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1st Layout, Looking for some advice

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Posted by NorthCoast RR on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:29 PM

Thanks for your input, I am 6'3" tall, and I have thought of that. I am young enough where bending in and crawling doesnt hurt yet, but, I am going to need to work in that space as well. So, I was thinking about it being about 4 foot tall, but that is just a speculation right now. I want to make the height good for viewing as well.

 Any suggestions on height level? Given that me having to crawl in there is not an issue, but the one who will be enjoying it most is me.

  • The mud room is pretty mud free actually...even though I live on a 300 cattle ranch in the Pacific Northwest. We have two front doors on our porch, one to the mud room, and the other to the kitchen. It is more of a pantry for us and a place for us to kick off our boots, and then walk in the kitchen. The wife has 'given' me that room, so I am comfortable with governing its use. The only thing I am concerned with is the humidity in my area. Also, we are 'just married' and no kids as of yet.

 The great news is that this evening I completed all 4 sections of my layout bench work. I have 2, 2'x66" pieces, and 1, 1'x3' piece along with 1 18"x3' piece. tomorrow I will create some legs.

 So, I have 2 questions:

  • any ideas on a good viewing and operation height? As stated, I am 6'3", and the sole person building it, and the one who gain the most enjoyment.
  • This is jumping ahead, but I live in a rural area, and I can not find a dealer less then 90 miles away who sell either pink or blue insulation material. Are there any alternatives? should i just plan my lay out off the supports? like cut plywood to a bit larger then track width? like the L girder method?  

Thanks again for your help

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:25 PM

 With your 6x9 you can do more than you think while you plot to take over more basement.  I started with 4x4 in N gauge and quickly went to 8x8 in Ho and eventually bridged to another 7x10 section.  Always looking for ways to expand Big Smile. While some don't like under a certain radius, it all depends on what you plan on running.  I run 22 inch min radius and have everything from MP15Dc switchers to GP40's, SD70Ace's, AC6000's and a recent Y6B steamer and run without any problems.  It's your little railroad and you can do what you want with it.  I would suggest that you paint the walls a sky blue color as a minimum unless you are putting in a backdrop.  The light colors will make the room look larger and make any pictures stand out better.

Good Luck with it.

Springfield PA

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Posted by odave on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:08 PM

If a liftout section is not possible or too difficult, I would set the layout height as high as possible to make the duck more of a "nod".   Try to mock up a test shelf at varying heights and see how bad the duck is vs reach across the shelf.  You could also turn it into a "roll under" by getting one of those stools on casters that doctors seem to have.

I was wondering how much "mud" gets in your mud room, as well as how much family traffic goes in and out.  Dirt and accidents (I'm picturing my 7th grader's book bag) could be detrimental to the layout.

Have fun!

--O'Dave
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Posted by NorthCoast RR on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:40 PM

Thanks so much for your reply. I just wanted to see if any one had some input on the feasiblity of my duck under layout. I can have 9 sq ft in the middle, amybe a little more, and still get a 24" outside radius and a smaller yard for swtiching. I also figured out a way to service a few industries. I am having trouble on the inside radius for the parallel track, but I am working on it. I may just start with the oval and build from there. I would like to be able to experiment with scenery, as this is my first layout, and this will give me the ablity to have about 4 unique areas. I really wanted as realistic operation as possible, and that just was not going to happen with a 4x8. and I am just under 6ft x 9ft...I think I can make a pretty darn nice layout, at least a nice 1st layout. Thanks again!

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Posted by selector on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:22 PM

If it were me, I'd do it as you describe.  I don' like low radius curves, which for me would be less than 26".  I was also granted a corner of our basement.  I would have needed curves down to about 24" had I made anything except my central operating pit surrounded by four rectangular modules bolted together.

I could do without the duck-under, to be frank, but it is a small price to pay in order to enjoy being surrounded by a layout with scenery and sweeping curves.  With some thinking, you can still have a rudimentary switching and storage yard, and even maybe some temporary shelving to serve as a staging element.  And with the space you describe, you can have a small urban setting and some industrial servicing. 

Just take your time and work out the details.  Think of curves and inner tracks parallel and what that will mean to the inner radius.  Frog angles will be important, but I'll bet you could use #6 turnouts easily, and they will handle virtually any engine you can find, except maybe a 10-coupled expensive brass steamer.

It must be an exciting time for you! Big Smile

-Crandell

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1st Layout, Looking for some advice
Posted by NorthCoast RR on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:51 AM

Hi, this is my first post, and I would like to start by saying Really appreciate all the great things I have read on this forum prior to this post. That being said, I have a space limitation. I have a 10'x13' room, with two walls occupied, one with closets, and the other is a required walk way through the room. It is a 'mud room' with 2 entry points.

I have decided I can squeeze in about a 5.5'x9' layout in there, but it has to be cornered. I had initially though 4'x8', but after reading here and other places, i realized I would not be able to get the type of operation that I had desired.

This is what I am shooting for:

  • HO Scale
  • Operation, I would like to have a switching yard and a few industries
  • Continuous operation...I want to see my trains go
  • Going to be freestyle, but I want to model the 50's, 60's...Diesel.
  • North Coast Railroad, now defunct, but that is my line, was a lumber orientated railroad.
  • Industries I am thinking of will be timber related, not a logging RR though.

Ok, I know I have space limitations, but i was thinking of doing a donut layout...similar to the 'Heart of Georgia Rail Road". I can make a 36" square in the middle of my layout, or even a bit bigger. I Can crawl under, no physical limitations...this would give me easy access to every section of the layout, since it needs to be in a corner. I can make the long side the narrow side and still have 24" radius turns on the outside. My initial plan was the Atlas 'Trunk Line", and I have used there software to c reate a comparable layout on a 5.5x9' board.

 Has anyone ever done a donut on a 5.5'x9' board? does any one have any other ideas?

I have a room schematic if needed or desired. Thanks so much for your help, the layouts I have seen here and elsewhere are a true inspiration. I have waited about 20 years to do this, I cant wait to get started and buy my benchwork.

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