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Please Help — An unthinkably large Ho Scale system.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:36 AM

I don't know why he needs an accurate track plan to secure funding.

Artist's representations and a financial plan seem more important.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:52 AM

snjroy

Rich, that sounds like the Lion's subway project. Did he not fill the attic of his monastery with his HO subway system? Haven't heard his roar for a while now..

Simon 

Yes, I do recall that. The Lion does come and go, undoubtedly out somewhere right now tracking herds of wildebeests.

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Posted by Doughless on Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:56 AM

SeeYou190

I don't know why he needs an accurate track plan to secure funding.

Artist's representations and a financial plan seem more important.

-Kevin

 

I was going to say that too, at least to start the process and gauge interest.

But I think this step he's taking is part of the artistry of the project.  And it may not cost a lot for OP to do it.

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Posted by ROBERT PETRICK on Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:40 AM

I have a collection of vintage and historical architectural and construction plans (hey, gotta have hobbies other than model railroading), including plans for the Hoover (nee Boulder) Dam and the Eiffel Tower.

The Eiffel Tower plans include about 50 double-folio plates of the actual construction plans that were published by Eiffel himself around 1900. I scanned a few and brought them into AutoCAD. I was able to rectify images from the various plan-, elevation-, and section views, and correct distortions caused by the original publication and subsequent digital scanning processes. CAD allows a technique called 'rubber sheeting' for such purposes. I was also able to correct some obvious errors and misalignments made by the original draftsmen. All easily managed with an ordinary desktop computer and an antique oak drafting table.

It isn't important what I did or how I did it. I'm only saying that it's possible with the right tools and with enough talent and resources. So, my question is . . . is the OP's project as large and as complex as La Tour de 300 Metres?

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Posted by nealknows on Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:52 PM

How many people remember Gullivers Gate in NYC? They had a large display of model trains running from all over the world. Eventually, they went bankrupt. While he sees vision of grandeur, I wonder if it's really worth the time, money and reward?

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Posted by DrW on Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:08 PM

It is terribly difficult to pull a project like this off in a financially profitable manner. I have read the autobiography of Gerrit and Frederik Braun, the masterminds behind Miniatur Wunderland ("Kleine Welt, grosse Traeume" - "Small World - Big Dreams"; so far only available in German). They had many things going for them and caught some lucky breaks.

First, they had already been successful businessmen when they started, having run a disco/nightclub for more than ten years. And they did their homework; they ran a survey asking people on the internet (something quite new in 1993) to rank 40 different attractions in Hamburg (some real, some hypothetical). Among the men, a really large model train layout was #3, among the women, #40 out of 40. Thus, they decided not only to focus on trains, but also on lots of little scenes that have nothing to do with trains. In one of their more recent displays, the Knuffingen Airport, you will be hard-pressed to find the single train-related item (a subway station). Thus, the attraciveness goes much beyond the model railroad afficionado, and makes it more of a family event. 

Among the lucky breaks, they got very quickly their first loan of 2 million Deutschmarks from a single lender (a Hamburg bank), avoiding time-consuming fund-raising events. Second, just at the time when they were trying to start the first phase of the project, the City of Hamburg ran a "revitalization" program for the "Speicherstadt", an area with abandoned, but still structurally (relatively) sound large storage buildings close to the harbor. Part of the program was a tax-exempt status for new businesses in this area for a number of years.

One item not to be discounted is the personal aspect. We are talking here about twin brothers, each one with their personal strengths. One was more the vivionary, the other ran the books. And when there were discouraging moments (and there were a few of them), one brother could pull the other one through the situation.

One last point, in response to all of you who offered to volunteer for Jared's project: the Braun brothers decided against using volunteers, but opted for a paid staff (for many of the positions you do not even have to have modeling or model railroading experience). Their reasoning: If we ask a volunteer to "plant" 20,000 sunflowers, most of them will quit after a few hundreds. If you get paid, you just do your job.

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Posted by The Milwaukee Road Warrior on Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:10 PM

Don't understand the desire to build something this large.  But more power to ya!

"Size matters not!  Judge me by my size do you?"

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:39 PM

DrW

 

One last point, in response to all of you who offered to volunteer for Jared's project: the Braun brothers decided against using volunteers, but opted for a paid staff (for many of the positions you do not even have to have modeling or model railroading experience). Their reasoning: If we ask a volunteer to "plant" 20,000 sunflowers, most of them will quit after a few hundreds. If you get paid, you just do your job.

JW

 

I did not hear anyone volunteer, I offered my professional services (I am an experianced construction project manger, long time model railroader, and previous model train industry professional)

Kevin and Robert both also have professional skills they would bring to this project for reasonable compensation.

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Posted by tstage on Thursday, April 15, 2021 8:10 PM

Call my skeptical...but I think you guys are being fed a ruse...

https://tstage9.wixsite.com/nyc-modeling

Time...It marches on...without ever turning around to see if anyone is even keeping in step.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, April 15, 2021 8:21 PM

tstage

Call my skeptical...but I think you guys are being fed a ruse...

 

Well, I'm not good at guessing what goes on in the minds of other people. I leave that to my wife, the retired mental health professional.

That kind of thinking is not in my make up - I really don't know how to do it - maybe that makes me borderline Aspergers, high functioning austistic, or just lazy when it comes to people.

Ruse or not, that is why I have offered lots of info on "theory" and not tried to directly solve the problem.

That, and I don't have the time to sort thru all this.

But if I had a track plan, in ten minutes I would have a wiring diagram........ maybe that makes me "odd" as well?

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, April 15, 2021 8:53 PM

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But if I had a track plan, in ten minutes I would have a wiring diagram........ maybe that makes me "odd" as well? Sheldon

Okay Sheldon, DC, DCC or ?Smile, Wink & GrinLaugh

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:19 PM

BATMAN

 

 
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But if I had a track plan, in ten minutes I would have a wiring diagram........ maybe that makes me "odd" as well? Sheldon

 

Okay Sheldon, DC, DCC or ?Smile, Wink & GrinLaugh

 

DCC of course, so a computer can run it easily.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:49 PM

DrW
One last point, in response to all of you who offered to volunteer for Jared's project:

I'm not voluntering for anything. I expect to be paid for what I bring to the table.

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Posted by Jared the Artist on Friday, April 16, 2021 12:58 AM
Amazing! Thanks again for all of the responses — I do read every one (although all the stuff about HOA is a bit annoying, no offense). It seems like CAD is the way to go. I will look into that much more in the coming days and possibly connect more with those that mentioned it. Another way to look at it is I'm taking many of the rail lines in North America and just cutting out the fat. But like one guy mentioned, the lines still need to connect onto a new map and form somewhat of a cobweb of rail lines. To answer a few of the other questions... First, in regards to the size of it, I want to give a true representation of todays railroading and to do that I would need to run them at the lengths they are today. A mile long train is around 60 ft. long in ho scale. Many intermodal's run 1.5 miles long or around 90ft. and that doesn't include power. Of course i'll also run shorter locals and shortline freights which might only be 20-30 ft. in length but nevertheless I want to be able to accommodate trains upwards of 100 ft. up and down around 1-2% grades as they exist today and with live loads like coal for example. For example: Portland, Oregon, from the NW portion of the port down just south of UP's Brooklyn yard is around 13 miles. To model that area I would need a little under 800 ft. of length. Then anywhere from 20 to 60 ft. in width that I have mapped out using the streets and/or rail lines that would create the border for the viewer. Basically from UP's line on the west side of the Willamette across the river into downtown. Then where UP's line heads east along highway 84 it would transition into the Columbia River Gorge where it would run on the opposite side of BNSF as it does today. I've mapped out the highlights of the Columbia River Gorge that would equate to about 1,200 ft in ho scale and then the next transition would be going from there into Spokane and then BNSF's line into Glacier National Park. UP would split off from the gorge and then travel across the Joso bridge and by Palouse falls and then disappear from the layout but the tracks would continue and then reappear in Ogden where the line from the Feather River Canyon would merge into it. That's just one example of the entire system. Of course areas in the east would be much shorter giving the density compared to the west. So my system would showcase every class l railroads main routes throughout all of the US and Canada. Each major city would essentially be its own building and then these tunnels/corridors would exist between each building to connect the cites together via the rail lines using the most scenic portions of the track. Columbia River gorge between Portland and Spokane, Feather River Canyon between Sacramento and SLC, Glenwood Canyon between, Provo and Denver, Glacier National Park between Spokane and the oil fields and badlands of North Dakota, New River Gorge between Huntington and Lynchburg, Hudson River between NYC and Albany, NY and so on... But also because I want to model significant portions of cities and landmarks at ho scale. To show someone the Golden Gate bridge spanning 60 ft. of open water. To see the Willis Tower (Sears Tower) 16 ft. up into the air. The exterior then would have 1:8 scale trains that the guests could ride to transport them throughout the theme park should they not want to walk everywhere by foot. I'm estimating the final theme park would encompass roughly 5 square miles. Of course only a small fraction of that space would actually be modeled. All space in between would be used for standard theme park amenities: restaurants, cafes, bathrooms, exhibits and so on. Another reason "Why" is to give people the gift of a sense of road tripping or traveling. So many of us want to see all that North America has to offer yet it's so big and it would take so long to visit every corner. Here you can visit the West Coast, the Rockies, Coals mines of Powder River Basin, Elk Valley and the Appellations, Ore Mines of Wisconsin, along the rivers, gorges, and canyons of the Columbia, Fraser, Thompson, Missouri, Mississippi, Ohio, Allegheny, Hudson and more, the stunning downtowns of Portland, Vancouver, Minneapolis, Chicago, Pittsburgh, NYC, DC, St Lous, as well as the smaller picturesque towns like Galena, IL, Harpers Ferry, WV, La Grande, KY, Strasburg, VA, Chester, VT and so many more. And not just trains! The ports will have operational ships coming and going: Tankers, Bulk carriers, Container ships, Cruise ships and more. Operational Gantry cranes to load and unload containers and transfer them to well cars. Coal and ore loaders that will have live load transfers and a river system that will allow the ships to travel from port to port. Some of the ports included would be Vancouver, Tacoma, Portland, Los Angeles/Long Beach, Savannah and Norfolk. Working airports like the one in Miniatur Wunderland. Louisville's for example to showcase UPS's WorldPort. Racetracks like Daytona and Sonoma with cars actually racing. Basically anything that can be modeled and draw the attention of the audience will be a part of the park. Trains are just the center point. I can already sense folks jumping out of their chairs to tell me how outrageous and impossible this is. The park would be built in phases. At least two connecting cities would be built at a time in order to have trains running back and forth until the entire network is connected and a single train could run from Prince Rupert, BC all the way to Jacksonville, FL. A projected completion around 20 years after the first city begins construction (could be much less depending on the size and quantity of the teams building). Once the first two cities are completed, connected and running, guests would begin attending and revenue would begin to flow. This is not run circles and figure eight's in the basement around 36 inch curves. It's real North America — big, long, and eye opening. It's stand up close and appreciate the detail while also standing back and see mountain peaks towering 50 ft above a moving train. Good golly I just gave you all tiny pitch without even planning to. I could go so much deeper into every facet of the design, system and theme park but I'll save it for now. I just want to help everyone understand a little bit more of the goal I'm trying to accomplish. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step and while I've thought immensely about the steps ahead, the current one of just getting a visual to show is the most important at the moment. Please feel free to leave feedback. Again, I do read every comment and it's all greatly appreciated. Have a great weekend! – Jared
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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, April 16, 2021 4:25 AM

ROBERT PETRICK

There's a 70-acre beanfield behind my house; wide open, flat like a pancake. You'd need to bring a lot of rocks to hold down the four corners of each sheet, but it could be done (and without the expense of renting out an exhibition hall).

Robert 

There you go. I got a better idea. Rent a tractor and carefully plow a huge wheat field, laying out the design of the world's largest model railroad layout. You could rent a drone to film it. Yeah Baby!!!

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Posted by John-NYBW on Friday, April 16, 2021 10:40 AM

richhotrain

I took notice when this guy first posted because I sometimes muse over a 100' x 100' outbuilding in which I could build all six of the large downtown Chicago passenger train stations that flourished in the 1950s and earlier. Each station would include the track leading into and out of the train station. One massive operation.

Just a dream since I don't have the resources to do any such thing.

Rich

 

I had a similar dream to model the Omaha Union and Burlington stations. Both stations were on the south end of downtown and were connected by an overhead concourse that had a bend in it because the tracks of the two stations weren't quite parallel. This project would be made easier by the fact that Walthers Union Station kit is a slightly compressed version of the Burlington Station but otherwise a pretty faithful replica. I'd just build it as a diorama rather than make it part of a layout. The biggest challenge would be the Union Station which is quite ornate on the outside and would need to be scratch built. Like yours, mine will likely never go beyond the dream stage.

Both stations are still standing. Union Station is now home to the Durham Museum while the Burlington Station has been converted to a news studio for the local ABC affiliate. 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Friday, April 16, 2021 10:56 AM

John-NYBW

 

 
richhotrain

I took notice when this guy first posted because I sometimes muse over a 100' x 100' outbuilding in which I could build all six of the large downtown Chicago passenger train stations that flourished in the 1950s and earlier. Each station would include the track leading into and out of the train station. One massive operation.

Just a dream since I don't have the resources to do any such thing.

Rich

 

 

 

I had a similar dream to model the Omaha Union and Burlington stations. Both stations were on the south end of downtown and were connected by an overhead concourse that had a bend in it because the tracks of the two stations weren't quite parallel. This project would be made easier by the fact that Walthers Union Station kit is a slightly compressed version of the Burlington Station but otherwise a pretty faithful replica. I'd just build it as a diorama rather than make it part of a layout. The biggest challenge would be the Union Station which is quite ornate on the outside and would need to be scratch built. Like yours, mine will likely never go beyond the dream stage.

Both stations are still standing. Union Station is now home to the Durham Museum while the Burlington Station has been converted to a news studio for the local ABC affiliate. 

 

For a pretty good while now, based on years of experiance, I have had a good idea of how much layout would satisfy me, how much layout I could handle, and how much would be way too much.

My new layout is a good balance of what will satisfy me and what I can handle.

When house shopping, the wife and I rejected several larger homes, which had correspondingly larger train rooms, we both know our limits.

And I made a sincere effort to meet my layout goals while keeping the layout as simple as possible.

In the end, I did add one more somewhat complex feature I had hoped to avoid to meet my goals.

My real estate agent, who is a friend and long time business associate, was surprised when we looked at the house we purchased and I said, "this basement is big enough", as he knew what the space would be used for.

And will use it all, and be happy I'm not tempted by having more space.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, April 16, 2021 11:41 AM

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For a pretty good while now, based on years of experiance, I have had a good idea of how much layout would satisfy me, how much layout I could handle, and how much would be way too much. My new layout is a good balance of what will satisfy me and what I can handle.

It took me several previous layouts, and decades of helping on other people's layouts, for me to figure out what I could handle and what I need to be satisfied.

I hope I have the plan right!

-Kevin

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Posted by rrebell on Saturday, April 17, 2021 9:56 AM

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Again, so happy to have never lived in a cookie cutter development with house police.

Sheldon

 

 

 

You may know the answer to this.

What is the penalty for somebody not following Historical District requirements?  Can the District put liens on the property until the historical error is remedied?

Since the district is probably controlled by the city/county, they have more power?

 

Depending on the laws there are some places that just fine but other ones that will make you tear it out and repair back to original.

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Posted by rrebell on Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:07 AM

tstage

Call my skeptical...but I think you guys are being fed a ruse...

 

Maybe yes, maybe no. There are people out there that have that kind of money. Out here on the west coast a guy built a very large layout for himself, even with the expencive land we have.  Money attacts money, just the way it is. I used to be in the arts and it is amazing what the right connections can get you if you can sell the idea. Also ultimate project is a far cry from what you start with in idea form. You start with a concept and it evolves to a final form (sculptue 101).

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Posted by rrebell on Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:11 AM

riogrande5761

 

 
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Most HOAs remain just in this maintenance role, but many get out of hand.

 

Within a few months of us moving into our home, the HOA board president moved to FL in early 2018.  Shortly after there was only one board member left and it remained that way until last year sometime.  Reading our by-laws and CCNRs, the board must have at least 3 members so this one board member wasn't legally a board.  Then last fall a few of the residents decided to be board members and declared it so.  No HOA residends have yet to vote them in but the Management Company Recognizes them as the board.  Reading all the docs, my wife and I have doubts any of this is legal.

As it turns out, our next door neighbor we are told is the president.  Now this clown does everything without following the rules.  He is a 15 year old in a 60 year old mans body with a mullet!  For example he was supposed to get permission from the HOA to build his fence on our east property line.  Did he?  No.  While we were still talking to him he admitted to my wife he didn't submit the ARC form or get approval.  Nor did he get HOA approval to build his patio.  And btw we've had water and drainage issues along our side of the fence that we never had prior to the fence being errected.  The HOA rules say fence builder is responsible for any drainage issues caused by the fence.  We'll see.  hm..

Add to that he didn't bother his backside get a county permit to put in a bathroom or bedroom in his basement - he told me so while we were still talking to him.  Nor did he to for his pool in his back yard.  The only reason he put in the fence (without the HOA's approval) was that the county got wind of the pool and threatened to fine him if he didn't install the fence, as is required in many places for neighborhood child safety.  Later , he installed a shed 1 foot off our property line and the County code says it has to be at least 5 feet.  The guy is breaks every rule and yet he is the HOA president?  Anything wrong with this picture.  But our now HOA manager doesn't seem bothered by this at all.  SMH  It's like the wolf guarding the hen house.  For the past year he has constantly bocked our garbage bins with his too many cars such that we have left them out to hold a spot, which is puts us in violation of the rules but the only way we could get our trash emptied.  HOA managment company tells us its a personal problem yet it prevents us from consistently getting our trash picked up.

We read that in Virginia that for a person to be an HOA board member, they have to be in "good standing".  I read that means they are not in arrears with their HOA dues AND they are following the HOA by-laws and CCNRS etc.  This guy ignores the rules and his modus operandi is it's better to ask forgiveness than permission.  I also know the vice president last we talked to him, wants the HOA to overlook the big BBQ trailer in his driveway, which is also against the rules.  These clowns want to get a free pass while the rest of us get hammered.  Our neighbor on the other side went to put her house on the market and she was hit with 20 violations.  Some we learned later were not actually HOA violations - like the roof. They expected her to pressure wash her roof, but when we talked to a professional pressure washer he said he would never do it, it would damage the shingles.

The management company was supposed to be doing yearly inspections but they weren't.  Seems to me that is a neglect of duty, all the while they were collecting dues from us.

It's just one BS thing after another since this HOA woke up from the dead in the past few months with a new rogue board.  The management company community manager was extremely rude to my wife when she inquired what happened to our ARC form seeking to build a fence on the other side of the property which sent in last June.  Apparently they lost it.  But the woman was very nasty on the phone and it was the first contact we ever had with her.  We are told she has been removed as over our communty now, but she was the person who did the house sale inspection on our neighbor and wrote too many violations.  The next door neighbor ended up taking her house off the market and we are helping her to catch up on some exterior remediations while do work on our home exterior.  We are anticipating the HOA anual inspection (which hasn't been done for probably 3 + years due to the HOA being comotose for that long.  It's a total crap storm.  HOA's are simply evil organizations and often self serving.

The only real solution seems to hire legal counsel and go after the HOA, but we are bleeding money what with exterior house fixing up for the bloody HOA, my daughters wedding and other things.

 

You can force the city, county or state to inforce their laws, or they will tell you how to get it done like where to report and how.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:19 AM

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Again, so happy to have never lived in a cookie cutter development with house police.

Sheldon

 

You may know the answer to this.

What is the penalty for somebody not following Historical District requirements?  Can the District put liens on the property until the historical error is remedied?

Since the district is probably controlled by the city/county, they have more power?

 

Depending on the laws there are some places that just fine but other ones that will make you tear it out and repair back to original.

Down here things get really wonky. There are not many historical buildings down here, but there are a handfull here and there.

There is apparently a contradiction in the rules. If a historical building gets damaged by a hurricane, one set of rules require it to be kept original, and another set of rules require repairs to be updated to specific storm codes.

How do situations like this get resolved? My gut feeling is that the building should be repaired close to original, but include storm resistant updates.

I understand very little about historical desginations. One of the historical buildings in Fort Myers sat where a road needed to be widened, so it was purchased by the City and moved at high taxpayer expense. Now it sits in its new spot empty and unused.

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Posted by mobilman44 on Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:23 AM

Good grief.......... I can't fathom how someone with only two (2) posts can generate so much response from us.  Those of us who are Forum "old timers" have seen this before, but it always takes us time and energy to catch on to the "ruse" or "blue sky" thinking.  

 

ENJOY  !

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:47 AM

mobilman44

Good grief.......... I can't fathom how someone with only two (2) posts can generate so much response from us.  Those of us who are Forum "old timers" have seen this before, but it always takes us time and energy to catch on to the "ruse" or "blue sky" thinking.   

Yep, it is always a newbie with that 1st post.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:54 AM

mobilman44
Those of us who are Forum "old timers" have seen this before, but it always takes us time and energy to catch on to the "ruse" or "blue sky" thinking.  

I don't think it is a ruse so much as the blue sky alternative.

I was honestly hoping for some good details about the plan. Maybe Jared will visit us again.

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:59 AM

SeeYou190

Maybe Jared will visit us again.

Maybe.  Then, again, maybe not.

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Posted by rrebell on Saturday, April 17, 2021 4:17 PM

I am very good ot dealing with historical issues. Had the architect for the hysterical (mispelled on purpose) commission walk out of committee because I won getting white storm windows on a project (good thing as they were already ordered). Had a historical building declaired non historical do to wording in the governing papers (should have been a lawyer). The papers said that a particular house was not historic because it had 4 windows replaced so I had the owner pull a standard permit for window replacement and we did the job on a Saturday. Got rid of palm trees due to them being declared grass under federal rules even though it was against local rules  on cutting down trees, no rules on cutting grass. There were of course other fun stuff (kinda of miss that kind of thing), even once stopped a mulitmillion apt complex from being build (till I left town).

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Posted by Jared the Artist on Wednesday, April 21, 2021 9:26 PM
Hello again, I'm quite frustrated. I made another big response and yet like five days later it still hasn't posted... I might make a couple more random replies to get out of this "probation" period or however it's called and then start another thread just so that I can reply more regularly and hopefully without all the HOA nonsense. Everyone who's replying purely about HOA stuff is taking eyes off my topic and then other readers wont continue reading because it's off topic. I wouldn't continue reading myself. I'll answer your questions when I'm free to do so. Jared
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Posted by ROBERT PETRICK on Thursday, April 22, 2021 10:45 AM

Jared the Artist
Hello again, I'm quite frustrated. I made another big response and yet like five days later it still hasn't posted... I might make a couple more random replies to get out of this "probation" period or however it's called and then start another thread just so that I can reply more regularly and hopefully without all the HOA nonsense. Everyone who's replying purely about HOA stuff is taking eyes off my topic and then other readers wont continue reading because it's off topic. I wouldn't continue reading myself. I'll answer your questions when I'm free to do so. Jared

Yes, the HOA business is nonsense and a complete distraction. But not entirely unexpected.

I'd suggest you start by establishing your bona fides. No, we don't need to see your D&B rating or copies of your tax returns or bank statements; but those would certainly help. Sincerity and commitment are easy to spot; bovine excrement is even easier.

You say you plan to dwarf the Miniatur Wunderland. You say a 60- by 95-foot building would not hold half your drawings. You say you have about 850 drawings. Fine. Show me twenty.

Robert

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Posted by York1 on Thursday, April 22, 2021 10:52 AM

Jared the Artist
Hello again, I'm quite frustrated. I made another big response and yet like five days later it still hasn't posted... I might make a couple more random replies to get out of this "probation" period or however it's called and then start another thread just so that I can reply more regularly

That sounds like a great idea.  Every one of us went through the same time of "probation".  Just keep posting and you will soon be able to post things normally.

York1 John       

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