Hi Tom and all
TOM A fine tribute on this poignant day. For our generation one will never forget where one was and what was doing when the tragic news came through. Many thanks for the link to The Freedom Train site,a wonderful site which is very well worth studying, I was not expecting the song by Bing and The Andrews Sisters as I had left the speakers on.Many thanks as well BK for the 1976 Freedom Train hauled by that great SP loco.
I was forgetting my manners so a Bathams for me and a round please to wet the new mascot FROSTBITES naming, a good selection..
LARS Glad you liked the pics, Alan has supplied me with the details, I have now got the details of the German ones so I will be able to show them. I noticed in the picture of the tank loco #80105,which enlarged larger on the forum than in my album,that a selection of diesel locos are in the background.
CM3 YES the Duchess is one fine loco. TheDuchesses or SEMIs as we call them hauled the top expresses through my home town before being displaced by diesels and electrics in the sixties finally bowing out in 1964. There are 3 preserved. One, City Of Birmingham was preserved direct to a museum in its namesake town and is in the same condition it left Crewe Works after being re-painted and has never steamed.The other two, #46229 Duchess of Hamilton and #6233 were bought by Butlins who exhibited them at Holiday Camps they ran. 46229 visited the United States in 1939 in its streamlined form, acting as the first member of the class # 46220 Coronation.
For more info on this loco I thought this is a great web site.
http://www.vintagetrains.co.uk/tlw_46229.htm.
# 46229 is being fitted with a Streamlined casing again although it wont be able to steam. 6233 is a regular performer on the main line today putting up some very fine performances. I recall a trip in the 80s with ' Hamilton' with a standing start at High Wycombe to the top of Sapperton Bank producing a horsepower equalling a record for steam traction in the UK, the sound was fantastic.
Can I Have a go at your quiz. 12 lines serving Kansas City.
Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe.
Chicago Burlington & Quincy.
Chicago Rock Island& Pacific
Chicago Great Western
Frisco
Illinois Central
Kansas City Southern
Missouri & Northern Arkansas
Missouri-Kansas-Texas
Missouri Pacific.
Union Pacific
Wabash
I need another pint after that, Look forward to the answers.
`LARS just caught your latest post and I will have a drink with you, if I may. I do hope too that others will read the fine tributes by BK and TOM.
Pete.
Well good evening gentlemen all,the usual round for the house and I think perhaps we should break out the special reserve rum for a toast to those of the New York emergency services who,when every right thinking person was getting as far away as possible,rolled up their sleeves and walked right into the holocaust to try and make things better & save some lives-Gentlemen-your actions on that day defined courage &self sacrifice for future generations,we salute you..........
Right,I`ve been away for a few days so will indulge in a little cherry-picking here in order not to waffle on endlessly:-
CM3-Indeed,Dinky`s are still very collectable over here-especially with original boxes.
I believe the most sought-after is the limited edition of Her Majestys Coronation coach and horses from 1953. Your mention of the Vulcan bomber reminds me,one has just been secured financially for restoration to full flying trim-the forerunner of the Concord,that most graceful of airplanes and a magnificent machine in it`s own right
TOM-A fine selection of pix,the Forth bridge is without doubt my favourite water crossing-to be sitting on the left side of the first Dundee-Edinburgh train of the day,as the sun comes up from out of the sea whilst crossing from Fife into Lothian is a truly magical experience.
Now-the Lethbridge viaduct, that looks like one very `spindly` structure by comparison...I`m sure it`s not so but even so..
Some extra detail on the first `Eurostar` pic-the camera is facing south (note the boards in the foreground marked DN-down I.E away from London,note also in the background a 3rd rail multiple unit,apparently wearing `Network South East` colours-the predecessor to the Connex franchise(although they have since been bounced out for failure to meet targets)-most of my earliest rail journeys started & ended on these units.
Also ,fine pix of the `Big Steam`-my earliest memories of American trains are of pix of C.N `Zebra` F units,Camelbacks and those bullet-nose Hudsons with their improbably huge coupling rods & bosses-all from one of those `world of trains `books gifted by an elderly aunt-a marvellous reminder,thank you
PETE-I envy you that Scots steam railtour -mark me in for the west coast tour if it happens-love those Irish shots-the first one demands a caption:-
Paddy (somewhat anxiously) "Jaysus,are ye after breaking it altogether ?"
Eamonn(somewhat muffled by machinery) "Ah sure and she`ll be grand,it`s just a wee tap she`s needing"
The Forest of Dean Loco has the look of a J94 `Austerity` about it......
The Bo`ness Std tank looks like the one Wrenn marketed in Caley colours back in the early `70`s.
The `45 reeks of brute power,the Duchess looks sublime---nice one mate
BK-nice pix of the Super Continental for ROB`S birthday-now can anyone fill in a detail for me-which came first ?-the zebra stripe with the red nose angled back and the stripes facing backwards on both sides (as in the pics) or the version with the red nose finishing vertically and the stripes leaning left on both sides....?
Also nice R.D.C &Turbo pix
DOUG-Interesting stuff on the Airline that never was,loved the engineer gags( I Have a similar collection of musician ones,courtesy of Sir Theodore)-as a barman myself I was delighted with the `etiquette for stewards`segment. If I tried that in the bars I work in the consequences would most likely make the national news.
The house is looking good by the way,interesting to see timber used as a principal building material-you would never get insurance on it over here-diff`rent strokes I guess
LARS-nice pix of those FP9`s complete with `winterisation` hatches-dinner party a success despite the guests(you know how it is )all china safely returned to cupboards,nice one also with the R.D.C & `big steam`shots-lovely stuff,although the mental image of Boris in waiters outfit is sufficient to take the shine off the day,any day
By the way-liked the `cracked bell` image-very appropriate to the day.....
MIKE-an excellent selection of URL`s,not only for the trains and planes(some beauties there) but also the people and places-a vanished way of life caught on camera-thanks for that,nice one mate
DAVE-Apologies for the noises from the freezer,it will take me a while to re-establish some degree of order `back of house`-Hope your time`on base` was at least useful-thanx also for the P.E stuff-appealed to my fondness for the off-beat & obscure
O.K. guys,I think thats everyone caught up with-My sincerest apologies to anybody I may have overlooked.
A last thought for the day (and I think this calls for another round of the special reserve rum)--whilst the events of 5 years ago were without doubt tragic, a similar number of children,around the world ,die every month due to entirely preventable causes such as disease & starvation......................................................................
take care folks,speak soon,
nick
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
Nick - Thanks for the information re the Vulcan. I had (still have) a fiar amount of Dinky Toy military vehicles such as trucks, etc.
Today is devoted to Kansas City Southern. So we'll get things started.
Bar Service in Missouri and Louisiana – Kansas City Southern’s Passenger Service in 1962.
“Here at Kansas City Southern we fell that we have an obligation to [provide good and ample passenger service to the people of our area. Yet we have reduced the number of our passenger trains since the peak war years – but only after convincing (and costly) proof that you, our patrons, no longer considered the service necessary.
We have no intention of going out of the passenger business. Rather, we hope to improve our service so that you and others may have the benefit of the safest, most enjoyable, most economical way to travel.”
W.N. Deramus, III, President, Kansas City Southern Lines.
The Kansas City Southern had several passenger trains operating in December, 1962. The schedules were arranged to provide overnight and daylight service between various points on the KCS.
Trains 1 and 2 the “Southern Belle,” ran between Kansas City and New Orleans.
Train 1 departed Kansas City at 9:25 a.m. with a 6:05 a.m. next morning arrival in New Orleans.
Train 2 departed New Orleans at 10:00 p.m. and arrived in Kansas City at 7:45 p.m. the next evening.
The “Southern Belle” carried chair cars between Kansas City and New Orleans; a diner lounge between Kansas City and New Orleans (bar service in Missouri and Louisiana) and 14 rtte/4db sleepers between Kansas City and New Orleans. The sleepers could be occupied until 7:00 a.m. in New Orleans.
Trains 15-9 and 10-16 offered service between Kansas City and New Orleans; the trains split at Shreveport. Trains 9 and 10 operated between Shreveport and New Orleans and trains 15 and 16 ran between Shreveport and Port Arthur.
15-9 left Kansas City at 10:15 p.m. and arrived in Shreveport at 12:20 p.m. the following afternoon. Train 9 departed Shreveport at 12:50 p.m. with a 7:55 p.m. New Orleans arrival. Train 15 departed Shreveport at 12:55 p.m. and arrived in Port Arthur at 6:35 p.m.
Train 10 departed New Orleans at 9:45 a.m., and arrived in Shreveport at 4:30 p.m. Train 16, meanwhile, left Port Arthur at 11:00 a.m., arriving in Shreveport at 4:40 p.m. The two trains were combined and departed Shreveport at 5:20 p.m., arriving in Kansas City at 7:00 the next morning.
Trains 15-9 and 10-16 handled chair cars between Kansas City and New Orleans, and 14 rette/4 db sleepers between Kansas City and Shreveport. A Kansas City-New Orleans snack-lounge-observation car (bar service in Missouri and Louisiana) filled out the consist. Trains 9 and 10 carried chair cars between Shreveport and Port Arthur and a snack-lounge-observation car (bar service in Missouri and Louisiana) between Shreveport and Port Arthur.
KCS heavily advertised their passenger service. Here are some ads from 1962.
You’ll like the privacy of a roomette.
A roomette is a self-contained unit, providing space to lounge by day and sleep at night in complete privacy. The roomy bed pulls down from the wall when you are ready to retire. Other features include a wash basin, concealed toilet, mirrors, space for your clothes and luggage, even mechanically cooled drinking water – all for your exclusive use. Air-conditioning and temperature can be adjusted to your taste.
Dine While You Ride
There is something unforgettable about dining on a railroad train...while town after town and mile after mile of scenery flash by the window. Many travelers say ‘it’s the highlight of the trip,’ and look forward to it with keen anticipation.
It will be a pleasure to have you dine with us when you travel on the KCS. And you’ll find that the thoughtful and courteous attention of our waiters, and the skill of our chefs combine to make your meal a memorable one.
Dining while you ride...while the South goes by the window...is a pleasant, never-to-be –forgotten experience.
Our prices are moderate – as example, try our ‘Chef’s Special’ at $1.35.
Now for answers to yesterday’s quiz.
The following trunk lines served Kansas City
Santa Fe
Burlington
Chicago and Northwestern
Milwaukee Road
Rock Island
GM&O
KCS
M-K-T
N&W (Wabash)
MP
UP
Work safe
Now arriving on track #1
RR Theme for the Day - Number Four
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KCS ad (from: KCS Historical Society)
Powered by an EMD E3 locomotive, Kansas City Southern Railway tain No. 1, the Southern Belle, passes through Kansas City, Missouri on August 17, 1940.
“Drumhad” logos such as these often adorned the ends of observation cars on the Southern Belle.
The Southern Belle was a named passenger train service offered by Kansas City Southern Railway (KCS) form the 1940s through the 1960s, running between Kansas City, Missouri and New Orleans, Louisiana.
The service was inaugurated on September 2, 1940. To promote the new train, KCS held a beauty contest to find “Miss Southern Belle,” a young woman whose image would be used in advertising materials systemwide. Local competitions were held before the train’s launch in all of the cities that the KCS served. The ultimate winner of the competition, Margaret Landry Moore, was the winner of the local competition in Baton Route, Louisiana. She was selected as “Miss Southern Belle” at the final competition in New Oleans, Louisiana, on August 24, 1940.
The last run of the Southern Belle was on November 2, 1969.
Equipment used
Just before inauguration, Pullman-Standard delivered three new lighteight passenger car sets to the KCS for use on the Southern Belle. Each set consisted of a combination baggage-RPO-dormitory (car numbers 64, 65 and 66), a 74-seat coach chair car (cars 234, Pittsburg, 235, Joplin, and 236, Texarkana), and a dining-observation car (car numbers 54, Kansas City, 55, Shreveport, and 56, New Orleans).
The KCS rebuilt five heavyweight Pullman sleepers for use on the Southern Belle, making them look like their lightweight counterparts and increasing the number of double bedrooms in each., Cars Siloam Springs (formerly McBurny) and Sulphur Springs (formerly McLarty) were rebuilt in time for the train’s inauguration. Initially, Pullman service was only offered between New Orleans and Shreveport, Louisiana. In 1941, car Barksdale (formerly McAllisterville) was added to the train’s operation when Pullman service was extended from Shreveport to Kansas City. The first two rebuilt cars were joined a few months later by rebuilt cars State Capital (formerly McElheran) and Mena (formerly McKullo) on the southern leg of the train’s schedule.
After World War II, the train was re-equipped with some new cars built in 1948 by American Car and Foundry (ACF), and by rebuilding some of the original Pullman-Standard cars. Two of the diner-observation cars were rebuilt into tavern-obsesrvation cars, car 54, Kansas City (renamed to Good Cheer), and 55, Shreveport (renamed Hospitality), remained in Southern Belle service. The new cars built by ACF equipped two new consists. Each of the new consists included:
. . . . . one combination baggage-RPO-dormintory (car #67 and 68)
. . . . . one 62-seat coach chair car (car #239, Kansas City, and #240, Texarkana)
. . . . . two 60-seat coach chair cars (car #241, Shreveport, #242, Alexandria, #243,
. . . . . Baton Rouge, and #244, New Orleans)
. . . . . one 36-seat diner (car #57, Old Plantation, and #58, Mountain Home)
. . . . . four 14 roomette, 4-double bedroom sleepers (cars Arthur Stilwell, Colonel
. . . . . Fordyce, Harvey Couch, Job Edson, Leonor Loree, Stuart Knott, William
. . . . . Buchanan and William Edenborn)
The previously-mentioned tavern-observatoin cars rounded out the ends of the two consists. Between 1962 and 1964, these cars were renumbered and the car names were dropped. The train’s consists remained relatively unchanged between 1948 and the train’s discontinuance in 1969.
KCS EMD FP9A #2 eastbound near Jackson, MS (foto credit: Kip Brewer)
G’day Gents!
Happy 17th Month Anniversary to all who give a “Rat’s Patoot” about this bar ‘n grill! Been a long haul to this point – but still more good times than not . . .
Set ‘em up, Ruth – drinks on Da Boss – “spiked’ OJ, or whatever flicks their switches!
Having a Dickens of a time with my laptop dropping out of synch with the router. Been on the phone so much lately with “tech support” that we’re on first name basis. Only thing is – I have no clue what his name is – can only understand every third word! Perhaps THAT’s why we can’t get this resolved – wudjathink <grin> Dontchajustloveit
Been a rather looooooooong morning for Moi as my “theme” submission took me over 2 hours just to get it to Post. Had to retype the entire thing – twice – due to some mysterious formatting glitch that kept “previewing” something that looked far different from what I had in my WP. Finally gave up and began again – and again. Oh, for the “good old days” of the former Kalmbach Forums! <groan>
Noted the absence of Doug 'n Mike – the former must be working himself into a frazzle and the latter we hope is in good health. Miss both contributors ‘round the Tavern by the Tracks!
Noted some suggestions regarding tweetable offenses (offences) for one – trolleyboy Rob. Well, I’ve submitted them to the “committee” and we’ll see what they come up with. Someone, far wiser than I, mentioned at a staff meeting I was a part of that “a committee can lay claim to fame for studying a horse – only to come with findings that it was indeed a camel.” Humor in there somewhere, eh Anyway, Rob – you may be in serious “doo doo” with the guys here at the bar for your “alleged” transgressions . . . . Ain’t the first time – and surely won’t the be last, I presume!
Want to make special mention of our friend pwolfe Pete and his unwavering support of our bar ‘n grill. Not only willing to spring for the drinks, but have you ever noticed him turning down any “freebies” Anyway, Pete’s contributions are most appreciated and what is especially rewarding is that he reads what is Posted and responds in kind! Now that’s the way we all should do it. There aren’t that many Posts to cull through these days – so c’mon – interactive is the word! Along with several others that come to mind! <grin>
A lengthy visit from Nick along with all kinds of prophetic outpourings. Always good to see our former Chief Chef back on his stool and of course, in the kitchen. Once he gives us the word – we’ll restore him to his “lofty” status amongst the crew and staff in the Saloon by the Siding.
Many thanx to Lars for keeping things moving yesterday along with BK 'n CM3. Really kinda strange without our friend Doug providing the early morning wake up calls.
Appreciate seeing CM3 kick off the “theme for the day” – as I was mired down in my ‘puter saga. Always good stuff from our WVA connection. Must make mention that there must be a “bunch” of his who have “ties” to the old NY Giants football teams. Oh do I remember the games at the old Polo Grounds. Used to sit in the end zone for $2 a seat if I recall – perhaps even less. That was in the early 50s – saw many NFL great players – Otto Graham of the Browns was my favorite. Don’t have a clue why I liked them – but they had some great players as well – remember Lou “the toe” Groza How is this “classic trains” related Hmmmmmmmm – used to take the subway up from South Station – that has to count for something! Far in those days I believe was 7 cents for a subway token – 5 cents for the Staten Island Ferry and another 7 cents for the bus to get my friend and I to the ferry. One could easily see how just a few bucks could sustain for the day . . .
Gotta head out – petrol is now $2.25 (rounded) and have to fill up the gas cans for my never ending lawn care chores. I’m one of a very few who still takes care of their own property. Oh the laziness of this society never ceases to make me want to head for the lee side! <groan>
Boris, ring the bell - round #2! And who let those critters loose
Later!
Tom
Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!
Ruth, please set up the bar with whatever the patrons would like and I will savor just a hot mug of coffee with just a “splash’ to make it interesting. On this the 17th month Anniversary of “Our” Place – enjoy a drink on me!
I took it upon myself to “master” the techniques of using the Kalmbach “search” capability and was able to track down just a few of the guys who at one time or another were referred to as “regulars” at “Our” Place:
CFournier Chris – remember him? He was “Our” Place’s first customer – first member of the “Order of the Stools - Permanent” – and a most attentive contributor for many months. A recipient of a Birthday Bash and much concern during an illness. Where is he now? Hard to say, however – he was last seen at “Our” Place on Sep 20th, 2005 after a series of lengthy absences. He has posted 22 times since, on other threads – last on June 15th, 2006.
Trainnut484 Russell – remember him? He was a stalwart provider of photos for Sunday along with much information regarding the Santa Fe – a recipient of a Birthday Bash and so forth. A member of the “Order of the Stools” too. Where is he now? Hard to say, however – he was last seen at “Our” Place on April 14th, 2006 after a lengthy absence. He has posted 18 times since, on other threads – last on July 18th, 2006.
Gunns Kevin – remember him? He was most times a late night contributor of “hands on” information regarding the refurbishing aspects of real railroading. Also a member of the “Order of the Stools” and a Birthday Bash recipient. Where is he now? Hard to say, however – he was last seen at “Our” Place on April 12th, 2006 (one year Anniversary) after a lengthy absence and has posted 7 times since, on other threads – last on July 29th, 2006.
Earlydiesels Dan – remember him? He was a long time customer, member of the “Order of the Stools” and a strong supporter of the bar. Received a Birthday Bash. He experienced an illness – many of us expressed concern – and where is he now? He was last seen at “Our” Place on April 12th, 2006 (one year Anniversary”) after a lengthy absence and hasn’t been seen since on the forums.
Wrwatkins Dick – remember him? He was a long time customer, member of the “Order of the Stools – Permanent” and a frequent contributor, albeit “one way” most of the time. Received a Birthday Bash. Also, Tom visited with him in Dallas for a memorable RDC experience on a grand tour of the rail transportation systems. So, where is he now? He was last seen at “Our” Place on December 24th, 2005 after a lengthy absence and has posted 18 times since, on other threads – last on March 27th, 2006.
Passengerfan Al – remember him? He was one of the 1st customers at “Our” Place when it opened, a Permanent member of the “Order of the Stools,” a recipient of a most “unusual” Birthday Bash and perhaps the most prolific contributors this thread or any other has ever seen. It has been several months since he was a “regular” contributor – due to health and computer problems along with other issues. He was last seen for a brief visit at “Our” Place on August 19th and on Tom’s “other thread” the same day and has not been seen since.
Theodorebear Ted, remember him? Permanent member of the “Order of the Stools” – staunch supporter of Tom and contributor to“Our” Place. A Birthday Bash recipient and participant at the 1st Annual “Our” Place Rendezvous in Toronto. So, where is he now? He was last seen at “Our” Place on July 8th, 2006 and has posted once since on another thread on July 15th, 2006.
There are many other “names,” but my focus has been on those who were at one time considered as “regulars” and “supporters” of “Our” Place rather than simply occasional visitors.
Now, there is absolutely nothing to “make” of all this data, but it is indeed interesting to look at and wonder – why? What happened? Where are these guys who at a point in their cyber lives were very active and very supportive. Now – just memories to a dwindling number who remember “when.”
I wish all of the aforementioned best wishes in whatever it is they are doing with their leisure time and in no way am “begging” for their return. That is a personal choice and one that must be respected – no matter how puzzling.
BK in Alberta, Canada’s beautiful high mountain country!
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
Thanks for all the posts and pictures for Patriot Day, always current in memory
http://memory.loc.gov/award/mhsdalad/020000//020074r.jpg
Founded in 1887 by Arthur E. Stilwell, The Kansas City Southern Railway Company (KCSR) was built on a north-south axis while the other railroads were being built east and west. Stilwell visualized a railroad from the heart of the U.S. to the Gulf of Mexico to move agricultural products for export to an ocean port via the shortest possible land route. The railroad was completed in the late 1800s from Kansas City to Port Arthur, Texas, which is named after Arthur Stilwell.
Stilwell also visualized building a railroad from Kansas City to Mexico to reach the Port of Topolabampo, the shortest land route to the Pacific Ocean to make Midwest grain competitive in the Asian market. While the vision was not realized in his lifetime, KCS never stopped pursuit of the vision to reach Mexico.
In the mid-1990s, major rail mergers were underway in the western part of the U.S., allowing two major rail carriers to control approximately 90 percent of rail traffic west of the Mississippi River. At the time, KCSR was a smaller, regional railroad whose very existence was threatened by these consolidations. The holding company, Kansas City Southern Industries, Inc. (now Kansas City Southern) either had to ready itself for sale or grow to survive. It chose to pursue a strategy to invest in Mexico, almost a century after Stilwell's vision.
Today, KCSR has been brought under common control with The Texas Mexican Railway Company and Kansas City Southern de Mexico, S.A. de C.V. to form a rail network with primary lanes stretching from Kansas City, Missouri to Lazaro Cardenas to Veracruz, Mexico and from Dallas, Texas to Meridian, Mississippi.
Arthur Stillwell
http://www.museumofthegulfcoast.org/Content/Personalities/Notable_People/Arthur_Stilwell
The Bill Doremuses
Unlike most boys, Bill Deramus had a head start on his ambition to be a railroad engineer. His father was a division superintendent of the Kansas City Southern Railway Co., and frequently took Bill on rides. Bill never became an engineer, but last week he did even better. At 33, he became president of the Chicago Great Western Railway Co.-the youngest president of any Class I road in the U.S.
The new job climaxed ten short years of railroading for William N. Deramus III, who is as big and brawny as a coal passer. Fresh out of Harvard Law in 1939, he started as a transportation department apprentice with the Wabash Railroad in St. Louis, two years later became assistant terminal master. During the war, as an Army major in India, he ran a ramshackle railroad which carried supplies to the Ledo Road. Said he: "After I got through with that line I was about ready to become a truck driver."
At war's end, he went to work for his father, now president of the Kansas City Southern, as assistant to the general manager. From there on, the tracks were cleared. Deramus Sr. worked with a stockholders' group that was dissatisfied with the management of Chicago Great Western, succeeded in making Coalman Grant Stauffer president last fall. Stauffer made young Bill Deramus his assistant in the Great Western, whose 1,500 miles of track tap six Midwestern states. Young Bill trimmed costs so well that when Stauffer died last March, he was the logical man for the presidency. Now with freight carload-ings off 5.4% from 1948 (v. nearly a 10% average drop for all roads), Bill Deramus hopes to cut costs more by dieselizing the entire line by fall.
Ruth fired! Time Magazine, November 10, 1961 (www.time.com)
William N. Deramus III, 45, former president of the Missouri-Kansas-Texas Railroad, takes over from his 73-year-old father as president of Kansas City Southern Railway. In his four years at the debt-racked Katy, hard-bitten "Young Bill" alienated local affection by reducing employment, skimping on maintenance. At K.C.S. he will find that Father Deramus has the line in such good shape that it earned $3,400,000 for 1961's first eight months. As a replacement for Young Bill, Katy turned to Charles T. Williams, 51, the line's executive vice president, who is expected to continue young Deramus' ruthless cost cutting.
Grand Central Station
http://www.kclibrary.org/lhimgs/kcpl/regular/10005991_reg.jpg
http://www.kclibrary.org/lhimgs/kcpl/regular/10005990_reg.jpg
Electro-Motive Corporation
Impressed with the demonstration tour of what became the first standard passenger diesel with the new 567-series prime movers - the E3A demonstrator No. 822, the KCS bought that very unit and also ordered a second unit. Both were delivered on July 31, 1939 and placed in service on the heavyweight Flying Crow, the premier train of the KCS. However, they were intended for use on the new, streamlined Southern Belle due to be delivered in mid-1940. A third E3 unit was delivered in June of 1940. (www.railway classics.com)
http://www.railwayclassics.com/images/kcs01/EMD%20E3A%20on%20KCS.jpg
http://www.railwayclassics.com/images/kcs01/1%20-%201939.jpg
http://www.railwayclassics.com/images/kcs01/3%20-%2040L.jpg
Otto Perry photos
2-10-4 Pittsburg, Kansas 1937
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00012402+OP-12402
2-8-8-0 Pittsburg 1937
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00012399+OP-12399
4-6-2 The Flying Crow, near Kansas City 1934
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00012401+OP-12401
EMD F3 Eve, Missouri 1951
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00012404+OP-12404
Kansas City Southern photos
Southern Belle
http://cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_085_kcs_southern_belle_new_orleans_la_1969.jpg
Observation car
http://cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_086_kcs_lounge_observation_car_kc_mo_1967%20.jpg
EMD F7
http://cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_081_kcs_emd_f7_passenger_livery_colors.jpg
Texarkana
http://cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_077_kcs_texarkana_tx_depot_1968.jpg
KCS Route Map
http://cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_078_kcs_route_map.jpg
1940 Timetable cover
http://cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_079_kcs_passenger_timetable_1940.jpg
Steam freight train
http://cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_080_kcs_62_car_freight_page_okla_1946.jpg
Fairbanks Morse
http://cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_082_kcs_fairbanks_morse_sheffield_jct_kc_mo.jpg
EMD SD40
http://cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_083_kcs_4_emd_sd40s_gregory_blvd_kc_mo.jpg
EMD SD50
http://cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr5_084_kcs_3_emd_sd50s_red_river_ashdown_ak.jpg
NERAIL photos
KCS 1
http://naphotos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2003072920272710991.jpg&byrail%3A3%3AKansas_City_Southern
http://naphotos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2003061719581729771.jpg&byrail%3A4%3AKansas_City_Southern
Switcher
http://naphotos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2005051922250225664.jpg&byrail%3A2%3AKansas_City_Southern
New locomotive
http://naphotos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2006081020280527947.jpg&byrail%3A1%3AKansas_City_Southern
Photogenic locos in Ireland, Pete. Don't know any more about it, but there was a Flying Dutchess in Chattanooga in 1979
http://www.30937.co.uk/pix/1979OCT09RWBR015cs.jpg
http://www.30937.co.uk/pix/1979OCT09RWBR017cs.jpg
http://www.30937.co.uk/pix/1979OCT09RWBR024cs.jpg
p.s. Waldorf Salad (New York Central Building)
http://www.mcny.org/images/content/0/7/078.jpg
G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!
Set 'em up Leon - better late than never! Been quite a day - don't wanna talk about it!!
So, it's "Theme for the Day!" and I see we've had Captain Tom - CM3 I'm Not Shane! - BK 'n Mike join in on the festivities.
A fantastic pix journey from Captain Tom in that splendid post - always look forward to those compilations. Never think that they aren't appreciated - they are!
Mike, most interesting write up and more URLs than I could ever handle in one evening - especially one like this.
CM3 I'm Not Shane! So what are the answers Good Gawd Gertie (as Tom likes to say, and Rob likes to parrot) what's the delay Ain't no way I know the answers. . .
BK - Hey "bookend" you must be in some frame of mind to have spent time researching that kinda stuff! So, they are gone-zo, and we're not! What really makes me wonder with a few of 'em - is why they ever were here in the first place. I mean, surely appears as if the snookered those of us who really do give a "Rat's Patoot"! No matter - an interesting research project which tells us a bit more about YOU and what you THINK about!
And now - a little something from me:
KCS books!
As always, an interesting post from Left Coast Dave - must've been quite a honeymoon! That's a real "neat" animation and everytime I see it, I laff out loud (LOL) !! Regarding the repainting rumor - why not Don't know why some guys get their knickers in a knot over what UP has done - I like seeing the old liveries come back. If not - they are surely relegated to join Tom's Legion of the Lost!
Good to see the return of Mike! Thought we lost ya . . . . and I don't know - the Penguin animation cudda just as easily been you and me! <grin>
The night time visit from Nick in West Wales always adds to the flavor of this place - used to be something we all looked forward to. Do you suppose the man is really back with us Have an ale on me, mate!
Unlike SOME PEOPLE 'round here - I'll give you a heads up, Tom - I may not be around for a few days - but surely wanted to provide my KCS info B4 getting involved in the never ending excitement of Lars on the Island! <groan>
Until the next time!
Lars
Well good evening gentlemen all,I trust I find you all well ?
Since we have the 17 month anniversary upon us and by a curious example of synchronicity, today is also Missisnick & I`s 17th anniversary (really..), let the drink flow freely-not only the special reserve rum but also the extra extra special cognac & single malt (obtained by H&H on a recent Zeppelin flight back to the old country)-all drinks tonight are with me-sorry folks, your money is no good tonight
In order to line the stomachs for an unexpected mid-week carousing I have taken the liberty of preparing some oven-fresh baguettes brim full of pan fried Welsh black fillet steak ,button mushrooms & sweet onions,with just a breath of garlic & cayenne pepper-they are over there by the pickle jar,get `em while they`re fresh--enjoy .
So-to the business of the day-K.C.S-thanks to CM3 & TOM for some top-flight stuff-I can`t decide whether I prefer the exceedingly elegant black livery or the `sunshine` version on the preserved unit featured with PETE in foreground recently...........again the `information superhighway` proves it`s worth
Since I know only what I have learned here about the K.C.S ,I am prepared to risk a "tweeting" by wandering -received today,as an anniversary gift from herself,a 12 disc D.V.D set of great railway journeys.
Only had a brief dip so far ,but the Canadian disc includes a trip from Montreal to Toronto with 2 F40ph`s on the point and a full set of Budd cars with the `Revelstoke Park` on the tail-Ring any bells TOM?
Some interesting motive power elsewhere-The Brazilian segment includes what appears to be a Budd R.D.C 1 converted to 3` 6" gauge with the disc brakes sitting well out from the trucks ,also a pair of what look like double-ended F7`s sitting on 4 trucks and powered by overhead electric-not unlike the Tri-Ang transcontinental model that PETE may remember from the early `60`s.
The Cuban segment is even more weird & wonderfull-what look like vintage Brill trolleys,a centre cab Bo-Bo hauling converted ambulance/troop cars (both overhead electric ) and what looked like an Alco RS2 or 3 but running on either Co-Co or A1A-A1A trucks (possibly ex-C.N units designed for branch line service-this rings a distant bell....advice welcomed)
Mexico featured the Copper Canyon route-a very clean looking geep-(either 38 or 40 ) with modern stock plus some passing shots of more old troop cars now serving as static dormitories.
Right I guess that`s me played out for now-gonna go and fill Herr Wurlitzers constantly empty throat,get the room moving-first up `Brown Sugar` & `Mustang Sally` for no better reason than that we threw them into the set tonight in advance of Saturdays show with my `New Rose`band and using the same logic,`Copperhead Road` by Steve Earle,`Love is the drug` by Roxy Music & `Badge` by Cream from last weeks `Riptide` workout
Take care folks,speak soon
TTFN,nick
Hey-looks like Lars & Mike both crept in through the door behind me-LARS-- fine posters,love that artwork ,MIKE -going to open those URL`s now-the drinks are on the bar,likewise some munchies-Lars -appreciate the drink offer but tonight Im in the chair
Is this like the Coffee Pot on the CTT forum?
Talk about a Classic Train, N&W Powhatan Arrow.
A Classic Locomotive N&W Class J-611.
o.k-a good start-care to expand on this at all.??.............by the way the bar is over here-grab a drink,they`re on me tonight,there should also be some steak rolls left
This place is more about discussion than large print statement-talk us through your train of choice,we are genuinely interested-whats the J-611 all about,whats the consist,whats the route (I`m a Brit-I don`t know these things -please share)-others are equally interested,all the best ,
Good morning Tom and friends. I'll have a light breakfast please, make my excuses and then head-off for job1. Seems I'm popular over at job2, and I've been working it since Saturday. I'll be there again tonight. It pays so lousy that I take all (well most) of the hours they make available. SOrry I'm missing the action at the bar, but I know you all understand. Have a great day!
This is supposedly the transcript of an actual radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995.Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations on November 10, 1995. Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision. Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision. Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course. Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course. Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS, AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER-MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.
G'day Gents!
A bit more gloom here in mid-continent USA, however - the front has passed thru - temps are more fall-like - and petrol up at "Collusion Corner" is still at $2.25 (rounded).
Aside from some rather obvious absences - our "Theme for the Day - KCS" was successful. Nice "rounding" from Lars with those book covers - along with the input from Mike (and URLs). A "Robless" day - a "Peteless" day - and a "Dougless (not Douglas <grin>) day! Hope these "regulars" take the time to check out what's been Posted - some good stuff indeed!
When was the last time we saw Nick make 3 Posts in one session Can't recall, eh Neither can I! Good to see ya becoming more active - BUT - is THIS what Brits do on their Wedding Anniversaries Hmmmmm - no wonder the birth rate is dropping over there . . . On the serious side - Congrats to you and "Missinick" for 17 years of wedded bliss! <right>
Really enjoyed the Post from Dave- and we'll have to look into that "compound" idea for the critters - don't know why this was addressed to Rob - he's been AWOL for quite awhile 'round here - last Posted on page 389 on Sep 6th - anyway, yes the mascots should have a place to "call their own" - other than Juneau - he's hardly a critter. There's room out back for something that won't detract from the aesthetics of our fine looking establishment.
Also, CM3 made the observation regarding Boris being face down in the Penguin chow! Good Gawd Gertie - WHAT are you smoking out there on the Left Coast <swg]
Doug - that "transcript" you provided is always good for a laugh - have seen it in several iterations over many years. Seriously doubt that it is real - but then, SOME PEOPLE north of the border would "take it to the bank!" <grin> Having "battled" one or two lighthouses in my days on the bridge - I've found they ALWAYS get the right-of-way!
Lars - always good to have you onboard and certainly hope that things settle down for you and the Mrs. on the homefront. We'll miss ya 'round here - although my guess is you'll pop in whenever the opportunity presents itself - for there's no one who has been more dedicated to the resurgence of activitiy 'round here than you. [tup ]
BK - what's to say other than - that's quite a rundown on those who "used to be." I too have checked from time to time on some of those names - just to see if they are frequenting the Forums, but not our Thread. When I saw they were - it really ticked me off - not so much that they were doing so - but that they didn't have the common courtesy to at least ship me an E-mail to say 'good bye' or . . . Many of those B'day Bashes took a lot of time and effort to make THEM a bit happier and I look upon those who dropped out without so much as a fair-thee-well as very insulting. But - such is life - "We takes what we gets!"
And finally - as we have done so many, many times on these pages: a comment for a newcomer:
NStrackman - I suggest that you review the first few pages on this Thread in order to find out what we're all about and how we "do things" in this cyber bar 'n grill for adults. Then check out the last few pages to see what the most current dialogue is all about and who the "customers" are. Should you come back, you'll get your "official welcome" along with a free drink and we'll then be more than willing to engage you in discussing any "classic RR" you wish to bring up.
Okay guys, that's it for me - remember RUTH has the bar at 9 AM 'til 5 PM when Leon the Nightman comes in 'til closing.
Boris - ring the bell and serve 'em up all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the hous and $ for the jukebox.
Rainy today - gas prices are at $2.43 here in the coalfields; filled the beast on the way to work this a.m.
Enjoyed reading abt the KCS. The KCS Fairbanks Morse picture that Mike provided was a good one! IIRC, KCS had a fair number (10, I believe) of A and B Erie builts.
Nick - Zeppelin-delivered drinks? Wow! How about a toast to Frank Luke, wherever he may be - that name will probably make a few folks scratch their heads. Also congrats on 17...
Lars' comments were interesting as usual. If I am voting for UP heritage units, my first choice is the one they did for SP, and my second is the one for D&RGW. The SP unit is beautiful, IMHO.
B4 I forget, quiz answers were posted yesterday at 8:40 a.m.
I'll try and drop by later today.
work safe
PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS!
I have been notified that a photo on "my other Thread" has apparently been used without the permission of the photographer.
I have no other information with regard to which photo and so forth.
In my own case, I use Trainweb.org and Trainweb.com for many photos and will review the caveats and so forth on those sites to ensure that no violations were made by me. If they were, they weren't deliberate. Mea culpa (maybe).
Before providing photos, ensure that no copyright or other infringements may come into play when Posting photos. Apparently "crediting" Trainweb isn't sufficient.
Hi Tom and all.
I wasn't too well yesterday, but feeling better today, sorry to have missed the17th anniversary of Our Place and Nick,s wedding anniversary, with Nick buying the beer all night.
As I am still a tad delicate I had better have a coffee and I'll try a Ham roll please RUTH and a round for the great KCS day yesterday.
As I say a great theme day on a line I seen some of their locos but knew very little about. Very well started by CM3 with the Passenger trains and the KCS adverts.
TOM Great Southern Belle info and pics I have found the Southern Belle song on the KCS Historical Soc site
http://www.kcshs.org/song.htm.
The KCS FP9s look good in that paint scheme I thought. I read recently that the KCS was doing a trip for the Missouri Orchestra For what I gathered from the article they were going to use the cars they got from St Louis earlier in the year, after some refurbishment.I dont know if they got the diesels that used to be at Union Station St Louis as part of the deal, if they did it would interesting to know if they are going to paint them in a KCS livery.Hopefully they may publish a photo.
MIKE Many thanks for the KCS history and the link to Arthur Stilwell is well worth looking at. As usual great links with the steam and diesel , liked the FM locos and the one of a KCS diesel barely a month old. Interesting pics of the old KC Grand Central Station .
As to the loco in Ireland I have to admit it as got me beat. Perhaps Nick may be able to help,if not I will ask Alan to have a look when he gets back..
LARS Sorry to hear you are having a bad time at the moment I really hope things are on an even keel real soon. Many thanks for those great book covers.
DAVE Any photos of those Steeple Cabs. The Great Central preserved line is unique in the UK at the present, as they have relayed the second track on about 5 miles of their line and it is now possible to have trains passing at speed, although this is at a slow speed set down by the light railway order. If the main line steam does finish in theUK as it was a former main line, it should be possible to raise the speed limit on the Great Central. I had something on the Great Central on the word proccessor but I managed to delete it somehow. .
DOUG Always good to see you although I realise how busy you are. I read the same piece about the aircraft carrier and the lighthose in a British newspaper quite a while back.
BK. Well researched piece on the old members who used to frequent Our Place, surely, like us when the bar was closed, they must miss it from time to time.
NICK Happy Anniversary for yesterday. I have looked into a bit of the history of the 0-6-0 saddle tank JESSIE. She was built by Hunslet of Leeds in 1937 so was a forerunner of the Austerities. She spent her working life at Eastmoors steelworks in Cardiff. Withdrawn in 1965 she was put on display at Splott park in Cardiff. After suffering from vandelism, moved to the Dean Forest Railway in 1980 before going to Llangollen in 1998 and steaming there at the end of 2003.
Thats a great set of DVDs, unfortunatly it is a different system over here for playing them although the computer will play UK dvds It says I am limited to how many apparently. I have some old videos in the UK I will have to see if there is any way of getting some equipment that will play them.
TOM That penguin video is great, what is it about Penguins that I could watch their antics for ages. And was that the first pic of TEX, it is good to see there is no lasting marks from the run in with the groundhog.
I have taken note of the post on the photos.
Anyway I will see how well Iam by trying a Bathams RUTH and another round please.
Leon, a round for the house - and
Boris, ring the bell!
Nice Post from Pete and sorry to learn that you were a bit under the weather. Hope you're on the upswing now and making plans for your trip to Merry Olde.
Penguins ARE most interesting creatures and that animated Post is a rib tickler, fer sure! <grin>
And yes - Awk now has a representative characature so there will be no mistkaing him for here on out! Yes, that groundhog "affair" is still good for a laugh - depending on which side of it one happened to be on! <smile>
Lars - received your Email and I wouldn't spend a whole lot of time and effort over it. Happens - but as long as we take the time to use caution - things should work out. I do see some significant changes for our Sunday Photo Posting Day! insofar as the continued use of Pix from sites such as trainweb.com and trainweb.org. It wasn't them making the complaint - however, all of those Pix "belong" to someone. My impression - obviously false - was that they could be used unless specifically prohibited by the photographer. So much for that . . .
Hope things get back to an even keel for you and your family. Watching someone "go" is never something any of us revel in thinking about or experiencing . . .
Not much more to make comment on as we've had a really S-L-O-W day - so, I'll take my leave and see y'all in the 'morrow.
Evening all-beers all round for them as wants `em ,juice or coffee for the rest......
Thanks to all for the good wishes....TOM-we did manage to "celibrate" our union and will be having a meal later in the week
I fear I may be to blame for the photo incident-if it`s Bob Boudreau`s pic of the O.N.R TEE train I lifted it from the O.N.R site and forwarded it to you in the seemingly erroneous belief that posting on the `net constitutes public domain-if so ,please accept my sincere apologies for any embarressment caused and forward any further communications to me
PETE & MIKE-Have studied those `Irish` pics carefully and my initial conclusions are :- it has the look of a Fox-Walker product about it-not sure if any of those were exported, the track looks to be standard rather than 5`3" gauge and lacking the white limestone ballast I associate with Irish track, the bloody great `lion on a unicycle` British Railways logo on the side tank is a bit out of place,the carriage doesn`t have the slightly wider look of Irish stock....in short,I think its a Brit of some sort-also there appears to be an American clerestory roof `heavyweight` behind the first coach..........any thoughts ?
Thanks for the heads up on Jessie-she looks to be in prime condition
Thought for the day:-definition of a wife-a woman who will sleep with you when only half drunk
On which happy note,another round for those with the strength to take it,it`s the moonlight mile for me-sleep well one and all
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.
So Nick confesses to implicate the blameless.
Where is Inspector Clueless?
Flying Dutchess was a British built 0-6-0T Tank engine is all I know.
For Dave, the Butte St. Yard
http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/buttestyardfromsouthend52.JPG
6th & Main Station (and many pics at this website, including Steeple)
http://206.103.49.193/pe/htm/pe473.htm
Blue Line operates in the red
http://206.103.49.193/pe/htm/pe413.htm
Southern California snowstorm !
http://206.103.49.193/pe/htm/pe398.htm
Meridian, Conn. station, Blizzard of '88
http://cho.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/Pscandoc.cgi?app=22&folder=3666&doc=1
Bolton Notch, Conn. steam
http://cho.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/Pscandoc.cgi?app=21&folder=1103&doc=1
Footbridge over CV tracks
http://cho.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/Pscandoc.cgi?app=21&folder=1362&doc=1
CV steam at Yantic Falls
http://cho.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/Pscandoc.cgi?app=21&folder=1363&doc=1
Turntable
http://cho.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/Pscandoc.cgi?app=18&folder=86&doc=1
Putnam, Conn.
http://cho.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/Pscandoc.cgi?app=21&folder=1275&doc=1
Automobiles
http://cho.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/Pscandoc.cgi?app=22&folder=840&doc=1
New London
http://cho.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/Pscandoc.cgi?app=21&folder=1369&doc=1
http://cho.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/Pscandoc.cgi?app=21&folder=1370&doc=1
Mike
Copyright rules - gotta love it! It's like anything else developed by a committee. I'd better stop there b4 Boris drags me to the rat room and the penguin throws me in the "cooler."
Interesting pictures of Connecticut. The shot of Meriden in the Blizzard of '88 was a good one as were the pictures of New London, which has not changed all that much. The tracks are still close to the harbor.
Awhile back I posted some material on the "Liberty Limited." Here's some material realating to 1942 ers PRR departures from Chicago to the east. I have put together a set of material which I plan to post every so often. Enjoy the train names and the services available.
Chicago – East Service – Morning Departures (Summary)
No.
Train
Depart
Arrive
52
“New Yorker”
9:30 a.m.
6:35 a.m.
Chicago-New York sleeping cars: 12 section/drawing room (more than one); diner lounge (Chicago-Pittsburgh)
22
“Manhattan Limited”
11:30 a.m.
7:20 a.m.
Chicago-New York sleeping cars: Compartment/ drawing room buffet; 12 section/ drawing room; 10 section/3 double bedroom
Chicago-Washington sleeping car: 12 section/ drawing room ( to train 50 at Pittsburgh)
Pittsburgh-Scranton sleeping car: 12 section/ drawing room – to DL&W at Sunbury
Diner: Chicago-Pittsburgh;
Coach: Chicago-New York
22-50
“Manhattan Limited/ Statesman”
7:40 a.m. (Washington)
Pittsburgh-Washington sleeping cars: 6 double bedroom/ buffet lounge; 8 section/5 double bedrooms; 12 section/ drawing room
Coaches: Pittsburgh- Washington
Trains 22 and 50 ran together until reaching Pittsburgh at 9:30 p.m. Train 50 departed Pittsburgh at 10:55 p.m. arriving in Washington at 7:40 the next morning.
22-36
“Manhattan Limited/ Philadelphia Express
7:10 a.m. (Phila.)
Pittsburgh-Philadelphia sleeping cars: 10 section/buffet;
12 duplex rooms/5 double bedrooms; 10 roomette/ 5 double bedrooms
Pittsburgh-Atlantic City sleeping car: 10 sections/2 compartments/drawing room
Coaches: Pittsburgh- Philadelphia
Trains 22 and 36 ran together until arriving at Pittsburgh at 9:30 p.m. Train 22 departed Pittsburgh for New York at 10:00 p.m. and train 36 departed Pittsburgh for Philadelphia at 11:35 p.m.
A pint of Bathams and some of Nick's Fish 'N' Chips for later please.
Good to see you in LARS, last evening, I will try to get here in the afternoons. I dont know very much about copyright law but I must agree with BK if people dont want it to be copied why put it on the web .
CM3 Interesting on the morning depatures on the PRR from Chicago. They were great train names and a great way to go between Chicago and the east..
MIKE. Thanks for another great set of links. Some great snow scenes, even the PE in the snow. Love those old color pics especially the Connecticut scene and in New London. The engineer is having to work hard to turn loco#1009 on the turntable, a good pic
With an investegation Inspector Clueless would be proud of I have found out about The Flying Duchess,( I think the name is a great mix of two of Britains favorite steam locos, Flying Scotsman and the Duchess Class). With the clues NICK gave, I noticed the number 7745 on the bufferbeam from this I was able to find out the loco was built by Robert Stephenson & Hawthorn in 1952> It worked at Meaford Power Station in Staffordshire not far from Stoke-On-Trent in the Midlands of England. I am not sure when it was shipped to the U.S.A. but I believe the first line the loco when to was the Boyne City Railroad in Grand Falls Michigan where it was named Flying Duchess along with 3 ex British Railways MK1 passenger cars. Also the loco was at Chattanooga at one time. As far as I can find out the much travelled loco is in Louisville Kentucky under restoration at the present time. I enjoyed looking into this loco thanks Mike.
I have a link which shows a sister loco to the Flying Duchess, #7684 of 1951 at the Foxfield Railway, a great line to see steam and diesel Industrial locomotives.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/foxfield/meaford_no2.htm.
TOM Great to See the Great Northern " Blast from the Past"( great title) We are making the final plans to go over to the old land as I doubt if we will find out a date to go until the last minute. Alan says the Keighly & Worth Valley Railway are having a steam gala in mid-October whether we can get there we will have to see.
Thinking about going over and reading BK's post about the reunion in Britain I have added a bit more to the intinerary. I wonder if we could get a grant for Our Place regulars to study British Railways.
Having spent the night in Edinburgh .
Edinburgh to Newcastle-On-Tyne by GNER electric.
Newcastle to Carlisle, about 60 miles in which parts of Hadrian's Wall can be seen from the train. After a leisurely lunch
Then the Settle& Carlisle line A very scenic line that was preposed for closure in the 80s which is 72 miles long and travels over the Northern Fells of England. and goes over the Ribblehead Viaduct. This is a link to the line.
http://www.settle-carlisle.co.uk/
The train from Carlisle terminates at the city of Leeds from where is is a short trip to York where I would suggest a stay of two nights to recharge the batteries(great beer there) and include a visit to the National Railway Museum in the city and a 30 mile trip out to the North Yorkshire Moors Railway at Pickering, an 18 mile steam line with a 4 mile streach at at 2% grade which makes for hard working steam locos.
Thanks TOM and BK for the kind words.
Well RUTH I have another pint and let me get a round in.
Good evening Gentlemen all ( although `we merry few` might be more accurate of late)
Best start with some beer (or whatever) for the house and a cold one for me please Leon,looks like a quiet one for the galley this night so lets see if I can whip up something a touch exotic
So,who has been about:-
CM3-interesting choice with the `Liberty` and nicely laid out for easy consumption
TOM-don`t mind me mate-I`ll fess up to anything,awful mix of guilty conscience & compulsive behaviour
`Blast` tied in neatly with todays ration of d.v.d set-Pacific Northwest-along the Puget Sound shoreline,Tacoma rings a bell but forgotten the other towns. Consist unfamiliar to me,AMTRAK P-40 genesis (or whatever they are) top and tailing an articulated TALGO type set with some strange streamlined transitional height units at each end (sorry but I can think of no better way to describe them) to match cars to locos-all done out in a very elegant dark green,wine red & white scheme.
Side trip along Mt Rainier scenic line-nice looking small wheeled mike or consolidation in good trim and working well
MIKE-another fine assortment of (non litigious ) images-bet the guy leaning on the crank arm of that turntable would dispute the term `light pacific`...............
BK-thank you for those kind words-like yourself,I prefer to bring a little sunshine with me--theres enough moaning & groaning out in the real world without bringing it with us ()
PETE-Fine detective work my man -having looked at the url you posted I can see the livery is the same but totally faded out on the `Duchess`-still think the combination of side tanks and square spectacles gives her a Fox-Walker look-For some reason I associate R.S.H products with a square section saddle tank...........
Like the modified itinery-once we get to Pickering we must stop for afternoon tea with an aged aunt & uncle of mine -their next door neighbour is one of the top men in 5" gauge fabrication apparently
Well looks like it`s just me in the galley tonight-seems H&H have taken the `Draig Goch` Zeppelin on a daring cross-border raid in search of Bar-Chandler ROB. Rather more worryingly,they have taken Boris & Copperkettle( the new Central-American work placement lad who arrived this morning ) as a landing party-keep the scanner tuned to police frequencies please.........
Right-looks like we will be just the one table for supper then,so how about:-
Crepes stuffed with scallops,mussels & cockles en provencale
or
Smoked mackerel pate,laced with capers with wholemeal toast
Whole trout stuffed with button mushroom pate & baked in almond butter
Lemon sole fillet pan fried in herbed flour
Grilled red snapper basted with lime & chilli oil
North Atlantic cod steaks with cranberry & wild herb vinaigrette
Crispy Duck with pancakes,hoi sin sauce & spring onions
coffee,liquers & dessert trolley (Brill,naturally...)
Oh-Cheeseburgers & fries for the track gangs & poolroom crew,as usual
right,thats me away to the galley-have got some interesting new wines I would value your opinions on-apparently they are more fun if you drink them as you would beer..................
Take care chaps-bon appetite
TTFN-nick
Thanks for the menu Nick. I put ketchup on everything.
Ketchup on my Reading
http://aok.lib.umbc.edu/speccoll/imcatimages/73-02-051.jpg
Fred Leach locomotive
http://aok.lib.umbc.edu/speccoll/imcatimages/76-05-053.jpg
General Burnside's horse
http://aok.lib.umbc.edu/speccoll/imcatimages/76-05-051.jpg
Union Pacific in Wyoming
http://content.lib.washington.edu/transportation/image/191.jpg
Northern Pacific in Montana
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN10223.jpg
2 Mikados and a Northern
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN10224.jpg
Grade crossing
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN10027.jpg
Diesel test train and NP train #1 at Missoula 1940
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN10253.jpg
Time to shuffle off to ....
http://central.terminal.railfan.net/pics/1950-1970/termair.jpg
Two 20th Century Limiteds
http://central.terminal.railfan.net/pics/1950-1970/nittrain.jpg
England
http://www.railcentre.co.uk/steam/gallery5/steam_gallery5.htm
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