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Posted by Gunns on Sunday, July 10, 2005 8:39 AM
Another note on the pile behind the door,

Ted I think it is a Worthington, 5030 was built the same year as 2926 by Baldwin, I can check our docs to see. actually the Loco is in very good condition, the jacket was pached by the city many times over the years and looks scabrous,<they usally slaped a sheet of Galvanized over a hole with pop rivets> but every thing else in in execlant condition, due to the AT&SF shoping the Loco just before it was set out on display. Jan should see us starting the Abatement of the boiler lagging.

We have Kirkland AFB/ "the Sunport" in ABQ, but I don't work any where close to them. I actually live in a "Bedroom" community called Rio Rancho, and work at an ARTCC, a "Air Route Traffic Control Center" we control all the Aircraft over 25K in a 3 state area <roughly 5400 AC a day not counting Gen Avation> so our "center" is in the North East quarter of Albuqurque. Side note, I took my UPS up to 45Kw on the load bank for 3 hrs last night, it didnt even humm, Solid as a rock.
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:04 AM
SUNDAY SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS (edited)

It’s SUNDAY and we’re CLOSED – but always time to read the posts and looks like we have sufficient numbers for a SUMMARY.

Remember, you can always drop your posts off through the slots in either sets of doors when we’re CLOSED! [tup] [swg]

BIRTHDAY BASH for ***, FRIDAY, July 15th at 9 AM CDST! Let's plan on logging in as close to that time as possible to wish *** HAPPY BIRTHDAY! [swg]

Here we go ….. as usual, limited smilies, graphics and photo’s ……..

QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 09 Jul 2005, 08:43:42
Morning All,
More coffee,
on my way home from work.

Ted- the casting will be in cast iron or bronze, <depends on whether I use the Period metal, no copper avalible during the war, or whether I give "Her" some classy jewlery> So the plan is to sand cast it like Baldwin did with the orignal, my pattern is made of pine, and Balsa wood <for the letters> the biggest problem is to make shure that there no undercuts that will keep the pattern from being removed cleanly from the sand. That is where I now have to put my efforts, in cleaning up the pattern and sealing it so it dosen't change shape from absorbing water. Today is a work day again but it is also the annual progress report meeting, so I may not get a lot done.

Later all,
Gunns


QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 09 Jul 2005, 19:04:56
Whew! We made it again. Dennis seems to be on course for the Panhandle and Alabama.These poor people are still cleaning up after Cindy and Ivan (the Terrible) from last year. I hate to see anyone endure such losses and can only sympathize with their plight. Gunns sounds to me that you have your "act together." Tom your assessment of today's Coast Guard's situation rings true. Just pursuing drug rings operating at sea is a full time job. The additional bureaucracy that now comes into play must be vexing at times. Tom, can you "rustle" up a nicely marbled T-bone for me? Since Nick has returned maybe I can prevail upon him to prepare a recipe of his maranated sauteed Porta Bello mushrooms? Just a Rob Roy to sip for now, please. Mmm, I forgot how delicious some cocktails can be! Who wants the cherry?

Has anyone glanced at a "Classic Trains" Topic re: "Food on Trains?" I ask you, just how delicious can a cheese or ham sandwich be? As for a hot beef sandwich with mashed potatoes and gravy; WOW "ain't that sumpthin!" I can attest to the Santa Fe, B & O and Pennsy having fine cuisine in the "full" kitchen Dining cars during the late 1950's through the mid 1960's. Then, with micro wave technology, things took a nose dive in hurry. Nothing fresh anymore; freezer to the plate in two steps. No more Chefs, no waiters, no fresh salads, even dessert is a thawed ice cube. Yes, I know that Canadian Roads still serve good food but that ceases at the border. Oh Rob, have you seen the Perley Thomas clones in New Orleans? BLECH! That phony clerestory is right out of Disney World. And to think they dumped the Melbourne cars for more new "Clones."

Well, I trust everyone is ready for ***'s Birthday Bash on the 15th. I'll need to line my stomach with plenty of ice cold milk hours before the debauchery begins. ***, I hope your jaunt to London is uneventful and repairs have been made to the Underground by then. No doubt, it will be a bit eerie just knowing what happened at the effected stations. Okay Boris, if you will please hand me my rain coat and rubbers, I'll repair toward the old homestead. NO! Gadfrey Daniel Boris; the pull-overs for my shoes...Cretin. So long for now, Ted

Happy to know you’re safe and sound [?] and no worse for wear now that Dennis has moved on ……. [tup] [swg] Check your Email …..
Tom

QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 09 Jul 2005, 20:20:13
Good evenin folks.

Tom and Al As Al will attest the Dorcas bay is a smoothside. It's still painted in the blue and yellow, we have it's AC running and the cars intact all the beds etc just as VIA left it. It's interesting to see that we use it as a berth for crews just like VIA and CN did. The only thing non functional on it is the washrooms no running water attached, though the holding tank is still there.

Ted I've never been to the big easy, I thought that the Pearly Thomases were the real item still just many times rebuilt. I didn't realize that they were clones, when did that happen?Make sure you batten down well we don't want you blowing away and going AWOL on us.
'Gunns Great Ceasar's ghost what the heck are you doing with all that juice producing power.You could run some third rail subway equipment with all that. Nice flight sim module BTW is that a custom built unit by your goodself?

Nick and *** Be carefull over there in the tubes. Here's hoping that everything is back in order sooner than later.

Tom I know that it's a way off yet but my birthday bash in Sept may have to go a bit earlier or later, I'm vacation bound the week of and will not likely have computer access. Course you guys can party with out me just get Boris to set up a rubber friend that looks like me ( just don't let him manhandle it though ) BTW Tom I may have a piece of rolling stock to suit your quest to power your CN cars drop me an email. I'm off and running for now gents. talk to you later. Rob

Hi Rob Glad someone reads the words! I figured Dorcas Bay was smoothsides, but couldn’t get Al to read the words! I guess as a budding author, he just pours ‘em out and lets others worry about the readin’ part! [swg]

Haven’t we had this conversation before regarding that loco you have in CN color (colours)[?] Emailon the way! THANX …….

Birthday Bash scheduling is always at the convenience of the celebrant! Translated: no sweat …… just remind me as we get closer! [tup] [swg]
Tom

QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 09 Jul 2005, 22:08:18
Hi all,
Coffee and Danish,

Just a quick note before I run to work.

Rob that is our emergency power in case of commercial power failure, and is needed to keep all the "Air Traffic Control" stuff on line, the Simpit is a home built, it has JS, Thttl, foot peds, and "Track IR" <a head tracking device that allows hands free switching of views>

Finally I have some pics up,
here is the right side of 2926,
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aad?full=1

Here is the shop and the Builders plate pattern.
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aaf

Here is my gallery link with the rest of the pics, <I'll post and describe them later tonight>
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans

Gotta run <snags a pastry>
Gunns


QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 10 July 2005, 01:09:28
More coffee <G>,
Hi all at the shop on break.
here is the update.

Sat 9 July 05

First something I forgot for last Wends., we found the air brake lines on the tender tucks badly corroded, <up to 80% under the clamps> and are inspecting and replacing all air lines showing any damage, our thought is that it is much easier to do it now while the trucks are in the open than doing it later when we would have to crawl around under the tender. we also found that while many companies make the hi pressure unions we need, the unions themselves are not compatible with each other, requiring care in how the piping is assembled.

Today, we saw the end of riveting on the tender foot plate, http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aae the pic shows some of the rivets replaced and the tool made to "head" them. now the plate will get a coat of "Rust Bullet" and its Black paint, and then be reattached to the tender. http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aak Pic of the tender, from the rear, currently on cribbing with trucks and oil bunker removed. Work on the tender continues with black paint applied to the surfaces that will be between the oil bunker and the water tank, cribbing under the oil bunker can now be moved so the dunnage brackets can be welded on. Paint on the outside of the tender will wait untill we have "it" assembled, with only inaccessible areas being painted now. Needle scaling of brake parts continues, and identification of bearings needing replacement is underweight. New bearings will be fabricated onsite, and the maintenance folio calls for them to be case hardened.

http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aab Pic of the Pivot point on the Buckeye truck that will need to be bored out and new bearings installed.

Work on the Builders Plate pattern continues, http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aac with a light metal foundary to be built for the various casting jobs we need done. In the office the transfer of drawings and folios continues, http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aal

http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aam and has already paid off as the drawing for the bell clapper, <lost during the park years> was printed today and handed off to the machine shop for fabrication.

Survey of the engine is ongoing, in preparation for abatement next year. http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aad

More to come,
Gunns

Kevin Thanx for the detailed info … and as said previously, all of us may not be “into” this kind of info exchange, but others are. Your efforts are always appreciated! That’s what this thread is all about – talking about Classic Trains real or model!
Tom

QUOTE: timothyheady Posted: 10 July 2005, 01:18:56
Good evening everyone have around on me .

Welcome purplejude.

I read the other day that Congress didn't get their way with eliminating Amtrak for various reasons. Am always in the corner listening in here at the bar I.ve learned a lot of stuff in here. I've only been this a short while. I model the Santa Fe. By for now I'll holler at you later. Going over to the CSX railyard across the street.

Hello timothyheady and [#welcome] to "Our" Place. This is an adult cyber bar 'n grill where the discussion focuses on Classic Trains. As you will find out, Kalmbach has provided all of us with many forums to discuss our favorite aspects of railroading - whether they be real or modeling. So do yourself a service, and check them all out.

By the way, I checked your profile and note that you are in Indianapolis... .check mine if you'd like. It helps to "know" who we're talking to. Just click on my cyber name - siberianmo.

We have a few guys conversant with Amtrak and I'm sure that if you come back, you'll find the information beginning to flow.

Around here, my suggestion for you and anyone else new to this thread (that's what we call topics - threads) is to go to page 1 and go through all of the pages, if for no other reason than to determine whether this discussion is what you would like to participate in.

If so, we'd love to have you around here!

See ya! [tup] [swg]
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QUOTE: TheodorebearvPosted: 10 July 2005, 06:14:44
"Our" Place is officially closed on Sundays but I'll slip this into the mail drop by the front door. Yes Rob, the original Perleys have been restored many times over in their own shops behind the car barn on Canal St. The new "clones" are the result of increasing the roster on extended right-of-way connecting the Canal Line to the Riverfront Line. This data may be found on the link I sent on "Vintage Street Cars Systems of North America." The high arch roof is one of the distinctive features of the original Thomas cars. Now, to accommodate the A/C, they "popped on" an over sized clerestory roof resulting in the eerie look of a San Fran cable car. There is a new livery as well: bright red and white instead of the brown and red, strictly a "Tourist eye catcher."

Hi timothyheady, we haven't seen purplejude around here for quite awhile. But, even our "Regulars" are in-and-out due to vacations etc. Drop in tomorrow and say hello to Tom the Proprietor of "Our" Place. The unique feature of this "thread" is that Tom runs daily (except Sunday) Summaries of the most recent Posts. They eliminate the constant scrolling back to keep abreast of current news and data. Without them, this would be just another "catch as catch can" type of thread.

Gunns is that a Worthington feed water system on S.F. 3050? Your team has done wonders on the Tender (2926) and the pics reveal the "long road ahead" for the Loco. Since Rob asked about the gargantuan power feed; I now know the need for it. Are you near a airport facility? I don't recall seeing anything on your location in Albuquerque. Don't tell me I skipped over a Summary. If so, just tell me and I will scroll back until I find it. Timothyheady, see what I mean about reading the summaries? It pays off in spades!

Okay, this is only a quick "drop" to keep in touch on the weather "all clear" for Tampa Bay. Take care all, see ya when you're back in for great food and libation. Ted

Ted Sorry about the apparent contradiction regarding the SUMMARY … looks like sufficient numbers to get one out, plus I’m not pushed for time this fine morning……
ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE PLUG FOR THE SUMMARIES!
That’s it! [tup][swg]

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:18 PM
All of our regulars know about the Birthday Watch List .... however, it needs to be posted repeatedly, just as a reminder regarding who is coming up next for the Birthday Bash ......

2005 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST (rev. July 5th):

February 2nd (Kevin – 49)
March 5th (Nick – 45)
April 18 (Al - 63)
May 18th (Tom - 67)
May 27th (Dave - 46)
June 24th (Dan - 43)
July 15th (*** – 65) - NEXT UP, Friday at 9 AM CDST
July 25th (Chris - 51)
July 30th (Russell – 35)
August 16th (Ted - 67)
September 8th (Rob - 34)

Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year).

Tom

NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:44 PM
A quick pop in to help prepare for the breakfast rush.TomEmails read and replied too,and yes we did talk about the loco before.Ted I'm glad to hear that the originals are still around,i wonder if the new "clones" will survive the 60 or 70 odd years of the originals.Funny how the surviing street railways like to pander to tourists with new and improved paint schemes. I remember all the flap when the TTC changed their paint scheme to the new look with the black bands.Gunns you are a man of many talents, good job on that simulator. I love seeing the pictures as well, it certainly shows the pride and dedication your group has on this worthy project.[tup] Now we need you guys to tackle the CNR 6218 and resusitate her when your done with your current charge[swg]I'll close with a couple of shots before and after of ongoing restoration work on TTC S-37. slowley but surley we are removing and replacing the old rotten woodwork click to enlarge.As of now the east end is completely rebuilt and painted. Have a good night. Rob
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 11, 2005 5:50 AM
Good mornin' Gents, it is far too early for imbibing (spirits) this a.m.! So, let me try a couple of those cheese blintzes from the Village Bakery. Wanita (the Shmecken daughter) was up all last night baking them.[tup] I've been told that Mr. Smecken has a peculiar method of making donuts, so I'll pass.[:O] I hope no one is in the path of "Dennis the Menace?" There could be some serious flooding.

Love the new pics Rob. The (S-37) is all "soul." Is it a freight motor or a "line" (maintenance) car? Number 55 really brings back memories. The "blind" door panel on one end (in K.C.) was normally used for boarding and the full door for exiting. One difference is the "high" arch roof. Our single truck Bernies had derricks for the poles on a "low" arch roof. More than once I nearly fell on my keester on those "Safety Cars." We have one such car here ("clone") but it isn't used in regular service.

I had a pretty productive weekend with the "urban renewal" project now under weigh. Compared to the work of Gunns and Rob, my labors (labours) are Wimp's work. But then, so is my budget![(-D] I thnk I mentioned before that due to severe space limitations, my "city scape" is composed almost entirely of building "fronts." I "shadow boxed" them in an effort to yield some depth (3-D). Also, photo backdrops help a bit for illusions. On the opposite side, I fashioned a tall "bluff" which Russell can relate to, as per "Cliff Drive" in K.C., Mo. I KNOW: where's the pitchers?[:(!] Honest, I will "get there" a.s.a.p.; I'm still at the "shopping" stage for photo gear.[:I]

Okay, I need to get much more done on the "clean-up." So, I bid all of you a good week ahead[:D] Oh Boris, I've noticed any number of cut-out holes in the morning papers lately....coupons?[:(!]

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 11, 2005 8:53 AM
MONDAY’s SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS (edited)

G’day Gents! Another startup for the work week and what better way to begin it than to be right here[?] [swg]

Sent out an Email to all Permanent Stool members and I appreciate the responses. It was a twofold idea – first to test the reliability of it and second to ALERT you as indicated. Feel free to notify me of similar ALERT situations. Now that I have the multiple Email address list put together, this should be an easy way to reach you.

FIRST ANNUAL “OUR” PLACE CLASSIC TRAINS RENDEZVOUS

My thanx to those of you who responded to my requests for Email input regarding our Rendezvous. Here’s where the planning stands at this point:

(1) The Rendezvous will occur.
(2) It will be for the regular patrons of ”Our” Place, no spouses – this time (unless the spouse happens to be a regular patron).
(3) The location will be Toronto, Canada.
(4) Friday, May 12th is the official Rendezvous date – all day and into the evening. So, plan on arriving at least by Thursday, the 11th.
(5) The events planned for the group will focus on one full day and night, with anything else as optional for those desiring to stay a bit longer. Optional day is Saturday, May 13th.
(6) Rob {Trolleyboy) is our Program Coordinator/Host and is now engaged in putting together the list of things to do and places to stay.

PLEASE continue communicating by Email regarding the Rendezvous. It is IMPORTANT to keep the communications off of the forum/thread so that nothing gets lost in the shuffle.

Not much for the SUMMARY today, but I’ll go with it, if for no other reason than to move along ….. as usual, limited smilies, graphics and photo’s.

QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 10 Jul 2005, 17:18:44
All of our regulars know about the Birthday Watch List .... however, it needs to be posted repeatedly, just as a reminder regarding who is coming up next for the Birthday Bash ......

2005 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST (rev. July 5th):

February 2nd (Kevin – 49)
March 5th (Nick – 45)
April 18 (Al - 63)
May 18th (Tom - 67)
May 27th (Dave - 46)
June 24th (Dan - 43)
July 15th (*** – 65) – NEXT UP, Friday at 9 AM CDST
July 25th (Chris - 51)
July 30th (Russell – 35)
August 16th (Ted - 67)
September 8th (Rob - 34)

Have changes[?] Not on the list[?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year).

Tom
NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES


QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 10 Jul 2005, 23:44:43
A quick pop in to help prepare for the breakfast rush.

Tom Emails read and replied too, and yes we did talk about the loco before.

Ted I'm glad to hear that the originals are still around, I wonder if the new "clones" will survive the 60 or 70 odd years of the originals. Funny how the surviving street railways like to pander to tourists with new and improved paint schemes. I remember all the flap when the TTC changed their paint scheme to the new look with the black bands.

Gunns you are a man of many talents, good job on that simulator. I love seeing the pictures as well, it certainly shows the pride and dedication your group has on this worthy project. Now we need you guys to tackle the CNR 6218 and resuscitate her when your done with your current charge I'll close with a couple of shots before and after of ongoing restoration work on TTC S-37. Slowly but surely we are removing and replacing the old rotten woodwork click to enlarge. As of now the east end is completely rebuilt and painted. Have a good night. Rob

Email received and responded to. Thanx, Rob[tup][swg]

QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 11 July 2005, 05:50:38
Good mornin' Gents, it is far too early for imbibing (spirits) this a.m.! So, let me try a couple of those cheese blintzes from the Village Bakery. Wanita (the Shmecken daughter) was up all last night baking them. I've been told that Mr. Smecken has a peculiar method of making donuts, so I'll pass. I hope no one is in the path of "Dennis the Menace?" There could be some serious flooding.

Love the new pics Rob. The (S-37) is all "soul." Is it a freight motor or a "line" (maintenance) car? Number 55 really brings back memories. The "blind" door panel on one end (in K.C.) was normally used for boarding and the full door for exiting. One difference is the "high" arch roof. Our single truck Bernies had derricks for the poles on a "low" arch roof. More than once I nearly fell on my keester on those "Safety Cars." We have one such car here ("clone") but it isn't used in regular service.

I had a pretty productive weekend with the "urban renewal" project now under weigh. Compared to the work of Gunns and Rob, my labors (labours) are Wimp's work. But then, so is my budget! I think I mentioned before that due to severe space limitations, my "city scape" is composed almost entirely of building "fronts." I "shadow boxed" them in an effort to yield some depth (3-D). Also, photo backdrops help a bit for illusions. On the opposite side, I fashioned a tall "bluff" which Russell can relate to, as per "Cliff Drive" in K.C., Mo. I KNOW: where's the pitchers? Honest, I will "get there" a.s.a.p.; I'm still at the "shopping" stage for photo gear.

Okay, I need to get much more done on the "clean-up." So, I bid all of you a good week ahead Oh Boris, I've noticed any number of cut-out holes in the morning papers lately....coupons?

Okay, is it Scmecken or Smecken[?] [swg]

Dennis’ clouds have arrived here in the St. Louis area. We are supposed to get some long awaited rain later this morning and perhaps all the way into Wednesday evening. Hope so – it’s soooooooo dry ‘round these parts.

Got some model railroadin’ in yesterday myself. The S-gauge track system is now wired up – eight turnouts and three areas of track where I can control the power – sidings and a block. All of my wiring is done the old fashioned way – common rail wiring. Works fine for me and I like the use of toggles for powering sidings, etc. Am heading off to the stores this AM, before the rains, to get some Elmer’s white glue, some landscaping “stuff” and assorted other things to begin the S-gauge finishing touches. Juneau will curl himself up on the basement floor (cool) while I go about my business. Man’s best friend for sure!

Some more pix will soon be added to my album ……..

Tom [tup][swg]

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Posted by Gunns on Monday, July 11, 2005 9:01 AM
Morning all, drinks are on me all day,

I finshed my annual alingment, on my UPS.

Rob that's a great looking motor, can I talk you in to coming down for our cab? Lotsa green and red Chilli here.....

Ted Model work is in many ways harder than what we are doing, creating a feel of the prototype is suprisingly hard, perspective can be really hard. <I used to "Cheat" I took slides of house or car interiorsand would mount them in the windows of a car or structure, and backlight them>

Hey Ya'll a Question? what kind of coaches are appropiate to the 2926? The club is looking to obtain a pair of coaches, for day trips, and maby a buffet car. While we are still 5 or 6 years away from opperations, we want to start keeping our eyes open. we all ready have a "troop sleeper" and a hosptial kitchen car, <pics when I get home>, Heavy cars are OK as we need the braking power. Santa Fe Green? Or silver sides? or what.....

Later
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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, July 11, 2005 9:53 AM
Morning everyone. Tom If I could just have coffee and a selection of the bakery fine pastries,or perhaps one opf ted's delights would work as well. I'm not sure of the spelling of them either so i won't even attempt it.Ted S-37 is a snow sweeper actually,in the before picture ( one outside in the yard ) you will just be ably to see the front sweep broom ( bellow the coupler ) 55 is an ex Toronto Civic car, it's double ended and a hnad brake car to boot ( no air brakes ) it's a lively car to ride on, it bobs about quite a bit. Sadley she needs major truck and resister grid rebuilds right now and is a static display only.She's basically an all wood car save for the truck 1915 Preston car and coach built.Gunns I think the heavy weight greens would be your best bet passenger car wise if you can find any. Though I suppose you could go with the stainless in a pinch. Heck it's a big enough locomotive why not a selection of both.[;)][tup]As to me comming down I'd love to see your efforts, as a worker I'm just the tool getting sanding guy. Though if you fire off an email to the museum http://www.hcry.org some of our more seasoned ( read skilled members ) may wan't to help.Remembering that our area of expertise is streetcars and electric rolling stock but I sippose woodwork is wood work amd welding is welding as it wereWell guys it's almost lunchtime here and I'm off to work this afternoon. Those in the menace's path as Ted put stay dry and safe.I'm putting out this picture as well. Likely more intrest to Ted but this is 55's sister #57 as rebuilt as a railgrinder in the 60's. She has airbrakes and was rebuilt with single end controls also bus type windows and metal clading were built in over the existing tongue and groove wood.The extra weight makes her track better. Though in my opinion she is a less attractive car.Much easier to operate Have a good day everybody. Rob
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Posted by Gunns on Monday, July 11, 2005 9:54 AM
Back and home,
And I want a cold one.

Now Pixs,
This was a hospital kitchen car that was gutted by an asbestos abatment contractor, It will probably end up as our tool car.
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aao

This was a WWII era "Troop Sleeper" that was converted to a Missile command car, and still has thae A/C and Gen set on board, we will probably make it in to a crew sleeper for excursion crews <ya need 3 sets of Engineer and Fireman for long trips>
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aap

We plan to paint them as AT&SF express cars, and couple them right behind the loco.

Ahhh,Carbonated Malt Beverage,
Gunns


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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 11, 2005 10:25 AM
Mornin' Gunns Appreciate your stopping by ..... [tup]
Checked out your pix ... nice. If I missed it previously, sorry - but - how did your organization acquire these cars [?]

As far as coaches go, I think heavyweights would be the best. Colors? Green and perhaps a brown/maroon one - just to add a bit of contrast.

That ends my [2c] worth! [;)]

Okay, Boris you heard the man - fire up the bell and keep 'er going, drinks on Gunns all day! [tup][tup][tup] [swg]

Tom
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Posted by Gunns on Monday, July 11, 2005 10:32 AM
Tom the kitchen car was donated by Sandia labs, as was <I think> the command car, we also have a Caboose
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aaq
But it is compleatly gutted in side, altho we have a set of new <unused> rollerbreing trucks for it.
Gunns
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 11, 2005 10:37 AM
Morning' Rob - Help yourself to the goodies; all fresh from The Mentor Village Bakery ..... [tup][;)]

Email received and replied to .... Thanx!

Should you decide to come to the states one day, plan on taking the non-stop to St. Louis with Air Canada. From here you can head anywhere else you'd like .... [:D] Aside from the Can-Am trainroom, HO, O and S layouts [swg], we have the Museum of Transportation about 10 miles from where I live. Check it out:

http://www.museumoftransport.org/

One day, I hope you'll tell us all about how you began with your interersts in trolley cars. All of us have at least one story that can provide the background ...... really would appreciate it if you'd compose yours and put it out for all the regulars to enjoy! [tup]

Tom
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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, July 11, 2005 2:19 PM
Gunns, Al here just have one question about the cars donated by Sandia labs do they glow in the dark Just Kidding.
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Monday, July 11, 2005 4:00 PM
G'afternoon all. I'll have a cold tall draft from the tap.

Kevin- great pics of the locomotive, plates, tool car and caboose[tup]. I couldn't see the number or lettering in the caboose picture, but is the lettering on the side ATSF or AT&SF? ATSF would be appropiate for lettering from 1943 until retirement. Lightweight cars are also a good choice to put behind the 2926. You can do it your way on Ebay...sorry I had to put that "jingle" in there lol. Seriously, I wouldn't consider buying a passenger car on Ebay unless it's for real and there's no other alternative.

Tom, my wife and I had a good time at the Museum of Transportation in Kirkwood a couple of years ago. Hopefully by now they have things a little bit more organized as in equipment placement. Is the Rendezvous in Toronto for May 12 next year? Is that a weekend? I don't have a map handy right now.

Ted, your welcome on the digital camera help. Can't wait to see pics of Union Station. I don't understand the reference to "Cliff Drive" though [%-)]

Better hop off the stool and get other things done.

Take care,

Russell

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 11, 2005 4:44 PM
Permanent Stool holders are those members who have demonstrated their willingness to participate in the information sharing AND nonsense associated with "Our" Place. Those members are expected to at least say hello to the Proprietor and bar keep when stopping by! [:(!]

So, passengerfan Al WHO could I possibily be referring to[?] [:0]

Tom
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 11, 2005 4:56 PM
G'day Trainnut484 Russell ..... One cold draught comin' right up! [tup]

The FIRST ANNUAL “OUR” PLACE CLASSIC TRAINS RENDEZVOUS for the gang has been set for May 12th (Friday), 2006 in Toronto. Suggest you look at today's SUMMARY for the details ...... Send me an Email if you have other questions regarding this. We really want to keep that type of dialogue on a one-on-one basis and off of cyber space.

The Museum of Transport here in St. Louis County has had somewhat of a leadership fluctuation over the years. I'm hardly an expert nor a frequent visitor - but I do read the papers! Anyway, my guess is that your visit may have coincided with one of those down periods when they suffered along with a young person with NO experience whatsoever in the top leadership role. My understanding is that has changed for the better and things are definitely far better. Nevertheless, a very impressive collection and a hard working bunch of volunteers.

By the way, those F units look great! Love that war bonnet livery! [tup][tup]

Tom
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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, July 11, 2005 5:16 PM
Sorry Tom just took a quick breather from book and apoligize for tha lack of manners.
How about the usual and a round for the house. I am making good progress on book so hate to even leave it for a minute when I get in a good writing mood.
The areas of book that I am able to complete I'm going ahead with and those areas I am waiting for info on I am just leaving for now. Tome stands at 275 pages now and hope it will take less than 20 more to complete.
Just in case anyone happens to know I still need the original startup dates for the Acela trains? Everything else seems to be falling in place.
Well will close for now thx for the rap on the knuckles Tom I need it every once in a while.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 11, 2005 5:19 PM
Well all right, this is the way "Our"Place "ought-be-hittin'-all-da-time!" Today: we be like a Club Car when when everybody be "playin' the same tune!"[swg] Hmm-HMM![:D] Gunns anything for the #2926 will work from Santa Fe heavy weights (olive drab, picture window, open girder) coaches to Budd "fluted, stainless light weights" will do. Even the old G. I. Hospital Cars and "Kitchen Cars" can happen... take your pick. Just don't forget my "Georgia 300" (lease) will bring up the rear. Oh, BTW Kevin, how many MIG 22's did you bring down today?[tup]

Tom and Dave in regard to "S" guage, have you guys looked into "Model Railroad News?" This "Rag" (Monthly) seems to carry more than most for 3/16" modelers, along with "G," HO, ON3, "O," et al. I'm a subscriber for over a year now; I like it![^]

Where the Sam Hill is [C=:-)], Nick? The 3 bushels of Blue Fin Chesapeake Bay Maryland Crabs went so rancid that Boris had a "steam bake" for his "Rom" Clan.[alien] Okay, I gotta went, the Urban Renewal Bureauracrats are after last year's contract committments...what a nerve![zzz] Happy rails all.

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 11, 2005 7:25 PM
G'day passengerfan Al - Look, it's quite simple 'round here - come through those doors and head for YOUR stool! That should be memory crutch enough to remember where it came from! [swg] That's me - barkeep - knuckle rapper - and what did *** call me last week[?] - ah yes, housekeep!

That start up for Acela shouldn't be so tough to find and I'm sorry if it sounds so elementary - but how about contacting Amtrak[?] It's their train after all!

Ring the bell, Boris, the round is on Al [tup]

Tom

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Posted by West Coast S on Monday, July 11, 2005 7:29 PM
Afternoon tom and the gang...I decide to say low this weekend and catch up some chores and review some new DVDs I purchased which brings me to my next topic.

The DVD SP 1941 has a shot of the City of San Francisco with E2 A-B-B power but the kicker is the lower skirt and truck color. The skirts and trucks are wearing a coat of Leaf Brown while the roof is Harbor Mist Gray over Armour Yellow. I thought I was pretty familar with UP/SP schemes but this one is the first example i've encountered with this mix. Perhaps passengerfan Al can inpart his wisdom. By this time UP had abandoned Leaf brown , guess Pullman didn't get the change order!

Glad to meet your aquaintance Theodorebear, not only am I aquainted with Model Railroad News, I do believe I derided the editor in front of a crowd of hundreds during a convention several years ago. For the life of me I can't recall what got me in a tither, he got off easy compared to those membership greedy bloodsucking NMRA folks.[soapbox] Maybe its time to bury the hachet and atone for past sins and adopt a be kind to those that cover S attitude , not too many of us out there.

Tom,gang sorry I missed Nick's party, a good time was had by all no doubt, so Nick a belated [bday] and a couple of drinks on me .

Tom.
Boris I fear has taken off with the Johnny Walker Black label again, I keep finding evidence of him having frequented the underside of the pool table, no other details need be provided . If you can retrieve a fresh bottle , i'd be forever in your grace.

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 11, 2005 7:40 PM
Evening Ted

How I WISH we could hit on all bangers - just getting the regulars to read what's been posted is becoming a nightmare. I still have several overdue responses to questions out there. [yeah] I know - my problem. [tdn] However, today is a better day than some in the recent past ........ [tup]

I'll check out that magazine you mentioned next time I'm at my LHS ...... thanx. There was a magazine especially made for S-gaugers, S Gaugian. I'm not a subscriber, nor am I sure they are still in business, but have some issues in my collection. This is or was probably THE magazine for those who prefer the 1:64 scale.

Nick[?] [yeah] C'mon back - buy a new computer - go to a library or cyber store and log on - do something! [swg]

Tom


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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 11, 2005 7:48 PM
Evening West Coast S Dave

Don't know what you've been drinking or smoking out there on the left coast [swg] but we didn't have a party for Nick. Checking out the SUMMARIES lately[?] Also, the Birthday Watch List[?] Argggggggggggh. [censored][banghead]

Sure would love to hear the story about your rant with the magazine editor .......

One bottle of Johnny Walker Black comin' up ........ ice with that[?] [;)]

Tom

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Posted by West Coast S on Monday, July 11, 2005 8:01 PM
Well darn, aren't I the one with egg on my face [?] I know someone, somewhere had a BD, now who? ..Must be that Southern California freeway exhaust seeping into my underground bunker, yeh that's it [banghead]. Easy ice, no Boris with that Black if you could.. For those who are into it, the S Guagian is still available as well as 1/64th digest and a few others..including proto64 modeling.

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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, July 11, 2005 9:37 PM
Good evening all Well I will give up writing this evening and have a sociable drink or two. So barkeep how about a double crown royal with water chaser. And don't forget a round for the house.
West Coast S About your question on the Leaf brown. You may be right it was just overlooked by Pullman or their is the possibility that Pullman was just going to use up the remaining leaf brown they had and the skirting was repainted in Chicago after every trip so could not have lasted to long. Pullman was not one to waste anything look at the years of service they got from their blankets alone. Pullman was very tough on their sub contractors and expected certain longevity guarantees out of these suppliers and did not hesitate to find another subcontractor when a product or service did not live up to implied promises. Remember most of the Pullman cars were built in the days of handshakes and not paper contracts for subcontractors. But Pullman themselves when dealing with the railroads used tons of paper for their contracts and their legal department dotted all of the I's and crossed all of the T's.
The one time where things changed on a new passenger car contract was the massive C&O order where eventually a number of cars were canceled and others went directly to other roads never wearing C&O paint. Although I understand the C&O purchased a large number of Hoppers for coal in exchange for the changes and partial cancellation of passenger cars.
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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, July 11, 2005 11:03 PM
Good evening gentlefolks.Tom I think I'll have a quick keith,s if you don't mind.Your latest email has been read and replied to.Westcoast I know what you mean about those NMRA types. I haven't had much use for them since the[censored] mockery they made of the 2003 convention in Toronto.passengerAl Just wondering was bytown able to help you out with your LRC questions? If not the obvious like Tom said would be to talk to VIA direct.Sounds like the book is progressing nicely though,have you picked out your pictures for it yet?Gunns The pictures do look good sorry if I hadn't mentioned that before. I wonder if VIA would sell or donate ( no it's a [censored] gov agency ) some Budd cars to your cause. They seem to love thier new Eurotrash so who knows a park car and a couple of coaches, dinner,and baggage might be grabable for bottom dollar prices.Tom thanks for the link, looks like an interesting museum.I'll try to post a bio story soon. It's not all that interesting.If I post one though the rest of you need to as well. That could be passengerAl's next book. the life and Times of" "Our Place". PassengerAl I'm curious did pullman lease any cars to CN or CP. You alway's see models of the Palace cars painted for both up here but I don't recall ever seeing any shots of real life Pullmans in canadian service. Well gents pleasant evening. Rob
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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:59 AM
Good Morning All Just time for a Coffee & Danish before I get back to the Tome.
Trolleyboy, You asked a queation about Pullman leased cars to Canada. From what I have been able to gather only the CN had postwar cars that were in Pullman lease. Most of these cars ran in International service such as the through CN / GTW trains from Toronto to Chicago, CN / GN Super Continental - Winnipeg Limited between Vancouver and St. Paul or as the through cars in the Maple Leaf of the CN / CNJ between Toronto and New York or as through cars in the Washingtonian- Montrealer between Montreal and Vancouver via the CN / CV / NYNH&H / PRR.. All of the streamlined cars were Pullman Standard built in 1954 as follows.
delivered January February 1954 8-Duplex Roomette 4 Section 4-Double Bedroom cars 1120 ELCOTT, 1121 ELDERBANK, 1122 EXCELSIOR, 1123 ELGIN, 1124 ELIZABETH, 1125 ELLERSLIE, 1126 ELLISTON, and 1127 ELMIRA
delivered April 1954 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom cars 1162 GREEN POINT, 1163 GREENMOUNT, 1164 GREEN BROOK, 1165 GREEN COURT, 1166 GREENING, 1167 GREEN CABIN, 1168 GREENSHIELDS, 1169 GREEN BUSH, 1170 GREENFIELD, 1171 GREEN HARBOUR, 1172 GREEN HILL, 1173 GREEN LANE, 1174 GREENVIEW, 1175 GREENVALE, and 1176 GREENWAY
delivered in May 1954 10-Roomette 5- Double Bedroom 2022 BUCKLEY BAY, 2023 HUDSON BAY, 2024 CHALEUR BAY and 2025 GLACE BAY
also delivered in May 1954 2-Double Bedroom 2-Compartment Buffet 25-Seat Lounge Cars 1086 CAPE CANSO, 1087 CAPE BRETON, 1088 CAPE CHIGNECTO, and 1089 CAPE TORMENTINE.
Hope this helps. I would have to go to storage locker to find out about the heavyweights that were in International service;.
Hope that helps Passengerfan Al
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:15 AM
Thank you West Coast S, its also a pleasure to "meet your acquaintance," I'm sure. Tom please "set up the bar" for all present. Make mine an Irish Coffee, if you will please, but minus the whipping cream. I can relate to the lack of publications specific to S scale/guage. Belive it or not, (early in HO publications) there was a disparity of data on passenger cars while freight enjoyed top priority and Traction was almost a "sub culture." Old man Walthers (Wm. K) catalog was about the only "oasis" in the desert.[tup] Right now, I'm having the opposite problem. Yesterday, I went shopping for digital photo gear and [within an hour] my head was swimming in mountainous waves of cyber statistics that would challenge a young Enrico Ferme![V] My own fault for being so lethargic for so long![:I]

Anyhoo, I needed to at least, prove the varasity of the reports on my humble modeling efforts.[:-^] So, I did the unthinkable![:O] Right, I transferred some old pics to a C.D. at Wal Mart and will attempt to get them to Post a.s.a.p.! Yes I know, the end result will be somewhere between a Brownie Box camera and Edison's "Vita Phone" but until I'm "in the saddle," it will do for now. Okay, thanks Tom, I trust you are coping with our resident enigma (Boris) with a minimum of hair loss and property damage.[alien]
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:12 AM
TUESDAY’s SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS (edited)

G’day! It’s raining here in mid-continent USA – finally getting that much needed water for our oh so dry soil and greenery. Nice steady stuff, nothing severe (yet). Ahhhhhhhh, the sound of rain on the roof is almost as relaxing as the clickety clack of steel wheels on steel tracks! I said ALMOST![swg]

BIRTHDAY BASH for *** this FRIDAY at 9 AM, CDST

Editorial Comment: I’m always astounded at how easy it is to fall into the trap of believing everyone is on the same page when it comes to communications on these forums – not just this thread. How many simply do not take the time to acquaint themselves with what the subject is about nor to review the posts prior to submitting one. Astounding – simply astounding.

Okay, here’s the SUMMARY without many of the smilies, graphics and photo’s …..

QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 09:01:04
Morning all, drinks are on me all day,

I finished my annual alignment, on my UPS.

Rob that's a great looking motor, can I talk you in to coming down for our cab? Lotsa green and red Chili here.....

Ted Model work is in many ways harder than what we are doing, creating a feel of the prototype is surprisingly hard, perspective can be really hard. <I used to "Cheat" I took slides of house or car interiors and would mount them in the windows of a car or structure, and backlight them>

Hey Ya'll a Question? what kind of coaches are appropriate to the 2926? The club is looking to obtain a pair of coaches, for day trips, and mabye a buffet car. While we are still 5 or 6 years away from operations, we want to start keeping our eyes open. We all ready have a "troop sleeper" and a hospital kitchen car, <pics when I get home>, Heavy cars are OK as we need the braking power. Santa Fe Green? Or silver sides? or what.....

Later
Gunns


QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 09:53:30
Morning everyone.

Tom If I could just have coffee and a selection of the bakery fine pastries, or perhaps one of Ted's delights would work as well. I'm not sure of the spelling of them either so i won't even attempt it.

Ted S-37 is a snow sweeper actually, in the before picture ( one outside in the yard ) you will just be ably to see the front sweep broom ( bellow the coupler ) 55 is an ex Toronto Civic car, it's double ended and a hand brake car to boot ( no air brakes ) it's a lively car to ride on, it bobs about quite a bit. Sadly she needs major truck and resister grid rebuilds right now and is a static display only. She's basically an all wood car save for the truck 1915 Preston car and coach built.

Gunns I think the heavy weight greens would be your best bet passenger car wise if you can find any. Though I suppose you could go with the stainless in a pinch. Heck it's a big enough locomotive why not a selection of both. As to me coming down I'd love to see your efforts, as a worker I'm just the tool getting sanding guy. Though if you fire off an email to the museum http://www.hcry.org some of our more seasoned (read skilled members ) may want to help. Remembering that our area of expertise is streetcars and electric rolling stock but I suppose woodwork is wood work and welding is welding as it were.

Well guys it's almost lunchtime here and I'm off to work this afternoon. Those in the menace's path as Ted put stay dry and safe. I'm putting out this picture as well. Likely more inetrest to Ted but this is 55's sister #57 as rebuilt as a railgrinder in the 60's. She has airbrakes and was rebuilt with single end controls also bus type windows and metal clading were built in over the existing tongue and groove wood. The extra weight makes her track better. Though in my opinion she is a less attractive car.Much easier to operate Have a good day everybody. Rob


QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 09:54:32
Back and home,
And I want a cold one.

Now Pixs,
This was a hospital kitchen car that was gutted by an asbestos abatment contractor, It will probably end up as our tool car.
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aao

This was a WWII era "Troop Sleeper" that was converted to a Missile command car, and still has thae A/C and Gen set on board, we will probably make it in to a crew sleeper for excursion crews <ya need 3 sets of Engineer and Fireman for long trips>
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aap

We plan to paint them as AT&SF express cars, and couple them right behind the loco.

Ahhh, Carbonated Malt Beverage,
Gunns


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 10:25:18
Mornin' Gunns Appreciate your stopping by ..... [tup]
Checked out your pix ... nice. If I missed it previously, sorry - but - how did your organization acquire these cars [?]

As far as coaches go, I think heavyweights would be the best. Colors? Green and perhaps a brown/maroon one - just to add a bit of contrast.

That ends my [2c] worth!

Okay, Boris you heard the man - fire up the bell and keep 'er going, drinks on Gunns all day!

Tom


QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 10:32:19
Tom the kitchen car was donated by Sandia labs, as was <I think> the command car, we also have a Caboose
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aaq
But it is completely gutted in side, altho we have a set of new <unused> roller bearing trucks for it.
Gunns

Hey Gunns Thanx for the info,and of course URL …. Somewhere on these pages I posted my thoughts about someday having a Caboose in my back yard (along with an RDC – a Budd observation dome [Park car] and ……..) [swg] Oh wouldn’t the subdivision trustees love it! [:-,]
Tom

QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 10:37:44
Morning' Rob - Help yourself to the goodies; all fresh from The Mentor Village Bakery .....

Email received and replied to .... Thanx!

Should you decide to come to the states one day, plan on taking the non-stop to St. Louis with Air Canada. From here you can head anywhere else you'd like .... Aside from the Can-Am trainroom, HO, O and S layouts , we have the Museum of Transportation about 10 miles from where I live. Check it out:

http://www.museumoftransport.org/

One day, I hope you'll tell us all about how you began with your interersts in trolley cars. All of us have at least one story that can provide the background ...... really would appreciate it if you'd compose yours and put it out for all the regulars to enjoy!

Tom


QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 14:19:55
Gunns, Al here just have one question about the cars donated by Sandia labs do they glow in the dark Just Kidding.


QUOTE: Trainnut484 Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 16:00:58
G'afternoon all. I'll have a cold tall draft from the tap.

Kevin- great pics of the locomotive, plates, tool car and caboose . I couldn't see the number or lettering in the caboose picture, but is the lettering on the side ATSF or AT&SF? ATSF would be appropriate for lettering from 1943 until retirement. Lightweight cars are also a good choice to put behind the 2926. You can do it your way on Ebay...sorry I had to put that "jingle" in there lol. Seriously, I wouldn't consider buying a passenger car on Ebay unless it's for real and there's no other alternative.

Tom, my wife and I had a good time at the Museum of Transportation in Kirkwood a couple of years ago. Hopefully by now they have things a little bit more organized as in equipment placement. Is the Rendezvous in Toronto for May 12 next year? Is that a weekend? I don't have a map handy right now.

Ted, your welcome on the digital camera help. Can't wait to see pics of Union Station. I don't understand the reference to "Cliff Drive" though

Better hop off the stool and get other things done.

Take care,
Russell


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 16:44:01
Permanent Stool holder are those members who have demonstrated their willingness to participate in the information sharing AND nonsense associated with "Our" Place. Those members are expected to at least say hello to the Proprietor and bar keep when stopping by! [:(!]

So, passengerfan Al WHO could I possibly be referring to[?][:O]

Tom


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 16:56:41
G'day Trainnut484 Russell ..... One cold draught comin' right up!

The FIRST ANNUAL “OUR” PLACE CLASSIC TRAINS RENDEZVOUS for the gang has been set for May 12th (Friday), 2006 in Toronto. Suggest you look at today's SUMMARY for the details ...... Send me an Email if you have other questions regarding this. We really want to keep that type of dialogue on a one-on-one basis and off of cyber space.

The Museum of Transport here in St. Louis County has had somewhat of a leadership fluctuation over the years. I'm hardly an expert nor a frequent visitor - but I do read the papers! Anyway, my guess is that your visit may have coincided with one of those down periods when they suffered along with a young person with NO experience whatsoever in the top leadership role. My understanding is that has changed for the better and things are definitely far better. Nevertheless, a very impressive collection and a hard working bunch of volunteers.

By the way, those F units look great! Love that war bonnet livery! [tup][tup]

Tom


QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 17:16:07
Sorry Tom just took a quick breather from book and apologize for the lack of manners.
How about the usual and a round for the house. I am making good progress on book so hate to even leave it for a minute when I get in a good writing mood.
The areas of book that I am able to complete I'm going ahead with and those areas I am waiting for info on I am just leaving for now. Tome stands at 275 pages now and hope it will take less than 20 more to complete.
Just in case anyone happens to know I still need the original startup dates for the Acela trains? Everything else seems to be falling in place.
Well will close for now thx for the rap on the knuckles Tom I need it every once in a while.


QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 17:19:14
Well all right, this is the way "Our" Place "ought-be-hittin'-all-da-time!" Today: we be like a Club Car when when everybody be "playin' the same tune!" Hmm-HMM!
Gunns anything for the #2926 will work from Santa Fe heavy weights (olive drab, picture window, open girder) coaches to Budd "fluted, stainless light weights" will do. Even the old G. I. Hospital Cars and "Kitchen Cars" can happen... take your pick. Just don't forget my "Georgia 300" (lease) will bring up the rear. Oh, BTW Kevin, how many MIG 22's did you bring down today?

Tom and Dave in regard to "S" gau, have you guys looked into "Model Railroad News?" This "Rag" (Monthly) seems to carry more than most for 3/16" modelers, along with "G," HO, ON3, "O," et al. I'm a subscriber for over a year now; I like it!

Where the Sam Hill is , Nick? The 3 bushels of Blue Fin Chesapeake Bay Maryland Crabs went so rancid that Boris had a "steam bake" for his "Rom" Clan. Okay, I gotta went, the Urban Renewal Bureaucrats are after last year's contract commitments...what a nerve![zzz] Happy rails all.


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 19:25:07

G'day passengerfan Al - Look, it's quite simple 'round here - come through those doors and head for YOUR stool! That should be memory crutch enough to remember where it came from! [swg]That's me - barkeep - knuckle rapper - and what did *** call me last week[?] - ah yes, housekeep!

That start up for Acela shouldn't be so tough to find and I'm sorry if it sounds so elementary - but how about contacting Amtrak[?] It's their train after all!

Ring the bell, Boris, the round is on Al[tup]

Tom


QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 19:29:11
Afternoon Tom and the gang...I decide to say low this weekend and catch up some chores and review some new DVDs I purchased which brings me to my next topic.

The DVD SP 1941 has a shot of the City of San Francisco with E2 A-B-B power but the kicker is the lower skirt and truck color. The skirts and trucks are wearing a coat of Leaf Brown while the roof is Harbor Mist Gray over Armour Yellow. I thought I was pretty famiiar with UP/SP schemes but this one is the first example I've encountered with this mix. Perhaps passengerfan Al can impart his wisdom. By this time UP had abandoned Leaf brown , guess Pullman didn't get the change order!

Glad to meet your acquaintance Theodorebear, not only am I acquainted with Model Railroad News, I do believe I derided the editor in front of a crowd of hundreds during a convention several years ago. For the life of me I can't recall what got me in a tither, he got off easy compared to those membership greedy bloodsucking NMRA folks.[soapbox] Maybe its time to bury the hatchet and atone for past sins and adopt a be kind to those that cover S attitude , not too many of us out there.

Tom,gang sorry I missed Nick's party, a good time was had by all no doubt, so Nick a belated [#birthday] and a couple of drinks on me .

Tom.
Boris I fear has taken off with the Johnny Walker Black label again, I keep finding evidence of him having frequented the underside of the pool table, no other details need be provided .If you can retrieve a fresh bottle , I'd be forever in your grace.

Dave


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 19:40:34
Evening Ted
How I WISH we could hit on all bangers - just getting the regulars to read what's been posted is becoming a nightmare. I still have several overdue responses to questions out there. [yeah] I know - my problem. [tdn] However, today is a better day than some in the recent past ........ [tup]

I'll check out that magazine you mentioned next time I'm at my LHS ...... thanx. There was a magazine especially made for S-gaugers, S Gaugian. I'm not a subscriber, nor am I sure they are still in business, but have some issues in my collection. This is or was probably THE magazine for those who prefer the 1:64 scale.

Nick[?] [yeah] C'mon back - buy a new computer - go to a library or cyber store and log on - do something! [swg]

Tom


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 19:48:15
Evening West Coast S Dave
Don't know what you've been drinking or smoking out there on the left coast [swg] but we didn't have a party for Nick. Checking out the SUMMARIES lately[?] Also, the Birthday Watch List[?] Argggggggggggh. [censored][banghead]

Sure would love to hear the story about your rant with the magazine editor .......

One bottle of Johnny Walker Black comin' up ........ ice with that[tup] [;)]

Tom


QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 20:01:22
Well darn, aren't I the one with egg on my face [?]I know someone, somewhere had a BD, now who? ..Must be that Southern California freeway exhaust seeping into my underground bunker, yeh that's it[banghead]. Easy ice, no Boris with that Black if you could.. For those who are into it, the S Gaugian is still available as well as 1/64th digest and a few others, including proto64 modeling.

Dave


QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 21:37:28
Good evening all Well I will give up writing this evening and have a sociable drink or two. So barkeep how about a double crown royal with water chaser. And don't forget a round for the house.
West Coast S About your question on the Leaf brown. You may be right it was just overlooked by Pullman or their is the possibility that Pullman was just going to use up the remaining leaf brown they had and the skirting was repainted in Chicago after every trip so could not have lasted to long. Pullman was not one to waste anything look at the years of service they got from their blankets alone. Pullman was very tough on their sub contractors and expected certain longevity guarantees out of these suppliers and did not hesitate to find another subcontractor when a product or service did not live up to implied promises. Remember most of the Pullman cars were built in the days of handshakes and not paper contracts for subcontractors. But Pullman themselves when dealing with the railroads used tons of paper for their contracts and their legal department dotted all of the I's and crossed all of the T's.
The one time where things changed on a new passenger car contract was the massive C&O order where eventually a number of cars were canceled and others went directly to other roads never wearing C&O paint. Although I understand the C&O purchased a large number of Hoppers for coal in exchange for the changes and partial cancellation of passenger cars.


QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 23:03:18
Good evening gentlefolks. Tom I think I'll have a quick Keith,s if you don't mind. Your latest email has been read and replied to.

Westcoast I know what you mean about those NMRA types. I haven't had much use for them since the[censored] mockery they made of the 2003 convention in Toronto.

passengerAl Just wondering was bytown able to help you out with your LRC questions? If not the obvious like Tom said would be to talk to VIA direct.Sounds like the book is progressing nicely though, have you picked out your pictures for it yet?

Gunns The pictures do look good sorry if I hadn't mentioned that before. I wonder if VIA would sell or donate ( no it's a [censored]gov agency ) some Budd cars to your cause. They seem to love their new Eurotrash so who knows a park car and a couple of coaches, diner,and baggage might be grabable for bottom dollar prices.

Tom thanks for the link, looks like an interesting museum. I'll try to post a bio story soon. It's not all that interesting. If I post one though the rest of you need to as well. That could be passengerAl's next book. the life and Times of" "Our Place".

PassengerAl I'm curious did pullman lease any cars to CN or CP. You alway's see models of the Palace cars painted for both up here but I don't recall ever seeing any shots of real life Pullmans in Canadian service. Well gents pleasant evening. Rob

It would be fun to visit the Museum of Transportation with someone who appreciates the collection they have ………Oh, sorry – but I’m going to be the author of the book you suggested. One has to read and be conversant with all aspects of ”Our” Place, wouldn’t you agree[?] Who better than the Proprietor[?] Nice idea ……. [tup] Wonder how many copies would sell[?] [swg]

Email received and answered. Thanx!
Tom

QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 12 July 2005, 06:59:44
Good Morning All Just time for a Coffee & Danish before I get back to the Tome.

Trolleyboy, You asked a question about Pullman leased cars to Canada. From what I have been able to gather only the CN had postwar cars that were in Pullman lease. Most of these cars ran in International service such as the through CN / GTW trains from Toronto to Chicago, CN / GN Super Continental - Winnipeg Limited between Vancouver and St. Paul or as the through cars in the Maple Leaf of the CN / CNJ between Toronto and New York or as through cars in the Washingtonian- Montrealer between Montreal and Vancouver via the CN / CV / NYNH&H / PRR.. All of the streamlined cars were Pullman Standard built in 1954 as follows.
delivered January February 1954 8-Duplex Roomette 4 Section 4-Double Bedroom cars 1120 ELCOTT, 1121 ELDERBANK, 1122 EXCELSIOR, 1123 ELGIN, 1124 ELIZABETH, 1125 ELLERSLIE, 1126 ELLISTON, and 1127 ELMIRA
delivered April 1954 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom cars 1162 GREEN POINT, 1163 GREENMOUNT, 1164 GREEN BROOK, 1165 GREEN COURT, 1166 GREENING, 1167 GREEN CABIN, 1168 GREENSHIELDS, 1169 GREEN BUSH, 1170 GREENFIELD, 1171 GREEN HARBOUR, 1172 GREEN HILL, 1173 GREEN LANE, 1174 GREENVIEW, 1175 GREENVALE, and 1176 GREENWAY delivered in May 1954 10-Roomette 5- Double Bedroom 2022 BUCKLEY BAY, 2023 HUDSON BAY, 2024 CHALEUR BAY and 2025 GLACE BAY also delivered in May 1954 2-Double Bedroom 2-Compartment Buffet 25-Seat Lounge Cars 1086 CAPE CANSO, 1087 CAPE BRETON, 1088 CAPE CHIGNECTO, and 1089 CAPE TORMENTINE.

Hope this helps. I would have to go to storage locker to find out about the heavyweights that were in International service;.

Hope that helps Passengerfan Al


QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 12 July 2005, 07:15:46
Thank you West Coast S, its also a pleasure to "meet your acquaintance," I'm sure. Tom please "set up the bar" for all present. Make mine an Irish Coffee, if you will please, but minus the whipping cream. I can relate to the lack of publications specific to S scale/gauge. Believe it or not, (early in HO publications) there was a disparity of data on passenger cars while freight enjoyed top priority and Traction was almost a "sub culture." Old man Walthers (Wm. K) catalog was about the only "oasis" in the desert. Right now, I'm having the opposite problem. Yesterday, I went shopping for digital photo gear and [within an hour] my head was swimming in mountainous waves of cyber statistics that would challenge a young Enrico Ferme! My own fault for being so lethargic for so long!

Anyhoo, I needed to at least, prove the varasity of the reports on my humble modeling efforts. So, I did the unthinkable! Right, I transferred some old pics to a C.D. at Wal Mart and will attempt to get them to Post a.s.a.p.! Yes I know, the end result will be somewhere between a Brownie Box camera and Edison's "Vita Phone" but until I'm "in the saddle," it will do for now. Okay, thanks Tom, I trust you are coping with our resident enigma (Boris) with a minimum of hair loss and property damage.

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That’s it for now! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo)
Proprietor of “Our” Place


Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by Gunns on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:04 AM
Hi All,
It's my Sat, <G> and I have some time.
A tall Pilzner Bitte.

Passengerfan The cars dont glow but there is this black box on the frame now......<G>

Theodorbear Dem jets arn't in here.... I "Got" a Me262, the other day, I was in my "Jug" a P47-D25, the Gomer zoomed up in front of me and just hung there...... gotta love them 8 .50s. As for the Georgia, we would be proud to pull that one. The wife and I are kinda thinking of findin a car to fit up into a vacation home, but the rules Amtrac has for pulling them are tough, of course we will have access to our War Baby......

Every one thanks for the car info, with such a wide selection, I'll let the other members do the picking.

Trainnut484 I Think I'll run down to the storage site, and shoot some pics of the cabbose, and put them up....

Ahhh Breakfast,
Gunns
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:25 AM
Morning Gunns - Well if it's your Saturday then how about some steak 'n eggs[?] We can make an exception to the light breakfast fare around here - I'm close to the Proprietor. [;)]

With all this talk of restorations, museums and vintage rail cars, I think I'll schedule a trip over to the Museum of Transport one morning next week. Predictions of rain - some heavy - for the remainder of this week, will keep me home.

Have to get on with the landscaping work for my S-gauge layout. Now that the wiring is done, I'm concentrating on building up the terrain. Can't go too high, for this layout gets stored up in the basement joists - 4-point hoist system. If you haven't done so, why not check out the photo's on my site[?] http://www.railimages.com/gallery/thomasweber - then go to page 5.

Enjoy the day and thanx for stopping by! [tup] [;)]
Tom
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo

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