22 degrees this evening....supposed to have highs in the single digits over the next several days. Good weather to stay in side and watch train videos!!!
underworld
G-day Tom and all present!
Leon- Could I have a turkey sandwich and a cup of coffee please.
Alright, things were solved and the internet works well now.
Eric- I saw those drawings and they look nice. Some really accurate measurements going on in some of those. I also liked the UP train pic you had. By the looks of it, I think the train is moving right along. Probably 75 mph. Also enjoyed a lot of the steam photo's you had posted. The last picture got me though. The UP caboose on the end of that intermodal train was really cool. That caboose was the best part though. You won't see that now-a-days.
I also noticed the Paradise & Pacific. That would be a cool model ride. I have taken rides in a few model trains before and that is one of the more realistic models. Thats cool. Does it run on steam or some other form of power?
Tom- Well, a couple pages back you had mentioned that the Via rail ride across Canada was one of your favorite rides. It sounds like a really nice ride except those few problems like land slides.
Someday, I would like to take a trip around the U.S by train. I would like to take a month off from work and just travel the U.S by train. That's my plan. Let's see how it turns out.
I might even make it to Canada. That would be great to see some of the landscape up there.
Ya, sorry about not visiting the other thread. I should, since I do post here. I will certainly try to keep on task with the other thread.
I liked the UP intermodal train you caught. A nice looking SD70 in the lead. Looks to be recently washed. I also liked the Amtrak train you caught. I don't usually see the Amtrak train in less it's one to three in the morning. Seeing one in the day is a rare sight for me. I think I have seen one Amtrak train. I saw it in Fargo, ND.
I also really enjoyed the layout pics. That is one nice looking layout. Like I say, I think you would get a long well with Fred Soup. He loves passenger trains. Thanks for sharing. Also liked the Alaskan SD70Ms. Nicely painted and ready for moving freight.
I took a good while looking over the Yukon route and all I can say is, Incredible. That is one incredible railroad. That would be a fun ride. I bet the scenery is breath taking.
Pete- I'm glad to hear that not all of the Merchant Navy's weren't scrapped. But is a pain to hear that almost all of them were. A 100 mph. That's really fast for a steam locomotive.
I'm glad you liked the siganl explanation. It can get quite complicated when it comes to crossovers and multiple track mainlines. As CM3 pointed out, it looks as if there is a signal match going on.
I some good steam pictures from you and the pictures with Tom in them. Some cool shots. I also noticed the intereting looking bus/ trolley with the tarp over it. I have seen them before but have always woundered where they come from and where they are used?
Rob- I liked the trolley pics you posted a couple of pages back. They were some of the first ways to move people around town were trains couldn't get too. They were located all over Duluth. There is also video of a trolley lift that scaled the sides of the hills here in Duluth. There really cool to see climb the hills.
I also liked the article on the Lake Simcoe Jct. railway. Was probably a nice railroad untill CN ripped it out. But I enjoyed the article none the less.
Mike- Thanks again for all the pictures you posted. The GN electrics were a really nice touch. I have not seen many pictures of the GN electrics. Thanks.
I also enjoyed the Milwaukee road FM Erie builts. Those are some of my favorite passenger locomotives. These locomotives were used specifically on the Olympian Hiawatha. The wings on the front of the locomotive have the Olympian Hiawatha spelled acroos it. They are really nice looking locomotives. Thanks for showing them.
CM3- Little joes in N scale. My word. Those little things are hardily worth the money there going to get for them. I'm sure it's about 600 dollars. Right?
A signal match ehh. Well I can certainly make a show. But I will start off getting some pictures tomorrow with some interest signals.
DL- The Class 442 is one impressive looking commuter/ passenger train. That buffet area is very nice looking. I'm sure that it is quite nice to ride on. I would like to ride it.
Lars- Well. Back from Florida. I'm sure it was sunny and nice out. Ya well it's not going to be so nice here in Duluth. By this weekend, The real winter is about to hit. Saturday, 20 below zero with a wind chill of 30 to 35 below zero. That's not so
Well I'm glad to see everything and everyone is alright and doing fine. I will catch up with your other thread tomorrow Tom.
Happy railroading
James
Good evening Leon , I think a nice big Irish coffee would do quite nicely this evening.Oh and I'll leave an extra couple of bucks for a follow up round as well.Quite chilly again this evening -7 much bettre than last night fer sure fer sure ,looks like we'll get about an inch of the fluffy white stuff by morning as well.
Tom-Do not get me started on hockey tix , the cheapest for a Maple Leaf game ( assuming you can get one ) are $120 a ticket and that's for the nose bleeds at the ACC at least the teams on a tear as of late I'm thinking my inability to pull from the other thread is more likely a lack of skill on my part than anything mechanical or electrical.Nice to see a fair bit o'action heare at the bar by the ballast.Wonderfull new pic to start the month of with, I've alway's liked the Alaska RR's paint schemes !It's nice to hear that you may yet get a proper train station in St Loo,I won't press you for details cause I know your feeling's on that modern new multi-modal building they are contemplating.
I'd have to aggree with the AC rep you spoke with, terminal two will not be missed by anyone.infact if the airport authority was smart they would have a lottery for anyone wishing to push the button for the demolition, the proceeds might pay for the new building LOL.
Pete- Thanks for the fall back point, I shall use and abuse you should my forum dufficulties return.
Eric-Thanks for the shot of that streetcar, still odd for me to see pan's on city cars, poles have always been the defacto standard in NA, at least before the new resurgance of lite-rail equipment.Just wondering were the two PCC's Stockholm had double ebeded or single ended. I remember seeing that most of the Eurpoean purchased PCC's being delivered with double in ended configuration.
The LSJ was built in 1899- survived till 1979, the black yeaar for most of the light use branchlines in Ontario. Both CN and CP purged the small town railroading between 79- and '90.
LARS-No sence telling you to take it easy down there <grin> quite the score I would say.. eeny weeny bikinis and a super bowl ticket.Perhaps a cardboard cutout of a dome car placed behind your seat will allow us to zoom in on you on Sunday <grin>
James-Streetcar systems were the public transit in the day. It almost didn't matter how big or small the town or city was. Im the late 1880's to 1890's being able to boast a streetcar system of some sort was major bragging rights for cities.Everyone wanted to be "in"
DL-Still getting a nice top notch coarse on British passenger service from you, always nice to learn something new each time I log into this forum
Rob
Leon my good man, I think another round of Irish coffee's is in order and maybe some of the peanuts from the barrel would be nice as well.Since it's too cold to deo much other than read I figured that I would pass on another bedtime story for the folks of Mentor !
CLASSIC STEAM #39 ONTARIO'S THIRD MAINLINE THE CANADIAN NORTHERN
Well we will tell the tale ( an abriviated version ) of the "third" national dream in Canada.The Stroy of Mackenzie and Mann and the rail empire that never quite made it.
In 1895, another chapter in Canadian railway history began. In that year the famous Canadain partners,William MacKenzie and Donald Mann bought the failing Manitoba railway , The Lake Manitoba Railway & Canal Company.And with this purchase they began assembling a network of unused charters and undervalued lines that would eventually stretch from coast to coast.The key link in this chain of railways would be the connecting link running between Ottawa and Toronto.They didn't seem bothered by the fact that two other mainlines were already destined to run east from Toronto,the 50 year old Grand Trunk and the line proposed by the CPR.
By the time the line was under construction, most of the towns along the line were well established. The GT had taken up the best station grounds close to the downtowns, and left the fledgling Canadian Northern ( CnoR ) the inferior alignments on the outskirts of the towns.The route ventured northeast from Toronto far to the north of Oshawa and Bowmanville and was unable to get a desirable run close to Lake Ontario until it reached Port Hope.from there the next amjor town was Desoronto, where the line followed closly that of the GT at times running parallell.
Between Napanee and Sydenham ( north of Kingston ) the CnoR incorporated the existing Bay of Quinte RR ( BQ ) but from there they laid their own trackage into Ottawa.From Ottawa the route continued along the south shore of the Ottawa river to Hawksbury, where it crossed into Quebec sending spearate branches to Montreal and Quebec City.
The Blind ambition of building this and the third trancontinental mainline the Grand Trunk Pacific, however lead to the CnoR's downfall.The completion of three national mainlines, and three east of Toronto wiht all the extra branches to feed them essentially duplicated each others services.With the world on the verge of a world war, this had the makings of a financial disaster. By wars end two of these lines were bankrupt. The GT Pacific and the CnoR.With the government owned Intercolonial in the maritimes not being much more healthy.
In an effort to save the bleeding red of these essential services ( for movuing goods and people and to avaoid a national financial crash ) Tjhe federal government decided to rationalize the redundant netwok of trakage that spiderwebbed it's way accross Ontario and much of the country.In this way the Federal government assumed control of the GTP, the CnoR & the Intercolinial forming the Canadian National Railways ( much to the dismay of the CPR )
Under the new CNR banner, the lines that at one point were heated rivals were now suddenly redundant.This was espeacially eveident in the extra trackage east of Toronto.The CNR did not need twwo mainlines running side by side serving the same communities etc. So the more profitable line was retained.So in 1936 the least profitable line was abandonned, MacKenzie & Mann's CnoR. The line only ran for two decades, yet track remained in place until the 1940's when the metal was torn up for the war effort. Some trackage of this eastern portion of the CnoR still remains in use today in Oshawa and Coburg, but only as stub ended industrial spurs feeding the old GT mainline.
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, I don't know. I think I just want a cup of coffee tonight. I am not hungry at all. No, you keep the change!
A different day at the office. Started some research about what kind of equipment I will need for my new tasks. Well, it doesn't belong here, I'll save that for the Rendezvous. Found some more interesting info here at the bar tonight.
CM3 – Hmm, I understand that your wife think that you look like you are in a vegetative state when you are watching TV! So she obviously did what she thought was the right thing to do. That was a good one!Tom – No, no shooting since Sunday night! Still don’t have any details. I kind of guessed that Can-Am County had some kind of rules in order to keep the morale high! Motels are being used for a lot of things I don’t even want to think about. At the same time I think it is good they are generating tax revenues so the county can afford building the new subway station! Driving the ALCAN is something I have been planning for several years! But I want to do it when I have plenty of time and don’t have to hurry all the way. I have to check the condition of the highway leading to Skagway. Sad news about Union Station and those tracks! I hope they will keep them but have a feeling it is too late. Part of Amtrak’s “trailer station building” in the picture below.
DL – I checked the website you provided the link to and I have to ask you, the number 52 shown between the front windows, is that a train number or a route number? I tried to find the answer but didn’t see anything about it. Maybe I just missed it?Two Bever Tail cars and both are still around! Yeah, that is good news!Lars – Good to see you again, Sir! Marathon sounds like a good place to be, especially this time of the year. I certainly will look for the ad for Our Place on Sunday!!! Go Bears, Go!!! Or was that the wrong team?Hope you can persuade your friend Phil to join us! I would love to hear his memories from rail travel of yesteryear. Pete – I have the attic here full of books but we are finally in the process of bying more book cases so I can unpack my books after 14 years in the attic. It's too hot there in the summertime. The streetcar pantograph in the picture was the standard model they had on all streetcars. It was pretty heavily built and they lasted forever! 312 tons (Beaver Tail Observation Car) train weight, that was pretty light.. I am sure they picked up speed rapidly after each stop!Nice picture of that DMU, Class 185! It looks pretty modern! A fork lift museum! I never heard of any fork lift museum before. I guess it is a part of the Swanwick Musuem. James – You are right, the UP train was moving along at 50-60 mph. The location was west of Palm Springs, CA. 2 years ago.The Paradise & Pacific locomotive is a real steam loco. Rob – The PCC’s in Stockholm were single ended.
So LSJ lasted for 80 years? I guess they didn’t have a chance to make it any longer. It was certainly longer than the Canadian Northern made it! Interesting story though! I have to try to make it to that map store this weekend and get a good map of Canada.
Eric
Denali Star - from my personal collection
*Idiot of the Week #2
Early this year, some Boeing employees on the airfield decided to
steal a life raft from one of the 747s. They were successful in
getting it out of the plane and home. Shortly after they took it for
a float on the river, they noticed a Coast Guard helicopter coming
towards them. It turned out that the chopper was homing in on the
emergency locater beacon that activated when the raft was
inflated. They are no longer employed at Boeing.
Here's your sign, guys. Don't get it wet; the paint might run.
STAY ALERT!
They walk among us .. and they REPRODUCE ..!!!
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G'day Gents!
It's GROUND HOG's Day in Mentor Village and Can-Am County! Guess what Boris saw his shadow and began some ritualistic mating dance with it. Something from Druid genetic links, I suspect. Anyway, in layman's language, we can look forward to 6 more weeks of winter in these parts!
It's FRIDAY and time for that hot cuppa freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee - pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from the Menu Board!
Temps are back in the teens, close to single digits is my guess. Snow is falling - more of a squall than anything else - makes the AM trek with Juneau the Wonder Husky a pleasurable experience, fer sure, fer sure!
ACKNOWLEDGMENTS!
DL at 11:21 AM yesterday: And the dialogue continues ‘tween you ‘n Pete regarding the DMUs, et al! Really a treat to "eavesdrop" on such matter - one of the few benefits of being behind the bar! Regarding commuter configurations: I've always wondered what it is about "comfort" and "commuter" that necessitates the use of seating and leg room designed more for austere school buses than rail cars.
Lars at 1:05 PM yesterday: Great having the Larsman back with us and we're envious of you and where you are this winter! Glad that you've been able to connect from the Keys! Doesn't seem to matter where one's geography is when it comes to the Forum Gremlins, eh
The Super Bowl! Double You'll have to share some inside skinny and let us "in" on how in the world this friend of yours - Phil - managed to acquire those Tix!! Then again, perhaps an Email would be better, given this isn't the place for such insights . . . We'd surely enjoy visiting with Phil now ‘n then, one doesn't have to be a rabid rail fan to enjoy this place. Your "bookend" BK comes to mind . . .
At the stage of life you're at, I'd say "go fer it!" when it comes to living where you wish and enjoying the things that go with it!
Hope we'll be seein' ya ‘round the tavern more frequently and of course, looking forward to your "Super Bowl" report . . . Go Bears! (BUT, if I were betting - it'd be on the Colts!)
Loved the DRUMHEADS!!
Pete at 7:01 PM yesterday: Jimmy Buffet is a singer who made his "claim to fame" with a song called "Margaritaville." Projects himself as a "beach bumb, hippie" kindaguy. He's a bit old for that now, but he has a following and his songs aren't bad. Remind me to "fill you in" on some insights once we get together regarding this chap. Anyway, just do a search on him and you'll find more info than you'll ever need!
Yes, indeed a pity about the St. Louis Union Station situation. Even more troubling is that the place seems to be destined for something other than what many had hoped for. I NEVER thought that the idea of an upscale ‘anything' in that particular area of town would go over well. Apparently it took a couple of decades to prove my thoughts correct. Too bad. The structure is a "one of a kind" and I'm glad that we'll be able to view it before whatever happens - happens.
James at 7:47 PM yesterday: Nice to see ya and good job of playing "catch up." Not much to make comment on other than to say I concur with your assessment of "N scale." I've never developed a liking for it either and it IS far too expensive for my tastes. Then again with the way HO is progressing . . . I'm happy that all of my major purchases are OVER when it comes to the trains and train room.
The "old" Thread has plenty of Pix of the Can-Am Trainroom and layouts. I haven't shown anything new over here that wasn't Posted there - just for your info. Speaking of the "old" Thead, I see where it is nearly at the bottom of Page 3 of the Forums. Really hated to "close" it - but it's Kalmbach's call, eh
Not to be concerned about "my other Thread" - just like to have some help over there (as Rob
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #6
Initially Posted on Page 133 of the "old" Thread . . . Here's something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with Classic Trains. Check this poster out regarding the Canadian Pacific from the 1950's: Canadian Pacific ... by land ... across Canada Now see Canadian Pacific's spectacular Banff-Lake Louise Route - From the Scenic Domes of the "The Canadian" Mile-high in the Canadian Rockies, Banff Springs is famous the world over for its scenic surroundings, complete outdoor recreation facilities. Both Banff and nearby Lake Louise are on the route of "The Canadian." Treat yourself to the world's longest, most spectacular Scenic Dome ride as "The Canadian" winds through the Canadian Rockies on its transcontinental route. From high in the Scenic Domes of Canada's only stainless-steel Scenic Dome streamliner you'll thrill to the breath-taking view of Canada's unspoiled natural beauty. And aboard "The Canadian" you'll find the accommodations superb, the service unexcelled. You may travel tourist or first class - coach seats reserved at no extra fare. See your travel agent for information about "The Canadian" - in daily service throughout the year between Montreal or Toronto, and Vancouver. Canadian Pacific World's Greatest Travel System RAILWAYS - STEAMSHIPS - AIRLINES - HOTELS - COMMUNICATIONS - EXPRESS Enjoy! Tom
Hello Tom
Can I have whatever is on the menu tonight - is it Pizza? I hope so, I'll have whatever is easiest (now that Nick is not around to cook up).
I enjoyed that bear story - not for the faint hearted.
Slightly off topic but I saw this on the news - sort of trans Atlantic story I thought regulars might find of interest. Apparently the guys in question had to make a big complaint before they go put on US army rations, as they were on civilian rations at first which was not their cup of tea:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/eastmidlands/index.shtml
Seems daft to me not to have Amtrak coming into the redeveloped terminal at St Louis - you would think that would kind of anchor the businesses (up market or not) in some kind of reality of purpose, but there we are.
Good to see Lars from the sunny zone calling in, and Rob too looks like your back with a decent connection - good to see.
James - yes the Class 442 is a 5 car electric unit capable of running in multiple (eg 10 car trains) and runs to from London and the channel port of Weymouth on the south coast of England (about a 2 hour or so run), via the port of Southampton too. They run of the 750 v DC current supply provided by a third current carrying rail - not overhead wires - this is the standard system throughout the south of England and is used because the former Southern Railway decided on this system back in the 1920s / 30s. The units were built in the 1980s.
Eric - those Class 185 units Pete showed are very new - just being introduced - I think they are German built - I have no problem with that but it is a shame we seem unable to build our own trains anymore. They have a good reputation but I have not travelled in one yet.
The 52 Number is a route number (in this case the London - Ore southbound route I guess). I don't know the logic for the numbering system but the former Southern Region of BR (and probably the SR before it) used route numbers which from time to time have appeared in public timetables, to help passengers identify their trains. It is now more common to use a destination blind that actually tells you where the train is going (sort of more straightforward!).
Pete - thanks for confirming my hunch about the summer only Beaver Obs cars - as Eric mentioned the idea was for a lightweight train that steam traction could haul fast - but then I don't need to tell you that!
I was in Hull in the early 1980s occasionally visiting relatives - I took my first trip over the Settle to Carlisle line at that time to see what it was like. At that time the Leeds Carlisle train originated in Hull - Mk1 compartment stock with Brush Type 2 at the head. This was when the line was being run down and there were only about 2 trains per day. I was captivated by the scenic splendour
http://www.settle-carlisle.org/index.cfm
There were other DMUs at Paragon station in those days but I was not very familiar with the types as I was off my home territory and only a youth, I certainly did not see the Class 124s though as I would have remembered their distinctive design I feel sure.
I've done a West Mids day rover a couple of times, you get a lot of route miles and I've been reluctant to leave the trains for the pub on such occasions!
Good weekend to all
DL
Evening Leon, is there any of the roasted animal flesh left from the steak grill If so I'll have a nice chunk medium with a Keith's for the washing down. Another chilly one here today -10C with about another half inch of snow.We made out better than the poor folks just outside of Coburg Ontario did yesterday, a freak snow squall whited out the 401 and caused a major pile up, tanker truck exploded, a real mess. Two dead and about 12 in hospital. The OPP still has not openned the east bound lanes yet 24hrs after the fact.A sad day to be sure.
Tom-nice CP ad sir, the usual top notch stuff 5x for that one fer sure fer sure. I'm not sure that I would want a bear encounter like that nope not for me. I can remember that the Brantford station plateforms were not much better than those in St loo all that long ago, they were replaced in 2005 when all the restoration work was done to the station itself.It's nice to be back in full flight around here, I feel like I'm holding up my end finally
I have to say that your second idiot of the week is likely a bigger winner than week one's , though only marginally. scary that people like that are building the planes we fly in.
Eric-Thanks for the info on the Stockholm PCC's, I imagine that they were equipped with pans as well.It's unlikely that your local map store carries CAA maps ( canadian automobile club ) they usually show all former and current rail lines.It's amazing how much extra and in many cases overbuilt trackage occured in Canada during the early railroad building boom, it's the exact opposite today, the big lines run on the bare minimum of trackage and maintenance
DL-yet more wonderfull emu/dmu info. Like Tom , I'm enjoying the banter between you and Pete, really interesting stuff. 5xThe TTC in Toronto also shows a large route number as well on their streetcars and buses, many US railroads used to do that as well. The Southern Pacific comes to mind.Just seems like the right thing to do,somehow todays passenger railways tend to ignore that fact, to my mind posting the route numbers like that seems like a customer friendly thing to do, but what do I know. I've noticed that as of late VIA is at least running a digital number board on their passenger cars that list the train number and the cars order number, a bit of a help at least, espeacially in the under ground plateforms of Toronto's Union station.
CM3-I'm glad that you enjoyed the CnoR piece, as I said not long on info it's just the bare bones facts.The full version would take a book ( and has actually )
Leon I think my Keith's glass has a hole so I'll need a new one It's been a bit of a slow day so here is a Classic ad rerun for everyone.
CLASSIC ADS #5 AD FOR CNR'S SUPER CONTINENTAL
This first appeaared on page 210 of the old thread.
enjoy
The work week is over, Leon. At least for me! So I'll just have a Chocolate Cobbler and Ice Cream! A lot! Yeah, and coffee! A quiet day? Hmm, I guess most of the guys are preparing for Sunday, Super Bowl! They need all the rest they can get.
CM3 – I wonder what kind of friends are the best? I think "her" friends are smarter. They can always say that they though a bad guy tried to find out where she was.
Tom – Those former Boeing employees are certainly worthy winners of the title this week!
I feel sorry for you if you will have another six weeks of winter. But I am sure Juneau will love it though! We will get warmer weather next week, 78-80° F. Mid 70’s this Sunday. I have seen a program on the History Channel about when they built the ALCAN Highway during the war. It is amazing how fast they managed to do that. It must have been a real experience to have bears around you that night on the mountain! But I guess you wouldn’t like to do it again. I certainly wouldn’t! I noticed the gas price went up 2-3 cents at some stations here today. The Canadian Pacific poster reminds me of another place in Canada I would like to see, Banff! I have seen pictures and videos from Banff and it is indeed spectacular, well worth a trip!!! DL – I did some research about Class 185 and found that there are 51 3-car units in service. Built by Siemens in Germany. They are powered by 750 hp Cummins diesels (one in each car, 3 per unit). Class 185 has replaced all of the Class 175 and most of Class 158. Next step for me will be to find out more about those classes.Route number for trains is kind of strange for me, but why not? Especially for commuter trains. Thanks for the info!
West of Flagstaff, AZ.
Hi Tom and all.
A good Winter Ale to beat this bitter cold wind, LEON and the Steak and Fries please
JAMES Good to see your computer is working well and great to read your post. I believe there is a Merchant Navy Pacific or two for sale, unfortunately it will cost a lot more money to restore the loco than to buy it, as they are still basically in the condition they left the scrapyard. It was a event when a steam loco in the UK ran at over 100 MPH, although unless the train had an experienced train timer on board it would be hard to tell. Nowadays with GPS you can sit in a train and read the speed as it goes along.
ROB The bar looks nearly normal with your evening visits and thanks for the round. Another great Classic Steam on the CnoR and the formation of the Canadian National. Was there talk at the time of Canadian Pacific being taken over as well by the government at the same time as CN was formed.
ERIC Great pic of the X2000 at St Louis, I noticed the Dome-Car in the background, perhaps Tom could guess what train it was on.
With the Beaver Tail car on the Coronation, I believe the Coronation was allowed 6 hours for the 393 miles between London to Edinburgh so the light train allowed it to keep the schedule The train's average speed for the188 miles London to York was 71.9 MPH
The 185 DMU in the pic were built by Siemans.
It seems the Fork lift museum building as been built since I last visited Swanwick. The narrow gauge railway there is worth a trip using Simplex small diesel locos and some of the cars were previously used to carry coal miners underground. At the end of the narrow gauge line is a tunnel on the dis-used Crompton canal.
CM3 It seems as though there is a quite a few railroad magazines available in North America although I see generally only about three titles on the shelves round here.
The joke as the ring of truth about it.
DL Thanks for explaining the loco hauled train from Hull for me. If I recall right, the time you traveled was when the Settle & Carlisle line was under threat of closure and only a massive campaign kept the line open. I believe today there is quite a bit of money being spent on the line. One of my first trips over the line was on an overnight train in the early 70s.It was hauled by a steam heat ‘Peak' from Glasgow via the ex Glasgow & South Western line to Carlisle then the S&C and the train terminated at Nottingham, where there was a connection to London St Pancreas. I guess this was the nearest you could get to the old Thames Clyde Express. If we can get Tom to England a trip on the S&C is a must.
Hull was a good place to see a good variety of DMUS. I will have a look at my old note books and try to see when I last saw a 123 or 124 unit. I must admit I thought they had gone earlier than 1982 but the book I had showed then still at Hull.
These Metro areas do have some very good value rail tickets for use after the morning peak period. The West Yorkshire one is real good value.
TOM I think the sales of hard spirits must have soared, despite being early morning, bought by anyone who had seen BORIS doing the Mating dance.
Another good Idiot of the Week, what a way to hand in a resignation.
It looks like Jimmy Buffit will be a good subject to talk about next time we are in the Trainwreck Saloon, anyone who has a album titled "A white sports coat and a pink crustacean", I would like to hear more about
It hard not to compare what as happened to the two Union Stations of St Louis and Kansas City. The one in KC seems very proud of its railroad past and as got Amtrak back using it. Before the old locos and cars were sold was there many dinner excursions that used the St Louis Union Station or did the excursions leave from the Amtrak station.
I'm very glad you were able to survive to be able to tell the story of the Kodiak bears Really good thing the bears were more interested in the fish.
Thanks for the poster on the CP Canadian from the 50s.To travel that route in a Dome-Car would be wonderful. I wonder if the train was steam or diesel hauled at the time the poster was issued.
Well as you can tell, by even by my standards, the late hour, I had some problems earlier but at least it was in word, (perhaps even I am learning) and despite being at Pat's Place tonight I will try again and transfer this to the forum.
LEON I will try a Holdens Golden Glow as a night cap and a round for any other night owls who call in.
Hi Rob just caught your post and will have a read of it now as I have managed to transfer this.
Pete.
It's Saturday here in Mentor Village and the bar is OPEN! Ruth ‘n Leon have the day off and the Proprietor will be handling things ‘til closing . . .
Coffee's fresh ‘n hot, pastries just in from The Mentor Village Bakery and the Menu Board lists our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts. So, what's stopping ya
Did anyone notice that we nearly went 12 hours between Posts Yup . . . . check out the times in the acknowledgments. That surely is an oddity, but one that we're beginning to see more ‘n more of as our numbers dwindle down to this precious - and most appreciated - few.
Another blue sky morning here in mid-continent USA with the temps again in the teens - supposed to be single digits in the ‘morrow. <brrrrrrrrrr> Petrol up at "Collusion Corner" is holding at $1.98 (rounded). Amazing, I really thought it would "spike" given the world oil prices. Go figger, eh
DL at 12:40 PM yesterday: Mainly because it IS such a revealing article and also because some of our guys may glide past it, here's a URL from DL that is very much worth the read:
Thanx, Mate - learn something new ‘round here most every day!
Regarding the St. Louis Union Station and development back in the 80s: It was determined then that "upscale" was to be the mantra. Thereby eliminating any semblance of encouraging "train riders" to frequent the place. After all, we all KNOW what ilk they represent! That was then and apparently still holds to this day for the next ‘round of refurbishings. Really is a shame to absent this marvelous structure from the presence of a relative few active Amtrak arrivals and departures. Once this palace in mid-continent claimed to be the busiest terminal in America. Right on up ‘til the demise of passenger railroads, one could book passage for just about all major destinations in the U.S. and Canada from there and not have to leave your car (if traveling in a bedroom that is).
Amtrak today has the Texas Eagle passing through on it's north ‘n south bound runs, the Missouri Mules (intra-state between St. Louis ‘n Kansas City) have a total of 4 trains each day and the Ann Rutledge (Chicago - KCity) ‘n Lincoln service (StL ‘n Chicago) running two trains each daily. So, there'd be a modicum of traffic ‘n people to browse ‘n shop ‘n partake in the food court ‘ restaurants. But nooooooooo, not to be. Better to relegate all of this to some 4th rate facility beneath a highway in a blighted area. Ah, but there IS hope as the St. Louis Multi-Modal Station is supposed to be the panacea long awaited. We'll see.
YOURS was the final Post for the day (Friday)!
Rob at 12:01 AM today: Minus 10 C looks ‘n sounds much colder than it is - that's about 17 (F) to put it in my perspective. Anyway, a half inch of snow is just about our normal these days (daze) and it is confounding to say the least. Still hoping for a "whopper" to dig out from - we're ready - bring it on!
A shame about traffic fatalities that most probably could've been avoided had it not been for careless ‘n imprudent driving practices (that's what they are called ‘round here!). Overdriving the conditions for the road, whether they be slick from ice ‘n snow or rain or leaves on ‘em or fog or whatever - doesn't appear as if many drivers give a rat's patoot regarding their own safety much less anyone elses. <groan>
Love the ad and for some strange reason I don't recall it! Don't even recall the others in the series!!! Why not run ‘em all again over here Seems like a good thing for ENCORE! Saturday.
You know MY feelings regarding VIA Rail as I think for the most part, they still do things correctly! There must be a cadre of employees who give a rat's patoot who are keeping things rolling. Thank the RR Gods for ‘em.
Eric at 12:25 AM today: NOW WAIT A MINUTE!! This is NOT a coffee shop, a candy store or a soda joint! We are a bar ‘n grill - a tavern - a saloon - a gin mill - das bier haus, etc. and so forth! So, anytime I see or hear reference to things like "Chocolate Cobbler and Ice Cream" I lose it! <arrrrgggghhhh> <tweeeeeeeet> <tweeeeeeeeeet> Rules Violation! Rules Violation! Rule #26 - Attempt to turn this place into something it wasn't designed to be! Your penalty is: polishing the brass foot rests running the length of the bar! Enjoy! "Chocolate Cobbler and Ice Cream" indeed! <arrrrrgggghhh>
No pity needed for 6 more weeks of winter - bring it on! <grin> Honestly believe I'd have been a most happy fella living in places north of the Arctic Circle.
To say that my camping buddy and I were "lucky" regarding the visit from the bears is an understatement. Kodiak bears are the world's largest carnivore, weighing in at an average of 2,000 pounds and standing 10 ft tall; need I say more
Pete at 12:41 AM today: A most early Post (or late) from the Wolfman! Better late (or early!) than never, eh Thanx for not forgetting us.
CPRs "The Canadian" as opposed to VIA Rail's "Canadian" traveled the route to 'n from Vancouver via CPs trackage, whereas VIA uses the CN right of way. The motive power was all diesel for "The Canadian." Both routes are extremely picturesque, with the CPs being the r
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 112 of the "original" Thread . . . More on the Canadian National Railways of the Fallen Flags from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956 Canadian National Railways Super Continental - Dieselized all the way Faster daily service between MONTREAL - OTTAWA - TORONTO - WINNIPEG - SASKATOON - EDMONTON - JASPER - VANCOUVER No Extra Fare Westward - Read down ..................................................Eastward - Read up Example..........Daily ......................................................... Daily .........Example Sunday............4 00 P.M. ..... Lv. Montreal ... E.T. .. Ar. ...5 05 P.M. .... Wednesday Sunday............6 00 P.M. .... Ar. Ottawa........E.T....Lv......3 05 P.M. .....Wednesday Sunday............6 10 P.M. .... Lv Ottawa.........E.T. ..Ar. ....2 50 P.M. .... Wednesday Sunday............6 00 P.M. .... Lv. Toronto.......E.T. ..Ar. .....2 15 P.M. ... Wednesday Monday..........10 25 P.M. ....Ar. Winnipeg.....C.T. ..Lv. .....8 20 A.M. ... Tuesday Monday..........10 50 P.M. ... Lv. Winnipeg.....C.T. ..Ar. ....7:55 A.M. .... Tuesday Tuesday......... 8 00 A.M. ... Ar. Saskatoon....M.T. ..Lv. ....8 50 P.M. ... Monday Tuesday..........8 10 A.M. ....Lv. Saskatoon....M.T. ..Ar. ....8 40 P.M. ... Monday Tuesday..........3 10 P.M. ...Ar. Edmonton......M.T. ..Lv. ...1 50 P.M. .... Monday Tuesday..........3 25 P.M. ...Lv. Edmonton......M.T. ..Ar. ...1 35 P.M. .... Monday Tuesday..........8:55 P.M. ...Ar. Jasper............P.T. ..Lv. ...8 15 A.M. .....Monday Tuesday..........8 05 P.M. ...Lv. Jasper............P.T. ..Ar. .. 7 05 A.M. .....Monday Wednesday....1 05 P.M. ....Ar. Vancouver .... P.T. ..Lv. .. 2 45 P.M. .... Sunday Through deluxe coaches with reclining seats between Montreal and Toronto and Vancouver. Parlor Car between Montreal and Ottawa only. Dining Room Refreshment Lounge Car between Toronto and Winnipeg. Coffee Shop Car between Toronto-Capreol. ............................... between Montreal-Vancouver (until May 31). ............................... between Winnipeg-Vancouver (first trip June 2). Dining Car between Winnipeg and Vancouver. Tourist Sleeping Cars between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver. Drawing room, compartment, double bedrooms, duplex roomette, lower and upper berth accommodation available in latest type standard sleepers between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver. Attractive lounge accommodation for standard sleeping car passengers. NOTE: Perhaps our Canadian friends can elaborate on what appears to be discrepancies with the time zones. In current times, Saskatoon is on Central Time and Jasper is Mountain Time. Don't know why in 1956 the time zones were listed this way ... Perhaps the zone maps were different back then. Anyone know Enjoy! Tom
Hi Tom and all
Hopefully a post at a more reasonable time for me, a pint of Kimberley Mild please TOM, as RUTH got a flight to Florida for the weekend.
ROB Sorry to read of that bad accident caused by the weather, there was a simular one in Kansas City although, luckily, without the loss of life partly due to the skill of a semi driver according to the report.
Thanks for the poster on The Super Continental from 1955.
The reporting numbers on the front locos and units on British Railways were mainly as an aid to signalmen to set the route. In the 60s BR introduced the 4 character head code panel on the front of locomotives and some units, although the southern electric units stuck with the 2 number code. The 4 character code was phased out on the front of locos from the mid 70s. I have a small book on the subject, if any one wants to know a bit more about BR headcodes I will find it.
ERIC If it is any consulation cleaning the brass rail is a better job than cleaning the Rat's Patoot Room.
It seems that there has been a lot of moving about of DMUs in Britain lately with the introduction of the new units, hopefully the units the new units will allow the units that they displaced will replace the Pacer units 4 wheel units.
TOM I had looked at the link DL provided to the American oil workers in Sherwood Forest during WW II. as you say a very interesting link and something I had no idea about until I read the link.
Lets hope the new Multi-Modal Station does revitalise that area of St Louis, but I can help but think that Union Station missed out on trade by not having Amtrak use it.
Thanks for the Super Continental ad with the timings, which fits in well with Rob's poster
For my encore I have borrowed Passengerfan ALs post on the Super Continental and other Canadian trains from page 113
AL wrote
Good Morning Tom Just Time for a coffee and a couple of those diet pastries from the Mentor Bakery. I don't belive that any railroad in North America made the effort to save passenger service more than the CN in the late 1960's and early 1970's before Via Rail took over all Canadian Passenger services. The CN purchased dozens of used cars from U S roads mostly sleeping cars but including six full length domes from the Milwaukee Road and six Sleeper Observations.
CN offered Red White and Blue fares and litterally filled their trains. The CN shopped most cars and brightened the interiors up to give them a more modern appearance. They took old Fort series heavyweight observations and converted them to modern full length lounge cars for sleeping car passengers on such trains as the OCEAN, SCOTIAN, CHALEUR PANORAMA and SUPER CONTINENTAL. The full length domes were given bright attractive interiors and assigned to the SUPER CONTINENTAL between Edmonton and Vancouver and to the PANORAMA between Winnipeg and Vancouver. They introduced the RAPIDOS between Montreal and Toronto in 4 hours 59 minutes using conventional equipment and adding high speed geared A-B-A sets of GMD built FP-9 - F9B - FP-9 to power the trains. They then introduced The TURBOS articulated nine car trains with a turbo dome at each end so turning at terminals was unnecessary. These trains managed to operate between Toronto and Montreal in 4 hours 30 minutes.
CN next turned their attention to Southwestern Ontario introducing the TEMPO trains between Toronto - Sarnia and Toronto - Windsor . They usied existing Alco RS-18 roadswitchers initially with Cummings Hep units installed in the short hoods and high speed gearing for pulling the lightweight Aluminum Tempo cars (Rough riding at high speed). The cars today operate in Ski Train service in Colorado where they don't encounter high speed running and are far more successsful. No one made a more determined effort to fill passenger trains then CN and were far more successful at it then Amtrak in its first years. While rival CP let the CANADIAN become threadbare and worn CN proved that if you offered bright attractive trains with reasonable fares you could fill the trains. What happened a change of government and a different outlook to passenger rail services. But while it lasted the CN offered the best passenger rail services in North America throughout the late 1960's and early 1970's. It's to bad no one at Amtrak or Via paid attention.
P.S. And who could forget the Prime Rib dinner served in the CN dining cars they were scrumptious. Or how about the drinking areas of the lounge cars offering the free saltiest pretzels I have ever eaten, but they sure incouraged patrons to drink more.
Real great info I think so another beer and a round please Tom.
G'day Cap'n Tom & fellow travelers at the bar!
Back for a "cold one" and perhaps just a half sandwich today - make it a Lars Special, of course - ham ‘n Swiss, buttAH ‘n mustAHd and two large pickles from the barrel. A saucer of brine for Tex, a sack o' seeds for Awk, a tray of ice cubes for Frostbite and of course a small jar of pickled pig's feet for Boris! That should do it - and a round for the boys!
Want to mention that I like the infusion of humor on Mondays - Wednesdays & Fridays from our Proprietor - nice work! Seems that CM3 I'm NOT Shane! is also trying to take up some slack for barndad Doug with some humor of his own from the hills of West VA! Also nice work!
As you can imagine this relaxatio thing isn't too hard to grow accustomed to. Had a marvelous time of it Thursday afternoon and evening with some good living aboard the boat. Phil is an accomplished sailor and not a bad chef. Watched the sun set over the Gulf and it was just a sight for sore eyes. The Mrs. says we aren't going back - ever!
The gals have decided they WILL accompany us to the game tomorrow. Drat it! Thought we could "get away" with a little something. Perhaps they thought the SAME! Anyway, I doubt that I'll be of any help here for the pix posting event. However, should I rise early and catch a break with the internet connection, I might surprise y'all. <grin>
The Mrs. is a bit unhappy with my "devotion" to the bar ("fixation" is what she calls it!) and can't quite figure out why I "need" to do this. Oh well . . . I'll never know why THEY take so long in the bathroom - so there!!
Phil passes his regards to the "crew" and wants you all to know that "Our" Place appeals to him. Spending time at the ‘puter just doesn't. He admires the way the Cap'n has put things together and offers that while reading through the posts, he actually has found himself "believing" the bar is real. Now THAT's a compliment, huh
Thanks for the well wishes, gents, they are much appreciated! Not a doubt in my feeble mind that we'll continue to enjoy ourselves. Don't really have a return date in mind, but the Mrs. will be heading north next week to check on "things" at home. Should be gone for 3 days, then back here. She INSISTED that I remain with Phil for some "male bonding." Yeah right, I know she's got a rendezvous planned with some Chip ‘n Dale JO in NYC. <grin>
So, tomorrow is THE big game and I'm going! If I have a regret, it's that my Jints aren't in it. However, just to have this chance is something I never thought of, never ever. Phil is a "connected" kinda guy from his very successful career. As I mentioned, we were shipmates on more than one "merchie" for years. Then he took on a different course and wound up in the board room of the company. He's asked, and I surely wouldn't "blow his cover," that I say no more than that here in the Ether.
Hey! This is a CLASSIC TRAINS forum, right For REAL trains, right How come then I'm seeing so many posts for toy trains and model trains and the like I mean it is really getting out of hand and doesn't appear as if there are any "controls" in place to separate things out. I'm not at all interested in being the "hall monitor," just an observation that brings to mind our still unresolved "issue" we've had with the FM (forums manager).
Want to add my congrats to all who have been holding the line with regard to the nonsense posted on our thread by someone who plainly doesn't get or doesn't want to get it. Best thing to do is continue with what WE do.
Noticed some activity over on Cap'n Tom's "other thread" and will be checking that out in a bit. Am I correct in stating that Mr. Barndad Doug posted over there but NOT here How's that work out Surely the Proprietor will have something to say about THAT! <grin>
I know this is our Encore day, but I'm kinda fresh out of material, plus don't want to be away from our hosts (and my Mrs.) for much longer. So, just let me wish y'all a great weekend and enjoy the big game tomorrow. Go Bears (but place your bets on the Colts!).
How come you gave Ruth the day off I was looking forward to at least a moment or more of basking in her radiant glow!
Until the next time!
Lars
What a surprise in having both Pete 'n Lars swing by during the daylight on a Saturday! We've been notoriously slow on this day and it's really great to have you guys aboard!
Pete at 1:49 PM today: Nice compliment to the Super Continental "stuff" begun by Rob. Too bad we aren't treated to passengerfan Al's works anymore, but he's elected to become a permanent member of the Legion of the Lost - so what's to say other than RIP! His "stuff" lives in the Ether!
I seriously doubt that anything can or will revitalize that area beneath Highway 40. It simply wasn't meant for revitalization - a parking lot is about all it's good for. I'll have to check it out a bit closer to determine precisely where the Multi-Modal Station will go. I just hope that there will be a safe way for those using the trains (Amtrak 'n MetroLink) - buses (Metro 'n Greyhound) and taxis, to get from place to place.
Lars at 2:58 PM today: Still chuckling over your comments regarding your wife's thoughts about the time you spend with us, and then your "zinger"! Had to read it to my bride - she got a kick out of it. I've wondered the same thing and also, WHY do they go in pairs every time they're out at a restaurant or some other place Could it be they worry about falling in and there'll be no one to yell for help A mystery, fer sure, fer sure! <laff>
Sounds to me as if you've rapidly become accustomed to this way of life down in the Keys. Hey, it's pretty easy to handle. I happen to LOVE the snow and cold temps, but when there isn't any snow to enjoy, then I'd just as soon be basking in a place where there's more to gaze upon other than trees without leaves and brown, brown, brown landscapes. Why not stay down there 'til those little green things begin popping up back home
Don't sweat not having anything to drop on us for ENCORE! Saturday. It's always a pleasure to have you 'round the joint. Too bad about Ruth - but the gal deserves a break. Even got Leon to agree to a night off too. Why not
Don't quite know what to make of Doug and his appearing over on "my other Thread' but not here. That's not at all like him. Our regulars all know that this should be the FIRST STOP of the day - not the last. Oh well, I'm sure he'll come up with some "meely mouthed excuse" to avoid getting the <tweeting> deserved! <grin>
All I can say is have a great time tomorrow, which I'm sure you will. Should be a full day and long night. So, take care on the highways, and we'll see ya when you come up for air!
Catch ya in the AM!
Tom
Good evening Leon and the gang. I'll take a nice thick top sirloin ( medium ) with the baked and the mushrooms please oh a I think a nice tall Guiness to wash it down ( I won't order desert as I'm not in a cleaning mood )
Tom-Nice to see the CN post a good read again I'm not that supprised that you missed the Classic Ad's I put them out infrequently usually on the less busy days (daze) I'll repost a few more of them this evening. I'll drop one off after this post then I'll head out for a bit as I have some new photo's to uplink to photobucket for tomorrow
I have to say that I've seen my life flash before my eyes on too many occations with the drivin gof the other JO's out on the highways.Of note I find that every storm ( winter or summer ) if some one's in the ditch it's generally a suburban commando SUV with 4x4.just can't understand some people.I learnt to drive in this crap, I truly believe that anyone wishing to drive needs to be manditorily taught how to drive in the bad weather. I know that makes too much sence. ( looks like I'll need to work off some steam in the patoot room )
Pete-I'm glad to see you and DL still at it with the Brit rail passenger car's,great ongoing info as always.Intersting reasonning behind those train numbers,I'm supprised someone wrote a book about it. Our hobby does do that for some reason though.
The CPR was very upset by the CNR's formation. By the time CN happened they were making money ( mind you even tough they were a private company govt funds paid for most of their construction ) the CPR actaully wanted the govt to give them control of the failed lines, but the powers that were in gov at the time didn't like the implications off all rail activity being run by the same show.For theeir part the CPR didn't like the thoughts of having to compete with a government agency, still both roads thrived and both are now still vital and profitable and both are now private companies
Nice to read the words of Passeneger Al again. It is a pity that he's decided to saty alouf from this place.
Lars-UI'm glad to hear that we have struck a chiord with Phil. that is indeed high praise for the captain and this thread 5x for that fer sure fer sure.try not to enjoy yourself too much tomorrow
SATURDAY ENCORE ! SATURDAY ENCORE ! SATURDAY ENCORE !
Here's another classic ad from the archieves !
CLASSIC AD'S #6 CNR/GTR PASSENGER SERVICES
this ad first appeared in the old forum on page # 270
enjoy again !
ENCORE SATURDAY ! ENCORE SATURDAY ! ENCORE SATURDAY !
Here's one more classic ad to help speed us along our way on this cold saturday encore day ( well cold in most places at any rate )
CLASSIC AD'S # 7 CN SPANS THE WORLD
This ad first appeared in the old thread on page # 311
here's another classic ad encore to wind out saturday's festivities this week.
CLASSIC AD'S # 8 PORT MAITLAND TRAIN AD
This ad first appeared on page 401 of the old thread.
enjoy again
Hello... Hello... ohh hello Boris! What are you doing here at this hour? Oh, you brought the brass polish for me? And a glass of spiked OJ? I know, Leon and Ruth are having a day off. She has? No, I am sorry but I don't have Lars' phone number in Marathon. I am afraid she has to wait until he is back. Okay, let me polish these foot rests while you are fixing med a juicy Rumpsteak Café de Paris.
It seems to have been a pretty nice Saturday at the bar! Even Lars stopped by for a while! Hope you will have a Super Sunday!!
Rob – I missed your post last night! Before I posted I reloaded the thread but your post did not show up until after I posted it.
Yes, the PCC’s in Stockholm were equipped with pantographs. At least one of the two his still in running condition. They were built in Sweden and delivered in 1952.
The map store I will visit has maps from all over the world and I would be surprised if they don’t have what I am looking for. Nice ad for the CNR Super Transcontinental! Pete – 6 hours for 393 miles, that is pretty good! Do you know how many stops the Coronation did? We have a kind of antique (electric) fork lift in our warehouse at work. Maybe we should send it to that museum?
You are right, I prefer (!?) to clean the foot rests over the Rat’s Patoot Room. But don’t tell the Captain, he might remember that next (?) time. Thanks for the encore! It is perfect complement to Tom and Rob’s encores!Tom – Thanks for showing me DL’s link to the Midland oil field! Most interesting! never heard about it before. Coffee shop? Candy store? Soda joint? Who... What happened? Did Leon...? He promised not to... I mean, I don’t remember what happened. Did I? OK, OK, I will take care of those foot rests. They certainly need some cleaning and polishing anyway. You and your buddy were lucky because they were not too hungry and you brought them some fish! You should have bought a lottery ticket that (following) day. Time zones in Canada (at least some of them) were changed in 1988. Your encore gave me the answer to the question I was going to ask Rob, what was the traveling time from Toronto to Vancouver? Almost 67 hours! What a trip!Rob – i agree with your (OT) comments about driving habits. I spent almost 11 years behind the steering wheel in buses and 18-wheelers and have seen some scary things. Esecially in the winter time. Some people never learn!Nice ads, Grand Trunk Railway System and CNR! Never heard about the Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo Railway Company before. Are they still around?
Some mixed pictures for this Sunday!
Durango, CO 1991.
The German ICE train, Union Station, Washington D.C. 1993.
Old steam locomotive still in use for switching in 1966 at a paper mill in Sweden.
Class X3 train (built in UK) in service between downtown Stockholm and Stockholm International Airport. Stockholm 2006.
Approaching Stockholm Central Station in 1980.
Even though the bar at "Our" Place is
CLOSED on SUNDAYs -
We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!
Another frigid morning here in mid-continent USA - it's 4 (F) - which is minus 15.54 (C) - at any rate, the walk with Juneau the Wonder Husky was brisk to say the least! <grin>
We've got our usual Sunday breakfast - brunch - lunch bill o' fare up ‘n running ‘til 2 PM, so take advantage of it on this Super Bowl Sunday. Let the hype begin! Go Bears! (But, place your bets on the Colts!)
An interesting day yesterday culminating in a fine display of support from trolleyboy Rob! Many thanx and I hope the guys appreciate your efforts - I do!
Don't quite know what to make of barndad Doug these days (daze). Appears on "my other Thread" three times - but NOT here! Now that's something we used to see from a guy who is now a permanent member of the "Legion of the Lost." Very puzzling . . .
ACKNOWLEDGMENTS:
Rob at 8:27 PM - 8:32 PM - 8:38 PM & 10:58 PM yesterday: A fantastic conclusion to our ENCORE! Saturday from you, Sir! Very well done and in keeping with the "high" standards we have ‘round this joint! <grin>
The decision made in Canada to form a governmentally controlled railroad might appear to be far different than what was going on down here at the same time. However, there were similarities of thought. Mainly the fear factor in the hallowed circles of government (circles, as in chasing their tails!). Anyway, there were many legislators who feared the power of the railroad moguls with their enormous land holdings with the attendant wealth and influence going with it. Restricting all of that through legislation was the course taken and the results are felt to this day. We of course wound up with the decimation of so many railroads and the complete dismantling of a once thriving passenger rail system.
I can imagine the discussions in the Canadian Pacific's board room in those times. My guess is the dialogue wasn't intended for the faint of heart or overly sensitive! <grin>
Smart move about ordering dessert!
Many thanx for the ENCOREs of the Classic Ads! Picked up on the attempt by GTR ‘n CNR to emulate CPR with their "Complete Transport System" theme. I'm unaware of ANY organization in the world that could ever approach what Canadian Pacific achieved in it's apex. Fantastic to say the least.
Eric at 1:38 AM today: Fine work with the brass rail! Excellent as a matter of fact. Must be that northern European work ethic coming thru, eh Yeah I know, one has to keep moving in those climates otherwise one would surely freeze in place! <grin>
That URL provided by DL is surely a "keeper" when it comes to the always enlightening history of what happened behind the scenes during the WWII years. I'd be surprised if any of our guys ever heard of those oil fields. Pete ‘n DL had no idea, and it's their country! Amazing, simply amazing.
MANY THANX for the enlightenment regarding the time zone question contained in my Nostalgia piece. That question has been "sitting" there since originally Posted on several Threads and NO ONE has ever picked up on it. So it was 1988 when the changes were made in Canada, eh Didn't know that - but I do now!
I had thought Rob would've come up with the answer to your question a bit ago on the time for travel between Ottawa and Vancouver. However, the schedule Posted in my ENCORE! Was intended to help you with it! "Killed two birds with one stone" on that one.
All of your Pix to help kick off our Sunday Photo Posting Day! are splendid. My favorite is the approach to Stockholm. Just love Pix like that!
Enjoy the day, Gents and I'll be back a bit later on with the EMPORIUM movie selections . . .
Reminder: Monday, Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Boris, serve ‘em all of the OJ they can handle!
Even though the bar at "Our" Place isCLOSED on Sundays - We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!Now playing at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . Sunday, February 4th thru 10th: The French Connection II (1975) Starring: Gene Hackman, Fernando Rey, Bernard Fresson, Jean-Pierre Castaldi & Charles Millot - and - The Package (1989) Starring: Gene Hackman, Joanna Cassidy, Tommy Lee Jones, John Heard & Dennis Franz. SHORT: The Three Stooges - Yes, We Have No Bonanza (1939).
The French Connection II (1975)
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PLOT SUMMARY:
"Popeye" Doyle travels to Marsailles to find Alain Charnier, the drug smuggler that eluded him in New York. The New York City narcotics detective follows the trail of the French connection smuggling ring where he teams up with the gendarmes to hunt down the ringleader.
from: amazon.com
The Package (1989)
Gene Hackman, A sergeant is sent with a prisoner from Germany. The prisoner escapes in the men's room at National Airport and Hackman begins his search for his man. Enlisting the help of his ex wife (Joanna Cassidy) and various old friends he finds that the prisoner is part of a plot by senior military figures on both sides to kill the Soviet premier in order to sabotage arms control talks.
SHORT: Yes, We Have No Bonanza (1939)PLOT SUMMARY: Featuring Moe, Larry & Curly
The Stooges are singing waiters who find out their girlfriends' father will be jailed if their debts are not paid off. This makes the boys become prospectors. What they find is buried money stolen by their boss. Their boss discovers his stolen loot and the chase is on. The Stooges lasso a cigar store horse to the crooks' getaway car which crashes into the local jail.
from: threestooges.net
Enjoy! Tom
g-day Tom and all present.
Well, it's good to be back again.
Rob- I enjoyed your article on classic stem, the Canadian northern. To bad the railroad didn't survive. It would have been a cool railroad. Atleast you can see some of the old line still in use. Thanks.
I also enjoyed looking at the classic adds. Those are some pretty cool adds. I wish I could see some of those with the passenger trains of yesterday. Unfortunately I was not able to.
Eric- Palm Springs, California. I saw one of those trains in Arizona and the terrain was the same. It didn't look any different. Mountains in the back gorund, nice sand, and rocks. It so hard to tell where the train is located down in the south western part of the U.S. Also like the picture of the BNSF Auto rack train near Flagstaff, AZ. I was there once to visit the Grand Canyon. The Canyon is about thirty or so miles from Flagstaff. And what a sight it is too.
I also liked the picture of the Durango and Silverton Railway. They are one of the coolest little steam operations I have seen. It would be an enjoyable ride.
Tom- Idiot of the week. Being fired is the least of there worries... If you know what I mean.
DL- So the Class 442 is like the EL in Chicago. The EL uses a third rail for its electricity. When the contact hits the rail, it makes quite a spark. It's actually really fun to ride too. They would accelerate to about 30 mph and then slow down to 10 mph in 200 hundred feet or so. So you're your body is constantly moving side to side and back and forth. It's an interesting experience.
Now it's time for pictures.
A pair of Erie lackamoney......lackawanna RS-2s stand by near Niles, Ohio.
Got to love Alcos.
A pair Chessie system GP40's race along with a passenger train. I think there notched out too.
I see the Sunday breakfast - brunch - lunch is doing well as the Track Gangs have arrived en masse! <groan> Makes for a busy time of it in the kitchen . . . Boris has the H&H gals <???> hoppin' - and THAT's quite a sight!
James dropped off a couple of Pix for us at 10:43 AM, followed by Doug's personal Pix at 12:19 PM! Was beginning to wonder about the man called barndad . . . But now I realize his rather "strange" avoidance of us yesterday most probably had to do with more serious matters - like taking care of his "hoss" and perhaps others. Commendable 'n understandable!
James, I think our Chicagoland connection would tell you that they use the letter "L" as opposed to "El" in reference to their elevated trains. If I recollect, it was done that way to distinguish themselves from New York City who used "El." How about that, Doug
Riding any of those trains is quite similar to what one experiences on the subways in NYC or elsewhere. The "herky jerky" fore 'n aft, side to side sway. All part of the experience!
Doug, appreciated getting those Pix via Email and am glad you provided them here for the gang!
My guess is Lars is en route Miami or there already. Anyway, here's some Pix that pretty much take one back to the days when rail travel to Florida was "in" . . .
ACL #538 E7A (Original line drawing art by Stan Lytle, enhanced with road colors and other details by Jack Bleiberg - from: www.getcruising.com/rails)
ACL poster "The Champion" Streamlining through wonderful Florida
(from: www.getcruising.com/rails)
ACL poster "The Champion" Speedy New York - Miami Streamliner
FEC #1001 E3A (Original line drawing art by Stan Lytle, enhanced by Jack Bleiberg - from: www.getcruising.com/rails)
FEC poster - "Henry M. Flagler" Streamliner on the Florida East Coast
(from: www.getcruising.com)
SAL #3011 E4A (Original line drawing art by Stan Lytle, enhanced by Jack Bleiberg - from: www.getcruising.com/rails)
Back again folks, with some news. My 20th Century Railroad club has an event planned this March 21st which may be of interest to ya'll. It's a tour of the Sanfilippo estate in Barrington Hills Illinois, and is open to 20th Century members and their guests. Attendance is limited to 125, and this estate is never open to the public. The estate is 57 acres and is the location of the Victorian Palace and Carousel buildings which total 50,000 square feet.
See this photo in color and more details at www.wurlitzer2003.com/victorian_palace.htm
Divided between the Victorian Palace, the Carousel building and a new steam-power building are musical instruments of almost every description.
These incluse an incomparable 80-rank Wurlitzer theatre pipe organ with a five-manual console, plus many other vintage mechanical organs. The enormous scale of the three-level music room includes a 13-foot-tall chandelier
A steamer built by the Grant Locomotive Works in Patterson, NJ, in January of 1881.
20th Century V.P. John Mueller took this photo in the Carousel building, with a steam engine in the foreground.
Anyhow ... I plan to go, hopefully with my bride. The cost is $60 a person and includes a shuttle from the Metra train station in Barrington, parking, admission and light refreshments. The event runs from 12:30 to 4:30.
I sure wish we could have this trip available for the 2008 Rendezvous, but this is an opportunity that doesn't come by very often. If anyone is interested in coming, I need to know ASAP!
Nifty Florida East and Atlantic Coast pix Tom! As for your question concerning the usage of "L" as opposed to "El", I always thought that "L" was more or less an acronym of sorts, that stood for "the Loop", which is the downtown area encompassed by the elevated tracks.
There was once an aspiring veterinarian who put himself through veterinary school working nights as a taxidermist.
Upon graduation, he decided he could combine his two vocations to better serve the needs of his patients and their owners, while doubling his practice and, therefore, his income.
He opened his own offices with a shingle on the door saying, "Dr. Jones, Veterinary Medicine and Taxidermy -- Either way, you get your dog back!"
Great photos everyone!!!
EricX2000 Nice variety of pics....I really like the Swedish switcher.
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