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Scale-ism
Posted by Dave Vollmer on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:18 AM

Brothers and sisters, I have a dream.  I have a dream that some day we will judge one another by the quality of our work, and not by the size of our trains.

The debate rages on about whether scale is a lifestyle choice or if we are born into it.  Some of us became unhappy in our scale and switched over, finally finding fulfillment in a new scale.  Others say that's unnatural, and an affront to decency.

People of the majority scale often treat the minority scales as a novelty.  From that viewpoint come hurtful stereotypes.  "N scale is for coffee tables."  "O scale is for Christmas trees."   "Z scale is for briefcases."

The minority scales must fight this repression!  Fight it not with sticks and stones, but with operating schemes, good scenery, and prototype fidelity!  Show them that while our trains may not be the same size, our hearts are!  We must show the majority scale that we are a force that will not be silenced!  We will not be kept off the pages of MR or excluded from the MR sweepstakes prizes!  WE SHALL OVERCOME!

Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]Big Smile [:D]

Oh well, lunch break over...  Now back to something serious.  Enjoy!

DISCLAIMER:  This thread is in no way meant to make light of any real social inequities, of any well-known speeches, or of any real person, living or dead.  Its intent is simply to make light of the issue of scale in model railroading from the context of a hypothetical struggle.  There.  Now my lawyer's happy!

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Posted by wjstix on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:27 AM

I was glad to see "Great Model Railroads" including a three-rail O scale layout, as a former "hi-railer" (running 1:48 scale equipment on three-rail track) I've never understood why there's such a huge divide between the two. I could have all scale figures, autos, freight cars, loco's, buildings etc., and running a fully-scenicked layout, but as soon as someone found out I used three-rail track they assumed I was a toy train collector with a layout with eight trains whizzing around in circles with crossbucks ten times scale size and a little man dumping milk cans onto a platform.

That being said, I have to admit when I was in O (I'm in HO now) it was fun at train shows to go over and tease the N-gaugers. "Oh, those little trains are just SO cute!!"

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Posted by hminky on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:33 AM

I am always offended that modeling the 1870's using OO scale on HO track doesn't get more coverage in MR. We are an active group in the hobby that should get more press.

 ROFLOL. People need to get a life, most "minority scales" have their own magazines.

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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:35 AM
 hminky wrote:
 

ROFLOL. People need to get a life, most "minority scales" have their own magazines.

 Harold

OKay, I'm guessing that my smiley faces didn't fully convey the completely tongue-in-cheek manner in which this was offered...Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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Posted by hminky on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:39 AM

I KNOW you were kidding, Dave, and so was I. I was just setting the tone for the 4th page of the thread.

SoapBox [soapbox]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:40 AM

Goody!  I'll go get my popcorn!!!Dunce [D)]

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Posted by mls1621 on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:42 AM

When I started my N scale layout, I was torn.  Would my friends accept me for who I am or look at my layout and make me an outcast?  It took some time before I came to terms with my scale and proudly proclaimed, "I'M IN N SCALE, I'M HERE, GET OVER IT".

Dave, I got it and thanks for the laugh. 

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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:43 AM
 mls1621 wrote:

When I started my N scale layout, I was torn.  Would my friends accept me for who I am or look at my layout and make me an outcast?  It look time before I came to terms with my scale and proudly proclaimed, "I'M IN N SCALE, I'M HERE, GET OVER IT".

Dave, I got it and thanks for the laugh. 

Thank you for coming out to us.  We N scalers are a proud bunch.  We are not ashamed!

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Posted by SilverSpike on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:45 AM

You know Dave you have a unique writing style! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Either taken as "tongue-in-cheek" or satire, your post is going to stir up some emotions, as do many of your thought provoking topics.

Typically though, when people say they are joking about something, I usually wonder how much of what they say is really to be taken lightly or seriously.

Anyway, I don't believe in scale-ism! Angel [angel]

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Posted by sfrailfan on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:49 AM

you guys are so funny! I'm into HO but I just suggested to my wife that I keep all my HO stuff at the club and model in N gauge at home to save space and get more RR per foot.

My home layout is in a 13x11 foot room, but I also have my home based graphic design studio in there. -2 desks, computer, printer, ect.

The look on my wife's face... NOW THAT WAS FUNNY!!!

 I really am trying to get that done! 

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Posted by sfrailfan on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:51 AM
oh yeah I forgot, I have one of those lamps with the magnifWhistling [:-^]ying glass built in!
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Posted by mls1621 on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:54 AM

This past Saturday my neighbor (a fellow N scaler) and I attended a party with a group of HO scale firends and were inducted into there Thursday night group.  It was a very formal affair, including the presentation of shirts with group logos.

We've been working on one of the groups new layout.  When asked how we like working with HO, I proudly commented, "I think this large scale stuff in great.  I've always thought garden railroads were cool".

They all got the sarcasm and we all had a good laugh.  Any scale is great.

By the way, I really do like garden layouts, the folliage looks so real.

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Posted by Railphotog on Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:58 AM

YES!  When will MR call 30" gauge narrow O scale modeling On30 and NOT On2-1/2?   

It's NOT TUNA HALF!!

 

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:01 PM

 Dave Vollmer wrote:
...

People of the majority scale often treat the minority scales as a novelty.  From that viewpoint come hurtful stereotypes.  "N scale is for coffee tables."  "O scale is for Christmas trees."   "Z scale is for briefcases."

...

And once again S scale gets left out.Blindfold [X-)]  Not even good enough to be a minority scale.Sigh [sigh]

 

The loneliness of the true minority scale.Disapprove [V]

 

We would rise up, but I can't find the other guy in S scale.Confused [%-)]

 

Laugh [(-D] Laugh [(-D] Laugh [(-D] Laugh [(-D]

Enjoy

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:02 PM

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Posted by Geared Steam on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:07 PM

Are trying to outdo the "Toast" thread Dave?  Big Smile [:D]

 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:10 PM
We hold these tracks to be self-evident, that all gauges are created equal, that they are endowed by their Modeller with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Steam, Diesel and the pursuit of Traction. - That to secure these rights, Train Clubs are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from AC, DC or DCC.

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Posted by on30francisco on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:13 PM
 Dave Vollmer wrote:

Brothers and sisters, I have a dream.  I have a dream that some day we will judge one another by the quality of our work, and not by the size of our trains.

The debate rages on about whether scale is a lifestyle choice or if we are born into it.  Some of us became unhappy in our scale and switched over, finally finding fulfillment in a new scale.  Others say that's unnatural, and an affront to decency.

People of the majority scale often treat the minority scales as a novelty.  From that viewpoint come hurtful stereotypes.  "N scale is for coffee tables."  "O scale is for Christmas trees."   "Z scale is for briefcases."

The minority scales must fight this repression!  Fight it not with sticks and stones, but with operating schemes, good scenery, and prototype fidelity!  Show them that while our trains may not be the same size, our hearts are!  We must show the majority scale that we are a force that will not be silenced!  We will not be kept off the pages of MR or excluded from the MR sweepstakes prizes!  WE SHALL OVERCOME!

Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]Big Smile [:D]

Oh well, lunch break over...  Now back to something serious.  Enjoy!

DISCLAIMER:  This thread is in no way meant to make light of any real social inequities, of any well-known speeches, or of any real person, living or dead.  Its intent is simply to make light of the issue of scale in model railroading from the context of a hypothetical struggle.  There.  Now my lawyer's happy!

I wholeheartedly agree. Since fewer products are available to us in the minority scales, we must improvise and use much more innovation than those who model in the most popular scales. This is an advantage to those of us who want truly unique models instead of relying on the same, ubiquitous, and overpriced ones seen on most layouts or pushed in ads. While my hat is off to those who want prototype fidelity, it is not for everyone. The minority scales allow a great deal of freedom for those of us who want to buck the current trends as well as others who feel more comfortable in staying the course. As far as gracing the covers and innards of Model Railroader, keep dreaming. MRs main mission is to show a profit. Since most people model in HO, that's the scale they and their advertisers will promote. Us renegades must turn to our specialty publications or the internet for in depth information.
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Posted by reklein on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:18 PM
None of this bothers ME. I'm secure in my HO-ism.
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Posted by Trynn_Allen2 on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:19 PM

I can't read my screen for tall the Root Beer on it.  Dave there should have been a warning about nose-spewing.

I'm not scalist, I hate all scales equally.  I only model HO because it's what I have always known.  When my brother got N scale I only shunned him a little bit, and when my uncle got into N scale I actually broke down and bought him an engine to remind him of his childhood home (two edged sword...sure it was for the Long Island RR but, would you want to be reminded of the Bronx?).  But I come before you all a poor miserable sinner asking...nay begging to be absolved, for I have seen the light.  The guiding light and it is the oncoming train and the end of the tunnel.

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Posted by sfrailfan on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:22 PM

 MisterBeasley wrote:
We hold these tracks to be self-evident, that all gauges are created equal, that they are endowed by their Modeller with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Steam, Diesel and the pursuit of Traction. - That to secure these rights, Train Clubs are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from AC, DC or DCC.

 

among Men 

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Posted by oleirish on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:23 PM

Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Dave;

AMANNNNNNNNN!! I have a real good collection of "HO" But I'am haveing more fun in "N"scale!

HUMMMM wonder if those HO trees will look ok in "N"

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Posted by Kenfolk on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:24 PM

 

Why is it always about the size? 

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Posted by reklein on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:28 PM
Its not about the size, its about the operation.
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Posted by sfrailfan on Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:29 PM
 Kenfolk wrote:

 

Why is it always about the size? 

Interesting question. My newer HO stuff runs smoother than almost any blue box I've repowered  with a mashima or sagami. The GP 38 and 40 run almost silently until about 70% power or so.

 anyway, how does N compare to HO in performance? I can now run my HO stuff slower than the protype can go if I want to.

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Posted by andrechapelon on Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:37 PM
 Dave Vollmer wrote:

Brothers and sisters, I have a dream.  I have a dream that some day we will judge one another by the quality of our work, and not by the size of our trains.

The debate rages on about whether scale is a lifestyle choice or if we are born into it.  Some of us became unhappy in our scale and switched over, finally finding fulfillment in a new scale.  Others say that's unnatural, and an affront to decency.

People of the majority scale often treat the minority scales as a novelty.  From that viewpoint come hurtful stereotypes.  "N scale is for coffee tables."  "O scale is for Christmas trees."   "Z scale is for briefcases."

The minority scales must fight this repression!  Fight it not with sticks and stones, but with operating schemes, good scenery, and prototype fidelity!  Show them that while our trains may not be the same size, our hearts are!  We must show the majority scale that we are a force that will not be silenced!  We will not be kept off the pages of MR or excluded from the MR sweepstakes prizes!  WE SHALL OVERCOME!

Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]Big Smile [:D]

Oh well, lunch break over...  Now back to something serious.  Enjoy!

DISCLAIMER:  This thread is in no way meant to make light of any real social inequities, of any well-known speeches, or of any real person, living or dead.  Its intent is simply to make light of the issue of scale in model railroading from the context of a hypothetical struggle.  There.  Now my lawyer's happy!

Funny you should mention it. The first thing that came to my mind was Randy Newman's "Short People" song from the 70's. Randy also wrote the theme for "Monk".

Below's a link to "Short People" lyrics. Just substitute the words "N Scalers" whenever the words "short people" appear.

http://tinyurl.com/ljndn

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Posted by easyaces on Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:20 PM
No offense taken Dave , and actually quite humorous! To each his own to whatever floats your boat, knocks your socks off, blows your skirt up, etc.!
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Posted by MisterBeasley on Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:42 PM

 easyaces wrote:
No offense taken Dave , and actually quite humorous! To each his own to whatever floats your boat, knocks your socks off, blows your skirt up, etc.!

Beware the wrath of HO-scale Scotsmen!

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Posted by MAbruce on Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:17 PM

We are the ‘Norg'. Your strength is irrelevant, resistance is futile. We wish to improve N-scale. We will add your modeling and scratch-building distinctiveness to our own. Your scale will adapt to service ours.  Prepare to be assimilated...

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:39 PM
 MAbruce wrote:

We are the ‘Norg'. Your strength is irrelevant, resistance is futile. We wish to improve N-scale. We will add your modeling and scratch-building distinctiveness to our own. Your scale will adapt to service ours.  Prepare to be assimilated...

Resistance is futile
Resistance is futile
Resistance is futile
Resistance is futile

 

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