new guy with old train***pics added 5-15-07*****

[Anonymous]

oi tore it apart and all looks well i lubed every rotating part but its not helping..its a lil quieter but not enough...but the whistle works...lol

 

and i have to find a way to incorporate a ho track...i think i got enough room to do it seperate...my gf bought a bunch of stuff in a vegas train shop ...but all for ho...so i have to use it being a gift in all..but my o gauge is gonna be my primary...

 

im trying to talk her into letting me run the ho threw the house...we shall see

[billbarman]

yes that would be the best idea, but i think you should sepparate O and HO.

[Jumijo]

The grinding noise in the tender whistle is coming from the armature shaft. Take the brushplate off and clean the armature and brushes. Then oil the shaft at the bottom where it goes into the sound box. Put the brushplate back on and oil the top of the shaft (1 drop). The grinding noise will disappear as the oil works in.

Jim 

[Anonymous]

i may have to check into that

[CSXect]

Zeke the best way is to use forced perspective by seperating each scale through seperate elevation and or distance between each scale. Another thought is to use the ho track to run On30 trains while running the O gauge trains and when ever you feel like running HO just don't run the O gauge but in the end you should do what looks the best to you By the way On30 is narrow gauge O scale trains if yopu are wondering what it is.

[Anonymous]

  Check for cracks in the sound box of the whistle unit. The soundbox is the bakelite part. This may be why you're getting a grinding sound.

 BTW, I think HO and O has some potential. I would run the HOs on a elevated strip along the back wall. If done properly it can be really effective as forced perspective.

 

thanks i am getting ready to open upp my tender right now and investigate...

 

wow i have learned so much since i joined this site...thanks guys

[Anonymous]

  Check for cracks in the sound box of the whistle unit. The soundbox is the bakelite part. This may be why you're getting a grinding sound.

 BTW, I think HO and O has some potential. I would run the HOs on a elevated strip along the back wall. If done properly it can be really effective as forced perspective.

[Anonymous]

so this is normal?

 

i thought my train was haunted......  

[1688torpedo]

Hello Zeke!   There is nothing wrong with your Transformer!   What is happening here is that when you activate the Whistle Controller on your Transformer a Small burst of DC Current is superimposed on the AC output to the Track in order to activate the Relay for the Whistle inside your Tender which also happens to cause the Engine to pick up speed as well. This is not so much a problem any more with the Electronic Whistles & Circuit Boards used in todays Trains though. The rule of Thumb when operating Postwar Trains with Whistles is to keep one hand on the Throttle while operating the Whistle in order to prevent the Train from picking up too much speed. Especially around corners. Hope this answers your question. Take Care.

[Anonymous]

working on that right now.... will replace then unit later...

 

just dont know if my transformer is messed up or what the deal is..i will find  it though....

[billbarman]

hmm... dont know about the second problem but my 681 had the same problem with the whistle, I toatally replaced some of the wires in the tender and cleaned out the moter good and the grinding noise stopped.

[Anonymous]

ya your prolly right there...it was just a thought i was kicking around..

 

well good news sorta...i got some track cleaned good enough for me engine to run on..its not cycling but i got a part on the way with help from a awesome member here....but any ways i cleaned the tender som also and thought id see if the whistle works...well it does  sorta....see there is a grinding  clicking sorta noise coming from the tender...but you can here the whistle with it as well..so i  will clean it a little more and hopifully fix it...

 

heres a problem i dont know how to fix..when the train and tender are trying to get around the track if i hit the whistle switch on my 1033 the train speed s up ..alot almost derails...but thats when the whistle works...what gives?

 

 

[billbarman]

It shows S and O in the lionel train book that came out a a year or 2 ago its looks alright but I think HO is to small to be with O.

[Anonymous]

  Can't think offhand of O and HO together, but if you can find pics of the current Lionel showroom layout they run O on the bottom and S on the top level.

[billbarman]

well thats one thing I never saw, anyway nice pictures!

[Anonymous]

thanks for the idea but to complicated...i was hoping to use them on the same layout..together...dont know if that will be possible..no big loss really  cuz i will ebay off the ho and get me some new track or something....but i am still trying to find pics of ho and o gauge together first....

 

thanks for the idea though

[Fireman14]

Zeke - If you wanted to keep it only one level you could do something that would fold up against the wall of the garage, or use a winch and pull it up against the ceiling. Sully

[Anonymous]

lol your funny!

 

thanks but i will deal with the issue....

 

well lights out early here tonight...babysitting in the morning for a neighbor....have a good night everyone...!

[Anonymous]

  Tell you what zeke, I'll do you the favor and take some of thoses cars off your hands so you'll have more layout room. I'd be happy to take the Chevy and stang. No need to thank me.

[Anonymous]

Zeke - First, thanks for your service to this country. Have several relatives and many friends that are vets. Secondly, go ahead and use both HO and O on your layout. I have some of both, including a 1666 that I am resurrecting, and a lot of N scale. I have a 4' x 5'11" board that I am going to put down a loop of 027 and HO on. Thinking about elevating the N stuff and doing a small layout with it, just to have something to look at. Not going to do the N in the same size, so I will make some tunnels for the other 2. Not real interested in an elaborate layout at this time, get more enjoyment from fixing up old stuff and exercising them. Just my 2 cents worth. Sully

 

thanks sully...that means alot....i am currently doing a 4 x 16 layout....this is not permanent i dont think we shall see.....i have a 2 car garage  thats 40 x 30  and its completely empty right now...i was gonna use the whole thing but i have to many cars and not enough garage......i have 2 ...2 car garages but the other has my 64 1/2 stang and 55 chevy in it...and i had my 900 spg and a 69 charger roller in the other..the charger is staying in cuz i have a portable lift there also so the saab and this 73 torino are out side now...i was  gonna go larger and make a large layout but upon carefull thinking i cant sacrifice that space... so i am searching for ho and o gauge layouts but i havent found one...i will continue...i want to see how they interact and look together...thanks for the idea

[Fireman14]

Zeke - First, thanks for your service to this country. Have several relatives and many friends that are vets. Secondly, go ahead and use both HO and O on your layout. I have some of both, including a 1666 that I am resurrecting, and a lot of N scale. I have a 4' x 5'11" board that I am going to put down a loop of 027 and HO on. Thinking about elevating the N stuff and doing a small layout with it, just to have something to look at. Not going to do the N in the same size, so I will make some tunnels for the other 2. Not real interested in an elaborate layout at this time, get more enjoyment from fixing up old stuff and exercising them. Just my 2 cents worth. Sully

[Anonymous]

thanks chuck i am surfing around to get ideas...i like the thought of it being elevated ...thanks

[Blueberryhill RR]

Zeke...So what, if you have an HO and O guage together!!!

There is NO Train Layout Inspector ....

 ok your right there...but i didnt know how to incorporate them together.....

 

and thanks jim i will look into that

 

dennis- there is a unit inside but it looks as bad as my e unit and only clicks...i did however lube it up and i am gonna try it  out later today..i would like to hear it..that would be great...

 

Just a thought, Zeke, but what if you put the HO on another level. Maybe on a mountain, or something like that.

Chuck

[Anonymous]

Zeke...So what, if you have an HO and O guage together!!!

There is NO Train Layout Inspector ....

 ok your right there...but i didnt know how to incorporate them together.....

 

and thanks jim i will look into that

 

dennis- there is a unit inside but it looks as bad as my e unit and only clicks...i did however lube it up and i am gonna try it  out later today..i would like to hear it..that would be great...

 

[dwiemer]

Zeke, a good number of folks will use a plan of "Forced Perspective".  By this, you have larger structures and trains towards the front of the layout.  Then, the smaller items go toward the back, away from the viewer, of the layout.  (Just make sure that you allow access to all areas).  This method actually makes your whole layout look bigger. 

By the way, your engines look good.  The tender, does it have a whistle mechanism that does not work?  The Greenberg Manual has a section on that too.  Many times, it is either a broken wire, or a lack of lubrication.  One thing you will want to do is get a soldering iron and some "super flex wire" which is used for wiring the pickup rollers on tenders and passenger cars.

Good Luck,

Dennis

[Brutus]

Zeke - I saw it done in a magazine article I think - they made the layout in layers, like a wedding cake, intended to be hills I guess with a town on the top of a plateau.  The top layer had an HO layout on it, while the lower outer level(s) had the O gauge layout - created a sort of forced perspective.

PS nice trains!

[Blueberryhill RR]

Zeke...So what, if you have an HO and O guage together!!!

There is NO Train Layout Inspector ....

[Anonymous]

thought id show you a few pics of what i am working with...

2025 and the 1060 ....

 

 

the 2025 with tender and rusty wheels...which makes no sounds :(

 

and the rest of my train.......which are getting cleaned as i type this...

 

 

and some of the ho stuff i also bought...

 

which is gonna be sold soon i think to help fund new track ....

 

 

dont know if you can see it but on the side of this car it says linking north and south..i thought that was interesting

there are like 20 more ho cars but hey they're boring...

 

just wondering is it possible or ho and o gauge to share a layout and look okay?

[Anonymous]

kieth-  email sent and thanks again

ricky- sounds like you take good care of it...you got any pics of your layout? 4x8 is a start...