QUOTE: Originally posted by ragemanchoo "I have found a site that has a picture of SF 59L" Is that what NKP #190 was originally? One of the two brought up from Mexico is still in Albany...at least, I think it is? I might be #190. The other engine was slated to get the 'warbonnet' paint scheme, and #190 clearly hasn't received that. I'm anxious to see what it looks like when its finished -- I grew up in Albany and remember the PA (two? I dont remember) up on blocks in the trainyard, near a side street. Thanks, Ryan Thompson Corvallis, Oregon
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mr. Frank Along the lines of what some of you have written above (excellent points by the way), there seems to be a clear consensus that: 1) the Alco PA's pulled a little better than equivalent h.p. EMD's; but 2) the EMD's greater reliability and lower maintenance costs more than offset whatever pulling advantage the Alco's had (at least when comparing those roads which had the choice of putting EMD's or Alco's on certain passenger runs. Here's a real good question (at least in my humble opinion) - given that roads like Santa Fe, SP and Rio Grande all found that the Alco PA's had such a clear performance advantage, why didn't these roads get FA's for freight, and instead rely solely on EMD's F-units? I could be mistaken, but I don't believe any of these three roads had FA's on their rosters. This is especially puzzling on SP, which had multiple, repeat orders for PA's, and yet did not order any FA's (yet, SP purchased close to 800 F-units!!). Does anyone have any idea as to the seemingly inconsistent purchases for freight vs. passenger power in terms of Alco v. EMD?
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QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes New News. [:D] Work is now progressing again. Check out the latest photo. http://www.nkp190.com/sidepanels.jpg
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mr. Frank [Here's a real good question (at least in my humble opinion) - given that roads like Santa Fe, SP and Rio Grande all found that the Alco PA's had such a clear performance advantage, why didn't these roads get FA's for freight, and instead rely solely on EMD's F-units? I could be mistaken, but I don't believe any of these three roads had FA's on their rosters. This is especially puzzling on SP, which had multiple, repeat orders for PA's, and yet did not order any FA's (yet, SP purchased close to 800 F-units!!). Does anyone have any idea as to the seemingly inconsistent purchases for freight vs. passenger power in terms of Alco v. EMD?
QUOTE: Originally posted by SDR_North Dear Passenger Fan, I found CPR Documentation from 1965 and 1966 that shows most CPR Alco GE and MLW GE 244 and 251 Road Power was Geared for 75 MPH from the Factory. H-Lines and Train Masters were GE-Equipped and were Geared for 75 MPH. This 75 MPH applied to Freight and Passenger versions and was considered fast enough for Secondary Passenger Trains on the bulk of CPR's Track. There are very few places where a Secondary Psgr. Train would reach 75 MPH, as they generally stopped everywhere. A great portion of CPR's Track is in very rough terrain where 50 MPH is unheard of, so a 75 MPH GE Equipped Alco/MLW or CLC would do fine, and have the Higher T.E. for Grade Work.. "Dayliner" Budd Cars are another creature, and they could go much faster on Slow Track than Locomotive-Hauled Trains. An exception to the 75 MPH Rule were CP 8400-04 Alco-GE RS2 Geared for 65 MPH. These Units had Plain ( Not Roller ) Bearings when new, and some had S/G for Psgr. Service when Built. CP 8400-04 did NOT have MU!! and had to Double Head on heavy Trains. Note NO MU in following Photo from the Internet. The Fins on top of the Fan fold down when Fan not turning. http://www.niagararails.com/cgi-bin/rosters1.cgi?/rosters/cp/8400/8404cp.jpg The CP 567 B-B Road GMDs had either 65 MPH Freight OR 89 MPH Passenger Gearing. CP ordered GP9s 8483-8490, 8501-21 with 89 MPH Psgr Gearing and swapped these Trucks with those under CP Fs 4041, 4058-63, 4066-75 and Bs 4434-4445 and then Renumbered the now-89 MPH Units into the 1400/1900 Series. CPR Classed these 89 MPH Fs as DPA/DPB for Diesel Passenger A/B. Other GMD Fs were Regeared and Renumbered from 4000/4400 to 1400/1900 in the 1950s, then some Renumbered back in 1960s. CP GP9s 8511-12 had S/G and were 89 MPH for a time. Even with their 75 MPH cability, NONE of the CP Alco/MLW Cabs received the DPA/B Class, as they were esentially Freight Units. Several FREIGHT Units from all Classes were fitted with Through Steam Lines so they could be added to Locomotive Consists behind Passenger Power on Passenger Trains. The CP C-Lines were Westinghouse-Equipped and were good for 70 MPH. I have J Pegd some of this Data, and you could e-mail me for it if you wish. As far as CN is concerned, yes they DID equip some of their 244 Cabs for High Speed Passenger Work, the following Site has a Download from 1964 showing Data for the CN Diesel Fleet. Very valuable for the nit-picking armchair railfan. Get It! http://www.cnlines.com/cycl/loco/dbook.html Here is a selection of photos of CPR First Gen. Units I took years ago, some of these Units were Built as Passenger Units, and had their S/Gs removed in the Sixties. A Freight MLW-GE FA1 with Green Flags for Following Section. http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db22b3127cce91262515b63b00000016108KauXDZk4g A Freight MLW-GE RS3 http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db22b3127cce91262513b63d00000016108KauXDZk4g A Freight FA1 with a Passenger FPA2 on far end http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db22b3127cce91262511b63f00000016108KauXDZk4g A S/G-Equipped RS10. Tank on stand to right is for Steam Locomotive Bunker Oil. http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db22b3127cce9126251fb63100000016108KauXDZk4g An A-A set of once-Psgr. C-Lines http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db22b3127cce9126251c370200000016108KauXDZk4g A once-Psgr C-Line with Green Flags http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db22b3127cce9126251db63300000016108KauXDZk4g A Freight RS18 and a Passenger H-16-44 on a Plow. http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db22b3127cce9126251a370400000016108KauXDZk4g Once 89 MPH Geep with still-Active S/G This is a 'Torpedo Geep' with Air Reservoirs on top of Long Hood. http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db22b3127cce91263968377800000016108KauXDZk4g An A-B-B-B-A http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db22b3127cce91263952374200000016108KauXDZk4g Train Master on Freight http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db22b3127cce91263953b67300000016108KauXDZk4g A once-Psgr Baldwin good for 60 MPH http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db22b3127cce91266c1677b400000016108KauXDZk4g
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes It has been a little over 3 months since our last PA update. I expect to hear some news sometime in the near future. They work at their own pace so we just have to be patient with them. I know some of you are as anxious as I am. [:D]
QUOTE: Originally posted by erikthered I have seen photos of what look like PA's on the Napa Valley Wine Train and also on the Grand Canyon Railroad. I wonder if they have the same sort of maintenance problems everyone keeps talking about?
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