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[siberianmo]

Continuing on with the "Theme for the Day! Union Pacific" - here's one I've run before on this Thead:

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #49

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Union Pacific (UP) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . .”Wonder World” . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . OF SOUTHERN UTAH * ARIZONA . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . BRYCE CANYON . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NATIONAL PARK . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

To visit Bryce is like entering a strange, new world. The rainbow-hued, fantastic stone shapes are mysterious, enchanting.

See Bryce, together with Utah’s Zion and Arizona’s Grand Canyon National Parks, on one memorable motor bus tour. Make this area your vacation destination or stop over en route to or from Los Angeles.

Union Pacific will take you to Cedar City, Utah – gateway to the Parks – in air conditioned comfort.

UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Road of the Streamliners . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hey Felix

We kinda like to keep the personal stuff over at the bar . . . . be glad to "talk" to ya there. The three of us - Al - me - Lars were all sailors . . . Navy - Coast Guard - Merchant Marine.

Gotta get back to "work" - I run a bar ya know![swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom my contribution to the thread for this day.

CHICAGO
BURLINGTON
&
QUINCY
(CB&Q) Streamlined Dining and Lounge Cars
by Al

In June 1933 the CB&Q ordered a three car articulated streamliner from the Budd Company of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The new train delivered in April 1934 became known as the PIONEER ZEPHYR. The famous shovelnose diesel was introduced with this train and ideas introduced in this train would be incorporated in even today’s streamlined trains such as the Amtrak Talgo train sets operating in the Pacific Northwest. The first articulated unit 9900 included the engineer’s compartment, engine room, 30’Railway Post Office compartment and a 15-3/4’ Baggage compartment. The center articulated unit 505 provided a 29-1/2’ baggage compartment, the train heat boiler, a buffet followed by the cars entrance and a 20-revenue seat coach compartment. The third articulated unit 570 featured a 40-revenue coach seating compartment forward with the cars entrance next followed by a pair of bathrooms on either side of the center aisle and a 12 passenger parlor lounge observation. The car we are concerned with here is the 505.
The Buffet was a compact kitchen located ahead of the cars entrance and contained stove refrigerator and preparation area as well as pantry and sinks for dishwashing etc. Passengers were served at their seat, as there was no room in the tiny 5-1/2’ buffet for serving them. The PIONEER ZEPHYR is now on permanent display at the Museum of Science and Industry located along Chicago’s lakeshore.

ARTICULATED BAGAGE BUFFET 20-REVENUE SEAT COACH Budd Company April 1934 (Became the second car in the PIONEER ZPHYR)

505
Two new three car articulated Zephyrs arrived from Budd in March 1933 for Chicago – Twin Cities service as the TWIN ZEPHYRS. The two power units 9901 and 9902 contained an engineer’s compartment, engine room 28-3/4’ Baggage compartment and train heat boiler room. The center car featured a kitchen Pantry and four-seat lunch counter occupying the first 13-1/2’ of cars 550 and 101. Next were the cars entrance followed by a 40-revenue seat coach section in which the first eight seats forward on each side of the aisle doubled as a dining area. Most passengers of these two trains were again served at their seats. The third articulated cars 571 and 102 provided a 26-revenue coach section forward, the cars entrance and behind a pair of restrooms was a 24-seat parlor lounge Observation.

ARTICULATED KITCHEN PANTRY 4-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 40-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company March 1935 (Built for and assigned to TWIN ZEPHYRS)

550, 101

In October 1935 the CB&Q received an articulated four-car train set the MARK TWAIN ZEPHYR. Each of the four articulated units that comprised the train were numbered and named. The names reflected characters from MARK TWAIN novels. The shovelnose cab unit 9903 *** JOE featured the engineers compartment, engine room, 30’Railway Post Office Compartment and 15’Baggage compartment. The second articulated car 506 BECKY THATCHER was a 64’full baggage car. Car 531 HUCKLEBERRY FINN featured a kitchen and pantry followed by the cars entry next came a 16-seat dinette and 20-revenue seat coach compartment. The last car 572 TOM SAWYER provided 40-revenue seat coach compartment the cars center entrance and a 16- seat parlor lounge Observation. The four-car train was assigned to a daily round trip between St. Louis and Burlington, Iowa.

ARTICULATED KITCHEN-PANTRY 16-SEAT DINETTE 20-REVENUE SEAT COACH Budd Company October 1935 (Built for and assigned to MARK TWAIN ZEPHYR)

551 HUCKLEBERRY FINN

In October 1936 the CB&Q received two ten-car streamliners for service as the DENVER ZEPHYRS. Each of these trains was powered by an A-B set of Shovelnose diesels with 1,800 hp in the Cab unit and 1,200 hp in the booster unit. The trains were comprised of articulated and single cars with one set of three articulated cars and two pairs of articulated cars the remaining three were all single cars. The second car in each consist was a Baggage 12-crew dormitory Bar 34-seat cocktail lounge car either 980 SILVER LINING or 981 SILVER BAR. The here car articulated set comprised two coaches and the third unit was a 40-seat dining car either 152-SILVER GRILL or 153 SILVER SERVICE. The last car in each DENVER ZEPHYR offered 10-seat parlor, desk, and 1-booth seating four, buffet 1-booth seating four and the lounge observation seated 22. These two cars were numbered and named 230 SILVER FLASH and 231 SILVER STREAK.

BAGGAGE 12-CREW DORMITORY BAR 34 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE CARS Budd Company October 1936 (Built for and assigned to DENVER ZEPHYRS)

980 SILVER LINING

981 SILVER BAR

ARTICULATED 64-REVENUE SEAT COACH ARTICULATED 38-REVENUE SEAT COACH ARTICULATED 40-SEAT DINING CAR SET Budd Company October 1936 (Built for and assigned to DENVER ZEPHYRS)

4631 SILVER CITY
4632 SILVER LAKE
152 SILVER GRILL

4633 SILVER SPRUCE
4634 SILVER PLUME
153 SILVER SERVICE

10-SEAT PARLOR BUFFET 8-SEAT CARD AREA 22-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company October 1936 (Built for and assigned to DENVER ZEPHYRS)

230 SILVER FLASH

231 SILVER STREAK

Less than two months later in December 1936 the CB&Q received two six-car articulated trains to replace the earlier TWIN ZEPHYRS. A single 1,800 hp shovelnose diesel unit, the last of their kind purchased by the railroad, powered each of these fully articulated trains. These two trains were named the TRAIN OF THE GODS and TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES. Each train set operated a round trip daily between Chicago and the Twin Cities. The first articulated car in each consist was an Auxiliary power, Baggage Bar 34-seat cocktail lounge car 960-VENUS or 961 APOLLO. The fourth articulated car in each consist was a 32-seat dining car 150-CERES or 151-VULCAN. The last articulated car in each consist 24-revenue parlor seats 10-seat lounge observation 225JUNO or 226 JUPITER.

ARTICULATED AUXILIARY POWER 10’ BAGGAGE BAR 34-SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE CARS Budd Company December 1936 (Built for and assigned to TWIN ZEPHYRS)

960 VENUS

961 APOLLO

ARTICULATED 32-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company December 1936 (Built for and assigned to TWIN ZEPHYRS)

150 CERES

151 VULCAN

ARTICULATED 24-REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 10-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company December 1936 (Built for and assigned to TWIN ZEPHYRS)

225 JUNO

226 JUPITER

In June 1938 the CB&Q received a single articulated car to be added to the PIONEER ZEPHYR number 500. This car was trainlined third in the train with the trains observation articulated to the rear. This car featured a Kitchen-Pantry 16-seat Dinette 24-revenue coach seats. The 505 thereafter operated as a baggage car only after that time with the Buffet and coach seating removed. The windows remained but the interior was stripped.

ARTICULATED KITCHEN-PANTRY 16-SEAT DINETTE 24-REVENUE SEAT COACH Budd Company June 1938 (Built for and assigned to PIONEER ZEPHYR)

500

In August 1937 Budd delivered two additional articulated cars to increase the capacity of the TRAIN OF THE GODS and TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES. One car was added to each consist with 4850 PSYCHE going to the TRAIN OF THE GODS and 4851 CUPID being added to the TRAIN OF THE GODS. Each of these cars featured 40-revenue coach seats and 16-seat dining area. These cars were trainlined just ahead of dining cars 150 CERES and 151 VULCAN with their kitchens serving the dining areas in 4850 PSYCHE and 4851 CUPID.

ARTICULATED 40-SEAT COACH 16-SEAT DINETTES Budd Company August 1937 (Built for and added to TWIN ZEPHYRS)

4850 PSYCHE

4851 CUPID

In May 1938 the CB&Q received two 87’cars to be added one per consist to the DENVER ZEPHYRS. These cars featured a 16-seat dinette at one end a buffet next and 48-revenue coach seats. The two cars 4852 SILVER BEAM and 4853 SILVER BELL were trainlined directly behind the DENVER ZEPHYR Auxiliary power, Crew Dormitory, Bar Cocktail lounge cars.

16-SEAT DINETTE BUFFET 48-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company May 1938 (Built for and added to the DENVER ZEPHYRS)

4852 SILVER BEAM

4853 SILVER BELL

All future streamlined cars would be constructed to full streamlined car dimensions and there would be no further articulated cars built for the CB&Q.
In May 1938 the CB&Q received three dining cars from Budd with a most unusual seating arrangement of regular tables seating 24 and seating with backs to the windows that seated an additional 15. This gave these cars a 39-seat total in the same space that an all dining table arrangement would have seated 48. All three were converted to 48-seat dining cars early in their CB&Q careers. These three cars were assigned to the heavyweight ARISTOCRATS between Chicago and Denver there only permanent assignment. It is believed they operated in the They were assigned to the TWIN ZEPHYRS before that train received its Vista Dome equipment in 1947. They became the substitute dining cars for whatever ZEPHYR needed one. All three were numbered and named with SILVER prefix names now standard naming practice for Budd built cars operated by the CB&Q.

39-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company May 1938 (Built for and assigned to ARISTOCRAT later assigned to General service)

190 SILVER PHEASANT

191 SILVER INN

192 SILVER SPOON

The next four lightweight streamlined dining cars delivered to the CB&Q were actually dining parlor observations. Two of these were delivered in 1939 one in March for the GENERAL PERSHING ZEPHYR between St. Louis and Kansas City round trip daily. This four –car train operated with the last shovelnose diesel built CB&Q 9908 SILVER CHARGER, a single 1,000 hp diesel occupied the forward part of the car body and a baggage compartment the rear half. The fourth car 301 SILVER STAR featured Kitchen-Pantry 24-seat dining 22-seat parlor observation.
The second of these cars delivered to the CB&Q in 1939 was 300 SILVER SPIRIT delivered in October. This car identical to the 301 SILVER STAR was assigned initially to the SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR operating a daily round trip between Lincoln and Kansas City by way of Omaha and St. Joseph. This was a five-car train with a single 2,000 hp EMC E5A unit up front for power.

24-SEAT DINING 22-REVENUE SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATION Budd Company March 1939 (Built for and assigned to GENERAL PERSHING ZEPHYR)

301 SILVER STAR

24-SEAT DINING 22-REVENUE SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATION Budd Company October 1939 (Built for and assigned to SILVER STREAK ZEPHYR)

300 SILVER SPIRIT

The two remaining cars of the above type were delivered to the CB&Q in June 1940. Initially they were assigned to the AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR. The names and numbers of this pair were 302 SILVER HOURS and 303 SILVER FOUNTAIN. The 302 SILVER HOURS operated for most of its service life bringing up the markers of the SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR between Dallas/Fort Worth and Houston round trip daily.

24-SEAT DINING 22-REVENUE SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATIONS Budd Company June 1940 (Built for and assigned to AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR)

302 SILVER HOURS

303 SILVER TRAYS

Except for cars built for the CB&Q subsidiaries FW&D and C&S this covers the prewar streamlined feature cars of the Burlington. For the information on the FW&D and C&S cars see those respective chapters.
Following WW II the CB&Q was anxious to complete the modernization of their passenger services with additional Budd built cars. The first train to receive completely new consists following the war were the VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS of December 1947. Not only did these trains introduce the modern dome to the traveling public, but also they were among the finest day streamliners ever built.
The first car in each VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYR was a baggage buffet bar 33-seat lounge car 800 SILVER BUFFET or 801 SILVER SALON. These cars were delivered in December 1947 in time for the train’s inaugural.
The next two cars were the dining cars assigned to each VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYR they were not delivered by Budd until January 1948 and for the trains inaugural two of the pre-war streamlined 39-seat dining cars were substituted for about a month. The train’s dining cars were standard Budd 48-seat dining cars that would become standard from that company. As one entered the dining area from either the kitchen end of the car or the adjoining car they were greeted with a booth on either side of the center aisle with seating for four. Between these booths on either side of the center aisle were four standard dining tables with seating for four. The advantage of this type arrangement allowed the booths to seat passengers during off peak periods until dining space at the tables became available. Cocktails were usually served at these booths before lunch or dinner. During peak travel times the booths were set as regular dining space, sometimes all four booths or one at each end of the car depending on how many were expected for dinner. The two built for and assigned to the VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS were 196 SILVER SALVER and 197 SILVER FEAST.

BAGGAGE BUFFET BAR 39-SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE CARS Budd Company December 1947 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS)

800 SILVER BUFFET

801 SILVER SALON

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company January 1948 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS)

196 SILVER SALVER

197 SILVER FEAST

Probably one of the most famous postwar trains to enter service was the jointly owned and operated VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR operating between Chicago and Oakland pier. The CB&Q operated the trains between Chicago and Denver, the D&RGW operated the trains between Denver and Salt Lake City and the WP operated the trains between Salt Lake City and Oakland. These trains like the VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS that preceded them carried five domes in each consist. There were three feature cars in each eleven-car VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR train set.
The fifth car in each consist was a Vista-Dome 19-seat coffee shop 7-seat lounge buffet 17-crew dormitory car with a 24-seat dome located above the Buffet –Lounge area. The dome seating was reserved for sleeping car passengers only and the buffet lounge coffee shop was open to all passengers but was most often the domain of the coach passengers.
The eighth car in each VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR consist was a 48-seat dining car nearly identical to those built for the VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS.
The eleventh and final car in each VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR the observation was the piece-de-resistance. This car provided three double bedrooms one drawing room forward of the dome. Beneath the dome was a Bar and 12-seat lounge. On the main level to the rear of the dome was a lounge with seating for 18 in the observation. The dome featured the usual 24-seats. Obviously these cars were reserved for the first class trade.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 19-SEAT COFFEE SHOP BUFFET 7-SEAT LOUNGE 17-CREW DORMITORY CARS Budd Company October –November 1948 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q

250 SILVER CLUB

251 SILVER LOUNGE

252 SILVER ROUNDUP

D&RGW

1140 SILVER SHOP

WP

831 SILVER CHALET

832 SILVER HOSTEL

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company November 1948 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q

193 SILVER CAFÉ

194 SILVER DINER

195 SILVER RESTAURANT

D&RGW

1115 SILVER BANQUET

WP

841 SILVER PLATE

842 SILVER PLATTER

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 3-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BAR 12-SEAT BUFFET LOUNGE 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company December 1948-January 1949 Plan: 9511 Lot: 9659 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q

375 SILVER HORIZON

376 SILVER PENTHOUSE

377 SILVER SOLARIUM

D&RGW


1145 SILVER SKY

WP

881 SILVER CRESCENT

882 SILVER PLANET

In December 1952 Budd delivered two Vista-Dome 24-revenue seat coach 3 –Crew Dormitory Buffet 6-seat Lounge 17-seat Coffee shop cars 320 SILVER GARDEN and 321 SILVER PATIO, for operation in the new KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR and AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYR.
Three 48-seat dining cars were delivered by Budd in October-November 1952 198 SILVER CUISINE, 199 SILVER INN and 200 SILVER MANOR. Two of these cars 199 SILVER INN and 200 SILVER MANOR were assigned to the KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR while the third 198 SILVER CUISINE was assigned to the AK-SAR-BEN / CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR pool. Dining car 199 SILVER INN was the second Budd built dining car to carry this name the 1938 built car was destroyed in a wreck in 1946.
Also in December 1952 a single Vista-Dome 3-Double Bedroom 1-Drawing Room Bar 12-Seat Buffet 18-Seat Lounge Observation was delivered to the CB&Q for the AK-SAR-BEN / CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR pool of cars.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 24-REVENUE SEAT COACH 3-CREW DORMITORY BUFFET 6-SEAT LOUNGE 17-SEAT COFFEE SHOP CARS Budd Company December 1952 (Built for and assigned to AMERICAN ROYAL-KANSAS CITY ZEPHYRS)

320 SILVER GARDEN

321 SILVER PATIO

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company October – November 1952 (Built for and assigned to AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR / CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR pool and KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR)

AK-SAR-BEN – CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR

198 SILVER CUISINE

KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR

199 SILVER INN

200 SILVER MANOR

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 3-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BAR BUFFET 12-SEAT LOUNGE 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Budd Company December 1952 Plan: 9533 Lot: 9659-112 (Built for and assigned to AK-SAR-BEN / CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR pool)

378 SILVER LOOKOUT

The CB&Q would have the distinction of introducing the last new long distance full service trains in the United States prior to Amtrak. The new trains inaugurated October 28, 1956 were the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS replacements for the streamlined 1936 trains. Each new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR normally operated with fourteen cars. The 1956 DENVER ZEPHYRS were quite different than the 1936 DENVER ZEPHYR trains in that they carried cars not only between Chicago and Denver but each day four cars continued beyond Denver on the rear of the westbound D&RGW ROYAL GORGE to Colorado Springs. The same four cars after servicing and washing returned to Denver that same afternoon on the rear of the eastbound D&RGW ROYAL GORGE and continued on to Chicago in the DENVER ZEPHYR. Each of the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR train sets carried three feature cars. There was a Vista-Dome 15-crew dormitory 8-seat lunch counter 4-seat lounge 19-seat Coffee shop car in each consist that operated as a through car between Chicago and Colorado Springs providing breakfast service between Denver and Colorado Springs each morning, and full meal and lounge service between Denver and Chicago in each direction. The two cars built for the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR trains were 253 SILVER CUP and 254 SILVER KETTLE.
The two 48-seat Dining cars built for the VISTA DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS were 201 SILVER CHEF and 202 SILVER TUREEN.
The remaining pair of feature cars assigned was for the use of first class passenger only. These were the Vista-Dome 11-seat parlor 5-seat parlor drawing room Bar 12-seat cocktail lounge 13-seat lounge observations 235 SILVER CHATEAU and 236 SILVER VERANDA. The DENVER ZEPHYRS provided Parlor car service between Chicago and Omaha westbound and Denver and Lincoln eastbound. They were one of the few trains that provided sleeping car accommodation and parlor car seating in the same trains.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 15-CREW DORMITORY 8-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER BUFFET SEAT LOUNGE 19-SEAT COFFEE SHOP CARS Budd Company October 1956 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS)

253 SILVER CUP

254 SILVER KETTLE

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company October 1956 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS)

201 SILVER CHEF

202 SILVER TUREEN

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 11-SEAT PARLOR 5-SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM BAR 12-SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE 13-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company September 1956 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS)

235 SILVER CHATEAU

236 SILVER VERANDA

Besides the Budd built cars delivered in stainless steel that have already been mentioned the CB&Q owned a number of other streamlined feature cars painted for parents GN and NP streamliners. The CB&Q operated the NP NORTH COAST LIMITED and GN EMPIRE BUILDER and WESTERN STAR between Chicago and St. Paul.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Gents!

Appears Al has set the "Theme for the Day" once again - so here's some more . . .
(previously Posted on this Thread)

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago, Burlington & Quincy (CB&Q) Burlington Route

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage:

1950: 11,000 (includes subsidiaries, Fort Worth & Denver and Colorado & Southern)

Locomotives in 1963:

Steam: 10 Diesel: 691

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 41,099 Passenger cars: 925

Principal lines in 1950:

Aurora, IL-Minneapolis, MN via Rochelle, IL
Chicago-Omaha-Denver via Lincoln, NE
Galesburg, IL-Kansas City & St. Joseph, MO via Quincy, IL
Savanna & Rock Island, IL-Paducah, KY
Burlington, IA-St. Louis via Quincy
Omaha-Kansas City via St. Joseph
Napier, MO (St. Joseph)-Oxford,NE
Table Rock, NE-Billings, MT via Lincoln
Billings-Galveston, TX via Thermopolis & Cheyenne, WY & Denver
Ashland, NE-Sioux City, IA
Galesburg-Peoria, IL
Kansas City-St. Louis (trackage rights on GM&) Kansas City-Mexico, MO)

Passenger trains of note:

Afternoon Zephyr (Chicago-Twin Cities)
Ak-Sar-Ben Zephyr (Chicago-Lincoln)
American Royal Zephyr (Chicago-Kansas City)
Black Hawk (Chicago-Twin Cities
California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland, CA; jointly operated with D&RGW and WP)
Denver Zephyr (Chicago-Denver-Colorado Springs
Empire Builder (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, jointly operated with GN and SP&S)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago-Oakland; jointly operated with DR&GW and WP; replaced by California Zephyr in 1949)
Kansas City Zephyr (Chicago-Kansas City)
Mainstreeter (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with NP and SP&S)
Morning Zephyr (Chicago-Kansas City
Nebraska Zephyr (Chicago-Lincoln)
North Coast Limited (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, jointly operated with NP and SP&S)
Pioneer Zephyr (West Quincy-Hannibal, MO)
Sam Houston Zephyr (Dallas-Houston)
Texas Zephyr (Denver-Dallas)
Western Star (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, jointly operated with GN and SP&S)
Zephyr Rocket (Minneapolis-St. Louis; jointly operated with RI


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom

I know you're away . . . so I'll just leave this for what it's worth as my contribution to the "Theme for the day!" ......

Name trains of the Chicago, Burlington, and Quincy (Burlington Route) (CB&Q)

QUOTE: Ak-Sar-Ben
Alaskan
Black Hawk
California Zephyr
Denver Zephyr
Empire Builder
Exposition Flyer
Mainstreeter
Mark Twain Zephyr
Nebraska Zephyr
North Coast Limited
Oriental Limited
Sam Houston Zephyr
Silver Streak Zephyr
Texas Zephyr
Twin Cities Zephyr (am, pm)
Western Star
Zephyr Rocket

As always, not intended to be all inclusive, but should suffice for those with an interest in the "name trains" of the Burlington Route!

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

Good Evening!

Something previously Posted on this thread, but in line with our "Theme for the Day!" . . .

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #34

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the BURLINGTON ROUTE in a 1949 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . VISIT Colorful Colorado! . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Land of a Million Thrills! . . . . . . . . . .

* No vacation empire in all the world offers you more variety – more sheer enjoyment! Mile-high Denver and its mountain parks . . . picturesque Colorado Springs and pikes Peak region . . . the grandeur of Rock Mountain National-Estes Park . . . the friendly Dude Ranches. Ride or hike! Fish or golf! Go sightseeing or just be lazy! Whatever you choose, Colorado gives you extra pleasure!

. . . . . For Speed, Comfort, Pleasure . . . Go Burlington! . . . . .

* Choose between two famous diesel-powered streamlined trains -0 the DENVER ZEPHYR, overnight every night from Chicago to Colorado . . . or the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR, with its entrancing Vista-Domes. Extra speed, extra luxury . . . but no extra fare!

BURLINGTON’S 100th ANNNIVERSARY * 1849-1949
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Way of the Zephyrs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . VISIT THE CHICAGO RAILROAD FAIR JUNE 25 – OCT 2 . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

This article ought to pull Lars out of his flooded basement and help him forget the mess.

Chicago
Burlington
&
Quincy
(CB&Q) Streamlined Dome Cars
By Al


The Chicago Burlington & Quincy would be the largest owner of Budd built dome cars prior to Burlington Northern and a year later Amtrak.
The Burlington as previously mentioned built the first modern dome car in their own Aurora Shops in Illinois. Actually this was a rebuild from a prewar Budd built stainless steel streamlined coach. The completed car was the 4714 SILVER DOME so named upon completion of the conversion to dome. The CB&Q named the car a Vista-Dome a name they would use for all of the domes they owned except for the one VIEW series full-dome they operated in the GN EMPIRE BUILDERS.

24-SEAT VISTA DOME 34 REVENUE SEAT COACH Budd Company June 1940 Rebuilt to Dome in CB&Q Aurora Shops June 1945 (World’s first modern dome car referred to as the pattern dome assigned to TWIN ZEPHYR)

4714 SILVER DOME original name SILVER ALCHEMY)

From this single car the CB&Q would order ten Vista-Domes for the two consists of the postwar VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYR. Each consist would have no less than five of the new VISTA-DOMES in each consist. There was three 54 revenue seat Vista-Dome coaches, one 50 revenue seat Vista-Dome coach and a single 29-revenue seat Parlor with 5-revenue seat Parlor Drawing Room Vista-Dome Observation. In addition their were two additional seats located at the rear of the Observation that were only a little less plu***han the other parlor seats that were sold as parlor seating when all other parlor seats were sold out. In actual fact the two observations actually sold 31-parlor seats not counting the five in the parlor drawing room located beneath the dome with its own private bathroom. In actual fact rare was the occasion when all 31 of these seats were not sold out as parlor car seating. All three types of dome cars had 24-non revenue seats in the domes.
The 54-revenue seat Vista-Dome coach’s featured 20-reclining seats forward of the dome, a large Women’s and Men’s restrooms were located beneath the dome. To the rear of the dome was located another 34-reclining seats.
The other Vista-Dome coach carried in each VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYR featured a Hostess room on the right side of the car forward on the main level. To the rear of the small Hostess room was 18-seats on the main level forward of the dome. Beneath the dome of these cars was a crew dayroom with 4-chairs and locker with a crew restroom annex. A small pair of passenger restrooms occupied the remaining space beneath the dome. To the rear of the dome on the cars main level were 32 –reclining seats, and a small conductors office.
The trains originally operated with two flat top cars as well one a 48-seat dining car the other a baggage-buffet 39-seat lounge car, bringing the original consists to seven cars each.
The VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS entered service December 19, 1947 becoming the first Vista-Dome trains in the world to enter scheduled service. Each train set would complete a round trip daily between Chicago and Minneapolis. In the mornings they operated as the MORNING VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS and in the afternoons as the AFTERNOON VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 54-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company July – October 1947 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS)

4725 SILVER ISLAND

4726 SILVER RIVER

4727 SILVER STREAM

4728 SILVER WAVE

4729 SILVER SCENE

4730 SILVER VISION

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME CREW ROOMS 50-REVENUE SEAT COACHES Budd Company October 1947 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS)

4723 SILVER BLUFF

4725 SILVER GLADE

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 5-SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 31-SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATIONS Budd Company November – December 1947 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS)

360 SILVER VIEW

361 SILVER VISTA

The following is a list of the two consists of the initial VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS.

800 SILVER BUFFET
Baggage-Buffet 39-seat Lounge Car
4726 SILVER RIVER
24-seat Vista-Dome 54-revenue seat Coach
4727 SILVER STREAM
24-seat Vista-Dome 54-revenue seat Coach
4728 SILVER WAVE
24-seat Vista-Dome 54-Revenue seat Coach
4723 SILVER BLUFF
24-seat Vista-Dome 50-Revenue seat Coach
197 SILVER FEAST
48-seat Dining Car
360 SILVER VIEW
24-seat Vista-Dome 5-seat Parlor Drawing Room 31-seat Parlor Observation

801 SILVER SALON
Baggage Buffet 39-seat Lounge Car
4729 SILVER SCENE
24-seat Vista-Dome 54-revenue seat Coach
4725 SILVER ISLAND
24-seat Vista-Dome 54-revenue seat Coach
4730 SILVER VISION
24-seat Vista-Dome 54-revenue seat Coach
4724 SILVER GLADE
24-seat Vista-Dome 50-revenue seat Coach
196 SILVER SALVER
48-seat Dining Car
361 SILVER VISTA
24-seat Vista-Dome 5-seat parlor Drawing Room 31-seat Parlor Observation

The CB&Q along with the D&RGW and WP ordered the most famous dome equipped streamliners of all in October 1945 two months after the CB&Q ordered the first two VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYR streamliners. This second order for Vista-Dome cars was for the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR, the train that would become a legend in its own right, America”s first cruise train
Each of the six VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR train sets were initially eleven cars in length; five of those cars were domes. Each VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR initially carried four types of different domes per consist, a women & children’s Vista Dome Coach, standard Vista Dome coaches, Vista Dome Buffet Lounge crew Dormitory and Vista-Dome 3-DBR 1 DR Bar Lounge and Lounge observation.
The first Vista-Dome 46-leg-rest seat coach in each of the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR consists was a designated women and Children’s car. The forward 18-seat coach area had a passageway door beneath the dome just forward of the men’s restroom to segregate this part of the car from the rest of the car. The remainder of these cars seated the standard 24 in the dome and 24 leg-rest seats on the main level aft of the dome. There were six of these cars built by Budd for the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. Two were CB&Q cars, one a D&RGW car and the remaining three WP owned. It is believed the cars lasted about two years as designated Women and Children’s car before the passageway door was removed and they were operated just as if they were any other dome coach in the VISTA DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 46-SEAT LEG-REST COACHES (designated Women & Children’s) Budd Company (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q
Delivered January – February 1948

4721 SILVER SADDLE

4722 SILVER STIRRUP

D&RGW
Delivered February 1948

1108 SILVER PONY

WP
Delivered February – March 1948

815 SILVER SCHOONER

816 SILVER SCOUT

817 SILVER THISTLE

The remaining eighteen Vista-Dome Coaches were 46-Leg-Rest Seat Cars without the passageway door beneath the dome. Eighteen Leg-rest seats forward of the dome on the main level and 28 on the main level aft of the depressed center beneath the dome. One each men’s and ladies restroom was located beneath the 24-seat Vista Dome. These restrooms were quite large with make-up area and bench in the ladies room, two sinks, and one separate toilet room, the men’s restroom provided two toilets with a bench and 4 sinks. This became the standard Budd arrangement for long distance dome coaches that would follow over the ensuing years. Since the Vista Dome Coaches were delivered to the operating roads before the VISTA DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR entered service they were assigned to the heavyweight EXPOSITION FLYER between Chicago and Oakland. The EXPOSITION FLYER would be discontinued with the inauguration of the VISTA DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 46-SEAT LEG-REST COACHES Budd Company (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q
Delivered March – April 1948

4716 SILVER BRIDLE

4717 SILVER LODGE

4718 SILVER LARIAT

4719 SILVER RANCH

4720 SILVER RIFLE

D&RGW
Delivered March – April 1948

1106 SILVER COLT

1107 SILVER MUSTANG

1108 SILVER BRONCO

WP
Delivered March – May 1948

811 SILVER DOLLAR

812 SILVER FEATHER

813 SILVER PALACE

814 SILVER SAGE

The fourth dome in the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR was the Vista-Dome Buffet Lounge Crew Dormitory car. The dome seated the usual 24 beneath the glass, in the short forward section of the cars main level was the Coffee Shop with seating for 19 arranged around four tables for four and one table for three. Beneath the dome was a 7-seat lounge area and the small kitchen pantry that served the Coffee Shop and Lounge area. The dome level of these cars was restricted to use by sleeping car passengers only who reached the dome by using the passageway alongside the Crew Dormitory space. To the rear of the dome on the main level was the crew dormitory area providing space for 15 in the main bunk area for the Dining car and Buffet lounge crew. To the rear of the general dormitory were two bedrooms, one for the dining car steward, and the other for the Zephyrette. The Zephyrette was the train hostess assigned to the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYRS. Initially these stewardesses were either College graduates or registered nurses, later these requirements were relaxed when many would be stewardesses turned to the airlines instead of the trains for work. The VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR Zephyrettes were home based in Oakland.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 19-SEAT COFFEE SHOP 7-SEAT LOUNGE BUFFET-PANTRY 19-CREW DORMITORY CARS Budd Company (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q
Delivered October-November 1948

250 SILVER CLUB

251 SILVER LOUNGE

252 SILVER ROUNDUP

D&RGW
Delivered November 1948

1140 SILVER SHOP

WP
Delivered November 1948

831 SILVER CHALET

832 SILVER HOSTEL

The last car and last Vista-Dome in each VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR was among the most beautiful cars ever built for railroad use. These cars besides having a dome that seated the standard 24, featured three Double Bedrooms one Drawing Room all forward of the dome on the main level. Beneath the dome was a twelve-passenger lounge with seating at tables for eight at tables for two and one table for four and bar. To the rear of the depressed area of the car was a lounge with seating for 18 one of these at a small writing desk providing complimentary VISTA DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR stationary. This latter lounge was in the rounded observation end. There were six of these cars built initially for the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. The Drawing Room Annex in each of these cars was retrofitted with a shower in 1951 after the cars had been in service for about two years.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 3-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BAR 12-SEAT LOUNGE 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company Plan: 9511 Lots: 9659-019-020-021 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

CB&Q
Delivered December 1948

375 SILVER HORIZON

376 SILVER PENTHOUSE

377 SILVER SOLARIUM

D&RGW
Delivered December 1948

1145 SILVER SKY

WP
Delivered December 1948

881 SILVER CRESCENT

882 SILVER PLANET

The CB&Q Aurora Shops were busy once again in July 1949 rebuilding another prewar Budd built streamlined coach into another of the so-called pattern dome cars identical to the earlier 4714 SILVER DOME. This second pattern dome 4709-SILVER CASTLE another coach originally constructed by Budd in June 1940 retained its name and number. After being rebuilt to a dome the 4709 SILVER CASTLE was assigned to one of the VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS. In fact the CB&Q operated both of their pattern domes in the VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYRS. No picture has ever surfaced of the two pattern domes operating in the same consist while in CB&Q or BN service. But pictures exist of the two TWIN ZEPHYRS passing with each having one pattern dome in each consist.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 34-REVENUE SEAT COACH Budd Company June 1940 Rebuilt to Dome in CB&Q Aurora Shop July 1949 (Rebuilt for and assigned to VISTA-DOME TWIN ZEPHYR)

4709 SILVER CASTLE

In December 1952 the CB&Q received a single 24-seat Vista-Dome 3-Double Bedroom 1-Drawing Room Bar 12-seat lounge 18- seat lounge Observation from Budd lettered for the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. This car was delivered with a shower in the annex of the drawing room. The shower feature had been added to the drawing room annexes of the earlier Vista-Dome Sleeper lounge Observations built for the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR in 1951.
The CB&Q purchased this car and three sleeping cars for the VISTA–DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR pool so two 10-6 sleeping cars, one 16-section sleeping car and one of the Vista-Dome Sleeper lounge Observations could be utilized in their Chicago layover to operate to Lincoln overnight on the rear of the VISTA-DOME AK-SAR-BEN ZEPHYR. These cars would then return to Chicago the following night and after arrival the next morning in Chicago the four cars would be assigned to that afternoons departing westbound VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. This was the last round end observation ever built for the CB&Q all future Observations built for ZEPHYRS would be blunt ended with diaphragms fitted for use mid-train if necessary.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-DRAWING ROOM BAR 12-SEAT LOUNGE 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Budd Company December 1952 Plan: 9433 Lot: 9659-112 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR)

378 SILVER LOOKOUT

The next CB&Q Vista-Domes delivered were four in 1952 for the startup of a new daylight ZEPHYR between Chicago and Kansas City made possible by the new Kansas City shortcut. The old route left the direct line to St. Joseph at Cameron Junction and proceeded to Kansas City. This route was 490 miles from Chicago to Kansas City and the track south of Cameron Junction was built for anything but fast running. The new Kansas City shortcut left the St. Joseph mainline at Brookfield and headed over new high-speed trackage on a far more direct route to Kansas City. The route cut 24 miles from the old route but had none of the slow running of the old route. This new shortcut permitted the CB&Q to at last compete with the Santa Fe between Kansas City and Chicago. The CB&Q was not concerned about their overnight service as it departed at a late hour and arrived at the other city in the early morning in time for a full day’s business. The overnight service did not require the speed of a daytime operation but never the less the CB&Q was going to upgrade the overnight AMERICAN ROYAL to ZEPHYR status at the same time. Some of the equipment operated in the new daytime Chicago to Kansas City service would also be utilized in the overnight VISTA-DOME AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYR as well. The new daytime train was named the VISTA-DOME KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR and each of this trains two-train sets was comprised of six cars each as follows:

1601 SILVER MAIL
Baggage 30’Railway Post Office car
4702 SILVER SPRING
52-Revenue seat Coach
4732 SILVER SHIELD
50-Revenue seat Coach
320 SILVER GARDEN
24-seat Vista Dome Coffee Shop Lounge Buffet Crew Dormitory 24-seat Coach
199 SILVER INN
48-seat Dining Car
366 SILVER TOWER
24-seat Vista Dome 5-seat Parlor Drawing Room 27- Seat Parlor Observation


1604 SILVER POUCH
Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office car
4715 SILVER CASCADE
52-Revenue seat Coach
4733 SILVER SPEAR
50-Revenue seat Coach
321 SILVER PATIO
24-seat Vista Dome Coffee Shop Lounge Buffet Crew Dormitory 24- seat Coach
200 SILVER MANOR
48-seat Dining Car
365 SILVER TERRACE
24-seat Vista Dome 5-seat Parlor Drawing Room 27-seat Parlor Observation

The Vista Dome Coffee Shop Lounge Buffet crew Dormitory coaches operated in both the new VISTA-DOME KANSAS CITY ZEPHYRS and new VISTA-DOME AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYRS.
The interiors of these two cars featured the 24-Vista Dome seats and the forward end of these cars featured a 24 revenue seat coach section and a small Crew Dormitory space (3-Crew) just ahead of the cars depressed center. Beneath the dome was a large Buffet and six seat Lounge with one table for four and one table for two to the rear of the depressed area of the car was a 17-seat Coffee Shop arranged with two tables for four, and three tables for three located on the cars main level, with the stairs leading to the dome.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 24-REVENUE SEAT COACH 3-CREW DORMITORY BUFFET LOUNGE COFFEE SHOP CARS Budd Company December 1952 (Built for and assigned to KANSAS CITY ZEPHYRS and AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYRS)

320 SILVER GARDEN

321 SILVER PATIO

The other dome car assigned to each VISTA-DOME KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR was a Vista-Dome Parlor Observation. These were the first of four blunt ended observations Budd would build for the CB&Q. The CB&Q Vista-Dome blunt end cars featured windows on either side of the rear door fitted with a diaphragm. This afforded the passengers viewing to the rear. In many ways it was better than the view from the rounded end observations as the view through the glass was not distorted as the panes on the rounded end observations often were.
The interiors of these two cars featured the standard 24-seats in the Vista-Dome, forward of the dome on the main level was seven Parlor seats. Beneath the dome was a 5-seat Parlor drawing Room with private annex and a pair of restrooms for the other parlor car patrons. In the main level area to the rear of the dome was another parlor lounge area with 20-Parlor seats.
In the 1960’s the VISTA-DOME KANSAS CITY ZEPHYRS ran combined with the NEBRASKA ZEPHYRS between Chicago and Galesburg both eastbound and westbound. This was probably the only assignment these cars operated in that they were used mid-train.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 5-SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 27-SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATIONS Budd Company November – December 1952 (Built for and assigned to KANSAS CITY ZEPHYRS)

365 SILVER TERRACE

366 SILVER TOWER

The next new Vista-Domes to arrive were ten 46-leg rest seat cars for the NP VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED fully painted in the new Raymond Loewy two-tone green with white separation stripe scheme. The Budd built domes delivered to the NP were smooth sided cars not fluted side panels as on all previous domes built by Budd. The CB&Q owned two of these cars as they operated the VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED between Chicago and St. Paul daily in each direction. The NP assigned these Vista-domes to replace two of that trains 56-revenue seat Leg Rest Coaches. The NP train-lined a flat top Coach between the dome coaches in order to assure the passengers a more unobstructed view. This was certainly something that would have benefited other train operating with domes. . The NP operated the new Vista-Dome coaches two per consist with one a Chicago – Portland car the other a through Chicago – Seattle car.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 46-REVENUE SEAT LEG-REST COACHES Budd Company July – August 1954 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED)

NP

550-556

CB&Q

557,558

SP&S

559

Between September and November 1954 the NP received 10 Vista-Dome Sleeping cars for the VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED. These like the earlier Vista-Dome coaches were assigned in pairs to the VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED. The interiors of these cars featured 4 Roomettes 4 Double Bedrooms and 4 Duplex Single Rooms beneath the Dome. The revenue space was for a maximum 16 passengers, not much when the cars they replaced had revenue space for 22. This gave the NP premier trains two Vista-Domes between Chicago and Portland and two between Chicago and Seattle. Rare were Dome Sleeping cars that were not observations, only the B&O would own three dome sleeping cars originally built for the C&O CHESSIE. In fact their was only a total of fifteen built and the one constructed for the TRAIN OF TOMORROW spent its entire revenue career operating in Parlor car service for the UP between Portland and Seattle. For further information on these Vista-Dome Sleeping cars see the NP chapter.

24-SEAT VISTA –DOME 4-ROOMETTES 4-DUPLEX SINGLE ROOMS 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company Plan: 9535 Lot: 9669-141 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED)

CB&Q

304,305

SP&S

306

NP

307-313

The next domes to arrive that the CB&Q owned were three 46-leg-rest seat Vista-Domes built as part of an order for sixteen for the GN EMPIRE BUILDER. They were delivered by Budd and entered service in May 1955. The GN assigned three to each consist of the EMPIRE BUILDER replacing three 48-seat Coaches in each consist. Unfortunately like the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR they were all coupled together. Two of the Great Domes as the GN referred to them were assigned to Chicago – Seattle service and the third was assigned to Chicago – Portland service operating via the SP&S between Spokane and Portland in each direction.. As with the NP domes these cars were flat-sided stainless steel cars from Budd painted in the Omaha Orange, Pullman Green scheme with Dulux Gold separation stripes and lettering of the Great Northern.

24-SEAT GREAT DOME 46-REVENUE SEAT LEG-REST COACHES Budd Company May 1955 (Built for and assigned to GREAT DOME EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1320 – 1331

SP&S

1332

CB&Q

1333-1335

In October 1955 Budd delivered six full-length dome Lounge cars to the GN for the Pullman passengers of the GREAT-DOME EMPIRE BUILDER. They were coupled behind the GREAT-DOME EMPIRE BUILDER 36-seat dining car in each train set. The upper level of these huge cars seated 75, 57 in single and double seats for viewing and an 18-seat lounge. The lounge centered beneath the dome seated 32 with a large Buffet. An electric dumbwaiter operated between the lower level buffet and the upper level lounge area to serve those passengers drinks from the lower level. These cars operated on six wheel trucks to spread their weight. The cars were smooth side stainless steel cars from Budd and as with the earlier short domes were fully painted and lettered for the EMPIRE BUILDER. After the full compliment of three short domes and one full dome was added to the EMPIRE BUILDERS they were advertised as the Incomparable GREAT-DOME EMPIRE BUILDER. The GREAT-DOME EMPIRE BUILDER was the only train prior to Amtrak and Auto-Train to operate with both short domes and a full-dome in each consist. For further details of these cars see the Great Northern chapter.

75-SEAT GREAT DOME BUFFET 32 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Budd Company October 1955 (Built for and assigned to GREAT DOME EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1390 GLACIER VIEW

1391 OCEAN VIEW

1392 MOUNTAIN VIEW

1393 LAKE VIEW

1394 PRAIRIE VIEW

CB&Q

1395 RIVER VIEW

The CB&Q stunned the railroad world of the day with the announcement in February 1955 they were ordering two new twelve car trains as replacements for the 1936 streamlined DENVER ZEPHYRS. These would be the last full service trains built for overnight service in the United States before the Amtrak Superliners. The new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS were actually fourteen car trains when they entered service October 28, 1956.
Unusual were the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR trains, as they not only carried first class sleeping car passengers but Parlor Car passengers as well. This was true of the 1936 versions of the DENVER ZEPHYR and the same was offered in the 1956 versions of the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS. Eastbound the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS offered Parlor car seating between Denver and Lincoln, while westbound parlor car space was sold between Chicago and Omaha. These new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS provided reserved Coach seating for 146, the Slumbercoaches provided space for another 80 coach passengers. The first class section of the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS provided parlor space for 16 passengers and sleeping car space for 88. The Colorado Springs section of the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS provided one coach with 50-seats, a 24-seat Vista-Dome Coffee Shop Crew Dormitory, one Slumbercoach with economy sleeping space for 40, and a 10-roomette 6-double bedroom sleeping car with first class sleeping space for 22. This gave the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS space for 330 passengers between Chicago and Omaha, while its eastbound counterpart provided space for 330 between Denver and Lincoln.
The two head end car in each consist were built by Budd for other CB&Q trains. Being stainless steel they looked as good as the new Budd built cars fresh from the factory that inaugurated the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS. The new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS not only operated between Chicago and Denver in each direction nightly, operating four through cars beyond Denver to Colorado Springs added to the rear of the D&RGW ROYAL GORGE between the two Colorado cities daily in each direction. Each consist of the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS were assigned three Vista-Domes, a 46 seat leg rest coach, a dormitory buffet lounge Car, and a parlor buffet Observation bringing up the markers. The two initial consists are listed below with all four Slumbercoaches listed even though two were not delivered until November 1956. The consists had not changed since their inaugural, the two new Slumbercoaches were the Denver cars. Through cars to and from Colorado Springs are shown in parenthesis.

1601 SILVER MAIL
Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car
906 ARGO
Baggage Car
4741 SILVER REIN
50-Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach
4736 SILVER BRAND
24-seat Vista-Dome 46-Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach
4901 SILVER SLUMBER
24-Single Room 8-Double Room Slumbercoach
4737 SILVER BIT
50-Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach
(Chicago – Colorado Springs)
254 SILVER KETTLE
24-Seat Vista-Dome Coffee Shop Lunch Counter Crew Dormitory Car
(Chicago – Colorado Springs)
4902 SILVER REST
24-Single Room 8 Double Room Slumbercoach
(Chicago – Colorado Springs)
493 SILVER RIDGE
10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Chicago – Colorado Springs)
201 SILVER CHEF
48-Seat Dining Car
453 SILVER SWAN
5-Compartment 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
486 SILVER PLATEAU
10-Roomette 6-Double bedroom Sleeping Car
487 SILVER HOLLOW
10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
236 SILVER VERANDA
24-Seat Vista-Dome 11-Seat Parlor 5-Seat Parlor Drawing Room Bar Lounge-Lounge Observation


1604 SILVER POUCH
Baggage 30” Railway Post Office Car
907 OLYMPUS
Baggage Car
4739 SILVER HALTER
50-Seat Leg-Rest Coach
4735 SILVER BUCKLE
24-Seat Vista-Dome 46-Seat Leg-Rest Coach
4900 SILVER SIESTA
24-Single Room 8-Double Room Slumbercoach
4738 SILVER BLANKET
50-Seat Leg-Rest Coach
(Colorado Springs – Chicago)
253 SILVER CUP
24-Seat Vista-Dome Coffee Shop Lunch Counter Crew Dormitory Car
(Colorado Springs – Chicago)
4903 SILVER REPOSE
24-Single Room 8 Double Room Slumbercoach
(Colorado Springs – Chicago)
485 SILVER TERRAIN
10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Colorado Springs – Chicago)
202 SILVER TUREEN
48-Seat Dining Car
454 SILVER PELICAN
5-Compartment 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
491 SILVER RAVINE
10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
488 SILVER BOULDER
10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
235 SILVER CHATEAU
24-Seat Vista-Dome 11-Seat Parlor 5 Seat Parlor Drawing Room Bar Lounge – Lounge Observation

The first Vista Dome in each of the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS was a 46-seat Leg-Rest Coach the same as they had built for the VISTA–DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYRS in 1948 by Budd. These would be the last fluted side stainless steel domes of this type built by Budd. They would construct one smooth sided painted Vista-Dome 46-Leg-Rest Seat Coach for the VISTA-DOME NORTH COAST LIMITED in December 1957 along with another of their Vista-Dome Sleeping Cars. These would be the final two short Domes delivered by Budd.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 46-SEAT LEG REST COACHES Budd Company August 1956 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS)

4735 SILVER BUCKLE

4736 SILVER BRAND

The second Vista-Dome in each new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR featured the standard 24 seats in the dome, forward of the dome on the main level of the cars was a 19-seat Coffee Shop made up of four tables for four and one table for three. Beneath the dome was a table for four and an 8 seat Lunch Counter. To the rear of the depressed section beneath the dome was the Kitchen, stairway to the dome level and seventeen Crew dormitory space, a steward’s bedroom completed the cars floor plan. These cars operated as through cars to Colorado Springs.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 19 SEAT COFFEE SHOP 8 SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 18-CREW DORMITORY CARS Budd Company October 1956 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS)

253 SILVER CUP

254 SILVER KETTLE

The last car in each VISTA–DOME DENVER ZEPHYR was a Vista-Dome blunt end observation for first class passengers only. These cars featured the standard 24-seats in the Vista-Dome with an 11-seat Parlor section on the main level forward of the dome along with a 5-seat Parlor drawing room. Beneath the Dome was the “Colorado Room” a 12 seat Cocktail Lounge with Bar. The rear of the cars main level was occupied by a 13-seat lounge one at a desk. This completed the Vista-Dome deliveries to the CB&Q.

24-SEAT VISTA-DOME 11-SEAT PARLOR 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 12-SEAT LOUNGE 13 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company September 1956 (Built for and assigned to VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS)

235 SILVER CHATEAU

236 SILVER VERANDA

The CB&Q owned one Full Length Budd built dome and thirty-six short domes including the two pattern domes they constructed from flattop coaches in their own Aurora shops. Only the Union Pacific and Burlington Northern would own more before Amtrak. The Union Pacific owned forty-four and Burlington Northern owned seventy-three.
All CB&Q domes passed into Burlington Northern ownership following the March 1970 merger of the CB&Q-GN-NP-SP&S-FW&D-C&S.
For further details of the history of the CB&Q domes see the Burlington Northern chapter.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

A little something to supplement Al's continuing "Theme for the Day" on the CB&Q .....

CB&Q #4709 Silver Castle as BN #3480 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


CB&Q #4709 Silver Castle as BN #3480 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)



"Slim pickins" on the CB&Q for me - so I'm gonna change the "Theme!!!"

My guess is Lars is one tired sailor - either that, or his 1st Mate has him "hoppin'"[swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Check these out for something a bit different from CN . . .

CN Skyview Car, circa: 1965-69)(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)



CN 1901 "Malpeque" (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Enjoy![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Tom this fits with your CN pictures above and the remodeling CN did to these cars was really excellent.. I was lucky enough to ride these cars when under Milwaukee Ownership as well as CN ownership. I rode on the CN OCEAN in one of these cars, maybe not Budd but it sure was nice. I would have to give these cars honorary dome status.

CANADIAN
NATIONAL Streamlined Observcations
By Al

The first two lightweight streamlined Observations purchased were the only new ones owned by the CNR, they were also the only two streamlined Observations with open platforms purchased by a North American Railroad for other than business car use. These two Observations 1098 BURRARD and 1099 BEDFORD were named for two bodies of water on opposite coasts of Canada's mainland. BEDFORD was named for the basin off Halifax Harbor along Canada's east coast where ships were turned to return to the open ocean.
BURRARD was named for an inlet off Vancouver Harbor on the west coast of Canada.
Each of these cars contained Car attendants quarters seven Compartments a Kitchen Buffet and expandable Lounge Dining area and the Open Platform Observation.
The cars were used for Bankers Specials and Charter work mainly. The only regular scheduled assignment for these cars was as the Executive Club cars in the AFTERNOON RAPIDOS for a period of time between Toronto and Montreal.
Both cars were transferred to VIA Rail Canada and later sold to private interests in the United States.

7 COMPARTMENTS KITCHEN-BUFFET 8 SEAT DINING LOUNGE OPEN PLATFORM OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard March 1954 Plan: 4190 Lot: 6935 (Built for and assigned to Special services)

1098 BURRARD

1099 BEDFORD

Canadian National Shops rebuilt and streamlined a number of heavyweight 4 Double Bedroom Buffet Lounge Cars into Buffet 18 seat Cocktail Lounge 17 seat Lounge 4 Seat Solarium Observations. Even thought these cars retained the Solarium area after rebuilding they were thoroughly modern on the inside and welded sides replaced the former riveted sides. All new windows were installed and the roofs were streamlined. Actually the streamlined roofs just covered up the old clerestory roofs so these cars were always higher then other streamlined cars in trains. The CN usually positioned these cars behind the dining car and were for the exclusive use of first class passengers in the sleeping cars. These cars were assigned to the OCEAN, SCOTIAN, CHALEUR, PANORAMA and SUPER CONTINENTAL. In the latter two trains they operated between Montreal and Edmonton or Toronto and Edmonton. The cars were exchanged westbound at Edmonton with the former Milwaukee Road full-length domes.
The CN rebuilt all of these cars between 1963 and 1964.

BUFFET 18 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE 17 SEAT LOUNGE 4 SEAT SOLARIUM OBSERVATIONS (Blunt) Canadian Car & Foundry 1920 Rebuilt and streamlined by Canadian National Shops 1963-64 (Assigned to all long distance services as First Class Lounge Cars)

2300 MATINEE

2301 JOIE DE VIVRE

2302 AVANT GARDE

2303 SOIREE

2304 BON VIVANT

2305 CORDIAL

2306 BON VOYAGE

2307 RENDEZ-VOUS

2308 DE BONNAIRE

2309 ENTENTE

2310 AU COURANT

2311 BON VOYAGE

2312 DIPLOMATE

2313 BON HEUR

2314 ELAN

2315 ELEGANCE

2316 BEAUSEJOUR

2317 CANAVAL

2318 FETE

In 1964 the Canadian National purchased eight lightweight streamlined Observations from U.S. railroads used. Two of these came form the Reading railroad and were part of the complete five car Reading CRUSADER. This five-car train with a round Observation at each end so the train would not have to be turned at terminals had been in service since 1937. The Canadian National completely refurbished all five-car interiors and even retrucked the cars. The five-car train with an Observation at each end was assigned to Montreal-Quebec City service and assigned the name CHAMPLAIN. After several years the five car train was broken up and cars from the CHAMPLAIN could be found operating in trains from one end of the Quebec-Windsor corridor to the other. They were easily recognizable with their Budd Stainless steel finish and Black Window band with chrome CN insignia by the doors. All five of the former CRUSADER cars were retired at the time VIA Rail Canada assumed responsibility for Canada's Passenger train services. Today one of the Observations is operated in the SPIRIT OF WASHINGTON Dinner train.

59 REVENUE SEAT COACH OBSERVATION (Round) Budd Company November 1937 Rebuilt and refurbished by CN shops 1964 (Rebuilt for operation in the CHAMPLAIN)

302 originally Reading 1

64 REVENUE SEAT COACH 4 SEAT SNACK BAR OBSERVATION (Round) Budd Company November 1937 Rebuilt and refurbished by CN shops 1964 (Rebuilt and refurbished for assignment to CHAMPLAIN)

304 originally Reading 5

The remaining six used Observations came from the Milwaukee Road and were the former 8 Double Bedroom Skytop Lounge Observations purchased originally for service in the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHAS.
The Milwaukee Road originally named these cars for CREEKS. Numbering them and naming them as follows. 12 ALDER CREEK, 14 ARROW CREEK, 15 COFFEE CREEK, 16 GOLD CREEK, 17 MARBLE CREEK, and 18 SPANISH CREEK. After purchase refurbishing and repainting was completed the cars were renumbered and renamed
1900 MAHONE
1901 MALPEQUE
1902 FUNDY
1903 TRINITY
1904 BADDECK
1905 GASPE
respectively. Initially the CN assigned two each to the OCEAN, SCOTIAN and CHALEUR. Due to the amount of switching the SCOTIAN underwent daily these two were transferred out west for operating between Edmonton and Prince Rupert on a train the locals nicknamed the RUPERT ROCKET but whose actual name was the SKEENA.

8 DOUBLE BEDROOM 20 SEAT SKYTOP LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Round Glass) Pullman Standard January 1949 Plan: 4138 Lot: 6775 (Purchased for assignment to Maritime trains)

1900 MAHONE originally CMSTP&P 12 ALDER CREEK

1901 MALPEQUE originally CMSTP&P 14 ARROW CREEK

1902 FUNDY originally CMSTP&P 15 COFFEE CREEK

1903 TRINITY originally CMSTP&P 16 GOLD CREEK

1904 BADDECK originally CMSTP&P 17 MARBLE CREEK

1905 GASPE originally CMSTP&P 18 SPANISH CREEK

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Hello Al . . .

Nice work, as always. Haven't got anything to add right now. Been preparing some Pix for tomorrow's Sunday Photo Posting Day! at the bar . . .

See ya!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Check this CN map out . . . .



Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #45

Here’s another Passener RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Erie Railroad

Headquarters: Cleveland, OH

Mileage in 1950: 2,341

Locomotives in 1960:

Diesel: 695

Rolling stock in 1960:

Freight cars: 20,372
Passenger cars: 519

Principal routes in 1950:

Jersey City-Paterson, NJ-Middletown-Hornell, NY-Youngstown, OH-Chicago (Hammond-Chicago via rights on the Chicago & Western Indiana)
Marion-Dayton-Cincinnati, OH (Dayton-Cincinnati via rights on the B&0)
Hamilton, OH-Indianapolis, IN (rights on the B&O)
Leavittsburg-Cleveland, OH
Pymatuning, PA-Leavittsburg, OH
Hornell-Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY
Salamanca-Dunkirk, NY
Corning (Painted Post)-Attica, NY
Avon-Rochester, NY
River Junction-Cuba Junction, NY
Carrolton, NY-Eleanora Jct., NY (Brockway-Eleanora Jct. via B&O rights)
Corning, NY-Newberry, Jct., PA
Lanesboro-Wilkes Barre & Scranton, PA
Lackawaxen-Avoca, PA
Newburgh Jct.-Campbell Hall-Graham, NY
Maybrook-Pine Island, NY
Croxton (Jersey City)-Nyack, NY
Piermont-Suffern, NY
NY&NJ Jct.,-Ridgewood Jct.
Paterson (Newark Jct.)-Newark, NJ
Croxton-Midvale, NJ

Passenger trains of note:

Erie Limited (Jersey City-Chicago & Buffalo)
Lake Cities (Jersey City-Cleveland & Buffalo; later extended to Chicago)
Pacific Express (Jersey City-Chicago)
Atlantic Express (Chicago-Jersey City)
Midlander (Jersey City-Chicago)
Southern Tier Express (Buffalo-Hornell-Jersey City)
Mountain Express (Jersey City-Hornell)
Tuxedo (Jersey City-Port Jervis)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom Just read your Erie Post thought this might fit in. The Erie was not a big owner of streamlined equipment.

ERIE Streamlined Sleeping Cars
By Al

The Erie owned a total of thirteen lightweight streamlined sleeping cars all built by Pullman Standard. There were three different types of sleeping cars purchased by the Erie. First to arrive on the Erie were four AMERICAN series 6 Section 6 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard. These were part of a large order for these cars that went to Union Pacific, Chicago & North Western, Southern Pacific, Santa Fe, Rock Island, Missouri Pacific and Illinois Central. The four cars received in June 1942 were assigned to the ERIE LIMITED between New York and Chicago.

6 SECTION 6 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard June 1942 Plan: 4099 Lot: 6669 (Built for and assigned to ERIE LIMITED & LAKE CITIES)

AMERICAN LIBERTY

AMERICAN LIFE

AMERICAN UNITY

AMERICAN WAY

It would be 1949 before additional lightweight streamlined sleeping cars would join the Erie. In May-June 1949 Pullman Standard delivered seven 10-6 sleeping cars named for persons who had influenced the Erie. These cars were assigned to the ERIE LIMITED, LAKE CITIES and ATLANTIC EXPRESS.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard May - June 1949 Plan: 4129A Lot: 6797 (Built for and assigned to ERIE LIMITED, LAKE CITIES and ATLANTIC EXPRESS)

BENJAMIN LODER

CHARLES MINOT

DANIEL CRAIG McCALLUM

ELEAZAR LORD

JAMES GORE KING

MARVIN KENT

WILLIAM REYNOLDS

After the delivery of the 10-6 sleeping cars the sleeping car assignments on the Erie were as follows.

ERIE LIMITED #1

New York - Chicago
10-6

Salamanca - Chicago
6-6-4

Akron - Chicago
10-6

ERIE LIMITED #2

Chicago - New York
10-6

Chicago - Salamanca
6-6-4

LAKE CITIES #5

New York - Chicago
10-6

New York - Cleveland 6-6-4

LAKE CITIES # 6

Chicago - New York
10-6

Cleveland - New York
6-6-4

ATLANTIC EXPRESS #8

Chicago - Akron
10-6

The Erie purchased two 10-5 Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard that were delivered in June 1954 that were nearly identical to the 10-5 sleeping cars purchased by the Canadian National about the same time. The two Erie 10-5 Sleeping cars were assigned to service between Chicago and Youngstown overnight in each direction. The eastbound car traveled in the ATLANTIC EXPRESS and the westbound car traveled in the ERIE LIMITED.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard June 1954 Plan: 4186B Lot: 6946 (Built for and assigned to Chicago - Youngstown service in ERIE LIMITED and ATLANTIC EXPRESS)

PRIDE OF YOUNGSTOWN

SPIRIT OF YOUNGSTOWN

The Erie merged with the Delaware Lackawanna and Western in October 1960 creating the Erie - Lackawanna.

TTFN Al

[LoveDomes]

Good Morning Tom and Al -

Just dropped off a note over at the bar and before I sign off the net, thought I'd see what's happening over here.

The Erie now there's a name from the past! Haven't got time right now to make a contribution (see my post at the bar) but will try either later on this day or tomorrow. Been rather "busy" if you know what I mean.

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Great to see ya back, Lars! After reading your Post over at the bar, I'm surprised you found the time to get online. Appreciate it though . . . [tup][tup]

Thanx, Al for the add-on to the "Theme!"[tup][tup]

Here's a rather interesting old map of the Erie to peruse . . . .

Erie RR map (1855) (public domain)


Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Stealing a page from Lars - who is quite busy these days! - here's some Erie passenger train info:

Erie passenger trains with "names" of note!

Atlantic Express
Erie Limited
Lake Cities
Mountain Express
Pacific Express
Southern Tier Express


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom. Didn't know hat todays theme was so thought I would throw this in.

GREAT
NORTHERN
Streamlined Observations
By Al

The Great Northern Railway owned a total of twenty-two streamlined Observations, six from Pullman Standard, nine from American Car & Foundry and seven were rebuilt from heavyweight cars in GN shops.
In anticipation of the new lightweight streamlined EMPIRE BUILDERS about to make their debut in February 1947 the GN shops semi-streamlined an old heavyweight car 990 a 56 revenue seat Coach and remodeled the interior for a connecting service with the EMPIRE BUILDER between Great Falls and Havre, Montana. This car 1059 ROBERT S. FORD would be considered a blunt observation with diaphragm. Above the diaphragm was a red mars light. The car was painted in Empire Builder colors and even carried the EMPIRE BUILDER name in its letter board centered above the windows. The interior of the 1059 ROBERT S. FORD was fitted with a 12 seat Dinette and 14 seat Parlor section. The car operated for several years as the EMPIRE BUILDER connection and it is unknown what became of the 1059 ROBERT S. FORD.
The first lightweight streamlined Observations delivered to the GN were the five RIVER series for assignment to the streamlined EMPIRE BUILDERS of 1947. These were Pullman Standard built, as were all cars in the 1947 EMPIRE BUILDERS. Each RIVER series car featured 2 Double Bedrooms 1 Drawing Room Buffet 14 seat Cocktail Lounge and 16-seat lounge Observation. These Swallow-tailed Observations were both numbered and named 1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER, 1191 MISSOURI RIVER, 1192 FLATHEAD RIVER, 1193 KOOTENAI RIVER and the CB&Q owned 1194 MARIAS RIVER.
They entered EMPIRE BUILDER service beginning February 23, 1947 providing daily service between Chicago and Seattle by way of the Twin Cities. The EMPIRE BUILDER also served Portland with through cars to and from Chicago operated by the SP&S between Spokane and Portland. The RIVER series Observations were always assigned as through cars to Seattle.
On June 3, 1951 the RIVER series Observations along with the original 1947 EMPIRE BUILDER cars became the new WESTERN STAR a secondary train between Chicago and Seattle-Portland. On that same date new 15 cars EMPIRE BUILDER replaced the 12 car trains transferred to the WESTERN STAR. Due to the slower schedule of the WESTERN STAR a sixth consist was necessary to maintain daily service. With that in mind the GN received a sixth RIVER series Observation from Pullman Standard in December 1950 1197 PRIEST RIVER.
The six RIVER series Observations were rebuilt to COULEE series Observations between April and August 1955 with 4 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment and six Roomettes. These became the only lightweight streamlined Observations to ever operate with Roomettes in revenue service. The COULEE series cars were then transferred to the EMPIRE BUILDERS and the MOUNTAIN series Observations from the 1951 EMPIRE BUILDERS were transferred to the WESTERN STAR.
Between December 1967 and February 1968 all five of the Great Northern owned COULEE series Observations were rebuilt to straight 68 revenue seat coaches. The CB&Q COULEE series car was sold privately in 1968.

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 14 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE 16 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-Tailed) Pullman Standard February 1947 Plan: 4109 Lot 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

(CB&Q)

1194 MARIAS RIVER

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 14 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE 16 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow-Tailed) Pullman Standard December 1950 Plan: 4109A Lot: 6878 (Built for and assigned to WESTERN STAR)

1197 PRIEST RIVER

4 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 6 ROOMETTES 16 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-tailed) rebuilt by Pullman for the GN from RIVER series Observations as follows)

APRIL 1955

1190 CHOUTEAU COULEE originally GN 1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

MAY 1955

1193 ROCKY COULEE originally GN 1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

JUNE 1955

1191 TWELVE MILE COULEE originally GN 1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1197 GRAND COULEE originally GN 1197 PRIEST RIVER

JULY 1955

1194 TRAIL COULEE originally CB&Q 1194 MARIAS RIVER

AUGUST 1955

1192 CORRAL COULEE originally GN 1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

The Great Northern Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER 15 car train sets entered service June 3, 1951. The new EMPIRE BUILDERS featured a new MOUNTAIN series Observation built by American Car & Foundry. The forward part of these cars was occupied by a car attendants Roomette and two other Roomettes, one of these for the Pullman Conductor the other for the traveling Passenger Service Representative. After the Roomettes was a Buffet and a spacious 36 seat Lounge Observation with large picture windows around the lounge area. These cars were assigned MOUNTAIN suffix names and the GN received six of these cars. Only five were necessary for daily EMPIRE BUILDER service but the sixth was rotated in and out at St. Paul as the EMPIRE BUILDER traveled eastbound after being supplied for a round trip from St. Paul to St. Paul. One consist of the 1951 EMPIRE BUILDER was transferred to CB&Q ownership in September 1953 and the 1291 ST. NICHOLAS MOUNTAIN became the Observation transferred to the CB&Q. In August 1955 the MOUNTAIN series Observations were transferred to the WESTERN STAR and the COULEE series were assigned to the EMPIRE BUILDERS. The reason for the change was the EMPIRE BUILDER carried new DOMES and the Lounge space in the MOUNTAIN series wasn't needed as the full-length Great dome for Pullman passengers had more than ample lounge space and a larger Buffet. When the FAST MAIL and WESTERN STAR were combined the MOUNTAIN series Observations became a mid-train car without a diaphragm fitted for the trailing cars that were all storage mail cars anyway. In the final year of operation under the GN before the BN merger the MOUNTAIN series Observations not only operated in the FAST MAIL/WESTERN STAR but also ran in place of PORT series Observations in the INTERNATIONALS.

3 CREW ROOMETTE BUFFET 36 SEAT PICTURE WINDOW LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-Tailed) American Car & Foundry March 1951 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR in 1955)

GN

1290 APPEKUNNY MOUNTAIN

CB&Q

1291 ST. NICHOLAS MOUNTAIN

GN

1292 GOING-TO-THE-SUN MOUNTAIN

1293 CATHEDRAL MOUNTAIN

1294 TREMPALEAU MOUNTAIN

1295 LITTLE CHIEF MOUNTAIN

The three remaining new Observations purchased by the Great Northern were all from American Car & Foundry.
Two of these Observations were delivered as part of five car trains for service between Seattle and Vancouver, B.C. three times daily. This service was known as the INTERNATIONALS and the streamliners entered service June 18, 1950. The new INTERNATIONAL each had a Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car, two 60 revenue seat Coaches, a 28 revenue seat Coach 24 seat Dining Car, and the last car was a PORT series Observation. The interior of the two PORT series Observations 1195 PORT OF SEATTLE and 1196 PORT OF VANCOUVER featured a Customs Office Buffet Parlor Bedroom 29 seat Parlor 4 seat Lounge Observation. The reason for the customs office was the trains crossed the border at Blaine - White Rock in each direction. Northbound the customs agents boarded the trains at Mt. Vernon, Washington and traveled with the train to Vancouver. Southbound they boarded the trains in Vancouver and disembarked at Mt. Vernon.

CUSTOMS OFFICE BUFFET PARLOR BEDROOM 29 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 4 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-tailed) American Car & Foundry May 1950 (Built for and assigned to INTERNATIONALS)

1195 PORT OF SEATTLE

1196 PORT OF VANCOUVER

The third streamlined train to enter service in 1950 was the RED RIVER between Grand Forks and St. Paul round trip daily. This five car streamlined train comprised of a Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car, three 60 revenue seat Coaches, and the Observation 1147 RED RIVER. The interior of the 1147 RED RIVER featured 12 seat Dinette, 9 seat Coffee Shop Lunch Counter 14 seat Parlor and 2 seat Lounge Observation. In July 1968 1147 RED RIVER was rebuilt to a straight 68 revenue seat Coach retaining the number 1147 but the name Red RIVER was deleted at that time.

12 SEAT DINETTE 9 SEAT COFFEE SHOP LUNCH COUNTER KITCHEN 14 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 2 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Swallow-tailed) American Car & Foundry May 1950 (Built for and assigned to RED RIVER)

1147 RED RIVER

In April 1952 GN shops turned out two streamlined Observations for service bringing up the markers of the BADGER and GOPHER trains between the Twin Cities (St. Paul-Minneapolis) and Twin Ports (Duluth-Superior). These two Observations were rebuilt from heavyweight coaches and were among the first cars to have thermo-pane@ glass installed. The cars were originally built by Pullman as heavyweight Parlor cars and were named CORDELIA and NATALIE. Both were built in August 1926. The GN purchased the pair in 1942 for conversion to coaches. Not only did the GN shops equip the cars with new Thermo-pane@ windows during the rebuilding to streamline Observations but also installed new welded sides and observation end. New steel Dutch-doors were installed at the vestibule end complete with folding traps for the steps. A new smooth contour streamlined roof was installed as well. The Blunt Observation ends of the cars featured a window on either side of the center door with a window as well. Below the two windows on the rear were train name signs one displaying the name BADGER the other the name GOPHER. The interior of the two cars 1083 TWIN CITIES and 1084 TWIN PORTS featured a 10 seat Dinette Buffet 26 seat Parlor Lounge Observation. A few years after the trains entered service the two Observations had a diaphragm installed at the Observation end. Later the 1083 TWIN CITIES was rebuilt to Track Measuring car B-9. The 1084 TWIN PORTS was retired.

10 SEAT DINETTE BUFFET 26 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATIONS (Blunt) GN SHOPS rebuilt April 1952 (Rebuilt and streamlined for BADGER and GOPHER)

1083 TWIN CITIES

1084 TWIN PORTS

A third observation identical to the 1083 TWIN CITIES and TWIN PORTS was rebuilt and streamlined by GN shops in October 1954. This time a 1929 built Pullman Solarium Observation originally built for the EMPIRE BUILDER named DAVID C. SHEPARD was selected for rebuilding. This car was numbered 1085 and did not carry a name. The 1085 was assigned to the GN Seattle - Portland pool trains and when the GN dropped Parlor service on this route the car remained in Seattle being assigned to the INTERNATIONALS when one of their PORT series cars required more than just routine maintenance. The 1085 was rebuilt later to GN Business car B-2 DESCHUTES RIVER.

10 SEAT DINETTE BUFFET 26 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATION Rebuilt and Streamlined by GN shops from heavyweight car)

1085

The final two observations rebuilt and streamlined by GN shops were 1060 and 1061. These were rebuilt and streamlined for the CASCADIANS between Seattle and Spokane. These were rebuilt from heavyweight dining cars 1030 OREGON and 1031 WISCONSIN in 1954. There only claim to being Observations was the one end of these cars above the diaphragm had a red mars light installed and there were train sign boards mounted on the rear on either side of the diaphragm for the signs CASCADIAN. The interiors were extensively rebuilt and modernized having a kitchen 16 seat Café and 18 reserved coach seats. These seats were generally held for passengers traveling the entire distance between Seattle and Spokane. And sometimes these seats accommodated all of the passengers traveling that day especially in the final years of the CASCADIANS. In later years the cars were assigned to the DAKOTANS with the Dinette area increased to 20 seats and the Coach section seating increased to 24.

KITCHEN 16 SEAT DINETTE CAFÉ 18 RESERVED SEAT COACH OBSERVATIONS Rebuilt by GN shops from heavyweight Dining Cars 1954)

1060, 1061


TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Good Morning Al - YOU set the "themes" on this Thread!

So, here's my contribution - an ENCORE! . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Great Northern(GN)

Headquarters: St. Paul, MN

Mileage:

1950: 8,220

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 642

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 39,055
Passenger cars: 579

Principal routes in 1950:

St. Paul, MN-Seattle, WA via Willmar, MN and New Rockford, ND
Minneapolis-Minot, ND via St. Cloud, MN, Fargo and Grand Forks, ND
Superior, WI & Duluth, MN-Grand Forks via Crookston, MN
Minneapolis & St. Paul-Duluth & Superior via Brook Park, MN
Barnesville, MN-Winnipeg, MB via Ada and Crookston, MN
Portland, OR-Vancouver, BC via Seattle, WA (trackage rights on NP Portland-Seattle)
Willmar-Sioux Falls, SD & Sioux City, IA
Havre-Great Falls-Helena-Butte, MT
Shelby-Great Falls-Billings, MT
Bend, OR-Bieber, CA via Klamath Falls, OR

Passenger trains of note:

Badger (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth)
Cascadian (Seattle-Spokane, WA)
Dakotan (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Williston, ND)
Empire Builder (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Gopher (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Superior-Duluth)
International (Seattle-Vancouver, BC)
Oriental Limited (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Red River (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Grand Forks, ND)
Western Star (Chicago-Seattle & Portland, operated jointly with CB&Q and SP&S)
Winnipeg Limited (St. Paul-Minneapolis-Winnipeg


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

A little something previously Posted on this Thread, but relevant to the "Theme for the Day!" established by Al . . .

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #8

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

Great Northern(GN)

Great Way To CALIFORNIA via the Pacific Northwest

Chicago-Minneapolis-St. Paul-Spokane-Seattle & Portland-San Francisco-Los Angeles

TOWERING PEAKS in Glacier National Park in the Montana Rockies.

LOFTY MT. RAINIER looks over Seattle and Tacoma.

GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE is only one of the fascinating sights awaiting travelers in San Francisco.

Rail Fare to San Francisco is no more on Great Northern’s incomparable Great Dome EMPIRE BUILDER

To delight travel-experienced patrons who are planning a fall trip to California, suggest that they route themselves via the Pacific Northwest.

Great Northern’s EMPIRE BUILDER, now with Great Domes for both coach and Pullman passengers, takes the northern route across the nation - - more than two thousand miles of truly superb scenery.

Your patrons will thank you for sending them on a route where they can see the Mississippi River Palisades, Glacier National Park, the Rocky Mountains of Montana and Idaho. the Cascades of Washington and Oregon.

Connections with fine trains to and from California in Seattle or Portland. Rail fare from Chicago to San Francisco is no more via Great Northern.

For information:
P. G. Holmes
Passenger Traffic Manager
Great Northern Railway
St. Paul 1, Minnesota


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Continuing the GN theme for the day.

Great
Northern Dome Cars
(GN)
by Al

The Great Northern was the last of the northern transcontinental railways to add domes to their premier train between Chicago and Seattle-Portland. The first of the northwest roads to add domes to their premier train was the Milwaukee Road who added Super Domes to the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA beginning in December 1952. The next of the northwest trains to add domes was the NP NORTH COAST LIMITED with a pair of dome coaches added to each consist in August 1954 and a pair of dome sleeping cars added in November 1954 between Chicago and Pasco. The UP would have three Domes operating in each CITY OF PORTLAND train set by May 1955. One each of Astra-Dome Coach, Astra-Dome Dining Car and Astra-Dome Lounge Observation in each train set between Chicago and Portland. Even the CP CANADIAN was operating domes a month before the GN received the first of their domes in May 1955.
The GN EMPIRE BUILDER would be the first and only train in the US prior to Auto-Train to operate both short domes and a full-length dome in the same consist. When the GN went with domes they spared no expense beginning in May 1955 when three short dome leg rest coaches were added to each of the EMPIRE BUILDERS five consists. Two of the Great Dome coaches were through Chicago – Seattle cars while the third was a Chicago – Portland car operating between Spokane and Portland over the SP&S who would own one of the Great Dome coaches built for the EMPIRE BUILDER by Budd. The CB&Q who operated the EMPIRE BUILDER between Chicago and St. Paul owned three of these Budd built Great domes.
These Coach Domes built for the EMPIRE BUILDER were flat sided cars from Budd as were those built the year before for the NP NORTH COAST LIMITED. The cars were painted in the Omaha Orange, Pullman Green paint scheme with dulux gold separation stripes and lettering. They were an immediate hit with the traveling public. These were the standard 46 leg-rest seat cars with 24 non-revenue seats in the domes built by Budd for overnight train service.
In October 1955 the EMPIRE BUILDER received its full-length dome lounge cars for the exclusive use of the trains Pullman passengers. The VIEW series cars seated 75 on the dome level (25 seat pairs 7 single seats and 18 lounge seats). Beneath the dome was a 32-seat lounge with a bar open to Pullman passengers only. The VIEW series car was train-lined directly behind the 36-seat Dining car ahead of the trailing sleeping cars. The Great Dome Lounge cars operated between Chicago and Seattle. The GN purchased six VIEW series cars one was owned by the CB&Q for EMPIRE BUILDER service. Each eastbound EMPIRE BUILDER had a replenished 36-seat dining car; G-N Ranch car and VIEW series Great Dome replace the arriving cars from Seattle in St. Paul before continuing the trip to Chicago. The EMPIRE BUILDER Great Dome Lounge, G-N Ranch Car and Diner operated a round trip from St. Paul – Chicago – Seattle – St. Paul before being changed out. Additional bar supplies were available enroute but commissary stores for the diner and Ranch car were rarely added anywhere but Seattle.
In the late 1960’s when traffic slowed on the EMPIRE BUILDER the GN assigned one Great Dome coach to each WESTERN STAR consist between St. Paul and Seattle. Since the cars of the WESTERN STAR operated overnight between Chicago and St. Paul combined with the CB&Q BLACKHAWK and NP MAINSTREETER it was not necessary to operate the domes over this part of the trip. The GN WESTERN STAR, NP MAINSTREETER, and CB&Q BLACKHAWK operated combined eastbound and westbound overnight between St. Paul and Chicago.

24-SEAT GREAT DOME 46-SEAT LEG-REST COACHES Budd Company May 1955 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1320-1331

SP&S

1332

CB&Q

1333-1335

VIEW SERIES 75 SEAT FULL DOME LOUNGE CARS WITH BAR AND 32 SEAT LOUNGE BENEATH DOME Budd October 1955 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1390 GLACIER VIEW

1391 OCEAN VIEW

1392 MOUNTAIN VIEW

1393 LAKE VIEW

1394 PRAIRIE VIEW

CB&Q

1395 RIVER VIEW

All GN domes were transferred to BN ownership in the 1970 merger.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Continuing with the "Theme for the Day!" . . . .

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #9

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check these combined-advertisements out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

Great Northern(GN)

GREAT NORTHERN Empire Builder-Western Star-Newest and Best to the Pacific Northwest

DIESEL AND ELECTRIC PASSENGER LOCOMOTIVES BETWEEN CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEPOLIS AND SEATTLE-PORTLAND.

THE EMPIRE BUILDER
CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEAPOLIS, SPOKANE, SEATTLE AND PORLAND with Direct Connections to and from TACOMA, BRITISH COLUMBIA AND CALIFORNIA

NO EXTRA FARE. ALL ACCOMMODATIONS RESERVED.

MODERN STREAMLINED EQUIPMENT.

Coach.
Great Dome Reclining Seat Coaches.
Ranch-Lounge.
Diner.
Sleepers.

Great Dome Luxurious Full Length Dome Lounge with colorful beverage lounge in lower section.

GREAT NORTHERN Direct Route to Glacier National Park in Montana Rockies.

THE WESTERN STAR
CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEAPOLIS, GREAT FALLS, GLACIER PARK, SPOKANE, SEATTLE AND PORTLAND via St. Cloud with Direct Connections to and from TACOMA, BRITISH COLUMBIA AND CALIFORNIA and Direct Connections at GREAT FALLS and from HELENA AND BUTTE

MODERN STREAMLINED EQUIPMENT.

Reclining Seat Coach.
Day-Nite Reclining Seat Coaches.
Dining Car.
Coffee Shop Car.
Pullman Sleeping Cars.

Observation-Lounge.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom - just stopped by on the way home from the bar.

Looks like Al has begun another "theme," so I better get to my "traditional post" before you "steal" it from me![swg

Name trains of the Great Northern (GN)

QUOTE: Badger
Cascadean
Empire Builder
Fast Mail
Gopher
Oriental Limited
Pacific Coast Express
Red River
Western Star
Winnipeg Limited

As always, these are the most popular of the "name trains" and are not meant to be all inclusive![tup]

I dropped off my "report" on things at home over at the bar . . . .hope to be back either later today, or certainly tomorrow.

Until the next time!

Lars

[passengerfan]

GREAT
NORTHERN Streamlined Sleeping Cars
By Al

The Great Northern Railway received its first streamlined sleeping cars beginning in December 1946 for America's first new full service streamliner following WW II the EMPIRE BUILDER.
Each of the five new EMPIRE BUILDER streamliners was twelve cars in length between Chicago and Spokane. The sleeping car section of the new EMPIRE BUILDERS comprised five cars, two PASS series 4 Section 8 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. Two GLACIER series 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars and One RIVER series 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 20 seat Lounge Observation. The new EMPIRE BUILDER was inaugurated February 23,1947 between Chicago and the Pacific Northwest. The inaugural train departing from St. Paul consisted of the following cars and power. The train had departed from Chicago earlier that day behind Burlington power.

500 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

501 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1100 30' Railway Post Office Baggage Car

1110 60 Revenue Seat Coach

1120 48 revenue Seat Leg rest Coach

1121 48 revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1122 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach
(Chicago - Portland)

1140 WATERTON LAKE 10 Seat lounge 10 Seat Lunch Counter 19 Crew Dormitory Car

1150 LAKE SUPERIOR 36 Seat Dining Car

1160 GUNSIGHT PASS 4 Section 8 Duplex roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1170 BLACKFOOT GLACIER 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1171 AHERN GLACIER 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1161 PTARMIGAN PASS 4 Section 8 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Chicago - Portland)

1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 16 Seat Lounge 11 Seat Lounge Observation

The above cars marked as (Chicago - Portland cars were forwarded to and from Portland by the SP&S Railway from Spokane. All other cars were Chicago - Seattle cars.

4 SECTION 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEEPING CARS Pullman Standard December 1946 - January 1947 Plan: 4107 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1160 GUNSIGHT PASS

1161 PTARMIGAN PASS

1162 DAWSON PASS

1163 PIEGAN PASS

1164 LOGAN PASS

1165 TRIPLE DIVIDE PASS

1166 LINCOLN PASS

1169 SWIFT CURRENT PASS

CB&Q

1167 CUT BANK PASS

1168 RED GAP PASS

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard January - February 1947 Plan: 4108 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1170 BLACKFOOT GLACIER

1171 AHERN GLACIER

1172 GRINNELL GLACIER

1173 HANGING GLACIER

1174 MANY GLACIER

1175 OBERLIN GLACIER

1176 SEXTON GLACIER

1177 HARRISON GLACIER

CB&Q

1178 SPERRY GLACIER

1179 SIYEH GLACIER

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE 11 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard January - February 1947 Plan: 4109 Lot: 6751 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

CB&Q

1194 MARIAS RIVER

In January 1950 two additional PASS series sleeping cars were delivered for EMPIRE BUILDER service. One of these cars was owned by the GN the other was owned by SP&S.

4 SECTION 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard January 1950 Plan: 4107 Lot 6883 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

GN

1180 STEVENS PASS

4 SECTION 8 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CAR Pullman Standard January 1950 Plan: 4107 Lot: 6828 (Built for and assigned to EMPIRE BUILDER transferred to WESTERN STAR 1951)

SP&S

700 INDIAN PASS

The above two cars were actually the first of eleven new lightweight stream-lined cars built in anticipation of all new 15 Car EMPIRE BUILDERS to be inaugurated June 3, 1951. These eleven new sleeping cars were for the older EMPIRE BUILDERS to create a sixth consist. This would permit the six sets of the first streamlined EMPIRE BUILDERS to become the new WESTERN STAR another Chicago - Pacific Northwest Streamliner operating on a slower schedule to replace the heavyweight ORIENTAL LIMITED. Pullman Standard delivered eight GLACIER series sleeping cars in December 1950. The new WESTERN STAR trains would leave the mainline westbound at Havre, Montana and run southwest to Great Falls Montana. The train would then depart Great Falls in a northerly direction and rejoin the mainline at Shelby Montana. The GN would operate three of the new GLACIER series cars as dedicated St. Paul - Great Falls Sleeping cars 1181 KINTLA GLACIER, 1182 AGASSIZ GLACIER, and 1183 HUDSON GLACIER. The new WESTERN STAR would become the train of Glacier National Park, as it would serve the park both eastbound and westbound in daylight hours. The WESTERN STAR would carry many extra Pullman-sleeping cars in the summer months from tour operators and railroad charters to and from the magnificent Glacier National Park. Many of these foreign sleeping cars running to the park would be set out at Glacier and serve as sleeping quarters for the passengers visiting the park. Later these sleeping cars would be picked up by the WESTERN STAR at Glacier or in many cases the cars may have been moved to Belton where they were picked up. Belton was the west entrance to Glacier National Park and Glacier was the east entrance to Glacier National Park with both entrances on the GN mainline over Marias Pass just 57 miles apart. For a number of years the WESTERN STAR carried extra sleeping cars to and from Glacier National Park that originated in both the east and west so there was Pullman Sleeping cars traveling in the WESTERN STAR in both directions. Those Glacier National Park bound cars that originated in California generally departed in the WESTERN STAR from Spokane while if the tour included time in Seattle the cars departed from Seattle.
In addition to dedicated GLACIER series sleeping cars between St. Paul and Great Falls the WESTERN STAR also carried overnight GLACIER series sleeping cars between Spokane and Seattle in each direction. The two cars designated as Spokane - Seattle sleeping cars were 1184 CHANEY GLACIER and 1185 PARADISE GLACIER. All of the additional GLACIER series sleeping cars and the one additional RIVER series Sleeper Lounge Observation were GN owned. The new WESTERN STAR was inaugurated on June 3, 1951.

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard December 1950 Plan: 4108A Lot: 6890 (Built for and assigned to WESTERN STAR)

GN

1181 KINTLA GLACIER

1182 AGASSIZ GLACIER

1183 HUDSON GLACIER
(St. Paul - Great Falls)

1184 CHANEY GLACIER

1185 PARADISE GLACIER
(Seattle - Spokane)

1186 PUMPELLY GLACIER

1187 TAHOMA GLACIER

1188 TWO OCEAN GLACIER

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE 11 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard December 1950 Plan: 4109A Lot: 6878 (Built for and assigned to WESTERN STAR)

GN

1197 PRIEST RIVER

The new fifteen car Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDERS entered service June 3, 1951 between Chicago and Seattle - Portland. Each of the new Mid-Century Empire Builders was made up of cars from Pullman Standard and American Car & Foundry. The latter Company built the Baggage 60' Railway post Office cars, Baggage Crew Dormitory Cars, 60 Revenue seat Short trip Coaches, all feature cars (Diners and Lounges). Pullman Standard built the new 48 revenue seat leg rest Coaches, The PASS and RIVER series sleeping cars. The new EMPIRE BUILDERS were powered by EMD 3 unit sets of F units with 4,500 hp total. A typical EMPIRE BUILDER is listed below.

37 Baggage 60' Railway Post Office Car

1200 Baggage 25 Crew Dormitory Car

1210 60 Revenue Seat Short Trip Coach

1215 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1216 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach

1217 48 Revenue Seat Leg Rest Coach
(Chicago - Portland)

1240 G-N Ranch 14 Seat Lunch Counter 12 Seat Dining 18 Seat Lounge Car

1260 SKYKOMISH RIVER 4 Section 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1370 ROGERS PASS 6 Roomettes 5 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleeping Car
(Chicago - Portland)

1261 SUN RIVER 4 Sections 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Chicago - Portland)

1250 LAKE OF THE ISLES 36 Seat Dining Car

1262 SNOHOMISH RIVER 4 Section 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1371 PITAMAKIN PASS 6 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleeping Car

1372 AKAMINA PASS 6 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleeping Car

1290 APPEKUNNY MOUNTAIN 2 Roomette Buffet Lounge High Windowed Lounge Observation

There were actually three Roomettes in the MOUNTAIN series Observations. One of these was a Crew Roomette with fewer amenities than the other two; this was for the Lounge car attendant. The other two standard Roomettes were not sold to the public but one was for the Pullman Conductor, the other for the GN onboard Passenger Service Representative.

4 SECTION 1 COMPARTMENT 7 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 3 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard November - December 1950 Plan: 4181 Lot: 6889 (Built for and assigned to MID-CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER)
GN

1260 SKYKOMISH RIVER

1261 SUN RIVER

1262 SNOHOMISH RIVER

1263 MILK RIVER

1264 BAD AXE RIVER

1265 CHUMSTICK RIVER

1266 SHEYENNE RIVER

1267 SKAGIT RIVER

1268 MOUSE RIVER

1269 POPLAR RIVER

1270 TOBACCO RIVER

1271 FRASER RIVER

1272 SPOKANE RIVER

1273 PEND ORIELLE RIVER

1274 BOIS DE SIOUX RIVER

SP&S

702 SNAKE RIVER

6 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM 2 COMPARTMENT SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard October - November 1950 Plan: 4180 Lot: 6877 (Built for and assigned to MID-CENTURY EMPIRE BUILDER)

GN

1370 ROGERS PASS

1371 PITAMAKIN PASS

1372 AKAMINA PASS

1373 SANTIAM PASS

1374 PARK CREEK PASS

1375 JEFFERSON PASS

1376 HART PASS

1377 STATE PASS

1378 FIREBRAND PASS

1379 BIG HORN PASS
1380 SUIATTLE PASS

1381 HAINES PASS

1382 BLEWETT PASS

1383 INUYA PASS

1384 LEWIS AND CLARK PASS

SP&S

701 WAPINITIA PASS

Six of the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER Sleeping Cars were transferred to CB&Q ownership in September 1953 with no change of number or names.

CB&Q

1266 SHEYENNE RIVER originally GN 1266 SHEYENNE RIVER

1269 POPLAR RIVER originally GN 1269 POPLAR RIVER

1273 PEND ORIELLE RIVER originally GN 1273 PEND ORIELLE RIVER

1371 PITAMAKIN PASS originally GN 1371 PITAMAKIN PASS

1378 FIREBRAND PASS originally GN 1378 FIREBRAND PASS

1382 BLEWETT PASS originally GN 1382 BLEWETT PASS

Between April and August 1955 the GN cycled each of the RIVER series Sleeper Lounge Observations assigned to the WESTERN STAR through Pullman Calumet shops to rebuild the interiors. Originally built as 2 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 20 Seat Lounge Observations the cars returned to GN with 4 Double Bedrooms 1 Compartment 6 Roomettes and 9 seat Lounge Observation. The car names were changed from RIVER series cars to COULEE series cars at that time. When the COULEE series cars were returned to the GN they were assigned to the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER to give that train more sleeping car capacity. The MOUNTAIN series cars the GN built for the Mid-Century EMPIRE BUILDER were then assigned to the WESTERN STAR. The COULEE series Sleeper Lounge Observations are the only streamlined Observations operated by any railroad with Roomettes. The MOUNTAIN series Observations Roomettes were not sold as revenue space until years later in the combined WESTERN STAR/ FAST MAIL. The new Pullman Plan for the COULEE series Sleeper Lounge Observations was 4109K.

1190 CHOUTEAU COULEE rebuilt April 1955 from 1190 MISSISSIPPI RIVER

1191 TWELVE MILE COULEE rebuilt June 1955 from 1191 MISSOURI RIVER

1192 CORRAL COULEE rebuilt August 1955 from 1192 FLATHEAD RIVER

1193 ROCKY COULEE rebuilt May 1955 from 1193 KOOTENAI RIVER

CB&Q 1194 TRAIL COULEE rebuilt July 1955 from CB&Q 1194 MARIAS RIVER

1197 GRAND COULEE rebuilt June 1955 from 1197 PRIEST RIVER

Burlington owned PASS series sleeping car 1168 RED GAP PASS was transferred to GN ownership in June 1955. At that time the WESTERN STAR began operating with one less PASS series sleeping cars in each consist between Chicago and Seattle.
The six surplus PASS series sleeping cars were than assigned to a pool for the WESTERN STAR in summer season and the WINNIPEG LIMITED at other times of the year.
In 1956 GN returned GLACIER series Sleeping cars 1175 OBERLIN GLACIER and 1177 HARRISON GLACIER to Pullman Calumet for remodeling for WINNIPEG LIMITED service. The two GLACIER series cars originally built with 16 Duplex Roomettes and 4 Double Bedrooms returned from Pullman as Plan 4108K 8 Duplex Roomette 2 Double Bedroom Buffet 12 Seat Dinette 12 Seat Lounge Cars with new names and numbers as follows.

1198 MANITOBA CLUB originally 1175 OBERLIN GLACIER

1199 WINNIPEG CLUB originally 1177 HARRISON GLACIER

The two new CLUB series cars were assigned to the WINNIPEG LIMITED. At that time the WINNIPEG LIMITED consists were carrying one GLACIER, one PASS, and one of the CLUB series cars in each consist.
The Great Northern was in a unique situation not enjoyed by many railroads in the early 1960's having first class revenues more than holding there own. The GN sleeping cars were traveling full in the summer seasons and not doing to badly in the winters. But 1962 stretched the railroad's passenger capacity to the limit. It was that summer of 1962 that Seattle had its first World's Fair and passenger volume soared to record levels for the duration of the fair. The one problem discovered during the fair was that the GN had a shortage of Double Bedroom capacity in the EMPIRE BUILDER consists. GN began to sense reluctance on many passengers' parts to book upper or lower section space. Maybe it was due to the lack of privacy offered by these accommodations that left these spaces as the very last to be booked after everything else was full. The GN decided to rebuild five of the EMPIRE BUILDER RIVER series Sleeping cars to increase Room space. The cars were returned to Pullman Calumet and emerged as Plan: 4181A cars. Built originally as Plan: 4181 4 Section 1 Compartment 7 Duplex Roomette 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. After conversion the cars were 7 Duplex Roomette 1 Compartment 7 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars. The five cars rebuilt to this configuration in 1963 were 1260 SKYKOMISH RIVER, 1262 SNOHOMISH RIVER, 1263 MILK RIVER, 1264 BAD AXE RIVER and 1274 BOIS DE SIOUX RIVER. After the conversion the cars were assigned to through Chicago - Seattle service in the EMPIRE BUILDER.
Beginning in 1959 the Sleeping car space in the WESTERN STAR was sold at Coach fare plus a room charge in order to answer the NORTH COAST LIMITED Slumbercoach service. The GN only offered the service in the WESTERN STAR and it was a real bargain when one remembers that a typical Slumbercoach was set up for forty passengers. The GLACIER series sleeping cars were 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom cars with much more spacious accommodation for 24 passengers.
The Great Northern only operated lightweight streamlined sleeping cars in the EMPIRE BUILDER, WESTERN STAR and WINNIPEG LIMITED.

TTFN Al

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

My final installment on the "Theme for the Day!" - previously seen on this Thread:

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #41

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY in a 1949 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . Glacier National Park . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . IN THE MONTANA ROCKIES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

HIKE on high trails.

RIDE to ancient glaciers.

SEE snowclad mountains.

FISH in great trout waters.

TOUR in open top motor coaches.

EAT and sleep in fine hotels.

ON THE MAIN LINE OF THE GREAT NORTHERN

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

My final installment on the "Theme for the Day!" - previously seen on this Thread:

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #41

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY in a 1949 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . Glacier National Park . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . IN THE MONTANA ROCKIES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

HIKE on high trails.

RIDE to ancient glaciers.

SEE snowclad mountains.

FISH in great trout waters.

TOUR in open top motor coaches.

EAT and sleep in fine hotels.

ON THE MAIN LINE OF THE GREAT NORTHERN

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Just wanted to acknowledge the efforts of Al for the fine Posts and info on The Great Northern Railway.[tup][tup][tup]

Also, for Lars & Al I appreciate your support for this thread and the bar![tup][tup][tup] There will come a day when I pull the plug over here - but it won't because the three of us didn't try.

Catch ya in the AM!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom How about this for today.

NORTHERN
PACIFIC Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
(NP)
By Al

In 1947 – 1948 the Northern Pacific received its first lightweight streamlined cars. The cars were delivered to equip six NORTH COAST LIMITED train sets. The NP premier train and oldest name train operating between Chicago and Seattle – Portland – Tacoma. Each of the train sets operated with three feature cars. The first of these in each consist was a 26-seat coach Buffet 19-seat Lounge car. This car was for the coach passengers of the train and was trainlined as the seventh car in each train. These cars were numbered 494-499. They were delivered to the NP in June – July 1947 and were among the first new cars to operate in the otherwise heavyweight NORTH COAST LIMITED.

26-SEAT COACH BUFFET 10-SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard June – July 1947 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

494 – 499

Cars 494 – 499 were shopped one at a time between July and October 1954 receiving the Raymond Loewy treatment at that time being rebuilt to the famous Lewis & Clark Travelers Rest cars. These cars featured a 14-seat Lunch Counter Kitchen – Bar 12-seat cocktail lounge 17-seat lounge. Leather was applied to the wall of the car on one side in this area and a map showing the route of the Lewis and Clark expedition was featured on this cowhide. These cars were among the finest lounge cars to ever enter service on a U.S. railroad.
The next car in each NORTH COAST LIMITED consist was a 12-seat Lunch Counter 30-seat Dining car 450 – 454 and CB&Q owned 455. The dining cars operated from St. Paul east to Chicago and then west to Seattle and return east to St. Paul. They were changed out in St. Paul, as this was where the NP Commissary dept. was located.

12-SEAT LUNCH COUNTER 30-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard July – August 1947 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

NP

450 – 454

CB&Q

455

All six Lunch Counter – dining cars were rebuilt to full 48-seat dining cars between October 1953 and March 1954 retaining their original numbers. They operated as 40-seat dining cars in non-peak travel periods having eight seats at booths that were used a waiting and cocktail lounge during those times. During the peak travel periods the cars operated as 48-seat dining cars with the four booths pressed into dining car service. This was also part of the Raymond Loewy rebuilding of the NORTH COAST LIMITED. All Northern Pacific cars were being repainted into the new scheme of two-tone green with white lettering and separation stripes designed by Raymond Loewy. This scheme replaced a very old-fashioned paint scheme of Pullman Green and Pine green with yellow striping and lettering. The new paint scheme would last the NP into the BN merger in fact well into the Amtrak era and was easily one of the most attractive schemes ever introduced by a railroad to its passenger equipment. The dining cars remained in NORTH COAST LIMITED service until 1959 when they were replaced by new Budd built dining cars in the NORTH COAST LIMITED. These cars were then assigned to the MAINSTREETER. In May – June 1962 numbers 450-453, 455 and 456 were rebuilt to 32-seat dining 16-seat lounge cars.
Once again cars 450, 451, 453 and 456 were rebuilt between June 1967 and January 1968 into economy buffet cars with a steam table for service replacing three tables on one side of the car. This was done in an effort to get a handle on the runaway dining car expenses of the MAINSTREETER. The cars retained their lounge seating. Two other older dining cars were converted to Buffet Lounge cars 454 in May 1966 and car 457 followed a year later in May 1967.
The last car in each streamlined NP NORTH COAST LIMITED was a 4-Double Bedroom 1 Compartment Buffet 26-seat Lounge Observation. These cars were al named for business clubs located in cities served by the NORTH COAST LIMITED. These cars were not delivered until June – July 1948 and all six NORTH COAST LIMITED train sets were completely equipped with new cars by September 1948.

4-DOUBLE BEDROOM 1-COMPARTMENT BUFFET 26-SEAT LOUNGE OBSRVATIONS Pullman Standard June – July 1948 Plan: 4120 Lot: 6781 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

NP

ARLINGTON CLUB

MONTANA CLUB

RAINIER CLUB

SPOKANE CLUB

TACOMA CLUB

CB&Q

MINNEAPOLIS CLUB

In 1954 – 55 the CLUB suffix cars lost their names in favor of numbers only which became standard practice for all NP sleeping cars. The CLUBS were numbered as follows

February 1954

392 originally TACOMA CLUB

June 1954

CB&Q 483 originally CB&Q
MINNEAPOLIS CLUB

August 1954

390 originally RAINIER CLUB

September 1954

391 originally ARLINGTON CLUB

October 1954

394 originally ARLINGTON CLUB

February 1955

393 originally SPOKANE CLUB

At the same time the CLUB series cars were numbered the lounge observation area was extensively remodeled giving a more modern appearance to the lounge. The seating in the remodeled lounge remained the same at 27.
Pullman Standard delivered two new 40-seat dining cars in December 1953 for assignment to the Seattle – Portland NP pool trains. These two cars were identical to the rebuilt cars operating in the NORTH COAST LIMITED. Like those cars operating in the NORTH COAST LIMITED dining car 456 and 457 were expandable to 48-seats during peak travel periods.

48-SEAT DINING CARS Pullman Standard December 1953 (Built for and assigned to Seattle – Portland pool train service)

456, 457

In October 1954 Pullman Standard delivered two Parlor – Buffet Lounge cars 492 and 493 to the NP for assignment to the NP Seattle – Portland pool trains 407-408. These cars had a 32-seat lounge at one end with a buffet next followed by 14-seat Parlor cars. One of these cars brought up the markers of 407 northbound while southbound in 408 for many years were four Southern Pacific sleeping cars trailing the Parlor Buffet Lounge car. These were through cars destined for that afternoons southbound CASCADE. The Parlor seating was to the rear so both coach and first class passengers could use the Buffet – Lounge in the two cars. Both cars operated up until Amtrak on these trains.

32-SEAT LOUNGE BUFFET 14-SEAT PARLOR CARS Pullman Standard October 1954 (Built for and assigned to Seattle – Portland pool trains 407-408)

492, 493

Pullman Standard delivered five nearly identical Lounge Buffet Parlor cars to the NP in July 1956 numbered 487 – 491. These five cars were the only new cars ever constructed for the MAINSTREETER the secondary train between Seattle-Tacoma-Portland and Chicago. These cars were named Holiday Lounge cars for service in the MAINSTREETER. It was unusual for long distance trains to operate parlor cars. In the case of the MAINSTREETER the Parlor car space was sold for daytime travel in Montana, and North Dakota. During the evening hours the parlor seating was opened up as additional lounge space. The parlor seating rarely sold on these trains and eventually the parlor was treated as additional lounge space during the day and evening. These cars only operated between Seattle and St. Paul as the MAINSTREETER through cars were combined with the CB&Q BLACKHAWK between St. Paul and Chicago. The MAINSTREETER dining and Parlor Buffet Lounge cars only operated between St. Paul and Seattle. Between November 1962 and March 1963 all five cars were rebuilt to 48-seat leg-rest coaches and renumbered 581-585.

32-SEAT LOUNGE BUFFET 14-SEAT PARLOR CARS “HOLIDAY LOUNGE” Pullman Standard July 1956 (Built for and assigned to MAINSTREETER)

487 – 491

The NP NORTH COAST LIMITED received new Budd built 40-seat dining cars in December 1957 – January 1958. These cars were expandable to 48 seats during the busy peak travel periods by utilizing the booth seating at each end of the dining seating. During off peak travel periods the booths were used for cocktails and waiting areas for the dining area. These were the last new dining cars built in the United States until Amtrak built dining cars in the 1970’s.

48-SEAT DINING CARS Budd Company December 1957 – January 1958 (Built for and assigned to NORTH COAST LIMITED)

NP

459 – 463

CB&Q

458

At the end of 1966 and into the beginning of 1967 the NP retired the Sleeper lounge observations from NORTH COAST LIMITED service, this left the trains with no separate lounge facilities for first class passengers. There have been many reasons offered as to why the NP retired these classic observation cars, one was that it made the addition and deletion of the Portland cars easier at Pasco and also cut down the switching at St Paul, but the truth was these cars sleeping accommodation was dated not having a separate bathroom annex. The NP found it more difficult to sell the space in these cars except during peak travel periods. Also sleeping passengers did not enjoy the switching of cars at Pasco westbound or westbound at St. Paul. In any event the cars were retired and sold privately, several survive in private ownership as this is written in 2002.
It didn’t take the Pullman passengers long to let the NP know they were unhappy about this turn of events. In order to appease these first class passengers the NP remodeled six of their Vista Dome sleeping cars that had been delivered in 1954 into “Lounge in the Sky” cars. The NP placed six tables in the dome each seating four facing one another. Since the original dome seating had been for 24 this never reduced the seating. A Buffet replaced two of the duplex single rooms beneath the dome. Apparently the Lounge car attendants in these cars suffered from no lack of exercise, having to climb the two stairs from beneath the dome to the cars main level and the five stairs from the main level of the dome just to look after their passenger orders. The five cars rebuilt were renumbered 375-379 and CB&Q 380, they were originally numbered 307, 308, 311, 312, and 314, and CB&Q 304 respectively. The cars built as 24-seat Vista Dome 4-roomettes, 4-double bedroom with 4 duplex single rooms beneath the dome. As reconstructed to Lounge in the sky Vista dome sleeping cars they featured the new dome seating at tables, 4- Double Bedrooms, and two Duplex single rooms beneath the dome with a buffet occupying the space formerly occupied by the other two duplex single rooms. These cars pleased the first class clientele as know more complaints were received at NP headquarters.
All cars passed to BN ownership after the merger in 1970 and all of the domes went on to many years of service in Amtrak trains.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Al - A fine selection - take note that the NP is NEXT UP over at the bar for Tuesday, Feb 28th!

Here's a little something to supplement Al's choice . . . previously Posted on this Thread . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Northern Pacific (NP)

Headquarters: St. Paul, MN

Mileage in 1950: 6,682

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesels: 662

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 34,200
Passenger cars: 359

Principal routes in 1950:

Minneapolis/St. Paul-Fargo, ND-Butte, MT-Tacoma, WA
Logan-Helena-Garrison, MT
Portland, OR-Sumas, WA
Minneapolis/St. Paul-Duluth, MN
Staples, MN-Ashland, WI
Little Falls-International Falls, MN
Manitoba Junction-Crookston, MN-Winnipeg, MB
Wadena, MN-Leeds, ND

Passenger trains of note:

Alaskan (Minneapolis/St. Paul-Portland via Helena)
Mainstreeter (Chicago-Helena-Seattle & Portland)
North Coast Limited (Chicago-Butte-Seattle & Portland)

Of note: CB&Q handled passenger trains between Chicago and St. Paul. SP&S handled trains between Pasco and Portland.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

Here's something for our "Theme for the Day! - Northern Pacific" - previously Posted on this thread . . . .

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #12

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this ad (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)



Look what they’re saying about the Vista-Dome North Coast Limited!

”FOUR VISTA-DOMES . . . the view really is terrific on the Northern Pacific!”

“Pride of the Northwest . . . a train second to none!”

“One of the top trains in the country”

“A LOVELY STEWARDESS-NURSE . . . so kind to me and my children”

“Most friendly and courteous employees”

“Comfortable trip – delicious meals. Our compliments to the chef”

“THE TRAVELLER’S REST buffet-lounge . . . most unique car we’ve ever seen . . . captures the flavor and romance of the West”

”WON’T YOU BE MY GUEST?”
Now a friendly Stewardess-Nurse welcomes you aboard the Vista-Dome North Coast Limited. You’ll enjoy extra traveling pleasure at no extra cost – in fact, even low Family Fares apply! Heading East or West through the scenic Northwest, you’ll see for yourself why passengers call it . . .

. . . . . One of the world’s Extra Fine trains . . . . .

. . . . . For complete information, write
. . . . . G. W. RODINE, Passenger Traffic Manager . . . . .
. . . . . Northern Pacific Railway, St. Paul 1, Minn. . . . . .

CHICAGO – TWIN CITIES – SPOKANE – PORTLAND – TACOMA – SEATTLE


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]