pastorbob wrote: Since you have the same message posted on Atlas, although without the **** comments, I wonder what point you are trying to make? Between Atlas and this forum you have around 100 replies, including mine on Atlas, but what is the point? You have certainly stirred a lot of people up which has pointed out a lot of hostility toward family members and friends by several people, but what is the point you are trying to make?Bob
Bob
I think he wants to know who here has family members who dont like your hobby.
That's just a guess on my part, however.
Bill Tidler Jr.
Near a cornfield in Indiana...
pastorbob wrote:Since you have the same message posted on Atlas, although without the **** comments, I wonder what point you are trying to make? Between Atlas and this forum you have around 100 replies, including mine on Atlas, but what is the point? You have certainly stirred a lot of people up which has pointed out a lot of hostility toward family members and friends by several people, but what is the point you are trying to make?Bob
Since you have the same message posted on Atlas, although without the **** comments, I wonder what point you are trying to make? Between Atlas and this forum you have around 100 replies, including mine on Atlas, but what is the point? You have certainly stirred a lot of people up which has pointed out a lot of hostility toward family members and friends by several people, but what is the point you are trying to make?
duh!
My in-laws think of me as a mild case. My wife's brothers are live-steamers (back yard 1 1/2 inch scale railroad and all). They figure I'm normal and they're nuts.
Phil, I'm not a rocket scientist; they are my students.
shayfan84325 wrote:My in-laws think of me as a mild case. My wife's brothers are live-steamers (back yard 1 1/2 inch scale railroad and all). They figure I'm normal and they're nuts.
Well, i'm 37 been married for 17 yrs. My son is 16 , neither have an interest in trains but fully support my interest. My son is hardcore baseball , but so am i, so that's "our thing" we do together.
Jason, the first thing that i would clear up is, if dad has a " problem" with me , then he needs to take it up with me, not my wife.
Ok well obviously this has struck a nerve in some of you guys. That’s good I feel better that I am not the only one with a problem like this. I did not figure I was the only one that would just be crazy.
First off let me say thanks to you my other fellow veterans. And lets keep Hilary and the terrorist Binladin out of office.
Secondly thanks everyone for the responses. I do not come to the forums everyday nor every month. I do on the occasion research mission or just to see what’s new.........I am dieing for the inside scoop on the Intermountain U18 and where and why I don’t have one yet from them. ANY RATE!
Thirdly I apologize for the F-Bomb; even thought I blanked them all out. I was frustrated and that’s just the way it came out.
The good Pastor asked what my point was. Well to quote a few…”DUH” I posted on both sites because as I mentioned I do not hit the forums much. I am impressed with the support I got and did not figure I would have gotten so many responces. So I posted on two groups. I would have loved to responded to everyone’s comments cause they all had points of interest. After all I have a railroad to build and I am not going to set here all night typing. So I have a few responses that I took not of and a few things to possibly clear up.
I do this hobby to relieve the stress of work. Work is not really that stressful for me It is more amusing. I simply can not tell an normal story anymore. I model railroad because it is my own perfect world. Perfect that all trucks are over taxed and trains are ever profiting. I have State Police cars on the layout. And even plan on having one of my favorite dive bars I catch DUI s out of on the layout.
When I go to my club which I have been a member of for 4 1/2 years now I am just Jason. I laid the rules down when I joined. 1) don’t treat me any different, don’t be intimidated by my profession 2) I am just here to talk trains and play trains 3) don’t talk shop to me unless you got a real problem and then I will just tell you I cant provide legal advise. And it worked. Yes I still tell stories and I am not as closed up about my job as the rules sound. It works and have a great time with my club and division.
On the subject of how my train obsession went over at work. At first I kept it quiet. Except for asking for days off to go to Timonium, Md. and a few other train events. Then one day a Sergeant called me to his office and said Jason shut the door. I was like “oh great” he opened a catalog up and said I want to order a train for my son. I here you are the “train guy” I chuckled and by the end of the conversation I ran to my truck and gave him the recent Walthers Sales flyer. Now nearly the whole station knows and has seen the layout. I have 100% support from them and some envy.
On the subject of my kids. They don’t get neglected and my wife would and has pulled the reins a few times and pulled my head out of the Alco dust. They are 4 and 6. A boy and girl. My boy who is 5 tells other kids we don’t play trains we operate them and they don’t go fast. He even does this with his GEO Trax. Other than he has the typical obsession with passenger trains. I told him they don’t make money hauling people. He responded by advising me he will have a railroad that will make lots of money hauling passengers and freight. I don’t want them to become kids who sit on their rears and play video games. I want them to know what things do and how they work.
Other things around the house and in my relations with my wife do not get neglected. Again I occasionally have to get pulled out of the Alco dust but I do what needs done be it a week project or and hour long project. Then its back to the trains. I don’t drink anymore like in the USAF. I party, at my division Christmas party, and club Christmas party, and have had more fun at them than any get-togethers I ever been too. Oh and I remember them!
Now to my father. I don’t know what I am going to do. As many of you mentioned I am not going to tell him where the door is and keep him from my kids. That I guess was the point and just exactly what I want to avoid. I guess threw this I learned I need to level with him and yes tell him to back off. I did this after 2 years of non productive college. I signed up for the USAF. I told him to shove it after a bit of his bitching, and that he needs to get it out now cause I was leaving in a few months.
He is bored. My wife and I think he had dreams that everyone was going to have a job for him to do when he got done working. Ya I probably should pull my work related mentality out and use it a little on him. Its hard, its my Dad. He came from a big family and as one guy on here said his generation was work work work. Yes it was. He did 12 hours at GE and then came home a cut firewood or remodeled the house or worked on his vehicles. He always told me not to work in a shop. He never had time to work in a hobby. But he provided me the time to work on mine. He bought me the trains set up my 4x8 for me in the basement and bought me a lot of other stuff.
I got snuck into GE a few times and not many kids can say the blew the horn on a Santa Fe U30-C in the test booth at GE. I can! My first car was NS Black.....Yes real NS black paint. I have nose emblems from UP, BNSF, and CSX on my wall. The engineering and paint plans from a UP EVO. And last summer during GE’s open house I got the 37 yr veteran tour by him. Anyone here been in there paint booth talking to the painter as he is pulling the tape off a brand new BNSF EVO? It was like being in the box of a Tower 55 model.
My wife of 18 years recently came to me in tears, she wanted to know why I got up a few hours early for work and stayed up on the computer or out in my other building on the property after she went to bed.
She asked if there was something that other women have that she don't (I never neglect our "romantic" time together or our marriage) so this statement took me by surprise.
She then asked If I were getting bored with our marriage," absolutely not" was my honest reply so she broke down and asked if I was addicted to porn, porn of all things, hell I've never even owned a play boy growing up or as an adult, finally I could not take seeing her upset and pried it out of her, yes on the surface I believe that my actions in the early morning and late hours of the evening my look strange to the outsider.
I tried my hardest not to laugh or even smile because I didn't want to minimize her very real concern and pain as I listened to her out line all my strange behavior over the last few months.
When she was done and obviously emotionally drained, I sat her at my computer (we have our own) and let her open my favorites, there she looked confused at first, there were a few dozen links to model rail roading, and eBay and this site, she seemed to relax as she clicked on a few links to see what I was doing with my alone time, and as it hit her she looked up and said, "does this have anything to do with your late nights out in your shop"?
I told her I'd take her out there in the morning which I did, she opened the door to see a very large piece of ply wood construction going on, she asked what it was and I explained that it was a copular to go onto the roof of my 12'X50' office trailer that I'm converting to look like a caboose that will house my HO train lay outs that I plan to build to relieve the stress of my job (I'm a heavy trauma EMT) as she looked at the plans on the wall, the supplies of grass, sand and pebbles she once again had tears in her eyes...."What now" I thought to myself as I held her in my arms.
"All this time I thought you were going behind my back checking out other woman or even chatting with them on line and instead you were building train stuff", "Oh my God" she said as she looked up at me with a strange look on her face, "I've got to call my two girl friends who were trying to help me prepare for the worst"....Now I had to laugh out loud but it was OK at this point.
As she headed out the door to go to the phone in the main house she said over her shoulder, "They kept telling me that your not the cheating type and I should have listened".
As I stood there looking over my not so secret project it dawned on me that some times I may be so focused on something that I miss the big picture.
So to answer the question here, my wife didn't like what I was doing because she didn't know what I was doing.
We later talked more on this subject and she said how relieved she was and that she thought what she had seen so far with my lay out progress was a great way to leave the stress of my job at work when I came home.
I came home from one shift last week and she was not in the main house but out in my shop, I went in to find her with pictures of houses cut out of magazines and she sheepishly asked, "Do you think you could build me two of these to put on your lay out", and instead of saying, "Honey those will not go with what I'm planning" I said, "Sure my Dear and I went and showed her a picture of a hot pink caboose that I was bidding on at eBay just for her", with that she said, "What, I'm not worth a whole train".....LOL!
So now I'm looking at getting her a train of her own which I'll custom paint to her liking and she can decorate it any way she wants.
Now when she sees that I come home stressed I no longer have to wait till after she has gone to bed, she tells me to go spend some time in my shop......Ahhhh, sometimes it pays to be open about our hobbies, and like your self, working on the house, yard and my marriage always come first.
PS.
I think most cops I work with at accident scenes should find such a relaxing hobby as Model Rail roading.
And thanks for serving your community, you guys have a tough job to do.
Jess Red Horse, Tribal Member of the Northern Blackfeet Nation.
northernsubpcrr:
After reading your last rambling expression of attitude, I suspect that your family problems have little to do with your train hobby.
A single post contained:
1 A totaly unrelated Fox News bumper sticker irrationally bashing a presidential candidate.
2 A rude comment about another poster's question. ("the good pastor")
3 A description about "laying down the rules" at your club.
4 An assumption that people are supposed to be intimidated by your profession.
5 A description of telling your father to "shove it".
I hope for the sake of the people in your patrol area that you are just having a bad day, and that that is not your normal attitude.
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
My father was constantly going on about my "dust collectors" and how much money I was spending on them. He simply couldn't see the point of my model collection. Of course this is the same guy, who once had a dead MGB GT rotting away in his garage...which later joined my collection, but that's another story. And yes, I couldn't resist pointing out that bit of irony :p
But seriously. I don't get models all the time, nor do I pay silly money for them. As long as my bills (car, mortgage, etc.) are paid, it's nobody's business what I use some of the leftover cash for. Since I work in a busy, noisy office, building models is how I relax. There's nothing like working hard all day, then coming home and disappearing into my own little world for awhile :)
Ok there Phoebe.......My arent we a little bit soft.
1. If you where to read any of the post on here in this thread there where many mentions of thanks torward me and my fellow vetrans. I simply returned the thank you to my fellow vetrans. If you arent a vetran you just simply will never understand this.
2. Bashing the two potential presidential canadates first off was done all in good humor. But hey if you want to fight off the enemy in our back yard you vote for who you want. Just remember your Kerry didn't make it with his lies. Say hello to Hanoi Jane too!
3. Laying down the rules was simply how I explained it to everyone during friendly conversation. Again it was and is accepted by my freinds at my club. I did not hold them at gun point or threatened them in any manner to abide by my rules. We are all model railroaders when we are at the club and we are all off what ever normal dutys we conduct out side the club room. Get off your computer and join a club and you will see what I am talking about.
4. It is not an assumption people are intimidated by my profession. It is generally a fact. Again a subject that if you simply aren't a member of the Law Enforcement comunity you will simply never understand. Generaly peoples demenor change at first till they reliaze I am off duty and could care less what goes on. Oh and that I am a pretty layed back guy with a great sence of humor. But my freinds at the club have all said at one time or another they would look at me diferently if I was seen at work.
5. The "shove it" coment. Well again if you read any of this thread you would have seen that many people sugest this was what I should do over my trains. Back when I joined the Air Force I was young and eager to get out of the house and live under my set of rules no matter what the cost. Again since you more than likely never served your country you could never understand this feeling.
Mr. Phoebe you are simply a meak little sheep in this society which is just lying in wait for a wolf to victimize you. It appears you read the end of the story before finding out what the story is about and then make assumptions as to what happened along the way. God help this country!
Wrong again:
I am a Viet Nam era veteran. In fact, I was an electronics technician in the Navy, where I worked at NSA.
I am a retired State Police Lieutenant and have seen the type of police officer who believes that his presence either does, or should, intimidate people. If you are doing your job properly, you will be respected, not intimidating or feared.
From my training in both jobs, I know that you do not, and have never needed a warrant to listen to communications off shore. What do you think the USS Liberty and USS Pueblo were doing? But you DO need a warrant to wiretap domestically. To tap a domestic communication without a warrant is a felony.
I am fed up with people using the minor threat of terrorism to justify the virtual shredding of the constitution, and to paint political opponents as dangerous. You stand a greater chance of getting struck by lightning than of being killed by a terrorist.
I find it odd that a police officer considers a person who is not intimidated by a minor threat to be a "meak little sheep" (Incidentally, you misspelled it. It's meek.) while demonstrating his own personal courage by claiming people who believe in peace and liberty are a threat to our very existence.
Your pride in telling a parent to "shove it" is self explanatory.
Sawyer Berry
Clemson University c/o 2018
Building a protolanced industrial park layout
reklein wrote: Guys,its his DAD who doesn't approve.Its not like telling some acquaintance where the door is. This could destroy an otherwise normal relationship,or indicate some deeper seated trouble that needs to be aired.
Guys,its his DAD who doesn't approve.Its not like telling some acquaintance where the door is. This could destroy an otherwise normal relationship,or indicate some deeper seated trouble that needs to be aired.
r:
Yeah, but remember, parents who can't let go can also destroy an otherwise normal relationship between husband and wife. From here, it looks like Dad is a good man who now has a lot of free time and a tendency to mind his childrens' business for them...and believe me, this is totally what I am going to do at that age.
When you get married, you've got a family of your own, and sometimes it's hard for parents to get used to that. I'm not saying we should shut our minds to advice, and I'm certainly not saying that grandma & grandpa don't have a lot to offer. We need all the help we can get.
But grandma and grandpa need to remember that we can't let them run things, no more than they could let their own parents run things. That only causes everybody grief.
I was raised in a traditional Native American Family and I could never even think of disobeying an Elder, or ignoring them for that fact, that is unheard of in our family as all our Elders have a lot of wisdom and years between them, we do not feel subservient to them, we honor them because they earned that right by their actions and love for us.
My Elders do wonder what my attraction to model trains are and I told them, simply it is fun to create a world of my own choice and they shake their heads but each one of them has a favorite train car of mine that they will pick up and check out when they come by, some have even made suggestions about what they would like too see on my layout and I take every suggestion very seriously.
Now as far as police go, I work side by side with many on accident scenes (I'm an EMT) and I find 99% of the officers that I've had dealings with are human just like me, they have feelings and families and they are not super men and women, they just choose to do a tough job.
The officers from the Sheriffs Dept, State Police, High Way patrol, and local cops are effected by the gore and carnage they see on accident scenes, and they often ask how in the world I can do what I do for a living, they think my job is hard and I think they are the ones who need to take up a relaxing hobby more than most (Like model rail roading)..
As for Veterans, I always take the time to honor my patients who have served their country, and they always appreciate it, when I have a vet in the back and he or she is stable I always ask where and when they served, and I truly listen, I see far too many young EMTs that treat every patient like a body only, they could care less what the person did with their lives, such a shame.
So yes I read the reply from the officer here and he did have a sharp edge to his post but I would bet you that if YOUR life were in danger this man would be the first to put himself between you and the bad people, they have earned the respect from me, they are true heroes, they do things that others wouldn't think of in the line of duty.
To all Veterans and Officers here alike...Thank you.
This thread seemed to take off in a strange direction, the topic was "Who here have family members who don't like their hobby", not who here has a problem with law enforcement, that could be a whole other thread, but I prefer to focus on the good that people do and not the negative.
Just my two cents, now get back on track with this thread...PLEASE!!!!
To the OP...wow.
Im not sure your dad is the only one with problems. People are "intimidated" by you? This seems to be something you enjoy. I am a teacher and quite happy that no one finds me intimidating.
You may want to take a step back, re-read some of your own posts, and take an objective look at how most of that sounds to people "outside your community". Dosent look as good as i think you intended it to.