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Posted by Gunns on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:01 AM
Morning all,
Coffee n Pastrey here,
Im off to another work day, going to try to figure out a replacement for the wrought iron I need for the bell clapper. also I need to make the adapter for our impact wrench so it can be used to open the siphon inspection ports.

Ahh good pastery, later all.
Gunns
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:45 AM
WEDNESDAY’s SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS (edited)

Good Morning All ……. Mid-week once again and it’s time for another great day here at ”Our” Place. Had quite a few interesting posts yesterday as business picked up a bit …… [tup]

Reminder for all: Birthday Bash for *** this Friday at 9 AM, CDST! Let’s try to get logged on as close to that time as possible in order to catch the man live! [yeah]

To the SUMMARY

QUOTE: Gunns
Posted: 12 July 2005, 10:04:27

Hi All,
It's my Sat, <G> and I have some time.
A tall Pilzner Bitte.

Passengerfan The cars don’t glow but there is this black box on the frame now......<G>

Theodorbear Dem jets aren't in here.... I "Got" a Me262, the other day, I was in my "Jug" a P47-D25, the Gomer zoomed up in front of me and just hung there...... gotta love them 8 .50s. As for the Georgia, we would be proud to pull that one. The wife and I are kinda thinking of findin a car to fit up into a vacation home, but the rules Amtrak has for pulling them are tough, of course we will have access to our War Baby......

Every one thanks for the car info, with such a wide selection, I'll let the other members do the picking.

Trainnut484 I Think I'll run down to the storage site, and shoot some pics of the caboose, and put them up....

Ahhh Breakfast,
Gunns


QUOTE: siberianmo
Posted: 12 July 2005, 10:25:51

Morning Gunns - Well if it's your Saturday then how about some steak 'n eggs[?] We can make an exception to the light breakfast fare around here - I'm close to the Proprietor.

With all this talk of restorations, museums and vintage rail cars, I think I'll schedule a trip over to the Museum of Transport one morning next week. Predictions of rain - some heavy - for the remainder of this week, will keep me home.

Have to get on with the landscaping work for my S-gauge layout. Now that the wiring is done, I'm concentrating on building up the terrain. Can't go too high, for this layout gets stored up in the basement joists - 4-point hoist system. If you haven't done so, why not check out the photo's on my site[?] http://www.railimages.com/gallery/thomasweber - then go to page 5.

Enjoy the day and thanx for stopping by!
Tom


QUOTE: earlydiesels
Posted: 12 July 2005, 10:58:04

Hello everyone. I will take a cold, bottomless draught, please. Tom, I have been reading the threads and the summaries but haven’t felt like responding. Sometimes I just like to watch and not speak. Dad said I'd learn more that way.
The Midland is about 35 miles SW of the Kansas City metro area. Take I35 south to the Gardner exit then take 56 highway to Baldwin City. Just drive to the elevator when you get to town and look for the signs.
Good to hear of a passenger car being preserved-especially a Harriman RPO. Any kind of passenger car is hard to find these days, regardless of condition. If they can be found, they will be expensive
.
QUOTE: siberianmo
Posted: 12 July 2005, 11:49:09

Hello earlydiesels Dan Good to see you again and I'm happy to know that someone out there is reading this stuff!

About the only thing I recall my father passing on to me was something like, If you don't ask 'em first, they can't say no!

This isn't a bad place to sit and listen - especially with old Juke back there playing some of those great train songs we've loaded up on. Check 'em out - drop a few quarters in from that jar sitting on the little table next to the Juke - 5 plays for a quarter - can't beat that with a stick.

By the by - this coming Friday is the BIRTHDAY BASH for *** at 9 AM CDST So, I hope to see you as close to that time as possible.

Ready for 'nother one[?]
Tom


QUOTE: earlydiesels
Posted: 12 July 2005, 14:10:26

Back again. I'll take on appetizer and a cold brew to wash it down with, Tom. I'll stroll over to the jukebox and see just exactly what is on it. I am in the mood for something out of the ordinary. Any recommendations?
For those interested, the Midland is enduring the annual Thomas The Tank Engine event and will not have regular service until 23 July. Don't take me wrong-- Thomas is a great income source but the logistics and the planning and the volunteer hours are just exhausting! The past 3 times we have had Thomas, I have been (real) engineer but this time we have decided to sit this one out. The first year, I did not have a fireman and did not leave the cab until days end! I have observed that we have some volunteers that help only during special events(especially if the media are present) and these same people are nonexistent the rest of the time. These people are welcome to help now. When it is 100degrees out with 100% humidity these people are nowhere to be found. I personally enjoy regular events more than the special events. I have more of a chance to visit and help folks enjoy their time here. With Thomas, we give 25 minute rides and back at the depot, passengers detrain on one side and entrain on the other. From the cab, it resembles a livestock auction.
Another cold brew, please. One special event we have is where we open up the restored KCS RPO car and have retired postal clerks ride and answer questions. They sell postcards with special RPO markings that are ready to be used. It's interesting to think most mail used to be sorted in these cars years ago.
On the local front, our museum received an old baggage cart for display. We are going to have it sandblasted and then we will repaint it. No one seems to know the exact shades of paint, though. Any answers from our knowledgeable group?? I am supposed to write up a easy to read description of our loco for display to be seen from the front gate. I haven’t started yet but it shouldn’t take very long to write.


QUOTE: siberianmo
Posted: 12 July 2005, 14:59:38
Afternoon, earlydiesels Dan A rainy day here in Mentor Village, just a stones throw from the CP yard and right down the road from that all female university that Cindy teaches at ....... wonder what she teaches[?]

Your comments regarding volunteers brings back many memories of decades past. It really is pretty much across the board when it comes to motives for many people when they volunteer. While my offerings of free time haven't been with railroading, I have done the responsible thing when it came to Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, youth baseball and serving as a police officer with my local PD. Of course, the longest tour of volunteerism for me lasted 32 years - and that was with the U.S. Coast Guard on active duty. But, that's not what either of us are talking about ........

It never failed that when the chips were down the same few people always showed up to take up the slack with whatever the duties. I got involved with baseball when I signed up one of my boys, only to find out that the team couldn't be in the league unless someone signed on as Manager. Guess who[?] Then my youngest son announced that his Cub Pack was about to fold up because they didn't have ANY Den Mothers. So, guess what happened[?] I became a Den Mother - and this was back in the days BEFORE our society considered itself enlightened or whatever the term is used these days! As an Eagle Scout and all of that, it really wasn't a hard thing for me, but it kinda ticked me off to think that the Pack absolutely would've fallen apart if it hadn't have been for a couple of guys who came to the rescue and eventually shamed the gals into taking over the jobs. Crazy, huh? Then of course the Boy Scouts always needed someone, usually at the last moment, to drive the boys to a campout AND stay the night ...... etc., etc., etc. It truly never bothered me to do these things, for my boys were involved and as a kid, someone did it for me. The thing that DID get to me, was the same people, over and over, always had the excuses, and the same people, over and over, always did the work. Ain't that the way it goes[?] Some you win, some you lose, and others are rained out!

Hey Boris set 'em up ...... this is all [#offtopic]- and, oh [yeah]ring the bell!

Tunes on the Juke[?] One thing nice about a cyber bar 'n grill, you'll find exactly what you're looking for .......... and, you can't beat the price!

Enjoy the day!
Tom


QUOTE: wrwatkins
Posted: 12 July 2005, 15:24:37

Good afternoon, Y'all. Another hot one in Big D today. Tom, if you have a big glass please fill it up with the cold bubbly stuff (NOT champagne!). I see it cropped up again-my referring to Tom as Housekeep. I guess I will never live that one down. I bet that I will take a ribbing for it on Friday at nine. Do not let me drink during our meeting on Friday. My wife has invited several neighbors in to celebrate the big 65. I do not think it would be cool to arrive home under the alfluence of incohol.

Think that management here is trying to tell me something and I might be too dumb to pick up on it. Two weeks ago they sent me to Libya. Next week they are sending me to London where I will have to ride the Underground. And to top it all off they booked me into a hotel in the Belgravia area that is owned by an Arab company. Are they trying to tell me something???

Please do not take this next comment as demeaning to the poor souls who were hurt or killed in the bomb blasts. I mean no disrespect to their memory. Well--here goes. The radical Arabs did not set the bombs. It was the French and they did it because they are mad about looosing the 2012 Olympics.

Enough sick humor. Back to the subject of this pub. Has anyone been to Alaska and rode on the cruise lines train cars to Denali that they tie on to the end of the Alaska RR passenger trains? I have not had that pleasure, but have seen the cars. They are built by Colorado Rail Car outside Denver and are BEAUTIFUL. Bob Raiders, the CEO of Colorail Car is my friend and he has brought the cars to several conventions to showcase them. They are plush!!! Malacite panels, etched glass, great bar, two observation decks (it is a bilevel car) with an elevator to the upper level. All this for less than $3 million. Think I will buy a couple for personal use (Note to Bob Raiders-Do not try to cash my check!) I tried to purchase one for Trinity Railway Express to use as a bar car on the rush hour train to Fort Worth while I was on the DART board. Could not get it over due to budgetary poroblems and the concerns of the *&^%$ agency lawyers.

This may be considered heresy by Tom, but there is an interesting thread on the regular TRAINS forum dealing with restoring a GG-1 to service. Since I have rode behind one several times I would love to see this happen, but do not hold your breath.

Cheers,
***


QUOTE: siberianmo
Posted: 12 July 2005, 17:09:50

Howdy *** Was beginning to think we'd not see you until YOUR Birthday Bash this Friday at 9 AM CDST!

How about a nice tall frosty mug of Texas Pride[?] Just happen to have a case of 'em in long necks, regular & light, of course!

In this day and age, all kidding aside, trying to attach a motive to such a horrendus act simply cannot rule out any plausible lead. You're not hurting MY feellngs one bit regarding those people on the Continent who have backup lights on their military vehicles for a reason ..........

GG1's[?] My FAVORITE loco's of all time. Rode behind a few of 'em myself and loved to watch 'em pull into the station. Great engines. Have a Pennsy in Tuscan and one in Brunswick Green, both with 5 stripes - in my retired HO display cases. Ahhhhhhh, those were the days.

Custom built railcars - now that would be my dream - just to have something like that. I'd go for a refurbished more modern one though. Since my preference lies with the Budd stainless steel beauties, mine would be the observation dome (ie: VIA Rail Park car) - oh could I have fun redesigning it to my specs ........ Now all I've got to do is lline up the funding. I suppose I could raise the prices 'round here! [tdn] Nah .........

Glad you stopped by and hope you'll come back at least one more time before YOUR big day!

Tom


QUOTE: barndad
Posted: 12 July 2005, 17:17:24

Hi all!

I've been reading this thread for quite some time, but have never posted. It's been interesting to find out more about the people who are here, as well as learning more about trains in general. When I saw the posts about Thomas and volunteerism, I decided it was time to jump in. I left my credit card at the cash register to cover the 1st round.
I am a new volunteer on the Steam Team at the Illinois Railway Museum in Union Illinois. We're workin on a number of projects, including the restoration of a 1900 Baldwin Consolidation (UP428). Saturdays are when most of our volunteer time is logged, and only a handful make it to the shop more than once a week. We could literally use hundreds of more volunteers even if all our rolling stock was 100% restored. We probably have another 100 years worth of projects that need doing.
Siberianmo has noticed the same thing as me when it comes to volunteers. Wherever volunteers are used, whether it be church, scouts, or sports, there is always a handful of people who do the bulk of the work, and you see these same people wherever you go.
By the way, what used to be known as "Den Mothers", are now "Den Leaders", and this position is no longer considered a woman’s job. As a matter of fact, the Cubmaster position is no longer reserved for men. There are very few professional Scouters in the Scouting structure. Almost everyone is a volunteer. As District Commissioner, it was always my pleasure to work with my fellow volunteers. Some of the finest people I have ever met, I met through Scouting. It was also no surprise to find these same outstanding and selfless individuals involved in other volunteer positions outside of Scouting. Even Volunteers who only show now and then are needed. The more hands you have, the more you can get done. Everyone should be encouraged to contribute.
We also have some Thomas Days, and it's my understanding that we pretty much get the bulk of our funding from this event. The actual event has been described to me as a zoo, but the kids love it, and we sure need the money! I'm also told we need every volunteer we can get. We even pay groups who aren't remotely affiliated with the Museum to fill these spots. I'll probably take some time from work to help this year. I'll let you know how it went!


QUOTE: siberianmo
Posted: 12 July 2005, 17:40:52


[#welcome]Aboard barndad - If you've been checking us out for awhile, then you know the first drink is on the house!

Part of the standard bill of fare must be repeated for all new customers -
We are an adult cyber bar 'n grill hoping to attract interest in Classic Trains real and model. We also like to have some fun while doing so ...... So, we've got quite a cast of characters around here .......

I encourage everyone who visits us to start at the beginning and when you get to the SUMMARIES check 'em out ........ a quicker way to get up to speed for sure.

We hope that our cyber bar 'n grill will be a stop off point for you and perhaps you'll become one of our regulars. No matter - you're welcome 'round here whenever you'd like .......

Regarding your comments, I'm up to speed with the Scouting program. With three Eagles in my family, it's hard not to keep up. I'm not at all in favor of uni-sex anything. But respect those who have different opinions. Time will be the ultimate judge, and I think we're seeing some not so favorable signs these days of this social experiment. I'm a "boys will be boys" kinda guy and will be so until it's my time for planting.

Okay, Boris ring the ding-dong Bell - drinks on the house for being [#offtopic].

Enjoy your visit!

Tom, Proprietor of "Our" Place



QUOTE: Gunns
Posted: 12 July 2005, 17:59:31

Ahh its cool in here, hi all!
Another tall one, I just got back from the photo run, pix on the way.
barndad do you have a Builders plate on your 2903? I am casting replacements for ours <the 2926> and if you have the plate I could use a pic, and if you don’t, I could change the pattern and make Ya'll a set. Your work number should be 69791, <it is cast in to the boiler steam dome on the front> also ours was a park engine for 40 years, and has been badly stripped of gauges and data plates, I also need a copy,/photo of the plate on the backhead that has the MWP on it. We are collecting a set of instruments, <already have the big dbl sided steam gauge> but picx would help in restoring the piping and handles. They even got our bell clapper..... and I need to find some wrought iron to make a new one.

photos....
Here is a closer shot of the caboose.
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aar

And the Missile command car.
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aas?full=1

Thies are the roller bearing trucks that will go to the caboose, and the ambulance kitchen car in the background, note the wide door, that will make it a good tool car.
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aau?full=1

Here is a shot of the back side of the kitchen.
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aat?full=1

And here is a shot of the trucks for the tender. <My CMO told me they weigh 22.5 tons not 11>
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aav

Somthing else I am hurting for will be the tech manuals fron the Army for our cars, it would help when we get to restoring them.

Thanks,
Gunns


QUOTE: Gunns
Posted: 12 July 2005, 18:06:42

Another bier,
Greetings Tom and Ya'll.

Yet another question <G>, What do I need to do to get certified as an Engineer? we are gonna need 6 or so in the club for extended runs, and I wanted to know where to start?

Gunns


QUOTE: siberianmo
Posted: 12 July 2005, 19:37:35

Evenin' Gunns Kevin Pull up one of those Reserved Stools for our Regular customers and sit a spell .......

We've got the Baseball All Star Game on all 3 of our large screen TV's ....... should be an enjoyable event.

Can't help ya with that Engineer Certification, unless of course a blessing from "Our" Place would help. I'm sure the Right Rev. Boris would certify you!

Enjoy!

Tom

QUOTE: trolleyboy
Posted: 12 Jul 2005, 23:09:53

Good evening everyone.First off Tom I think a Crown with a Black label chaser.Glad that you got your rain we are still waiting.We have had only 10mm since the 16th of June [#welcome]To barndad another museum volunteer to boot As has been said already you do get a dedicated few to man most things. Our museum's membership is well over 400 members but only the board and the dedicated core are around likely 40 or so. In our case we have members that literally span the globe, so in many cases distance allows some to only be around once or twice a year if at all. We certainly have enough projects to keep as going till the second coming as well.

early The Thomas events are great number boosters. We have been trying to get a three day weekend at the museum but the logistics are a nightmare. For starters we would likely have to build one ourselves as our track gauge is not standard. The museum is set for TTC gauge which is unfortunately broader 4'107/8".Instead we do two night Halloween shows in which we turn two of our carbarns into haunted houses, great fun for the kiddies and we usually see 1500-2000 people over the two shows.

gunns Good pictures again sir The only suggestion I have for your engineering qualifications i would think would be to check your transportation regulators. There has to be a specified course. Won't likely be cheap however. Up here Transport Canada would handle these type of inquiries as they are the rule enforcers. With our museum we use our own training program it's home designed but is based on general rail rules as well as general safety / common sense type stuff. We use a graduated licensing system where you right a rules test ( 90% to pass ) rewritten every three years. Then oncar training starting with the easier { Peter Whitt's } then onto 327 the open handbrake car then to the PCC's and after that you move onto the train brake cars ( interurbans )You have two road tests one for probationary status then the second for your perm. status on each vehicle. The usual demerrit point system if one screws up etc. Sounds daunting but when you have a carload of passengers everything MUST be perfect.

Al A usual cpmplete above and beyond answer thank-you It's nice to see that there was some Pullmans up here. Makes sense that they ran on the US subsidiaries.

Ted Didn't want to leave you out. I'm waiting to praise your modeling efforts. As a side i have won an Ebay auction for an old uncle Walthers single truck double ended street car. 60's vintage. It looks like it was a loose model of a safety car of some kind. Double ended to boot. I'll post a pic or two when I pick it up.( waiting at th4 post office as we speak but I have to go run the real thing tomorrow so I won't grab it till tomorrow night. Have a good night everyone. Rob


QUOTE: trolleyboy
Posted: 12 Jul 2005, 23:29:01

I just noticed that I did miss a couple people.

Tom So it's you that's going to be writing the book. That's fine I'm sure Al won't mind helping you edit and scale back to less than a thousand pages; I know that Boris has expressed an interest in helping you cut and paste the pictures( you know how he likes paste. caught him spreading a glue stick on some toast again)

*** I have liked the GG1's from afar bit big for my taste but certainly an attractive unit. Which one is possibly undergoing this transformation? Don't count out it being done. Money might be all that could hold it up. Electric railway equipment is tuff and rugged, you would be surprised what can be restored and operated. Electrics are much simpler beasts than steam or diesel. That cruise sounded interesting I not gone as far north as Alaska. Prince George BC is my highpoint that and Moose Factory in Ontario. One of my fav cruise locations is in central Ontario at Gravenhurst. The Muskoka Steamship society run the 186 year old RMS Segwun and a new Diesel powered mate they built themselves in 2002 the RMS Wenonah 2. Dinner dance and siteseeing cruises on all three Muskoka Lakes. Traveling on the Segwun is interesting in that she operates on a hand fired scotch boiler. Something else on a 215' steamer and shell still do her top speed of 16 knots! I was hoping to book us a cruise during the rendevous next year but they don't commence their season until mid june This is a shot of Wenonah tthey built her along the lines of the rest of the fleet so she looks like a turn of the century(20th)steamer herself. Along with the Segwun and the Eaton family steam yacht Wanda 3 Segwun is the only ship left of the Muskoka Fleet. Enjoy the shot.

Talk to you all tomorrow. Rob

As always, your posts are very inclusive and shows what this thread can really be like if one takes the time to read what others have to say. Thanx! [tup][;)]
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That’s it! [tup][;)]
Tom (Siberianmo)
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!


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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:29 PM
I just noticed that I did miss a couple people.Tom So it's you that's going to be writing the book. That's fine I'm sure Al won't mind helping you edit and scale basck to less than a thousand pages; [;)][:D][:0] I know that Boris has expressed an intrest in helping you cut and paste the pictures( you know how he likes paste. caught him spreading a glue stick on some toast again)[:0][xx(]*** I have liked the GG1's from afar bit big for my taste but certainly an attractive unit. Which one is possibly undergoing this transformation?Don't count out it being done. Money might be all that could hold it up. Electric railway equipment is tuff and rugged,you would be supprised what can be restored and operated.Electrics are much simpler beasts than steam or diesel.That cruise sounded interesting I not gone as far north as Alaska. Prince George BC is my highpoint that and Moose Factory in Ontario.Ome of my fav cruise locations is in central Ontario at Gravenhurst. The Muskoka Steamship society run the 186 year old RMS Segwun and a new Diesel powered mate they built themselves in 2002 the RMS Wenonah 2. Dinner dance and siteseeing cruises on all three Muskoka Lakes. Travelling on the Segwun is interesting in that she operates on a hand fired scotch boiler. Something else on a 215' steamer and shell still do her top speed of 16 knotts! I was hoping to book us a cruise during the rendevous next year but they don't commence their season until mid june[:(] This is a shot of Wenonah tthey built her along the lines of the rest of the fleet so she looks like a turn of the century(20th)steamer herself. Along with the Segwun and the Eaton family steam yaught Wanda 3 Segwun is the only ship left of the Muskoka Fleet. Enjoy the shot/ Talk to you all tomorrow. Rob
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:09 PM
Good evening everyone.First off Tom i think a Crown with a Black label chaser.Glad that you got your rain we are still waiting.We have had only 10mm since the 16th of June[XX(] [#welcome] To barndad another museum vollenteer to boot [tup]As has been said already you do get a dedicated few to man most things. Our museum's membership is well over 400 members but only the board and the dedicated core are around likely 40 or so.In our case we have members that literally span the globe,so in many cases distance allows some to only be around once or twice a year if at all.We certainly have enough projects to keep as going till the second comming as well.early The thomas events are great number boosters. We have been trying to get a three day weekend at the museum but the logistics are a nightmare.For starters we would likely have to build one ourselves as our track guage is not standard.The museum is set for TTC guage which is unfortunatly broader 4'107/8".Instead we do two night Halloween shows in which we turn two of our carbarns into haunted houses,great fun for the kiddies and we usually see 1500-2000 people over the two shows.gunns Good pictures again sir[tup] The only suggestion I have for your engineering qualifications i would think would be to check your transportation regulators. There has to be a specified coarse. Won't likley be cheap however. Up here Transport Canada would handle these type of inquiries as they are the rule enforcers. With our museum we use our own training program it's home designed but is based on general rail rules as well as general safety / common sence type stuff. we use a graduated licencing system where you right a rules test ( 90% to pass ) rewritten every three years. Then oncar training starting with the easier { Pter Whitt's } then onto 327 the open handbrake car then to the PCC's and after that you move onto the train brake cars ( interurbans )You have two road tests one for probationary status then the second for your perm. status on each vehicle. The usual demerrit point system if one screws up etc. Sounds daunting but when you have a carload of passengers everythingMUST be perfect.Al A usual cpmplete above and beyond answer thank-you [tup] It's nice to see that there was some pullmans up here. Makes sence that they ran on the US subsidiaries.Ted Didn't want to leave you out. I'm waiting to praise your modelling efferts. As a side i have won an ebay auction for anold uncle walthers single truck double ended street car. 60's vintage. It looks like it was a loose model of a safety car of some kind.double ended to boot. I'll post a pic or two when I pick it up.( waiting at th4 post office as we speak but I have to go run the real thing tomorrow so I won't grab it till tomorrow night.Have a good night everyone. Rob
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:37 PM
Evenin' Gunns Kevin Pull up one of those Reserved Stools for our Regular customers and sit a spell .......

We've got the Baseball All Star Game on all 3 of our large screen TV's ....... should be an enjoyable event. [tup]

Can't help ya with that Engineer Certification, unless of course a blessing from "Our" Place would help. I'm sure the Right Rev. Boris would certify you! [swg]

Enjoy! [tup][;)]

Tom
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Posted by Gunns on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:06 PM
Another bier,
Greetings Tom and Ya'll.

Yet another question <G>, What do I need to do to get certified as an Engineer? we are gonna need 6 or so in the club for extended runs, and I wanted to know where to start?

Gunns
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Posted by Gunns on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:59 PM
Ahh its cool in here, hi all!
Another tall one, I just got back from the photo run, pix on the way.
barndad do you have a Builders plate on your 2903? I am casting replacments for ours <the 2926> and if you have the plate I could use a pic, and if you dont, I could change the pattern and make Ya'll a set. Your work number should be 69791, <it is cast in to the boiler steam dome on the front> also ours was a park engine for 40 years, and has been badly stripped of gauges and data plates, I also need a copy,/photo of the plate on the backhead that has the MWP on it. We are collecting a set of instruments, <allready have the big dbl sided steam gauge> but picx would help in restoring the piping and handles. They even got our bell clapper..... and I need to find some wroght iron to make a new one.

photos....
Here is a closer shot of the cabbose.
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aar

And the Missile command car.
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aas?full=1

Thies are the roller bearing trucks that will go to the cabbose, and the ambulance kitchen car in the background, note the wide door, that will make it a good tool car.
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aau?full=1

Here is a shot of the back side of the kitchen.
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aat?full=1

And here is a shot of the trucks for the tender. <My CMO told me they weigh 22.5 tons not 11>
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aav

Somthing else I am hurting for will be the tech manuals fron the Army for our cars, it would help when we get to restoring them.

Thanks,
Gunns
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:40 PM
[#welcome]Aboard barndad - If you've been checking us out for awhile, then you know the first drink is on the house! [tup][;)][;)]

Part of the standard bill of fare must be repeated for all new customers -
We are an adult cyber bar 'n grill hoping to atract interest in Classic Trains real and model. We also like to have some fun while doing so ...... [swg] So, we've got quite a cast of characters around here .......

I encourage everyone who visits us to start at the beginning and when you get to the SUMMARIES check 'em out ........ a quicker way to get up to speed for sure. [tup]

We hope that our cyber bar 'n grill will be a stop off point for you and perhaps you'll become one of our regulars. No matter - you're welcome 'round here whenever you'd like .......

Regarding your comments, I'm up to speed with the Scouting program. With three Eagles in my family, it's hard not to keep up. I'm not at all in favor of uni-sex anything. But respect those who have different opinions. Time will be the ultimate judge, and I think we're seeing some not so favorable signs these days of this social experiment. I'm a "boys will be boys" kinda guy and will be so until it's my time for planting.

Okay, Boris ring the ding-dong Bell - drinks on the house for being [#offtopic].

Enjoy your visit! [tup][;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:17 PM
Hi all!

I've been reading this thread for quite some time, but have never posted. It's been interesting to find out more about the people who are here, as well as learning more about trains in general. When I saw the posts about Thomas and volunteerism, I decided it was time to jump in. I left my credit card at the cash register to cover the 1st round.
I am a new volunteer on the Steam Team at the Illinois Railway Museum in Union Illinois. We're workin on a number of projects, including the restoration of a 1900 Baldwin Consolidation (UP428). Saturdays are when most of our volunteer time is logged, and only a handful make it to the shop more than once a week. We could literally use hundreds of more volunteers even if all our rolling stock was 100% restored. We probably have another 100 years worth of projects that need doing.
Siberianmo has noticed the same thing as me when it comes to volunteers. Wherever volunteers are used, whether it be church, scouts, or sports, there is always a handful of people who do the bulk of the work, and you see these same people wherever you go.
By the way, what used to be known as "Den Mothers", are now "Den Leaders", and this position is no longer considered a womans job. As a matter of fact, the Cubmaster position is no longer reserved for men. There are very few professional Scouters in the Scouting structure. Almost everyone is a volunteer. As District Commisioner, it was always my pleasure to work with my fellow volunteers. Some of the finest people I have ever met, I met through Scouting. It was also no surprise to find these same outstanding and selfless individuals involved in other volunteer positions outside of Scouting. Even Volunteers who only show now and then are needed. The more hands you have, the more you can get done. Everyone should be encouraged to contribute.
We also have some Thomas Days, and it's my understanding that we pretty much get the bulk of our funding from this event. The actual event has been described to me as a zoo, but the kids love it, and we sure need the money! I'm also told we need every volunteer we can get. We even pay groups who aren't remotely affiliated with the Museum to fill these spots. I'll probably take some time from work to help this year. I'll let you know how it went!
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:09 PM
Howdy ***[C):-)] Was beginning to think we'd not see you until YOUR Birthday Bash this Friday at 9 AM CDST! [tup][;)]

How about a nice tall frosty mug of Texas Pride[?] Just happen to have a case of 'em in long necks, regular & light, of course! [tup][swg]

In this day and age, all kidding aside, trying to attach a motive to such a horrendus act simply cannot rule out any plausible lead. You're not hurting MY feelilngs one bit regarding those people on the Continent who have backup lilghts on their military vehicles for a reason .......... [}:)]

GG1's[?] My FAVORITE loco's of all time. Rode behind a few of 'em myself and loved to watch 'em pull into the station. Great engines. Have a Pennsy in Tuscan and one in Brunswick Green, both with 5 stripes - in my retired HO display cases. Ahhhhhhh, those were the days.

Custom built railcars - now that would be my dream - just to have something like that. I'd go for a refurbished more modern one though. Since my preference lies with the Budd stainless steel beauties, mine would be the observation dome (ie: VIA Rail Park car) - oh could I have fun redesigning it to my specs ........ Now all I've got to do is lline up the funding. I suppose I could raise the prices 'round here! [tdn] Nah ......... [:D]

Glad you stopped by and hope you'll come back at least one more time before YOUR big day!

Tom


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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 3:24 PM
Good afternoon, Y'all. Another hot one in Big D today. Tom, if you have a big glass please fill it up with the cold bubbly stuff (NOT champagne!). I see it cropped up again-my referring to Tom as Housekeep. I guess I will never live that one down. I bet that I will take a ribbing for it on Friday at nine. Do not let me drink during our meeting on Friday. My wife has invited several neighbors in to celebrate the big 65. I do not think it would be cool to arrive home under the alfluence of incohol.

Think that management here is trying to tell me something and I might be too dumb to pick up on it. Two weeks ago they sent me to Libya. Next week they are sending me to London where I will have to ride the Underground. And to top it all off they booked me into a hotel in the Belgravia area that is owned by an Arab company. Are they trying to tell me something???

Please do not take this next comment as demeaning to the poor souls who were hurt or killed in the bomb blasts. I mean no disrespect to their memory. Well--here goes. The radical Arabs did not set the bombs. It was the French and they did it because they are mad about looosing the 2012 Olympics.

Enough sick humor. Back to the subject of this pub. Has anyone been to Alaska and rode on the cruise lines train cars to Denali that they tie on to the end of the Alaska RR passenger trains? I have not had that pleasure, but have seen the cars. They are built by Colorado Rail Car outside Denver and are BEAUTIFUL. Bob Raiders, the CEO of Colorail Car is my friend and he has brought the cars to several conventions to showcase them. They are plush!!! Malacite panels, etched glass, great bar, two observation decks (it is a bilevel car) with an elevaor to the upper level. All this for less than $3 million. Think I will buy a couple for personal use (Note to Bob Raiders-Do not try to cash my check!) I tried to purchase one for Trinity Railway Express to use as a bar car on the rush hour train to Fort Worth while I was on the DART board. Could not get it over due to budgetary poroblems and the concerns of the *&^%$ agency lawyers.

This may be considered heresy by Tom, but there is an interesting thread on the regular TRAINS forum dealing withe restoring a GG-1 to service. Since I have rode behind one several times I would love to see this happen, but do not hold your breath.

Cheers,
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:59 PM
Afternoon, earlydiesels Dan A rainy day here in Mentor Village, just a stones throw from the CP yard and right down the road from that all female university that Cindy teaches at ....... wonder what she teaches[?] [}:)]

Your comments regarding volunteers brings back many memories of decades past. It really is pretty much across the board when it comes to motives for many people when they volunteer. While my offerings of free time haven't been with railroading, I have done the responsible thing when it came to Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, youth baseball and serving as a police officer with my local PD. Of course, the longest tour of volunteerism for me lasted 32 years - and that was with the U.S. Coast Guard on active duty. But, that's not what either of us are talking about ........

It never failed that when the chips were down the same few people always showed up to take up the slack with whatever the duties. I got involved with baseball when I signed up one of my boys, only to find out that the team couldn't be in the league unless someone signed on as Manager. Guess who[?] Then my youngest son announced that his Cub Pack was about to fold up because they didn't have ANY Den Mothers. So, guess what happened[?] I became a Den Mother - and this was back in the days BEFORE our society considered itself enlightened or whatever the term is used these days! As an Eagle Scout and all of that, it really wasn't a hard thing for me, but it kinda ticked me off to think that the Pack absolutely would've fallen apart if it hadn't have been for a couple of guys who came to the rescue and eventually shamed the gals into taking over the jobs. Crazy, huh? Then of course the Boy Scouts always needed someone, usually at the last moment, to drive the boys to a campout AND stay the night ...... etc., etc., etc. It truly never bothered me to do these things, for my boys were involved and as a kid, someone did it for me. The thing that DID get to me, was the same people,over and over, always had the excuses, and the same people, over and over, always did the work. Ain't that the way it goes[?] Some you win, some you lose, and others are rained out! [;)]

Hey Boris set 'em up ...... this is all [#offtopic] - and, oh [yeah] ring the bell! [tup][swg]

Tunes on the Juke[?] One thing nice about a cyber bar 'n grill, you'll find exactly what you're looking for .......... and, you can't beat the price! [;)]

Enjoy the day! [tup][;)]
Tom
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:10 PM
Back again. I'll take on appetizer and a cold brew to wash it down with, Tom. I'll stroll over to the jukebox and see just exactly what is on it. I am in the mood for something out of the ordinary. Any recommendations?
For those interested, the Midland is enduring the annual Thomas The Tank Engine event and will not have regular service until 23 July. Don't take me wrong-- Thomas is a great income source but the logistics and the planning and the volunteer hours are just exhausting! The past 3 times we have had Thomas, I have been (real) engineer but this time we have decided to sit this one out. The first year, I did not have a fireman and did not leave the cab until days end! I have observed that we have some volunteers that help only during special events(especially if the media are present) and these same people are nonexistant the rest of the time. These people are welcome to help now. When it is 100degrees out with 100% humidity these people are nowhere to be found. I personally enjoy regular events more than the special events. I have more of a chance to visit and help folks enjoy their time here. With Thomas, we give 25 minute rides and back at the depot, passengers detrain on one side and entrain on the other. From the cab, it resembles a livestock auction.
Another cold brew, please. One special event we have is where we open up the restored KCS RPO car and have retired postal clerks ride and answer questions. They sell postcards with special RPO markings that are ready to be used. It's interesting to think most mail used to be sorted in these cars years ago.
On the local front, our museum received an old baggage cart for display. We are going to have it sandblasted and then we will repaint it. No one seems to know the exact shades of paint, though. Any answers from our knowledgeable group?? I am supposed to write up a easy to read description of our loco for display to be seen from the front gate. I have'nt started yet but it should'nt take very long to write.
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:49 AM
Hello earlydiesels Dan Good to see you again and I'm happy to know that someone out there is reading this stuff! [swg]

About the only thing I recall my father passing on to me was something like, If you don't ask 'em first, they can't say no! [;)]

This isn't a bad place to sit and listen - especially with old Juke back there playing some of those great train songs we've loaded up on. Check 'em out - drop a few quarters in from that jar sitting on the little table next to the Jukep\ - 5 plays for a quater - can't beat that with a stick. [swg]

By the by - this coming Friday is the BIRTHDAY BASH for *** at 9 AM CDST So, I hope to see you as close to that time as possible. [tup]

Ready for 'nother one[?]
Tom

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:58 AM
Hello everyone. I will take a cold, bottomless draught, please. Tom, I have been reading the threads and the summaries but have'nt felt like responding. Sometimes I just like to watch and not speak. Dad said I'd learn more that way.
The Midland is about 35 miles SW of the Kansas City metro area. Take I35 south to the Gardner exit then take 56 highway to Baldwin City. Just drive to the elevator when you get to town and look for the signs.
Good to hear of a passenger car being preserved-especially a Harriman RPO. Any kind of passenger car is hard to find these days,regardless of condition. If they can be found, they will be expensive.
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:25 AM
Morning Gunns - Well if it's your Saturday then how about some steak 'n eggs[?] We can make an exception to the light breakfast fare around here - I'm close to the Proprietor. [;)]

With all this talk of restorations, museums and vintage rail cars, I think I'll schedule a trip over to the Museum of Transport one morning next week. Predictions of rain - some heavy - for the remainder of this week, will keep me home.

Have to get on with the landscaping work for my S-gauge layout. Now that the wiring is done, I'm concentrating on building up the terrain. Can't go too high, for this layout gets stored up in the basement joists - 4-point hoist system. If you haven't done so, why not check out the photo's on my site[?] http://www.railimages.com/gallery/thomasweber - then go to page 5.

Enjoy the day and thanx for stopping by! [tup] [;)]
Tom
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Posted by Gunns on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:04 AM
Hi All,
It's my Sat, <G> and I have some time.
A tall Pilzner Bitte.

Passengerfan The cars dont glow but there is this black box on the frame now......<G>

Theodorbear Dem jets arn't in here.... I "Got" a Me262, the other day, I was in my "Jug" a P47-D25, the Gomer zoomed up in front of me and just hung there...... gotta love them 8 .50s. As for the Georgia, we would be proud to pull that one. The wife and I are kinda thinking of findin a car to fit up into a vacation home, but the rules Amtrac has for pulling them are tough, of course we will have access to our War Baby......

Every one thanks for the car info, with such a wide selection, I'll let the other members do the picking.

Trainnut484 I Think I'll run down to the storage site, and shoot some pics of the cabbose, and put them up....

Ahhh Breakfast,
Gunns
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:12 AM
TUESDAY’s SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS (edited)

G’day! It’s raining here in mid-continent USA – finally getting that much needed water for our oh so dry soil and greenery. Nice steady stuff, nothing severe (yet). Ahhhhhhhh, the sound of rain on the roof is almost as relaxing as the clickety clack of steel wheels on steel tracks! I said ALMOST![swg]

BIRTHDAY BASH for *** this FRIDAY at 9 AM, CDST

Editorial Comment: I’m always astounded at how easy it is to fall into the trap of believing everyone is on the same page when it comes to communications on these forums – not just this thread. How many simply do not take the time to acquaint themselves with what the subject is about nor to review the posts prior to submitting one. Astounding – simply astounding.

Okay, here’s the SUMMARY without many of the smilies, graphics and photo’s …..

QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 09:01:04
Morning all, drinks are on me all day,

I finished my annual alignment, on my UPS.

Rob that's a great looking motor, can I talk you in to coming down for our cab? Lotsa green and red Chili here.....

Ted Model work is in many ways harder than what we are doing, creating a feel of the prototype is surprisingly hard, perspective can be really hard. <I used to "Cheat" I took slides of house or car interiors and would mount them in the windows of a car or structure, and backlight them>

Hey Ya'll a Question? what kind of coaches are appropriate to the 2926? The club is looking to obtain a pair of coaches, for day trips, and mabye a buffet car. While we are still 5 or 6 years away from operations, we want to start keeping our eyes open. We all ready have a "troop sleeper" and a hospital kitchen car, <pics when I get home>, Heavy cars are OK as we need the braking power. Santa Fe Green? Or silver sides? or what.....

Later
Gunns


QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 09:53:30
Morning everyone.

Tom If I could just have coffee and a selection of the bakery fine pastries, or perhaps one of Ted's delights would work as well. I'm not sure of the spelling of them either so i won't even attempt it.

Ted S-37 is a snow sweeper actually, in the before picture ( one outside in the yard ) you will just be ably to see the front sweep broom ( bellow the coupler ) 55 is an ex Toronto Civic car, it's double ended and a hand brake car to boot ( no air brakes ) it's a lively car to ride on, it bobs about quite a bit. Sadly she needs major truck and resister grid rebuilds right now and is a static display only. She's basically an all wood car save for the truck 1915 Preston car and coach built.

Gunns I think the heavy weight greens would be your best bet passenger car wise if you can find any. Though I suppose you could go with the stainless in a pinch. Heck it's a big enough locomotive why not a selection of both. As to me coming down I'd love to see your efforts, as a worker I'm just the tool getting sanding guy. Though if you fire off an email to the museum http://www.hcry.org some of our more seasoned (read skilled members ) may want to help. Remembering that our area of expertise is streetcars and electric rolling stock but I suppose woodwork is wood work and welding is welding as it were.

Well guys it's almost lunchtime here and I'm off to work this afternoon. Those in the menace's path as Ted put stay dry and safe. I'm putting out this picture as well. Likely more inetrest to Ted but this is 55's sister #57 as rebuilt as a railgrinder in the 60's. She has airbrakes and was rebuilt with single end controls also bus type windows and metal clading were built in over the existing tongue and groove wood. The extra weight makes her track better. Though in my opinion she is a less attractive car.Much easier to operate Have a good day everybody. Rob


QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 09:54:32
Back and home,
And I want a cold one.

Now Pixs,
This was a hospital kitchen car that was gutted by an asbestos abatment contractor, It will probably end up as our tool car.
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aao

This was a WWII era "Troop Sleeper" that was converted to a Missile command car, and still has thae A/C and Gen set on board, we will probably make it in to a crew sleeper for excursion crews <ya need 3 sets of Engineer and Fireman for long trips>
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aap

We plan to paint them as AT&SF express cars, and couple them right behind the loco.

Ahhh, Carbonated Malt Beverage,
Gunns


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 10:25:18
Mornin' Gunns Appreciate your stopping by ..... [tup]
Checked out your pix ... nice. If I missed it previously, sorry - but - how did your organization acquire these cars [?]

As far as coaches go, I think heavyweights would be the best. Colors? Green and perhaps a brown/maroon one - just to add a bit of contrast.

That ends my [2c] worth!

Okay, Boris you heard the man - fire up the bell and keep 'er going, drinks on Gunns all day!

Tom


QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 10:32:19
Tom the kitchen car was donated by Sandia labs, as was <I think> the command car, we also have a Caboose
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/kevinevans/aaq
But it is completely gutted in side, altho we have a set of new <unused> roller bearing trucks for it.
Gunns

Hey Gunns Thanx for the info,and of course URL …. Somewhere on these pages I posted my thoughts about someday having a Caboose in my back yard (along with an RDC – a Budd observation dome [Park car] and ……..) [swg] Oh wouldn’t the subdivision trustees love it! [:-,]
Tom

QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 10:37:44
Morning' Rob - Help yourself to the goodies; all fresh from The Mentor Village Bakery .....

Email received and replied to .... Thanx!

Should you decide to come to the states one day, plan on taking the non-stop to St. Louis with Air Canada. From here you can head anywhere else you'd like .... Aside from the Can-Am trainroom, HO, O and S layouts , we have the Museum of Transportation about 10 miles from where I live. Check it out:

http://www.museumoftransport.org/

One day, I hope you'll tell us all about how you began with your interersts in trolley cars. All of us have at least one story that can provide the background ...... really would appreciate it if you'd compose yours and put it out for all the regulars to enjoy!

Tom


QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 14:19:55
Gunns, Al here just have one question about the cars donated by Sandia labs do they glow in the dark Just Kidding.


QUOTE: Trainnut484 Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 16:00:58
G'afternoon all. I'll have a cold tall draft from the tap.

Kevin- great pics of the locomotive, plates, tool car and caboose . I couldn't see the number or lettering in the caboose picture, but is the lettering on the side ATSF or AT&SF? ATSF would be appropriate for lettering from 1943 until retirement. Lightweight cars are also a good choice to put behind the 2926. You can do it your way on Ebay...sorry I had to put that "jingle" in there lol. Seriously, I wouldn't consider buying a passenger car on Ebay unless it's for real and there's no other alternative.

Tom, my wife and I had a good time at the Museum of Transportation in Kirkwood a couple of years ago. Hopefully by now they have things a little bit more organized as in equipment placement. Is the Rendezvous in Toronto for May 12 next year? Is that a weekend? I don't have a map handy right now.

Ted, your welcome on the digital camera help. Can't wait to see pics of Union Station. I don't understand the reference to "Cliff Drive" though

Better hop off the stool and get other things done.

Take care,
Russell


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 16:44:01
Permanent Stool holder are those members who have demonstrated their willingness to participate in the information sharing AND nonsense associated with "Our" Place. Those members are expected to at least say hello to the Proprietor and bar keep when stopping by! [:(!]

So, passengerfan Al WHO could I possibly be referring to[?][:O]

Tom


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 16:56:41
G'day Trainnut484 Russell ..... One cold draught comin' right up!

The FIRST ANNUAL “OUR” PLACE CLASSIC TRAINS RENDEZVOUS for the gang has been set for May 12th (Friday), 2006 in Toronto. Suggest you look at today's SUMMARY for the details ...... Send me an Email if you have other questions regarding this. We really want to keep that type of dialogue on a one-on-one basis and off of cyber space.

The Museum of Transport here in St. Louis County has had somewhat of a leadership fluctuation over the years. I'm hardly an expert nor a frequent visitor - but I do read the papers! Anyway, my guess is that your visit may have coincided with one of those down periods when they suffered along with a young person with NO experience whatsoever in the top leadership role. My understanding is that has changed for the better and things are definitely far better. Nevertheless, a very impressive collection and a hard working bunch of volunteers.

By the way, those F units look great! Love that war bonnet livery! [tup][tup]

Tom


QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 17:16:07
Sorry Tom just took a quick breather from book and apologize for the lack of manners.
How about the usual and a round for the house. I am making good progress on book so hate to even leave it for a minute when I get in a good writing mood.
The areas of book that I am able to complete I'm going ahead with and those areas I am waiting for info on I am just leaving for now. Tome stands at 275 pages now and hope it will take less than 20 more to complete.
Just in case anyone happens to know I still need the original startup dates for the Acela trains? Everything else seems to be falling in place.
Well will close for now thx for the rap on the knuckles Tom I need it every once in a while.


QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 17:19:14
Well all right, this is the way "Our" Place "ought-be-hittin'-all-da-time!" Today: we be like a Club Car when when everybody be "playin' the same tune!" Hmm-HMM!
Gunns anything for the #2926 will work from Santa Fe heavy weights (olive drab, picture window, open girder) coaches to Budd "fluted, stainless light weights" will do. Even the old G. I. Hospital Cars and "Kitchen Cars" can happen... take your pick. Just don't forget my "Georgia 300" (lease) will bring up the rear. Oh, BTW Kevin, how many MIG 22's did you bring down today?

Tom and Dave in regard to "S" gau, have you guys looked into "Model Railroad News?" This "Rag" (Monthly) seems to carry more than most for 3/16" modelers, along with "G," HO, ON3, "O," et al. I'm a subscriber for over a year now; I like it!

Where the Sam Hill is , Nick? The 3 bushels of Blue Fin Chesapeake Bay Maryland Crabs went so rancid that Boris had a "steam bake" for his "Rom" Clan. Okay, I gotta went, the Urban Renewal Bureaucrats are after last year's contract commitments...what a nerve![zzz] Happy rails all.


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 19:25:07

G'day passengerfan Al - Look, it's quite simple 'round here - come through those doors and head for YOUR stool! That should be memory crutch enough to remember where it came from! [swg]That's me - barkeep - knuckle rapper - and what did *** call me last week[?] - ah yes, housekeep!

That start up for Acela shouldn't be so tough to find and I'm sorry if it sounds so elementary - but how about contacting Amtrak[?] It's their train after all!

Ring the bell, Boris, the round is on Al[tup]

Tom


QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 19:29:11
Afternoon Tom and the gang...I decide to say low this weekend and catch up some chores and review some new DVDs I purchased which brings me to my next topic.

The DVD SP 1941 has a shot of the City of San Francisco with E2 A-B-B power but the kicker is the lower skirt and truck color. The skirts and trucks are wearing a coat of Leaf Brown while the roof is Harbor Mist Gray over Armour Yellow. I thought I was pretty famiiar with UP/SP schemes but this one is the first example I've encountered with this mix. Perhaps passengerfan Al can impart his wisdom. By this time UP had abandoned Leaf brown , guess Pullman didn't get the change order!

Glad to meet your acquaintance Theodorebear, not only am I acquainted with Model Railroad News, I do believe I derided the editor in front of a crowd of hundreds during a convention several years ago. For the life of me I can't recall what got me in a tither, he got off easy compared to those membership greedy bloodsucking NMRA folks.[soapbox] Maybe its time to bury the hatchet and atone for past sins and adopt a be kind to those that cover S attitude , not too many of us out there.

Tom,gang sorry I missed Nick's party, a good time was had by all no doubt, so Nick a belated [#birthday] and a couple of drinks on me .

Tom.
Boris I fear has taken off with the Johnny Walker Black label again, I keep finding evidence of him having frequented the underside of the pool table, no other details need be provided .If you can retrieve a fresh bottle , I'd be forever in your grace.

Dave


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 19:40:34
Evening Ted
How I WISH we could hit on all bangers - just getting the regulars to read what's been posted is becoming a nightmare. I still have several overdue responses to questions out there. [yeah] I know - my problem. [tdn] However, today is a better day than some in the recent past ........ [tup]

I'll check out that magazine you mentioned next time I'm at my LHS ...... thanx. There was a magazine especially made for S-gaugers, S Gaugian. I'm not a subscriber, nor am I sure they are still in business, but have some issues in my collection. This is or was probably THE magazine for those who prefer the 1:64 scale.

Nick[?] [yeah] C'mon back - buy a new computer - go to a library or cyber store and log on - do something! [swg]

Tom


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 19:48:15
Evening West Coast S Dave
Don't know what you've been drinking or smoking out there on the left coast [swg] but we didn't have a party for Nick. Checking out the SUMMARIES lately[?] Also, the Birthday Watch List[?] Argggggggggggh. [censored][banghead]

Sure would love to hear the story about your rant with the magazine editor .......

One bottle of Johnny Walker Black comin' up ........ ice with that[tup] [;)]

Tom


QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 20:01:22
Well darn, aren't I the one with egg on my face [?]I know someone, somewhere had a BD, now who? ..Must be that Southern California freeway exhaust seeping into my underground bunker, yeh that's it[banghead]. Easy ice, no Boris with that Black if you could.. For those who are into it, the S Gaugian is still available as well as 1/64th digest and a few others, including proto64 modeling.

Dave


QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 21:37:28
Good evening all Well I will give up writing this evening and have a sociable drink or two. So barkeep how about a double crown royal with water chaser. And don't forget a round for the house.
West Coast S About your question on the Leaf brown. You may be right it was just overlooked by Pullman or their is the possibility that Pullman was just going to use up the remaining leaf brown they had and the skirting was repainted in Chicago after every trip so could not have lasted to long. Pullman was not one to waste anything look at the years of service they got from their blankets alone. Pullman was very tough on their sub contractors and expected certain longevity guarantees out of these suppliers and did not hesitate to find another subcontractor when a product or service did not live up to implied promises. Remember most of the Pullman cars were built in the days of handshakes and not paper contracts for subcontractors. But Pullman themselves when dealing with the railroads used tons of paper for their contracts and their legal department dotted all of the I's and crossed all of the T's.
The one time where things changed on a new passenger car contract was the massive C&O order where eventually a number of cars were canceled and others went directly to other roads never wearing C&O paint. Although I understand the C&O purchased a large number of Hoppers for coal in exchange for the changes and partial cancellation of passenger cars.


QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 11 Jul 2005, 23:03:18
Good evening gentlefolks. Tom I think I'll have a quick Keith,s if you don't mind. Your latest email has been read and replied to.

Westcoast I know what you mean about those NMRA types. I haven't had much use for them since the[censored] mockery they made of the 2003 convention in Toronto.

passengerAl Just wondering was bytown able to help you out with your LRC questions? If not the obvious like Tom said would be to talk to VIA direct.Sounds like the book is progressing nicely though, have you picked out your pictures for it yet?

Gunns The pictures do look good sorry if I hadn't mentioned that before. I wonder if VIA would sell or donate ( no it's a [censored]gov agency ) some Budd cars to your cause. They seem to love their new Eurotrash so who knows a park car and a couple of coaches, diner,and baggage might be grabable for bottom dollar prices.

Tom thanks for the link, looks like an interesting museum. I'll try to post a bio story soon. It's not all that interesting. If I post one though the rest of you need to as well. That could be passengerAl's next book. the life and Times of" "Our Place".

PassengerAl I'm curious did pullman lease any cars to CN or CP. You alway's see models of the Palace cars painted for both up here but I don't recall ever seeing any shots of real life Pullmans in Canadian service. Well gents pleasant evening. Rob

It would be fun to visit the Museum of Transportation with someone who appreciates the collection they have ………Oh, sorry – but I’m going to be the author of the book you suggested. One has to read and be conversant with all aspects of ”Our” Place, wouldn’t you agree[?] Who better than the Proprietor[?] Nice idea ……. [tup] Wonder how many copies would sell[?] [swg]

Email received and answered. Thanx!
Tom

QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 12 July 2005, 06:59:44
Good Morning All Just time for a Coffee & Danish before I get back to the Tome.

Trolleyboy, You asked a question about Pullman leased cars to Canada. From what I have been able to gather only the CN had postwar cars that were in Pullman lease. Most of these cars ran in International service such as the through CN / GTW trains from Toronto to Chicago, CN / GN Super Continental - Winnipeg Limited between Vancouver and St. Paul or as the through cars in the Maple Leaf of the CN / CNJ between Toronto and New York or as through cars in the Washingtonian- Montrealer between Montreal and Vancouver via the CN / CV / NYNH&H / PRR.. All of the streamlined cars were Pullman Standard built in 1954 as follows.
delivered January February 1954 8-Duplex Roomette 4 Section 4-Double Bedroom cars 1120 ELCOTT, 1121 ELDERBANK, 1122 EXCELSIOR, 1123 ELGIN, 1124 ELIZABETH, 1125 ELLERSLIE, 1126 ELLISTON, and 1127 ELMIRA
delivered April 1954 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom cars 1162 GREEN POINT, 1163 GREENMOUNT, 1164 GREEN BROOK, 1165 GREEN COURT, 1166 GREENING, 1167 GREEN CABIN, 1168 GREENSHIELDS, 1169 GREEN BUSH, 1170 GREENFIELD, 1171 GREEN HARBOUR, 1172 GREEN HILL, 1173 GREEN LANE, 1174 GREENVIEW, 1175 GREENVALE, and 1176 GREENWAY delivered in May 1954 10-Roomette 5- Double Bedroom 2022 BUCKLEY BAY, 2023 HUDSON BAY, 2024 CHALEUR BAY and 2025 GLACE BAY also delivered in May 1954 2-Double Bedroom 2-Compartment Buffet 25-Seat Lounge Cars 1086 CAPE CANSO, 1087 CAPE BRETON, 1088 CAPE CHIGNECTO, and 1089 CAPE TORMENTINE.

Hope this helps. I would have to go to storage locker to find out about the heavyweights that were in International service;.

Hope that helps Passengerfan Al


QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 12 July 2005, 07:15:46
Thank you West Coast S, its also a pleasure to "meet your acquaintance," I'm sure. Tom please "set up the bar" for all present. Make mine an Irish Coffee, if you will please, but minus the whipping cream. I can relate to the lack of publications specific to S scale/gauge. Believe it or not, (early in HO publications) there was a disparity of data on passenger cars while freight enjoyed top priority and Traction was almost a "sub culture." Old man Walthers (Wm. K) catalog was about the only "oasis" in the desert. Right now, I'm having the opposite problem. Yesterday, I went shopping for digital photo gear and [within an hour] my head was swimming in mountainous waves of cyber statistics that would challenge a young Enrico Ferme! My own fault for being so lethargic for so long!

Anyhoo, I needed to at least, prove the varasity of the reports on my humble modeling efforts. So, I did the unthinkable! Right, I transferred some old pics to a C.D. at Wal Mart and will attempt to get them to Post a.s.a.p.! Yes I know, the end result will be somewhere between a Brownie Box camera and Edison's "Vita Phone" but until I'm "in the saddle," it will do for now. Okay, thanks Tom, I trust you are coping with our resident enigma (Boris) with a minimum of hair loss and property damage.

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That’s it for now! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo)
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:15 AM
Thank you West Coast S, its also a pleasure to "meet your acquaintance," I'm sure. Tom please "set up the bar" for all present. Make mine an Irish Coffee, if you will please, but minus the whipping cream. I can relate to the lack of publications specific to S scale/guage. Belive it or not, (early in HO publications) there was a disparity of data on passenger cars while freight enjoyed top priority and Traction was almost a "sub culture." Old man Walthers (Wm. K) catalog was about the only "oasis" in the desert.[tup] Right now, I'm having the opposite problem. Yesterday, I went shopping for digital photo gear and [within an hour] my head was swimming in mountainous waves of cyber statistics that would challenge a young Enrico Ferme![V] My own fault for being so lethargic for so long![:I]

Anyhoo, I needed to at least, prove the varasity of the reports on my humble modeling efforts.[:-^] So, I did the unthinkable![:O] Right, I transferred some old pics to a C.D. at Wal Mart and will attempt to get them to Post a.s.a.p.! Yes I know, the end result will be somewhere between a Brownie Box camera and Edison's "Vita Phone" but until I'm "in the saddle," it will do for now. Okay, thanks Tom, I trust you are coping with our resident enigma (Boris) with a minimum of hair loss and property damage.[alien]
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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:59 AM
Good Morning All Just time for a Coffee & Danish before I get back to the Tome.
Trolleyboy, You asked a queation about Pullman leased cars to Canada. From what I have been able to gather only the CN had postwar cars that were in Pullman lease. Most of these cars ran in International service such as the through CN / GTW trains from Toronto to Chicago, CN / GN Super Continental - Winnipeg Limited between Vancouver and St. Paul or as the through cars in the Maple Leaf of the CN / CNJ between Toronto and New York or as through cars in the Washingtonian- Montrealer between Montreal and Vancouver via the CN / CV / NYNH&H / PRR.. All of the streamlined cars were Pullman Standard built in 1954 as follows.
delivered January February 1954 8-Duplex Roomette 4 Section 4-Double Bedroom cars 1120 ELCOTT, 1121 ELDERBANK, 1122 EXCELSIOR, 1123 ELGIN, 1124 ELIZABETH, 1125 ELLERSLIE, 1126 ELLISTON, and 1127 ELMIRA
delivered April 1954 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom cars 1162 GREEN POINT, 1163 GREENMOUNT, 1164 GREEN BROOK, 1165 GREEN COURT, 1166 GREENING, 1167 GREEN CABIN, 1168 GREENSHIELDS, 1169 GREEN BUSH, 1170 GREENFIELD, 1171 GREEN HARBOUR, 1172 GREEN HILL, 1173 GREEN LANE, 1174 GREENVIEW, 1175 GREENVALE, and 1176 GREENWAY
delivered in May 1954 10-Roomette 5- Double Bedroom 2022 BUCKLEY BAY, 2023 HUDSON BAY, 2024 CHALEUR BAY and 2025 GLACE BAY
also delivered in May 1954 2-Double Bedroom 2-Compartment Buffet 25-Seat Lounge Cars 1086 CAPE CANSO, 1087 CAPE BRETON, 1088 CAPE CHIGNECTO, and 1089 CAPE TORMENTINE.
Hope this helps. I would have to go to storage locker to find out about the heavyweights that were in International service;.
Hope that helps Passengerfan Al
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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, July 11, 2005 11:03 PM
Good evening gentlefolks.Tom I think I'll have a quick keith,s if you don't mind.Your latest email has been read and replied to.Westcoast I know what you mean about those NMRA types. I haven't had much use for them since the[censored] mockery they made of the 2003 convention in Toronto.passengerAl Just wondering was bytown able to help you out with your LRC questions? If not the obvious like Tom said would be to talk to VIA direct.Sounds like the book is progressing nicely though,have you picked out your pictures for it yet?Gunns The pictures do look good sorry if I hadn't mentioned that before. I wonder if VIA would sell or donate ( no it's a [censored] gov agency ) some Budd cars to your cause. They seem to love thier new Eurotrash so who knows a park car and a couple of coaches, dinner,and baggage might be grabable for bottom dollar prices.Tom thanks for the link, looks like an interesting museum.I'll try to post a bio story soon. It's not all that interesting.If I post one though the rest of you need to as well. That could be passengerAl's next book. the life and Times of" "Our Place". PassengerAl I'm curious did pullman lease any cars to CN or CP. You alway's see models of the Palace cars painted for both up here but I don't recall ever seeing any shots of real life Pullmans in canadian service. Well gents pleasant evening. Rob
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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, July 11, 2005 9:37 PM
Good evening all Well I will give up writing this evening and have a sociable drink or two. So barkeep how about a double crown royal with water chaser. And don't forget a round for the house.
West Coast S About your question on the Leaf brown. You may be right it was just overlooked by Pullman or their is the possibility that Pullman was just going to use up the remaining leaf brown they had and the skirting was repainted in Chicago after every trip so could not have lasted to long. Pullman was not one to waste anything look at the years of service they got from their blankets alone. Pullman was very tough on their sub contractors and expected certain longevity guarantees out of these suppliers and did not hesitate to find another subcontractor when a product or service did not live up to implied promises. Remember most of the Pullman cars were built in the days of handshakes and not paper contracts for subcontractors. But Pullman themselves when dealing with the railroads used tons of paper for their contracts and their legal department dotted all of the I's and crossed all of the T's.
The one time where things changed on a new passenger car contract was the massive C&O order where eventually a number of cars were canceled and others went directly to other roads never wearing C&O paint. Although I understand the C&O purchased a large number of Hoppers for coal in exchange for the changes and partial cancellation of passenger cars.
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Posted by West Coast S on Monday, July 11, 2005 8:01 PM
Well darn, aren't I the one with egg on my face [?] I know someone, somewhere had a BD, now who? ..Must be that Southern California freeway exhaust seeping into my underground bunker, yeh that's it [banghead]. Easy ice, no Boris with that Black if you could.. For those who are into it, the S Guagian is still available as well as 1/64th digest and a few others..including proto64 modeling.

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 11, 2005 7:48 PM
Evening West Coast S Dave

Don't know what you've been drinking or smoking out there on the left coast [swg] but we didn't have a party for Nick. Checking out the SUMMARIES lately[?] Also, the Birthday Watch List[?] Argggggggggggh. [censored][banghead]

Sure would love to hear the story about your rant with the magazine editor .......

One bottle of Johnny Walker Black comin' up ........ ice with that[?] [;)]

Tom

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 11, 2005 7:40 PM
Evening Ted

How I WISH we could hit on all bangers - just getting the regulars to read what's been posted is becoming a nightmare. I still have several overdue responses to questions out there. [yeah] I know - my problem. [tdn] However, today is a better day than some in the recent past ........ [tup]

I'll check out that magazine you mentioned next time I'm at my LHS ...... thanx. There was a magazine especially made for S-gaugers, S Gaugian. I'm not a subscriber, nor am I sure they are still in business, but have some issues in my collection. This is or was probably THE magazine for those who prefer the 1:64 scale.

Nick[?] [yeah] C'mon back - buy a new computer - go to a library or cyber store and log on - do something! [swg]

Tom


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Posted by West Coast S on Monday, July 11, 2005 7:29 PM
Afternoon tom and the gang...I decide to say low this weekend and catch up some chores and review some new DVDs I purchased which brings me to my next topic.

The DVD SP 1941 has a shot of the City of San Francisco with E2 A-B-B power but the kicker is the lower skirt and truck color. The skirts and trucks are wearing a coat of Leaf Brown while the roof is Harbor Mist Gray over Armour Yellow. I thought I was pretty familar with UP/SP schemes but this one is the first example i've encountered with this mix. Perhaps passengerfan Al can inpart his wisdom. By this time UP had abandoned Leaf brown , guess Pullman didn't get the change order!

Glad to meet your aquaintance Theodorebear, not only am I aquainted with Model Railroad News, I do believe I derided the editor in front of a crowd of hundreds during a convention several years ago. For the life of me I can't recall what got me in a tither, he got off easy compared to those membership greedy bloodsucking NMRA folks.[soapbox] Maybe its time to bury the hachet and atone for past sins and adopt a be kind to those that cover S attitude , not too many of us out there.

Tom,gang sorry I missed Nick's party, a good time was had by all no doubt, so Nick a belated [bday] and a couple of drinks on me .

Tom.
Boris I fear has taken off with the Johnny Walker Black label again, I keep finding evidence of him having frequented the underside of the pool table, no other details need be provided . If you can retrieve a fresh bottle , i'd be forever in your grace.

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 11, 2005 7:25 PM
G'day passengerfan Al - Look, it's quite simple 'round here - come through those doors and head for YOUR stool! That should be memory crutch enough to remember where it came from! [swg] That's me - barkeep - knuckle rapper - and what did *** call me last week[?] - ah yes, housekeep!

That start up for Acela shouldn't be so tough to find and I'm sorry if it sounds so elementary - but how about contacting Amtrak[?] It's their train after all!

Ring the bell, Boris, the round is on Al [tup]

Tom

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 11, 2005 5:19 PM
Well all right, this is the way "Our"Place "ought-be-hittin'-all-da-time!" Today: we be like a Club Car when when everybody be "playin' the same tune!"[swg] Hmm-HMM![:D] Gunns anything for the #2926 will work from Santa Fe heavy weights (olive drab, picture window, open girder) coaches to Budd "fluted, stainless light weights" will do. Even the old G. I. Hospital Cars and "Kitchen Cars" can happen... take your pick. Just don't forget my "Georgia 300" (lease) will bring up the rear. Oh, BTW Kevin, how many MIG 22's did you bring down today?[tup]

Tom and Dave in regard to "S" guage, have you guys looked into "Model Railroad News?" This "Rag" (Monthly) seems to carry more than most for 3/16" modelers, along with "G," HO, ON3, "O," et al. I'm a subscriber for over a year now; I like it![^]

Where the Sam Hill is [C=:-)], Nick? The 3 bushels of Blue Fin Chesapeake Bay Maryland Crabs went so rancid that Boris had a "steam bake" for his "Rom" Clan.[alien] Okay, I gotta went, the Urban Renewal Bureauracrats are after last year's contract committments...what a nerve![zzz] Happy rails all.

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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, July 11, 2005 5:16 PM
Sorry Tom just took a quick breather from book and apoligize for tha lack of manners.
How about the usual and a round for the house. I am making good progress on book so hate to even leave it for a minute when I get in a good writing mood.
The areas of book that I am able to complete I'm going ahead with and those areas I am waiting for info on I am just leaving for now. Tome stands at 275 pages now and hope it will take less than 20 more to complete.
Just in case anyone happens to know I still need the original startup dates for the Acela trains? Everything else seems to be falling in place.
Well will close for now thx for the rap on the knuckles Tom I need it every once in a while.
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 11, 2005 4:56 PM
G'day Trainnut484 Russell ..... One cold draught comin' right up! [tup]

The FIRST ANNUAL “OUR” PLACE CLASSIC TRAINS RENDEZVOUS for the gang has been set for May 12th (Friday), 2006 in Toronto. Suggest you look at today's SUMMARY for the details ...... Send me an Email if you have other questions regarding this. We really want to keep that type of dialogue on a one-on-one basis and off of cyber space.

The Museum of Transport here in St. Louis County has had somewhat of a leadership fluctuation over the years. I'm hardly an expert nor a frequent visitor - but I do read the papers! Anyway, my guess is that your visit may have coincided with one of those down periods when they suffered along with a young person with NO experience whatsoever in the top leadership role. My understanding is that has changed for the better and things are definitely far better. Nevertheless, a very impressive collection and a hard working bunch of volunteers.

By the way, those F units look great! Love that war bonnet livery! [tup][tup]

Tom
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