The North Bank road in N scale 4' x 6' layout

[Burlington Northern #24]

Ok, I'll also do some checking around. also Elliots trackside diner will have a spot on my layout somewhere too! 

Ok, I will put that on an SP&S dome car! 

[Burlington Northern #24]

just an update on the layout or atleast the bench work part of it, I will be getting 4" x  4" x 8' boards for the legs and will get 1" x 2" x 8' for powerpack/control panels.I was also considering getting a 2' x 4' to use as an extension or something. not sure yet though, the 2' x 4' would have stored trains, and would've been unscenicked. 

my sister and brother bought me a late birthday present, it is an assembled Model power building the "blue coal depot" I'm thinking of converting it to a pulpwood plant or woodchip plant so I could get some woodchip gondolas and have that as a switchable industry.

[alco_fan]

Burlington Northern #24

4" x  4" x 8' boards for the legs

That is way overkill, will be expensive heavy and hard to cut. Angled braces are what makes the legs sturdy. You can use 2"x2" or L Girder, just add the braces.

[Burlington Northern #24]

so at 8 bucks a piece, and simply cutting them in half is hard and expensive?

It's better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. 2" x 2" are too flimsy, the ones that were under my layout collapsed even with bracing. 

[alco_fan]

Burlington Northern #24

2" x 2" are too flimsy, the ones that were under my layout collapsed even with bracing. 

Then they were not secured correctly.

I support 2'X8' sections on L Girder legs made of two 1X2s each. Light, cheap, stay straight.

The issue is not the size of the lumber, but how it is attached and secured.

Good luck.

[Burlington Northern #24]

I will admit that they weren't secured correctly but I hadn't gotten the time to reinforce them. the 4 x 4 x 8's will be attached and secured with metal L braces.

[zstripe]

Gary,

I don't want to sound like a donkey,,,,,but I agree with Alco_Fan,,,,you're setting yourself up for another,collapse...

Good Luck..

Frank

[alco_fan]

These are the kinds of braces that work best. (except for the long diagonal one across the center of the benchwork. That is superfluous.)

Not these:

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I am out.

[Burlington Northern #24]

yes, those were my intent with the current legs but I wasn't fast enough to do that. How stable are layouts with those kinds of reinforcement.

[Burlington Northern #24]

Ok, after examining my layout I may have found a way to mount the new legs(once I get them and cut them). Also the layout will be mounted on wheels(with brakes just in case) any reccomendation for wheels/rollers? 

The office will be receiving a new floor and a layout on wheels will not scuff up the new floor.

[zstripe]

Gary,

When you receive your issue of July MR,,,study the layout,,Great Northern in N-Scale,and read about his bench work,,,,He built it the same way that Alco_Fan showed you in his diagram,L-girder,braces with 2x2 legs,,that should answer your question,about how sturdy it will be,,,,,the layout is 10ftx11ft...

Good Luck

Frank

[Burlington Northern #24]

I've seen it but my layout will not be propped against the wall. I will do L braces once I have my own house and can build a massive layout. that layout will be 3 feet deep max, and there will not be a divider.

[zstripe]

Gary,

The ''Braces'' are the ones on the legs,,,,called sway braces,,,,the L,shapes,are called ''Girders'',for structural strength...and being against the wall has nothing to do with how sturdy it is ...It can be free standing,with that design also...

Cheers,

Frank

[zstripe]

Brian,

Yes,Brian, that is a good start,,,,hopefully!!,,,,,someone will listen..As for me,,I QUIT...

Have A Good One,,

Cheers,

Frank

[Burlington Northern #24]

that now means that I have to get new lumber.... and build a whole new bench..... 

[JoeinPA]

Burlington Northern #24

Ok, after examining my layout I may have found a way to mount the new legs(once I get them and cut them). Also the layout will be mounted on wheels(with brakes just in case) any reccomendation for wheels/rollers? 

The office will be receiving a new floor and a layout on wheels will not scuff up the new floor.

Gary:

Here are some to look at: http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZc29f/h_d2/Navigation?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053&searchRedirect=casters&redAB=A.

Joe

[Burlington Northern #24]

BrianinBuffalo

It was only a thought.....I did not mean to upset anyone.  

I'm not upset, I think the other two are. I said it before and I'll say it again in order for credibility to be earned work must be shown that's why I got stubborn with them. As I thought about benchwork more and more today I came up with an idea.

JoeinPA thank you!!

[zstripe]

My credibility didn't,,,collapse,,,,Your's did,,,,Just tried to help you...nuff said on the matter.. Still i will say Good Luck TO YOU..

Cheers,

Frank

[Burlington Northern #24]

zstripe

My credibility didn't,,,collapse,,,,Your's did,,,,Just tried to help you...nuff said on the matter.. Still i will say Good Luck TO YOU..

Cheers,

Frank

my layout collapsed because I tried to move it and it didn't want to move. credibility is photos' and/or other stuff that give people a general idea of what people've done. I'm not ruffled about you, and I'm not ruffled about him, I'm sick of being told what to do or how to do something by others who's work I've yet to see. I've found a solution to my benchwork woes and will be taking care of it immediately with ideas gleaned from Alcos picture, brians video, and your supporting of Alcos post's as well as a combination of something one of my fellow family member told me I ought to try. That'll keep the layout upright, light, and easy to move.  

my apologies.