Good evening again Leon , I think another Keith's as I wind down the day.I see that Pete adn Allan have been in as well so all in all it's been an almost everybody in day heer at teh saloon we all love so dearly.
Pete-Nice to see you caught up and on the same page as all of us again I'm glad you liked the pictrues from the 29th.I'm guessing that the car you were interested in is L&PS #8 (London & Port Stanley Railway ) she's the only operable car from the L&PS still existing. delson owns #10 and 14 but neither have been restored and are essentially just frames. We have locomotive L2 by our front gates as well. It is a beautifull carif you think teh outside is snappy you should see the inside it is the true belle of our fleet.
Allan-I'm glad you found the TTC article interesting. I'll re-run the other two parts over the comming days and weeks.There is alot of Street railway history in the city of Toronto, and of coarse teh street railways and subways still make up a viable people moving system ,moving more than a million persons a day.
Rob
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, my friend! A double cheese burger and curly fries. And a super sized Root Beer, please!
Back after missing a couple of days (bad gall stone days)! I don't have time enough tonight to catch up on everything but started on it. The rest is coming next time. Happy New Year to all of You!!!
Rob – Since I am retired I must be kind of old, but my eyesight is okay and I still know what a human being (your wife) looks like. At least in most cases and absolutely in this case! My best to your wife! You better be careful, the trainshed X2000 is sitting under is St. Louis Union Station! I promise not to tell Tom. Nice museum shots! How many operational streetcars do you have at the muesum? Would be interesting to have a look at those timetables from 1941!Tom – Wow, quite a few movies! Do you know how many different ones?You managed to catch Stealthy Pete in front of the dome car! Good shot!Thanks for the info on VIA’s use of streamliners on the “Ocean” route. I got the same impression of New Orleans as you did. Went to World’s Fair there on an extended vacation trip 1984. I did not know that #8444 was supposed to be there. It was just a nice surprise. Our (my 1st wife and I) vacation trip lasted a little bit more than four months. We bought a car and drove around. I agree, Willie Nelson’s version of City of New Oorleans is the best. It was very popular 1984! Gilbert American Flyer Instruction book looks interesting! Thanks for the Canadian History during the month of December! Always interesting to read. CM3 – I checked BCT’s website a year ago and read about the work they are doing. I understand if Boris is kind of confused when you try to explain the price for lower and upper berth. I had to read it several times and now I know it is lower because something is higher. Or whatever.Chris – Welcome to the “Nocturnal Steward Team”. Lets keep everybody else awake as well! Amtrak’s F69PHAC pulled the ICE-train on its National Tour. The X2000 was pulled/pushed by 2 F40’s. I have a website about the X2000 in the USA, check this link.http://web.mac.com/ericx2000/iWeb/X2%20in%20USA/Welcome.htmlInteresting site you have! I’ve to come back later, need to get some sleep tonight. Saw your look alike, Benny Anderson!
St. Louis. 1993.
JanOlov – Thanks for all drinks!Allan – Fax-machine instead of a PC? Hmm, maybe that would work!? Fergie – Flat bed of Keith’s? Where, when? Eric
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G'day Gents!
Comments from the Proprietor:
Name the DoNut Machine CONTEST underway!
<closes on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 at NOON (CST)>
Lars . . . . GreeseMeister (27 Dec)
Sven . . . . The Halo Creator (27 Dec)
Pete . . . Holey-Moley (27 Dec)
Rob . . . . Track Greeser (27 Dec)
Mike . . . . Greasel Doughcomotive, built by EMD (eat more donuts) (29 Dec)
<Contest Participants may "vote" for any of the above by sending me an "offline" Email - NOT via the Forums pu-leeze!>
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Rob (trolleyboy) at 1:39 PM ‘n 3:09 PM ‘n 3:13PM ‘n 5:27 PM: First off it was a pleasure speaking with you yesterday - another hour or more "logged" in some fast pace ‘n interesting chat! Many thanx for the "visit"!
Covered lots of ground in those four Posts, so let me just touch upon a few thoughts:
. . . Copperkettle! Yeah, I recall. By all means feel free to "enlighten" the new crew
. . . There are SOME things that government does well. However, if what you infer regarding that VIA Rail website is true - then shame on ‘em. I've always had far better luck with my reservations by calling their 800 number in Moncton . . . "works" for me. Just like to scope out what's available FIRST on the web site - helps to have a baseline to work from before getting into the nitty-gritty. At least that's the way I've done it.
. . . As we discussed, graffiti has become a recognized art form. HOWEVER, when placed upon OTHER PEOPLE's PROPERTIY without their PERMISSION, it becomes VANDALISM. Most doubtful the culprits will get caught, but it sure would be nice if . . .
. . . I couldn't enlarge that "mystery foto" <from Chris> large enough to make out the herald. Waiting for the "answer" too . . .
. . . TTC, Part I appreciated . . . lotsagudstuff! Perhaps best now to run the remainder on our Saturday Encores now that the holidays are over . . .
. . . Some "good stuff" about Boris! A POWERED tooth pick dispenser Good Gawd Gertie - they've been flying outta here at Mach I . . . <geesh>
You Sir, are sick - sick - sick, but a most enjoyable ‘n appreciated asset of this place called "Ours"! A Five Salute to our trolleyMAN!
MoPac Chris (MoPacBarrettTunnel) at 5:04 PM: Really a fine offering from our Resident MoPac Connection!
Methinks you are being oh-so humble about your talents . . . but that's fine. My thoughts are it ain't braggin' if you can do "it," and YOU DID!
No personal comparisons, Mate - not my style. Appreciate the thought . . . .
Good Morning Barkeep and all present; coffee, please (with a splash); round for the house and $ for the jukebox. It's a baked potato in the pocket morning today; five degrees, snow, and just enough wind to make it interesting. Had to drag the K9 Korps in this a.m. b4 heading to work as he likes this stuff! Gas holding at $3.19 but we're waiting until the next butterfly burps in Nigeria. My, didn't West Virginia put an old time back alley mugging on OU last night.
Rob was here with comments and archival material. I assume you watched the hockey game from Buffalo. Many of the hockey players (unlike baseball players) have a sense for the history of their game. We all played on ponds when I was a pup - wouldn't know what to do if we ever go smooth ice. BTW, did anyone catch the insane bit of stick handling in the first period by Crosby? Jeesh! BTW, alma mater was well represented by Ty Conklin.
Eric - Good to hear from you and hope you are able to sit up and take nourishment. Incidentally the bit about the Pullman sections is an ancient vaudeville routine which probably was an ancestor to the classic Who's on First.
Allan visited - hope you are doing well.
Pete was in as well with wide ranging observations.
MoPac- I know it's a Buffalo, but as OSP noted the picture won't enlarge enough to get a good look at the logo. Incidentally, I have been accused of being an SPF as well.
OSP is here with a nice collection of vintage ads. Lovely stuff and well chosen.
I'll try and stop by later if time permits, but now (sigh) to a month's backlog of paper work or what I used to call, "Feeding the system," back when I was bossing.
Work safe
Now Arriving on Track Number Two!
Hard Cover Classic Train Books for the Can-Am Library!
Number One
AMTRAK - Color History Series <A 2007 Christmas present!>
Book DescriptionThis pictorial history is only the second of its kind to trace the 30-plus-year history of Amtrak, beginning with a look at the rise and fall of privately run passenger train service followed by a look at Amtrak's infant stage from 1971 through 1976. Also examined is the period from 1976 to 1991, when Amtrak finally established an image, buying new equipment and refurbished old and grew its ridership despite a severely limited budget. Modern and period color photos illustrate such aspects of Amtrak as its motive power, including the high-speed Acela Express; its diverse array of rolling stock and equipment, famous long-distance trains past and present; short-haul corridors.Against all odds, the passenger train survives in the United States. The formation of Amtrak in 1971 heralded the end of privately operated passenger train service and ushered in an era of intercity train travel financed on a budget that has vacillated between the virtually non-existent and the barely adequate.- The only extant pictorial history of America's only passenger rail network- Amtrak ridership in 2001 topped 24 million, the highest in its history- Passenger rail travel may be a concept whose time has come in this country, considering the woeful state of the airline industry and the efforts of prominent belt way politicians like Tom Harkin to make Amtrak a viable national passenger railwayAbout the AuthorBrian Solomon has authored several books about railroads and motive power, including MBI's recent Modern Locomotives and GE Locomotives. His writing and photography have been featured in the world's most prominent railfan publications, including TRAINS and RailNews. He splits his time between Monson, Massachusetts, and Dublin, Ireland.
VIA Rail - Color History Series <A 2007 Christmas present!>
Book DescriptionGo VIA Rail and see Canada: Here is Canada's national railway, covering 14,000 kilometers of track from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and from the Great Lakes to Hudson Bay. This illustrated history tells the story of how, starting in the early 1970s, VIA Rail became a separate Crown corporation, once and for all relieving the old Canadian National and Canadian Pacific railways of their beleaguered passenger operations. It is a story rich in history-and marked with failures and misfortunes right up to our day, when a need for convenient, fuel-efficient mass transportation holds out hope for a renaissance. Archival and modern photography, route maps, and print ads help detail the history of VIA Rail's motive power and passenger cars from the likes of General Motors, Bombardier, Montreal Locomotive Works, and Budd Company, as well such passenger trains as The Canadian, The Atlantic, The Ocean, and The Super Continental. Chris Greenlaw also explains all of the political machinations that have inevitably shaped the railroad, and delves into its connection with Amtrak via The Maple Leaf. <from: amazon.com>
Book DescriptionGo VIA Rail and see Canada: Here is Canada's national railway, covering 14,000 kilometers of track from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and from the Great Lakes to Hudson Bay. This illustrated history tells the story of how, starting in the early 1970s, VIA Rail became a separate Crown corporation, once and for all relieving the old Canadian National and Canadian Pacific railways of their beleaguered passenger operations. It is a story rich in history-and marked with failures and misfortunes right up to our day, when a need for convenient, fuel-efficient mass transportation holds out hope for a renaissance. Archival and modern photography, route maps, and print ads help detail the history of VIA Rail's motive power and passenger cars from the likes of General Motors, Bombardier, Montreal Locomotive Works, and Budd Company, as well such passenger trains as The Canadian, The Atlantic, The Ocean, and The Super Continental. Chris Greenlaw also explains all of the political machinations that have inevitably shaped the railroad, and delves into its connection with Amtrak via The Maple Leaf.
RDC - The Budd Rail Diesel Car <A "fixture" in my library!>
Definitive history of Budd's self-propelled passenger rail cars
Passing Trains <Another "fixture" in my library!>
Book DescriptionPassing Trains examines the changing face of Canadian railroading over the past 50 years and features the work of more than two dozen of North America's finest railroad photographers. With over 200 color photographs, as well as gallery-quality black-and-whites, this book takes us back in time for an intimate view of old-order railroading and how it has evolved. <from: amazon.com>
Book DescriptionPassing Trains examines the changing face of Canadian railroading over the past 50 years and features the work of more than two dozen of North America's finest railroad photographers. With over 200 color photographs, as well as gallery-quality black-and-whites, this book takes us back in time for an intimate view of old-order railroading and how it has evolved.
Canadian Pacific: Stand Fast Craigellachie! <Another "fixture" in my library!>
Paul Brown, Branchline [Bytown Railway Society], February 2004This is a truly spectacular volume. ReviewGlobe and Mail : An oversized volume of fabulous train photos.Bill Robertson Saskatoon Star Phoenix : A gorgeous book, with photos of old and new trains and some wonderful Canadian landscape.Don Denton Victoria Times-Colonist : Jammed full of technical and historical Happy Railroading! Siberianmo Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 3, 2008 11:04 AM Good day Tom and all at the bar. Since Jan is still buying, I'll have a Glen Levitt straight up with a splash. Maybe it will help with the back pain. Thanks all for your concern and best wishes. Greetings to Chris, your latest addition to "Our place". I used to think I was indestructible, but this back thing will take the best of them down. All my other health problems are mostly non-existent now (hypertension, high cholesterol), but this back thing is degenerative and not likely to improve. It is keeping me from doing things like working on my engine, cooking and general shop work. I can't stand long, sit long or lie down for long. The painkillers are keeping me going for now. I wish I could visit more frequently, but I'm sure you will understand why I'm not. On the brighter side, my son and daughter gave me a 22 inch monitor for Christmas. What a difference from the 16 inch one I had. I can finally see better pictures on my Autocad© program. The weather down here is miserable. One day, you have to turn on the A/C, the next, it's down to freezing. At the moment, it's 25° (10AM) warming up to 47° in the afternoon, then back down to 33° tonight. The cold certainly isn't good for my back, so I'm staying warm in the house. My son hasn't been able to work due to heavy rain all last week. The ground is too soft to support his 18 wheeler dump trailer. It is frustrating for him. There is so much work available, but the rain has halted all operations. I know this is a train oriented place, but I can't seem to get too involved right now. Maybe a few of my older pics will help. The following courtesy of Aerozep 3207 Edit LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, January 3, 2008 12:20 PM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!!Ruth my deAH, set ‘em on the Larsman! And a HAPPY 2008 to one ‘n all from the Keys of Florida where it is sunny but rather chilly for these parts - not quite to the 60's F . . . that cold snap you've been reading about has really gone far south . . . <brrrrrrrr> A double jolt of JD if you please . . . Boris, I see you've been really good about feedin' the crittAHs, so ‘til I say otherwise, those LARGE jars of PPF are for you - ONE PER DAY though! <grin> Ring the bell - this round is on ME! Keep the change my deAH Ruth! I've pretty much kept up with the reading since my last visit, but must admit to skipping the reruns as I just haven't been able to remain on line for as long as I'd like. So, thanks to the dailies from Da Bossman ‘n all the fine other "stuff," I'd say I'm as up to speed as I'm gonna be for awhile. Thanks to those of you who sent me email - finally got around to checking it! <grin> Not to worry, I won't abandon this place in the mannAH of so many othAHs - not my style. Been keeping Cap'n Tom clued in on what's happenin' in my life, so I expect he'll pass on whatever he feels our "nucleus" needs to know.Not one to put forth the personal "stuff" at the bar - meaning the really personal. Ain't a good thing to do, plus it simply allows "the world in" on what should be private. So that's the way I do it. Too many other sites get into this overly done "I'm not feeling good," - or - "My great-aunt Matilda passed away," and so forth. Glad we don't do that here. <yuck> ‘nuf said . . . B4 anyone jumps my case, I'm NOT addressing any of you - we all come down with this or that <routine> - but of course when something serious crops up, yeah - we'd like to know. So I'm not quite as heartless as it may sound. <grin>Very sorry to learn of Sven's decision to check out, BUT do admire his "upfrontness" in letting us know. Hardly what we've witnessed with more than a few, huh Hope you're able to stop by from time to time - enjoyed "knowing you," even if for only a short time. In checking out the B'day Watch List I picked up on the additions of SVEN - and - CHRIS! <sweet> Some drop off while others are added. Such is life in the fast lane, huh Speaking of CHRIS - nicely done contributions, mate! Hey Cap'n Tom! Really like that new addition of yours for the book covAHs - a special touch <as only YOU seem to come up with> to add some descriptions! 5- Salute to Da Bossman who not only is the little engine that thinks he can, but he DOES! Hey Rob! What's going on Dontcha know you can't "make it up," nor can you "wear it out!" I'll leave the latter to your imagination! Anyway, great to see that you've been able to keep things stoked while things have been slow. But really, I think we're actually doing bettAH than we were at this time last holiday season ‘n start of the new year. A tribute to those who give a rat's patoot - which you are now back at the top of the list of! Hey Pete! Gone AGAIN - back AGAIN! <geesh> Dontcha EVER stay home Well, we surely NEED our Bar Chandler, so let's not be too willing to jump off-line in the near futAH, or else . . . <uh oh> By the way - many thanx for that email . . . Hey Eric! Cold in the desert I read! <ha ha ha ha ha> Ooooooooops. Sorry ‘bout that! Keep up the appearances, ok Da Bossman really needs guys like you at the bar. Don't quite know what we'd be like withoutcha! Hey Shane! Good to see you're still working for Da Man . . . aren't you getting to a "point" where retirement factors in coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, January 3, 2008 1:44 PM Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Temperature's is up to 15 degrees and, OMG, the sun is out.DD1 visited - Hope you will get better soon.OSP stoppd by with book covers. Get the NYNH&H book - it is an outstandine piece of work.Then - who's that emerging from the frozen orange groves - it might be, it could be, is is Lars! Happy New Year to you, sir! Appreciated your comments. I am in the KMA category, but am So not ready to leave.Since Lars has set up shop, here's a piece of 1950 era ACL ad copy for y'all.America's Favorite Winter VacationlandFlorida and the Sunny SouthThree lightweight Streamliners via the only double track route between the east and Florida.Florida Special - The only streamlined lightweight Pullman train between the east and Florida.East Coast Champion - The only streamlined lightweight coach train between the east and Florida.West Coast Champion - The only streamlined lightweight Pullman-coach train between the east and central and west coast Florida.ATLANTIC COAST LINE RAILROAD - First in Florida TravelTomorrow I plan to post the second installment on transcontinental sleeper service. This segment deals with the New York Central. It took awhile to get it unraveled, but I think we got it.work safe Fergmiester Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Out on the Briny Ocean Tossed 4,240 posts Posted by Fergmiester on Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:18 PM I can't See, I can't See!!! Oh Thanks Tom it's just my glasses steaming up and No! not the Beer Ones!!Good Late Afternoon Captain Tom and SundryI'll have a Kieth's... Actually two as I have two very frosty glasses with me. speaking of...Not much on the home front today except it's COLD ! -17C this morning. At present it's a balmy -10C (-15F) Anyway Made it to the LHS this morning and picked up another Rapido passenger car and two True Line Train Cabeese My Birthday present from Lisa.Sven: I am in the same boat as you buddy the info on this site can be daunting but I can ride shot gun for ya and take the heat! BTW Bob good article on the TTC and early Torontonian stuff.Allan and others thanks for the well wishes. It's been a hectic week and a half I must admit but traffic on the MESS is moving once again as "601" got a badly needed class one retrofit (Removed the old MRC Prodigy sound system and replaced it with a Tsunami )Here's something all you Land locked sailors may find interesting. The ship in the rear is the Terry Fox, the last ship I was assigned to before the Hudson. There are also "Lakers" doing their thing as well on other clips. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqvoRGsPbUQLater AllFergie http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959 If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007 Fergmiester Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Out on the Briny Ocean Tossed 4,240 posts Posted by Fergmiester on Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:26 PM I forgot it... It's Wednesday!3100 has been fitted out with Tsunami and shakes the walls when she's a blow'nBTW~~ That load of Kieth's went missing somewhere at the borderhic http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959 If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007 siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, January 3, 2008 4:22 PM G'day Gents!Good to see a smattering of activity 'round the bar today - topped off by the return of our Manager, Lars! Also appreciate the double visits by CM3 Shane 'n Fergie! See that Ron has made it to the 'puter - must be difficult doing all that while on your back! <grin> Yeah, I know - it only hurts when you laff! <grin> Thanx for thinking of us 'n sharing some fine fotos! I know it's Wednesday 'n thanx to Fergie, our "tradition" has continued on . . . I'm not in the mood for Toy 'n Model Trains Day today - had pretty much my "fill" 'round here over the holidays - as these Pages will attest. So a break is in order for the Proprietor. daunting eh Why, we're a mere handful of guys compared to the feeding frenzies going on elsewhere. Only daunting if one lets it get to that stage! More comments in the AM "summary" . . .* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *These fotos were enclosed in a Christmas card received from CM3 Shane . . . thought you guys would enjoy them. <Details from his enclosed note . . >Top foto: The obs car is West Texas & Buffalo Steamship & Railway Co. "DAGNY TAGGART" This car is named for the heroics of Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged. The car has a distinguished history being one of three 5-double bedroom buffet lounge cars built by Budd for service on the New York Central's "Southwestern Limited." <I'll yield to Shane for the remainder - having difficulty READING his writing! >Bottom foto: CSX 7738 leads a west bound coal train through Prince, WV. Taken on Oct 23, 1995. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Enjoy! See ya in the 'morrow . . .Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, January 3, 2008 4:42 PM Good afternoon Leon, I see that you have the fires well stoked today , which is a good thing a hearty -15C in my neck of the woods but it's a tad blowy so the wind chills got it at about -25. Cold enough to freeze the brass whoops can't say that in a puiblic place like this bad meI think a nice tall glass of Guiness for today,and here's few extra bob for the boyz as they come and go tonight.Tom-A fine rendition of the ole bookmobile. I do like that motorbooks series someone close to me got me the VIA one for my last birthday and I've procured copies of the CN and CP one as well I'm in no hurry to reserect all the TTC stuff,I'll pace it don't you worry,theres plenty of other stuff in the pipeline to keep us all entertained.I've put my best guesses onto Chris's locomotive, I couldn't blow the shot up big enough to completely make out the herald either , so I'm dying to see how close or how far I am when he reveals the answer. I can't entirly remember the whole story of Copperkettkle as it was a cration of Nick from Westwales. Suffice to say when Nick was the chief chef here at Our Place he brought this Aztec individual in ( a former emperor or something of that nature ) as his sous chef and general help round the kitchen , he then fell in with our Teutonic Ladie Hilda and Helga ( H&H ) and became quite the talented Zepplin pilot , so he now occupies the head pilot down at the Mentor Zepplin shed where he handles our cross pond mail and passenger service. He still amkes a wonderfull jungle ragou however when we get the chance to turn him loose in the kitchenLars-Top of the day to you sir, sounds like you are settling in which is a good thing.I'm glad to know I'm on the top of the Rats Patoot list and not Vito's list <uh oh >I'm not sure what to make of the saying, my addled grey matter may eventually sort it outI'll make sure that Boris treats the critters well while your gone oh and did you notice that Chris brought him a new one to play with Spike the porcupine or as Boris likes to happily say his motorized tooth pick dispenser <uh oh>. I wonder how spike gets on with Boris's rubber friends Eric-We have about twelve cars that are regular service vehicles. Two Peter Witts 2894 , and 2424. Three PCC's 4600 ,4611 which are all electric cars and one air electric PCC 4000. The open car's 327& 23Double truck wood car 1326 is used for high days and holy days only and Montreal and Southern Counties 107 is likewise a once in a while used car. ,L&PS #8 our heavy interurban. Several work cars Snowsweeper S37,Grinder W28 and PCC Grinding train W30-31.Line car 45 and flatmotor W4 . Beyond that we have about ten others that can operate,plus about 50 other vehicles still requiring restoration some needing more work than others.Fergie-Uh Oh better not let Vito know that you high-jacked the hooch I love that little you-tube clip some neat stuff thanks for sharing it with us.Looks to be some real action happening on the MESS, want to come over and help me get my frankensteinlike layout running I'd love to be able to say It's alive It's alive That and I'd love to be actually able to run my trueline cabooses as well. can't hardly wait for the CPR ones they are painting one of them for the Grand River Railway. For some reason I'm just going to have to buy one or two or threeI'm glad you liked the TTC piece keep watching I'll get the rest re-printed again over the comming weeks. Keep warm and dry, hope you were spared the worst of the latest couple 'o' storms that hit your parts .Rob trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, January 3, 2008 4:50 PM oops dabossman snuck back in. Nice shots from Shane, some "real" railroading happening in those thar photo's.Thanks for reminding me again too , the photo's Sir Ron dropped off were keepers, some really interesting traction shots as well as some of the other earlier passenger streamlinners. Thanks for taking the time out to share them Ron. I do hop the latest round of back woes , subsides so you can get back out into your shop Shane-Yup I vaguly remember strapping on some skates and oplaying some shinney in the frozen backyard ice patch.I tended to be on my posterior more than on my skates which is why for me hockey is a spectator sport only. That was some game outdoors in Buffalo though. As Tom and I chatted about yesterday,someone at the NHL head office actually came up with something right for a change. Imagine 70,000 scremeing hockey fans watching a high speed high class game outside the way the game was ment to be played. 5x for those that put that together.Rob pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:45 PM Hi Tom and all.Still on catch up RUTH so keep the Bathams coming please.CHRIS Many thanks for the great photos. I had not seen a photo of the G5 before or know very little about it. It looks like a terrible way to treat a GG1, a bit like Thompson's re-build of Gresleys first pacific for the LNER, Allan would know about this. I think that Pennsy livery does wonders for the Amtrak Genesis unit. I read recently that the Freightliner company in the UK has ordered 30 Co-Co 3,700 HP GE Genesis locomotives, the locos will have a driving cab at each end as usual on BR. They will be the first mainline GE locomotives to run in the UK, although the EMD locomotives are very successful there.Really enjoying the ‘green' loco quiz between Rob and you.RON Real sorry to hear about the pain you are in with your back, try and stay in the warm.Many thanks for the very interesting photos. From the London horse tram, domes streetcars and model subway cars. It would be good to know more about that Pennsylvania 446 vehicle.ROB It is a real shame I Missed the Our Place New Year's party although some of the antics by H&H would probably be too much for a delicate soul as me.Really sorry to read about that act of vandalism at the museum it makes one wonder what is in the mind of those creatures, as you say even if caught it is doubtful the punishment will fit the crime. At the very least them, or their parents should be made to pay for the cost of the re-paint.Yes since we got those specially strengthened Army surplus barrels there is some of BORIS's Lager still about, but even the track gang are wary of trying it, so it seems I got back just in time.Many thanks for the early days of the TTC in the Classic Juice, I see the introduction of the Lifeguards are mentioned and it always great to see No 327.Thanks for the info on L&PS #8, I will have a look to see if I have a photo of the cars at Delson, it would be good to see a photo of #8's interior I bet it is the Pullman of the Streetcars.As you say Copperkettle is the main Zeppelin pilot nowadays as H&H are now full time in the kitchen in-between their other pursuits. Yes if SPIKE gets to near to BORIS's ‘friends' it could be the end of a short but beautiful friendship. CM3 Thanks for the info on the G5 as you say it must have been quite a sight to see one switching.Many thanks for the ACL ads to sunny Florida and looking forward to the NYC transcontinental sleeper services.SVEN I was sad to read you won't be able to come to the bar as often as you would like to. It has been great to have you along if only for a short while and AWK was getting very attached to you. I know and I am sure I speak for the regulars, when I say you will be very welcome to call in and see us anytime you can. Very Best Wishes for 2008.ALLAN Thanks for the kind words. If I remember right, there was a similar scene at Paddington Station when the Great Western No 6000 King George V was the first steam to leave the station in preservation days when a HST set left Paddington alongside the ‘King', not quite the same as the Scotsman and the Deltic.Tom and I had a great time at the Museum there were not many visitors at the time and I think locomotives look great in the snow. ERIC Hope you are feeling better than the last few days.It was good to have look at your X2000 web-site again. I see there is EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Friday, January 4, 2008 12:54 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, it is time for my weekly Rumpsteak Café de Paris! The usual, yes. Catching up a little bit more tonight. Should be all done by tomorrow.Chris – Interesting locomotive! Old, kind of strange asymmetrical trucks. I don’t recognize the logo. Looking forward to more info.Some very interesting pictures! A Genesis in PRR livery! That would be something else. And PRR G.5! Never seen a picture of one before. I am sure it did not win any design award.Very interesting paint scheme! Bet it was some kind of test of different kind of paint to see what kind best could stand the heat from the locomotive and the sun. The Swedish State Railways had one of their electrics painted in a number of different colors years ago for that purpose. Ron – Sorry to hear about your back problem. Arthritis of the spine doesn’t sound good at all. I have Arthritis in my hands and I think that is bad enough. Hope you get well, or at least pain free (without pain killers) soon. CM3 – I noticed that the gas price jumped to $2.99 today. Someone on TV said the price is expected to reach $4.00 in 5-6 weeks! Something to look forward to. Sven – Sad news! I can understand why, but it is still sad. Hopefully we will see you whenever you have some time. Tom – Some classic RR ads from yesteryear! I remember the top one, Florida East Coast, from an earlier post and it is still one of my favorites. Rob – Toronto Railway Company is a very interesting company. I read an article not long ago. But it did not mention anything about TRC building over 600 cars and work equipment in their own carbarns! Is Double Trucker #1326 operational? I have a feeling it is not but is awaiting full restoration. Pete – Thanks for the info on the cow and calf. I did not expect them to still be in service, but you never know. I think Engineer Tom is about to operate a Big Boy. I like that headlight switch in the ceiling! Allan – Part time retirement makes me long for my full time retirement next December! But it is nice not to have to work every weekday. Photo of X2000 at Union Station, Chicago, was probably taken June 26, 1993, when it was on static display. Roughly 3,500 people came to have a look at it. X2000 in Chicago, June 1993. Eric MopacBarrettTunnel Member sinceAugust 2006 62 posts Posted by MopacBarrettTunnel on Friday, January 4, 2008 2:23 AM Evening, Gents!!!Leon, a pitcher of porch-climbers, please. Boris looks SO cute cuddling his "Spike," although I think I'm going to have a word with him later about "hugging" until one's eyes bulge out.....General note, All - things are getting mighty busy for me, so there might be times in the near future where I might "disappear" at odd times. My blog will keep all informed, if I can't leave word here directly - just a "heads-up" for future reference.So, shall we?Rob - well, since you got 95% of it anyway, Good Show!!!! Our "Mystery Buffalo" is indeed a Baldwin; Union Railroad DRS 6-6-1500m #617, to be precise. She was repowered at EMD in 1959, and had her nose chopped around 1970. She's very similar to the C&NW's "GP-6-6-1500" rebuilds, and the Katy's AS-16m rebuilds {which wound up on the C&NW}. The Buffalo's story {which is where I got the pic from} can be found here:http://www.rmrrc.net/Newsletter/back_issues/February,%202003_newsletter_print_res.PDFGREAT photos; I'm especially taken with the 1904 flat motor W-4. Wouldn't it look purty, parked alongside Yakima Valley Transportation's line-car "A?"Pete - thankee kindly for the compliments!!! To date, the bulk of my overseas pics are of German subjects {my brother did two tours there; 1988-92, and 1999-2002}, but I'm not done "going abroad" just yet!! I'll take you up on your kind offer with an easy one to start off: is the Duchess's gorgeous "Tuscan-Red" {word-up, Cap'n!} garb original-issue, or was it applied post-retirement? As for your Jeff City exploits, I'll rely on you as my "down-the-line" eyes from now on - holler if you see any SP "patched" C44's, if you would? One thing I forgot to mention earlier - for fun, download Google Earth {or any other GPS-based program}, and use it to "trace" rail lines. You'd be surprised how many abandoned/original routes you can find with it - which I've done myself on our Sedalia Sub for many enjoyable hours. West-to-east, Gray's Summit, Pacific, Eureka, Glencoe, Kirkwood, and St. Louis proper all have traces of the original MoP main line. Just a happy suggestion, Mate.Allan - happy to be of service!!! I've been having a blast with both rooting in my personal photo collection, and digging online goodies up. TONS of great material will be forthcoming, trust me. On a side note - I'm sure both you and Pete {along with our Cap'n, among many others} have noticed the way I lace my writings with "English mannerisms" {"Mate," "spot-on" "me poor head/brain" etc.}. This is my long-standing magpie-habit. As I entered adulthood - especially when I started to travel with the band - I developed the habit of picking up/falling into local dialect, mannerisms, and in most cases accents {which I've done in Kentucky, Tennessee, England, and Germany, among others}. It's my interpretation of "When in Rome, do as the Romans do," if you will. Even though I'm a true Missouri native, my deepest lineage traces back to England, Scotland, and Ireland!! That, plus the fact that I've frequented various The Who and Cream forums for a good decade now ought to fill in the rest of the details. "Just shakin' the bushes er, roots, Boss!"Eric - well this particular Nocturnal Steward's brain must be fritzed up; I totally forgot about the ICE demo going on in the same time-frame. all I know is that I remember seeing the F69's pulling something lightweight down the west side of Kirkwood Hill!! Thanks for the link, BTW - I bookmarked it already, so I can savor at length and leisure........... And thanks for what you said in yesterday's post, too - plenty more where all you mentioned came from!!!Cap'n Tom - point made and taken, won't 'appen agan, Guv'nor!! As for the "transience" of forum members here, I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. It happens all the time everywhere else, but you hit the crux of the matter in the fine compliment you paid to me about my MySpace thing: "it ain't braggin' if you can do "it," and YOU DID!" Same goes for posters here, and elsewhere - those who want to, will. As long as you have a "hard-core" you're good to go, and this place clearly has a hard-core element. Despite my efforts and enthusiasm, I won't consider myself hard-core until this time next year. Several sets of wonderful ads and book covers you've shared with us the last two days, Cap'n - I don't know where to start. For now I'll cop out without mentioning particulars - they're ALL good!!!! {And I'm lazy.}Shane - no worries, Mate; the link above tells all about the Buffalo, I'll just note that your post is filed under "great minds think alike," and we'll move on. Don't let the workload overwhelm you, my Friend. This place is ideal for frequent breaks, so you know you've got at least one "pop-valve cluster" to lean on if need be..............DD1 - fine set of pics indeed!!! I'm most taken with the b&w shot of the AM-103; I k Eagle Expidited Merchandise Service - 'cos DHL, FedEx, and UPS are ignorant of their history.......... siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Friday, January 4, 2008 7:04 AM <personal foto>Reason "things" happen!Law of the Result:When you try to prove to someone that a machine won't work, it will. G'day Gents!The first Friday of 2008 is upon us - which of course all who worked <even some> of this shortened week, now have a weekend to look forward to! Siddle up to the bar, draw a mugga Joe - grab a few pastries ‘n order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast to kick start the day! Comments from the Proprietor: Time to REMIND a few to use the REFRESH feature on your browser BEFORE ‘n AFTER Posting . . . it's the ONLY way to ensure that you are seeing the MOST CURRENT INFO at the bar. Name the DoNut Machine CONTEST underway!<closes TODAY at NOON (CST)>Lars . . . . GreeseMeister (27 Dec)Sven . . . . The Halo Creator (27 Dec)Pete . . . Holey-Moley (27 Dec)Rob . . . . Track Greeser (27 Dec)Mike . . . . Greasel Doughcomotive, built by EMD (eat more donuts) (29 Dec)<Contest Participants may "vote" for any of the above by sending me an "offline" Email - NOT via the Forums pu-leeze!> Reminder: Drinks are "on" Jan thru tomorrow . . . Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:47 AM: "They" say there's a first time for everything - did I hear you say you wanted a "splash"???? Really!! Now that's gotta be a FIRST! I KNEW we'd eventually CORRUPT you! <grin>I did enjoy Mizzou winning their bowl game - happy about WVA too - just think the entire "thing" is outta whack. Don't know what in the world they were thinking with the "finalists" for this year's National Championship. Oh well, what do I know I wasn't asked . . . <grin>Used to know a funny "potato" joke - but not baked. Hmmmmm, come Rendezvous III, I'll remember it! With the early AM temps in the single digits latetly, Juneau has been one pulling sled dog. I mean he LOVES this stuff <recall that scene in Major League with the manager in the hospital listening to the ball game??> Many thanx for the visit, round ‘n quarters! <KaChing - KaChing> Ron (DD1) at 11:04 AM: Another visit from our part-time Resident Southern Gentleman down in Mississippi! Down but not out - now that's a GOOD sign! Some fine fotos - perhaps more than we're accustomed to at one shot - but nice anyway! I NEVER did find the info I was looking for on that AM-103 . . . <groan>Thanx for taking the time ‘n making the effort to ENJOY yourself with US! Lars (LoveDomes) at 12:20 PM: Our Manager has returned! Good to hear from you again, Lars ‘n really appreciate your taking the time to hoist a couple with us! Said it before ‘n will repeat it again - we've NEVER had a m Happy Railroading! Siberianmo coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, January 4, 2008 9:16 AM Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. A bit warmer this a.m. (18 degrees) and folks went back to school albeit on a 2-hour delay. The K9 Korps is enjoying the weather, we had to literally drag him into the house last night. Well, the butterfly burped and gas is now $3.25 this a.m. when I filled up on the way to work. Lots of interesting posts since yesterday. Pete was here with wide-ranging comments. Good to hear from you. Eric - See my gasoline comments above - hope you are doing o.k. Fergie stopped by twice with words and ‘pichers. Hijacked truck, indeed. The Greater Mentor Chamber of Commerce (Missing Loads Division) will hear of this. Mopac sent along some more material and pictures. I knew it was a Buffalo, but, as I said, I couldn't enlarge the picture to "see" the logo. The Union Railroad was (and is) an interesting (although elusive) operation. Sorting out the railroads around Pittsburgh was, until recently, kind of like trying to arrange a plate of spaghetti. So here's a little history of the Union. In 1950, it operated between North Bessemer and "J" Tower where it split into several branches. The Union's Monongahela Southern Division had two parts; the Main Line between J Tower and Mifflin Jct. and the Clairton Branch which ran between Clairton Jct. and Wylie. Steel and materials related to its manufacture was the reason for the Union's existence. It connected with a variety of roads such as the P Company, P&LE, B&O, B&LE, P&WV, Montour, and the Unity Ry. Most of these lines are pretty well known except for the Unity which operated approx 4 miles between Unity Jct. and Renton, PA. They had freight connections with the B&LE at Unity Jct. and with the PRR at Renton Jct. Oh, we have more pictures. C&O 4523, a r/p ex Pere Marquette E7. The cars are all C&O as well - a good choice, sir! Then we have one of, IIRC, three silver-painted G motors. This scheme did not last long as it was impossible to keep clean. I will have tor recuse myself from the quiz re RI 621. "Ugly Christine," indeed. Hint - she was "around" long before Stephen King. The C&O 7300s frequented the Russell, KY area. Oh, there's a NH DL109 at Readville. A few got the McGinnis paint - I remember them well. OSP - Thanks for posting my pictures. Handwriting? Although naturally left-handed, my school system made everyone write right handed. Yes, Boris, there was punishment administered if we did not do so. That explains why the writing leans so bad. I learned to type (now there's a forgotten skill for the museum) at an early age and never looked back. I pounded out many a story on old Underwood uprights as a stringer for a newspaper when I was in high school (and later on as well). It made it quite easy to compose on the screen when the computers came into use in the workplace. In fact, most of my posts are done "on the fly." Anyway, I'll dig out my notes and provide a legible explanation. Here are some more words of wisdom from mechanics I've worked with over the years - triggered by your machinery quotation."Jeez, it's not supposed to do that.""Never seen it bend like that - ever."And my all time favorite"Let's run a smoke test and see what happens."What follows is the second part of the transcontinental sleeper series we began awhile back. The first installment covered the PRR. Today we look at the NYC. Again this was put together from public timetables and ORG. Enjoy. Part 2: New York CentralNew York Central advertising copy in March, 1950 boasted about the railroad's "Coast -to-Coasters" which afforded passengers, "Five Scenic Routes Between New York and California." The first of these Pullman lines operated via the NYC and the Santa Fe on the "20th Century Limited" and the "Chief." Westbound passengers had a choice of a 4 compartment/4 double bedroom/2 drawing room car or a 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car between New York and Los Angeles. Similar service was available eastbound.The "20th Century" departed Grand Central at 6:00 p.m., with a 9:00 a.m. arrival at La Salle St Station, Chicago the next morning. The cars were switched from La Salle St. to Dearborn Station and added to the Chief which left at 1:30 p.m. with an 830 a.m. arrival in Los Angeles two days later. Eastbound passengers left Los Angeles on the "Chief" at 12:30 p.m. and arrived at Dearborn Station at 11:30 a.m. two days later. The cars were switched to La Salle St. and the eastbound "Century" departed at 5:00 p.m. with a 9:30 a.m. arrival the next morning in New York.NYC Train 19, the westbound "Lake Shore Limited," was a workhorse that handled through sleepers from New York and Boston to Chicago, set out Pullmans at Cleveland and Toledo, carried a car from Toronto to Cleveland (picked up at Buffalo), worked a Chesapeake and Ohio Pullman from Toledo to Chicago, and carried a westbound transcontinental Pullman from New York to Chicago, as well as a full complement of coaches and a diner.Passengers wishing to travel to San Francisco on the "California Zephyr" boarded a 10 roomette/6 double bedroom Pullman on NYC 19 at 6:15 p.m. in New York. They arrived at LaSalle St. Station at 11:59 a.m. the next morning. The car was switched to Union Station where it departed on the CB&Q at 3:30 p.m. After a trip via the CB&Q, D&RGW and WP, arrival in San Francisco was ay 4:50 p.m. the second day out from Chicago. NYC 22, the eastbound "Lake Shore Limited," handled New York-bound transcontinental Pullmans from several routes. On certain days 22 left Chicago with 10 Pullmans, coaches, a sleeper lounge and a diner. Train 22 left Chicago at 6:15 p.m. with an 11:59 a.m. next day arrival in New York.Eastbound passengers on the "San Francisco Overland" departed San Francisco at 9:00 a.m. Pullman accommodations were in a 10 roomette/5 double bedroom car which arrived two days later at 1:00 p.m. at Northwestern Station in Chicago after traveling via the SP and C&NW. This car was switched to LaSalle St. where it was added to NYC 22 for the trip east. NYC 22 also carried the eastbound 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car from the "California Zephyr" which departed San Francisco at 9:00 a.m. and pulled into Union Station, Chicago at 1:30 p.m. two days later. This car was switched to LaSalle St. to continue east on NYC 22. Last, NYC 22 handled Los Angeles-New York sleeper which originated on the "Los Angeles Limited." This 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car left LA at 12:01 p.m. with a 2:00 p.m. arrival at Northwestern Station two days later. The car was then switched to LaSalle St. and left on NYC 22.Westbound, NYC train 65, the "Advance Commodore Vanderbilt," carried the 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car which was handed off at Chicago to the "Los Angeles Limited." 65 left New York at 3:30 p.m. reaching LaSalle St. at 7:30 a.m. The car was switched to Northwestern Station for a 12:01 p.m. departure with a two day later arrival in Los Angeles at 10:40 a.m. NYC 59, the "Chicagoan" handled transcontinental sleepers from New York to a pair of routes departing Chicago. This train departed New York at 11:00 p.m. with a 3:00 p.m. arrival the next afternoon in Chicago.The train carried the westbound New York San Francisco 10 roomette/5 double bedroom car which ran on the "San Francisco Overland" west out of Chicago. The "Overland" left C&NW Station at 8:00 p.m. with a two-day later arrival in San Francisco at 6:50 p.m.The "Chicagoan" also carried the 4 compartment/4 double bedroom/2 drawing room car which operated west of Chicago via the RI/SP "Golden State" Route. At least this car did not have to be switched in Chicago as the "Golden State" ran out of LaSalle St. The westbound "Golden State" left at 10:15 p.m. with an arrival at 5:15 p.m. (as always two days later) in Los Angeles.The eastbound "Golden State" departed Los Angeles at 12:30 p.m. and arrived in Chicago (two days out) at 11:30 a.m. The 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car left Chicago an hour later on NYC 6, the "Fifth avenue Special" which arrived in New York at 11:59 a.m. the next day. Work safe siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Friday, January 4, 2008 3:00 PM G'day Gents!Looks like the first Feast or Famine Day in 2008 here at the Tavern by the Tracks . . . so FEAST on this! Now Arriving on Track Number OneBack in the Day# Nine - The NYC Twentieth Century Limited The 20th Century Limited was an express passenger train operated by the New York Central Railroad from 1902 to 1967, during which time it would become known as a "National Institution" and the "Most Famous Train in the World." In the year of its last run, The New York Times said that it "...was known to railroad buffs for 65 years as the world's greatest train." The train traveled between Grand Central Terminal in New York City and LaSalle Street Station in Chicago, Illinois along the railroad's famed "Water Level Route". The NYC inaugurated this train as direct competition to the Pennsylvania Railroad's Broadway Limited, both lines intended for upper class as well as business travelers between the two cities. Making few station stops along the way and as few breaks for water and coal as possible, trains on this route routinely could make the 960.7-mile journey in as little as 15 1/2 hours (but usually in 16 hours): about 60 mph. Known for its style as well as for its speed, passengers walked to and from the train on a plush, crimson carpet which was rolled out in New York and Chicago and was specially designed for the 20th Century Limited; thus, the "red carpet treatment" was born. <from: wikipedia.com> In 1938 the noted industrial designer, Henry Dreyfuss, was commissioned by the New York Central to design the streamlined train sets in Art Deco style, with the locomotive and passenger cars rendered in blues and grays (the colors of the New York Central). The streamlined sets were inaugurated on June 15, 1938. His design was extremely famous, and probably the most famous American passenger train of all time. All were destroyed and used as scrap metal. <from: wikipedia.com> Enjoy! Tom Missed any #1 Pullman Company . . . . Page 102#2 The Singing Brakeman . . . Page 103#3 The Chiefs of the Santa Fe . . . Page 116#4 The TurboTrain - Part I . . . Page 126#5 The Turbo Train - Part II . . . Page 126#6 The Train of Tomorrow . . . Page 133#7 The Wabash Railroad . . . Page 140#8 The Broadway Ltd of the PRR . . . Page 148 Happy Railroading! Siberianmo siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Friday, January 4, 2008 4:16 PM G'day Gents!A bit o' news for our crew . . . Winner of the DoNut Machine CONTEST is Mike (wanswheel) with Greasel Doughcomotive as the name for our DoNut MoSheen! Many thanx to all who participated - you may pick up your miniature inflatable doll <by Boris> as our token of appreciation for your efforts! <grin> As for Mike, well you are welcome to ALL of those greased do-nut holes you can handle - anytime, all the time! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *A New Haven EP-5 takes train 225 toward New York City. (Courtesy of Artist: Gilbert Bennett - www.xmission.com) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *And yet ANOTHER mascot has arrived at the bar - this time from the warped mind of trolleyMAN Rob - a critter called Spike the Porcupine! <uh oh> Drinks on Da Bossman! Boris - ring the ding . . . Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Friday, January 4, 2008 5:45 PM Hi Tom and all.A pint of Bathams XXX please RUTH.ERIC Yes the photo is in the cab the Big-Boy at the Museum of Transport in Kirkwood.I think there may be some UP slug units in use in Kansas City although I have yet to see one, but I did see one of the KCS locomotives painted in the old KCS passenger colours.I find the locomotives on the local freight here are interesting as they are of the smaller classes some of which were from some of the Companies that UP took over like the Rio Grande I believe.CHRIS So Rob nearly got it right, thanks for the link to the Buffalo story.My friend back in England has recently been to Germany and he has sent me his photos, I will post some more tomorrow.I believe Duchess 6233 is correct in that livery but very few can. I must explain a bit. The Duchess's or to give them their official name Princess Coronation, were introduced in 1938 streamlined. The first 5 6220-6224 were in Caledonian Blue with white stripes the next 5 in red with gold stripes.6229 changed numbers and name with 6220 Coronation to attend the New York World Fair and there is a lot of similarity with the GG1 livery I think.A link to some magazine covers that show the Streamliners, although I think the red is too dark.http://www.geocities.com/fredpipes/trains/coronation2.htmla link to 6229(6220) visit to New York.http://www.geocities.com/fredpipes/trains/coronation3.htmlThe next 5 locos 6230 to 6234 were built without the streamline casing in LMS Maroon originally with a single chimney later a double chimney was fitted making a very handsome loco. A problem with drifting smoke led to the fitting of the smoke deflectors. The next batch 6235 to 6248 were streamlined, then the last of the original Duchesses 6249 to 6255 were not. After the war in 1946 the streamlining was removed. During the war they were painted black and for a short time afterwards in lined black. With the nationalization of British Railways in 1948 some Duchesses were painted in Caledonian Blue although it is said this paint scheme did not wear well, the locos were then all painted Brunswick Green. In the late 1950s some Duchesses were painted in maroon although the ones allocated to the Scottish shed at Polmadie, Glasgow stayed in Green and so did most of those allocated to Crewe.There were two more Duchesses built in 1947 which was an Ivatt development of Stanier's original designI will have a look at the Google map site thanks.Great selection in the Random Rampage. Loved the GG1 in silver and the UP # 5037 certainly looks different. Even with CM3's clue I have no idea on the quiz. Thanks for sharing.If I see anything out of the usual through here I will let you know.Did not know you were a Who fan, great video of Mitch Mitchell.CM3 Thanks for the kind words.Many thanks for the history of the Union and the details on Chris's photos.Enjoyed the Transcontinental sleeping car services that the NYC handed over in Chicago. I see the 20th Century Limited took about 3 hours shorter to get to Chicago then NYC 19.Very good words of wisdom heard in the workshop.TOM I think the Law of the Result applies to my computer, I think it just doesn't like me.That sounds a really great DVD set you got for Christmas. Do you know how long that tunnel is mentioned in the first DVD.Yes I noticed how close the US Southern and the UK Southern color is on their locomotives. The LNER done a poster which was a parody of the Southern one for the Flying Scotsman train, in sort of art deco style, with the driver of an LNER pacific so high up in the engine cab he is speaking to the youngster on the platform through a loudhailer. Train Watching can be catching; during the bad weather here the bride took the bus to work and took great delight in telling me she had seen a locomotive in SP livery.Many thanks for the Back in the Day # 9 on the NYC 20th Century Limited which ties in very well with CM3's post. A 60 MPH average over nearly 1,000 miles with steam power really is a great achievement Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 4, 2008 6:59 PM Good day Tom and all at Our place. Jan has picked up the tab, but let me contribute to the fund. Chris: You asked about the AM103 shovel nose diesel electric shown in the following picture. A description follows: Note: This is a translation from the Spanish, but you should have no trouble understanding it.With attention it was observed in Chile the successes achieved by the railroads German in the posteiores years world-wide the economic crisis, mainly in the creation of new fast services between the cities of greater importance. These services, taken care of by automotive of electrical diesel traction, managed to arrive at a high degree of efficiency after a period of test that covered the route Berlin - Hamburg as of 1930 what it even gave the name them of "Automotive Train Hamburg type". Finally in 1938 technicians could occur by settled the previous studies as much as financiers and he was ordered to the German industry represented in Chile by the Ferrostaal company the manufacture of 6 diesel trains automotive - electrical of two cars, on watch express, modified type Hamburg, each one for 124 passengers of first class. Two motors MAN of 600HP, each one had to print to the convoy a terminal velocity of 130 Km/h. The electrical part of traction came from company AEG. Finally, in 1946, the pens of the steam "Rosalino Pilo" loaded those red-silverplate wagons that soon had to be the pride of Chilean rails but Chile not yet left the fuel shortage, so that only with the beginning of the itinerary of summer 1947/48 beginning could be given the normal service fast Santiago - Port Montt and Santiago - Conception with three frequencies semalanes in winter and six in summer. Few years the technology lasted the life utility of the Arrow of the South Already had advanced, his reduced capacity of passengers resulted in a little economic operation and, apparent lack of spare parts, did necessary to resort more of once, to the inventive talent of the mantención personnel. From 1954 part of the services taken care of by the automotive ones of the Hamburg type they began to be taken care of by new trains dragged by locomotives disel of type 7.000 (16.000), while red-silverplated, the prides of the Chilean rail, were relegated to secondary services as some frequencies between Santiago and Talca. until the branch to Cartagena had the honor to see in and a other opportunity one of those trains that had caused sense of expectancy between the travelling public. More than one vesz repaired one of the automotive ones completely classified by the administration of the Railroads of the State like type AM-100, to give it again to the service. But everything was in vain, in 1960 decreed the aim of which proudly they had been called "Arrow of the South". Reason: lack of vital spare parts for his mantencion, and stop operational cost. In 1988, in a visit to the Arsenal San Eugene, were enormous drawers with a legend in German who nobody understood. After cleaning the drawers of a heavy accumulated earth layer during decades of storage, they appeared complete spare parts, motors, conditioned air commandos, equipment and more and more parts and pieces pertaining to already the exiled Arrows in South the Too much Afternoon. Dietrich Angerstein. The AM103 was designed following principals developed in Germany by Man in 1930 which created the world's first streamlined train set. It ran between Berlin and Hamburg and was dubbed "the Hamburger Express".As you can see from the write-up, the AM103 wasn't a big success. Pete: I'm still researching the trackless locomotives ie: Pennsy 446.. I saw one up close when I was very young, I think in Union City or Newark, N.J. Tom: I came across the following, that might be of interest to you and others. Go to this site: http://alfredbarten.com/oldmaude0.html. It is the history of the first NYC T class engine in 1900. Very interesting, even for Pennsy fans. For all: I came across this site for back issues of magazines. I can't believe the prices being asked. I'm sure many issues of "Trains" you and others already have. I've included samples of some of the issues and their prices.http://www.antiqbook.com/bbox/nort/768a9697.shtml Ask a question orOrder this bookBrowse our booksSearch our booksBook dealer infoTrains - The Magazine of Railroading: September, 1963USA, Kalmbach. 1963, First Edition. Stapled, 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall. Magazine, Features: Railroad News Photos; Steam News Photos; The Southern Pacific's 'Daylights', 4-8-4s; Have you looked at the Guide Recently? - a veteran train rider finds all is not lost; CN's island railroad on Prince Edward Island (PEI); Photo Section; The Baldwins of Hokkaido - 1 - Far from home, but built in USA - great article with photos; and more. Average wear. Sound copy. Good.CAD 99.95 = appr. US$ 99.3503 Offered by: Rare Non Fiction - Book number: 821a2359See more books from our catalog: AmericanaTrains - The Magazine of Railroading: February 1963USA, Kalmbach. 1963, First Edition. Stapled, 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall. Magazine, Features: The BIG story - how to fill empty cars - unless rates are revised, the industry may expire - long article; Winter over White Pass; America's Success Railroad; Railroad News Photos; Steam News Photos; Trains Go to Alaska - 1 - Super photos, text and map; Stuart Saunders and his money making machine - 4 years at the throttle of Norfold & Western (N&W) - long article with photos; and more. Unmarked with average wear. A sound copy. Good.CAD 99.95 = appr. US$ 99.3503 Offered by: Rare Non Fiction - Book number: 821a2355Railroad Magazine, February 1974 - Vol. 95, No. 4USA, Popular Publications. 1974. Stapled, 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall. Magazine, 64 pages. Features: Chihuahua & Pacific Roster; Anniversary of California Zephyr; Interesting Railfans No. 134 - William c. Kessel; Passenger Train Survey; San Francisco's Railroad; and more. Two small date stamps upon front cover. Average wear. Sound copy. Good.CAD 48.95 = appr. US$ 48.6563 Offered by: Rare Non Fiction - Book number: 768a9769See more books from our catalog: Magazine Back IssuesSee more books from our catalog: AmericanaTrains - The Magazine of Railroading: March 1977USA, Kalmbach. 1977, First Edition. Stapled, 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall. Features: John W. Barriger III, 1899-1976; Derailment and accident photos; Steam's last chance - Pennsylvania Railroad gambles - and loses - on the steam-powered T1-class for passenger power after World War II; "Fireboy, know something? We don't fit through that bridge"; How to build a DL109 - great photos; Rio Grande's Monarch Branch Revisited - an exercise in the use of the 26-C automatic brake valve, F-3 retainers, and COBRA brake shoes; Colur centerfold of the Katy Pacific 401 (Lima 1920) in 1945; The Iris G, et al - much of Canadian Pacific's history has been written upon the water, perhaps most poignantly by this tug, its train-on-a-barge, and their ancestors; and more. Moderate wear. Unmarked. Quality copy. Good.CAD 49.95 = appr. US$ 49.6503 Offered by: Rare Non Fiction - Book number: 821a2321 Based on the above prices, we all have a fortune in back issue train magazines. I have some dating back to the 60's. This is a Canadian outfit. Maybe some of our Canadian friends know something about this site? I'm feeling better and as a result, have been able to spend more time at the computer, as it's too cold to work in the shop, Maybe I'll try tomorrow to hit the shop. My son started hauling dirt today and was able to move 3 loads (60 yards) until his ram pump quit. He replaced it and then his front tire blew out. A wasted day, but he will try again tomorrow. It has not been easy for him. Eric: As I was browsing back through the posts, I came across a picture of you in the cab of a class Ra locomotive (09-30-2007). It shows a steering wheel. I don't understand the use of a steering wheel in a vehicle that is guided by steel rails. Can you explain? Edit trolleyboy Member sinceMay 2014 3,727 posts Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, January 4, 2008 11:01 PM Good evening Leon , I think a spiked coffee would be wonderfull to end the ole day with No Boris I don't want spike to put his tail in my coffee There are days that i wonder how and why , Doug and Nick spent sooo much time teaching Boris englishTom-Yes I think I did rememnber that the first outdoor game in Edmonton was a CBC carried game only. Hopefully going forward that if they keep the outdoor game as a new years day tradition that they keep it available on both side of the boarder. Maybe next year could be a real, NHL old time rivalry game Toronto and Montreal , I can't think of two better natural enemies. that or the could have Ottawa play someone on the frozen surface of eh Rideau canal I prefer to think of my mind as a little bent not twisted or warped thank-you. still nice to see "spike" in the ah flesh. A great New York central piece sir I would ahve loved to have ridden that train back in the day I'm not sure I like the participation prize either , and you think have a warped mind , that's just wrong TomShane CM3- Wow , great info on the NYC dovetailed nicly with the good Sounds like your writting is as readable as mine ,<uh oh>I let Heather do the Christmas Card writing ,better that way , no one needs a translation key that way Thnaks for teh info on the Union railway as well ,certainly one of those interesting let little know lines ( to those outside of the area )Eric- Actually 1326 is operational , it was however last rebuilt in 1956-57 by our museum staff adn then run regularlt throughout teh 70's and 80's. The car as built was a convertable in that the right side could be removed and it was used as a summer open car, the openning side was permanently sealed on it and it's sisters in 1915 after the banning of the open style cars.The car now needs a full underframe resto and it's electricals need reworking , therefore we only use it in servcie on really speacial occations. The last official run with the general public on board was in 2005 at the 50th aniversary. The car is all wood underframe included which makes it that much more difficult to work on. it will get a rebuild , and it certainly is one of the most important exhibits at the museum as it is car #1 in our collectionPete-Those are a couple of intersting sites for the Brit steam thank-you. I really don't think the new years party would have been thant shocking for a man from the old country Thanks for the outrage over the "tagging" of the Gloster cars It's a known fact that teh young offenders act here in Ontario would just slap their hands should they even be caught which is unfortunatly highly unlikely I'm not even sure if they would make Mom and Dad pay for a paint jobIt's annoying to think that we may have to hire round the clock security people to patrol the sight,something we certainly don't want to have to budget for, as that will put a real damper on the restoration and operational budgets.Ron-Holy cow, I must be sitting on a fortune of magazines, those prices are nuts, most of my hard covered railroad books didn't cost that much to buy.I've not ever heard of that outfit , but from my experiance , anytime one mentions '"antique" as a descriptor for anything, it tends to drive the prices up to the atmospheric levels they have listed. Heck we sell old copies of rail magazines at the museum for a donation. The read on the AM 103 was quite interesting as well Chris-Ah so I came that close. It came to me yesterday when I was leafing throughmy copy of Greg Mac donnels Heartland. there was a shot of two Escanaba and Lake Erie Baldwins and the bodies were a dead ringer for your critter other than the EMD style rebuild cab that was on it.I was fairly certain after looking at the picture for a while that it was Either an FM or a Baldwin by the wierd tri-mount truck . Still good workout for the grey matter thank-you Loved today's pictures though I have to say a sneeze wasn't the first thing that came to mind when I look at the photo of the U-boatI'm glad that you like W4 but all I can say is that the other museum can't have it,I love running that car, the only drawback is that it still has cast iron wheels and since we use it infrequently you should see the sparks the wheels through when you first power her up.Rob EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Saturday, January 5, 2008 1:22 AM Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, the time is right for an early breakfast! The usual, coffee and a Cheese Danish. No, make it two! A large OJ, spiked! Congratulations Mike!!! You won the DoNut Machine Contest! The Greasel Doughcomotive!! I have to try one of those doughnuts. Tom – You are right about the poor condition of the platform in St. Louis. It was very similar last May to what can be seen in that photo from 1993. Nice book covers and I do have the first book, Amtrak! Hmm, RDC, how did that cover end up here? Hmm. Good choice!X2000 in that building in Chicago? It needed some maintenance work done (most likely some new brake pads). You are right, at least for the moment, the number of Swedes is decreasing. But.... Thanks for the 20th Century Limited info! Perfect complement to CM3’s NYC’s sleeper service info!Very nice picture of New Haven’s EP-5 running towards New York City! CM3 – I am doing fine, thank you! 15° F seems way too cold for me. $3.25 for gas? Wow, you can still get it for $2.89 here. Nice photos from Prince! Interesting observation car! It looks much better than the regular Amtrak cars!Thanks for part 2 of the Transcontinental sleeper service! Quite a few connections coast-to-coast with New York Central at the east end. Ron – A 22” monitor? That is a nice size! I have a 19” and that feels kind of small sometimes. Hope your son has been able to drive his truck again, or is it still raining? Nice photos! Including the thermos... sorry, the fireless locomotive on top! It looks kind of German including the name, Käthe, on the front. I like the last photo the most!Hope your back will get better soon! Interesting to read about the German AM103 in Chile. Kind of surprised that it was a diesel-electric train. Most German diesels are diesel-hydraulic. I am not the guy in the picture of the cab of Class Ra locomotive. It’s a good friend of mine who sent some photos to me last fall and he is the engineer in that photo. The “steering wheel” is the controller (throttle). It has 27 notches. Lars – Cold weather in Florida? It will probably get a little bit warmer later in the spring. Maybe. I heard they are sending an icebreaker to the Keys! At least we are back in the 70’s here now. Good to hear from you! Fergie – Cold in your part of the world too! Interesting video you linked to! It seems like they were very, very close. Or does it look worse than it was? Very nice photo from MESS! It certainly would be nice to hear the sound of 3100. Bad news about the flatbed loaded with Keith’s! Or did it finally show up?Rob – 12+10 operational cars! I would say that is pretty good. More than I expected. One day I’ll make it to Toronto again and then the museum is a must. Thanks for the info on 1326! Wood frame? I can understand that it will take some rework to get it back in perfect condition. Outside Trondheim, Norway. Pete – I am feeling better again. thank you! When we visited St. Louis with the X2000 there was a number of private cars sitting on those four tracks that still excisted at Union Station. Benny Anderson 61? Just a kid. Big Boy! That is what it looked like to me. I kind of recognized some controls from the Big Boy in Pomona, CA. Chris – Thanks for the info on the “Mystery Buffalo”! The reason the ICE train was pulled by the two F69’s was that the electric equipment in them came from Siemens, who brought the ICE to the US. But the Siemens people didn’t like when visitors thought the F69 was part of the ICE train. The F69’s front is kind of streamlined, especially if you compare with the F40. The F69’s were painted in the same colors as the ICE. The only thing I found out about CRIP’s #621 was the it had its original ALCO engines replaced with two EM siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! An adult bar 'n grill for the discussion of Classic Trains! Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 5, 2008 9:49 AM <personal foto>This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.G'day Gents!Saturday ‘n time to enjoy the weekend! Kick back with us as you enjoy our fresh coffee ‘n pastries! Hungry? Order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast! Comments from the Proprietor:Continuing REMINDER to use the REFRESH feature on your browser BEFORE ‘n AFTER Posting . . . it's the ONLY was to ensure that you are seeing the MOST CURRENT INFO at the bar.DRINKS are "on" JAN today! Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative): Friday - Jan 4th:CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 9:16 AM: Gotta tell ya that having you back in your "slot" really, really HELPS ‘round here. As our numbers of "regulars" has fallen off, the amount of TIME needed to keep this place "up on the Page" has increased for Moi. Not good. For example, we had about a 7 hour stretch on Friday during daylite where NO ONE came in . . . . Anyway, since we don't know when or if the Larsman will be able to resume his "regular" pattern - yours in the AM means a lot! Petrol is at $2.98 (rounded) . . . expect them to continue "up" as the world prices go bezerk. Gotta laff at the "smoke" test comment! Most enjoyable piece on the NYC transcontinental sleeper service . . . keep ‘em coming. I know it's work - but it's the kinda stuff this place is geared up for! Fast forward to 40 years from now, there's NO WAY that the reminiscing about TODAYs railroading will even come close to what we discuss regarding OUR memories of "back in the day." <bitter> <sweet>Much appreciation for the fine Post, dialogue, quarters ‘n round! <noticed you didn't order a ‘splash' this time!> Pete (Pwolfe) at 5:45 PM: Two fine links to peruse . . . noted that the "text" is copyrighted, leaving me to conjecture that the images may not be. Hmmmmm, would like to use ‘em for my magazine "series." I'll communicate with Mr. Pipes . . .That write-up regarding the "longest <RR> tunnel in north America" is from other sources - not me. I doubted it just as soon as I read it . . . anyway, that particular tunnel beneath Mt. MacDonald is 9.1 miles long (14,723 metres) and is Canada's longest. For, in the States we have the Henderson Tunnel through the Ute Mountains (Colorado) at 9.8 miles (15,800 metres)Two things I've never gotten "into" - fishing ‘n waiting for trains to pass by. Just not my "thing." Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching the trains passing - just am not "into" waiting ‘n waiting ‘n waiting . . . . <grin> Fishing Boring . . . if I need one I'll head for the market! Not pleased with your "prize" for participating, eh <geesh> Just like Rob <see below> can't please ‘em all . . . Thanx for the great conversation ‘n visit! Ron (DD1) at 6:59 PM: Quite a bit of material from our part-time Resident Southern Gentleman down in Mississippi! FINALLY got the "skinny" on the AM-103 - and it took an inquiry from Chris to spring it loose - "Lawd" knows how many times others h Happy Railroading! Siberianmo LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, January 5, 2008 11:11 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!Cindy my sweet, it can only be Saturday when the radiance around here is oh so brilliant! ‘tis the Larsman with a hankerin' for some strong Joe with a jolt if you please! Boris, WHAT is THAT THING you are hugging <ouch> <ouch> <yikes> It's a PORCUPINE! <Good Grief Charlie Brown!> Dontchaknow NOT to hug those things Poor thing's eyes are about to "pop" at that . . . . <grin>So now we've got "another mouth to feed" ‘round here. WHO in the world do we get to THANK for that, do you suppose??? Yeah, right - the trolleyBRAT, that's WHO! <grin> Just what this place needed . . . prickly little fella <gitchee gitchee> <ouch> <ouch> <damn!> We're still not quite "accepting" of those hulks women called H&H, now this . . <groan>Ok Boris - feed the gang wudja please Awk the parrot gets the seeds, Frostbite the penguin the bucket of cubes, Tex the armadillo the saucer of brine, Artie the owl the field mouse <outback PLEASE!>, Juneau the Siberian husky the chew bone - and now - Spike the Porcupine gets the tree bark <didjaknow babies are called "Porcupettes"??> Anyway, <phew> feed ‘em ‘n that LARGE jar of PPF is YOURS! <triple phew> Good to see youse since my last (Jan 3rd) goes to:Shane (3rd) - Fergie (3rd x 2) - Rob (3rd x 2) - Pete (3rd) - Eric (4th) - Chris (4th) - Shane (4th) - Pete (4th) - Ron (4th) - Rob (5th) ‘n Eric (5th). <phew> Sorry ‘bout the missing "narrative," but these dayz, "we takes what we gets," huh Of course, I MUST make mention of the ongoing contributions from Da Bossman to keep this joint rockin' along. From the DAILY morning summaries to the ‘special' submissions, it just goes on ‘n on. REALLY like those "features," especially the 20th Century Ltd. A terrific compliment to the "stuff" we've been treated to from Shane! By the way, one FINE looking painting of the New Haven in the snow. Man, makes me want to return to the wintAH . . . <wellllllllllll, maybe NOT really!> Sure is a well-done piece of art work ‘n brings back some fine thoughts of days long gone . . . So, the MoSheen has a name - good choice from the "committee." Some mighty fine entries along the way - NOT as many as I wudda thunk, but for those who participated, not bad. Hey! I LIKE my inflatable "by Boris!" <uh oh>Should make mention that Phil has asked to convey his "greetings" to the gang at "Our" Place. NO, he isn't gonna join us - but does "peek in" from time to time. He's just not on-line that often <so he says!> but when it comes to mind, he remembers the fun we have ‘round here ‘n likes to check things out. Said we have a few guys who should be "bottled" for their energy ‘n innovativeness <did I spell that right?!?> Anyway, regards to all from Plattsburgh Phil! I KNOW this is our Encore day along with photos - but I'm a bit behind the curve. So, let me see if I can get back later on. Ok??And by the way, you ARE warped Rob, not only WARPED, but DISTORTED! <uh oh>Best to all . . . and GO JINTS! Until the next time! Lars LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, January 5, 2008 11:48 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!Cindy my sweet, set up again on Da Larsman! Boris, ring it!! <gong - baaaaaawong!> <uh oh>Here's something to enjoy - a subject we've been having fun with over on Da Bossman's "other site." WHICH BY THE WAY, any of YOUSE can participate it. C'mon - what's the PROBLEM???? HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED to attract customAHs IF we all don't TRY???? (Shane 'n Rob are pretty much the only guys who regularly swing by. It only takes ONE pix - I mean HOW HARD IS THAT?????) <bratsafratz - a woId from Da Bossman's lingo!> Northern Pacific Rotary 10 steam snowplow (GNU Free Documentation/wikipedia.com)A rotary snowplow from the Oregon Short Line on display at the Mid Continent Railway Museum in North Freedom, WI. (Photo: Sean Lamb - wikipedia.com/ShareAlike)See y'all soon . . . GO JINTS! Until the next time! Lars EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Saturday, January 5, 2008 12:16 PM Good afternoon Captain Tom and gentlemen!!Hello Cindy, I haven't seen you for a long time. I think you should work all Saturday evenings. It's kind of early, but I'll have that juicy Filet Mignon and mushrooms! Steak fries and a cold Keith's, please! Just a brief stop to get something in my stomach and see how things are going here at "Our" Place. Tom – I guess the downward spiral of the Amtrak facility in St. Louis can be blamed on certain politicians in Washington D.C. Lars – Honestly, do you really want to return to the winter? It is okay to check the snow from a safe distance (>1,000 miles), but being in the middle of it? Nice photos of the rotary snowplows! I guess both NP’s #10 and O.S.L.’s rotary plows had to be pushed by a few locomotives. Just like this one. UP’s 900081, now on display at St. Louis Museum of Transportation. I'll be back with some more photos. Eric pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, January 5, 2008 12:34 PM Hi Tom and all.A cup of your ‘famous' coffee please CINDY.RON Glad you are feeling better and I hope your son has better luck with his vehicle real soon. Many thanks for the history on the AM 103. Mention of ‘The Flying Hamburger' reminded me that in the 1930 the LNER railway of Britain was thinking of going with diesel for its express trains and they studied the Flying Hamburger, the chief engineer of the LNER said "I will design a steam locomotive that will be better". The locomotives he designed were the famous A4s, with a streamlined front similar to the Am103.The prices wanted for those magazines are amazing.I will be very interested on any information you can find on that interesting Pennsy 446.Many thanks for the very interesting link to the NYC ‘Old Maude' and her sisters. It is great #6000 was saved. The change over from electrics to the steam locomotives at Harman New York was very well described, what a sight it must have been. Thanks for sharing.ROB Glad you like the links to the Streamlined ‘Coronation'.Unfortunately there is vandalism on preserved sites in the UK, it breaks my heart to read of the good work by volunteers ruined by people who, in my opinion, are a complete waste of space and the world would be a better place without them. I may be thick but I cannot understand how, when they are caught,why at the very least they are not made to pay for the damage done. It is a real shame that money put aside for restoration projects may have to be diverted to security.ERIC Many thanks for that good looking tram in Norway and the UP rotary snowplow..It is great that there are quite a few Big Boys saved, I have seen three of them so far. Although it would cost a great deal of money it would be wonderful to see one in steam hauling specials, I guess the only chance is if Hollywood wanted one for a film.LARS Great to see you in the bar and can you thank PHIL for his greetings and pass on my regards.At least SPIKE will be cheap to feed, only hope he does not find his way into the Penthouse Suite, those spikes could be very painful.I agree the NH painting is great I have always loved the railways in the snow; it must be a memory from my early days. It was great to go to the Kirkwood museum with Tom and see the snow on the ground..Many thanks for the photos of the Rotary Steam Snowplows, they certainly are impressive machines.TOM Glad you liked the links, I am always worried about copyrights so if any doubt I put the link in.Perhaps you can help me when they mention the Western Hemisphere, I guess it starts at the Greenwich Meriden in England but where does it ends, I guess Australia, but our Western would be their Eastern. OOH my brain hurts.I did have a cheap fishing rod as a kid and used to go a little with a friend, but the only time I enjoyed fishing was on the canal where I could watch trains.Still think it is best to steer clear of BORIS's inflatables.I have some photos and notes from Alan taken in Germany in October 2007 on the narrow and standard EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Saturday, January 5, 2008 1:39 PM Hello again all present!Cindy, I'm back. No, just a cup of coffee, please. Keep the change!Pete – The chance we ever will see a Big Boy in steam again is pretty slim I guess. But we can always hope for the best! I have aso seen three of the saved ones. Very nice photos from Alan and Germany! Thank you, Alan! I especially like the photos of Class 44, 3 cyl. 2-10-0 and the “Kriegslok” Class 52, 2 cyl. 2-10-0. Class 52 is basically a lighter version oc Class 44.Lars – Best regards to Phil! I forgot to include that in my previous post. Since Chris mentioned the ICE train the other day I thought I should show some ICE1 photos. Union Station, Washington D.C. 1993.Altoona, Germany 1990.The cab. ICE1 1990. Traction motor. Power car disc brakes. Passenger car disc brakes. ICE mug 1993. Eric « First«106107108109110111112»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! 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Good day Tom and all at the bar. Since Jan is still buying, I'll have a Glen Levitt straight up with a splash. Maybe it will help with the back pain. Thanks all for your concern and best wishes. Greetings to Chris, your latest addition to "Our place". I used to think I was indestructible, but this back thing will take the best of them down. All my other health problems are mostly non-existent now (hypertension, high cholesterol), but this back thing is degenerative and not likely to improve. It is keeping me from doing things like working on my engine, cooking and general shop work. I can't stand long, sit long or lie down for long. The painkillers are keeping me going for now. I wish I could visit more frequently, but I'm sure you will understand why I'm not.
On the brighter side, my son and daughter gave me a 22 inch monitor for Christmas. What a difference from the 16 inch one I had. I can finally see better pictures on my Autocad© program.
The weather down here is miserable. One day, you have to turn on the A/C, the next, it's down to freezing. At the moment, it's 25° (10AM) warming up to 47° in the afternoon, then back down to 33° tonight. The cold certainly isn't good for my back, so I'm staying warm in the house.
My son hasn't been able to work due to heavy rain all last week. The ground is too soft to support his 18 wheeler dump trailer. It is frustrating for him. There is so much work available, but the rain has halted all operations.
I know this is a train oriented place, but I can't seem to get too involved right now. Maybe a few of my older pics will help.
The following courtesy of Aerozep 3207
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!!
Ruth my deAH, set ‘em on the Larsman! And a HAPPY 2008 to one ‘n all from the Keys of Florida where it is sunny but rather chilly for these parts - not quite to the 60's F . . . that cold snap you've been reading about has really gone far south . . . <brrrrrrrr> A double jolt of JD if you please . . .
Boris, I see you've been really good about feedin' the crittAHs, so ‘til I say otherwise, those LARGE jars of PPF are for you - ONE PER DAY though! <grin> Ring the bell - this round is on ME! Keep the change my deAH Ruth!
I've pretty much kept up with the reading since my last visit, but must admit to skipping the reruns as I just haven't been able to remain on line for as long as I'd like. So, thanks to the dailies from Da Bossman ‘n all the fine other "stuff," I'd say I'm as up to speed as I'm gonna be for awhile.
Thanks to those of you who sent me email - finally got around to checking it! <grin> Not to worry, I won't abandon this place in the mannAH of so many othAHs - not my style. Been keeping Cap'n Tom clued in on what's happenin' in my life, so I expect he'll pass on whatever he feels our "nucleus" needs to know.
Not one to put forth the personal "stuff" at the bar - meaning the really personal. Ain't a good thing to do, plus it simply allows "the world in" on what should be private. So that's the way I do it. Too many other sites get into this overly done "I'm not feeling good," - or - "My great-aunt Matilda passed away," and so forth. Glad we don't do that here. <yuck> ‘nuf said . . .
B4 anyone jumps my case, I'm NOT addressing any of you - we all come down with this or that <routine> - but of course when something serious crops up, yeah - we'd like to know. So I'm not quite as heartless as it may sound. <grin>
Very sorry to learn of Sven's decision to check out, BUT do admire his "upfrontness" in letting us know. Hardly what we've witnessed with more than a few, huh Hope you're able to stop by from time to time - enjoyed "knowing you," even if for only a short time.
In checking out the B'day Watch List I picked up on the additions of SVEN - and - CHRIS! <sweet> Some drop off while others are added. Such is life in the fast lane, huh Speaking of CHRIS - nicely done contributions, mate!
Hey Cap'n Tom! Really like that new addition of yours for the book covAHs - a special touch <as only YOU seem to come up with> to add some descriptions! 5- Salute to Da Bossman who not only is the little engine that thinks he can, but he DOES!
Hey Rob! What's going on Dontcha know you can't "make it up," nor can you "wear it out!" I'll leave the latter to your imagination! Anyway, great to see that you've been able to keep things stoked while things have been slow. But really, I think we're actually doing bettAH than we were at this time last holiday season ‘n start of the new year. A tribute to those who give a rat's patoot - which you are now back at the top of the list of!
Hey Pete! Gone AGAIN - back AGAIN! <geesh> Dontcha EVER stay home Well, we surely NEED our Bar Chandler, so let's not be too willing to jump off-line in the near futAH, or else . . . <uh oh>
By the way - many thanx for that email . . .
Hey Eric! Cold in the desert I read! <ha ha ha ha ha> Ooooooooops. Sorry ‘bout that!
Keep up the appearances, ok Da Bossman really needs guys like you at the bar. Don't quite know what we'd be like withoutcha!
Hey Shane! Good to see you're still working for Da Man . . . aren't you getting to a "point" where retirement factors in
Good afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Temperature's is up to 15 degrees and, OMG, the sun is out.
DD1 visited - Hope you will get better soon.
OSP stoppd by with book covers. Get the NYNH&H book - it is an outstandine piece of work.
Then - who's that emerging from the frozen orange groves - it might be, it could be, is is Lars! Happy New Year to you, sir! Appreciated your comments. I am in the KMA category, but am So not ready to leave.
Since Lars has set up shop, here's a piece of 1950 era ACL ad copy for y'all.
America's Favorite Winter Vacationland
Florida and the Sunny South
Three lightweight Streamliners via the only double track route between the east and Florida.
Florida Special - The only streamlined lightweight Pullman train between the east and Florida.
East Coast Champion - The only streamlined lightweight coach train between the east and Florida.
West Coast Champion - The only streamlined lightweight Pullman-coach train between the east and central and west coast Florida.
ATLANTIC COAST LINE RAILROAD - First in Florida Travel
Tomorrow I plan to post the second installment on transcontinental sleeper service. This segment deals with the New York Central. It took awhile to get it unraveled, but I think we got it.
work safe
I can't See, I can't See!!!
Oh Thanks Tom it's just my glasses steaming up and No! not the Beer Ones!!
Good Late Afternoon Captain Tom and Sundry
I'll have a Kieth's... Actually two as I have two very frosty glasses with me. speaking of...
Not much on the home front today except it's COLD ! -17C this morning. At present it's a balmy -10C (-15F) Anyway Made it to the LHS this morning and picked up another Rapido passenger car and two True Line Train Cabeese My Birthday present from Lisa.
Sven: I am in the same boat as you buddy the info on this site can be daunting but I can ride shot gun for ya and take the heat! BTW Bob good article on the TTC and early Torontonian stuff.
Allan and others thanks for the well wishes. It's been a hectic week and a half I must admit but traffic on the MESS is moving once again as "601" got a badly needed class one retrofit (Removed the old MRC Prodigy sound system and replaced it with a Tsunami )
Here's something all you Land locked sailors may find interesting. The ship in the rear is the Terry Fox, the last ship I was assigned to before the Hudson. There are also "Lakers" doing their thing as well on other clips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqvoRGsPbUQ
Later All
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
I forgot it... It's Wednesday!
3100 has been fitted out with Tsunami and shakes the walls when she's a blow'n
BTW~~ That load of Kieth's went missing somewhere at the borderhic
Good to see a smattering of activity 'round the bar today - topped off by the return of our Manager, Lars!
Also appreciate the double visits by CM3 Shane 'n Fergie!
See that Ron has made it to the 'puter - must be difficult doing all that while on your back! <grin> Yeah, I know - it only hurts when you laff! <grin> Thanx for thinking of us 'n sharing some fine fotos!
I know it's Wednesday 'n thanx to Fergie, our "tradition" has continued on . . . I'm not in the mood for Toy 'n Model Trains Day today - had pretty much my "fill" 'round here over the holidays - as these Pages will attest. So a break is in order for the Proprietor.
daunting eh Why, we're a mere handful of guys compared to the feeding frenzies going on elsewhere. Only daunting if one lets it get to that stage!
daunting
More comments in the AM "summary" . . .
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These fotos were enclosed in a Christmas card received from CM3 Shane . . . thought you guys would enjoy them. <Details from his enclosed note . . >
Top foto: The obs car is West Texas & Buffalo Steamship & Railway Co. "DAGNY TAGGART" This car is named for the heroics of Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged. The car has a distinguished history being one of three 5-double bedroom buffet lounge cars built by Budd for service on the New York Central's "Southwestern Limited." <I'll yield to Shane for the remainder - having difficulty READING his writing! >
Bottom foto: CSX 7738 leads a west bound coal train through Prince, WV. Taken on Oct 23, 1995.
Enjoy!
See ya in the 'morrow . . .
Tom
Good afternoon Leon, I see that you have the fires well stoked today , which is a good thing a hearty -15C in my neck of the woods but it's a tad blowy so the wind chills got it at about -25. Cold enough to freeze the brass whoops can't say that in a puiblic place like this bad meI think a nice tall glass of Guiness for today,and here's few extra bob for the boyz as they come and go tonight.
Tom-A fine rendition of the ole bookmobile. I do like that motorbooks series someone close to me got me the VIA one for my last birthday and I've procured copies of the CN and CP one as well
I'm in no hurry to reserect all the TTC stuff,I'll pace it don't you worry,theres plenty of other stuff in the pipeline to keep us all entertained.I've put my best guesses onto Chris's locomotive, I couldn't blow the shot up big enough to completely make out the herald either , so I'm dying to see how close or how far I am when he reveals the answer.
I can't entirly remember the whole story of Copperkettkle as it was a cration of Nick from Westwales. Suffice to say when Nick was the chief chef here at Our Place he brought this Aztec individual in ( a former emperor or something of that nature ) as his sous chef and general help round the kitchen , he then fell in with our Teutonic Ladie Hilda and Helga ( H&H ) and became quite the talented Zepplin pilot , so he now occupies the head pilot down at the Mentor Zepplin shed where he handles our cross pond mail and passenger service. He still amkes a wonderfull jungle ragou however when we get the chance to turn him loose in the kitchen
Lars-Top of the day to you sir, sounds like you are settling in which is a good thing.I'm glad to know I'm on the top of the Rats Patoot list and not Vito's list <uh oh >I'm not sure what to make of the saying, my addled grey matter may eventually sort it outI'll make sure that Boris treats the critters well while your gone oh and did you notice that Chris brought him a new one to play with Spike the porcupine or as Boris likes to happily say his motorized tooth pick dispenser <uh oh>. I wonder how spike gets on with Boris's rubber friends
Eric-We have about twelve cars that are regular service vehicles. Two Peter Witts 2894 , and 2424. Three PCC's 4600 ,4611 which are all electric cars and one air electric PCC 4000. The open car's 327& 23Double truck wood car 1326 is used for high days and holy days only and Montreal and Southern Counties 107 is likewise a once in a while used car. ,L&PS #8 our heavy interurban. Several work cars Snowsweeper S37,Grinder W28 and PCC Grinding train W30-31.Line car 45 and flatmotor W4 . Beyond that we have about ten others that can operate,plus about 50 other vehicles still requiring restoration some needing more work than others.
Fergie-Uh Oh better not let Vito know that you high-jacked the hooch I love that little you-tube clip some neat stuff thanks for sharing it with us.Looks to be some real action happening on the MESS, want to come over and help me get my frankensteinlike layout running I'd love to be able to say It's alive It's alive That and I'd love to be actually able to run my trueline cabooses as well. can't hardly wait for the CPR ones they are painting one of them for the Grand River Railway. For some reason I'm just going to have to buy one or two or threeI'm glad you liked the TTC piece keep watching I'll get the rest re-printed again over the comming weeks. Keep warm and dry, hope you were spared the worst of the latest couple 'o' storms that hit your parts .
oops dabossman snuck back in. Nice shots from Shane, some "real" railroading happening in those thar photo's.Thanks for reminding me again too , the photo's Sir Ron dropped off were keepers, some really interesting traction shots as well as some of the other earlier passenger streamlinners. Thanks for taking the time out to share them Ron. I do hop the latest round of back woes , subsides so you can get back out into your shop
Shane-Yup I vaguly remember strapping on some skates and oplaying some shinney in the frozen backyard ice patch.I tended to be on my posterior more than on my skates which is why for me hockey is a spectator sport only. That was some game outdoors in Buffalo though. As Tom and I chatted about yesterday,someone at the NHL head office actually came up with something right for a change. Imagine 70,000 scremeing hockey fans watching a high speed high class game outside the way the game was ment to be played. 5x for those that put that together.
Hi Tom and all.
Still on catch up RUTH so keep the Bathams coming please.
CHRIS Many thanks for the great photos. I had not seen a photo of the G5 before or know very little about it. It looks like a terrible way to treat a GG1, a bit like Thompson's re-build of Gresleys first pacific for the LNER, Allan would know about this.
I think that Pennsy livery does wonders for the Amtrak Genesis unit. I read recently that the Freightliner company in the UK has ordered 30 Co-Co 3,700 HP GE Genesis locomotives, the locos will have a driving cab at each end as usual on BR. They will be the first mainline GE locomotives to run in the UK, although the EMD locomotives are very successful there.
Really enjoying the ‘green' loco quiz between Rob and you.
RON Real sorry to hear about the pain you are in with your back, try and stay in the warm.
Many thanks for the very interesting photos. From the London horse tram, domes streetcars and model subway cars. It would be good to know more about that Pennsylvania 446 vehicle.
ROB It is a real shame I Missed the Our Place New Year's party although some of the antics by H&H would probably be too much for a delicate soul as me.
Really sorry to read about that act of vandalism at the museum it makes one wonder what is in the mind of those creatures, as you say even if caught it is doubtful the punishment will fit the crime. At the very least them, or their parents should be made to pay for the cost of the re-paint.
Yes since we got those specially strengthened Army surplus barrels there is some of BORIS's Lager still about, but even the track gang are wary of trying it, so it seems I got back just in time.
Many thanks for the early days of the TTC in the Classic Juice, I see the introduction of the Lifeguards are mentioned and it always great to see No 327.
Thanks for the info on L&PS #8, I will have a look to see if I have a photo of the cars at Delson, it would be good to see a photo of #8's interior I bet it is the Pullman of the Streetcars.
As you say Copperkettle is the main Zeppelin pilot nowadays as H&H are now full time in the kitchen in-between their other pursuits. Yes if SPIKE gets to near to BORIS's ‘friends' it could be the end of a short but beautiful friendship.
CM3 Thanks for the info on the G5 as you say it must have been quite a sight to see one switching.
Many thanks for the ACL ads to sunny Florida and looking forward to the NYC transcontinental sleeper services.
SVEN I was sad to read you won't be able to come to the bar as often as you would like to. It has been great to have you along if only for a short while and AWK was getting very attached to you. I know and I am sure I speak for the regulars, when I say you will be very welcome to call in and see us anytime you can. Very Best Wishes for 2008.
ALLAN Thanks for the kind words. If I remember right, there was a similar scene at Paddington Station when the Great Western No 6000 King George V was the first steam to leave the station in preservation days when a HST set left Paddington alongside the ‘King', not quite the same as the Scotsman and the Deltic.
Tom and I had a great time at the Museum there were not many visitors at the time and I think locomotives look great in the snow.
ERIC Hope you are feeling better than the last few days.
It was good to have look at your X2000 web-site again. I see there is
Leon, it is time for my weekly Rumpsteak Café de Paris! The usual, yes.
Catching up a little bit more tonight. Should be all done by tomorrow.Chris – Interesting locomotive! Old, kind of strange asymmetrical trucks. I don’t recognize the logo. Looking forward to more info.Some very interesting pictures! A Genesis in PRR livery! That would be something else. And PRR G.5! Never seen a picture of one before. I am sure it did not win any design award.Very interesting paint scheme! Bet it was some kind of test of different kind of paint to see what kind best could stand the heat from the locomotive and the sun. The Swedish State Railways had one of their electrics painted in a number of different colors years ago for that purpose. Ron – Sorry to hear about your back problem. Arthritis of the spine doesn’t sound good at all. I have Arthritis in my hands and I think that is bad enough. Hope you get well, or at least pain free (without pain killers) soon. CM3 – I noticed that the gas price jumped to $2.99 today. Someone on TV said the price is expected to reach $4.00 in 5-6 weeks! Something to look forward to. Sven – Sad news! I can understand why, but it is still sad. Hopefully we will see you whenever you have some time. Tom – Some classic RR ads from yesteryear! I remember the top one, Florida East Coast, from an earlier post and it is still one of my favorites. Rob – Toronto Railway Company is a very interesting company. I read an article not long ago. But it did not mention anything about TRC building over 600 cars and work equipment in their own carbarns! Is Double Trucker #1326 operational? I have a feeling it is not but is awaiting full restoration. Pete – Thanks for the info on the cow and calf. I did not expect them to still be in service, but you never know. I think Engineer Tom is about to operate a Big Boy. I like that headlight switch in the ceiling! Allan – Part time retirement makes me long for my full time retirement next December! But it is nice not to have to work every weekday. Photo of X2000 at Union Station, Chicago, was probably taken June 26, 1993, when it was on static display. Roughly 3,500 people came to have a look at it.
X2000 in Chicago, June 1993. Eric
Evening, Gents!!!Leon, a pitcher of porch-climbers, please. Boris looks SO cute cuddling his "Spike," although I think I'm going to have a word with him later about "hugging" until one's eyes bulge out.....General note, All - things are getting mighty busy for me, so there might be times in the near future where I might "disappear" at odd times. My blog will keep all informed, if I can't leave word here directly - just a "heads-up" for future reference.So, shall we?Rob - well, since you got 95% of it anyway, Good Show!!!! Our "Mystery Buffalo" is indeed a Baldwin; Union Railroad DRS 6-6-1500m #617, to be precise. She was repowered at EMD in 1959, and had her nose chopped around 1970. She's very similar to the C&NW's "GP-6-6-1500" rebuilds, and the Katy's AS-16m rebuilds {which wound up on the C&NW}. The Buffalo's story {which is where I got the pic from} can be found here:
http://www.rmrrc.net/Newsletter/back_issues/February,%202003_newsletter_print_res.PDFGREAT photos; I'm especially taken with the 1904 flat motor W-4. Wouldn't it look purty, parked alongside Yakima Valley Transportation's line-car "A?"Pete - thankee kindly for the compliments!!! To date, the bulk of my overseas pics are of German subjects {my brother did two tours there; 1988-92, and 1999-2002}, but I'm not done "going abroad" just yet!! I'll take you up on your kind offer with an easy one to start off: is the Duchess's gorgeous "Tuscan-Red" {word-up, Cap'n!} garb original-issue, or was it applied post-retirement? As for your Jeff City exploits, I'll rely on you as my "down-the-line" eyes from now on - holler if you see any SP "patched" C44's, if you would? One thing I forgot to mention earlier - for fun, download Google Earth {or any other GPS-based program}, and use it to "trace" rail lines. You'd be surprised how many abandoned/original routes you can find with it - which I've done myself on our Sedalia Sub for many enjoyable hours. West-to-east, Gray's Summit, Pacific, Eureka, Glencoe, Kirkwood, and St. Louis proper all have traces of the original MoP main line. Just a happy suggestion, Mate.
Allan - happy to be of service!!! I've been having a blast with both rooting in my personal photo collection, and digging online goodies up. TONS of great material will be forthcoming, trust me. On a side note - I'm sure both you and Pete {along with our Cap'n, among many others} have noticed the way I lace my writings with "English mannerisms" {"Mate," "spot-on" "me poor head/brain" etc.}. This is my long-standing magpie-habit. As I entered adulthood - especially when I started to travel with the band - I developed the habit of picking up/falling into local dialect, mannerisms, and in most cases accents {which I've done in Kentucky, Tennessee, England, and Germany, among others}. It's my interpretation of "When in Rome, do as the Romans do," if you will. Even though I'm a true Missouri native, my deepest lineage traces back to England, Scotland, and Ireland!! That, plus the fact that I've frequented various The Who and Cream forums for a good decade now ought to fill in the rest of the details. "Just shakin' the bushes er, roots, Boss!"Eric - well this particular Nocturnal Steward's brain must be fritzed up; I totally forgot about the ICE demo going on in the same time-frame. all I know is that I remember seeing the F69's pulling something lightweight down the west side of Kirkwood Hill!! Thanks for the link, BTW - I bookmarked it already, so I can savor at length and leisure........... And thanks for what you said in yesterday's post, too - plenty more where all you mentioned came from!!!Cap'n Tom - point made and taken, won't 'appen agan, Guv'nor!! As for the "transience" of forum members here, I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. It happens all the time everywhere else, but you hit the crux of the matter in the fine compliment you paid to me about my MySpace thing: "it ain't braggin' if you can do "it," and YOU DID!" Same goes for posters here, and elsewhere - those who want to, will. As long as you have a "hard-core" you're good to go, and this place clearly has a hard-core element. Despite my efforts and enthusiasm, I won't consider myself hard-core until this time next year. Several sets of wonderful ads and book covers you've shared with us the last two days, Cap'n - I don't know where to start. For now I'll cop out without mentioning particulars - they're ALL good!!!! {And I'm lazy.}
Shane - no worries, Mate; the link above tells all about the Buffalo, I'll just note that your post is filed under "great minds think alike," and we'll move on. Don't let the workload overwhelm you, my Friend. This place is ideal for frequent breaks, so you know you've got at least one "pop-valve cluster" to lean on if need be..............DD1 - fine set of pics indeed!!! I'm most taken with the b&w shot of the AM-103; I k
Reason "things" happen!
Law of the Result:
When you try to prove to someone that a machine won't work, it will.
The first Friday of 2008 is upon us - which of course all who worked <even some> of this shortened week, now have a weekend to look forward to!
Siddle up to the bar, draw a mugga Joe - grab a few pastries ‘n order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast to kick start the day!
Time to REMIND a few to use the REFRESH feature on your browser BEFORE ‘n AFTER Posting . . . it's the ONLY way to ensure that you are seeing the MOST CURRENT INFO at the bar.
<closes TODAY at NOON (CST)>
Reminder: Drinks are "on" Jan thru tomorrow . . .
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:47 AM: "They" say there's a first time for everything - did I hear you say you wanted a "splash"???? Really!! Now that's gotta be a FIRST! I KNEW we'd eventually CORRUPT you! <grin>
I did enjoy Mizzou winning their bowl game - happy about WVA too - just think the entire "thing" is outta whack. Don't know what in the world they were thinking with the "finalists" for this year's National Championship. Oh well, what do I know I wasn't asked . . . <grin>
Used to know a funny "potato" joke - but not baked. Hmmmmm, come Rendezvous III, I'll remember it!
With the early AM temps in the single digits latetly, Juneau has been one pulling sled dog. I mean he LOVES this stuff <recall that scene in Major League with the manager in the hospital listening to the ball game??>
Ron (DD1) at 11:04 AM: Another visit from our part-time Resident Southern Gentleman down in Mississippi!
Down but not out - now that's a GOOD sign! Some fine fotos - perhaps more than we're accustomed to at one shot - but nice anyway! I NEVER did find the info I was looking for on that AM-103 . . . <groan>
Lars (LoveDomes) at 12:20 PM: Our Manager has returned! Good to hear from you again, Lars ‘n really appreciate your taking the time to hoist a couple with us!
Said it before ‘n will repeat it again - we've NEVER had a m
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. A bit warmer this a.m. (18 degrees) and folks went back to school albeit on a 2-hour delay. The K9 Korps is enjoying the weather, we had to literally drag him into the house last night. Well, the butterfly burped and gas is now $3.25 this a.m. when I filled up on the way to work.
Lots of interesting posts since yesterday.
Pete was here with wide-ranging comments. Good to hear from you.
Eric - See my gasoline comments above - hope you are doing o.k.
Fergie stopped by twice with words and ‘pichers. Hijacked truck, indeed. The Greater Mentor Chamber of Commerce (Missing Loads Division) will hear of this.
Mopac sent along some more material and pictures. I knew it was a Buffalo, but, as I said, I couldn't enlarge the picture to "see" the logo. The Union Railroad was (and is) an interesting (although elusive) operation.
Sorting out the railroads around Pittsburgh was, until recently, kind of like trying to arrange a plate of spaghetti. So here's a little history of the Union.
In 1950, it operated between North Bessemer and "J" Tower where it split into several branches. The Union's Monongahela Southern Division had two parts; the Main Line between J Tower and Mifflin Jct. and the Clairton Branch which ran between Clairton Jct. and Wylie.
Steel and materials related to its manufacture was the reason for the Union's existence.
It connected with a variety of roads such as the P Company, P&LE, B&O, B&LE, P&WV, Montour, and the Unity Ry.
Most of these lines are pretty well known except for the Unity which operated approx 4 miles between Unity Jct. and Renton, PA. They had freight connections with the B&LE at Unity Jct. and with the PRR at Renton Jct.
Oh, we have more pictures.
C&O 4523, a r/p ex Pere Marquette E7. The cars are all C&O as well - a good choice, sir!
Then we have one of, IIRC, three silver-painted G motors. This scheme did not last long as it was impossible to keep clean.
I will have tor recuse myself from the quiz re RI 621. "Ugly Christine," indeed. Hint - she was "around" long before Stephen King.
The C&O 7300s frequented the Russell, KY area.
Oh, there's a NH DL109 at Readville. A few got the McGinnis paint - I remember them well.
OSP - Thanks for posting my pictures. Handwriting? Although naturally left-handed, my school system made everyone write right handed. Yes, Boris, there was punishment administered if we did not do so. That explains why the writing leans so bad. I learned to type (now there's a forgotten skill for the museum) at an early age and never looked back. I pounded out many a story on old Underwood uprights as a stringer for a newspaper when I was in high school (and later on as well). It made it quite easy to compose on the screen when the computers came into use in the workplace. In fact, most of my posts are done "on the fly." Anyway, I'll dig out my notes and provide a legible explanation.
Here are some more words of wisdom from mechanics I've worked with over the years - triggered by your machinery quotation.
"Jeez, it's not supposed to do that."
"Never seen it bend like that - ever."
And my all time favorite
"Let's run a smoke test and see what happens."
What follows is the second part of the transcontinental sleeper series we began awhile back. The first installment covered the PRR. Today we look at the NYC. Again this was put together from public timetables and ORG. Enjoy.
Part 2: New York Central
New York Central advertising copy in March, 1950 boasted about the railroad's "Coast -to-Coasters" which afforded passengers, "Five Scenic Routes Between New York and California."
The first of these Pullman lines operated via the NYC and the Santa Fe on the "20th Century Limited" and the "Chief." Westbound passengers had a choice of a 4 compartment/4 double bedroom/2 drawing room car or a 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car between New York and Los Angeles. Similar service was available eastbound.
The "20th Century" departed Grand Central at 6:00 p.m., with a 9:00 a.m. arrival at La Salle St Station, Chicago the next morning. The cars were switched from La Salle St. to Dearborn Station and added to the Chief which left at 1:30 p.m. with an 830 a.m. arrival in Los Angeles two days later.
Eastbound passengers left Los Angeles on the "Chief" at 12:30 p.m. and arrived at Dearborn Station at 11:30 a.m. two days later. The cars were switched to La Salle St. and the eastbound "Century" departed at 5:00 p.m. with a 9:30 a.m. arrival the next morning in New York.
NYC Train 19, the westbound "Lake Shore Limited," was a workhorse that handled through sleepers from New York and Boston to Chicago, set out Pullmans at Cleveland and Toledo, carried a car from Toronto to Cleveland (picked up at Buffalo), worked a Chesapeake and Ohio Pullman from Toledo to Chicago, and carried a westbound transcontinental Pullman from New York to Chicago, as well as a full complement of coaches and a diner.
Passengers wishing to travel to San Francisco on the "California Zephyr" boarded a 10 roomette/6 double bedroom Pullman on NYC 19 at 6:15 p.m. in New York. They arrived at LaSalle St. Station at 11:59 a.m. the next morning. The car was switched to Union Station where it departed on the CB&Q at 3:30 p.m. After a trip via the CB&Q, D&RGW and WP, arrival in San Francisco was ay 4:50 p.m. the second day out from Chicago.
NYC 22, the eastbound "Lake Shore Limited," handled New York-bound transcontinental Pullmans from several routes. On certain days 22 left Chicago with 10 Pullmans, coaches, a sleeper lounge and a diner. Train 22 left Chicago at 6:15 p.m. with an 11:59 a.m. next day arrival in New York.
Eastbound passengers on the "San Francisco Overland" departed San Francisco at 9:00 a.m. Pullman accommodations were in a 10 roomette/5 double bedroom car which arrived two days later at 1:00 p.m. at Northwestern Station in Chicago after traveling via the SP and C&NW. This car was switched to LaSalle St. where it was added to NYC 22 for the trip east.
NYC 22 also carried the eastbound 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car from the "California Zephyr" which departed San Francisco at 9:00 a.m. and pulled into Union Station, Chicago at 1:30 p.m. two days later. This car was switched to LaSalle St. to continue east on NYC 22.
Last, NYC 22 handled Los Angeles-New York sleeper which originated on the "Los Angeles Limited." This 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car left LA at 12:01 p.m. with a 2:00 p.m. arrival at Northwestern Station two days later. The car was then switched to LaSalle St. and left on NYC 22.
Westbound, NYC train 65, the "Advance Commodore Vanderbilt," carried the 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car which was handed off at Chicago to the "Los Angeles Limited." 65 left New York at 3:30 p.m. reaching LaSalle St. at 7:30 a.m. The car was switched to Northwestern Station for a 12:01 p.m. departure with a two day later arrival in Los Angeles at 10:40 a.m.
NYC 59, the "Chicagoan" handled transcontinental sleepers from New York to a pair of routes departing Chicago. This train departed New York at 11:00 p.m. with a 3:00 p.m. arrival the next afternoon in Chicago.
The train carried the westbound New York San Francisco 10 roomette/5 double bedroom car which ran on the "San Francisco Overland" west out of Chicago. The "Overland" left C&NW Station at 8:00 p.m. with a two-day later arrival in San Francisco at 6:50 p.m.
The "Chicagoan" also carried the 4 compartment/4 double bedroom/2 drawing room car which operated west of Chicago via the RI/SP "Golden State" Route. At least this car did not have to be switched in Chicago as the "Golden State" ran out of LaSalle St. The westbound "Golden State" left at 10:15 p.m. with an arrival at 5:15 p.m. (as always two days later) in Los Angeles.
The eastbound "Golden State" departed Los Angeles at 12:30 p.m. and arrived in Chicago (two days out) at 11:30 a.m. The 10 roomette/6 double bedroom car left Chicago an hour later on NYC 6, the "Fifth avenue Special" which arrived in New York at 11:59 a.m. the next day.
Looks like the first Feast or Famine Day in 2008 here at the Tavern by the Tracks . . . so FEAST on this!
Now Arriving on Track Number One
Back in the Day
# Nine - The NYC Twentieth Century Limited
The 20th Century Limited was an express passenger train operated by the New York Central Railroad from 1902 to 1967, during which time it would become known as a "National Institution" and the "Most Famous Train in the World." In the year of its last run, The New York Times said that it "...was known to railroad buffs for 65 years as the world's greatest train." The train traveled between Grand Central Terminal in New York City and LaSalle Street Station in Chicago, Illinois along the railroad's famed "Water Level Route". The NYC inaugurated this train as direct competition to the Pennsylvania Railroad's Broadway Limited, both lines intended for upper class as well as business travelers between the two cities. Making few station stops along the way and as few breaks for water and coal as possible, trains on this route routinely could make the 960.7-mile journey in as little as 15 1/2 hours (but usually in 16 hours): about 60 mph.
Known for its style as well as for its speed, passengers walked to and from the train on a plush, crimson carpet which was rolled out in New York and Chicago and was specially designed for the 20th Century Limited; thus, the "red carpet treatment" was born. <from: wikipedia.com>
In 1938 the noted industrial designer, Henry Dreyfuss, was commissioned by the New York Central to design the streamlined train sets in Art Deco style, with the locomotive and passenger cars rendered in blues and grays (the colors of the New York Central). The streamlined sets were inaugurated on June 15, 1938. His design was extremely famous, and probably the most famous American passenger train of all time. All were destroyed and used as scrap metal. <from: wikipedia.com>
Missed any
#1 Pullman Company . . . . Page 102
#2 The Singing Brakeman . . . Page 103
#3 The Chiefs of the Santa Fe . . . Page 116
#4 The TurboTrain - Part I . . . Page 126
#5 The Turbo Train - Part II . . . Page 126
#6 The Train of Tomorrow . . . Page 133
#7 The Wabash Railroad . . . Page 140
#8 The Broadway Ltd of the PRR . . . Page 148
A bit o' news for our crew . . .
Winner of the DoNut Machine CONTEST is Mike (wanswheel) with Greasel Doughcomotive as the name for our DoNut MoSheen!
Many thanx to all who participated - you may pick up your miniature inflatable doll <by Boris> as our token of appreciation for your efforts! <grin> As for Mike, well you are welcome to ALL of those greased do-nut holes you can handle - anytime, all the time!
And yet ANOTHER mascot has arrived at the bar - this time from the warped mind of trolleyMAN Rob - a critter called Spike the Porcupine! <uh oh>
Drinks on Da Bossman! Boris - ring the ding . . .
A pint of Bathams XXX please RUTH.
ERIC Yes the photo is in the cab the Big-Boy at the Museum of Transport in Kirkwood.
I think there may be some UP slug units in use in Kansas City although I have yet to see one, but I did see one of the KCS locomotives painted in the old KCS passenger colours.
I find the locomotives on the local freight here are interesting as they are of the smaller classes some of which were from some of the Companies that UP took over like the Rio Grande I believe.
CHRIS So Rob nearly got it right, thanks for the link to the Buffalo story.
My friend back in England has recently been to Germany and he has sent me his photos, I will post some more tomorrow.
I believe Duchess 6233 is correct in that livery but very few can. I must explain a bit. The Duchess's or to give them their official name Princess Coronation, were introduced in 1938 streamlined. The first 5 6220-6224 were in Caledonian Blue with white stripes the next 5 in red with gold stripes.6229 changed numbers and name with 6220 Coronation to attend the New York World Fair and there is a lot of similarity with the GG1 livery I think.
A link to some magazine covers that show the Streamliners, although I think the red is too dark.
http://www.geocities.com/fredpipes/trains/coronation2.html
a link to 6229(6220) visit to New York.
http://www.geocities.com/fredpipes/trains/coronation3.html
The next 5 locos 6230 to 6234 were built without the streamline casing in LMS Maroon originally with a single chimney later a double chimney was fitted making a very handsome loco. A problem with drifting smoke led to the fitting of the smoke deflectors. The next batch 6235 to 6248 were streamlined, then the last of the original Duchesses 6249 to 6255 were not. After the war in 1946 the streamlining was removed. During the war they were painted black and for a short time afterwards in lined black. With the nationalization of British Railways in 1948 some Duchesses were painted in Caledonian Blue although it is said this paint scheme did not wear well, the locos were then all painted Brunswick Green. In the late 1950s some Duchesses were painted in maroon although the ones allocated to the Scottish shed at Polmadie, Glasgow stayed in Green and so did most of those allocated to Crewe.
There were two more Duchesses built in 1947 which was an Ivatt development of Stanier's original design
I will have a look at the Google map site thanks.
Great selection in the Random Rampage. Loved the GG1 in silver and the UP # 5037 certainly looks different. Even with CM3's clue I have no idea on the quiz. Thanks for sharing.
If I see anything out of the usual through here I will let you know.
Did not know you were a Who fan, great video of Mitch Mitchell.
CM3 Thanks for the kind words.
Many thanks for the history of the Union and the details on Chris's photos.
Enjoyed the Transcontinental sleeping car services that the NYC handed over in Chicago. I see the 20th Century Limited took about 3 hours shorter to get to Chicago then NYC 19.
Very good words of wisdom heard in the workshop.
TOM I think the Law of the Result applies to my computer, I think it just doesn't like me.
That sounds a really great DVD set you got for Christmas. Do you know how long that tunnel is mentioned in the first DVD.
Yes I noticed how close the US Southern and the UK Southern color is on their locomotives. The LNER done a poster which was a parody of the Southern one for the Flying Scotsman train, in sort of art deco style, with the driver of an LNER pacific so high up in the engine cab he is speaking to the youngster on the platform through a loudhailer.
Train Watching can be catching; during the bad weather here the bride took the bus to work and took great delight in telling me she had seen a locomotive in SP livery.
Many thanks for the Back in the Day # 9 on the NYC 20th Century Limited which ties in very well with CM3's post. A 60 MPH average over nearly 1,000 miles with steam power really is a great achievement
Good day Tom and all at Our place. Jan has picked up the tab, but let me contribute to the fund.
Chris: You asked about the AM103 shovel nose diesel electric shown in the following picture.
A description follows: Note: This is a translation from the Spanish, but you should have no trouble understanding it.
With attention it was observed in Chile the successes achieved by the railroads German in the posteiores years world-wide the economic crisis, mainly in the creation of new fast services between the cities of greater importance. These services, taken care of by automotive of electrical diesel traction, managed to arrive at a high degree of efficiency after a period of test that covered the route Berlin - Hamburg as of 1930 what it even gave the name them of "Automotive Train Hamburg type". Finally in 1938 technicians could occur by settled the previous studies as much as financiers and he was ordered to the German industry represented in Chile by the Ferrostaal company the manufacture of 6 diesel trains automotive - electrical of two cars, on watch express, modified type Hamburg, each one for 124 passengers of first class. Two motors MAN of 600HP, each one had to print to the convoy a terminal velocity of 130 Km/h. The electrical part of traction came from company AEG. Finally, in 1946, the pens of the steam "Rosalino Pilo" loaded those red-silverplate wagons that soon had to be the pride of Chilean rails but Chile not yet left the fuel shortage, so that only with the beginning of the itinerary of summer 1947/48 beginning could be given the normal service fast Santiago - Port Montt and Santiago - Conception with three frequencies semalanes in winter and six in summer. Few years the technology lasted the life utility of the Arrow of the South Already had advanced, his reduced capacity of passengers resulted in a little economic operation and, apparent lack of spare parts, did necessary to resort more of once, to the inventive talent of the mantención personnel. From 1954 part of the services taken care of by the automotive ones of the Hamburg type they began to be taken care of by new trains dragged by locomotives disel of type 7.000 (16.000), while red-silverplated, the prides of the Chilean rail, were relegated to secondary services as some frequencies between Santiago and Talca. until the branch to Cartagena had the honor to see in and a other opportunity one of those trains that had caused sense of expectancy between the travelling public. More than one vesz repaired one of the automotive ones completely classified by the administration of the Railroads of the State like type AM-100, to give it again to the service. But everything was in vain, in 1960 decreed the aim of which proudly they had been called "Arrow of the South". Reason: lack of vital spare parts for his mantencion, and stop operational cost. In 1988, in a visit to the Arsenal San Eugene, were enormous drawers with a legend in German who nobody understood. After cleaning the drawers of a heavy accumulated earth layer during decades of storage, they appeared complete spare parts, motors, conditioned air commandos, equipment and more and more parts and pieces pertaining to already the exiled Arrows in South the Too much Afternoon. Dietrich Angerstein.
The AM103 was designed following principals developed in Germany by Man in 1930 which created the world's first streamlined train set. It ran between Berlin and Hamburg and was dubbed "the Hamburger Express".As you can see from the write-up, the AM103 wasn't a big success.
Pete: I'm still researching the trackless locomotives ie: Pennsy 446.. I saw one up close when I was very young, I think in Union City or Newark, N.J.
Tom: I came across the following, that might be of interest to you and others. Go to this site: http://alfredbarten.com/oldmaude0.html. It is the history of the first NYC T class engine in 1900. Very interesting, even for Pennsy fans.
For all: I came across this site for back issues of magazines. I can't believe the prices being asked. I'm sure many issues of "Trains" you and others already have. I've included samples of some of the issues and their prices.
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Trains - The Magazine of Railroading: September, 1963USA, Kalmbach. 1963, First Edition. Stapled, 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall. Magazine, Features: Railroad News Photos; Steam News Photos; The Southern Pacific's 'Daylights', 4-8-4s; Have you looked at the Guide Recently? - a veteran train rider finds all is not lost; CN's island railroad on Prince Edward Island (PEI); Photo Section; The Baldwins of Hokkaido - 1 - Far from home, but built in USA - great article with photos; and more. Average wear. Sound copy. Good.CAD 99.95 = appr. US$ 99.3503 Offered by: Rare Non Fiction - Book number: 821a2359See more books from our catalog: Americana
Trains - The Magazine of Railroading: February 1963USA, Kalmbach. 1963, First Edition. Stapled, 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall. Magazine, Features: The BIG story - how to fill empty cars - unless rates are revised, the industry may expire - long article; Winter over White Pass; America's Success Railroad; Railroad News Photos; Steam News Photos; Trains Go to Alaska - 1 - Super photos, text and map; Stuart Saunders and his money making machine - 4 years at the throttle of Norfold & Western (N&W) - long article with photos; and more. Unmarked with average wear. A sound copy. Good.CAD 99.95 = appr. US$ 99.3503 Offered by: Rare Non Fiction - Book number: 821a2355Railroad Magazine, February 1974 - Vol. 95, No. 4USA, Popular Publications. 1974. Stapled, 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall. Magazine, 64 pages. Features: Chihuahua & Pacific Roster; Anniversary of California Zephyr; Interesting Railfans No. 134 - William c. Kessel; Passenger Train Survey; San Francisco's Railroad; and more. Two small date stamps upon front cover. Average wear. Sound copy. Good.CAD 48.95 = appr. US$ 48.6563 Offered by: Rare Non Fiction - Book number: 768a9769See more books from our catalog: Magazine Back IssuesSee more books from our catalog: AmericanaTrains - The Magazine of Railroading: March 1977USA, Kalmbach. 1977, First Edition. Stapled, 4to - over 9¾" - 12" tall. Features: John W. Barriger III, 1899-1976; Derailment and accident photos; Steam's last chance - Pennsylvania Railroad gambles - and loses - on the steam-powered T1-class for passenger power after World War II; "Fireboy, know something? We don't fit through that bridge"; How to build a DL109 - great photos; Rio Grande's Monarch Branch Revisited - an exercise in the use of the 26-C automatic brake valve, F-3 retainers, and COBRA brake shoes; Colur centerfold of the Katy Pacific 401 (Lima 1920) in 1945; The Iris G, et al - much of Canadian Pacific's history has been written upon the water, perhaps most poignantly by this tug, its train-on-a-barge, and their ancestors; and more. Moderate wear. Unmarked. Quality copy. Good.CAD 49.95 = appr. US$ 49.6503 Offered by: Rare Non Fiction - Book number: 821a2321
Based on the above prices, we all have a fortune in back issue train magazines. I have some dating back to the 60's. This is a Canadian outfit. Maybe some of our Canadian friends know something about this site?
I'm feeling better and as a result, have been able to spend more time at the computer, as it's too cold to work in the shop, Maybe I'll try tomorrow to hit the shop.
My son started hauling dirt today and was able to move 3 loads (60 yards) until his ram pump quit. He replaced it and then his front tire blew out. A wasted day, but he will try again tomorrow. It has not been easy for him.
Eric: As I was browsing back through the posts, I came across a picture of you in the cab of a class Ra locomotive (09-30-2007). It shows a steering wheel. I don't understand the use of a steering wheel in a vehicle that is guided by steel rails. Can you explain?
Good evening Leon , I think a spiked coffee would be wonderfull to end the ole day with No Boris I don't want spike to put his tail in my coffee There are days that i wonder how and why , Doug and Nick spent sooo much time teaching Boris english
Tom-Yes I think I did rememnber that the first outdoor game in Edmonton was a CBC carried game only. Hopefully going forward that if they keep the outdoor game as a new years day tradition that they keep it available on both side of the boarder. Maybe next year could be a real, NHL old time rivalry game Toronto and Montreal , I can't think of two better natural enemies. that or the could have Ottawa play someone on the frozen surface of eh Rideau canal
I prefer to think of my mind as a little bent not twisted or warped thank-you. still nice to see "spike" in the ah flesh.
A great New York central piece sir I would ahve loved to have ridden that train back in the day
I'm not sure I like the participation prize either , and you think have a warped mind , that's just wrong Tom
Shane CM3- Wow , great info on the NYC dovetailed nicly with the good Sounds like your writting is as readable as mine ,<uh oh>I let Heather do the Christmas Card writing ,better that way , no one needs a translation key that way Thnaks for teh info on the Union railway as well ,certainly one of those interesting let little know lines ( to those outside of the area )
Eric- Actually 1326 is operational , it was however last rebuilt in 1956-57 by our museum staff adn then run regularlt throughout teh 70's and 80's. The car as built was a convertable in that the right side could be removed and it was used as a summer open car, the openning side was permanently sealed on it and it's sisters in 1915 after the banning of the open style cars.The car now needs a full underframe resto and it's electricals need reworking , therefore we only use it in servcie on really speacial occations. The last official run with the general public on board was in 2005 at the 50th aniversary. The car is all wood underframe included which makes it that much more difficult to work on. it will get a rebuild , and it certainly is one of the most important exhibits at the museum as it is car #1 in our collection
Pete-Those are a couple of intersting sites for the Brit steam thank-you. I really don't think the new years party would have been thant shocking for a man from the old country
Thanks for the outrage over the "tagging" of the Gloster cars It's a known fact that teh young offenders act here in Ontario would just slap their hands should they even be caught which is unfortunatly highly unlikely I'm not even sure if they would make Mom and Dad pay for a paint jobIt's annoying to think that we may have to hire round the clock security people to patrol the sight,something we certainly don't want to have to budget for, as that will put a real damper on the restoration and operational budgets.
Ron-Holy cow, I must be sitting on a fortune of magazines, those prices are nuts, most of my hard covered railroad books didn't cost that much to buy.I've not ever heard of that outfit , but from my experiance , anytime one mentions '"antique" as a descriptor for anything, it tends to drive the prices up to the atmospheric levels they have listed. Heck we sell old copies of rail magazines at the museum for a donation.
The read on the AM 103 was quite interesting as well
Chris-Ah so I came that close. It came to me yesterday when I was leafing throughmy copy of Greg Mac donnels Heartland. there was a shot of two Escanaba and Lake Erie Baldwins and the bodies were a dead ringer for your critter other than the EMD style rebuild cab that was on it.I was fairly certain after looking at the picture for a while that it was Either an FM or a Baldwin by the wierd tri-mount truck . Still good workout for the grey matter thank-you Loved today's pictures though I have to say a sneeze wasn't the first thing that came to mind when I look at the photo of the U-boatI'm glad that you like W4 but all I can say is that the other museum can't have it,I love running that car, the only drawback is that it still has cast iron wheels and since we use it infrequently you should see the sparks the wheels through when you first power her up.
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!Leon, the time is right for an early breakfast! The usual, coffee and a Cheese Danish. No, make it two! A large OJ, spiked!
Congratulations Mike!!! You won the DoNut Machine Contest! The Greasel Doughcomotive!! I have to try one of those doughnuts. Tom – You are right about the poor condition of the platform in St. Louis. It was very similar last May to what can be seen in that photo from 1993. Nice book covers and I do have the first book, Amtrak! Hmm, RDC, how did that cover end up here? Hmm. Good choice!X2000 in that building in Chicago? It needed some maintenance work done (most likely some new brake pads). You are right, at least for the moment, the number of Swedes is decreasing. But.... Thanks for the 20th Century Limited info! Perfect complement to CM3’s NYC’s sleeper service info!Very nice picture of New Haven’s EP-5 running towards New York City! CM3 – I am doing fine, thank you! 15° F seems way too cold for me. $3.25 for gas? Wow, you can still get it for $2.89 here. Nice photos from Prince! Interesting observation car! It looks much better than the regular Amtrak cars!Thanks for part 2 of the Transcontinental sleeper service! Quite a few connections coast-to-coast with New York Central at the east end. Ron – A 22” monitor? That is a nice size! I have a 19” and that feels kind of small sometimes. Hope your son has been able to drive his truck again, or is it still raining? Nice photos! Including the thermos... sorry, the fireless locomotive on top! It looks kind of German including the name, Käthe, on the front. I like the last photo the most!Hope your back will get better soon!
Interesting to read about the German AM103 in Chile. Kind of surprised that it was a diesel-electric train. Most German diesels are diesel-hydraulic. I am not the guy in the picture of the cab of Class Ra locomotive. It’s a good friend of mine who sent some photos to me last fall and he is the engineer in that photo. The “steering wheel” is the controller (throttle). It has 27 notches. Lars – Cold weather in Florida? It will probably get a little bit warmer later in the spring. Maybe. I heard they are sending an icebreaker to the Keys! At least we are back in the 70’s here now. Good to hear from you! Fergie – Cold in your part of the world too! Interesting video you linked to! It seems like they were very, very close. Or does it look worse than it was? Very nice photo from MESS! It certainly would be nice to hear the sound of 3100. Bad news about the flatbed loaded with Keith’s! Or did it finally show up?Rob – 12+10 operational cars! I would say that is pretty good. More than I expected. One day I’ll make it to Toronto again and then the museum is a must. Thanks for the info on 1326! Wood frame? I can understand that it will take some rework to get it back in perfect condition.
Outside Trondheim, Norway.
Pete – I am feeling better again. thank you! When we visited St. Louis with the X2000 there was a number of private cars sitting on those four tracks that still excisted at Union Station. Benny Anderson 61? Just a kid. Big Boy! That is what it looked like to me. I kind of recognized some controls from the Big Boy in Pomona, CA. Chris – Thanks for the info on the “Mystery Buffalo”! The reason the ICE train was pulled by the two F69’s was that the electric equipment in them came from Siemens, who brought the ICE to the US. But the Siemens people didn’t like when visitors thought the F69 was part of the ICE train. The F69’s front is kind of streamlined, especially if you compare with the F40. The F69’s were painted in the same colors as the ICE. The only thing I found out about CRIP’s #621 was the it had its original ALCO engines replaced with two EM
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Friday - Jan 4th:
CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 9:16 AM: Gotta tell ya that having you back in your "slot" really, really HELPS ‘round here. As our numbers of "regulars" has fallen off, the amount of TIME needed to keep this place "up on the Page" has increased for Moi. Not good. For example, we had about a 7 hour stretch on Friday during daylite where NO ONE came in . . . . Anyway, since we don't know when or if the Larsman will be able to resume his "regular" pattern - yours in the AM means a lot!
Petrol is at $2.98 (rounded) . . . expect them to continue "up" as the world prices go bezerk.
Gotta laff at the "smoke" test comment!
Most enjoyable piece on the NYC transcontinental sleeper service . . . keep ‘em coming. I know it's work - but it's the kinda stuff this place is geared up for!
Fast forward to 40 years from now, there's NO WAY that the reminiscing about TODAYs railroading will even come close to what we discuss regarding OUR memories of "back in the day." <bitter> <sweet>
Much appreciation for the fine Post, dialogue, quarters ‘n round! <noticed you didn't order a ‘splash' this time!>
Pete (Pwolfe) at 5:45 PM: Two fine links to peruse . . . noted that the "text" is copyrighted, leaving me to conjecture that the images may not be. Hmmmmm, would like to use ‘em for my magazine "series." I'll communicate with Mr. Pipes . . .
That write-up regarding the "longest <RR> tunnel in north America" is from other sources - not me. I doubted it just as soon as I read it . . . anyway, that particular tunnel beneath Mt. MacDonald is 9.1 miles long (14,723 metres) and is Canada's longest. For, in the States we have the Henderson Tunnel through the Ute Mountains (Colorado) at 9.8 miles (15,800 metres)
Two things I've never gotten "into" - fishing ‘n waiting for trains to pass by. Just not my "thing." Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching the trains passing - just am not "into" waiting ‘n waiting ‘n waiting . . . . <grin> Fishing Boring . . . if I need one I'll head for the market!
Not pleased with your "prize" for participating, eh <geesh> Just like Rob <see below> can't please ‘em all . . .
Thanx for the great conversation ‘n visit!
Ron (DD1) at 6:59 PM: Quite a bit of material from our part-time Resident Southern Gentleman down in Mississippi!
FINALLY got the "skinny" on the AM-103 - and it took an inquiry from Chris to spring it loose - "Lawd" knows how many times others h
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Cindy my sweet, it can only be Saturday when the radiance around here is oh so brilliant! ‘tis the Larsman with a hankerin' for some strong Joe with a jolt if you please!
Boris, WHAT is THAT THING you are hugging <ouch> <ouch> <yikes> It's a PORCUPINE! <Good Grief Charlie Brown!> Dontchaknow NOT to hug those things Poor thing's eyes are about to "pop" at that . . . . <grin>
So now we've got "another mouth to feed" ‘round here. WHO in the world do we get to THANK for that, do you suppose??? Yeah, right - the trolleyBRAT, that's WHO! <grin> Just what this place needed . . . prickly little fella <gitchee gitchee> <ouch> <ouch> <damn!> We're still not quite "accepting" of those hulks women called H&H, now this . . <groan>
Ok Boris - feed the gang wudja please Awk the parrot gets the seeds, Frostbite the penguin the bucket of cubes, Tex the armadillo the saucer of brine, Artie the owl the field mouse <outback PLEASE!>, Juneau the Siberian husky the chew bone - and now - Spike the Porcupine gets the tree bark <didjaknow babies are called "Porcupettes"??> Anyway, <phew> feed ‘em ‘n that LARGE jar of PPF is YOURS! <triple phew>
Good to see youse since my last (Jan 3rd) goes to:
Shane (3rd) - Fergie (3rd x 2) - Rob (3rd x 2) - Pete (3rd) - Eric (4th) - Chris (4th) - Shane (4th) - Pete (4th) - Ron (4th) - Rob (5th) ‘n Eric (5th). <phew> Sorry ‘bout the missing "narrative," but these dayz, "we takes what we gets," huh
Of course, I MUST make mention of the ongoing contributions from Da Bossman to keep this joint rockin' along. From the DAILY morning summaries to the ‘special' submissions, it just goes on ‘n on. REALLY like those "features," especially the 20th Century Ltd. A terrific compliment to the "stuff" we've been treated to from Shane!
By the way, one FINE looking painting of the New Haven in the snow. Man, makes me want to return to the wintAH . . . <wellllllllllll, maybe NOT really!> Sure is a well-done piece of art work ‘n brings back some fine thoughts of days long gone . . .
So, the MoSheen has a name - good choice from the "committee." Some mighty fine entries along the way - NOT as many as I wudda thunk, but for those who participated, not bad. Hey! I LIKE my inflatable "by Boris!" <uh oh>
Should make mention that Phil has asked to convey his "greetings" to the gang at "Our" Place. NO, he isn't gonna join us - but does "peek in" from time to time. He's just not on-line that often <so he says!> but when it comes to mind, he remembers the fun we have ‘round here ‘n likes to check things out. Said we have a few guys who should be "bottled" for their energy ‘n innovativeness <did I spell that right?!?> Anyway, regards to all from Plattsburgh Phil!
I KNOW this is our Encore day along with photos - but I'm a bit behind the curve. So, let me see if I can get back later on. Ok??
And by the way, you ARE warped Rob, not only WARPED, but DISTORTED! <uh oh>
Best to all . . . and GO JINTS!
Until the next time!
Lars
Cindy my sweet, set up again on Da Larsman! Boris, ring it!! <gong - baaaaaawong!> <uh oh>
Here's something to enjoy - a subject we've been having fun with over on Da Bossman's "other site."
WHICH BY THE WAY, any of YOUSE can participate it. C'mon - what's the PROBLEM???? HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED to attract customAHs IF we all don't TRY???? (Shane 'n Rob are pretty much the only guys who regularly swing by. It only takes ONE pix - I mean HOW HARD IS THAT?????) <bratsafratz - a woId from Da Bossman's lingo!>
Northern Pacific Rotary 10 steam snowplow (GNU Free Documentation/wikipedia.com)
A rotary snowplow from the Oregon Short Line on display at the Mid Continent Railway Museum in North Freedom, WI. (Photo: Sean Lamb - wikipedia.com/ShareAlike)
See y'all soon . . . GO JINTS!
Good afternoon Captain Tom and gentlemen!!
Hello Cindy, I haven't seen you for a long time. I think you should work all Saturday evenings. It's kind of early, but I'll have that juicy Filet Mignon and mushrooms! Steak fries and a cold Keith's, please!
Just a brief stop to get something in my stomach and see how things are going here at "Our" Place.
Tom – I guess the downward spiral of the Amtrak facility in St. Louis can be blamed on certain politicians in Washington D.C. Lars – Honestly, do you really want to return to the winter? It is okay to check the snow from a safe distance (>1,000 miles), but being in the middle of it? Nice photos of the rotary snowplows! I guess both NP’s #10 and O.S.L.’s rotary plows had to be pushed by a few locomotives. Just like this one.
UP’s 900081, now on display at St. Louis Museum of Transportation.
I'll be back with some more photos.
Eric
A cup of your ‘famous' coffee please CINDY.
RON Glad you are feeling better and I hope your son has better luck with his vehicle real soon.
Many thanks for the history on the AM 103. Mention of ‘The Flying Hamburger' reminded me that in the 1930 the LNER railway of Britain was thinking of going with diesel for its express trains and they studied the Flying Hamburger, the chief engineer of the LNER said "I will design a steam locomotive that will be better". The locomotives he designed were the famous A4s, with a streamlined front similar to the Am103.
The prices wanted for those magazines are amazing.
I will be very interested on any information you can find on that interesting Pennsy 446.
Many thanks for the very interesting link to the NYC ‘Old Maude' and her sisters. It is great #6000 was saved. The change over from electrics to the steam locomotives at Harman New York was very well described, what a sight it must have been. Thanks for sharing.
ROB Glad you like the links to the Streamlined ‘Coronation'.
Unfortunately there is vandalism on preserved sites in the UK, it breaks my heart to read of the good work by volunteers ruined by people who, in my opinion, are a complete waste of space and the world would be a better place without them. I may be thick but I cannot understand how, when they are caught,why at the very least they are not made to pay for the damage done. It is a real shame that money put aside for restoration projects may have to be diverted to security.
ERIC Many thanks for that good looking tram in Norway and the UP rotary snowplow..
It is great that there are quite a few Big Boys saved, I have seen three of them so far. Although it would cost a great deal of money it would be wonderful to see one in steam hauling specials, I guess the only chance is if Hollywood wanted one for a film.
LARS Great to see you in the bar and can you thank PHIL for his greetings and pass on my regards.
At least SPIKE will be cheap to feed, only hope he does not find his way into the Penthouse Suite, those spikes could be very painful.
I agree the NH painting is great I have always loved the railways in the snow; it must be a memory from my early days. It was great to go to the Kirkwood museum with Tom and see the snow on the ground..
Many thanks for the photos of the Rotary Steam Snowplows, they certainly are impressive machines.
TOM Glad you liked the links, I am always worried about copyrights so if any doubt I put the link in.
Perhaps you can help me when they mention the Western Hemisphere, I guess it starts at the Greenwich Meriden in England but where does it ends, I guess Australia, but our Western would be their Eastern. OOH my brain hurts.
I did have a cheap fishing rod as a kid and used to go a little with a friend, but the only time I enjoyed fishing was on the canal where I could watch trains.
Still think it is best to steer clear of BORIS's inflatables.
I have some photos and notes from Alan taken in Germany in October 2007 on the narrow and standard
Hello again all present!
Cindy, I'm back. No, just a cup of coffee, please. Keep the change!
Pete – The chance we ever will see a Big Boy in steam again is pretty slim I guess. But we can always hope for the best! I have aso seen three of the saved ones. Very nice photos from Alan and Germany! Thank you, Alan! I especially like the photos of Class 44, 3 cyl. 2-10-0 and the “Kriegslok” Class 52, 2 cyl. 2-10-0. Class 52 is basically a lighter version oc Class 44.Lars – Best regards to Phil! I forgot to include that in my previous post. Since Chris mentioned the ICE train the other day I thought I should show some ICE1 photos.
Union Station, Washington D.C. 1993.
Altoona, Germany 1990.
The cab. ICE1 1990.
Traction motor.
Power car disc brakes.
Passenger car disc brakes.
ICE mug 1993.
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