Dang you Lionel!!!

[Anonymous]

Yea, I agree, Thats axactly why when you look at my layout, You dont see any big pricy locos such as most the ones Lionel's making now. I LOVE Lionel's products but man their nice decent looking locos are up to about almost 440.00, 450.00. I know that those Locos wouldnt be as pricy if they didnt have all the fancy electronics. I just want my locomotives to look good as well as pull good. Thats why, Im now starting to buy a few of those Engines from Williams. They look farly good (GP38, GP7's and 9's as well as the postwar reissues of Lionels classics) I really like the fact that williams is making those "pretty much" reproductions of the good old's from Lionel's finest years. I sure would like to see Lionel bring Back The Santa Fe F-3 in the postwar celibration series, Just with less electronics and less price.

[ben10ben]

As I recall, the NYC version was among the first batch of the Baby Trainmasters offered. As others in this thread have said, it had all the goodies, including Odyssey. 

[Frank53]

Frankly I think its a great idea.

don't drag me into this!

 

[thor]

Looks like Lionels been listening to at least some of us! What's not to like? You can buy this and have all the additional electronics added here in the U.S. and maybe they will even be less fault ridden than what the Chinese have been doing.

Frankly I think its a great idea.

[RR Redneck]

Dep, not all of us are as finacially established as you are. The biggest reason the most expensive loco is about $400 is not becuase I dont like the expensive stuff, but because I can't afford it. There are other people in the hobby that would like to have nice (at least semi) scale models with out spending whole month's salary.

[Dave Connolly]

 2003 volume 1 it's shown. Looking at the catalog picture. I was wrong as the engineer looks like he's facing right for running long nose forward. I know my NH was the other way. Looks like Lionel did their homework on the engineers.

[Dave Connolly]

  Don't put that credit card away just yet. Check back a few years as this engine in NYC was offered with TMCC, Odyssey and a fantastic FM sound set. I bought the NH version that was offered. I recently sold it to a friend that wanted it. I'm more of a steam era opperator. As far as this engine goes. It was a fantastic runner. Featured 4 pickup rollers that made it virtually stall free and was a smooth runner with those unique FM motor sounds. Even smoked better than my Lionel steamers.  The only negative I noticed on the NYC version. Was that the Central ran long nose forward and the engineer was facing the wrong way. An easy fix I'm sure. I want to say they are at least 4 years old. I believe on Lionels site you can go back to their archived catalogs. Call some dealers or put out a want for one. They are out there.

 Lionel is bringing back a lot of engines with simple conventional control. Many like the simplicity with no electronics. Look at the following William's has. They recently cataloged their 0-8-0 switchers in this manner as well.

[mpzpw3]

I tend to agree with palallin. I have a growing interest in O-scale locomotives that are well-detailed, but don't really want the electronics. I have pre-ordered the Lionel Santa Fe F-3 AB in the recent catalog. Never pre-ordered before. In my situation, this should give me a nice looking scale engine, and if I desire, I can add command control and sounds from a variety of different manufacturer's. I may have purchased more of Lionel's scale detailed engines, if it had not been for the added electronics.

[palallin]

As a matter of fact, such pleas are regularly made, by me, for one example.

I don't want the extra expense of useless features, but I do want the scale or near-scale dimensions. 

 Other than the O27 stuff I run for nostalgia's sake, I have exactly two trains, one Frisco frieght, one T & P passenger, and both are scale pieces.  There are two more engines I want:  a Frisco Ten Wheeler and a MoPac RS-11.  Both are scale, but both are loaded with electronic gimcrakery which drives their prices too high for me.  I dearly wish that Lionel had made them without the bells and whistles and especially without the CC so that I could employ and afford them.

 

With luck, this trend at Lionel for some scale-sized but uncomplicated locos will produce others I can afford.

[Deputy]

I was sitting on the throne (aka the library/reading room) looking through the Lionel 2007 Vol 1 catalog when I spotted a cool loco. The "baby FM"... aka H16-44. I dunno of any other train maker in O-Gauge that makes these. But there it was. And me being a BIG FM fan. Excellent!!! Even better....it's available in NYC colors!!! Even better....it's O-SCALE!!! Oh man...I was ready to whip out the old plastic and send in a pre-order. Then I read the specs on it and the roof caved in on me   Let me quote "these new CONVENTIONAL diesels offer an affordable way for anyone to expand their Standard O motive power roster". HUH???? Since when were people who buy Standard O locos looking for "affordable" options???? If I wanted "affordable" I'd buy Traditional stuff or Williams locos. I buy Standard O because they have high end features and all the bells and whistles (pardon the pun) on them. This loco is a stripped down version with NO Trainsounds, NO Railsounds, NO Crewtalk, NO TMCC, just a horn and smoke. Did I miss something somewhere??? Was there a massive plea to Lionel from those buying Standard O asking for LESS options on their locos??? I don't get it. Are they trying to "ease in" traditional buyers to Standard O? Anyone got any explainations on this? In the meantime, I've got to pass on what would be a pretty neat addition to my collection.

Disgruntled Dep

P.S. I know I can add all kinds of options to the loco. But that's not my point. They should already BE there.