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Posted by BATMAN on Sunday, December 14, 2014 7:30 PM

Bear, that's just the kind of Sunday morning video that this "Batcave" coffee drinker enjoys. Those machines are impressive indeed, although the thought of driving one of those as a career sends shivers down my spine. Back and forth day in and day out would have me insane in short order. I hope they get paid large sums for that duty.

Found this trailer video in the deep dark depths of You-Tube.

My grandfather had something to do with looking after the locomotive fleet out of Winnipeg for CN. He said that in 1939 when Canada declared war on Germany he didn't sleep a wink until all the boys were home in 1946. He said he basically lived at work.

You can see the dirty (weathered) condition of the CP loco's and rolling stock in the video. I remember Gramps telling me that he didn't think anything got washed or had proper maintenance once the war started. Nothing stop long enough to make it so.

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Posted by BATMAN on Monday, December 15, 2014 12:12 PM

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, December 19, 2014 4:16 AM
While looking for appropriate video for another thread, I came across this...
... so it is British, but if any of us ever get the chance to fire a coal burner we should know how.Wink

Cheers, the Bear.Smile

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Posted by BATMAN on Friday, December 19, 2014 10:24 AM

Whoops I wonder where Jeffreys photo went? I'll see if I can put him back. Photobucket has not been kind to me this week.

Another great video Bear. Now everytime I see tons of black smoke spewing out of a Loco, I'll be thinking, bad fireman, bad fireman.Laugh

Now I know how to fire a steamer, maybe I'll build one out in the garage! Then again, maybe not.Whistling

I really liked seeing how they cast the wheels.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, December 19, 2014 8:36 PM

 The picture of Jeffrey is still there for me, and also even opens larger when I click on it.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, December 20, 2014 2:47 AM
Gidday Brent, good to see Jeffreys photo back up again.
That footage of the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan in Canadian Steam At War awoke Devil  Bear and while I consider I’ve worked some long hours for long periods of time, I don’t really I can appreciate the hours your Grandfather and his fellow workers put in back then, but at least they didn’t have to put this....
 
And just in case our hosts consider I’m promoting too much “King and Country” I found this to slightly restore the balance.....
..... that generous US loading gauge allowed some really BIG locos.
Cheers, the Bear. Smile

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Posted by BATMAN on Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:53 AM

Bear. A lot of Railroad workers lost their lives in the war, on all sides. The longest stretch I ever stayed awake was about 50 hours. That was a walk in the park compared to what our Grandparents went through in the war. I could write pages on the stories I've been told. I had some old Cousins that worked for the RR in G.B. and did hear the stories of them being attacked by the Luftwaffe.

This is an excellent film of the dreadful times they went through.

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Posted by BATMAN on Sunday, December 21, 2014 2:39 PM

So todays installment is to help satisfy our friendly Bears nocturnal habits of being able to hunt down answers to the question at hand.

So here it is. What is the funny looking thing that the Loco is pushing (or pulling) across the trestle????  Why is it shaped like it is????? And why should Dr. Wayne want to build one.Smile, Wink & Grin

And further more, even though I am not afraid of heights, I would not be standing on the tender like the guy in the photo.Surprise

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Monday, December 22, 2014 4:24 AM

BATMAN
So todays installment is to help satisfy our friendly Bears nocturnal habits of being able to hunt down answers to the question at hand.

I’m not having much any luck on the current subject, have found lots of interesting stuff though, including another one of these beasties, courtesy of these good fflokes.... 

http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_rolling/one.htm

Here's a couple more photos.....

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cp422027.jpg

See page 21 on this PDF......http://www.exporail.org/can_rail/Canadian%20Rail_no324_1979.pdf

That British Railways in WWll was interesting. My Dad was going to school in Birmingham, GB at that time and two late friends of the same era, who I met at the local club; one lived in Coventry, the other Hamburg.

Oh well back to the search, though why do I think this could be a fail?Sigh
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Posted by ACY Tom on Monday, December 22, 2014 10:19 AM

Pure speculation:

A pile driver with a enclosed mechanism, pushing an idler flatcar.  However, there is no tender for the machine in question.  Could it use steam from the locomotive?

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Posted by doctorwayne on Monday, December 22, 2014 2:05 PM

BATMAN

So todays installment is to help satisfy our friendly Bears nocturnal habits of being able to hunt down answers to the question at hand.

So here it is. What is the funny looking thing that the Loco is pushing (or pulling) across the trestle????  Why is it shaped like it is????? And why should Dr. Wayne want to build one.Smile, Wink & Grin

And further more, even though I am not afraid of heights, I would not be standing on the tender like the guy in the photo.Surprise

 

 

I wonder if it has anything to do with tunnel boring?  The protrusion on the roof could be a stack, indicating a boiler within the enclosure.  Or perhaps it's a not-yet-completed snow blower?

And I'm not all that interested in building one - looks like it pre-dates my layout's era by about 40 years. Smile, Wink & Grin


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Posted by "JaBear" on Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:04 AM

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Posted by BATMAN on Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:36 AM

Well Wayne. I think it would make for an interesting item sitting on your "Rest In Peaces" track. That way it would fit your era. Isn't it great that we are planning out all your future builds for you?Laugh

Bear I remember where I have seen you before. I was riding my mountain bike along a RR service road that was between the CPR mainline and the Kicking horse river about fifty Kms. East of Revelstoke. There you were skinny dipping down in the river! Or maybe you were fishing. Anyway I didn't stop to say hi and thought it wise to start pedaling a wee bit faster at that point.

As far as the car in question is concerned I searched on the B.C. Gov Archives and the City of Vancouver Archives and every time I put a search in I ended up with about 10,000 to 20,000 photo hits on the subject. Being a guy that loves to look at all these old photo's, needless to say I was often sidetracked. I don't think it is a piledriver as I could not find another one with all the pile driver searches I did. I think it is possibly a winch used for hoisting up or lowering down poles for the bents as the trestle is being built.

After all my searching yesterday, I have a collection for today. Taking advantage of those Tax dollars you might say.

I always thought a trestle under construction would be a great scene on a layout. I think it is McFunkey Monkey that has a bridge under construction scene that I always admired.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Tuesday, December 23, 2014 8:55 PM

BATMAN

Well Wayne. I think it would make for an interesting item sitting on your "Rest In Peaces" track. That way it would fit your era. Isn't it great that we are planning out all your future builds for you?

Yeah, it's great to not have to worry about running out of projects. Stick out tongue

 

BATMAN

Reminds me of Elmer Fudd, sawing off the branch on which he's sitting.  "Be vewy, vewy quiet:  we're hunting wabbits.":

Brent, I must compliment you on your wide-ranging choice of subjects for this thread - the possibilities are endless.

Wayne

 

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:49 AM
I’m still scratching my head but am reasonably certain (famous last words) that it is not related to tunnel boring. With my very newly acquired knowledge (a little knowledge is a dangerous thing) I have found out that while an American gentleman, a Mr. Wilson, built and patented a tunnel boring machine in 1853, it proved to be another case of a good idea but ahead of its time, it took another 100 years to get the technology caught up.
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Here’s a link to the source.......

http://wiley-vch.e-bookshelf.de/products/reading-epub/product-id/602705/title/Hardrock%2BTunnel%2BBoring%2BMachines.html?autr=%22Bernhard+Maidl%22
I’m plucking at straws but what I am now wondering, is it an early version of a track laying machine with the derricks and gantry removed for transportation????  
A link to tracKlaying machines........
 

Cheers, the Bear. Huh?

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Posted by "JaBear" on Thursday, December 25, 2014 2:18 PM
A brief interlude from Batmans baffling brainteaser, besides at this time of year it’s good to be able to watch others do the hard yards, especially after Christmas dinner.
 

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Posted by BATMAN on Friday, December 26, 2014 1:00 PM

Holy Jules Verne Bear. I guess all good ideas eventually come to fruition.

I had thought of the car in question as possibly being a track laying machine, however I also have not found anything else relating to the car. Some day the answer will just show up, most likely when hunting down information on something totally unrelated.

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Brent, I must compliment you on your wide-ranging choice of subjects for this thread - the possibilities are endless. Wayne

Thanks Wayne. Someone once asked Jerry Seinfeld what his new TV show was about and his reply was "it's a show about nothing".  Kinda like this thread, "it's a thread about nothing".Laugh

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, December 26, 2014 2:15 PM

BATMAN
Some day the answer will just show up, most likely when hunting down information on something totally unrelated.

 Yeah, it’s like waking up at 0300 hrs with the answer to a previous asked question which I should have known the answer too in the first place. Bang Head Now I have to write it down so I can remember it in the morning.Sigh
 
Anyhow during my search I came across this photo which I found interesting. I do know the answer, but to exercise the brain if you’re so inclined, what’s going on here???

Cheers, the Bear.Smile

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Posted by BATMAN on Friday, December 26, 2014 2:22 PM

How about icing the the cars where they have yet to build an ice house????? A special situation for a rare or one time cargo. But what is it???? The cargo I mean.

Edit: Maybe they are loading grain where an elevator has yet to be built?

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, December 26, 2014 2:40 PM

doctorwayne

Brent, I must compliment you on your wide-ranging choice of subjects for this thread - the possibilities are endless.

aww, geez, Wayne, what did you go and tell him that for.    Super Angry

Personally, I find this thread totally useless, a thread about nothing....  Bang Head

....but I like it.   Yes

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Posted by BATMAN on Friday, December 26, 2014 3:42 PM

richhotrain
a thread about nothing....

Rich.

Don't you have something about nothing to contribute?Laugh

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, December 26, 2014 4:18 PM

BATMAN
Edit: Maybe they are loading grain where an elevator has yet to be built?

Well done that man. Too easy!!! Gift
The caption read: In the early part of this century, prairie grain was loaded into boxcars at a multitude of sidings. One of the boxcars is from the Duluth, Winnipeg and Pacific Railroad, and the other two are Canadian Northern Railway cars. Photo CP Limited, coll G.A. Moore.
 
The photo and associated article can be found here, page 12.....
 
Assumption, assume can make an ass out of you and me.
 
Why I found that photo so interesting was because of the two incorrect assumptions I had made.
#1.  Grain elevators would have been common place in the Grain Belt.
#2. It would have been easier to transport grain in sacks.
Of course when I start to think it over I wonder why I made those assumptions, unlike NZ, I guess that the Canadian, and for that matter US, prairies did not have a superabundance of suitable timber growing next to where you wanted to build.
 There had to be a need for infrastructure on that scale.
The state of the roads and that most of the transport was horse drawn, meant that you would want to get your produce to the market in the quickest and easiest possible way. (Though quickest and easiest are relative terms).
I’m still unsure why sacks would not have been used.
 
This may have been posted on the forums before, but grab that coffee, put your feet up and relax...

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, December 26, 2014 4:48 PM

BATMAN

 

 
richhotrain
a thread about nothing....

 

Rich.

Don't you have something about nothing to contribute?Laugh

 

I do.

Here is a photo of the ATSF servicing facility in Chicago, just south of Dearborn Station.  

In the photo, you can see the turntable, roundhouse, and sand towers. Behind the sand towers, you can see a concrete structure with some metal rigging attached to it.  What is it?   

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Posted by BATMAN on Friday, December 26, 2014 6:02 PM

Tough one Rich. Is it part of a conveyer system to bring in coal from a remote location? There doesn't seem to be a lot of room to be bringing in hoppers.

Bear, there is a video on the tube about the first efforts of trying to ship fresh produce across the continent. They were not too successful at first and had to arrange for some hastily built icing facilities along the way. They looked a lot like the grain version you showed us. I will try to find the video as it was really interesting even though it was mostly still shots they showed with narration.

Building a broken down dilapidated wagon platform like the one in the photo would make for an interesting scene just down the track from an elevator. I could see the remnants of one still being in place.

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, December 26, 2014 9:24 PM

BATMAN

Tough one Rich. Is it part of a conveyer system to bring in coal from a remote location? There doesn't seem to be a lot of room to be bringing in hoppers.

Brent, I have searched for an answer for years without finding it, so I really don't know what structure is in the photo.  But, I like your answer because I have always wondered if it were some sort of coaling tower.  I do know that there was no other coaling facility nearby.  Anyone else?

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, December 27, 2014 4:40 AM

richhotrain
I have searched for an answer for years without finding it, so I really don't know what structure is in the photo.

Awww gee Rich, that says it all, a wise man would know better than to butt in but hey it’s the Bear we’re talking about, Sigh so here goes.
I’m not really up on my ATSF steam locomotives but when were their coal fired steam locomotives still operating from Chicago?? If say by the late 30s they were all oil fired on the Chicago Terminal and Illinois Divisions, then there would be no need for a coal tower, so is that structure a sand drying tower?

Caption: “Power for the Chiefs. Line up of new power at the Santa Fe coach yard in Chicago.”

February 2, 1938

Photo by William Ranke

 
Brent, that loading platform doesn’t look the most robust or permanent of structures; in fact getting the wagons up there looks a trick, but it would be a good talking point to have the remains poking through the long grass and self sown wheat. (looking forward to the photos)Whistling
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Posted by BATMAN on Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:26 AM

Well Rich, I was going to ask if the area was all condo's now, however I went to Google Earth and got my answer. I then used the "time shift" feature that warped me back as far as 1999 and it was gone by that point in time as well. Have you tried City or State online Archives to see if any more photo's exist?

There was usually a steam plant associated with a roundhouse and I am wondering if that black thing with the platfoms around it could be a small chimney of somesort. There is also a smaller arch of piping at the left end of the roundhouse behind the Loco.

I was also wondering about the orientation of the water tower but figured that out with Google Earth.

Bear loved the video. Getting the shops ready for production and then only building two must have increased the cost of them.  Here is a pic of 3101 as she stands todayCrying

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I consider Ulrich the German Attache to the forum. I think we need answers from him on this video! I mean Germans are to Railroads what Canadians are to hockey! Ulrich what's your excuse!Laugh

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, December 27, 2014 1:40 PM

BATMAN
.......however I went to Google Earth and got my answer.

Gidday Brent, having studied this map and Google Maps, I’m not sure whether I most surprised by what has survived or by what hasn’t.
 
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Posted by "JaBear" on Sunday, December 28, 2014 3:45 AM
Further to the subject of shonky track work......
 

 

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Posted by BATMAN on Monday, December 29, 2014 12:07 PM

Interesting video Bear. It's funny how the Army has a harder time getting their trains off the track than some of us modelers have keeping them on the track. It was also interesting to see how the loaded (weighted) cars jumped the "gap" better.

In this photo, you can see a small wheeled piece of equipment next to the track. If you enlarge the pic, you can see a small piece of equipment in front of the wheel of this thing, sitting on the ground. Their also appears to be a wire running back under the track. Is it a counter of some sort? Also, would the wheeled thing carry a person or be towed behind a speeder or something else.

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http://www.okthepk.ca/dataCprSiding/articles/200901/hill00.htm

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