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Posted by pwolfe on Friday, September 8, 2006 1:26 PM

Hi Tom and all.

Happy B-Day [bday]Happy B-Day [bday]Happy B-Day [bday]ROB

 A pint of Bathams and a round for ROB’s birthday! 

 

DOUG interesting post on the Air-Line and the pic of the locos they would have used.

 

Thanks for the quiz answers.  I never knew that Stephenson invented the whistle, but as the engineer for the line I should have known.  I have seen a painting of a loco with the whistle.  I believe it was known as a steam trumpet at first.

 

NICK Greta fish'n' chips last night. I never got to the Lochty Railway.  But one trip I had behind No. 9 in 1980 was from Stirling to Dundee by Perth and then over the Tay and Fourth bridges back to Glasgow.  On the next day it diesel to Falkirk where North British 0-6-0 No. 673 MAUDE and exLNER 4-4-0 No. 246 MORAYSHIRE took us on a trip round the Edinburgh suburban line and back to Motherwell. 

 

CM3 It was a shame about the Penn Station demolition.  A similar fate happened to Euston station in London.  Although the demolition contractor marked the stone blocks of the Doric Arch some of the stones are said to be in the River Thames.  This did start the movement to save historic buildings in the UK.

 

BK Great Canadian pictures for Rob's birthdayThumbs Up [tup]

 

TOM Another great railroad bridge! Lethbridge Viabridge great to see it still being used for the purpose it was built forThumbs Up [tup]

 

Here is a plan for a visit to Scotland:

 

SCOTTISH INTINERY.

I would suggest June as it gets light real early in Scotland then and it is well worth getting up early to see the lochs and mountains on the line to Fort William which start not too many miles after the Glasgow suburbs.

Day one.

Overnight sleeper London Euston to Fort William

Steam train Fort William to Mallaig.

Ferry to Isle of Skye.

Bus to Kylekin then either stay in Skye or train

Kyle of Lochash to Inverness (a great city)

Day two

Inverness to Perth, then I would suggest,

Perth to Dundee.

Dundee to Edinburgh which would cross both the Tay and the Forth bridges

Night in Edinburgh . 

 

I have looked at the timetable and it is quite feasible with a reasonable ferry service from Mallaig to Skye and a bus runs connecting with the ferry and runs direct to the Kyle railway station.  There are not many trains on the Kyle to Inverness line.  A mid-morning departure from Inverness would get us to Edinburgh by early evening even traveling up to Dundee from Perth to travel over the bridges.  Perhaps one day we will be able to do it! 

 

I'l have another RUTH then please.

Pete

 

 

 

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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, September 8, 2006 3:29 PM

G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Happy B-Day [bday] To ROB Happy B-Day [bday] To ROB Happy B-Day [bday] To Rob Happy B-Day [bday]To Rob!!

Another day older and deeper in debt . . . hopefully NOT! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] But, why be different from the rest of us! <grin> Hope you are spending your time doing what you want to do and with whom you want to be with! A five-Thumbs Up [tup] Salute to you Sir on YOUR DAY! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Ruth my deAH - set 'em up and give the man of the hour anything (in a glass) his young heart desires! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] I'll take a Schaefer and mosey over to the buffet table that's been set up for Rob's special day! Ummmm, some good stuff here, I see . . . Boris, ring that bell a couple of times!  

 

Nice 'stuff' from Da Boss, as usual, as it appears this Great RR Bridge series has taken hold quite well! Good selection, mate! Thumbs Up [tup]

Hey Pete - is this a "private thing" between you and Da Boss, or can others join in Question [?] I'd dearly love to take that itinerary you put together for rail trips in Scotland. Wow!! [wow] Worst part of it is the flying between here and there - otherwise, I'm ready and will even spot the first SEVERAL rounds in the tavern car(s)!! May I come along - puleeze, may I, puleeze Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

CM3 I'm Not Shane! - you do manage to find some doozies, huh Question [?] Now to get some pix to go along with the Chesapeake Western Railway!

Doug - enjoyed your dissertation on the Chicago - New York Air Line Railroad - more info than I knew existed! But really did know a "little" - but you know what they say about having a "little knowledge"!! <grin> Don't you just hate it when THAT happens - things not meeting up as planned! Nice cartoon, seen it in several iterations over the years, but always good for a grin or two! Thumbs Up [tup]

BK - good to see you about the decks on this end of the week day! Always enjoy reading what my "bookend" has to say from the mountains of Alberta!

Regading the JO you brought up - I've seen that guy's "signature" on other threads and have thought the precise same thing. Where do these idiots come from Question [?] I mean who gives a Rat's Patoot what his "preferences" are Question [?] Perhaps we should begin a 'club' - hetero and proud of it! <barf> <gag> And what really ticks me off is that these people are trying to make US out as the one's with the problem! <arrrgghhh> Isn't that the "way" of the 21st century Question [?] I totally agree - don't know why Kalmbach hasn't simply told this guy to remove that signature crap or he gets cut off. No "marbles" as they said in one of the "Major League" movies . .. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

These are for the Birthday Boy - 35 is a nice set of numbers in years and "certain" sizes! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

CP FP9A #1416 (photo: Ted Ellis)

 

CP FP9A #1432 (photo: John Binley)

 

One more Ruth – then I gotta skedaddle!

 

 

Until the next time! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, September 8, 2006 4:58 PM

G’day Gents!

 

On my return home this day I saw petrol dip below the $2.30 mark – “collusion corner” had it at $2.29 (rounded). So, the question remains – does what goes up, really continue coming down Question [?] And if so, how much Question [?]

 

Appears that our B’day Celebrant is off-line, and has been. Hmmmm, one of those infrequent frequent electricity problems we rarely but fairly often hear about Question [?] <grin> No matter – my guess is Rob is enjoying his 35th hopefully doing what he wants on this – his Natal Day! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Nice outpouring from the crew today – CM3 – BK – Pete and Lars have all chimed in with their respective Happy B-Day [bday] wishes and I suspect there will be others as the day progresses. Thumbs Up [tup]

 

I dusted off the last iteration of the Birthday Watch List on file and found that we have two “regulars” with Natal Days to round out this calendar year: BK (66) on October 18th and CM3 (60) on December 29th.  And no, I’m not planning on resuming past activities with this.

 

Pete – just for the fun of it, I checked the round trip air fares between St. Louis and London (Heathrow) – good grief! ‘Nuf said . . . June would indeed be a great month and something to think seriously about – really. We need to put our heads together on this to see if it can happen . . .  That rail itinerary you put together sounds terrific and I’d like to “do it” tomorrow! Let’s get a move on, eh Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

BK 'n Lars – I’m going to maintain a quiet – not neutral – stance on your discussion regarding the “message” that guy seems to think is necessary in his “signature” on the Forums. It’s up to Kalmbach to control these Threads – and apparently they are not interested in doing so – probably because someone thinks it is too much of a “hot button” issue, rather than jerk the chair out from under anyone with an “agenda” that is clearly out of bounds when it comes to the discussions these Forums are supposed to promote. Is that quiet enough Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Enjoyed your Pix!! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Ruth, set ‘em up for the boyz as I see Leon is about to enter the joint for his 5 PM start! Boris, ring the bell – help yourself to the chow over on the table guyz – better get to it before the Track Gangs arrive for their weekly pool tournament . . . <ohhhhhhhh>

 

On a much lighter note regarding Monday - it's "name the Penquin Day!" here at the bar!

 

 

Later!

 

 

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 8, 2006 6:09 PM

Good evening Tom and friends, and a big Happy B-Day [bday] to man-of-the-hour Rob! Looks like most people except for the birthday boy have made it in today. Tom provided a slick Lethbridge Viaduct post for us today. Cm3 popped in, BK provided some pix for Rob, and Lars put some CP pix for Rob too. But what's this with Peter's Scotland trip? Need anyone to tote your barge? Post your bail?

Here's my part II of the Chicago-New York Air Line

750 Miles in Ten Hours! by Blake A. Mapledoram, Dec 1956 RR Magazine

 

Each of the Air Line’s first two coaches, 101 and 102, painted green, boasted four 75-hp. Westinghouse motors, control equipment, air brakes, and trolley pole.

 

Perhaps the most colorful character in the whole Air Line melodrama was Colonel U.P. Hord. With a broad-rimmed hat, a tight-waisted coat, an Ascot tie, and an impeccable white vest spanned by massive gold watch chain, the Colonel cut an aristocratic figure. His was the task of acquiring for the railroad as much right-of-way as possible for as little cash as necessary. This called for diplomacy.

Probably no right-of-way agent ever undertook a more difficult task, for in the usual process of laying out a railroad, alternate routes are traced on the map and each property-holder is cleverly lead into low-bidding against his neighbor in the effort to induce the railroad to select the line through his property. The result is that the railroad benefits from the downward sliding property prices. But not so with the Air Line venture. This was a road with a definitely pre-established course, advertised to be built in a straight line.

But Colonel Hord’s affable and winning personality, his convincing oratory and his affluent glow, impressed the owners of farm land to such an extent that many of them surrendered options on their property in exchange for Air Line stock.

At the time of ground-breaking, the stock was selling for about $40 a share, with a “real value” of $100, which the Air Line guaranteed would e paid to any stockholder who wanted his money as soon as the line reached Gary, Ind. In another two months it sold at $51.

By the fall of 1907 our equipment consisted of 60 mule teams purchased in St. Louis for $22,000 (later sold for $11,000), 42 wheelers, three locomotives with flatcars and self-dumping dirt cars, a Vulcan 2 ½-yard shovel, a steam grader, a warehouse with $10,000 worth of supplies, a powerhouse, a three-car barn complete, and two $11,000 electric passenger cars, built at Niles, Ohio, to carry stockholders over the line free.

The passenger cars, delivered in May, 1907, were big, smart-looking, green, interurban types built to order by the Niles Car Works. They were 50-foot combination baggage-passenger coaches, with steam-type roofs, sturdy wooden pilots, and windows grouped in pairs with stained-glass arches above. Each was equipped with four 75-hp Westinghouse motors and control equipment, air brakes, and trolley poles.

“These cars are suitable for local service over the first 100-mile division,” President Miller announced blandly, “but the through limited equipment will, of course, be of a different design.”

The site for the huge 10,000 kilowatt power plant that was designed to supply the entire 100 miles of the first division was originally located where the Air Line route crossed the Little Kankakee River. There a ten-acre plot was bought, but in September, 1907, the site was changed to South LaPorte. By then, surveys had been completed as far east as the Ohio state line. As material was purchased and delivered, we extended the road westward, hung up trolley wire, ballasted and bonded the track; and before long the two interurban cars were rolling back and forth over two or three miles of main line.

Along the letterboard of each was the grandiloquent inscription, Chicago-Air-Line-New York, lettered in gold leaf. Over the center window on one vestibule of each car the destination, Chicago, also was lettered in gold leaf, and on the other end, New York. The two cars were numbered 101 and 102 respectively.

The crews sported dark blue broadcloth uniforms, with two gold-braid bands encircling the caps, on the front of which appeared the gold-embroidered word Motorman or Conductor. Air Line officials believed in doing things in style.

The visiting prospective stockholders were greatly impressed. After a breath-taking ride over the initial stretch of Air Line speedway, they were practically speechless and were ready to buy all the stock they could immediately afford and to subscribe for a few additional shares of the installment plan. Air Line prosperity was on the ascension. One of the motormen, C.P. Lyon, fell heir to more than $1,000,000 from an English estate, invested some of it in Air Line stock, and stayed on the job, not wishing to give up the pleasure of running the fast cars.

Construction progressed in 1907 until winter closed in and made work uneconomical. Snow drifted into deep cuts, filling them up level with the surface, and the beautiful green cars stuck fast in the drifts 30 feet deep. Having no snowplow equipment, the employees set to work digging them out with shovels.

That winter the nation experienced one of its periodic depressions. New sales of Air Line stock dropped to almost nothing. People who had undertaken to buy stock on the installment plan, being thrown out of work, could not keep up their payments. Although the public had already pledged enough money to build the entire first division of 100 miles between Chicago and Goshen, Ind., the money was not forthcoming and so we had to curtail construction work. It is said that the only two companies in northern Indiana that paid their employees in cash that winter were Standard Oil and the Air Line.

Around that time we had 750 men on the payroll. We also had 25 miles of sand-ballasted roadbed, 50 miles of right-of-way fences in position, overhead crossings above the Monon and Pere Marquette steam roads, and a Wabash crossing ready for the girders. Our right-of-way was 100 feet wide. We paid for it as we laid steel. Thus far, the road was absolutely straight.

It was only by authorizing an issue of $680,000 worth of cumulative 7 percent preferred stock that the Air Line directors were able to raise enough money to keep a skeleton crew together, and to resume construction work in May., 1908, when cutting, filling, and grading went forward.

Twenty-five miles out of LaPorte, we made a million-yard cut to fill in the Coffey Creek Valley, a half-mile across. The highest point of the temporary trestle was 45 feet above ground. For it alone we bought 40 acres of standing timber.

We finished the main line from LaPorte to a point south of Chesterton, Ind., about 20 miles. But dark clouds were gathering. With a $30,000 monthly payroll to meet and with stock sales lagging, we were ordered to ease up on purchases and to close the steam-shovel camp.

Anxious to show some sort of income, however small, the management built an amusement resort in a shady grove beside the track about six miles from LaPorte, including a pavilion with a dance floor and a band stand. Refreshment booths, games, swings, a

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Friday, September 8, 2006 6:22 PM

Evening gents,round for all,beers all night for the birthday boy-Happy B-Day [bday]Happy B-Day [bday]Happy B-Day [bday]Happy B-Day [bday]Happy B-Day [bday] Sir bar chandler ROB-may you enjoy very many more.

Gotta run,house full of inebriated dinner guests-currently trying to stop them washing the dishes (best china & booze not a good mix...........)

Hopefully catch up tomorrow

TTFN,nickChef [C=:-)]

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Posted by wanswheel on Friday, September 8, 2006 10:47 PM

Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.

Read Rob's posts for months and learn a lot. Some about trolleys and trains and planes, but mainly that it's possible to be friendly, cheerful, hard-working, dedicated, courteous, reliable, and never without a sense of humor. It beats me how to do that, but I've learned from Rob that it's possible.

God bless our friend as he becomes old enough to sing Frank Sinatra tunes. Okay, maybe doo-be-doo-be dubious, but when I was 35 it was a very good year.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 9, 2006 6:31 AM

Good morning Tom and all. I'll have a light breakfast if you please, and will be following Tom's advice in using some of the material I started on another thread for ENCORES. But first .. what a fantastic collection of photos from Mike. Trains and planes .. can't go wrong with that. Learned a few things too. Didn't know that carrier pigeons were released from planes. Also didn't know about U.S. airmen joining the Canadian Eagle Squad. Thanks Mike!

By 1887, the facilities of a luxury train had been still further extended. Observation cars, for instance, were coming into vogue and the rear half of the Pennsylvania Limited’s last vehicle was a comfortable saloon with 5 ft-deep plate-glass windows looking out over a verandah with elegant wrought nickel and brass guard-rails. Next to the saloon was a writing room, overhung by palms spreading from pretty jardinières and furnished with secretaire and bookcase; here a skilled stenographer was on call to take and type passengers’ correspondence. The rest of the car was given over to private staterooms, each with its own lavatory, and decorated either in Oriental or Louis XVI style, with varying finishes in Circassian walnut, Tabasco mahogany, English oak, vermillion wood, rosewood or Santiago mahogany.

Next up from the rear of the train came the Pullman sleepers, featuring both standard open-section areas and private drawing rooms with accommodation for two or five. One of the cars even boasted an incredibly ornate bridal suite with white woodwork, leaded glass, extravagant gilt ornamentation and metalwork, and lush velvet drapery. There was nothing strictly functional about the sleeper lavatories either: you stood on a ceramic tiled floor, studied yourself in beveled mirrors and rested between operations on a padded wicker chair to admire polished woodwork that was as finely executed as any in the living accommodation.

Next came the diner, with elegant chairs backed and seated in embossed leather, overhung with more potted greenery and serving cuisine to challenge the finest of Chicago and New York hotels.

The 1905 Oriental Limited’s Pullman diner was supposedly styled to represent an English Inn interior with ceiling beams and leather-backed chairs. (Courtesy Arthur Dubin collection)

 

And finally a remarkable multi-purpose car, mostly occupied by the men’s saloon. To quote a contemporary description, “it provides a buffet and all the luxury of an elegant, up-to-date club. There are daily papers, magazines and books on the tables, and facilities are on hand for those who care to play cards, chess or other games. Stock Exchange quotations are, with other items of commercial and general news, regularly supplied to the train at its stopping places. Passengers further have the advantage of a hair-dressing saloon, and there are bathrooms for ladies and gentlemen, equipped with the most approved accessories.” And finally, for this was still something of a novelty to be stressed in promotion: “The train was lighted by electricity, the current being obtained from a dynamo supplying the 500 lamps comprised in the installation; but in order to guard against the possibility of a breakdown, Pintsch’s gas fittings can at a moment’s notice be brought to use in any of the compartments. Electric reading lamps are available in the library car and in the observation car, and every section of the drawing room sleeping cars contain two such lamps, which may be used by passengers who desire to read in their berths.” The Pennsylvania’s publicity department had a right to proclaim the “Limited” to be “the newest and most complete Railway Train of this progressive age.”

Many moguls of industry sought something even more palatial than the private rooms of a train like the “Pennsylvania Limited.” The commercially eager Mr. Pullman was only too happy to build and sell the tycoons their own private cars, which they would pay to have attached to ordinary service trains, or in some cases would have hauled free, so humbly grateful were the railroads for such august patronage.. As the luxury train acquired fresh refinements, so – on an even grander scale – did these so-called business cars. The most splendid of them ran to marble baths, hidden safes, Venetian mirrors, and open fireplace burning balsam logs (this was John Pierpont Morgan’s), and even an English butler to supervise the car’s private cellar and the Lucullan output if its kitchen. By the 1920s some magnates were paying as much as a quarter of a million dollars for a single vehicle.

The railroad baron Jay Gould on occasion ran his own complete train of four business cars, the staff of which included a doctor to tend Gould’s fragile digestion, plus a special baggage car at the head-end that served as a byre for the milch cow which was taken on the trip to ensure a flow of milk with butterfat constituency exactly conforming to the great man’s dietary regime. A French nobleman, Count Boni de Castellane, who was invited aboard Gould’s train when he was courting the banker’s daughter, recorded in his diary that full evening dress was de rigueur at dinner and that guests’ private rooms teemed with butlers and valets, footmen, ladies’ maids and grooms of the chambers. Of another eminent financier’s wife it was said she had assumed a journalist that “The only thing that’s economical about our car is the solid gold plumbing. It saves polishing, you know.

In terms of housekeeping the Pullman operation outstripped that of any chain hotelier for scale. At the peak of the company’s business in the 1930s and 1940s its stock of sheets and towels, for instance, was between 3 ½ and 4 million in each case. The activity of its ten company-owned laundries was frequently worth more than three million dollars a year. It refused to rely on outside suppliers for furniture and fittings, and maintained its own workshops to turn out everything from a richly upholstered chair to a toilet seat. The company had its own printing plant, too, from which issued a torrent, not only of working documents and publicity material, but of minutely detailed rulebooks and instruction manuals for Pullman staff.

Afternoon tea service in the ladies’ lounge of Chicago & Alton’s “Alton Limited.” Although not seen in this particular picture, the waitresses were arrayed in full Japanese rig (Courtesy Arthur Dubin collection)

From the start Pullman determined to make the personal service in his cars a byword. Nothing, it was said, could happen in a Pullman car that was not covered by an instruction in the voluminous Pullman rulebooks, which dealt meticulously with every conceivable aspect of hospitality and service to the passenger, whether it be from conductor, porter, maid, barber or bus boy. And the tradition was jealously upheld by the car staff, to the extent that they were perennially the prime quarry for staff head-hunters from the White House as well as upper crust hotels and clubs. The Pullman porter – generally Negro, from the date the first black porter was recruited in 1870 – was justifiably the American symbol of service to the customer for decades. As a mark of Pullman’s infinite care for detail of service, a full quotation of the Pullman service manual’s elaborate step-by-step primer on the basic art of filling an order for a beer is an apt crown to this chapter:

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, September 9, 2006 8:04 AM

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday



RAILWAYS of EUROPE #2 –

Eurostar - (London – Paris – Brussels)

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Eurostar




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Eurostar



Eurostar at Vauxhall (GNU Free Documentation)


Franchise:: Eurostar

Main Route(s):: London-Lille-Brussels,
London-Paris

Other Route(s):: Lille-Disneyland Paris-Avignon,
Lille-Bourg-St-Maurice

Fleet size:: 27

Stations: 11

Parent company: Eurostar Group

Website: www.eurostar.com


This article is about high-speed trains between London and Brussels / Paris. For Italian trains called Eurostar, see Eurostar Italia.

Eurostar is a train service that connects London with Paris and Brussels. Trains cross the English Channel via the Channel Tunnel. The French and Belgian sections of the route use the same high-speed rail lines as the TGV and Thalys, and in England a new line is being built to the same standard. This is a two-phase project known as the Channel Tunnel Rail Link project (CTRL).

The first revenue-earning Eurostar trains ran in November 1994. Eurostar has established a dominant share of the market on the routes it serves - 68% for London-Paris and 63% for London-Brussels, as of November 2004. The company points out that these passenger figures represent a saving of 393,000 carbon dioxide-producing short-haul flights.

The journey time from London to Paris is currently 2 hours 35 minutes; London to Brussels is 2 hours 20 minutes. These times will be cut by 20 minutes in 2007 when the construction of the second phase of CTRL is completed, bringing the British portion of the route up to the same standards as the French and Belgian sections. Completion of the CTRL will also allow a significant increase in the number of Eurostar trains serving London. After phase two is completed, up to 8 trains per hour in each direction could travel the route from London to the continent, as timetabling would be unaffected by peak hour restrictions at London Waterloo and conflicts between Waterloo and Fawkham Junction.

In addition to the three destination cities, some Eurostar services currently stop en route at Ashford in Kent and at Calais Frethun and Lille in northern France. From 2007 all Eurostar trains will be routed through the CTRL to a new London terminus at St Pancras. The company had intended to retain some services to the existing Waterloo terminal, but this was ruled out on cost grounds. Some trains will additionally serve new stations at Ebbsfleet near Dartford in north-west Kent and Stratford International station in east London (not to be confused with Stratford station, or Stratford Regional station as it will be called when Stratford International station is opened)

Organisation

Eurostar services are now managed under a unified management, the Eurostar Group. In each country a member company undertakes Eurostar operation:

• Belgium — NMBS/SNCB
• France — SNCF
• United Kingdom — Eurostar (U.K.) Ltd. or (EUKL)
o EUKL managed (under contract) by InterCapital and Regional Rail (ICRR), a consortium of:
#61607; National Express Group (40%),
#61607; SNCF (35%)
#61607; NMBS/SNCB (15%)
#61607; British Airways (10%).

A Eurostar on the CTRL near Ashford (Wikimedia Commons)

Additional information

• The trains themselves are 400 metres long, weigh 800 tonnes and carry 750 passengers in 18 carriages (14 carriages for the 7 UK regional sets). In case of an incident in the Channel Tunnel the trains can be divided in two in order to evacuate the passengers in the unaffected carriages.

• In Britain the trains are classified as British Rail Class 373 units, and they were constructed by GEC-Alsthom (now Alstom) at its La Rochelle (France), Belfort (France) and Washwood Heath (England) sites. They can run on third rail and various catenary voltages, achieving a maximum in-service speed of 300 km/h when collecting current from a 25 kV overhead catenary. They are essentially modified TGV sets, and some Eurostar trains not needed for Channel runs are now used in regular TGV service by the French national railway. In July 2003 a Eurostar train set a new UK rail speed record of 334.7 km/h (208.0 mph) during safety testing on the first section of the CTRL. This section opened for commercial services in September 2003 and has helped increase passenger numbers by as much as 20%, as well as shortening journey times by 20 minutes.

• The 27 normal Eurostar-sets are being refurbished with a new interior, designed by Philippe Starck, from September 2004 on. The grey-yellow look (in Standard class) and the grey-red look (In First/Premium First) has been replaced with a more grey-brown look in Standard, and a grey-burnt orange in First class. The Premium First class will be removed from sale in September 2005 as the company looks to simplify its fare structure.

• Eurostar also run services to Disneyland Paris, to Avignon in summer, and - in the skiing season - to Bourg-Saint-Maurice, Aime-la-Plagne and Moutiers in the French Alps. It was originally intended to run "regional Eurostars", direct services to Paris and Brussels from places in the United Kingdom other than London. This proved not to be financially viable, but some of the shorter Eurostar trains intended for those services are now operated by GNER (the Great North Eastern Railway) entirely within the UK, on the East Coast Main Line from London's King's Cross railway station to Leeds. 'Nightstar' sleeper trains constructed for the international service were also never used, and the trains were sold to VIA Rail in Canada, which has branded them as Renaissance Cars.

• Eurotunnel, the company that built and runs the Channel Tunnel, is a completely separate entity from Eurostar.


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.

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Enjoy!

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]


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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:49 AM

G'day Captain Tom and fellow traveles at the bar!

Greetings to those of you who give a Rat's Patoot about this place and those within it! Thumbs Up [tup] Ruth, serve 'em up something suitable for a Saturday morning - something to make their innards feel as warm as the way you look! Evil [}:)] One for me too . . .

I see that Doug has made an evening and morning "deposit" of reading material for us - hopefully his 'quiz' will be a hulluva lot more forgiving than that last doozy! Wink [;)]

Received an e-mail from Rob - it was sent to the "Three Horsemen" - he'll not be gracing our establishment until very late on Tuesday, but most probably on Wednesday. Another long weekend for our Canadian friend - this one is a wedding and all that goes with it. Anyway, some inquiring minds may have wanted to know . . . . Hope he catches all of the B'day Wishes posted yesterday when he returns, he is using a rather archaic 'puter from what I've been told. I'll have to check the "slush fund," perhaps we have some bucks to send him to purchase a new one . . .

Nice start for Encore! Saturday, Captain Tom - the EuroStar is indeed "one of those trains" I'd love to experience. Once in my life it was "So many gals, so little time!" Now it's "Too many trains, not enough time!" [swg[

A brief - very brief - visit from Nick in West Wales - a dinner party where the Guests wash the dishes Question [?] Now that's surely a different twist to it. But yes - one must be very careful with the good China when in the hands of the tipsy. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Don't know for sure what the remainder of this weekend holds for me - there's a "situation" developing that just may keep me away for a bit. However, whether we have a crowd at the bar or just one or two - we do know that when leisure time beckons - "Our" Place is the place to be!

My Encore! will follow shorty.

 

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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, September 9, 2006 10:05 AM

Back again - for Encore! Saturday . . . this material was first posted on page 296.

Budd Rail Diesel Car


CAVEAT: This material has been reproduced with “blanket” permission from Wikipedia sources at: www.wikipedia.com.


Budd RDC-1 #407 of the Cape May Seashore Lines (GNU Free Documentation).

The Budd Rail Diesel Car or RDC is a self-propelled diesel-hydraulic rail passenger car. During the period of 1949–1956, 398 RDCs were built by the Budd Company of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. These cars were primarily adopted for passenger service in rural areas with low traffic density or in short-haul commuter service, and were less expensive to operate in this context than a traditional locomotive-drawn train. The cars could be used singly or several coupled together in trainsets and controlled from the cab of the front unit.

The Boston and Maine Railroad owned by far the largest number of these units, but they were also very popular with Canadian railways such as the Canadian Pacific Railway (where they were known as Dayliners), the Canadian National Railway, and the former BC Rail. VIA Rail still uses RDCs for scheduled services on Vancouver Island and in Northern Ontario, and the planned Blue22 service connecting Toronto to its airport will use refurbished RDCs as well.

Since 1994 three RDCs are being used for the OnTrack commuter rail line in Syracuse, New York. As well, the Alaska Railroad possesses at least two RDCs. They are typically coupled together and used for the railroad's Hurricane Turn service and the annual Fair Train. The Hurricane Turn is the last remaining flag stop service in the U.S. and is the only transportation to many summer (and year-round) cabins on a stretch of track between Talkeetna and Hurricane Gulch. (The Parks Highway, the nearest road, is several miles to the west on the other side of a mountain ridge.) The annual Fair Train takes fairgoers from Anchorage to the Palmer stop next to the fairgrounds.

The basic car was adapted from a standard 85 ft (26 m) coach. They were powered by two Detroit Diesel (then a division of General Motors) diesel bus engines, each of which drives an axle through a hydraulic torque converter, a technology adapted from military tanks of World War II. RDC trains were an early example of self-contained diesel multiple units, an arrangement now in common use by railways all over the world.


Variants


An RDC train operated by the former BC Rail. (www.trainweb.com photo)

Budd manufactured five basic variants of the RDC:

• The RDC-1 — an 85 ft (26 m) all-passenger coach seating 88 passengers.
• The RDC-2 — an 85 ft (26 m) Railway Post Office and passenger coach configuration seating 71 passengers.
• The RDC-3 — an 85 ft (26 m) variant with a Railway Post Office, a baggage compartment and 44 passenger seats.
• The RDC-4 — a 65 ft (20 m) variant with only the Railway Post Office and baggage area.
• The RDC-5 (also known as the RDC-9) — an 85 ft (26 m) passenger coach seating 82, with no independent control cab.

The RDC-1 was powered by two 6-cylinder Detroit Diesel engines, each of 275 hp (205 kW).

In 1978, Budd offered a new RDC model, called the SPV-2000 (self-propelled vehicle), but only 24 of them were sold, as they proved unreliable and did not gain marketplace acceptance. The few remaining in service have long been converted to unpowered, locomotive-drawn coaches.

Unusual modifications

In an experiment toward high speed rail, the New York Central (NYC) fitted a pair of jet engines atop one of their RDCs and added a shovelnose front to its cab. This RDC, which NYC had numbered M497, set the United States speed record in 1966 when it traveled at just short of 184 mph (296 km/h) between Butler, Indiana, and Stryker, Ohio.

Several RDC's were built and exported to Australia, to operate with Commonwealth Railways, These cars operated on the standard gauge, running between Port Pirie and various locations, including Whyalla, Port Augusta and Broken Hill.

A variant was built by Commonwealth Engineering for the NSW Government Railways, consisting of five carriages. These cars included the only non-powered version of these carriages. These cars operated the South Coast Daylight Express between Sydney and Nowra

References

• Scheurle, Bob, New York Central RDC3 #M497. Retrieved March 14, 2005.
• Wayner, Robert J., ed. (1972). Car Names, Numbers and Consists, New York: Wayner Publications.

CAVEAT: This material has been reproduced with “blanket” permission from Wikipedia sources at: www.wikipedia.com.



Until the next time! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, September 9, 2006 12:17 PM
Free at last!!! Perhaps I should explain: I've been confined to base for the last week, no outside contact permitted, and no its not punitive. I have to maintain my wits, coffee please....


Quit a bit to catch up on, First a hearty birthday wish to Rob, so when do you apply for SS benefits??? We almost had casuality over at the Orange Empire Museum from what I read this morning. A controller shorted out and permitted 600 volts to ground to the operator controls, pre-run inspections caught the problem. No doubt the outside contractor that did the rebuild will have some explaining to do...

Barkeep set um up on me today, whatever the gang desires....

What the heck, the critters are upon us, Awk,Tex, Boris and now a Penguin, I nominate the name of FROSTBITE to our wayward friend, guess his presence explains all the commotion I heard coming from the walk in freezer and why all the frozen vegetables and frozen margarita mix appeared to be pillfered . Of course, Barndad's pal Fred suits the place as well, I too concure he looks like a Fred...

Well, duty demands my attention, I shall return, more informed as to the last week and better able to render proper acknowledgements. Until later, a special Howdy to all and a fantastic Saturday...

Dave

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Posted by BudKarr on Saturday, September 9, 2006 12:34 PM

Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!

A rather quiet start to the weekend, which is not all so bad. I see Sir Doug has deposited his reading assignments for us, as noted by Lars, and Tom has dutifully provided us with an appropriate beginning for this Encore Saturday! Thumbs Up [tup]

Ruth, it is just a tad later than 11 AM here in the Canadian Rockies, so a bit of brunch would be fine - but first we shall partake in the treats over in the Mentor Village Bakery case! Lydia cannot keep her eyes away from those decadent delights, whereas I cannot keep my eyes away from her! <grin> Ah, I note that I have said the correct thing this morning! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

A round for the patrons and by all means, keep the change!

I too received an email from Sir Rob, but of course I would - as it was indeed addressed to the Three Horsemen! Weddings and funerals - interesting how Lars put those two on the same plane - also do very little for me. Actually, I have never been much on the social gatherings "expected" of us all, especially when and where family matters enter into it. However, now that I am into my 2nd life - all of that is by the boards - over the dam - and so forth. You WILL attend and you WILL enjoy youself! All that is missing are the hobnail boots and . . . . <grin>

Wonder if anyone has noticed, but Sir Rob selected a railway for the Tuesday "Theme of the Day" and in all liklihood will miss it! Surely a most tweetable offense, I should think! What say you, Sir Proprietor Question [?] Also, there is a violation to be added: Not being present at the bar on one's Natal Day! Another tweetable offense (offence), eh Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Lydia has found a posting of mine on the same page (298) that Lars retrieved his Encore from - so without further adieu - here it is:

Here are a couple of photos of that NYC Jet Powered RDC mentioned in the Wikipedia article posted by Lars:

NYC #M497 Jet Powered (source to credit: unknown)


NYC #M497 Jet Powered (source to credit: unknown)


. . . And a fine looking BC Rail RDC . . . .

BC Rail RDC #BC-11 (source to credit: unknown)


A URL of interest for the NYC Jet RDC:
http://www.trainsmag.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/004/853zeggx.asp

Ah, I see Sir Dave from the left coast has made an appearance. In lock down, eh Question [?] Why not, seems rather appropriate for whatever it is you do for a living! <smile> "Frostbite" - now that is a good selection for the Penguin. Wish I could chat a bit longer - but I too am on a short string . . .

Enjoy the weekend Captain Tom and  gentlement - hope to be with you all soon.

BK in Alberta, Canada's beautiful high mountain country!

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, September 9, 2006 2:24 PM

G'day Gents!

Okay, here's the revised "Name the Penguin Contest" submissions:

Pengie (from Lars)

Chester (from Nick)

Willie (from Rob)

Phil (from BK 'n Lydia)

Pudgie (from Doug)

Percy or Chilly (from Pete)

Frostbite (from Dave)

(name will be announced on Monday morning!)


Today is the LAST day for suggested names - Nice going guyz! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Thanx in large measure to Lars & BK, we are continuing along with the idea of ENCORE! Saturday here at the Tavern by the Tracks. Love those RDCs and the Budd Company! Thanx to the both of you! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

With the absence of our "Ontario Connection" my guess is we'll be a bit shy on the Pix side come tomorrow - however, it most times is a barndad Doug "thing!" Thumbs Up [tup]

So, what's going on out there on the left coast that they have you under some kind of lock 'n key arrangement Question [?] Oh yeah, I know, if you let us knows, you'll have to do us in - shudda first thought of that, eh Question [?] <grin> Good to see ya Dave - was beginning to think this would be a "Daveless" week at the bar. Just made it "in" and hope you get a chance to review what you've missed. Some mighty fine Posts, Pix and RR information along the right of way. Thumbs Up [tup] "Frostbite" is a great suggestion for our Penguin's name - glad you got it "in" before "closing."

Another reminder is in order for those who participate in our activities at the bar - Tuesday is "Theme for the Day" with the Kansas City Southern (KCS) as the "theme" railroad. I have found some interesting material - that is "free" to the user - but not quite as much out there as perhaps we'd all like.

Should any of you be unable to find something to your liking - go ahead with a "supplemental" RR as suggested by Manager Lars the other day. Just as long as we get participation - that's the idea! Thumbs Up [tup]

Thanx for the E-mails on the names for the Penguin Contest - and no, I cannot accept checks, Pay Pal or anything else bordering on bribery! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Okay - 'nuf of these ramblilngs - I'm off to enjoy the remainder of the day and hope you are doing the same!

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, September 9, 2006 5:07 PM

G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Ruth, a Schaefer if you please and slide those snacks down my way, wudja Question [?]

Mets won today, after getting drubbed by the Dodgers yesterday. No matter - I think they are 'in' and let the playoffs begin! Thumbs Up [tup]

Never have seen so many JOs in all my experiences on the forums since Kalmbach redesigned them. Maybe it's just my imagination - but just take a look at the absolute "dribble" being posted on "our" forum - hopefully none of our crew will "feed the animals." THAT would be most distressing. Thumbs Down [tdn]

Good to see my "bookend" and Left Coast Dave swing by . . . rather quiet for our Encore! Saturday - but what-the-heck - it IS the weekend and there ARE other things to do, huh Question [?] Great name - Frostbite!

My 2nd ENCORE for this day . . .

Budd Company

(first posted on page 296)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Budd Company (now ThyssenKrupp Budd) is a metal fabricator and major supplier of body components to the automobile industry.

The company is headquartered in Troy, Michigan. It was founded in 1912 by Edward G. Budd. Edward Budd's fame came from his invention of the 'shotweld' technique for joining pieces of stainless steel without damaging the anti-corrosion properties of the stainless steel.

A railroad legend



The first Budd passenger railcar, the Lafayette, 1932From the 1930s until 1989 The Budd Company was also a leading manufacturer of stainless steel streamlined passenger rolling stock for a number of railroads. After briefly dabbling with French Micheline rubber-tyred technology, they built the Pioneer Zephyr for the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad in 1934, and hundreds of streamlined lightweight stainless steel passenger cars for new trains in the USA in the 1930s and 1940s. In the 1950s Budd built a set of two-story or high-level cars for the Santa Fe's El Capitan and Super Chief passenger trains, which became the prototypes for the Amtrak Superliner cars of the 1980s. Budd also built two-story gallery passenger cars for Chicago-area commuter service on the Milwaukee Road, Burlington Route, and Rock Island lines duing the 1960s and 1970s; most of these cars are still in service on today's Metra routes. Stainless steel Budd cars originally built for the Canadian Pacific Railway's 1955 train The Canadian are still in service with Via Rail Canada.

Train in one car

In 1949, Budd introduced the Rail Diesel Car or RDC, a stainless steel self-propelled 'train in one car' which prolonged rail service on many lightly populated railway lines, but also provided a flexible, air conditioned car for suburban commuter service. More than 300 RDCs were built. Some RDCs are still in service in Canada, the USA and Australia. One example is OnTrack in Syracuse, New York. In the 1960's, Budd built the Pioneer III electric m.u. coach for intercity travel. Six were built and were purchased by the former Pennsylvania Railroad, but in 1966, these Pioneer III cars, later called "Silverliner I" cars, were replaced with the "Silverliner II" cars, which used the Pioneer III body, but with much improvements, for Philadelphia-area commuter rail service on both the PRR and Reading Company lines. Budd was also contracted for building the original Metroliner m.u. coaches for Washington-New York City service on the Northeast Corridor, but has been replaced with more traditional locomotive-hauled systems. The Silverliner II cars, still in service (but is slated to be replaced with newer "Silverliner V" cars), has a top speed of 100 m.p.h., while the old Metroliner m.u. cars traveled at speeds of 125 m.p.h., although they were slated for 150 m.p.h. service--a feat now possible with the new Acela trainset

Almond Joys

In 1960. Budd manufactured the first stainless steel production subway cars for Philadelphia's Market-Frankford Line. 270 cars (nicknamed the Almond Joys for the 4 ventilators on top of the roof of each car) were jointly owned by the City of Philadelphia and the Philadelphia Transportation Company (now SEPTA). 46 single units and 112 married pairs (the pairs were of "mixed" marriage because the odd-numbered car came with General Electric motors and equipment was permanently coupled to the even-numbered car, which had Westinghouse motors and equipment). These cars were replaced with more modern air-conditioned units, although some cars were retrucked (the Market-Frankford line is a broad-gauge line) and used on the Norristown High Speed Line (a standard railroad gague line) until they were replaced in the mid-1990's.

Automobile innovations

In 1966, Budd designed and manufactured a front disc brake system for Chrysler and Imperial automobiles, used for the 1967 and 1968 model years.

Budd also built two series of "L" cars for the Chicago Transit Authority, the 2200s (1969–1970) and 2600s (1981–1987). The New York City Subway R32 (1964-1965), Long Island Rail Road/Metro-North Railroad M-1 (1968–1973/M2 (1973-1976)/M3 (1984-1986), NJ Transit Arrow III (1978), Baltimore Metro Subway and Miami Metrorail cars (1983) were also built by Budd.

All of Amtrak's 492 Amfleet and 150 Amfleet II cars were built by Budd in 1977 and 1980/1981. The Amfleet body was recycled for usage in the SPV2000, a modernized RDC which was very problematic, saw only three buyers (Amtrak, Metro-North, and ConnDOT), and saw very premature retirements. The fallout from the SPV2000 furthered the decline of the company.

In the early 1980s, Budd reorganized its rail operations under the name Transit America, this name appearing on the builderplates of the Baltimore/Miami cars and Chicago's later 2600s (but not the LIRR/Metro-North M3s). The new name did not save the company, as in 1987 Budd ended all railcar production and sold its rail designs to Bombardier.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A round for the house, Ruth and I'll take a cold, frosty mug of Keiths Pale Ale - thank you!


Until the next time! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, September 9, 2006 7:32 PM
Afternoon Tom, Budd and Lovedomes...Round of house draft if you please ruth.....

Can't let a Saturday pass without my contributition::

GASOLINE GUS;

Along with the 100 or so surplus electric cars obtained by Pacific Electric from the Abandoned North Western Pacific electric operations came two worn out 1923 built Brill gas electrics, whatever was Pacific Electric to do with these? The able craftsman at the Torrance Shops had a ready answer, turn them into gasoline freight motors for use on non-electrified lines or places with extreme fire danger that precluded the operation of steam.

Torrance shopman removed the passenger,baggage,mail compartments which resulted in a unit 36 feet shorter then when built. While they were this involved, they also took the oppertunity to upgrade the units to their high mechanical standards with more powerfull engines and new wiring.

Released from the shops in 1939 as 5010 & 5011, replendent in PE red, soon employess would name the duo "gasoline gus", they were unique to the PE..Immediently, one was assigned the run to Huntington Beach which had sections not under wire. The second unit migrated to the Santa Ana line where the dispatching of citrus trains were paramount.

With line cutbacks after WWII it was common for them to operate in MU between the various PE yards and the UP/SP/AT&SF yards on interchange service, eventually leased diesels would lead to retirements in 1955, sadly, none were perserved for the enjoyment of future generation...

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, September 10, 2006 8:13 AM

Even though the bar at ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s

We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

 

NOW PLAYING at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!

 

. . . Sunday, September 10th thru 16th: Thirty Nine Steps (1935) Starrring: Robert Donat, Madeleine Carroll & Lucie Mannheim – and – Gunfight at the O.K. Corral (1957) Starring: Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas & Rhonda Fleming. SHORT: The Three Stooges -  Dumb Clucks (1937)

 

 

The 39 Steps (1935)

 

PLOT SUMMARY: This classic British thriller was one of Alfred Hitchcock's first major international successes, and it introduced a number of the stylistic and thematic elements that became hallmarks of his later work. Richard Hannay (Robert Donat), a Canadian rancher on vacation in England, attends a music hall performance by "Mr. Memory" (Wylie Watson); in the midst of the show, shots ring out and Richard flees the theater. Moments later, a terrified woman (Lucie Mannheim) begs Richard to help her; back at his room, she tells him that she's a British spy whose life has been threatened by international agents waiting outside. Richard is certain that she's mad until she reappears at his door in the morning, near death with a knife in her back, a map in her hand, and muttering something about "39 Steps." Discovering that a group of thugs are indeed waiting outside, Richard slips away and takes the first train to the Scottish town on the dead woman's map. Richard learns that he's now wanted by the police for murder, and he must find a way to clear his name. He begins trying to do so with the help of a woman he meets en route, Pamela (Madeleine Carroll), who serves as his unwitting assistant, even after she tries to turn him in. The 39 Steps was later remade in 1959 and 1978 -- both without Hitchcock's participation.

 

from: NY Times movie review

 

 

 

Gunfight at the O.K. Corral (1957)

 

PLOT SUMMARY: After the long career of lawman that made him a legend, Wyatt Earp deciedes to quit and join his brothers in Tombstone, Arizona. There he would see them in feud with Clantons, local clan of thugs and cattle thieves. When the showdown becomes inevitable, the help will come from Doc Holliday, terminally-ill gambler who happens to be another Wild West legend.

 

from: www.imdb.com

 

 

SHORT: Dumb Clucks (1937)

 

PLOT SUMMARY: Featuring Moe, Larry and Curly

The Stooges are in jail when they learn that their father, Popsie-Wopsie (also played by Curly), is about to marry a gold-digger named Daisy. The Stooges break out to stop the wedding, and Daisy mistakes Curly for Popsie after he shaves his sideburns. Daisy and two other crooks named Butch and Chopper are going to kill Popsie after the wedding, but luckily the Stooges escape, and return Popsie to the waiting arms of Momma.

 

from: www.threestooges.net

 

Enjoy!Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:43 AM

Good morning guys! Forgive me for eating already, but I had to run out and take some pictures so I would have something to post for ya’ll. Nice Eurostar encore yesterday Tom. Really slick looking train. I see Lars continues to bribe the boss with RDC material … to get more free drinks? Great to see BK pop in, and can I get that jet-powered RDC in a model? Friend Dave also managed to make an appearance, and give us material on Gasoline Gus. Love that PE line. I also want to compliment Dave on his choice of name for our penguin. I vote for “Frostbite.”

And now, here are some pix, starting with the home I’m building in Woodstock.

They started to put windows in, but wouldn’t you know, some were the wrong size, and not all windows were even there.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/Picture753-1.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/Picture754-1.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/Picture789.jpg

Can you see that this window is actually upside-down? They fixed it.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/Picture791.jpg

Here’s the house as it looks this morning … getting rained on again

Let’s move away from the construction site. Here an old gas station

Now look what’s to the left of the station

This is now the UP tunnel, built in 1887

Woodstock station

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/Picture801.jpg

Inside the station …interesting stuff

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/Picture811.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/Picture760.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/Barndad/stuff/Picture759.jpg

And that’s it for now. I worked 7 hours at part-time job yesterday, and am scheduled to work another 5 today, so this may be my one and only post. We shall see!

 

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:16 AM

Even though the bar at ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s  - We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

 

 

Also - don't forget to join us for Sunday breakfast - brunch - lunch! (ends at 2 PM)

 

And now for something a little different - either love 'em or hate 'em . . . but they are "classics" all!

 

N&W Class J 4-8-4 #611 (public domain)

 

NYC Hudson 4-6-4 (public domain)

 

PRR Q1 #6130 4-6-4-4 (1948) (fair use)

 

PRR S1 6-4-4-6 (1939) (public domain)

 

MS&P Atlantic Class A #2 4-4-2 (1935) (fair use)

 

CPR 4-6-4 #2860 Royal Hudson (foto credit: Greg Chadwick)

 

GTW 4-8-4 U-4-B (foto credit: Richard Leonard)

 

Enjoy! Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

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Posted by LoveDomes on Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:53 AM

G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers waiting for the bar to open!

Well, geesh - at least enjoy the buffet tables - so the bar is closed - what's wrong with some great chow, bakery goods from the Mentor Village Bakery, freshly ground 'n brewed coffee - all served by Boris - in our most congenial atmosphere Question [?] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Thanks for this week's movie slate over the Emporium Theatre, Captain Tom! You put a lot into ensuring that these ads get posted each Sunday. I appreciate them! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Something that adds postively to the "flavor" of this fine establishment - and something that I hope isn't being taken for granted or worse yet - totally ignored. I see you "honored" the request of CM3 I'm Not Shane! for the flick he asked for - "The 39 Steps" - it's a goodie, typically Hitchcock and worth seeing (again). Should be some good shots of the Forth Bridge . . . As for the "Gunfight at the OK Corral" - well what's to say about that one Question [?] A classic if there ever was one - great selections! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom - Liked those shrouded steam loco's for this morning's "classic trains" offering. Really nice and great to see that you're "back" for Sunday's pix posting day!

Equally happy to see Doug up 'n about the decks, but concerned that all work and no play may adversely impact our friend from Chicagoland. Surely hope there is a light at the end of the tunnel for you. Looks like your house is coming along nicely - even though it's not a "classic trains" house! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Enjoyed the spread! Thumbs Up [tup] including the "funny"!

Tonight is the "big football game" over at the Meadowlands as the "brother quarterbacks" square off. Way too much hype about that in my not-so-humble-opinion. I'm really "read for some football" and am looking forward to my Sunday's in front of the "boob tube" for the next 17 weeks plus playoffs and Super Bowl! <yikes> <double yikes>

I'm going to scrounge about to see what I can come up with for some pix for whoever is taking all of this in. Then - I'm gone for the day.

Enjoy the buffet and doesn't Boris look splendid in his waiter's attire Question [?] <ooooooooooh>

Be back in a bit . . .

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Posted by LoveDomes on Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:01 AM

G'day again!

As promised - Captain Tom - here's my humble submission for this Sunday pix posting day!

 

[Of course - "click" to enlarge]

PRR dual K4s (1946) (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com) (photo: Fred C. Stoes)

 

 

B&O EM1 2-8-8-4 (courtesy: Cincinnati Railroad Club collection)

 

 

IC 2-8-2 #1784 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com)

(Photo: Paul Stringham)

 

 

MP #5308 4-8-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com)

(photo: Paul Eilenberger)

 

 

Southern #1401 at the Smithsonian

 

N&W #611 4-8-4 Class J (credit unidentified)

 

Until the next time! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by pwolfe on Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:22 PM

Hi Tom and all. It seems as though I have missed brunch so I will pop this in the mail slot.

DOUG Good part two of the Air-Line and loved the engineer itemThumbs Up [tup] .

MIKE  I am sure ROB will enjoy the Canadian links with the trolleys old steam scenes and the great photos of the RCAF aircraft and crews.

Enjoyed the Encores yesterday with DOUG's from the other thread, TOM's Eurostar, not long now untill the new Channel Tunnel Rail Link is opened in the UK. LARS and BK swapping swapping original posts for their encores. The RDC post is well worth reading again.

Then DAVE was in with the two early gas-electrics 5010 & 5011 converted for use on the PE. Frostbite is a good name for the new mascot.

DOUG Good to see the house coming alongThumbs Up [tup], and great pics of Woodstock depot. Is it in use as a cafe now,  and are there many trains that run through thereQuestion [?].

TOM Good pics again this week at the EmporiumThumbs Up [tup]  The '39 version of the 39 Steps is a great movie altough for the Forth Bridge scenes I think the '59 is better, (more loco shots). OK Corrall is a classic Western, great theme music, and the Stooges as wellApprove [^].Certainly Streamlining suited some classes of loco better than others, although it is great to see photos of them. The Pennsy Q1 is a fascinating loco, with what must be one of the largest tenders ever builtWow!! [wow].Then LARS good set of photos of the conventional locos, and the streamlined magnificent N&W class J.

For my pics this week I have some from Ireland and England.

Two pics of the J15 0-6-0  for those who enjoyed this great loco. This time at THURLES Ireland

These next two are at the Forest Of Dean Railway in Gloucestershire to the North East of Bristol. Taken on the May 20th this year, a day after the extension of the line to Parkend, where the photos were taken, was officially re-opened. The line used to serve numerous small colleries in the Forest of Dean. The loco is an industrial 0-6-0 Saddle Tank JESSIE. This loco is based at the Llangollen railway in Wales.



I will post a couple more pics a bit later.

Pete.

     

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Posted by pwolfe on Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:48 PM

Hi Tom and all.

Part two of Alan's pics

These first two are at the Great Central Railway at Loughbourgh, Leicestershire.


Standard 2-6-4 tank # 80105, this loco was rescued from Barry Scrapyard and is based at the Bo'neess railway in Scotland.

 

Class 45 1CO-CO1 diesel-electric #D123 it carries the name Leicester and Derbyshire Yeomanry, although another loco carried this name in British Railway days.

Two pics of a railtrip I was on of June 17th hauled by the pride of the LMS  Princess Coronation Pacific # 46229 Duchess Of Sutherland. This was part of a batch of 5 locos that were not streamlined.

At Crewe station at the start of the trip.


 At Carlisle. The Royal Scot headboard is the one of this design that was used on the train in Scotland. The one used in England had a red background.

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, September 11, 2006 7:12 AM

Okay Gents, the time has come for the selection we have been waiting for in the "Name the Penguin Contest!"

 

 

The submissions:

 

Pengie (from Lars)

Chester (from Nick)

Willie (from Rob)

Phil (from BK 'n Lydia)

Pudgie (from Doug)

Percy or Chilly (from Pete)

Frostbite (from Dave)

 

and the winner is:

 

Dave from the Left Coast with his offering of Frostbite! Thumbs Up [tup] Wow!! [wow] Yeah!! [yeah]

 

and this just in from Antarctica . . . "Mom 'n Pop" are sooooooo pleased! That's "Pop" being pushed into the drink . . . Shock [:O]

 

Thanx to all who participated - getting 7 out of the small number of customers we have 'round here is outstanding! Thumbs Up [tup] Much appreciated . . .

 

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

 

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, September 11, 2006 7:40 AM

G'day Gents!

Monday, Monday, can't trust that day
Monday, Monday, it just turns out that way
Oh Monday, Monday, won't go away
Monday, Monday, it's here to stay
The Mamas and the Papas

The weekend is a memory, but there's always another to look forward to, eh Question [?]

In spite of our Sunday Photo Posting Days being far less participated in than in past months, there were some interesting Pix provided for one and all - so check 'em out and let's get some dialogue generated 'round here! Thumbs Up [tup] Thanx to Doug, Lars 'n Pete for the contributions! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]

A very dark and stormy morning here in mid-continent USA as the thunder storms are rolling through the area. We can certainly use the rain and along with it, some lower temperatures - which probably means I will be "retiring" the summer clothes before too long. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Weekly Calendar: 

Tuesday: RR Theme for the Day! - Kansas City Southern (KCS)

Wednesday: Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! - Optional

Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!

Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!

Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –

ENCORE! Saturday

 

Boris, ring the bell and serve 'em up all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!

 

Tom Captain [4:-)] Pirate [oX)]

 

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Posted by LoveDomes on Monday, September 11, 2006 8:14 AM

G’day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


Looks like our Proprietor beat me to the punch – and here I thought I’d get an early start! <grin>


Monday it is and how appropriate those lyrics are from that great Mamas and Papas song. Seems like only yesterday when that song was on the “charts.” Thumbs Up [tup]


Giants lost their opener over at the Meadowlands. The Colts are still remembered by many of us for that great NFL Championship game up at Yankee Stadium in December, 1958 - so many years back – before the AFL – before Super Bowls – a “classic” by any other name. Colts won 23-17. So, now they are the Indianapolis Colts and still have a “thing” going when playing my Giants. Thumbs Down [tdn]


Pete, that was quite a spate of pix you provided for us and the explanations always make them so much more meaningful. Thanks for the extra-effort, mate! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]


Tom, you have done it again with that great penguin “funny”!! Really got a chuckle out of the Mrs. too – something she’d do – to ME! <grin> Anyway, glad to see that Left Coast Dave’s submission wound up as the winnAH – a most appropriate name – Frostbite! Thumbs Up [tup]


As many of you can well imagine, it is a somber day in many places, but my guess is that for those of us in New York City, the Pentagon, and that farmer’s field in Pennsylvania – the memories run very long and deep. Nice graphic from you, Tom – pretty much sums it all up! Thumbs Up [tup]




Boris – I’ll have one more of those OJs that Tom is known for – then I’ll head off to tackle the chores of the day!


Until the next time! Thumbs Up [tup]
 

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Posted by coalminer3 on Monday, September 11, 2006 8:30 AM

Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.  Why is Boris face-down in a 100 lb. bag of penguin chow?  A nice addition to the collection and I'm sure he'll enjoy "Hockey Night in Mentor" broadcasts during the NHL season.

 

Let's begin today with a toast to absent friends.

 

My Giants beat themselves – gonna be a long season, guys.  See where Lars had something to say about this as well.  I remember the Giants-Colts game you mentioned.  Long b4 there was a team in New England.  Black and white TV, too.  !@#$ Alan Ameche!

 

Many interesting posts. 

 

Tom provided steam [picture, movie material (Hitchcock, a western, and stooges) – something for everybody.  Then we went for a ride on the Eurostar.  And today something to help us remember - many thanks.

 

Pete – The Duchess of Sutherland – hot damn!  And other steam shots as well.

 

Lars – An eclectic selection of pictures to enlarge and study.

 

Barndad – Most of my humble example of coal camp architecture looked that way this summer; only it was on the inside including a bathtub in the kitchen.  The K9 Korps thought it was wonderful as they could beg for lunch from a variety of folks who were doing different things.  Then we had trains and planes as well. I have lot of Pullman manuals, etc. in the stack of stuff and always liked, “Present the bottle to the passenger.”  Did you know that Pullman beer service required two kinds of glasses?  No, Boris, not for juggling! 

 

Dave – I learned something new from the PE item you sent – thank you!  PE (in general)  is one operation I wish I could have seen.

 

BK – Social commentary and jet-powered Budds.

 

Since we will be doing Kansas City Southern, here’s a brain buster to get you warmed up. 

 

In the late 1960s, twelve (12) trunk line railroads served Kansas City, Mo. Name them – answers tomorrow.

 

Here’s a little advertising copy for L&N Tote service.  Note the former passenger train name

 

Day or Night

 

Departures With L&N’s two all-piggyback Dixie Flyers Between Midwest and South.

 

Ship With a Piggyback Leader Between Chicago, St. Louis, Cincinnati and Atlanta, Tampa, Jacksonville and Miami.

 

Paved, fenced, and lighted facilities are provided at Atlanta, Birmingham, Louisville, Memphis, Nashville, and New Orleans.

 

Work safe

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, September 11, 2006 10:39 AM

G'day Gents!

Ruth, set 'em up with whatever they'd like - Boris ring the bell, and let's settle in for some introspective thinking on this September 11th . . . .

1947--Freedom Train--1949
126 Historic Freedom Documents
American Heritage Foundation

The Freedom Train was on Tour for 413 days,
visited 322 Comunities in all 48 States and traveled
over 37,000 miles during its historic Journey.

Over 3.5 Million Visitors toured
the Freedom Train with one in every 500,000
receiving a special gift. Each visitor signed the
"Freedom Scroll," which was presented to
 President Harry S. Truman.

 

(Click to enlarge)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note: All images and relevant information obtained from http://www.lincoln-highway-museum.org/FT/FT-Index.html. There is no intent to misuse, profit or otherwise denegrate the use of these materials.

 

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Posted by BudKarr on Monday, September 11, 2006 11:50 AM

Good Morning Captain Tom and all assembled!

Ruth, a round for the Gentlemen and I will have a #3 from the menu board, a hot mug of coffee with just a "splash" to make it interesting, and one or two pastries from the Mentor Village Bakery case. Thank you!

Most interesting photos yesterday, well summarized by those before me. With Tom - Doug - Lars and Pete keeping things active, it certainly appears that the Sunday Photo Posting Day! idea is alive and well - good show! Thumbs Up [tup] I still am quite uncomfortable with not being able to fully participate in the spirit of it all - for I have no photo archives of my own to draw from. Personally, I grow weary pouring through the Urls, especially when they are so numerous - I much prefer a half dozen or so of photos per submission. Makes it much more tolerable for "we cheerleaders." Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

What a laugh we engaged in over that Penguin "splash" photo! Very good, very funny and very appropriately done, Tom! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Wholeheartedly concur with the selection made for the name of the Penguin mascot - Frostbite certainly topped them all. Congratulations to the California Coaster - Dave! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Lydia asked me if I could name the mascots of "Our" Place - I thought I could, but failed miserably! Where WERE you, Lars, when I needed you the most Question [?] You did not provide your Encore of the essentials of the bar on Saturday! Get this - she named them all - Juneau (Tom's Husky) - Awk the Parrot - Tex the Armadillo and Frostbite the Penguin! Wow!! [wow]

A fine photo spread from our leader on this day of remembrance for many in the free world. Nicely done and most appropriate. As a person with dual citizenship, there is absolutely no question with regard to where my allegiance lies when it comes to the defense of EITHER country against the hordes amassing at the gates of freedom. Sorry if that sounds somewhat melodramatic - however, these are serious times, indeed, and when lives are being lost, or otherwise shattered - how can any of us not think of what is going on in this sorry world Question [?]

Thank you also for the Freedom Train photos and URL. That provided me with some motivation to emulate what you have done. Correctly stated - I ":turned my assistant" loose and she came up with some fine photos as well! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Caveat: These photos are from http://www.trainweb.org/screamingeagle/gallery/aft.html with proper credit given to the respective photographers.

USA/SP #4449 in Oregon, 2002 - (photo: Gordon Hall)


 

USA/SP #4449 in Bend, Oregon (photo: Rick Weil - 2002)

 

 

USA/SP #4449 in Oregon, 2002 - (photo: Gordon Hall)

 

 

USA/SP #4449 in Oregon, 2002 - (photo: Gordon Hall)

 

 

USA/SP #4449 in Oregon, 2002 - (photo: Gordon Hall)

 

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Posted by coalminer3 on Monday, September 11, 2006 11:59 AM

Good afternoon Barkeep and All Present; round for the house.

Well done, one and all.

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Posted by LoveDomes on Monday, September 11, 2006 4:22 PM

G'day Captain Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Ruth, I'll take a mug of Schaefer and some snacks . . .

Wow!! [wow] What a wonderful tribute put forth by Tom 'n BK on this 911 - outstanding, Gents! A five-Thumbs Up [tup] to the both of you! Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup] Only "downside" is that it appears only CM3 I'm not Shane! viewed them - until I came along, that is! <groan. A far cry from the "old days", huh Question [?]

Have been away from the homestead for most of the day - doctors office - hospital room - it never ends. Aging is not a process that is kind to and for many. Let's just leave it at that . . .

I have managed to scout around and come up with something appropriate for our "theme" day - and aside from posting URLs - there are not too many KCS pix out there without copyrights and other caveats against further use. Makes me really laugh - why in the world put this stuff on the web - in cyber space no less - and then "expect" one and all to "honor" the proprietory nature of them. I suppose this is what makes the law profession so "necessary" in our society!

Pardon me if I seem to have run out of things to say - but it really has to do more with what this day represents than anything else. So, let me simply wish you all a good evening - and hope to see some activity here tomorrow - our 17th month anniversary of the bar!

Ruth, drinks on me - if you please! Thumbs Up [tup] Boris - do your thing! No - not THAT - ring the bell! <geesh>

Until the next time! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Lars

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