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Posted by WCfan on Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:11 PM

I'll have to check them out. This is going to be a big project. The hood sections aren't exact. So if I can find some one that makes long hood hood sections that'd be great.

Alex, mwahahahahahahaha.

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Posted by Railfan Alex on Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:15 PM
Yeah....what can you do. A kitbash might be better than working in resin. One dent or too much pressure with your #11 and you're skrewed. Of course, that's what modeling putty is for. Resin is still a good amount of work.

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Posted by WCfan on Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:20 PM

Grrrr, I really would like a SDL39, but it's a lot of work. But I would feel a lot more accomplished if I kit bashed it. I can figure it out. Just need some hood sections, and other parts. And I thought the trucks would be hard! HA.

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:34 PM
Actually, I think the hood may be the easiest part... you're going to have to figure out how to cut up the frame, and what not...

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Posted by WCfan on Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:52 PM
Oh yes!, almsot forgot about the frame when I posted. I could make it out of a metal plate and mill it down, idk. I'll figure it out as I got I suppose...Tongue [:P]
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Posted by Guilford Guy on Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:20 AM
Would a cut up Athearn SD40 or SD9 frame work better?

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Posted by Wikious on Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:53 AM
I found a mitre saw works well for cutting shells, just make sure you have a steady hand and are actually cutting straight and even.

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Posted by WCfan on Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:02 AM

I think a SD9 frame would work better.

Wikious, that's why I would buy a miter box...Tongue [:P]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:13 AM
WCFan; you might be able to use a frame from a different type of loco then build the loco on top of it using parts from cheap Athearn bodies. the fram looks to be about as long as a GP7, or maybe an SW1500, you'd just need to put 6 axle trucks on it from an Atlas or something...
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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:57 AM

here's my WPF post:

I'm keeping my plan, but changing the RR. It is now called the Pittsburgh & New Haven RR. It was formed when the Pittsburgh Atlantic (fictional) and the New York, New Haven& Hartford merged in 1966, before the New haven could go to Penn Central. Both RRs locos were patched (New haven had # +name removed from cab, kept logo on side) The Pittsburgh Atlantic had the current scheme. They also bought out the Maine Central RR in 1977, and just patched those locos. So here's the paint scheme:

[Image posted with permission by the author (07/18/08) and MR forum]

I've formed my own leasing co. as well: SAWX leasing. BTW, the GP9 will have the same color scheme, but w/ the yellow locos lettering (not the little statement on the side, just SAWX in neon green.

Yellow GP35 

[Image posted with permission by the author (07/18/08) and MR forum]

Orange GP9

[Image posted with permission by the author (07/18/08) and MR forum]

 

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Posted by WCfan on Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:57 AM

I thought it would be that easy too...but there's more to it.

The first problem is the radiator, the SDLs is like a GP38 rad, but it's in two pieces, like GP40. But the SDL39s is shorter than the GP40s rad. The second problem is the hood pieces don't match exactly. I can solve this by cutting of where the hood doors start and start cutting the out some of the individual doors to get it to match. The second part will be the trucks. The SD45 trucks are the closest match, but they will have to be modified heavily.

I can do it, it'll just take some time. Right now I'm going to focus on the body.

EDIT: Umm, I'm looking at the hoods that Cannon & Co sells, which would eb right of a GP38? the 18X78 inch, or the 22X78 inch?

And for the doors under the rad, 22X65 inch, or 17X65 inch?

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:32 PM

Sawyer... Got the New England Bug eh?

Jordan, that sounds like quite the project. If you want to think about it with #'s... 39 comes after 38, and before 40. I'm not sure on the exact build years, but you might want to focus more on 38 body componenets.

Not much new for me... I ordered a little more stuff for Packer's GP30, Tylers GP9rm, and another friends' GP38-2. After that I need to work on finishing up some scratchbuilt cars, and do some resin casts of them. Smile [:)]

After those projects are done, I have to do some Steamers, mostly scratchbuilt, but those can wait until after Springfield. I want to do a 45 Tonner and a couple of the Wood Cars in a local excursion railroad, as well as their two RDC's.

http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?200712041632181425.jpg

Its nice at 9:30 at night listening to them dead heading back to the yard in Melville RI...

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:19 PM

Heh heh... Sawyer keeps moving his railroad North; it started in SC and now it's up in New England... Soon I'll be able to interchange with it in Canada!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Alex; what cars are you resin casting? I've always been interested in mass-producing my own rolling stock...Smile [:)] Maybe I can get some tips from you.

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:40 PM
B&M's Wood Coaches (used by Arcade & Attica, Steamtown has some, Strasburg uses them exclusively, Old Colony & Newport, etc). MBTA's 500 series coaches. B&M 2-6-0's and 4-6-2's.

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Posted by WCfan on Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:01 PM
 TrainManTy wrote:

Heh heh... Sawyer keeps moving his railroad North; it started in SC and now it's up in New England... Soon I'll be able to interchange with it in Canada!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Yea, and if ya mose a little bit West, lets say Chicago, you could Interchange with the WIN Sawyer....

Ok I basicaly got a parts list, just need to get a Razor Saw. Tommrow I hope to go to my LHS and order the parts.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:04 PM
Ty: Where does the WRS operate from (I forget). However, the layout is staying in southern Pennsylvania. It's actually a branch line (so I'll be using old road-switchers[GP9s, GP30s, GP38/40s, RS units, etc.). I' think there'll be a commuter train using an FA unit or such. But yeah, I wanted to have a patched New Haven unit (GP9), so I took liberties and said my RR merged w/ the New Haven and bought the Maine Central in 1977. And I couldn't come up w/ a good name till I got the Pittsburgh and New Haven RR. Just wait till I get to the North Pole ;]

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:06 PM

Nice Nice!

Thank god I don't have all your cell phone numbers or my phone bill would be in the quadruple digits...

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:32 PM
 Guilford Guy wrote:

Nice Nice!

Thank god I don't have all your cell phone numbers or my phone bill would be in the quadruple digits...

If you're talking to me, I have no cell phone and besides, I hate talking on a phone. I just type a lot here 'cause it's easier.

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:39 PM
White River Southern runs from White River Junction Vt, to Concord NH. MEC got sort of near there. If you are merging with NH, at the time B&M and NH had the same presidents, so you might want to consider including in it, not to mention MEC and B&M had very strong ties, and you can't get to MEC without going through B&M.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:57 PM

You know, you don't have to merge with the NH to have a patched NH unit. It could've been purchased second-hand; most shortlines don't buy new locomotives at all, for example, the WRS currently has a bunch of units that origanally belonged to a whole host of railroads including C&O, CPRail, and UP, plus a GP9M from who knows where, and possibly an SD45 (probably ex-Santa Fe or SP) if Alex gets around to ordering it...Wink [;)]

Of course, only the GP9M is painted (or will be as soon as it sees WRS rails again), and the SD45 will be if I get it; the other units (UP, C&O, and CPRail) will need to be repainted or at least patched. I'm thinking that CPRail 5009 will be repainted as WRS 2500,  C&O 2306 will be repainted as WRS 2306, and UP 1402 will just be patched to WRS 1402. This is because of all the fine details on 1402, which would be hard to paint without damaging them. 

The WRS uses a horsepower-based numbering system, a 1750 HP GP9M is in the 1750 series, a 2500 HP GP35 goes in the 2500 series, and a 2250 HP (WRS 2306 was upgraded to 2300 Hp, however) U23B goes into the 2250 serie, except the WRS units are in the 2300 series.

Former UP 1402 was patched but not renumbered, otherwise it would be in the 2550 series. (it has 2500 HP, but it has quite a bit more tractive effort than a like HP GP35 because of the 6 axle trucks.

And now I will stop confusing you...and myself...Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by WCfan on Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:15 PM

 TrainManTy wrote:
 

snip... and possibly an SD45 (probably ex-Santa Fe or SP) if Alex gets around to ordering it...Wink [;)]

IMHO I'd have it eather Ex ATSF, or Ex BN. The SP beat there SD45s to the bone...the WC got a few, but most where parts. Not sure about the DRG&W SD45s, but I think they got the same treatment...Whistling [:-^]

Sounds like a neat numbering system.

Well...I did it...I cut half of the long hood off my GP38, here is a pic. I think I might start a thread on this project.

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:28 PM
I placed the order with walthers a couple hours ago. This should be the last materials I need to finish the project. Pix should be up by the end of the week. SD45 might be a little while, since I have a bunch of other projects. If I did do the SD45 it would have a price tag around 60$ or more.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:54 PM

 Guilford Guy wrote:
White River Southern runs from White River Junction Vt, to Concord NH. MEC got sort of near there. If you are merging with NH, at the time B&M and NH had the same presidents, so you might want to consider including in it, not to mention MEC and B&M had very strong ties, and you can't get to MEC without going through B&M.

Really, I sorta just took the New Haven and instead of having it merge with Penn central, have it merge w/ the Pittsburgh & Atlantic (sounds better w/ the and). Of course, B&M and MEC coulda gone to the P&NH instead of Guiliford Rail (maybe, IDK what to do [of course, the units would be patched, not repainted]). So as it stands, the P&NH have the Pittsburgh & Atlantic lines and the New Haven lines (dropping the Maine Central, I'll just say that P&NH bought some of Maine central's RS11s and patched them). My branch is former P&A track. Might put Altoona at the end of it, to have an excuse for running the state-of-the-art 1981 locos through, in all sorts of different paint schemes (and have them handle some switching duty as they're tested). GG, mind if I post the SP and DRGW tributes to another forum (just the links)?

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:12 PM

If you were to model 80's-Present, Guilford began selling off the Alco's, GE's, and early GP's(even bigger power). If you model present day you could have a huge roster. Guilford departed with their C425's, RS11's, GP38's, GP38-2's, GP39-2's, GP40-2's, GP9's, GP7's, GP18's, SW1-9, S1-5, U18B's, U33C's, U30C's, U25B's, etc etc etc...

And yes, you can post the links.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:20 PM
 Guilford Guy wrote:

If you were to model 80's-Present, Guilford began selling off the Alco's, GE's, and early GP's(even bigger power). If you model present day you could have a huge roster. Guilford departed with their C425's, RS11's, GP38's, GP38-2's, GP39-2's, GP40-2's, GP9's, GP7's, GP18's, SW1-9, S1-5, U18B's, U33C's, U30C's, U25B's, etc etc etc...

And yes, you can post the links.

Thanks. I'm modeling 1981-1989 (was going to be 1981, but moved to 81-89 for GE dash 8s). I'll probably have a few cNW units (patched), and a bunch of other patched units. I'll see what's available in N for Guiliford systems.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 28, 2008 10:40 AM

Sawyer; if you're just modeling the branch line, you can mess with reality a little less and model one of Conrail's many branch line spin-offs. Pennsylvania is full of shortlines created when Conrail was selling off it's less profitable branch lines like crazy; I think it might be a little more accepted by the general populace, including myself, if you didn't eat up the NH. It's just going with my opinion that freelanced lines should be little shortlines on unwanted trackage... It's your decision completely of course.My 2 cents [2c]

Alex; I guess I'll pass on the SD45; I really don't need more units (especially mainline-only C-C units) anyway...Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Can't wait for the photos of 1750/1751! (I forgot what the number was again...)Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by Packers#1 on Monday, July 28, 2008 12:12 PM
how about the "Pittsburgh & Erie"? A small regional carrier that connects erie, Pittsburgh, and Altoona. Yeah, and they just bought some New Haven and maine central units and patched them. Thanks, Tyler.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 28, 2008 12:17 PM

Pittsburgh & Erie...I like it!Cool [8D]Thumbs Up [tup]

I'm going to try to start learning to paint my own stuff, starting with a former Santa Fe caboose... Any tips?

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Monday, July 28, 2008 12:26 PM

So basically you're making a giant L, competing with the much larger conrail who runs on almost parallel routes? Dunno what you think of these names for an alternate routing from Indiana-Pittsburg, then Northwest towards Lake Erie and Canada... West Ontario, Ohio, & Pittsburg(Big Woop), Indiana, Lake Erie & Ontario, Pittsburg, Lakeville Ontario & Western (PLOW). You can always play train god and say Livonia Avon & Lakeville, Morristown & Erie, and Genesee Valley Transportation Family all merged together to form a mega Alco-Haul-Ick Road...

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Posted by Packers#1 on Monday, July 28, 2008 12:35 PM

Renamed:

Pittsburgh, & New York. They operate a ton of spun off lines from pittsburgh to New York, connecting them w/ trackage agreements and their own main lines, and also connect to the towns of Erie and Cinncinati. Basically, no job to small, and they'll work till the job's done right, period.

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