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SHORT CIRCUIT PROBLEM

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Monday, October 22, 2012 6:25 AM

What kind of turnouts are you using?  You may have a problem with certain power-routing turnouts if they are not isolated past the frog.

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Posted by zstripe on Monday, October 22, 2012 6:18 AM

I'll have to agree with Rich on this one.  If the feeders were crossed, the moment the power is on, it will short out... A diagram would certainly be helpful...

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, October 22, 2012 4:55 AM

Without a track plan, we are left to speculate what your layout looks like and how you are approaching the wiring process.

It sounds as though you have completed the track work and are now wiring it to the bus. If that is the case, and if you are certain that there is no reverse loop or reversing section, then the short is occuring because of mismatched wires.

So far, the feeder wires that you have connected from the rails to the bus have provided electrical current and you are able to run a loco on the powered track. Now you install a set of feeders on the next section of track and a short occurs.  That tells me that you have reversed the feeder wires.  What happens if you reverse those two feeder wires?

Rich

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Posted by tnhllblly06 on Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:42 PM

Thanks for the help.  This is a new layout that I am wiring, and the section in question is not part of a reversing loop.  It shorts out as soon as  I connect the inside rail to the bus, or to another piece of track.  The outside rail connects just fine.  I have kept a loco on the track powered up as I went attaching my feeder wires, with no problems until I hit this one spot.  Some other posters have mentioned insulators???  What are they referring to? 

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:10 PM

Is this a new layout that you are wiring or an existing layout that you are converting from DC to DCC?

The symptoms that you describe very definitely suggest a reverse polarity problem, either caused by a reverse loop or wires crossed and out of phase.

Rich

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Posted by rrebell on Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:09 PM

Just was through this. Check an insulator that has gone bad and see if one of your drops is the wrong color, I found both!!!!!!!  Best way I have found to check for shorts while you are under the table is to put a couple of alligator leads to the track and run anything they will power (motor or light, etc), on mine I run a train at slow speed and if I connect a wire wrong, it stops instantly).

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Posted by gandydancer19 on Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:13 PM

I agree with Brad.

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Posted by twcenterprises on Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:04 PM

It would be helpful if we had a track diagram or photo(s).  I am assuming the track is electrically isolated at the joint in question, which leads me to think one of two possibilities.  Either you have a reversed wire/switch somewhere, or you might have a reversing section or loop.

Brad

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SHORT CIRCUIT PROBLEM
Posted by tnhllblly06 on Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:07 PM

     I am at my wit's end with a short circuit problem on my layout.  Any help will be appreciated.  I have a fairly large layout that I am wiring for DCC.  My bus wire is 14 gauge.  20 gauge feeder wires are soldered to the rails every 3 feet or so, and connected to the bus with "suitcase connectors".  Everything is color-coded. The wiring was going along smoothly, until I hit one particular section of track....short!  The loco stops the minute it hits there.  The track piece was actually hot to the touch.  I replaced the track section, but the minute I connect the rails, short!  I can see the inside rails sparking when they touch.  I've double-checked the wiring, and it all looks good.  Any ideas as to what else could be causing the short circuits? I've disconnected all the wires on the other side of the layout from the short.  Thanks!

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