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Posted by Texas Zepher on Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:03 PM
As promised here is the double track version. I threw in a couple of spurs and I didn't shrink it so small, so one can get a better idea of what I was thinking. I wish I could sketch in some scenery stuff, and I wish I hadn't tried to add text, but oh well. I'll continue to work on the dog bone design, but this weekend is pretty booked.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:15 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Texas Zepher

As promised here is the double track version. I threw in a couple of spurs and I didn't shrink it so small, so one can get a better idea of what I was thinking. I wish I could sketch in some scenery stuff, and I wish I hadn't tried to add text, but oh well. I'll continue to work on the dog bone design, but this weekend is pretty booked.




T Z ,

Incredible! It is amazing to see some it take shape in the hands of someone with the skills to make it happen. I am almost giddy [:D] Please sir take care of your weekend bookings, I am still just amazed at your kindness. Wonderful work, it helps me so much to visualize this and helps to start get things rolling around in my mind.

Coyote

P.S. T Z, if you want or need to send me file you are more than welcome to send them to my E-mail address.
Thanks so much again.
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Posted by ereimer on Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:11 PM
this is gonna be a really nice layout [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:50 PM
TZ,

A question for you, if I may...

Did you draw up the trackplan using RTS? I'm not sure if I read that right.

Peace.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:35 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by grandpacoyote
Did you draw up the trackplan using RTS? I'm not sure if I read that right.

Yes, and got your e-mail so I'll be sending them directly. This was RTS version 5.0. I don't know if there are any difference in the .ral files between it and the current version or not.

Be warned that I used flex track to make the 26.25" radius outside curved tracks. The flextrack makes it difficult to "grab" other sections of track near it.
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Posted by Texas Zepher on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:48 PM
Here is the dog-bone saga. I did my initial idea (sort of an "E" shape) only to find out there was not enough space to do it maintaining the 24" / 26.25" minimum radius curves. So I just dog-boned the original design (below). I did not find it so interesting. So with a major change in thought I came up with dog-bone two (a most primative version also below). The problem with it is that to get this shape I really had to pinch some of the isles down to two feet. Very crowded, especially if one is trying to show off the trains to a group of people.
Dog Bone 1

The separation of the two tracks at the one point is due to a picture I have where at one point the Santa Fe only had a single track over a river. When they added the second bridge for the second track is was down river about 100 yards and at a slightly different angle, making a quite dramatic scene.

Dog Bone 2

Here the dog bone "loops" (upper right and upper left) would be in tunnels under the other trackage. The boring long straight track along long straight edges of the layout could be replaced by sweeping curves.

And then my final thought. On the original design simply replace the loop in the lower left (just past the staging area) with two loops one on top of each other and Walla dog bone layout. The problem with that is the train would have to pass all the way through the layout twice (once in each direction) to get back to the staging yard. Or if you're up to the engineering add a helix and have a layout that can operate as a loop or dog bone layout.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:50 PM
TZ,

It looks simply amazing! I'm impressed beyond my ability to express... and a little lost [:I]

Im not sure I followed the discription you gave on the second drawing in terms of where the tunnels would be, however these are amazing designs!

Once again I can not thank you enough.

Coyote

P.S. Have you ever heard of a program called 3rd PlanIt? I just recently got it and looks very intresting, thought you might be intrested.



QUOTE: Originally posted by Texas Zepher

Here is the dog-bone saga. I did my initial idea (sort of an "E" shape) only to find out there was not enough space to do it maintaining the 24" / 26.25" minimum radius curves. So I just dog-boned the original design (below). I did not find it so interesting. So with a major change in thought I came up with dog-bone two (a most primative version also below). The problem with it is that to get this shape I really had to pinch some of the isles down to two feet. Very crowded, especially if one is trying to show off the trains to a group of people.
Dog Bone 1

The separation of the two tracks at the one point is due to a picture I have where at one point the Santa Fe only had a single track over a river. When they added the second bridge for the second track is was down river about 100 yards and at a slightly different angle, making a quite dramatic scene.

Dog Bone 2

Here the dog bone "loops" (upper right and upper left) would be in tunnels under the other trackage. The boring long straight track along long straight edges of the layout could be replaced by sweeping curves.

And then my final thought. On the original design simply replace the loop in the lower left (just past the staging area) with two loops one on top of each other and Walla dog bone layout. The problem with that is the train would have to pass all the way through the layout twice (once in each direction) to get back to the staging yard. Or if you're up to the engineering add a helix and have a layout that can operate as a loop or dog bone layout.
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Posted by Texas Zepher on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:01 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by grandpacoyote
Im not sure I followed the discription you gave on the second drawing in terms of where the tunnels would be,

Did you know if you click on the picture it gets bigger? When you do that you can see a couple of places where there is a single loop of track that overlaps the double track. It is those two single track loops that would be hidden.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:07 PM
*coughs* [:I] Umm sure yes of course I knew the pic would get bigger *coughs* yeah that's it.. I knew.. that *looks side to side*

Thank you TZ, that helps a lot... sorry about the now silly question

[:)]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Texas Zepher

QUOTE: Originally posted by grandpacoyote
Im not sure I followed the discription you gave on the second drawing in terms of where the tunnels would be,

Did you know if you click on the picture it gets bigger? When you do that you can see a couple of places where there is a single loop of track that overlaps the double track. It is those two single track loops that would be hidden.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:14 AM
Coyote,

one thing I've not seen mentioned is the height of the layout. Usually wiring and other items are located underneath. And being over the hill myself I know it's difficult to work underneath sometimes. Try to make it high enough so you can sat on a short seat and work at a comfortable level for you.

This is from past experience on a large club layout and a home layout also. Also keep main wire runs near the front with feeders back to the track.

I know this is past the track design stage, but needs to be kept in mind as you design. If you can't wire a beautiful section of track or service it, it becomes a static layout.

Good Luck.

Larry NMRA
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:56 PM
Finally figured out 3rd PlanIt a bit...

Here is the area the OL and I have in the garage for the layout (at least potientialy [;)])

The Scale is 1 square = 1 foot.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:00 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry NMRA

Coyote,

one thing I've not seen mentioned is the height of the layout. Usually wiring and other items are located underneath. And being over the hill myself I know it's difficult to work underneath sometimes. Try to make it high enough so you can sat on a short seat and work at a comfortable level for you.

This is from past experience on a large club layout and a home layout also. Also keep main wire runs near the front with feeders back to the track.

I know this is past the track design stage, but needs to be kept in mind as you design. If you can't wire a beautiful section of track or service it, it becomes a static layout.

Good Luck.

Larry NMRA


Larry,

Hello, and thank you for the advice, it is always appreciated. Right now we are looking at the top of the layout being around 46" so the OL can work on and enjoy it, and that was her height limit. All great points though, will add it to my growing list of things to remember/consider.

Peace.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, July 28, 2005 7:18 AM
Good work with the 3rd Planit.

IF you are going with the dogbone, you need more room on the top of the "G" to make your turnaround loop. You can add a foot to the lower section of the top of the G, giving you a 4' x 4' square in front of the laundry area. You could leave just a 2 foot walk-through at that point or you could remove the same amount of space from the cross-bar of the the "G". Of course, it would look better if you rounded the table edges, but I haven't figured that one out yet.

There is also a couple unreachable areas, especially in the lower right. But all the outside walls are 3' and 30" is about maximum comfortable reach. This is a good thing because you can add to the dimensions of the top of the G. With a little added width, you can put a backdrop through the middle of it and have scenes on both sides.

I'm a person who likes to maximize the number of scenes. I would try to get the areas where you walk on both sides as close to 5' wide as I can. Although 3' wide isles are comfortable, I am making my isles 30" so that I can split scenes.

Chip

Building the Rock Ridge Railroad with the slowest construction crew west of the Pecos.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:23 PM
This thread is continued over here: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=58895

for any that are intrested [:)]

Peace.
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Posted by hwolf on Friday, April 21, 2006 11:18 AM
Coyete
I started my layout 21/2 years ago as a new railroader. The best advise I can give you is to purchase a software program which does track plans. The program I puchased was from El Dorado Software ( Ad can be found in Model Railroader). Anyone can use this program as I was also basic on my computer. First it allow you to start by laying out the room itself as well as the benchwork. You then will lay the trackwork including transitions into curves. It makes it fit so you don't have to. If you don't like what you are doing you just change it. after you have your layout complete you will be able to use the dimensions to transfer to the benchwork. My layout is also a Santa Fe going from the High desert inNew Mexico into southern Colorado. By the way I had a ball changing layout on software. It will also allow you to put in senery and buildings.

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