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[siberianmo]

G"day!

A final tribute to the man who created the Pullman Company

Amtrak George M. Pullman sleeping car (Photo credit: Gary Morris)


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Just thought I would add something about parlor cars on this thread.
NEW YORK
NEW HAVEN
&
HARTFORD
By Al
NEW YORK
NEW HAVEN
&
HARTFORD

The New York New Haven & Hartford owned the largest number of postwar streamlined Parlor cars built for any railroad. Not only did they own the greatest number but they also owned the greatest variety of lightweight streamlined parlor car types. The New Haven operated the only lightweight streamlined all parlor car trains in America the MERCHANTS LIMITED but alas coaches were added within thirty days of its entry into service as a streamlined train.
The fifty lightweight streamlined parlor cars delivered to the New Haven externally were all to the postwar so called American Flyer design from Pullman Standards Worcester, Mass. plant. This was originally the old Osgood Bradley plant. The postwar American Flyer design cars featured fluted stainless steel panels both above and below the windows of the car sides.
The New Haven promoted parlor car service more than any other railroad in the United States and at one time nearly every through train between Boston and New York carried one or more parlor cars. The New Haven remained one of the largest users of heavyweight Parlor cars in the late 1930's and throughout the 1940"s. And this was in addition to the fifty lightweight streamlined parlor cars delivered to the New Haven in the late 1940's. The lightweight streamlined parlor cars of the New Haven were numbered in the 200s, 300s and 400s. The 200 series parlor cars were named for COUNTIES, the 300 series parlor cars were named for on line CITIES and TOWNS, and the 400 series were named for on line RIVERS.

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 31 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood-Bradley) July - August 1948 Plan: 4503 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

200 MIDDLESEX COUNTY

201 SUFFOLF COUNTY

202 BRISTOL COUNTY

203 DUKES COUNTY

204 ESSEX COUNTY

205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 32 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4503D Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

206 PUTNAM COUNTY

207 NEW LONDON COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 28 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4503B Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY

209 KINGS COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 14 REVENUE PARLOR SEATS 11 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4501 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous name trains)

210 KENT COUNTY

211 WASHINGTON COUNTY

212 ULSTER COUNTY

213 TOLLAND COUNTY

214 FAIRFIELD COUNTY

215 QUEENS COUNTY

216 LITCHFIELD COUNTY

217 WINDHAM COUNTY

218 HAMPSHIRE COUNTY

219 BRONX COUNTY

36 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) August 1948 Plan: 4500 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

300 PITTSFIELD

301 BRIDGEPORT

302 MANSFIELD

303 BROCKTON

304 HARTFORD

305 ROWAYTON

306 CRANSTON

307 WORCESTER

308 STAMFORD

309 STONINGTON

310 TORRINGTON

311 PROVIDENCE

52 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CARS WITH 2-1 SEATING Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) August 1948 Plan: 4500 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous name trains)

312 ATTLEBORO

313 PAWTUCKET

314 GUILFORD

315 WESTERLY

316 MYSTIC

317 DANBURY

318 GROTON

319 HOLYOKE

320 MERIDEN

321 MILFORD

322 NEWPORT

323 TAUNTON

324 LYME

26 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 14 SEAT SMOKING LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4502 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

400 CONNECTICUT RIVER

401 THAMES RIVER

402 HOUSATONIC RIVER

403 BLACKSTONE RIVER

404 HUDSON RIVER

The New Haven trains assigned Parlor cars with Drawing Rooms and Day Roomettes THE YANKEE CLIPPER; MERCHANTS LIMITED between Boston & New York in both directions. They also operated in unnamed train # 58, THE AMBASSADOR and the BANKERS between Springfield and New York. The SENATOR and THE PATRIOT between Boston and Washington operated with Parlor cars that featured Drawing Rooms. The following trains operated with New Haven parlor cars.

6-9 THE MAYFLOWER between Boston and New York both directions

10 THE MURRAY HILL between New York & Boston

12 THE BAY STATE between New York & Boston

13 THE 42nd STREET between Boston and New York

15-20 THE PURITAN between New York and Boston both directions

28-29 THE GILT EDGE between New York and Boston both directions

33 THE SUNDOWN Boston & New York

Almost immediately after entering service Parlor cars 312 - 324 were a source of complaints, passengers did not like the two and one seating in these cars and voiced their opposition to the New Haven management. For once a railroads management listened and in early 1949 all thirteen cars 312 - 324 were reconfigured with 1-1 seating reducing capacity to 36 the same as Parlor cars 300 - 311.
In June 1949 the New Haven renamed 36-seat Parlor car 305 ROWAYTON to 305 WOONSOCKET.
The five 400 series 26 seat Parlor 14 seat Smoking Lounge cars named for RIVERS were renamed between January and April from RIVER series names to NEW prefix names in order to avoid conflict with NYC cars that shared the same Mott-Haven Coach yard in New York. The following lists the new name and the original name of these cars.

400 NEW BRITAIN originally 400 CONNECTICUT RIVER

401 NEW ROCHELLE originally 401 THAMES RIVER

402 NEW MILFORD originally 402 HOUSATONIC RIVER

403 NEW BEDFORD originally 403 BLACKSTONE RIVER

404 NEW HAVEN originally 404 HUDSON RIVER

In late 1952 the New Haven Passenger Department made the decision to rebuild several parlor cars with Baggage rooms and Drawing Rooms with additional revenue space by eliminating the Baggage Rooms in these cars. All work was performed at Pullman Standards old Osgood –Bradley plant in Worcester where the cars were cycled through. The cars after rebuilding retained their original numbers and names.

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 28 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Rebuilt February 1953 to new Plan: 4503D

206 PUTNAM COUNTY

207 NEW LONDON COUNTY

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 28 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt October 1953 to new Plan: 4503C

208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY

209 KINGS COUNTY

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 29 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt October 1953 to new Plan: 4503E

204 ESSEX COUNTY

205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY

Two of the 300 series 36 seat Parlor cars were remodeled to 72 revenue seat Coaches by the New Haven in April 1964 losing there names and being renumbered into the 7200 series at that time.

7200 originally 300 PITTSFIELD

7201 originally 308 STAMFORD

Eight additional 300 series Parlor cars were remodeled to 7200 series 72 revenue seat coaches in May 1964.

7202 originally 309 STONINGTON

7203 originally 310 TORRINGTON

7204 originally 311 PROVIDENCE

7205 originally 312 ATTLEBORO

7206 originally 315 WESTERLY

7207 originally 317 DANBURY

7208 originally 322 NEWPORT

7209 originally 323 TAUNTON

All remaining New Haven lightweight streamlined Parlor cars were transferred to PC ownership in the 1968 merger.
NEW YORK
NEW HAVEN
&
HARTFORD

The New York New Haven & Hartford owned the largest number of postwar streamlined Parlor cars built for any railroad. Not only did they own the greatest number but they also owned the greatest variety of lightweight streamlined parlor car types. The New Haven operated the only lightweight streamlined all parlor car trains in America the MERCHANTS LIMITED but alas coaches were added within thirty days of its entry into service as a streamlined train.
The fifty lightweight streamlined parlor cars delivered to the New Haven externally were all to the postwar so called American Flyer design from Pullman Standards Worcester, Mass. plant. This was originally the old Osgood Bradley plant. The postwar American Flyer design cars featured fluted stainless steel panels both above and below the windows of the car sides.
The New Haven promoted parlor car service more than any other railroad in the United States and at one time nearly every through train between Boston and New York carried one or more parlor cars. The New Haven remained one of the largest users of heavyweight Parlor cars in the late 1930's and throughout the 1940"s. And this was in addition to the fifty lightweight streamlined parlor cars delivered to the New Haven in the late 1940's. The lightweight streamlined parlor cars of the New Haven were numbered in the 200s, 300s and 400s. The 200 series parlor cars were named for COUNTIES, the 300 series parlor cars were named for on line CITIES and TOWNS, and the 400 series were named for on line RIVERS.

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 31 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood-Bradley) July - August 1948 Plan: 4503 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

200 MIDDLESEX COUNTY

201 SUFFOLF COUNTY

202 BRISTOL COUNTY

203 DUKES COUNTY

204 ESSEX COUNTY

205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 32 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4503D Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

206 PUTNAM COUNTY

207 NEW LONDON COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 28 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4503B Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY

209 KINGS COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 14 REVENUE PARLOR SEATS 11 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4501 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous name trains)

210 KENT COUNTY

211 WASHINGTON COUNTY

212 ULSTER COUNTY

213 TOLLAND COUNTY

214 FAIRFIELD COUNTY

215 QUEENS COUNTY

216 LITCHFIELD COUNTY

217 WINDHAM COUNTY

218 HAMPSHIRE COUNTY

219 BRONX COUNTY

36 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) August 1948 Plan: 4500 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

300 PITTSFIELD

301 BRIDGEPORT

302 MANSFIELD

303 BROCKTON

304 HARTFORD

305 ROWAYTON

306 CRANSTON

307 WORCESTER

308 STAMFORD

309 STONINGTON

310 TORRINGTON

311 PROVIDENCE

52 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CARS WITH 2-1 SEATING Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) August 1948 Plan: 4500 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous name trains)

312 ATTLEBORO

313 PAWTUCKET

314 GUILFORD

315 WESTERLY

316 MYSTIC

317 DANBURY

318 GROTON

319 HOLYOKE

320 MERIDEN

321 MILFORD

322 NEWPORT

323 TAUNTON

324 LYME

26 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 14 SEAT SMOKING LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4502 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

400 CONNECTICUT RIVER

401 THAMES RIVER

402 HOUSATONIC RIVER

403 BLACKSTONE RIVER

404 HUDSON RIVER

The New Haven trains assigned Parlor cars with Drawing Rooms and Day Roomettes THE YANKEE CLIPPER; MERCHANTS LIMITED between Boston & New York in both directions. They also operated in unnamed train # 58, THE AMBASSADOR and the BANKERS between Springfield and New York. The SENATOR and THE PATRIOT between Boston and Washington operated with Parlor cars that featured Drawing Rooms. The following trains operated with New Haven parlor cars.

6-9 THE MAYFLOWER between Boston and New York both directions

10 THE MURRAY HILL between New York & Boston

12 THE BAY STATE between New York & Boston

13 THE 42nd STREET between Boston and New York

15-20 THE PURITAN between New York and Boston both directions

28-29 THE GILT EDGE between New York and Boston both directions

33 THE SUNDOWN Boston & New York

Almost immediately after entering service Parlor cars 312 - 324 were a source of complaints, passengers did not like the two and one seating in these cars and voiced their opposition to the New Haven management. For once a railroads management listened and in early 1949 all thirteen cars 312 - 324 were reconfigured with 1-1 seating reducing capacity to 36 the same as Parlor cars 300 - 311.
In June 1949 the New Haven renamed 36-seat Parlor car 305 ROWAYTON to 305 WOONSOCKET.
The five 400 series 26 seat Parlor 14 seat Smoking Lounge cars named for RIVERS were renamed between January and April from RIVER series names to NEW prefix names in order to avoid conflict with NYC cars that shared the same Mott-Haven Coach yard in New York. The following lists the new name and the original name of these cars.

400 NEW BRITAIN originally 400 CONNECTICUT RIVER

401 NEW ROCHELLE originally 401 THAMES RIVER

402 NEW MILFORD originally 402 HOUSATONIC RIVER

403 NEW BEDFORD originally 403 BLACKSTONE RIVER

404 NEW HAVEN originally 404 HUDSON RIVER

In late 1952 the New Haven Passenger Department made the decision to rebuild several parlor cars with Baggage rooms and Drawing Rooms with additional revenue space by eliminating the Baggage Rooms in these cars. All work was performed at Pullman Standards old Osgood –Bradley plant in Worcester where the cars were cycled through. The cars after rebuilding retained their original numbers and names.

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 28 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Rebuilt February 1953 to new Plan: 4503D

206 PUTNAM COUNTY

207 NEW LONDON COUNTY

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 28 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt October 1953 to new Plan: 4503C

208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY

209 KINGS COUNTY

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 29 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt October 1953 to new Plan: 4503E

204 ESSEX COUNTY

205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY

Two of the 300 series 36 seat Parlor cars were remodeled to 72 revenue seat Coaches by the New Haven in April 1964 losing there names and being renumbered into the 7200 series at that time.

7200 originally 300 PITTSFIELD

7201 originally 308 STAMFORD

Eight additional 300 series Parlor cars were remodeled to 7200 series 72 revenue seat coaches in May 1964.

7202 originally 309 STONINGTON

7203 originally 310 TORRINGTON

7204 originally 311 PROVIDENCE

7205 originally 312 ATTLEBORO

7206 originally 315 WESTERLY

7207 originally 317 DANBURY

7208 originally 322 NEWPORT

7209 originally 323 TAUNTON

All remaining New Haven lightweight streamlined Parlor cars were transferred to PC ownership in the 1968 merger.


The New York New Haven & Hartford owned the largest number of postwar streamlined Parlor cars built for any railroad. Not only did they own the greatest number but they also owned the greatest variety of lightweight streamlined parlor car types. The New Haven operated the only lightweight streamlined all parlor car trains in America the MERCHANTS LIMITED but alas coaches were added within thirty days of its entry into service as a streamlined train.
The fifty lightweight streamlined parlor cars delivered to the New Haven externally were all to the postwar so called American Flyer design from Pullman Standards Worcester, Mass. plant. This was originally the old Osgood Bradley plant. The postwar American Flyer design cars featured fluted stainless steel panels both above and below the windows of the car sides.
The New Haven promoted parlor car service more than any other railroad in the United States and at one time nearly every through train between Boston and New York carried one or more parlor cars. The New Haven remained one of the largest users of heavyweight Parlor cars in the late 1930's and throughout the 1940"s. And this was in addition to the fifty lightweight streamlined parlor cars delivered to the New Haven in the late 1940's. The lightweight streamlined parlor cars of the New Haven were numbered in the 200s, 300s and 400s. The 200 series parlor cars were named for COUNTIES, the 300 series parlor cars were named for on line CITIES and TOWNS, and the 400 series were named for on line RIVERS.

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 31 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood-Bradley) July - August 1948 Plan: 4503 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

200 MIDDLESEX COUNTY

201 SUFFOLF COUNTY

202 BRISTOL COUNTY

203 DUKES COUNTY

204 ESSEX COUNTY

205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 32 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4503D Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

206 PUTNAM COUNTY

207 NEW LONDON COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 28 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4503B Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY

209 KINGS COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 14 REVENUE PARLOR SEATS 11 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4501 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous name trains)

210 KENT COUNTY

211 WASHINGTON COUNTY

212 ULSTER COUNTY

213 TOLLAND COUNTY

214 FAIRFIELD COUNTY

215 QUEENS COUNTY

216 LITCHFIELD COUNTY

217 WINDHAM COUNTY

218 HAMPSHIRE COUNTY

219 BRONX COUNTY

36 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) August 1948 Plan: 4500 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

300 PITTSFIELD

301 BRIDGEPORT

302 MANSFIELD

303 BROCKTON

304 HARTFORD

305 ROWAYTON

306 CRANSTON

307 WORCESTER

308 STAMFORD

309 STONINGTON

310 TORRINGTON

311 PROVIDENCE

52 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CARS WITH 2-1 SEATING Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) August 1948 Plan: 4500 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous name trains)

312 ATTLEBORO

313 PAWTUCKET

314 GUILFORD

315 WESTERLY

316 MYSTIC

317 DANBURY

318 GROTON

319 HOLYOKE

320 MERIDEN

321 MILFORD

322 NEWPORT

323 TAUNTON

324 LYME

26 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 14 SEAT SMOKING LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4502 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

400 CONNECTICUT RIVER

401 THAMES RIVER

402 HOUSATONIC RIVER

403 BLACKSTONE RIVER

404 HUDSON RIVER

The New Haven trains assigned Parlor cars with Drawing Rooms and Day Roomettes THE YANKEE CLIPPER; MERCHANTS LIMITED between Boston & New York in both directions. They also operated in unnamed train # 58, THE AMBASSADOR and the BANKERS between Springfield and New York. The SENATOR and THE PATRIOT between Boston and Washington operated with Parlor cars that featured Drawing Rooms. The following trains operated with New Haven parlor cars.

6-9 THE MAYFLOWER between Boston and New York both directions

10 THE MURRAY HILL between New York & Boston

12 THE BAY STATE between New York & Boston

13 THE 42nd STREET between Boston and New York

15-20 THE PURITAN between New York and Boston both directions

28-29 THE GILT EDGE between New York and Boston both directions

33 THE SUNDOWN Boston & New York

Almost immediately after entering service Parlor cars 312 - 324 were a source of complaints, passengers did not like the two and one seating in these cars and voiced their opposition to the New Haven management. For once a railroads management listened and in early 1949 all thirteen cars 312 - 324 were reconfigured with 1-1 seating reducing capacity to 36 the same as Parlor cars 300 - 311.
In June 1949 the New Haven renamed 36-seat Parlor car 305 ROWAYTON to 305 WOONSOCKET.
The five 400 series 26 seat Parlor 14 seat Smoking Lounge cars named for RIVERS were renamed between January and April from RIVER series names to NEW prefix names in order to avoid conflict with NYC cars that shared the same Mott-Haven Coach yard in New York. The following lists the new name and the original name of these cars.

400 NEW BRITAIN originally 400 CONNECTICUT RIVER

401 NEW ROCHELLE originally 401 THAMES RIVER

402 NEW MILFORD originally 402 HOUSATONIC RIVER

403 NEW BEDFORD originally 403 BLACKSTONE RIVER

404 NEW HAVEN originally 404 HUDSON RIVER

In late 1952 the New Haven Passenger Department made the decision to rebuild several parlor cars with Baggage rooms and Drawing Rooms with additional revenue space by eliminating the Baggage Rooms in these cars. All work was performed at Pullman Standards old Osgood –Bradley plant in Worcester where the cars were cycled through. The cars after rebuilding retained their original numbers and names.

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 28 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Rebuilt February 1953 to new Plan: 4503D

206 PUTNAM COUNTY

207 NEW LONDON COUNTY

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 28 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt October 1953 to new Plan: 4503C

208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY

209 KINGS COUNTY

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 29 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt October 1953 to new Plan: 4503E

204 ESSEX COUNTY

205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY

Two of the 300 series 36 seat Parlor cars were remodeled to 72 revenue seat Coaches by the New Haven in April 1964 losing there names and being renumbered into the 7200 series at that time.

7200 originally 300 PITTSFIELD

7201 originally 308 STAMFORD

Eight additional 300 series Parlor cars were remodeled to 7200 series 72 revenue seat coaches in May 1964.

7202 originally 309 STONINGTON

7203 originally 310 TORRINGTON

7204 originally 311 PROVIDENCE

7205 originally 312 ATTLEBORO

7206 originally 315 WESTERLY

7207 originally 317 DANBURY

7208 originally 322 NEWPORT

7209 originally 323 TAUNTON

All remaining New Haven lightweight streamlined Parlor cars were transferred to PC ownership in the 1968 merger.

[siberianmo]

G'day!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #80

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Seaboard Air Line Railway (SAL) in a 1916 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Shortest . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . Most Attractive Route to . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Florida . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Georgia . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Cuba . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . and the . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Carolina Resorts . . . . . . . . . .

Where to spend the winter is answered in our Resort, Hotel, Golf, and Sports Guides. For Excursion Rates

Write W. E. CONKLYN
. . . . . . General Eastern Passenger Airport
. . . . . . 1164 Broadway, New York

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Cars like this observation dome have long disappeared from U.S. railroading - too bad! VIA Rail of Canada still operates 'em . . .


Amtrak #9310 (former Wabash #1601)(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hiya Tom

Now you're talkin' my kinda stuff - DOMES!

WP #881 Silver Crescent (from: www.trainweb.org)



Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Speaking of obs domes . . .


DRGW #1145 Silver Sky (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

good Morning Tom . Did not miss the SAL and the theme seems to be observations.

SEABOARD
AIR
LINE Streamlined Observations
by Al

The SAL fleet of SILVER streamliners operated with fifteen stainless steel Observations as part of these trains, built and delivered to the railroad by the Budd Company of Philadelphia. Of the fifteen Observations three were built as blunt end cars with a diaphragm installed. Two were rebuilt from Swallow tailed to Blunt end Observations with diaphragms installed and five other swallow-tailed observations were fitted with an adapter for mid-train use and a diaphragm was installed.
The first lightweight streamlined Observation arrived from Budd in January 1939 and featured an interior with 48 revenue coach seats and a 17-seat lounge Observation. This Observation numbered 6400 was the last car in a seven car coach streamliner the new SILVER METEOR inaugurated February 2, 1939 between New York and Miami and New York and St. Petersburg on a six day cycle with one day off before starting the cycle over again.

48 REVENUE SEAT COACH 17 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow - Tailed) Budd Company January 1939 (Built for and assigned to first SILVER METEOR)

6400

Two additional Observations 6401 and 6402 arrived from Budd in December 1939 as part of seven car coach streamliners. Besides the two train sets there were three additional cars that provided the SILVER METEOR service to St. Petersburg on a weekly basis. Between New York and Wildwood, Florida the St. Petersburg cars operated in one of the Miami bound SILVER METEOR consists southbound and northbound. From that point the St. Petersburg cars operated as a separate section of the SILVER METEOR to and from St. Petersburg.
The three SILVER METEOR train sets permitted the SAL daily SILVER METEOR service between New York and Miami to meet the competition from ACL-FEC who introduced there own daily New York - Miami streamliners the CHAMPIONS on December 1, 1939.

48 REVENUE SEAT COACH 17 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-Tailed) Budd Company December 1940 (Built for second and third SILVER METEOR consists)

6401, 6402

An order for fifteen cars arrived from Budd in December 1940; part of this order was for three Blunt end Observations with 30 Revenue coach seats and a 20-seat lounge in the Observation end numbered 6500 - 6502. These fifteen cars plus the three previous cars from 1939 made up the new daily St. Petersburg sections of the SILVER METEOR. The expanded SILVER METEORS were now thirteen cars in length between New York and Wildwood. The first six cars with the Blunt end observation were the New York - St. Petersburg cars and the last seven cars were the New York - Miami cars.

30 REVENUE SEAT COACH 20 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Blunt) Budd Company December 1940 (Built for and assigned to new York - St. Petersburg section of SILVER METEORS)

6500 - 6502

In May 1943 the 6400 was rebuilt to a Blunt ended Observation with no change in seating. In this manner the 6400 could be operated as a St. Petersburg car or Miami car if necessary.
In July 1947 the Budd Company delivered six new swallow-tailed Observations to the SAL with 36 seat Tavern lounges a bar and 20-seat lounge in the observation numbered 6600-6605. These cars were assigned to New York - Miami service bringing up the markers of the SILVER METEOR and later assigned to the SILVER STAR a second daily New York - Miami streamliner.
Two of the prewar Coach Lounge Observations were then assigned to the other new postwar streamliner the SILVER COMET between New York and Birmingham daily.
Five of these observations 6600 - 6604 were fitted with an adapter on the swallow tailed end and a diaphragm was installed. They still retained the look of a swallow-tailed Observation but with the adapter and diaphragm they could be used mid-train if necessary.

36 SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE BAR 20 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-tailed) Budd Company July 1947 (Built for and assigned to SILVER METEOR and SILVER STAR)

6600 - 6605

The last three lightweight streamlined Observations acquired by the SAL were used cars purchased in November 1965 from the FEC. The FEC after a prolonged strike discontinued passenger trains finally got around to selling their cars and the majority of these cars were purchased by the SAL. Many of the former FEC cars had operated in the CHAMPIONS, FLORIDA SPECIAL, and other ACL trains. Through service to Miami for ACL trains was provided by the SAL since the strike.
Two of the former FEC Observations were 36 seat Tavern Lounge Bar 20 seat Lounge Observations nearly identical to the postwar Observations purchased by the SAL 6600 - 6605. Seaboard Air Line assigned the numbers 6606 and 6607 to the two ex FEC cars as follows.

6606 originally FEC LAKE WORTH

6607 originally FEC BAY BISCAYNE

The former FEC LAKE WORTH was originally assigned to the HENRY M. FLAGLER of 1939 later operated in the DIXIE FLAGLER.
The former FEC BAY BISCAYNE was assigned to the CHAMPIONS between New York and Miami.
The third Observation purchased by the SAL from the FEC was the SOUTH BAY originally constructed by ACF as a dining Lounge car for operation in the Southern ROYAL PALM. In November 1956 the car was rebuilt to a 36-seat tavern lounge bar 21-seat lounge Observation with a blunt end. Windows were installed across the blunt end one either side of the center door and one in the center of the door. The car retained the name SOUTH BAY after rebuilding. The SAL assigned number 6620 to the former SOUTH BAY and it became the only non-Budd built observation on the SAL.

6620 originally FEC SOUTH BAY

On July 1, 1967 the SAL and ACL were merged creating the Seaboard Coast Line on that date.


TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Continuing . . .


DRGW #1145 Silver Sky (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[artpeterson]

Thanks for posting the photos of the ex-Wabash and "CZ" service dome-obs cars - always great to see them!

[siberianmo]

Glad you appreciate them![tup]

Here's another!


WP #881 California Zephyr Silver Crescent (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hiya Tom!


Here's a dome from my post over at the bar . . . .



A dome car owned by the Santa Fe Railroad in the 1950s. (from: www.trainweb.com)


Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Okay - one more time . . .


DRGW #1145 Silver Sky California Zephyr (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)



Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!


Now THIS is something to dream about!


VIA Rail #8708 Kootenay Park (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! - ENCORE! - ENCORE! - ENCORE!

Passenger RR Fallen Flag #1

A good time to Post a bit of info regarding a Passenger RR Fallen Flag - The Southern Pacific (SP) : (from: Classic American Railroads)

Headquarters: San Francisco, CA

Mileage:

1950: 15,039 (including subsidiary St. Louis-Southwestern)
1955: 178,340 (including subsidiaries, SW, SPCSL, and D&RGW)

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 2,096

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars 77,401 - Passenger cars: 1,002

Principal lines as of 1950:

Los Angeles-San Francisco via San Jose
San Jose-Ogden, Utah
Davis, CA-Portland, OR, via Chemult and Eugene, OR
Eugene-Black Butte via Roseburg, OR
Sacramento-Burbank (LA) via Bakersfield
Lathrop-Martinez, CA
LA-New Orleans via Phoenix, AZ
El Paso, TX-Tucumcari, NM
Galveston-Dallas/Denison, TX via Houston and Hearne
Rosenburg-Brownsville, TX
San Antonio-Corpus Christi, TX
Houston-Shreveport, LA
St. Louis-Dallas/Ft. Worth (SSW)
Memphis, TN-Brinkley, AR
Mt. Pleasant-Waco, TX (SSW)
Lewisville, AK-Shreveport, LA (SSW)

Principal added lines as of 1996:

Tucumcari-St. Louis via Kansas City
St. Louis-Chicago via Bloomington, IL
Kansas City-Chicago via Quincy, IL (trackage rights on BNSF)
Kansas City-Chicago via Ft. Madison, IA (trackage rights on BNSF)
Ogden-Pueblo, CO via Salt Lake City, UT and Salida, CO
Dotsero-Pueblo, CO via Grandby and Denver
Pueblo-Kansas City via Salinas, KS (trackage rights on UP)

Notable passenger trains:

Argonault (LA-New Orleans)
Cascade (Oakland-Portland)
City of San Francisco (Oakland-Chicago via Ogden; joint with UP and C&NW) – Milwaukee Road after 1955)
Coast Daylight (San Francisco-LA via San Luis Obispo; for a time also known as Morning Daylight)
Del Monte (San Francisco-Monterey, CA)
Golden State Limited (LA-Chicago via Tucumcari; joint with Rock Island)
Hustler (Houston-Dallas)
Imperial (LA-Chicago via Tucumcari; joint with Rock Island)
Lark (Oakland/San Francisco-LA via San Luis Obispo)
Owl (San Francisco-LA via Bakersfield)
Sacramento Daylight (Sacramento-LA via Bakersfield)
San Francisco Overland (Until Oct 1955, Oakland-Chicago via Ogden; joint with UP and C&NW; after 1955 Oakland-St. Louis joint with the Wabash Railroad)
San Joaquin Daylight (Oakland-LA via Bakersfield)
Shasta Daylight (Oakland-Portland)
Starlight (San Francisco-LA)
Sunbeam (Houston-Dallas)
Sunset Limited (Initially San Francisco-New Orleans via San Joaquin Valley; later cut back to LA-New Orleans).

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


ENCORE! - ENCORE! - ENCORE! - ENCORE!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

No takers[?] Try this . . . .


SP Golden State in New Mexico (1947) (fair use)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Still no takers[?] Okay . . .


SP City of San Francisco in Wyoming (1948) (fair use)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Hmmmmmmm . . .

SP Golden State in Palm Springs (1948) (fair use)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hiya Tom

I'm here, mate - you aren't all alone after all![swg]

My contribution . . .


SP #2954 Parlor obs (from: LA River RR)


See ya at the bar . . .

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Passenger RR Fallen Flag #2

Well, apparently the Fallen Flags idea has struck a chord ... so here's another from Classic American Railroads:

Missouri Pacific (MoPAC)

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Route mileage in 1950: 9,700

Locomotive fleet in 1963: Diesel: 724

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 44.923 Passenger cars: 533

Principal lines in 1950:

St. Louis-Sedalia-Kansas City, MO-Omaha, NE
Jefferson City-Boonville-Kansas City
St. Joseph, MO-Stockton, KS
Kansas City-Pueblo, CO
Osawatomie, KS-Wagoner, OK-North Little Rock, AR
Pleasant Hill, MO-Wichita-Geneseo, KS
Fort Scott-Larned, KS
Rich Hill-Joplin, MO
Carthage, MO-Diaz, AR
St. Louis-Little Rock, AR-Texarkana, TX
East St. Louis, IL-Poplar Bluff, MO
Bismark, MO-Salem, IL
Bald Knob, AR-Memphis, TN
Little Rock-McGehee, AR-Lake Charles, LA
Memphis-McGehee
McGehee-Vidalia, LA
Pine Bluff-Hot Springs, AR
Gurdon, AR-Clayton, LA
Longview-Laredo, TX
Palestine-Galveston, TX
Brownsville, TX-Baton Rouge, LA-New Orleans
New Orleans-Donaldson-Alexandria, LA
Forth Worth-Spring (Houston), TX
San Antonio-Corpus Christi, TX
El Paso-Longview, TX-Livonia, LA-New Orleans (T&P)
Fort Worth, TX-Cypress, LA, via Texarkana & Marthaville, LA (T&P)
Texarkana-Longview (T&P)

Passenger Trains:

Aztec Eagle (San Antonio-Mexico City)
Colorado Eagle (St, Louis-Denver)
Houstonian (New Orleans-Houston)
Louisiana Sunshine Special (Little Rock-Lake Charles)
Missouri River Eagle (St. Louis-Omaha)
Missourian (St. Louis-Kansas City and Wichita)
Orleanean (Houston-New Orleans)
Ozarker (St. Louis-Little Rock)
Pioneer (Houston-Brownsville)
Rainbow Special (Kansas City-Little Rock)
Royal Gorge (Kansas City-Pueblo)
Southerner (St. Louis-El Paso & San Antonio & New Orleans)
Southern Scenic (Kansas City-Memphis)
Sunflower (St. Louis-Kansas City & Wichita)
Sunshine Special (St. Louis-Hot Springs & San Antonio)
Texan (St. Louis-Fort Worth
Texas Eagle (No. 1 & 2: St. Louis-El Paso, TX)
Texas Eagle (No. 21 & 22: St. Louis-Houston & San Antonio)
Valley Eagle (Houston-Brownsville)

Of note: National Railways of Mexico operated the Aztec Eagle between Nuevo Laredo-Mexico City.
T&P operated the El Paso trains out of Texarkana and handled Texarkana-Longview trains.
Denver trains out of Pueblo were operated by D&RGW.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Some nostalgia from MoPac . . .

MP Magazine (1952) (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hiya Tom

Really weird at this thread - but, I'll do my part as long as you're here![swg]


Missouri Pacific #891 Colorado Eagle (from: www.trainweb.com)



Until the next time!

Lars

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure what timeframe you are working from with your lists of notable passenger trains but:

For Missouri Pacific, the Sunshine Special was the leader of the fleet from 1915 until after WWII when the Texas Eagles were introduced (originally to be the Sunshine Eagle but renamed when National Railways of Mexico failed to buy streamlined equipment for through service to Mexico City. The Sunshine Eagle provided service to Houston (and possibly through to the Rio Grande Valley and Galveston), and to Dallas-Fort Worth and El Paso with through cars to Los Angeles via SP west of El Paso (just like the Texas Eagle in the 1950s).

MoPac also operated the City of Mexico for a few years providing a weekly through train from St. Louis to Mexico City.

For a year or two the Pennsylvania also operated a Sunshine Special with through cars for the Missouri Pacific. It was eventually renamed the Penn Texas. Before it was renamed, through cars for Frisco bound for the Meteor and the Texas Special operated on the American east of St. Louis.

The heavyweight predecessor to the Colorado Eagle was the Scenic Limited which provided service to Denver and through service, via Rio Grande and WP, to Oakland.

Before the Depression, the SP operated the Padre, an all-Pullman overnight train from Los Angeles to Oakland via the Coast Line and San Jose.

The SP, in conjunction with UP and CNW also operated the Forty-Niner and the Treasure Island Special between Chicago and Oakland for a year or two (1939-1940?). I think each train operated one day a week providing extra capacity in connection with some sort of exposition on Treasure Island in San Francisco Bay (the same exposition that inspired the Exposition Flyer on the Burlington-Rio Grande-WP route, the California Zephyr's predecessor). There were also the Atlantic and Pacific (Limited?), which were maids-of-all-work, and the San Francisco Challenger, which was replaced after WWII with the Gold Coast.

In addition to the LA to Oakland Owl, SP (on subsidiary Texas and New Orleans) operated an Owl between Houston and Dallas.

The Shasta name predated the introduction of the Shasta Daylight in the late 1940s. Before the Depression (possibly before streamlining after WWII), the most important train on the Oakland to Portland run was the Shasta Express (I think ... maybe Shasta Limited). Other trains on this route were the Beaver (coach-tourist train until the Cascade got coaches) and the Klamath (another maid-of-all-work).

[JanOlov]

You people of unlimited knowledge...
What book(s) would you recommend if you want to read more about the Southern Pacific's Daylight trains? I love the one I have about the Hiawatha by Jim Scribbins, is there any book as good as that one?

[siberianmo]

Hello!

Jan Suggest you take a look at Southern Pacific Daylight, vol I by Richard Wright. Unfortunately this book is rather expensive - check out: http://www.railwayshop.com/train-books.shtml

Another URL that may help is: http://www.csrmf.org/store/default.asp?parentid=4

By the by, my knowledge base is rather limited, especially when there are so many who seemingly know it all![swg]

For "anonymous" (nothing in profile) - those MoPac name trains are from the 1950s . . .

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #3

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Western Pacific (WP)

Headquarters: San Francisco, CA

Route mileage in 1950: 1,137

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel - 174

Rolling stock in 1950: Freight cars – 5,532; Passenger cars – 29

Principal routes in 1950 (not including subsidies):

Oakland-Stockton-Sacramento, CA-Salt Lake City, UT
Keddie-Bieber, CA
Reno Junction-Reno, NV
Niles-San Jose, CA

Passenger trains of note:

California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago – Oakland)
Feather River Express (Oakland-Portola, CA)
Royal Gorge (Oakland-St. Louis, MO)
Scenic Limited (Oakland-St. Louis)
Zephyrette (Oakland-Salt Lake City) [RDC’s!]

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Some from the WP . . .

WP FP7A #805A (1999) (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hiya Tom!

Just dropping by to help keep this thread 'alive' for ya . . .

My contribution B4 heading over to the bar . . .

WP #881 Silver Chalet (from: www.trainweb.org)



Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G"day!

My final for the day . . . .


WP VO-1000 #581 (1945) (courtesy: www.trainweb.com)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #4


Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific (The Rock Island)



Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage in 1950: 7,579

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel – 539

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 26,690; Passenger cars – 646

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Omaha, NE
Omaha-Colorado Springs & Denver, CO
Davenport, IA-Tucumcari, NM
Bureau Junction-Peoria, IL
Minneapolis, MN-Kansas City, MO
Manly-Burlington, IA
Cedar Rapids (Vinton), IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Keokuk, IA-Bear Lake, SD
Tucumcari-Memphis, TN
Herington, KS-Houston, TX
Little Rock, AR-Eunice, LA
Kansas City-St. Louis

Passenger trains of note:

Choctaw Rocket (Amarillo, TX-Memphis)
Corn Belt Rocket (Chicago-Omaha)
Des Moines Rocket (Chicago-Des Moines, IA)
Golden State (Chicago-LA; joint ops w/SP)
The Imperial (Chicago-LA)
Kansas City Rocket (Minneapolis-Kansas City)
Peoria Rockets (Chicago-Peoria)
Texas Rocket (Ft. Worth-Houston; then Kansas City-Dallas)
Twin Star Rocket (Minneapolis-Houston)
Quad City Rocket (Chicago-Rock Island)
Rocky Mountain Rocket (Chicago-Colorado Springs & Denver)
Zephyr Rocket (Minneapolis-St. Louis; joint ops w/CB&Q)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[LoveDomes]

G'day Tom!

My contribution this AM . . . .


Rock Island #1875 Quad Cities Rocket - Big Ben - (1972) (from: www.trainweb.org - photo: John Kuehl)


See ya over at the bar![tup]


Until the next time!

Lars