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The Rock Island Backyard DSM, IA Division (My layout plan, & now construction )

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Posted by icepuck on Monday, June 11, 2007 6:51 AM
I'll bring my LGB Snoopy and 0-4-0 UP loco.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 11, 2007 3:38 AM

Route Rock, and Ice Puck, and any one else near by:

I am hosting the CIRGRS Meeting on July 15, please feel free to show up, and play!  MY layout is set up for batt, but is capable of other operations...  let me know

Eric

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 11, 2007 3:33 AM
Hello all,
To begin with the website still has not changed as that will require a major rework and elimination of photos I am not quite ready to do yet.
I thought I would give a verbal update.
To begin with, I have changed a good part of the goal of the layout, some of this was done last year, forgive me if I duplicate.
The map on my site is now way out of date! I just realized how much I have changed it in the last year!
Done last year: Along the right side of the map there was a 3rd line installed which went thru the middle of the flower beds and a wye was installed with the line that is just below the pond on the map. The outer mainline is all double track except up by the house (the shorter single track lines at the top of the map are double track).
Now planned:
It now is RI with both CNW and NW interchanges and both of the other RR have some switching to do. If I can come up with an easy way to draw this out and post it I will.....
If you are familiar with Des Moines, IA, I am focusing near Shortline yard.
I am going to incorperate E18th yard for the NW and its grain elevator and the Armstrong tire plant both NW & RI served. This is going in right behind the garage where previously Shortline yard was going (original map said stoage/switching). The CNW is taking the track shown to go across the pond, before the pond will be a small interchange yard. Past the pond will be the ADM plant which both the CNW and RI served (on the map shown to be switching).
In the top left of the map the last 1' or so of the garden will become shortline yard and a track will curve up the left fence to Armstrong tire at a right angle to the area served by NW (up by the garage).

For now the actual progress to the RR has been planting scale plants next to parts of the line for the forseeable future, as well as ballast(see below).

AS far as the stability of my concrete roadbed: no issues the 1st winter, hard as a rock, with no movement- only track problems is spelled d-o-g, and so far all of those are fixable!

As far as ballast: Since I am going with a slightly (ie above grould level about 6-12") raised roadbed, all prevous ballast work has disapeared more or less, as the dog has moved it all. I decided to attempt concrete ballast, I am now mixing Porter with my ballast 1:2 to see if it will keep my ballast in place. I am talking about on the slope away from the concrete roadbed to ground level. MY test site is now about 1 month old and has held up better than the plain ballast did last summer. I am sure frost heaves will play havoc in a years time, as it has no rebar, but I doubt it could be worse than the dog/weather did in 2 months late last summer. -Next spring will tell what I think.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 10, 2006 12:14 AM

OK all I am finally getting around to fixing my website, but to do so I had to reload the whole thing -I know, I know I am a whiner..... I just rebuilt my website to hold more current photos, I finally bought a program to resize my pics to create more room (the hold up), but also should help them load faster for you dial up people.  unfortunately it is now full once again, but it is current!!!!!! Finally
I also reorganized the photos to make it flow better, but it did cause some to be out of order of actual completion.

Oh, there are now photos that prove I have ran trains (and in daylight too, since most of my running tends to happen after dark)

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Posted by route_rock on Monday, October 16, 2006 1:07 PM
 Looking good so far my friend! Been busy with the RR and the House so someday I hope to get on track ( HA HA good pun) Keep the pics coming.

Yes we are on time but this is yesterdays train

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 5, 2006 3:56 AM

OK mopar, where is your G layout???? HMMMM, ok so I have a lot more done in my back yard than is posted....    Tongue [:P]

(fyi mopar is helping me build my layout....., I just dont hold it against him what kind of truck he drives)

I guess I should share what I have been upto, I promise soon....

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Posted by moparrailfan on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 9:55 PM

Eric where are the updates? It has been almost 2 months the people are waiting!! It's not like you have been busy with getting the basement ready to build a staging yard,working on freight cars,pouring more concrete for the yard lead and industrial areas.

Doug

Modeling the Norfolk Southern in HO and the Rock Island in G.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 17, 2006 5:20 AM

Rocket man,

1st of all anything dealing with my layout isnt off subject Smile [:)]  and any posts, question or otherwise are welcome.Smile [:)]

The layout is set in the late '70's as I have memories of the end.  The track and such is hopefully up to '50's standards as constant derailments are bothersome (typical of the late '70's RI Sad [:(] ) There is a little '50's stuff as well as I love the paint schemes from that era. I still havent come to a complete answer for era bashing, but then again it is my backyard Mischief [:-,] -lol. The hopefully soon revamp of my web page will give better explaination, etc of my layout and its goals.....

Matt,

stay tuned for a soon to be released major upgrade of the website, with much more advancement in my back yard !!!!

Thanks all for your encouragement and sugestions, keep it coming.

Eric

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:15 PM
Eric, wonderful pictures and progress! Been a while since I have visited your site.
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Posted by Rocket Man on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:24 AM
This is a little off from the construction of your layout, but I'm curious what era(s) of the C.R.I.P. you are going to feature?
The Rock Island Line is a mighty fine line...
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 6, 2006 3:02 AM

Mainline is DONE! -as in all track is now in on the mainline. It took about 8 hours to complete (with several breaks). As stated before all but up by the house (and thru the patio) is all double track, and the track with the wye in it is counted as a secondary single track main.  The wye only needs about 15 minutes more worth of work and it will be done (I need to cut rail, too noisy after 10pm).  The main line was completed at about 9:55 pm, then I ran trains with my friend Doug (who spent the day ballasting track, semi-prototypically using an open hopper).  It was a blast to finally run 2 trains at once in oposite directions. 

   Total track laid to date is about 420 feet long give or take a foot or two.  Not bad in an area that is 70'x~50')  with most of that area taken up by flower beds/grass/pond.

  Of course much work yet to be done: walkways to replace/reset (and their associated walkway lights), yard lead to create, leads to the future industrial areas, lead to the basement window staging area, fill next to much of the new concrete, then ballasting the newly laid track, all which must be done in the next couple weeks.   

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 30, 2006 2:45 AM

Well my guestament was about dead on as I just finished pouring the rest of the mainline and it took just shy of 70 bags to finish.  Now I need to  build forms and pour the leads to the switching areas and the yard lead( shouldnt take more than 20-30 bags total).

  The actual switching areas and the yard are not gonna be poured in concrete  as they very well may be changed in the future/ allow for water drainage from rain as they will occupy a fairly large area next to trees/buildings.  The yard lead concrete pour will include the mult. switch platforms, and the industrial areas leads, but the industrial switches will sit on concrete blocks for stablity, instead of a complete concrete platform.  Hopefully the mainline will be complete (track and ballast) and all the remaining planned concrete poured with in 2 weeks!!!!! Finishing the yard/ industrial areas will take much longer as alot of switches will need to be purchased and lots of buildings made (will be next year till all track for that is in, and who knows how long for the buildings).

  I should mention that the switching area behind the pond will be a little bit of a problem (and is excluded from above statements) and will require a future (next year????) concrete pour as a bridge is required across the stream end, it will be close to the main behind the pond, but only accessable from the bridge accross the pond.  A problem yet to be looked into (serious grade problem- drop of about 1.5 feet from one side of the pond to the other- maybe a large gravel/dirt back fill???)

I hope to also have a redesigned website with the next month, to explain what I have done and what I plan to do, but done much better than how my site is now.

Ambitious yes, can I do it when I said I would, we'll see....

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 24, 2006 4:08 AM

Hi all, I attempted to update my website, but I ran out of room after 3 pics, ( I have about 10 more to add).  I will have to do a major revamp of my website to make this work, thankfully I have 2 friends with web site knowledge to help me out, but it will take time. Hopefully the end result will look much better.  I started looking at what I could remove to make room, and realized how much of my original plan has changed!  I need to correct my plan on the site to show what I have done, but that hasnt happened yet because of the space limit, but for a brief expaination...  the main loop around the yard (other than by the house/thru the patio is now all planned to be double track) the area  on the map called flower garden has a wye in it.  

As far as what has been completed, all forms for mainline are built, all but behind the pond & and about 10' to the North of the pond and about 6' to the South have been poured.  What is left to be poured will take lots of concrete as most of it is about 6-12" deep and 10.5" wide.  To do the math a 60lb bag of concrete is 0.5 cubic ft of concrete.... I think I have about 70 bags left to pour to finish the mainlineShock [:O]Whistling [:-^].  To explain how much concrete this has taken to date, the entire line has taken about 160 60' bags of concrete, or not counting water I have poured just shy of 5 tons of concrete.  In my own sick humor I must smileEvil [}:)] thinking about who ever buys this house next and decides to tear out my layout! Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D].  I have never been accused of doing things the easy way, If I plan to do it I want it done the "right" way so it will last!

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 23, 2006 2:12 AM
with any luck I will pour the rest of the mainline Sunday!!!!!  I was hoping to get more done today, but I had several issues to deal with all non movable -a downspout, diamond, bush, pond, garage and an area 20' wide to try and deal with all these and make my last curve work.  I intenionally saved the hardest area to do for last, so that way I had a bit more expierence.  In reality, I may have more expirence, but the frustration level of trying to get it done, made me wish I had worked on this before.   I ended up having to compromize my min radius slightly.  I had to "freeform" a curve, but it looks like the outside main will have approx a 19' diam, and the inside main will have a 18' for that curve.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:47 AM

Dave thanks for the tip, I'll look into it.

I got about 1/3 of what is left to be poured done last weekend, and the next 1/3 forms set. just looking for a large chuck of non rain time to pour it. (couldnt do it Thursday as storms were predicted, and boy was the forcaster right, VERY hard rain, but my drains thru the concrete worked nicely -no standing water, but  I had 2 mamoth scale trees down blocking the curent main in a couple spots (read acctually approx  3" or so branches which were 25' long or so).  Thankfully little damage, just some cleanup work to do.  With any luck I should have my mainline complete this month, as the last set of forms should go very quickly as I have definately come up the learning curve on how to do this.  FYI I have fould the best forms to be 1/4" plywood, sturdy, yet bends to the curves nicely.  I still use the masonite to fill in dips under the recycled forms to get to forms down to ground level.  Site to be updated later....

If anyone is interested (& lives close enough for picking them up) in my used forms and stakes once I am done with them let me know as once the main is in I wont have much need for most of it.  I will still have quite a bit left to build (my industrial areas and the yard, but I plan to put them on packed ballast, for better water contol -as they will take up 3 fairly large spots- and being able to change them easier if I dont like how they turn out.)

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 2, 2006 12:08 AM
very impressive eric , should be a good solid layout. I use horticultural grit , slightly bigger than chicken grit ,it washes away but i just keep adding it .My local garden centre loves me ....................................................
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 1, 2006 11:55 PM
Glad to hear you have a start [:)]
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Posted by icepuck on Saturday, July 1, 2006 7:11 PM
I found a local hobby store today that has a small selection of guage 1 trains, so I bought some more track and set it up in the heat of the day. I now have a small oval track with two niece powered ore cars.
http://www.greathobbyadventures.com/
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 1, 2006 3:30 AM
My website finally updated with current photos, my website was a little out of date as I have had track in on my initial loop for quite a while. Hopefully I will have much progress over the next week and a half
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Posted by icepuck on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:53 PM
I was planning on a 0-4-0 ruby before doctor and vet bills got in the way..
-dh
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:18 AM
Icepuck, I sent you an email about CIGRS (the Central Iowa Garden Railway Society G club). I noticed after I sent it that you didnt specify scale (although I assume you meant G club). There is also 2 other DSM clubs but they are not G scale CIRC -an HO club at the State fairgrounds and Racoonvalley -mult scales N thru O.
Eric

as an update, very little progress on the layout since the last post, mostly been working on non train stuff- life has gotten in the way, I hate it when my ablity to work on trains gets derailed ..... I hope to get back to layout construction Sunday....
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Posted by icepuck on Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:22 PM
Greetings earthling... Would you by chance know of any rr clubs in the DSM area?
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Posted by Neiler on Sunday, May 7, 2006 11:07 PM
Ian:

Thanks for the tip on the Quickcrete bonding material. I've started pouring the concrete roadbed but with all the rain we have the finish is for %&$#*!! I hope the chicken grit will give me a level surface and the vinyl glue keep it there. I know it's hard to take pics at 10:30 at night but ... love to see your progress.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 5, 2006 10:10 PM
Since last update: forms out and dirt in around 2nd pour (a week ago thursday). It rained all last weekend so no real outside work accomplished then. I bought a indoor/outdoor mat and cut it to fit the street running (patio) area and placed upsidown to look like asphalt.
Thursday the splitjaw expantion joints came in, so I laid track on all finished concrete. I RAN MY 1st TRAIN at 10:30pm last night. No derailments caused by roadbed or track work! BUT: After several slowly increasing speed test laps, I ran the train several laps both forwards and backwards at full throttle (as a test) without a problem until the second lap of backing a piece of my street running filler material moved and derailed the caboose -I already had plan to glue the mat down, but I wanted to see if it would work with the flanges first. About an hour later a second derailment happend when an out of scale dog nudged the slowly moving train with his nose and toppled the engine breaking the sunshade & a foot board (already fixed). Ashton had been so good uptil then -I guess it will take more time to teach him to leave the trains alone . FYI my site isn't updated yet, but the camera started working again, I just need time in the daylight to take pics. It should be updated Sunday??
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 4, 2006 4:45 AM
Neiler, I haven't put down ballast yet, I'll post over time if I have a problem, with my ballasting idea. Rain, in my situation, is the least of my wories, since I have a (relatively) big, very active dog (1&1/2 yr old 40lb standard poodle -loves to run, he can kick 1" rocks several feet when he runs), and the layout cuts accross a well traveled part of my yard I am "glueing" the ballast down using the technique from the following post.
http://www.mylargescale.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=38355
It sounds like just the ticket I need to keep it in place while the dog travels over it. I am sure I will still need to maintain it and add fresh (ballast & "glue") now and then. I hope to be placing track and ballast very soon. Spring rains and the dog will let me know if it works (only time (cold winters/hot summers) will tell in the long run -possible frost/heat expantion issues????).
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Posted by Neiler on Thursday, May 4, 2006 4:20 AM
How's the chicken grit over the concrete do in the rain? I'm going in the same direction and curious ...
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Posted by Ray Dunakin on Sunday, April 30, 2006 5:19 PM
Wow, sounds like you're making good progress, Eric!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 30, 2006 4:31 AM
Ok since I havent posted lately, here is the progress. Last week, I have removed forms on all the concrete, and backfilled the slightly raised roadbed with dirt. I have bought ballast (gray granite medium chicken grit). Since it was raining friday, and rained all day sat, forcast for non stop till wed. I now have a fully working RCS/sieirra sound equiped engine-it took more work than I expected to get all the bugs out (all bugs caused by me), but I got it all done, the next engine should be a cake walk! I bought a outdoor mat and cut it to fit the exsisting patio conctrete track, cut to fit, when placed upsidown-it should look like modern railroad crossings (and keep leaves etc out of the ties which would cause problems without causing derailments-basically tested (set in test track in basement, didnt derail loco)- long term testing to be determined). Photos to be posted when it isnt raining - got a new (cell phone) camera so pic posting will continue, once weather permits (none since last post- I'll let you know when that happens). The big track laying project is being held up because I am waiting for the spit jaw rail expansion sets to show up at my retailer -I dont know if I need them, but I am sure one is needed in the confined space of the patio between the two switches (no room for the track to flex and allow for heat expansion, and the rest of them is part of my over building personality).
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:04 AM
Forms out and dirt in on original pour area. Site updated to include all but previous sentence. I was gonna include those photos, but the camara came up with some sort of error message. Hopefully I can fix the error, or progress pics may become more grainy as it would require use of an antique digital camera (uses floppy discs). The original pour is ready for track, just need to buy ballast and my spit jaw track expantion joints which I believe are due in this week (I hope). I am not sure I need them, but like everything else I build, I overbuild/plan for every conceivable problem I can forsee (of course usually just after completion I go, "I forgot this option").

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