SeeYou190The Orange County Convention Center in Orlando is 7,000,000 square feet, and would cost over $150,000,000.00 to build today.
Per net search $168 mil in 2019 dollars. But what's $18 mil amongst friends?
To make this not a waste of Jared's time, or simply more than an effort in artistic expression of a concept, the viability of the project must be the foremost thought, IMO.
What is the profile of the customer base? Would somebody pay the entrance fee to see the exhibit more than once?
There have been numerous financially failed projects over the years where the whole point was to attract customers to come see...merely see (and offer snacks) what was built. The suspense was a real draw, but once seen, there was not much reason to come back and see it very often.
Disneyland is an amusement park where people ride the rides over and over. The fact that its based upon Disney characters is not the real draw, from a repeat customer standpoint.
The artistic creation is not the draw. Its the engineering of the rides and the price point.
- Douglas
DoughlessDisneyland is an amusement park where people ride the rides over and over. The fact that its based upon Disney characters is not the real draw, from a repeat customer standpoint.
And Disney makes sure to offer new and better rides every year. The new rides keep people returning.
York1 John
York1 Doughless Disneyland is an amusement park where people ride the rides over and over. The fact that its based upon Disney characters is not the real draw, from a repeat customer standpoint. And Disney makes sure to offer new and better rides every year. The new rides keep people returning.
Doughless Disneyland is an amusement park where people ride the rides over and over. The fact that its based upon Disney characters is not the real draw, from a repeat customer standpoint.
And Museum's get new exhibits.
Doughless Would somebody pay the entrance fee to see the exhibit more than once?
Would somebody pay the entrance fee to see the exhibit more than once?
He could play the PT Barnum trick and have a door that looks like it is going to a new area but just dumps patrons out on the street and locks behind them. The only way back in to finish seeing the exhibit was to pay another fee.
Rick
It is not fair to compare Jared's vision with Walt Disney World Resort, or any of the other major theme parks in Orlando.
It is fair to compare it to the second set of parks/attractions in Orlando. The really cool speciallized places people go on the days they are not in the big parks.
There are lots of them, and many have failed. Artegon, Splendid China, Mystery Fun House, Hollywood Hall Of Fame, and so on.
But many have thrived.
A miniature exhibit would probably fit in well with the Believe-It-Or-Not, Titanic Experience, Wonderworks, Machine Gun USA, and other small attractions that really could only exist in Orlando where there is a continuous supply of countless people looking for something to do.
I believe Jared's vision is way too big. It needs to be paired down to something maybe twice the size of the BNSF layout in Chicago at the most.
The new Dezerland Orlando still has empty space, and needs something to attract children. Perhaps this vision would fit into that attraction.
I am still hoping he answers my last few questions.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
Jared the ArtistWhat does my background have to do with it? Are you telling me Walt Disney knew how to draw up the engineering for the rides at Disneyland? Or calculate the electrical plan to power everything?
I'm only asking about your hands-on experience in regards to MMRing. You don't have to be an expert in everything. However, personal experience in some aspects - even in moderate or lesser degrees - would be of benefit in your overall planning purposes and understanding of the entire scope of the project.
That said, your evasiveness to answer even basic questions has convinced me. You may not feel comfortable in answering them here but someone is going to ask them to you face-to-face and expect a convincing answer before considering being involved in a project of this magnitude - either as a participant...or monetarily as an investor.
Lastly, I don't pay sizeable sums of money to see sporting events or entertainment theme parks. So, a $50 or $100 entry fee for me?...Uh, uh. I would FAR more enjoy paying an entry fee into a national park (and enjoy it for a full week) than even a day pass to a place like Disney World.
Tom
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Time...It marches on...without ever turning around to see if anyone is even keeping in step.
tstage Lastly, I don't pay sizeable sums of money to see sporting events or entertainment theme parks. So, a $50 or $100 entry fee for me?...Uh, uh. I would FAR more enjoy paying an entry fee into a national park (and enjoy it for a full week) than even a day pass to a place like Disney World. Tom
Not to get too far off topic, but have you been to Disney World?
It is much more than an "amusement park" of even a collection of them.
Having been there three times in my life, I don't feel much desire to go again unless it is to take some grandchildren, but I'm glad I went all three times.
The best experiances being when we stayed on the property in a Disney resort and literally did not move our car for most of a week.
The scope and scale of Disney is hard to convey to someone who has not been there.
And only a few of the rides are "thrill rides".
I think Kevin is right, there are lots of other, smaller attractions that do well feeding off the large ones in Florida.
Sheldon
Sheldon,
I grew up in FL so, yes - I have been to Disney World a few times. Granted it was before 1980 and the addition of Epcot and the continual expansion of the park itself. It just does NOT appeal to me. I would far rather enjoy the tranquility and beauty of a place like Acadia National Park than the din of Disney World.
To put it somewhat in your vernacular, Sheldon:
National park - DC
Disney World (and the like) - DCC w/sound
There! Now I got it back on topic...
tstage Sheldon, I grew up in FL so, yes - I have been to Disney World a few times. Granted it was before 1980 and the addition of Epcot and the continual expansion of the park itself. It just does NOT appeal to me. I would far rather enjoy the tranquility and beauty of a place like Acadia National Park than the din of Disney World. To put it somewhat in your vernacular, Sheldon: National park - DC Disney World (and the like) - DCC w/sound There! Now I got it back on topic... Tom
Tom,
I undrstand, my wife did not like Disney at all.
My first wife on the other hand would live there if she could.
My oldest child worked there for years.
As I said, I have no desire to go back, but it was worth the experiance.
In all fairness I find nature (at least lush green nature) very beautiful, but am not drawn to outdoor activities like camping, boating, fishing or hiking. I did a lot of that in my teenage years and kind of got my fill. And these days my wife has health issues that prevent her from such activities.
A drive thru the country does me just fine these days, and we live in rural beauty of the Susquhanna River Valley so every day is kind of like a National Park, not to mention the charming little historic river front town we live in, not a bulding over three stories, and parks everywhere.
As to the OP and his plan, I don't know. I will take it seriously when I get the Email about submitting my resume as Project Director.
SeeYou190 Doughless Disneyland is an amusement park where people ride the rides over and over. The fact that its based upon Disney characters is not the real draw, from a repeat customer standpoint. It is not fair to compare Jared's vision with Walt Disney World Resort, or any of the other major theme parks in Orlando. It is fair to compare it to the second set of parks/attractions in Orlando. The really cool speciallized places people go on the days they are not in the big parks. There are lots of them, and many have failed. Artegon, Splendid China, Mystery Fun House, Hollywood Hall Of Fame, and so on. But many have thrived. A miniature exhibit would probably fit in well with the Believe-It-Or-Not, Titanic Experience, Wonderworks, Machine Gun USA, and other small attractions that really could only exist in Orlando where there is a continuous supply of countless people looking for something to do. I believe Jared's vision is way too big. It needs to be paired down to something maybe twice the size of the BNSF layout in Chicago at the most. The new Dezerland Orlando still has empty space, and needs something to attract children. Perhaps this vision would fit into that attraction. I am still hoping he answers my last few questions. -Kevin
Agreed.
I think Disney was originally brought up elsewhere, I was just piggybacking.
But people probably travel to Orlando for the kids. This proposed attraction sounds like it would be interesting to the adults...and really probably just 1 of the two. Now you have huge place that must be supported by only 1 paying head and not 4.
And part of what Jared is proposing, if not the bulk, is the ACCURACY of the places. And if I read it correctly, most of the places are related to the narrow interest of trains.
I wouldn't think that casual fans are much interested in seeing accurate models of train places they have never seen before.
An accurate representation of their home town? Sure, cool..how many home towns do you want to build?
An accurate representation of horseshoe curve? Who would know if its accurate unless you already cared.
If you had pictures of the real places on the wall, say, then built the 3D version complete with moving trains? Maybe.
Its not that it would not be interesting. But how many heads per day are we talking and at what price....once the customer has seen it a few times.
Doughless Casual fans are not interested in seeing accurate representations of things they have never seen before.
Casual fans are not interested in seeing accurate representations of things they have never seen before.
When I first read JTA's initial post, I thought, OK, that would be cool if he modeled Dearborn Station in downtown Chicago. But, how accurate would it be?
I would know, but only because it is the focal point of my current layout, and I probably spent a couple of hundred hours over a 5 to 10 year period looking at photos and diagrams. In fact, let me modestly say that I doubt he could do any better than what I have done.
When family and friends first viewed my Dearborn Station module, they loved it. When I pointed out that it closely replicated the actual area in the 50's, the usual reaction was, oh cool. But that was about it. Heck, I coulda told them it was a scene from Milwaukee or St. Louis or Detroit, and they woulda said, oh cool.
Rich
Alton Junction
richhotrain . . . Dearborn Station in downtown Chicago. I would know, but only because it is the focal point of my current layout, and I probably spent a couple of hundred hours over a 5 to 10 year period looking at photos and diagrams. In fact, let me modestly say that I doubt he could do any better than what I have done. When family and friends first viewed my Dearborn Station module . . .
. . . Dearborn Station in downtown Chicago.
When family and friends first viewed my Dearborn Station module . . .
Hey Rich -
Have you posted photos, sketches, track plans, and whatnot of this layout/module? I don't recall seeing anything. Is there a layout build thread somewhere?
On another, related issue . . . last year, you were working on the LAUPT. Any progress on that? I did some research and piddling (the big cathedral windows), but I was kinda waiting to see what you came up with. Plus, it's HO and there's no place to put such a structure on my layout, but I've never let scale or locale stop me before.
Robert
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ROBERT PETRICK Hey Rich - Have you posted photos, sketches, track plans, and what not of this layout/module? I don't recall seeing anything. Is there a layout build thread somewhere? On another, related issue . . . last year, you were working on the LAUPT. Any progress on that? I did some research and piddling (the big cathedral windows), but I was kinda waiting to see what you came up with. Plus, it's HO and there's no place to put such a structure on my layout, but I've never let scale or locale stop me before. Robert
Have you posted photos, sketches, track plans, and what not of this layout/module? I don't recall seeing anything. Is there a layout build thread somewhere?
More than once, I have considered a layout build thread, but I should have started one back in February 2018 when I began the simultaneous demoliton of the old and construction of the new. I procrastinated back then and missed that opportunity.
Regarding the scratch building of LAUPT (Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal), the replies to that thread that I started a while back have been the inspiration to do it. I intend to, but I will mostly likely defer construction plans until the start of the next layout season for me which will be in November.
What is holding me back is the space need to place LAUPT and its supporting train station track work. My plan is to use the peninsula at the other end of my layout to connect the entire layout to the opposite end of my layout which houses Dearborn Station. Right now that peninsula holds the Engine Servicing Facility for my layout which includes a 130' turntable and 9-stall roundhouse. I plan to sell the turntable and trash the roundhouse to make room for LAUPT.
richhotrain Jared the Artist I'm not wasting my time coming here. Most of you I assume are talented modelers. If someone offered to actually pay you to model, something I'm guessing most of you are passionate about, regardless of the size and scope of the job, would you be that quick to say no? Of course not, but that is not what you have presented so far. If you are suggesting that someone has offered to actually pay you to model a mega layout, this is the first time that you have mentioned that. So, has someone offered to actually pay you to model a mega layout? If so, how experienced are you? Tell us more. If this same thread were started by someone like Lance Mindheim or Gary Hoover or even our own Byron Henderson, we might adopt a more positive view. Jared the Artist What does my background have to do with it? Are you telling me Walt Disney knew how to draw up the engineering for the rides at Disneyland? Or calculate the electrical plan to power everything? Once again, of course not. But, your background does, indeed, have something to do with it. I recall that in one of your replies, you asked if any of us are interested as investors and, if so, to let you know so you can add names to your list. No venture capitalist would hand over money for investment purposes to an entrepreneur without knowing his background, his skill and experience, his financial acumen, his work experience, etc. Jared the Artist For sake of argument, if everything I've talked about existed today, this massive model train world, would you pay to visit it? Even if it was $50 or even a $100 entrance fee? Well, now, that depends. I think that all agree that the concept sounds interesting. But, why not, we are model railroaders. The real question is, would the general public be interested. An admission fee of $50 or $100 is chump change for a vast section of the entertainment hungry public. But, don't forget the associated costs of travel, food and housing, etc. Jared the Artist I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, yet I tried my best to answer as many questions as I could to be friendly, but frankly some of them aren't appropriate to talk about here. So yes, to all those whos questions I didn't answer, yes I actually do have answers to them — I just don't feel comfortable talking about them here with a group of strangers. Granted, but we have already answered your initial question about the printing process for your drawings. Your posts to date have hinted not only at the enormity of the project but also some detail about the content of the project. So, it seems to me that you are looking for more than just an answer to your initial question. In searching back over all of the replies to your original post, I cannot find a single inappropriate question. Jared the Artist However, I do appreciate all of the other opinions I've recieved, regardless if they were positive or negative. I thought a community like the one here was a place I needed to get to know eventually and that I felt when the time comes to build that I could find a lot of great help here. And I think I have :) I challenge your use of the term "negative". Perhaps what you would define as negative is actually constructive criticism, hard love so to speak. As model railroaders, we are naturally skeptical about a lot of things in layout building. When someone comes along with a proposal to dwarf Miniatur Wunderland in Hamburg Germany, everyone else is going to sit up and take notice. Have you ever watched Shark Tank? It is sort of an interesting program that skims the surface of venture capital and venture capitalists. But, when you watch Shark Tank long enough, you could occupy one of the sharks' chairs and ask all the same questions. Who are you? What is your background? How much of your own money have you committed? Do you have other investors? Where is your proof of concept? Are you currently committing your time and effort, 24/7, to this project? Of course, Shark Tank is for amateur entrepreneurs in a way. Usually, the Sharks are asked to committed somewhere between $150,000 and $500,000. The usual products are edibles like donuts and vegan treats or single items like a better towel, a better beer can holder, whatever. You don't see guys like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Richard Branson or Jeff Bezos on Shark Tank. These guys visit big time venture capitalists with a proven concept seeking millions from so-called "incubators". If you are really serious about this mega project, and it sounds like you are, that is where you need to be, not here on a model railroad forum. Don't get me wrong, your project is interesting and even jaw dropping. But we are not the guys to get you started. You need to appeal to the financial risk takers to launch your project into some state of reality. Rich
Jared the Artist I'm not wasting my time coming here. Most of you I assume are talented modelers. If someone offered to actually pay you to model, something I'm guessing most of you are passionate about, regardless of the size and scope of the job, would you be that quick to say no?
I'm not wasting my time coming here. Most of you I assume are talented modelers. If someone offered to actually pay you to model, something I'm guessing most of you are passionate about, regardless of the size and scope of the job, would you be that quick to say no?
Of course not, but that is not what you have presented so far. If you are suggesting that someone has offered to actually pay you to model a mega layout, this is the first time that you have mentioned that. So, has someone offered to actually pay you to model a mega layout? If so, how experienced are you? Tell us more. If this same thread were started by someone like Lance Mindheim or Gary Hoover or even our own Byron Henderson, we might adopt a more positive view.
Jared the Artist What does my background have to do with it? Are you telling me Walt Disney knew how to draw up the engineering for the rides at Disneyland? Or calculate the electrical plan to power everything?
What does my background have to do with it? Are you telling me Walt Disney knew how to draw up the engineering for the rides at Disneyland? Or calculate the electrical plan to power everything?
Once again, of course not. But, your background does, indeed, have something to do with it. I recall that in one of your replies, you asked if any of us are interested as investors and, if so, to let you know so you can add names to your list. No venture capitalist would hand over money for investment purposes to an entrepreneur without knowing his background, his skill and experience, his financial acumen, his work experience, etc.
Jared the Artist For sake of argument, if everything I've talked about existed today, this massive model train world, would you pay to visit it? Even if it was $50 or even a $100 entrance fee?
For sake of argument, if everything I've talked about existed today, this massive model train world, would you pay to visit it? Even if it was $50 or even a $100 entrance fee?
Well, now, that depends. I think that all agree that the concept sounds interesting. But, why not, we are model railroaders. The real question is, would the general public be interested. An admission fee of $50 or $100 is chump change for a vast section of the entertainment hungry public. But, don't forget the associated costs of travel, food and housing, etc.
Jared the Artist I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, yet I tried my best to answer as many questions as I could to be friendly, but frankly some of them aren't appropriate to talk about here. So yes, to all those whos questions I didn't answer, yes I actually do have answers to them — I just don't feel comfortable talking about them here with a group of strangers.
I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, yet I tried my best to answer as many questions as I could to be friendly, but frankly some of them aren't appropriate to talk about here. So yes, to all those whos questions I didn't answer, yes I actually do have answers to them — I just don't feel comfortable talking about them here with a group of strangers.
Granted, but we have already answered your initial question about the printing process for your drawings. Your posts to date have hinted not only at the enormity of the project but also some detail about the content of the project. So, it seems to me that you are looking for more than just an answer to your initial question. In searching back over all of the replies to your original post, I cannot find a single inappropriate question.
Jared the Artist However, I do appreciate all of the other opinions I've recieved, regardless if they were positive or negative. I thought a community like the one here was a place I needed to get to know eventually and that I felt when the time comes to build that I could find a lot of great help here. And I think I have :)
However, I do appreciate all of the other opinions I've recieved, regardless if they were positive or negative. I thought a community like the one here was a place I needed to get to know eventually and that I felt when the time comes to build that I could find a lot of great help here. And I think I have :)
I challenge your use of the term "negative". Perhaps what you would define as negative is actually constructive criticism, hard love so to speak. As model railroaders, we are naturally skeptical about a lot of things in layout building. When someone comes along with a proposal to dwarf Miniatur Wunderland in Hamburg Germany, everyone else is going to sit up and take notice.
Have you ever watched Shark Tank? It is sort of an interesting program that skims the surface of venture capital and venture capitalists. But, when you watch Shark Tank long enough, you could occupy one of the sharks' chairs and ask all the same questions. Who are you? What is your background? How much of your own money have you committed? Do you have other investors? Where is your proof of concept? Are you currently committing your time and effort, 24/7, to this project?
Of course, Shark Tank is for amateur entrepreneurs in a way. Usually, the Sharks are asked to committed somewhere between $150,000 and $500,000. The usual products are edibles like donuts and vegan treats or single items like a better towel, a better beer can holder, whatever. You don't see guys like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Richard Branson or Jeff Bezos on Shark Tank. These guys visit big time venture capitalists with a proven concept seeking millions from so-called "incubators".
If you are really serious about this mega project, and it sounds like you are, that is where you need to be, not here on a model railroad forum. Don't get me wrong, your project is interesting and even jaw dropping. But we are not the guys to get you started. You need to appeal to the financial risk takers to launch your project into some state of reality.
I hate to quote such a long post, but this is SPOT ON.
Jared, you gotta think about this from the standpoint of most of the people here: most of whom have been here longer than I have and have seen many people come (with grandiose plans) and then leave or fade away having accomplished nothing. Frankly, people don't want their time wasted on what seems an impossible task to accomplish. Your reticence at the thought of sharing more information (even bona fides just to show that you have some grounding in what it takes to model railroad) is telling for many of us - and raises immediate red flags. Questions about the size and cost of your venture raise other flags. Surely you expected some skepticism about your dream?
Model railroading is an art that walks the line between dreaming and doing. You have to have some of both. All doers are also dreamers even if only a little, but not all dreamers are doers. The road is littered with people who have come here to pitch grand ideas and burned out before even building benchwork.
Andy
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Milwaukee native modeling the Milwaukee Road in 1950's Milwaukee.
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1) Would I build railroad models for money? Probably not. I worked in the wargame industry for 5 years and it soured me on gaming for 15 years after.2) Would I pay $50 or $100 to see a huge layout? No. Miniatur wunderland has no interest for me; it's not a model railroad, it's a giant toy train, and the difference is important.3) Was Walt Disney an engineer? No, but he had the money IN HIS POCKET to hire serious engineers.
4) 50% of all business startups fail within 5 years.
So far, you have said absolutely nothing to convince me that you have any of the skills necessary to even initate a project of this size. You remind me of the "project" to restore UP 4018; a lot of words, but no skills. Are you an experienced financier? An experienced project manager? A venture capitalist? A model builder? An architect? What skills do you bring to this project? Hearing that you have spent 3000 hours and still don't have something you can show somebody else makes me LESS reassured that you know what you are doing, not more.The burden of proof rests with the affirmative. Convince me.
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Michael Mornard
Bringing the North Woods to South Dakota!
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Jared the ArtistWow, I really appreciate all of the responses. So thank you very much for that ( at least the constructive comments lol). I was afraid to write an entire novel about my project but given all the questions and skepticism I'll do my best to answer them. First off, no I'm not some troll from the past — I am brand new here. I had a die hard addiction to model trains growing up and now that covid shut down everything I do I've literally spent the last year developing this passion project. I started designing it a year ago February and it grew and grew until what it is now. Yes, it is THAT BIG. It scares me how big it is but as an artist I learned long ago that limitations are the death of creativity. Once I removed those limitations such as "it must fit in a _____" and "it must cost less than ___" I was able to let my creativity run wild and I truly believe I've got a multi million dollar design if I could just piece it together. I did an inventory because I needed to document the size, location and trackage length of each area and so yes I have close to 850 sketches. I rented out an exhibit hall at a fairgrounds facility to layout my sketches on the floor and I couldn't even fit half of them in a 60' x 95' room. My theme is " A Tour of North America in Ho Scale". So basically every scenic photo you've seen on instagram/facebook/pinterest/etc I have covered in my design. I plan on turning this into a Theme Park and believe me when I say I have thought about this from EVERY possible angle including building acreage (yes, acreage), location, budget (yes, it's bloody expensive but I've found many ways in dealing with that), technology, manpower, marketing, development, operations and testing, special features and so on. I have a large list of investors and business owners I plan on pitching it to but before I can even get in room with them I know the first thing they will ask is "Well, what does it look like? Show me the layout/design", which goes back to my initial post: How can I scale down this massive design into a map that can fit on a 3' x 4' blueprint or into a digital file that can be projected onto a larger wall mounted white board or any of the other ways I could present my design? Again, I have around 850 hand drawn sketches that I've traced using google maps with colored ink to designate rail lines, roads, waterways, structures, mountain ridges/peaks and so on. They can be scanned into PDF's or JPEG's. Or I can use the sketches as references and crop out sections on google maps or another railway specific map of the locations I'm using and import them into a program and build my design from there. Would CAD even work for such task? This is where I'm stuck. Thanks again for the input, advice, tips :) -Jared
Jared -
If the bolded is the only part of your post that you will accept discussion about, (let me edit it a bit to hone it to the point):
Again, I have around 850 hand drawn sketches that I've traced using google maps with colored ink to designate ...geographical points of interest.....and so on. They can be scanned into PDF's or JPEG's. Or I can use the sketches as references and crop out sections on google maps or another ........ specific map of the locations I'm using and import them into a program and build my design from there. Would CAD even work for such task? This is where I'm stuck. Thanks again for the input, advice, tips :) -Jared
Why is this a question for a model railroading forum?
We know about model trains and what it takes to build them. I doubt that more than 5% of the viewing members on a model train forum have good advice for this specific question, since the task you're trying to tackle with this question isn't really model train oriented.
Doughless Why is this a question for a model railroading forum? We know about model trains and what it takes to build them. I doubt that more than 5% of the viewing members on a model train forum have good advice for this specific question, since the task you're trying to tackle with this question isn't really model train oriented.
Not related to model railroading? I totally see the connection. First, Jared asked a technical question, which is how to develop a design using software. A few responses in the lot were pretty clear about that: Use multiple plans, including a large high level one and detailed ones (either by section or layer).
Apart from the financial and material challenges (BTW, Jared was not asking advice about that), the main challenge is fitting North America in a single, walkable room. It's a trick model railroaders have been doing since day 1 in the hobby: create an illusion, play with proportions, cheat on things like scale, and most importantly, make a selection. I think that this is what Jared has still not grasped totally yet, that is, both the impossibility of doing an exact scaled reproduction of North America, and the techniques that would allow him to create that illusion.
Can Jared pull it off? Not really for me to judge. Is this model railroad related: absolutely!
Simon
Bayfield Transfer Railway Would I pay $50 or $100 to see a huge layout? No. Miniatur wunderland has no interest for me; it's not a model railroad, it's a giant toy train, and the difference is important.
I have never stated this because I thought I was the only one that felt this way. I completely agree.
riogrande5761And more recently from what I've read, more "wokeness" too. <SNIP> It was fun but at this point I think I would be unhappy going to have Disney joining in in the cocophy of woke culture anymore.
OK RioGRande, I am going to try and walk the fine line and stay out of politics for this response.
Walt Disney World Resort in Orlando has a huge problem. They spent years, decades, assembling the best work force in existence. Everyone that worked in WDW resort was dedicated to the "SHOW" and lived the part they played.
My youngest daughter was a cetified Disney Princess for a couple of years, and her fiance was a party coordnator in the resort.
I was a consultant for the equipment repair facilities for a while. Even the guys that repaired the buses were part of the Disney Show, and the show always came first... period.
(*** The employee area signs said safety came first, but everyone knew better)
All these A+ quality employees lost their jobs in the pandemic, and they easily found work elsewhere. Employees that good/valuable do not stay unemployed.
Now Walt Disney World needs to fill these positions, but the cream of the employee pool in Florida that Disney always sought out is gone, and Disney has also lost its reputation of being the very best place to work.
This has forced the Walt Disney World Resort to hire people that they never would have hired before. This will detract from the visitor experience just like you had concerns about.
The spin that Disney is attaching to this change is what you call "woke", but that is not what is driving the change. They did this to themselves. There will never be a direct customer contact work force again of the quality that Disney once had.
Jared the Artist I have several hundred sketches that I planned on scanning and importing into a program to connect them together something like a puzzle. However, I'm having an incredibly difficult time finding a program suitable for the task. I have all the areas I want to build, I just need to figure out how to put them all into an easily viewable digital map. Any ideas?
I have several hundred sketches that I planned on scanning and importing into a program to connect them together something like a puzzle. However, I'm having an incredibly difficult time finding a program suitable for the task.
I have all the areas I want to build, I just need to figure out how to put them all into an easily viewable digital map.
Any ideas?
Yes.
You can do this in Photoshop.
One of the qualities of Photoshop is that it can have layers.
First, of course, you scan your drawings. Then, in Photoshop, you start with a base layer big enough to hold your drawings. You place one drawing each into a new layer (one drawing per layer). You can move each drawing around above the base layer. You can rotate each drawing for alignment. You can re-scale a drawing if necessary.
With all that, you just assemble your digital map to your liking.
Ed
If Jared The Artist does not respond with more information soon, maybe we should let this thread die out.
I think this is a concept worthy of discussion, but we need the OP to direct the conversation.
SeeYou190If Jared The Artist does not respond with more information soon, maybe we should let this thread die out.
I don't really think that a response, or lack thereof, from the OP is a requirement for the "death" of this thread.
If all the rest of us refrained from self-flagellation it would already have passed on.
snjroy Not related to model railroading? I totally see the connection. First, Jared asked a technical question, which is how to develop a design using software. A few responses in the lot were pretty clear about that: Use multiple plans, including a large high level one and detailed ones (either by section or layer). Apart from the financial and material challenges (BTW, Jared was not asking advice about that), the main challenge is fitting North America in a single, walkable room. It's a trick model railroaders have been doing since day 1 in the hobby: create an illusion, play with proportions, cheat on things like scale, and most importantly, make a selection. I think that this is what Jared has still not grasped totally yet, that is, both the impossibility of doing an exact scaled reproduction of North America, and the techniques that would allow him to create that illusion. Can Jared pull it off? Not really for me to judge. Is this model railroad related: absolutely! Simon
The way I read it is like me asking a model train forum how to build dove tail joints to assemble my benchwork. The fact that I'm using the dove tail benchwork for model trains and explain in three paragraphs the reason I'm doing it doesn't really make it a model train forum question. JMO.
I think a more specific forum about digital reproductions and presentations would be a better resource for Jared.
Doughless The way I read it is like me asking a model train forum how to build dove tail joints to assemble my benchwork. The fact that I'm using the dove tail benchwork for model trains and explain in three paragraphs the reason I'm doing it doesn't really make it a model train forum question. JMO. I think a more specific forum about digital reproductions and presentations would be a better resource for Jared.
I have worked with Photoshop for over 13 years, both professionally and personally. From my knowledge and use of it, I felt justified in telling Jared that Photoshop would do the job for him.
You think he should go elsewhere, because he'll get much better advice there than here. That does a swell job of minimizing my opinion.
7j43k Doughless The way I read it is like me asking a model train forum how to build dove tail joints to assemble my benchwork. The fact that I'm using the dove tail benchwork for model trains and explain in three paragraphs the reason I'm doing it doesn't really make it a model train forum question. JMO. I think a more specific forum about digital reproductions and presentations would be a better resource for Jared. I have worked with Photoshop for over 13 years, both professionally and personally. From my knowledge and use of it, I felt justified in telling Jared that Photoshop would do the job for him. You think he should go elsewhere, and, in doing so, ignore my suggestion. One could then wonder if I made a mistake by offering it, just three posts back. Ed
You think he should go elsewhere, and, in doing so, ignore my suggestion. One could then wonder if I made a mistake by offering it, just three posts back.
Not at all. As I said, there are probably no more than 5% on the forum who could help. You could very well be one of the 5%. And maybe my number is too low. Well done.
I was responding to the notion that Jared seems fixed on discussing about 10% of the word count, and only about 10%, of his original post, where he seemed to repeat the other 90% a few posts above to apparently make a point.
I think its okay to discuss anything a person puts in a post. If they don't want to participate in that part of the discussion, that's okay too. And too bad if others do.
Thank you, Douglas, for clearly explaining your position.
7j43k Thank you, Douglas, for clearly explaining your position. Ed
I don't really have a position on the matter.
This thread has taken on some strange vibes to it. Sort of a policing of the discussion when most of the material that was purposely included in the original post, and now repeated, seems like things that shouldn't be discussed.
A read it but don't talk about it vibe.