big is your layout? How far along? Your close enought that Stephanie might come over for the day, of course we'd need an invtation first.

Bob,
The train room is 15 ½ by 14 ½ and I am still laying down new ceramic tile at this time. The layout design is in the planning stage at this time and is a G shape walk-in and around the room design. I am looking to begin benchwork building in early April. The only thing to see at this time is some exposed concrete slab and half a room of fre***ile!

QUOTE: Originally posted by der5997
Our neighbour who has travelled a bit in the US, but not to NO, was over yesterday. I asked her about King Cake, and she thought that it was the same as Simnel Cake. Now I've been to the Holiday site, I see that King Cake is basically a gussied up cinnamon Ring, while Simnel case is much more dense, and covered in marzipan (almond paste).It is served at Easter. A Simnel Cake would have 12 round balls of marzipan around the top edge, representing the 12 Apostles. Some times it's called Apostle Cake. Very yummy, whatever you call it! The King Cake with the "hidden" Christ Child is a much more Epiphany related thing. The colours are amazing! Simnel Cake is very plain by comparrison. Didn't know that Mardi Gras has a Season from Epiphany to Lent. Learn something new every day!

Jim,
King Cake is basically yeast dough bread baked then cooled, and covered with icing and colored sugar sprinkled (purple, green, and gold) on top. Then the plastic baby is put into the cake, representing the Christ child. The person who gets the piece with the baby has to bring the next King Cake. Many bakeries have different varieties, Le Madeleine Bakery has a European version that has the marzipan almond paste inside and is made with puff pastry dough, a little different.

QUOTE: [i]Originally posted by egmurphy[i]
Chili rellenos (stuffed chiles) for lunch. Fran made two types, the not too spicy stuffed Poblano peppers (think of a very dark green bell pepper), and her killer stuffed Jalapeños. Eating those can easily make it a three beer lunch.

Ed,
I love Chili rellenos! You are making my mouth water, and I just ate lunch too! Never had the stuffed Jalapenos type! On fire baby!

Gotta go for now!

Later,

Ryan

[Anonymous]

Good day.

We are having a nice day today, it will be a bit cooler tommorrow with a light dusting of [censored] s****. Gloria is resting for low.

I've downloaded the Firefox browzer, it seems to be working well and a bit faster. I'm using it as a secondary system, at least until I'm totally satisfied with it.

Got an e-mail from Fergie, sound like he is doing fine though he said he was bored!!

QUOTE: Originally posted by der5997

and do you like Malt Vinegar with those? (Yes Matt, there are other kinds, and you have to ask specifically for malt vinegar over here, and may not get it[V])

John - I thought that malt was the only kind!!![;)] BTW good dinner that was but I'm paying the price for it todat, blood sugar up 2 points from high norm. Thanks for the warning e-mail. This scam has been going on for quite a while.

Ed - We've had enough snow to last me 100 years.......[:(!]

Bob - Don't ru***he cleaning stuff on my account, I'm still building and the I have not started laying track yet.

treboR, gerG, epaC ni miJ - You gotta do what you gotta do!! [:D][:D][:D][:D]

Well must go for now

Luc

[bjdukert]

Hi all

***-I plan on using code 100,because I have quite a bit that I haven't used and I also have some of the old Rivorassia(sp) locos that don't have the RP25 flanges. I would like to change the drivers but I'm not sure if I can get any that will fit the axles. If anyone knows of a company that has drivers that will fit I would appreciate it. Also, the friend I have in Del. uses Code 83 and you can see some difference,but you have to look. It seems to me that the difference is in the width of the rail,but then that could just be the way it looks to me.
When you start to build your benchwork,I hope you have better luck with HD and straight lumber than I did,and Lowes wasn't any better.I had to go to another yard to find it. There is a second edition of Lynn Westcott's book as well,and both are good.

Luc-It's good to hear that your wife is doing better.

Anyone heard how Flip's wife is doing or did I miss it?

Ed-By the time you read this,you will have come back from your trip so I hope it is and was a good one.

Greg,Paul-You two talking about cattle,brings back a memory of when I was a kid,and there was a farm not too far from our house that had some Scottish cattle,or so I was told.They had long horns,I think almost as long as the Texas longhorns,and very long hair that hung down almost to the ground.

Talk to you later

Duke

[Anonymous]

afternoon everyone.... everything is going alright here.... Partly Cloudy out with Temps reaching near 70.... although there is a chance of some more rain coming our way come thursday evening through saturday.

Zoe - I'll take an A&W Rootbeer Float Please.

well I'm out for now.... have a good day everyone.

[Noah Hofrichter]

Well all, it SNOWED again today (good thing Fergies not around right now), which is as good as a few more cars on the layout. I did have to get up early though, so I’m tired right now. I don’t really have much to say today, so I think I’ll keep going, and I’ll see every one else later.

Noah

[grayfox1119]

Good evening everybody......it was mostly cloudy here today, temps in 40's, but we have a real nor'easter starting just after midnight. The weathermen are having a real rough time with this storm because the rain/snow line is still too hard for them to predict, and where it is ALL snow, 18 to 30 inches in some locations. [wow][:O] Hey Noah, wait till Fergie gets back in to port to see what will be in HIS yard from this storm!!

Duke, as I have not purchased any HO track yet, I will probably go with code 83, as there seems to be a better selection of switches.

Ryan, yep, just got back from 4pm service, have mine!!!

I smell spaghetti and meatballs...YEESSSSSS !!! More leftovers from the great super bowl party....Chow time!!!
[dinner][dinner][dinner]

[grayfox1119]

BTW guys, Biggie smalls is at it again, he reminds me of a young lad we had in our neighborhood when I was a young boy of 10. This lad would always go whack a hornets nest to see what would happen, and to stir up the bees. He got stung many times, but never did learn his lesson...tsk, tsk.[:(][:(][:(]

[tomwatkins]

Good Evenin' Everybody,
Today was another good day in the mountains. No railroading got done, but a bunch of little piddles are out of the way. Tomorrow the floor goes into the bathroom. Actually, it won't get finished until Friday. A friend of ours is coming over Friday morning to give me a hand pulling and reinstalling the toliet. I think I could do it by myself, but it will be nice to have help on that. It will be very nice to have this redo finished.

Saturday I've got to take Louise to a seminar in Gainesville. We'll need to leave before daylight and won't be back until after dark. Since she doesn't drive at night if it can be avoided, I'm the transportation dept. After I drop her off, I'm off to the train store in Duluth and the SE Railroad Museum for the day. Sounds like a fair deal to me. Louise gets a good class, and I get to go play trains.

Grayfox, When I was going to Mass, it was back in the mid '80s. I'd either fly into Boston or Providence, and spend the week in Mansfield, which is about halfway between the two. it was really pretty there, with very nice people. I enjoyed it. I'm using Atlas code 83 flextrack with Walthers code 83 turnouts. The Atlas track is very flexible and easy to use. I use .020 styrene shims under the ends of the turnouts to compensate for the thicker ties on the Atlas track. I'm very pleased with the combination. I've used a little Micro Engineering code 83 flextrack and found it much stiffer than the Atlas. It looks good, but in my opinion it's not easy to use.

Railroading Brit, your comments about Ypres and finding the cemetary were very interesting, and very touching. It reminded me of our Arlington National Cemetary. All such places are truly hallowed ground.

JimRCGMO, you might try Standard Hobby Supply in NJ for the Walthers turnouts. I've gotten good results from them in the past. Their website is www.standardhobby.com and their phone number is 800-223-1355. Another possibility is The Little Choo Choo Shop in Spencer, NC. They're primarily a LHS, but they do mail order and they have an excellent inventory. I got most of my Walthers turnouts from them.Their phone number is 800-334-choo, or 704-637-8717. I don't know if their 800# is nationwide or just regional.

Paul, Robert isn't the only one who's removed skin with a Surform tool. I've done it a good many times, usually when using it to remove the sharp edge from cork roadbed. It does sting, but probably not as much as a brad nailer. That couldn't have been any fun at all.

Grayfox, you're right. Some people just don't ever learn. Life's a lot more fun once you learn what's worth getting excited about and what isn't, though.

I'd better go for now.
Have a great evening everybody,
Tom

[der5997]

Robert

QUOTE: Plastic, you mean the babies plastic!? Huh, I always thought it was a real baby.

Now, Hannibal, what wine do you recommend with that?[}:)][(-D]
Ryan: Have things calmed down now in NO?

QUOTE: Le Madeleine Bakery has a European version that has the marzipan almond paste inside and is made with puff pastry dough, a little different.

Sounds excellent, care to ship some for Zoe to store?[:D]
Luc:

QUOTE: John - I thought that malt was the only kind!!!

Oh I wish[;)]
Duke

QUOTE: I also have some of the old Rivorassia(sp) locos that don't have the RP25 flanges. I would like to change the drivers but I'm not sure if I can get any that will fit the axles.

Of course, you could run the loco on sandpaper for as long as it takes to get a RP25 profile[:D] Seriously, have you asked North West Short Line?
***

QUOTE: The weathermen are having a real rough time with this storm because the rain/snow line is still too hard for them to predict, and where it is ALL snow, 18 to 30 inches in some locations.

Looks like we get some snow, changing to rain. The weatherguesser on our TV is not very excited about it. South West New Brunswick is due for the most snow @ maybe 4". We shall see.
Nearly time for "Chef" and "Last of the summer wine". Woodstove is on as it was getting a little chill. Cosy now. Good progress on the foam today, and a neat overhanging rock formation just sort of happened as I was carving this way and that. I love it when that happens[^]
TTFN

[fec153]

Hi coffee clubbers, make mine a TALL iced coffee with Kahlua.
Csx has parked about 3 miles of old hoppers,a few covered hops, dozens of bulkhead flats and even a coil car. Saw a few SBD's, NYC and Conrail.

Luc-Good to hear about Gloria. Getting out of the house is a great boost.

Ed- Did the picture of the club mascot go through?

O.K.- The trip to the liver dr.is off. Instead, this coming tuesday, the neurosurgeon that did Debs back is doing the first of two neck cuttings. First through the front of the throat and in 3 to 4 weeks thru the back of the neck. The openings which the nerves go thru are closing down on the nerves. Same problem she had with her lower back..
So back on prayer lists if ya'll don't mind. Love and marriage will drive us up the walls.
[banghead][banghead][banghead][2c].
As the song goes, Can't help lovin that gal.
Best regards to all-stay dry and warm,
Flip

[JimRCGMO]

QUOTE: Originally posted by brclem

afternoon everyone.... everything is going alright here.... Partly Cloudy out with Temps reaching near 70.... although there is a chance of some more rain coming our way come thursday evening through saturday.

Zoe - I'll take an A&W Rootbeer Float Please.

well I'm out for now.... have a good day everyone.

Brian, you just bought me a ticket down long-ago memory lane. Got me thinking of a nice warm, breezy summer afternoon in some friends' (of my parents) back yard, when I had my very first root beer float, with hand-dipped vanilla ice cream. Yummmm!![dinner] Zoe, I'll have one of those, also![:D][8D][:)][:P]

Jim in Cape Girardeau

[JimRCGMO]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tomwatkins


Saturday I've got to take Louise to a seminar in Gainesville. We'll need to leave before daylight and won't be back until after dark. Since she doesn't drive at night if it can be avoided, I'm the transportation dept. After I drop her off, I'm off to the train store in Duluth and the SE Railroad Museum for the day. Sounds like a fair deal to me. Louise gets a good class, and I get to go play trains.

Sounds fair to me, Tom! Do you get to bring anything back from the shop, too?[swg]

Tom, thanks for the tip on the shims, and for the info on Micro Engineering's track (I'd been wondering about them). Also thanks for the SHS info - I recall their ads in MRR and they've been in there for a long while. That's one of my other criteria in checking out places to buy from - are they visible and have been around a goodly while? I'll call Little Choo Choo, too (say that fast three times...)[;)]

Which reminds me - just one more thing that's great about this place: all the helpful people. [4:-)] Fergie with tips on soldering, [xx(] Robert with scenery and foam techniques, *** with the NE/NS weather reports (and Tim with the West coast reports), plus [dinner] Mitchell and many others with culinary tips[C=:-)], and Ed with the Southern agricultural report ![;)][:D] What a crew we have here, Zoe!

Blessings on your evenings, your health, and your CFO's,

Jim in Cape Girardeau

[JimRCGMO]

Hey, John, if you know (or figure out) how you did the overhanging rock thing, get some pics and post directions here. You might (hazards of Surform tools notwithstanding) just entice me into using foam after all...[;)]

Stay warm in the meantime, everyone among our northern neighbors (on both sides of the border). Does Fergie have a snow shovel with him on the ship, 'cause his might be buried with his car by the time he gets back to port.[:0][;)]

Jim in Cape Girardeau

[grayfox1119]

Good evening Tom, I see you at table number 3 with Zoe....mind if I sit a while, been on my feet all day hanging the suspended ceiling, my knees hurt!!

Thanks for info on Code 83 Tom, I plan to purchase a bunch of flex track when I visit my LHS in a couple of weeks. I will remember the shims too, things have changed so much since the early 70's when I had a simple setup for my three boys.

Your making excellent progress on your home project Tom, I have de-installed and re-installed about 5 toilet over my home owner lifespan.....crappy job[(-D][(-D]

Luc, Der John, now the storm has come more inland, Boston is going to get rain, and further west 50 miles where I live, we are now down from 18 inches to 4-8. Northern New England is going to get clobbered though now and then off into the Bay of Fundy..

Time for the sack, I was up very early today for PSA test , they check me every 6 months now instead of 3 to make sure the reading stays at 0, as it should. So I have had only 6 hours of sack time, getting tired.
See you all tomorrow,

[grayfox1119]

Ohhh no, I made the top of the page.......fuzzy navels all around Zoe !!!! The guys will sleep well tonight !!!
[zzz][zzz][zzz]

[JimRCGMO]

QUOTE: Originally posted by fec153

Hi coffee clubbers, make mine a TALL iced coffee with Kahlua.
Csx has parked about 3 miles of old hoppers,a few covered hops, dozens of bulkhead flats and even a coil car. Saw a few SBD's, NYC and Conrail.

...<snip>...

O.K.- The trip to the liver dr.is off. Instead, this coming tuesday, the neurosurgeon that did Debs back is doing the first of two neck cuttings. First through the front of the throat and in 3 to 4 weeks thru the back of the neck. The openings which the nerves go thru are closing down on the nerves. Same problem she had with her lower back..
So back on prayer lists if ya'll don't mind. Love and marriage will drive us up the walls.

...<snip>...

As the song goes, Can't help lovin that gal.
Best regards to all-stay dry and warm,
Flip

You have it, Flip. Sorry to hear about Deb's stuff, but will be praying the Dr. gets it corrected smoothly and quickly so she can recuperate fast.

Club mascot? Are you talking Tim's parrot, or some other varmit?[}:)][;)]
Inquiring minds want to know...

Blessings on your household,

Jim in Cape Girardeau

[Paul W. Beverung]

I Gang; Well I'm late tonight so I'll just say Have a Good One. I'll see you all tomorrow.

Paul