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Version 5 of The CB&Q in Wyoming

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, June 4, 2022 7:10 AM

Mark, another great video and your usual sartorial splendor.

Regarding the skirting, I would encourage you to do it. And, I would recommend pleating for a more professional, finished look. To avoid trapping air under the layout, leave a small opening at the bottom of the skirt, maybe 4" to 6". The gap won't even be noticeable for the most part.  

You may already have been asked this, or provided an answer to this, but as an alternative to foam, why did you not simply form chicken wire. The end result will be gorgeous when you are done, no doubt, but just wonder what prompted you to clear out the Owens-Corning warehouse. Laugh

At this point in the construction process, I am simply overwhelmed by the enormity of the project and the layout itself. You are in a part of the hobby with which I am not familiar.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, June 4, 2022 12:05 AM
Gidday Mark, Her-in-Doors and I have just enjoyed another of your great updates. We look forward to them.
Regarding the locomotive numbering. I don’t know what BLI used but at a guess it would be one of the Railroad Roman fonts.
I down loaded this one sometime back, Railroad Roman 1916.
I tried to get a close up of the locomotive for proper comparison but it got far too blurry.
Anyhow…
5503 5508
And in bold…
5503 5508
Cheers, the Bear.Smile
 
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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, June 3, 2022 10:36 PM

Another great video Mark! Thanks for the update.

Dave

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, June 3, 2022 4:19 PM

Thanks for the feedback, everyone!

Rich, the skirting in the photo is about 5" off the floor. I was thinking it looked like I was waiting for a flood or something, but you make a good point about mustiness under the layout.

Ray, I've got so much stuff under the layout I thought the skirting would improve the appearance. Maybe not - maybe I'll just paint any exposed benchwork (legs and braces, mostly), and see how that looks.

Dave, pleats sounds like a lot of work, and that material isn't cheap. Even on sale at 40% off, it was about $7 a yard. Maybe I'll try Bear's idea with black sheets. They can't be any more expensive (unless I buy the silk ones).

3 June 2022

I just posted my latest layout update video:

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Posted by "JaBear" on Sunday, May 29, 2022 5:47 AM
Gidday Mark, on the exhibition modules we used black cotton sheets, that were attached, after a couple of false starts (velcro was one) by bulldog clips that were screwed on the inside of the frame work. The black sheets were there not only to look tidy but also to keep stuff stored under the layout out of sight from “light fingered hands”.  The bulldog clips were a quick method of fitting and removal during the set up and take down exercises.
 
Amost ready Ham 13 by Bear, on Flickr
 
That said, I’m not convinced that you actually need skirts!
 
As I’ve said before, if I did ever get the chance to visit, my eyes would be drawn to the layout, though I guess it could be interesting seeing what interesting “goodies” you’ve got stashed under the layout!LaughLaugh
 
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Posted by hon30critter on Sunday, May 29, 2022 12:39 AM

richhotrain
You might also consider pleating the skirt to make it look more professional.

Hi Mark,

I agree with Rich. Unfortunately of course, making the pleats will take three times the material. One of the disadvantages of not having pleats is that there isn't a lot of 'give' to the material. If something pushes against it, like a human leg for example, the material will quickly be pulled tight. That may cause the fabric to come loose, and it might jiggle the benchwork enough to derail a train.

I would also make a couple of other suggestions:

First, do it in 3' or 4' sections. That will make it much easier to move the skirting aside to retrieve something.

Second, I would mount it with velcro on the front of the fascia. That will make it very easy to remove and re-install when needed (like when scenicing). Hemming the edges would make the material look better and last, but if you don't have a sewing machine, you could get a local alterations shop to hem the fabric, do the pleats and install the velcro all at the same time.

My 2 Cents

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Posted by Colorado Ray on Saturday, May 28, 2022 6:00 PM

Hi Mark,

Might just be my personal preference, but I've never liked skirting.  Better to not hide stuff under the layout and have an open clean look. 

Your canyon scene is going to be awesome!  I'm looking forward to your next monthly update in a couple of days.

Ray

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, May 28, 2022 8:48 AM

Pruitt

Mostly I've continued work on the canyon, but on the 19th I picked up some fabric from Hobby Lobby and created part of a skirt under Casper. Other than all the wrinkles, what do you think? I need some feedback on whether this is worth doing.

Mark, a couple of thoughts on skirting your layout. 

When I did mine in a climate controlled basement, my wife complained that it trapped air under the layout creating a musty smell. I never noticed it, but she did. So, you might think of some way to vent it. Maybe don't let it quite reach the floor. That may have been my problem.

You might also consider pleating the skirt to make it look more professional. If you use Google Images, type in 'pleated skirt model railroad layout' and you will see some nicely done pleated skirts.

Rich

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Posted by Pruitt on Saturday, May 28, 2022 8:27 AM

That's weird. I know I put it in...

Oh well, I went back and edited it in.

Thanks for letting me know!

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Posted by hon30critter on Saturday, May 28, 2022 3:47 AM

Hi Mark,

The canyon is coming along nicely.

I don't see the picture of the cloth skirt in your post.

Dave

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, May 27, 2022 12:46 PM

hon30critter
That's impressive Mark!

Dave

Thanks, Dave!

27 May 2022

Mostly I've continued work on the canyon, but on the 19th I picked up some fabric from Hobby Lobby and created part of a skirt under Casper. Other than all the wrinkles, what do you think? I need some feedback on whether this is worth doing.

Back to the canyon, On the 20th I began hacking away at the stacks of poam with a hot wire cutter. This eliminates most of the square corners. This is the wall between the two southernmost tunnels.

After finishing with the hot wire cutter I went after the foam with a Surfoam tool. That tears out small bits of foam and roughens the surface, giving the plaster something to grab on to. Here I'm working above the second tunnel from the south entrance to the canyon, identified as Tunnel 4 on the prototype (The southernmost tunnel is Tunnel 5, simply called "Black Tunnel" by the train crews, because of the color of the rocks).

That Surform tool sure leaves a mess on the floor!

By the 25th I applied all the plaster cloth I had on hand. Here's how it looks now:

All the horizontal steps you see in the plaster cloth will be eliminated when I apply plaster over the surface and begin carving rocks, which will cover most of what you see here.

I have 50 lbs of hydrocal on order, due to arrive about 1 June. While I'll cast some rocks, most will be carved by hand to approximate what's actually in the canyon. I anticipate going through a lot of Xacto blades!

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 11:26 PM

That's impressive Mark!

Dave

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Posted by Pruitt on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 10:16 PM

Thanks tankertoad135! I try to maintain a decent level of production standards.

17 May 2022

The last few weeks I've spent almost entirely on the Wind River Canyon. I got a second shipment of plaster cloth (two rolls this time) and added a second layer to what I'd already done. Can't really see much difference, but I think it stiffens things up more. That will be important when I start hanging rock castings all over the place.

I also ordered 50 lbs. of hydrocal to make the rocks.

By the 10th I had part of wall behind the tracks north of the first tunnel, Tunnel 5 (called Black Tunnel, presumably because of the rock color, by BNSF train crews), is being stacked. To the right in this shot Tunnel 4 is being framed in.

Here's another view of tunnel 4.

By the 13th the canyon looked like this. The wall between Black Tunnel and Tunnel 4 is almost full height, and work is beginning north of Tunnel 4.

Here's the canyon as of today, May 17 just after noon, from near the end of the peninsula. I've worked my way all the way north to where the third tunnel will start in the distance. Note that I started stacking the foam in an open cribbing style north of the flat sloping sheets of foam. Saves a lot of material.

 

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Posted by tankertoad135 on Friday, May 6, 2022 10:31 AM

Once again Mr. Pruitt, the quality of your videos is superb and your monthly updates are a big hi-light for me as I anticpate each new update! Cowboy

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Posted by "JaBear" on Thursday, May 5, 2022 5:31 AM

Pruitt
Bear, what about the beer?!? You didn't mention the beer!!!! I look a lot better after you've had one or two... or fourteen.

14!! These days I reckon I’d be talking Braille by ½ a  dozen!!!!ConfusedConfused 
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Posted by Pruitt on Wednesday, May 4, 2022 10:50 PM

Thanks Bear, Rich, Douglas, Dave, John!

Bear, what about the beer?!? You didn't mention the beer!!!! I look a lot better after you've had one or two... or fourteen.

Rich, you had me laughing out loud. I'm twice as good as Michael Jackson - I had a glove on each hand!

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Posted by York1 on Wednesday, May 4, 2022 1:51 PM

I really love your videos, Mark.  Keep up the great work!

York1 John       

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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, May 4, 2022 12:17 PM

Doughless
Great video Mark.  I enjoy watching your progress.

Ditto!

Dave

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Posted by Doughless on Wednesday, May 4, 2022 9:40 AM

Great video Mark.  I enjoy watching your progress.

- Douglas

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, May 4, 2022 6:22 AM

Mark, this is clearly your best video yet.

Outstanding opening, worthy of an Oscar for Best Short Film. Your elegant attire was suitable for an appearance at the Met Gala. I was waiting to see one of the Kardashian girls on your arm. But, the real showstopper was the appearance of the Michael Jackson glove at 0:40 of the video. If only you had done the Moon Walk!

Let's see now. What am I forgetting? Oh, the layout. A fantastic work in progress, as usual!

Rich

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Wednesday, May 4, 2022 5:03 AM

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Posted by Pruitt on Tuesday, May 3, 2022 6:23 PM

Thanks Dave!

I just posted my latest update video:

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, April 22, 2022 12:07 AM

Pruitt
Work has progressed on the Wind River Canyon. Over the last few days I've built up the south end of the canyon to it's final height:

Hi Mark,

That canyon is going to be impressive!

Dave

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Posted by Pruitt on Thursday, April 21, 2022 6:13 PM

Rich, I'll see what I can do!

21 April 2022

Work has progressed on the Wind River Canyon. Over the last few days I've built up the south end of the canyon to it's final height:

Obviously this is just the rough base. Next I'll carve out the basic shapes of the mountains in this area before I proceed northward though the rest of the canyon.

I also tested the tunnel, of course. I had to do a bit of foam trimming on the inside where a bit of foam was too close to the tracks. Here's a close up of my largest locomotive, a Santa Fe type, exiting the tunnel towards Thermopolis.

No doubt about it - I have to get that bell replaced!

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, April 16, 2022 5:32 AM

Pruitt

Rich, if they weren't so darned expensive, you'd see me occasionally in bib overalls with appropriate gloves on too.

Mark, you gotta do it. You really need to go for that look in order to get those videos nominated for Best Short Film. If need be, I could start a GoFundMe account for your benefit. Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, April 15, 2022 8:48 PM

Thanks Ray, Bear and Rich!

It'll be a long time before all that benchwork is covered!

Rich, if they weren't so darned expensive, you'd see me occasionally in bib overalls with appropriate gloves on too.

15 April 2022

This past week I've been laying the groundwork (ha ha) for the scenery between Powder River and Shobon, and into the south end of the Wind River Canyon.

Here's the carved foam for the former, waiting for plaster cloth and plaster:

And here's the bare beginnings of the canyon. I wanted a solid foundation for the towering foam-based canyon walls, so I attached 3/4" oak plywood to the benchwork.

I used the oak plywood because I have quite a few 6" X 4' strips left over from the library bookcase project. Didn't know what I was going to do with them, but fortunately I couldn't bring myself to just discard them. Now a few have a new purpose in life - supporting the rock walls of the Wind River Canyon.

And I glued down the first few layers of foam in the area. This is slow going, since I want to carve in the basic shape of the canyon walls as I go. I'm waiting on the arrival of a 4" hot wire cutter I ordered from Micro Mark a few days ago. The curve closest to the camera will be partially in a tunnel.

And what kind of tunnel portals will these tunnels have, you ask? 

Well, I built one almost 40 years ago(!), when I lived in Kent, Washington. When I moved out of that house, my niece was carrying the tunnel portal, and turned around and banged it smack into a stair railing. The whole thing came apart of course, but I saved all the pieces and now, 35 years later, I'm reassembling it to use on the current layout. It's not quite done yet. The wing wall will be removed, and I still have to reinstall the left hand buttresses. Should be finished by tomorrow evening. But here's where it's at right now:

Here's one of the real portals in the canyon. All the portals in the canyon are similar. A couple others look more like the one I'm reassembling. Hopefully you can see the resemblance.

In the early 2000's most of the portals were replaced or significantly reworked with steel, but one or two are still mainly timber construction. This photo is one I took in 1990.

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, April 8, 2022 6:27 AM

Another great video, Mark. I particularly liked the opening with you wearing that railroad workman's cap. It is good to see that you are stylin' while you are mod'ln.

Rich

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Posted by "JaBear" on Thursday, April 7, 2022 11:07 PM

tankertoad135
As usual, superb video Mark!  As previously stated, your videos are definitely not too long and very entertaining and helpful.  I always look forward each month to see your updates

Yep, and Her-in-doors agrees!

Cheers, the Bear.Smile

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Posted by Colorado Ray on Monday, April 4, 2022 7:19 PM

Mark, your benchwork is beautiful.  Too bad it will be hidden by scenery!

 

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Posted by Pruitt on Monday, April 4, 2022 5:52 PM

Thanks for the compliments Dave and Don!

Good observation on the driver wobble, Dave. When I take the loco back out of the box again (assuming I ever do) I'll look at that first thing. You know, I get out of bed to avoid aches and pains. I figure I need to put in the time I can now, because in five or ten years it'll be a lot more difficult to do.

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