Nope. Try again.
maxman Those of you who have difficulty with the appellation MMR used after someone's name will enjoy this. Today I saw a car with an ad for Annie R******, CPO. Anyone care to guess what a CPO is? (Googling is cheating)
Those of you who have difficulty with the appellation MMR used after someone's name will enjoy this. Today I saw a car with an ad for Annie R******, CPO.
Anyone care to guess what a CPO is? (Googling is cheating)
If we were in the Navy, it would be Chief Petty Officer.
But in the example you gave, it's Certified Pre-Owned (like they really need to certify that someone already owned the car before you.......it's still USED
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PennCentral99 maxman Those of you who have difficulty with the appellation MMR used after someone's name will enjoy this. Today I saw a car with an ad for Annie R******, CPO. Anyone care to guess what a CPO is? (Googling is cheating) If we were in the Navy, it would be Chief Petty Officer. But in the example you gave, it's Certified Pre-Owned (like they really need to certify that someone already owned the car before you.......it's still USED Terry
maxman
Those of you who have difficulty with the appellation MMR used after someone's name will enjoy this. Today I saw a car with an ad for Annie R******, CPO. Anyone care to guess what a CPO is? (Googling is cheating)
Nope.
It stands for "Certified Professional Organizer". You can Google that. Evidently special training is involved because "not everyone can do it".
maxmanIt stands for "Certified Professional Organizer". You can Google that. Evidently special training is involved because "not everyone can do it".
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Do you mean they get paid to put things away?
This thread just went way , but it is more fun now!
-Kevin
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SeeYou190 maxman It stands for "Certified Professional Organizer". You can Google that. Evidently special training is involved because "not everyone can do it". . Do you mean they get paid to put things away? . This thread just went way , but it is more fun now! . -Kevin .
maxman It stands for "Certified Professional Organizer". You can Google that. Evidently special training is involved because "not everyone can do it".
The world really has lost its mind........common sense is not so common any more......
Sheldon
Before this gets too far off track, it's worthwhile to point out that some certifications are really about gaining income as much as the documentation of professional skills.
I mentioned that some MMR engage in model railroad related business because the skill sets and knowledge base provides them the resources to do that.
But the MMR is pretty much not about making money, but about volunteer contribution to the hobby. It's possible some do get reimbursed for lodging and meals in exchange for their services judging contest at conventions they might not otherwise attend. I just don't know. But adding MMR is not about the money for anyoe as far as I know in contrast to most of the examples being cited here. The exception to this is Scouting, where the volunteer ethic is very much like that of the NMRA, People do it becaue they think it's worthwhile in and of itself, not because of the money
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SeeYou190Do you mean they get paid to put things away? . This thread just went way Off Topic, but it is more fun now!
I didn't look to deeply into what they do, but my impression is that they don't actually put anything away. I think you pay them to tell you how to put your own stuff away.
maxman SeeYou190 Do you mean they get paid to put things away? . This thread just went way Off Topic, but it is more fun now! I didn't look to deeply into what they do, but my impression is that they don't actually put anything away. I think you pay them to tell you how to put your own stuff away.
SeeYou190 Do you mean they get paid to put things away? . This thread just went way Off Topic, but it is more fun now!
That's really funny......
Bayfield Transfer Railway Part of it, of course, is what one's objectives are.My primary and strongest interest in the hobby is operations. I have spent a considerable amount of time trying to learn how real railroads do certain things, including a lot of time working to become at least halfway compentent at dispatching by timetable and train order. I want a layout with "good enough" rolling stock, track, and scenery that I can have satisfying and enjoyable operations on. If I had to choose between a layout with scenery and no operations or operations and no scenery, I'd pick operations every time.I also am 62 years old without a current place for a layout. If I am very, VERY lucky I've got thirty good years left.Spending time on anything that does not directy affect my desire to have a "pretty good" layout that has fun operations makes no sense to my personal viewpoint. I've done enough operations to know that during operations, the fine underbody details of a car (for instance) are irrelevant. As I once observed, "if you can see the underside of one of my freight cars, things have gone seriously wrong."If building models for the sake of building models is what's fun for one, then one will look at the question differently.In this as in so many other things, the key to success is proper management of expectations.
Part of it, of course, is what one's objectives are.My primary and strongest interest in the hobby is operations. I have spent a considerable amount of time trying to learn how real railroads do certain things, including a lot of time working to become at least halfway compentent at dispatching by timetable and train order. I want a layout with "good enough" rolling stock, track, and scenery that I can have satisfying and enjoyable operations on. If I had to choose between a layout with scenery and no operations or operations and no scenery, I'd pick operations every time.I also am 62 years old without a current place for a layout. If I am very, VERY lucky I've got thirty good years left.Spending time on anything that does not directy affect my desire to have a "pretty good" layout that has fun operations makes no sense to my personal viewpoint. I've done enough operations to know that during operations, the fine underbody details of a car (for instance) are irrelevant. As I once observed, "if you can see the underside of one of my freight cars, things have gone seriously wrong."If building models for the sake of building models is what's fun for one, then one will look at the question differently.In this as in so many other things, the key to success is proper management of expectations.
That pretty much sums up my opinion. I responded earlier in the thread about the term itself being foreign to me, and I've been in the hobby for 40 years. It seems to be a designation for those folks in the hobby who have interest in representing individual pieces of equipment with prototypical precision. That's never been something that's interested me so that is probably why the term is foreign to me.
To add another thought. After reading this thread it seems obvious that the NMRA has simply set an achievement standard for those interested in that aspect of the hobby. How seriously a person takes that standard as part of their ego, status, or competition within their chosen circles is a matter of personal choice. The NMRA can't be responsible for that, so I don't see why the NMRA should be criticized for estblishing the MMR designation.
- Douglas
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Douglass,
Good observations, but I'll offer up a couple of points that suggest that the AP and MMR that's part of it is less of an "achievement standard" than it may be a systemized assessment of the application of the development of one's skills.
If you want a focus that is more exclusively on prototype, then there are the Railroad Prototype Modeler's (RPM) Meets. These involve some NMRA members, but lots of other folks, although interestingly enough it's NMRA-sponsored insurance that sometimes covers these public events, another one of the ways in whcih the NMRA supports the infrastructures of the hobby.
While there is a lot of attention to prototype practices in the AP and MMR, not all models involved need have a specific prototype. What's important is the skill in building and their conformance to the applicable design and standards. This could involve a model of a prototype that is decorated for one's private roadname, for instance. Other models may have no actual prototype, but are constructed using designs and details that reflect documented prototype practices.
I would say there is a tendency to see the MMR designation in use more recently. First, there are simply more MMRs around now than there were in its early days.
Second, it is something that has to be earned (any initial awards to well-qualified hobby pioneers who may or may not have filled out paperwork aside -- remember the Flintstones pitched cigarettes back then, too, and we no longer see that happening either), so its use engenders some respect within the NMRA community because we know the effort required to achieve the MMR. Whether others care about that or not is their business, but the notion that the MMR is "one of the negative things that the NMRA does TO the hobby" seems pretty unfounded.
Finally, use of the MMR does promote it and the AP program as a whole. Again, pretty easy to ignore if it bothers you. It's just one of the things we do, but also one that people find interesting and rewarding in the sense that it does develop ones modeling skills. Mostly, as several have noted, it's about competing with your own last best efforts and only applies to competition with others if one chooses to participate in contests. The AP and MMR supply volunteers for contest judging and clinic development and presentation in many cases, so these efforts are a vital part of what sustains the NMRA's volunteer infrastructure.
And whether you are a model railroader with stuff, or a railfan with slides, books, collectibles and stuff, who wouldn't benefit from better organization?
Maybe I need to find me one of these CPOs.
Dave Nelson
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dknelson And whether you are a model railroader with stuff, or a railfan with slides, books, collectibles and stuff, who wouldn't benefit from better organization? Maybe I need to find me one of these CPOs. Dave Nelson
I think that's called a Railroad Professional Organizer or RPO?
I think this thread is now completely off track. Is there anything that hasn´t been said? If not, let´s rest the issue!
Ulrich,
I think the fact that we can have a contentious but civil exchange of views on this topic and then still be able to poke a little fun at ourselves is the sign of a good discussion. I'm sure there's more to be said, but sure, let's try to keep it on topic - mostly.