DavidGSmith wrote:I changed from HO to On30 a few years back. most of the flack I get is that I like little tea kettle engines, in both Ho and On30.
I changed from HO to On30 a few years back. most of the flack I get is that I like little tea kettle engines, in both Ho and On30.
Tea kettle engines? You really need to check out Precision Scale/MMI's offerings. An On30 K36 will take the steam out of the tea kettle comments.
On30 is more than 15 inch radius curves and 6 foot boxcars.
I just spent all weekend puting sound into an HO scale engine. I can't even imagine working on N scale. Maybe we can do stuff in HO that's just not possible in N? Maybe when my headache goes away ...
Of course, I could fit twice the mainline on my benchwork...
Jim
hminky wrote:I KNOW you were kidding, Dave, and so was I. I was just setting the tone for the 4th page of the thread.Harold
I KNOW you were kidding, Dave, and so was I. I was just setting the tone for the 4th page of the thread.
Harold
wm3798 wrote: On30? HOn3? Sn2-1/2?Boy are YOU PEOPLE Narrow minded!Lee
On30? HOn3? Sn2-1/2?
Boy are YOU PEOPLE Narrow minded!
Lee
Vell, you couldt alvays built to Der Fuhrer's tree meter gauge. Noddink narrow dere, I don't tink.
Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - English 3'6" and 2'6" gauges, 1:80 scale)
reklein wrote:Actually I'm a recovering N-scaler. I've been free from N-scale for five years 1 mo. and 2 days now. I still attend meetings though.I found that admitting my obsession for N-scale allowed me to begin the process of healing. Moving away from my old haunts and associating only with HO people also helpd greatly.
I've seen relapses that aren't pretty. Cutting all of your locos and rolling stock in half with a bandsaw is a good indication that you've hit bottom again.
Nelson
Ex-Southern 385 Being Hoisted
Dave Vollmer wrote: Brothers and sisters, I have a dream. I have a dream that some day we will judge one another by the quality of our work, and not by the size of our trains.
The minority scales must fight this repression! Fight it not with sticks and stones, but with operating schemes .... and prototype fidelity!
Oh, wait, sorry. Guess I didn't help the cause with that statement, huh?
Regards
Ed
I am a "straight" HO scaler, though I have to admit that I "experimented" with S scale when I was 10 or 11 years old.
I have friends who are N scalers, but I don't think I would let my daughter date one......
You know, it's the natural order of things. The way God intended.....
Now where did I leave my stripped hat, I have to attend a rally.
We are burning some railroad ties later tonight.
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
Route of the Alpha Jets www.wmrywesternlines.net
tomikawaTT wrote:Has Gauge-ism replaced Scale-ism here???Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - 1067 and 762mm gauges)
Has Gauge-ism replaced Scale-ism here???
Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - 1067 and 762mm gauges)
Oth , now that could be right.
DavidGSmith wrote:I changed from HO to On30 a few years back. most of the flack I get is that I like little tea kettle engines, in both Ho and On30.Why is it On30? if 3 foot is On3 and 2 foot is On2? I think maybe MRR has it right. On21/2Dave
Why is it On30? if 3 foot is On3 and 2 foot is On2? I think maybe MRR has it right. On21/2
Actually, it is Tuna Half or Oth for short.
Enjoy
Paul
Dave Vollmer wrote: Brothers and sisters, I have a dream. I have a dream that some day we will judge one another by the quality of our work, and not by the size of our trains.The debate rages on about whether scale is a lifestyle choice or if we are born into it. Some of us became unhappy in our scale and switched over, finally finding fulfillment in a new scale. Others say that's unnatural, and an affront to decency.People of the majority scale often treat the minority scales as a novelty. From that viewpoint come hurtful stereotypes. "N scale is for coffee tables." "O scale is for Christmas trees." "Z scale is for briefcases."The minority scales must fight this repression! Fight it not with sticks and stones, but with operating schemes, good scenery, and prototype fidelity! Show them that while our trains may not be the same size, our hearts are! We must show the majority scale that we are a force that will not be silenced! We will not be kept off the pages of MR or excluded from the MR sweepstakes prizes! WE SHALL OVERCOME!Oh well, lunch break over... Now back to something serious. Enjoy!DISCLAIMER: This thread is in no way meant to make light of any real social inequities, of any well-known speeches, or of any real person, living or dead. Its intent is simply to make light of the issue of scale in model railroading from the context of a hypothetical struggle. There. Now my lawyer's happy!
Brothers and sisters, I have a dream. I have a dream that some day we will judge one another by the quality of our work, and not by the size of our trains.
The debate rages on about whether scale is a lifestyle choice or if we are born into it. Some of us became unhappy in our scale and switched over, finally finding fulfillment in a new scale. Others say that's unnatural, and an affront to decency.
People of the majority scale often treat the minority scales as a novelty. From that viewpoint come hurtful stereotypes. "N scale is for coffee tables." "O scale is for Christmas trees." "Z scale is for briefcases."
The minority scales must fight this repression! Fight it not with sticks and stones, but with operating schemes, good scenery, and prototype fidelity! Show them that while our trains may not be the same size, our hearts are! We must show the majority scale that we are a force that will not be silenced! We will not be kept off the pages of MR or excluded from the MR sweepstakes prizes! WE SHALL OVERCOME!
Oh well, lunch break over... Now back to something serious. Enjoy!
DISCLAIMER: This thread is in no way meant to make light of any real social inequities, of any well-known speeches, or of any real person, living or dead. Its intent is simply to make light of the issue of scale in model railroading from the context of a hypothetical struggle. There. Now my lawyer's happy!
Did you have one too many cups of coffee this morning Dave??????
loathar wrote:If Jerry Ryan's helping on the layout, count me in! I don't care what scale it is!
No wonder why the Borg seemed to go out of their way to get her back in the collective!
On a more serious note, I think those who practice 'Scale-ism' are probably not spending enough time with their trains. It's a hobby folks - enjoy it!
Just be glad you don't have to press "2" for English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ_ALEdDUB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hqFS1GZL4s
http://s73.photobucket.com/user/steemtrayn/media/MovingcoalontheDCM.mp4.html?sort=3&o=27
This thread does conjure images of trains of all scales joining couplers and humming "We Are the World," and "Kum Ba Yah" while swaying in unison on rocky trackwork.
IRONROOSTER wrote:And once again S scale gets left out. Not even good enough to be a minority scale.The loneliness of the true minority scale. We would rise up, but I can't find the other guy in S scale.
The loneliness of the true minority scale.
We would rise up, but I can't find the other guy in S scale.
You're right, Paul, S is the true minority scale. N-scalers don't know what oppression is. Fight the power.
I model in HO, but I will admit I have lusted after N in my heart! :)
Eric
I wish I was a headlight
On a northbound train
Um, Dave I think your gonna open a can of worms on this subject! But! It does have some just to it, the older people here remember the dark days of "N" scale when it almost vanished. It has takens years for it to recover from those times.
I myself prefer HO, do I dislike N? No I don't. Do I prefer N for me? No I don't. Do I make fun of other N MR's? No I don't. I like my scale because of it size. I do have some N track, cars engines and a few buildings. But! the little buggers just won't work for me because of my large fingers! "N" scale takes a type of person that has better eye site than me also, I can see just fine, its just to small though for me.
I have seen some well built N layouts that captured everything in the scene perfect, these are just as good as any other highly detailed layout big or small. Does N have less products to choose from? Yes they do! So this makes it more difficult for the N modeler to find what he is looking for.
All in all N is just as good as the other scales in my eyes,But! Thats me thoough!
All scales are created equal. Some are just more equal than others. That said I model in H0, N, and Z.
p.
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I'm not so concerned about the scale I model, as I am about my mother-in-law referring to my layout as a "choo choo train."
Wayne
Modeling HO Freelance Logging Railroad.
Trynn_Allen2 wrote: tomikawaTT wrote: Railphotog wrote: YES! When will MR call 30" gauge narrow O scale modeling On30 and NOT On2-1/2? It's NOT TUNA HALF!!No, indeedy. It's On762!Or (fillintheblank)762. Or, best of all, 762 followed by mm, with no prefix at all.The one I liked best (and am planning to incorporate into my twice-N layout once I build out to visible track) hauled cedar logs, not tuna. Not many tuna in the mountains of Central Japan, and those few that are there got there in JNR reefers.As for scale, I like 'em all - but I model what I already have and can afford. Let's hear it for 1:80.Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)Well that depends really. Whats the velocity of tuna flung from the claws of Godzilla as he takes down Tokoyo or Osaka. The other possiblity is a rain of fish and a third, which is by far more problematic...which is a tsunami.
tomikawaTT wrote: Railphotog wrote: YES! When will MR call 30" gauge narrow O scale modeling On30 and NOT On2-1/2? It's NOT TUNA HALF!!No, indeedy. It's On762!Or (fillintheblank)762. Or, best of all, 762 followed by mm, with no prefix at all.The one I liked best (and am planning to incorporate into my twice-N layout once I build out to visible track) hauled cedar logs, not tuna. Not many tuna in the mountains of Central Japan, and those few that are there got there in JNR reefers.As for scale, I like 'em all - but I model what I already have and can afford. Let's hear it for 1:80.Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
Railphotog wrote: YES! When will MR call 30" gauge narrow O scale modeling On30 and NOT On2-1/2? It's NOT TUNA HALF!!
YES! When will MR call 30" gauge narrow O scale modeling On30 and NOT On2-1/2?
It's NOT TUNA HALF!!
No, indeedy. It's On762!
Or (fillintheblank)762. Or, best of all, 762 followed by mm, with no prefix at all.
The one I liked best (and am planning to incorporate into my twice-N layout once I build out to visible track) hauled cedar logs, not tuna. Not many tuna in the mountains of Central Japan, and those few that are there got there in JNR reefers.
As for scale, I like 'em all - but I model what I already have and can afford. Let's hear it for 1:80.
Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
Well that depends really. Whats the velocity of tuna flung from the claws of Godzilla as he takes down Tokoyo or Osaka. The other possiblity is a rain of fish and a third, which is by far more problematic...which is a tsunami.
To address your concerns (not mine ) in order:
The key is, I'm modeling a real location which I have visited, simulating train consists I've seen, operating to a real timetable which I can hold in my hot little hands. My dream world has no space in it for movie monsters or supremely improbable natural events. If the sushi chef at the local seafood restaurant wants maguro (tuna,) he orders it from the main fish market in Nagoya and it arrives a few hours later behind a JNR 2-8-2. It doesn't fall out of the sky, with or without a parachute [although today (43.3 years after my time), it might be delivered by helicopter.]
Chuck (modeling the reality of Central Japan in September, 1964)