"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[West Coast S]

I have returned, Tom, if so desired, my offer of endless libatations can be used for more productive times. I tell you, that CP maroon and gray was one fine scheme, nice that they saw fit to revive it for their Heritage fleet, heck, it looks as if made for second generation power as well, do we dare hope for a AC in these colors??
I've never mossied over to the other thread, perhaps as time permits...

Of course you could paint a F unit in pink with polka dots and purple zebra stripes and the timeless design would be undenieable. Was a scheme ever devised that didn't look good on a F unit? (Penn Central does not count). If so, i'm still searching......

Doug/Al... I've made a shocking discovery regarding my homeowners insurance, seems i'm covered on the structure for $85.00 a square foot, that was sufficient for 1980, now the cost to build or replace is around $380.00 a square foot in my area. That could have been a budget buster if a diaster resulting in loss of structure had occured. Last time I did the math, coverage for contents was beyond my means but my agent is calculating a full coverage quote to which should be a bit easier on the wallet and remedy that coverage deficency.

One and half hours to quiting time and two days off, i'm beat!!! Have to part now to cross the T's and dot all the I's.

Until later

Dave

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and friends. I pretty much finished the pix for tomorrow, and I could really use a nice cold bottemless draught. Is Dave still buying? I'll get the next round when he leaves, or falls under his stool, whichever comes first! I hope you start paying your fair share to these insurance companies, Dave .... they can barely afford to buy more stadiums without your help! Here's part II of my ENCORE

The Great Strike of 1877 by H.R. Edwards Railroad Stories Feb. 1936

Meanwhile, at Pittsburgh, Pa., the situation was growing more desperate. The sheriff called for state aid. Governor John F. Hartranft issued the usual anti-rioting proclamation and ordered out the militia. This increased the tension; strike sympathizers refused to let freight cars leave the city.

All over the East the strike movement was spreading. On July 18th the men struck on the Western and Buffalo divisions of the Erie road, extending from Hornellsville (now Hornell) to Dunkirk and Buffalo. No freight trains were allowed to leave Hornellsville in either direction.

On the 21st, President Hayes issued another proclamation, warning all rioters to disperse within twenty-four hours. The situation was critical. Calls for federal troops were coming from five states: West Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Illinois. All New York regiments (16,000 men) were assembled in their armories. At Brooklyn, N.Y., a regiment was loaded aboard a special train on the Erie, en route to Hornellsville. The train reached Elmira at 7 a.m. on July 24th. Armed guards were stationed on the engine and tender and on platforms of the coaches to see that the train was not stopped.

Rioters attempted to clamber aboard at Corning, but were beaten off. Then they turned the switch and at the same time blocked the main by overturning a baggage car on it and damaging several locomotives. The fireman of the troop train deserted to the strikers. He helped them tear up the track for a short distance at several places. More cars were overturned.

The troop train was effectively stopped, but a construction party was organized; under the protection of bayonets it gradually rebuilt and reopened the line. At half a mile from Hornellsville the train was derailed by a loosened rail. Thereupon the troops unloaded and marched to the depot. In a short time some freight trains were running in and out of Hornellsville.

On July 22nd Governor Hartranft ordered out every regiment in the State of Pennsylvania. That night there was a strike riot at Reading, culminating in the burning of several cars. Soldiers killed thirteen of the mob and wounded nearly fifty. The Lebanon Valley Railroad bridge over the Schuylkill River, which had cost $50,000, was burned.

In Philadelphia strikers set fire to an oil train, but only four of the cars were burned. By this time the eastern ranks of the strikers had swollen by men from the New York Central, the Delaware & Lackawanna & Western, the Delaware & Hudson, the Morris & Essex, the Lehigh & Susquehanna, and the C.N.J.

At Indianapolis strikers seized the Union Depot and refused to let trains run, with the single exception of mail cars. At Chicago the strike movement embraced the B&O, the Michigan Central, the Illinois Central, the Rock Island, the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy and the Chicago & Alton. In some cases the men walked out eagerly; in others they had to be driven away from their jobs by force.

At East St. Louis, Ill., the strike sympathizers ran into a snag. The movement spread to the Ohio & Mississippi (now B&O) and the St. Louis & South-Eastern (now L&N), but as those two roads were being operated by receivers appointed by a federal court, detachments of United States regular soldiers were summoned to enforce operation of the O&M and the St. L&SE.

In most cases the railroad strikers themselves were well organized and orderly; strike sympathizers and the military element caused most of the disorders. The strikers were hampered by the fact that a large number of company spies circulated among them and betrayed their plans. The strikers made special efforts to keep mail cars running. A committee of striking engineers on the Buffalo Division of the lake Shore & Michigan Southern wired to the Postmaster General at Washington; “None of the mails have been interfered with or stopped here by parties known as strikers. We will furnish all engineers and firemen to pass all the mails regularly, at our expense, if the railroad companies will permit it.”

Vice President Cassatt (later president) of the Pennsylvania Railroad made a fast run from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh in his special car, and went straight to East Liberty with Superintendent Robert Pitcairn, Sheriff R.C. Fife, a party of forty-five deputies, and a regiment of national guardsmen from Philadelphia. Sheriff Fife mounted to the cab of the locomotive, read the riot act and harangued the mob. They jeered and laughed. The sheriff ordered his deputies to arrest the ringleaders. A strike sympathizer shouted; “Give them Hell!” Immediately a shower of stones was hurled at the troops. The latter opened fire, killing sixteen of the citizens and wounding a great many more.

This massacre inflamed the mob. “Lynch the Philadelphians!” and “Burn the railroad shops and depots!” were heard on every hand. A large crowd broke into Johnson’s Gun Works and seized two hundred rifles and a quantity of small arms, while other rioters confiscated three hundred additional rifles.

The Philadelphia troops, numbering more than eight hundred, retreated into the large PRR roundhouse at 28th and Liberty Streets, taking with them two Gatling guns and other pieces belonging to Brack’s battery. There they barricaded themselves against the Pittsburgh mob. Rioters seized a cannon, loaded it, and planted it within 100 feet of the roundhouse. But before they could open fire, marksmen picked them off one by one. When the dreary day dawned thirteen dead bodies were found beside that cannon.

Unable to dislodge the troops in any other way, in insurrectionists resolved to burn them out. An oil train was set afire and run down the track against the sandhouse, near the roundhouse. The sandhouse was burned to the ground, but the roundhouse was saved by the soldiers within, whi used the railroad hydrants to fight the flames. Nearly suffocated by the stench of burning oil, the besieged troops vacated the roundhouse at seven the next morning, which was Sunday, and retreated to Sharpsburg, fighting their way through the mob, killing and being killed.

Construction gang under protection of soldiers rerailing a Lackawanna train derailed by rioters at Corning, N.Y.



[:I] If you can't laugh about this you need help.... This is a supposedly a true story from the Word Perfect help line. Needless to say the help desk employee was fired; however, the person is currently suing the Word Perfect organization for "termination without cause". This is from the taped conversation leading up to dismissal :

"Word Perfect Technical Desk, may I help you?"

"Yes, well, I'm having trouble with Word Perfect."

"What sort of trouble?"

"Well, I was just typing along, and all of a sudden the words went away."

"Went away?"

"They disappeared."

"Hmm. So what does your screen look like now?"

"Nothing."

"Nothing?"

"It's blank; it won't accept anything when I type."

"Are you still in Word Perfect, or did you get out?"

"How do I tell?"

"Can you see the C: prompt on the screen?"

"What's a sea-prompt?"

"Never mind. Can you move the cursor around on the screen?"

"There isn't any cursor: I told you, it won't accept anything I type!"

"Does your monitor have a power indicator?"

"What's a monitor?"

"It's the thing with the screen on it that looks like a TV.

"Does it have a little light that tells you when it's on?"

"I don't know."

"Well, then look on the back of the monitor and find where the power cord goes into it. Can you see that?"

"Yes, I think so."

"Great. Follow the cord to the plug, and tell me if it's plugged into the wall."

".......Yes, it is."

"When you were behind the monitor, did you notice that there were two cables plugged into the back of it, not just one?"

"No."

"Well, there are. I need you to look back there again and find the other cable."

"Okay, here it is."

"Follow it for me, and tell me if it's plugged securely into the back of your computer."

"I can't reach."

"Uh huh. Well, can you see if it is?"

"No."

"Even if you maybe put your knee on something and lean way over?"

"Oh, it's not because I don't have the right angle-it's because it's dark."

"Dark?"

"Yes-the office light is off, and the only light I have is coming in from the window."

"Well, turn on the office light then."

"I can't."

"No? Why not?"

"Because there's a power outage."

"A power... A power outage? Aha, Okay, we've got it licked now. Do you still have the boxes and manuals and packing stuff your computer came in?"

"Well, yes, I keep them in the closet."

"Good. Go get them, and unplug your system and pack it up just like it was when you got it. Then take it back to the store you bought it from."

"Really? Is it that bad?"

"Yes, I'm afraid it is."

"Well, all right then, I suppose. What do I tell them?"

"Tell them you're too stupid to own a computer." [:I]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Interesting commentary, Dave - certainly concur with you regarding the livery of those Canadian Pacific diesels. Love it! [tup] I suppose my favorite diesels are the Alco PAs in assorted liveries. Love the Santa Fe war bonnets - love the NYC lightning bolts - love the D&H version of the bonnet and the beat goes on! Fine looking machines, eh [?]

Of course, everyone knows that when it comes to locomotives, the Pennsy GG1s simply "do it" for moi! [yeah]

Nice series Doug but for today - far too much reading . . . something for later (again!). [swg] On point comment regarding insurance companies and they way they spend OUR money! <groan>

But back to the CP, here's another . . . .

ENCORE: CP FP9A #1416 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good evening again Tom and friends. I'll just have a six-pack of Samuel Adams Boston Lager, and then call it a night. I agree ...I submitted way too much reading material today, but it was a long series, and I didn't want to break it up. IN other news, I got some new (old) train material today, and am anxious to share it with ya'll, as soon as I know what I have!
Here's the final part of the 1877 strike series:

The Great Strike of 1877 by H.R. Edwards Railroad Stories Feb. 1936

Ruins of the Pennsylvania RR roundhouse and car shops at Pittsburgh after the fire. The loss was estimated at about $7,000,000 and hundreds of rioters were killed or injured.


Once incendiarism was started, the rioters did not rest until they had destroyed 1,600 freight and passenger cars, many of them loaded with valuable merchandise, and 126 locomotives, together with all the machine shops and railroad offices in the vicinity. The mob planted their cannon in the streets nearby and informed the city firemen they’d blow them to pieces if they tried to put out those flames.

The firemen beat a hasty retreat, and the work of destruction continued unabated. While the torch was being applied, thousands of men, women and children took part in pillaging the cars. Men armed with heavy hammers broke open the box cars and threw the contents to the frenzied mob. Hundreds of wagons were pressed into service to haul off the loot. Here would be a woman with brawny arms rolling a barrel of flour through the crowd, a boy would be lugging a huge family Bible; a man would be pushing a wheel-barrow loaded with hams or fancy parasols or household goods. Thousands were grabbing, fighting, robbing, running off with their booty.

Meanwhile, the flames had spread to Pittsburgh’s four-story Union Depot. Rioters, impatient at the delay, had rushed into the stationmaster’s office, bursting open desks and offices, scattering books and papers over the floor, and saturating them with oil. “The Union Depot is on fire!” The cry went up from a thousand throats. Hundreds of persons climbed the high tower in City Hall to get a magnificent view of the leaping flames and billowing clouds of smoke that reddened the sky for miles.

Next a huge grain elevator, 150 feet high and eighty feet square, was reduced to ashes, even though it did not belong to the railroad company.. The Panhandle Depot on Grand Street and the locomotive shop on Quarry Street met the same fate. By this time a vast area for a distance of three miles was a wall of fire, ad before the sun went to rest that night not a railroad building nor a car of the Pennsylvania and Panhandle roads was left unburned in Pittsburgh. The loss was estimated to be about $7,000,000. At least fifty-three of the rioters had been killed and 110 injured. In addition, eight soldiers were killed and nearly forty wounded.

The strike had now become so general throughout the East that the Pennsylvania Railroad annulled all trains until the civil and military authorities could guarantee their safety. On the Pittsburgh, Chicago & Fort Wayne orders were given to discontinue all trains. The strikers thereupon took possession of that entire road, and ran passenger trains nearly on scheduled time.

The leader of this movement was Robert Ammond, a clear-headed and intelligent executive who knew how to handle both men and trains. On Saturday evening he was a humble brakeman. On Sunday morning he was a capable superintendent, dispatching trains, issuing passes, and receiving all reports from employees, officials, stockholders, and even from Manager Layng. On Tuesday morning he resigned, rather reluctantly, to become a humble brakeman again. During the three days he was in charge not a single accident occurred on the line, although there were plenty of danger and excitement on all sides.

All over the State of Pennsylvania were riots and bloodshed and the burning of railroad property. At Scranton the striking trainmen were reinforced by miners of the district; three leaders were killed, many injure; the mayor was knocked down and barely escaped with his life. At Nanticoke a scab engineer was shot. In Chicago, on July 26th, the troops fired upon a crowd of strike sympathizers, killing ten and wounding sixty-four. The trail of blood and fire spread to St. Louis, and even to San Francisco, where a vigilance committee was organized.

The railroad labor leaders were appalled at the destruction of property by mobs and the terrible loss of life caused by the rifles of the militia men and soldiers of the regular army. As troops occupied the great railroad centers, one after another, they put down rioting without mercy and thus enforced the operation of trains. Labor leaders had no heart for fighting the United States Army. Gradually the strike died down, without attaining its object.

The railroad officials, aghast at such display of force, were quick to offer the olive branch at the first signs of weakening of the strike. On the Pennsy, for instance, Superintendent Pitcairn announced at Pittsburgh that the striking engineers and firemen could have their own engines again if they returned to duty at once. What happened as a result of this announcement was summed up by a newspaper reporter:

“The old engineers claim they had been forced to join the strike, and are only too glad to get back. I saw them this afternoon (July 30th) at the dispatcher’s office, where they were to report, according to Supt. Pitcairn’s proclamation. They flocked in like taxpayers at the tax office on the last day before penalties begin to run, each man to put his name down on a paper headed simply: List of Loyal Men Now Ready to Work. Hundreds of trainmen and engineers had signed during the day. The following scene was frequently repeated: Enter young fellow, a trainman or engineer. He says nothing, but walks up and looks over the long list of names and sees some of them marked with a cross. “What does that black mark mean/” he asks nervously. “That is to indicate the man is an engineer.” “Oh!” comes the sigh of relief. His eye runs over the list rapidly, and finally he says sullenly; “By God, they are all there! Well, put my name down too.””

William H. (“Commodore”) Vanderbilt, who gave his loyal employees $100,000


William H. Vanderbilt, president of the New York Central, was elated when the rioting ceased, and issued a statement to his employees on August 1st: “We have passed through a period of unparalleled excitement … I appealed to you to resist lawlessness at the hands of the rioters, to protect the property of this company and assist in restoring order. Your response has won the admiration and respect of the whole country. Of this company’s 12,000 employees, less than 500 have shown any disposition to embarrass it.”

Vanderbilt went on to say that as a token of his appreciation he was distributing $100,000 rated according to their position on the payroll, among all his employees, except executives and clerks. Thus ended the biggest railroad strike in American history. Although the strikers did not win the wage scale they had fought for, they demonstrated a power that the officials could never forget. From that time on there was a gradual improvement in railroad wages and working conditions. These two facts, it must be admitted, are more than mere coincidences.


[:I] A journalist assigned to the Jerusalem bureau takes an apartment overlooking the Wailing Wall. Every day when he looks out, he sees this old Jew praying vigorously. So the journalist goes down to the wall, introduces himself and says "You come every day to the wall. How long have you done that and what are you praying for?"

The old Jew replies "I have come here to pray every day for 25 years. In the morning I pray for world peace, then I pray for the brotherhood of man. I go home, have a glass of tea, and I come back to pray for the eradication of illness and disease from the earth."

The amazed journalist finally asks "How does it make you feel to come and pray every day for 25 years for these things?"

The old Jew replies "Like I'm talking to a wall." [:I]

[trolleyboy]

What Ho ! Gents. Tom I'll happily partake of Dave's free buffet of libations tonight. It's been a fairly steady encore day, he may have wished that he did notoffer to cover the booze till midnight his time[:0][B)][8]

Tom Thanks for providing the run down on that car. It's a dead wringer for similar cars that ran on the Cleveland Shaker Heights fast line and on the Fox Valley. Quite close to some Preston C&C built cars that ran on the Toronto Suburban fron 1917 to 31 as well. Imagine a train of those type of cars ( 3 units ) whipping along the ROW at the Museum at 60+ MPH. The Toronto Suburban covered the Toronto to Guelph run in approx 45 minutes ! With 40 station stops ! try that in traffic today.

Loved the CPR shots too Tom. That's the nicest paint job ever carried by a Canadian RR, and it holds it own against the best from the US as well. IMHO[:D][^]

Tom 'n' Al Qiute the tag team today, loved the Classic railroaad encore followed by the streamliner report. [tup] You sure that you guys didn't cook that up over email yesterday[;)][?]

Doug Some great encore efforts from you today again sir.Glad to see you pick up the slack today and help the bar hum along at an unpresidented clip ( for a sat lately )

Not the brightest spot for a stop sign I would say,isn't a similarly misplaced stop sign responsible partly for that great raspberry jam truck commutor train crash in Califronia last summer[?]

Ted He put the doornob where[?][:0][:(!] that's it I'm not letting him even touch any brass locomotives lest they find their way into that particular tunnel as well[:(!]

A lady adjuster might be a good or bad thing for you. If she's a neat freak your batchelors pad may not do so well[tdn][:I]On the upside maybe she's single and likes to "ride" trains[:I][:0][;)]

Thanks for both yours and Tom's recollectuions of the KC flood. I remember seeing one of those disastres of te century episodes on it. The difference between that and the one that "relocated" the towns in Ont and Que was that the one up here was manmade and done on purpose [tdn]. Your right Tom I'm sure many new wrods were added to the French and English languages over that one.

Dave Hey nice to see you in a couple o times today. Great early SD article, I've always had a soft spot for them. I purcahsed a proto SD7 EMD demonstrator just to run with my first gen CPR Alcos and Geep's looks good to me. your right the CPR M&G did look good on the second generation units as well. The GP30's & 35's of 1964-65 build were delivered in that scheme, some ran into the 80's still in that faded paint job. A 1967 order for SD40's were the last locomotives to be delivered in the classic garb. If one's luckey enough Kato's original HO SD40 run of 1990-91 had a CPR SD40 painted in the marroon and grey script scheme. I'm not sure if modern AC's or SD90's would look good in it though


Rob

[trolleyboy]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Another classic juise encore from the vault, this one first appeared on page 211.

Rob

CLASSIC JUICE #14 THE TORONTO SUBURBAN RAILWAY


This is the little known Toronto electric line. It had a peculiar and not altogether happy history. For most of it's years of operation it was only a suburban streetcar line. When construction of the major intercity line comenced, it proceeded at a snails pace. As a consequence, the extention to it's as planned radial line ruined the company financially.

It was incorporated in 1894 as the Toronto Suburban Street Railway Company and built in the mid-nineties from Keele and Dundas streets in Toronto via Dundas Road to Lambton Mills, and to Weston via Keele and Weston Road. In addition a street car line was built from Bathurst Street and Davenport Road via Davenport and Weston Roads to Keele.Around 1901 the line developed great ambitions of building to Hamilton, but the project never got beyond the survey stage,and the company continued for a decade as a small suburban carrier, with about ten miles of line and a moderate rate of return on investment.

In 1911 the line was aquired by MacKenzie ( of Candian Northern Fame ), and plans for extention were revived, this time in the direction of Guelph. First however, the Weston line was extended in a crooked winding route into Woodbridge,following the road for a distance and then the Humber River. The track reached Woodbridge in 1913, but a dispute with the town over location prevented introduction of regular service until oct 10 of 1914. The mainline to Guelph was surveyed in 1911, and construction commenced in 1912. Much of the grading was finished in 1913 except for heavy work near Lambton. Work continued in 1914, during which year miost of the rail was laid. The war slowed down construction,and not until april 14, 1917, was service inaugerated on the 49 mile line from Lambton to Guelph.

The road was built to relativly high standards,with substancial grading and filling and several extensive bridges and tressels,including a 711 foot steel bridge over the Humber and a 315 foot wooden tressel accross the west branch of the Credit river. The track was nearly all on a private right of way, following Dundas street to summerville and then cutting cross country via Medowvale, Huttonville,Norval,Georgetown,Acton, and Edon Mills, south of the Grand trunk's old mainline. The Line climbed 755 feet from lambton to a point west of Acton.( This is nowadays Milton, our Museum ROW is the old TSR line through to Guelph ) The operation was 1500 volt DC , with catenary overhead, and the track unlike the old line of the company was standard guage. In 1916 the company sought permission to change a portion of it's Toronto trackage to standard guage to allow through operation of their cars. Although the city was opposed on the grounds that operation of interurban cars on city streets was unsafe, the permission was granted and the changes made. The interurban cars then terminated at Keele and Dundas, still a long distance from downtown.

The delays that plagued construction were not over, even as introduction of regular service approached; several of the cars completed for the company by the Preston Car and Coach Company were destroyed when a fire swept the car building plants,so TSR was forced to restrict its operations to a limited scale for several months. The 59 foot sixty-two passenger cars were of the centre door type ( only), unique in Candian interurba operation. Two 61 foot 9 inch cars were built for tthe line by the Niagara St Catharines and Toronto Railway in 1924.

The line was scarcley finished before the roads parent company, the Canadian Northern, was aquired by the Dominion govt to become a portion of Candian National Railways. The attitude of the latter towards the TSR shifted several times over the next decade. At first CNR was willing to let the road go to become part of the Hydro radial system, but when plans for the latter fell through Sir Henery Thornton( CNR's first President ) became enthusiastic for a time about a system of electric lines in the Toronto area under CNR owbership.He merged the TSR with the unfinished Toronto Eastern, comenced to complete the line and latter refused an offer by the city to purchase the line in 1922 ( would have become part of the TTC ) The line was operated, after 1923 as Candian National Railways, Toronto Suburban District. In 1924 and 1925 a new entrance into the city was built from west of Lambton to St Clair and Keele via a private ROW with an underpass under the CPR.Plans were developed to bring cars downtown to the Union Station over the main CNR tracks. The old Lambton line was sold to the township and operated by the TTC till it's abandonement in 1928.Meanville in 1923 the expiration of the city lines occured and the former city routes of the TSR and incorporated into the new TTC. The Weston line was sold to Weston and York township but was operated as a TTC line until 1948 when it was abandoned due to bus competition.

Opertating deficits appeared in 1921 and continued to build,revenues fell while the exopenses kept edging higher. The operating ratio was 145 by 1925. Thus the TSR was the most unproffitable electric line in Canada. If it had been a private company the plug would have been pulled in 1926 but pressure from Guelph and the other towns on the interurban line kept it going. By 1931 only 300 assengers a day were being carried by the line, all operations were discontinued in that august. All the physical plant was sold off at 25 cents on a dollar so $500,000 was recouped by the creditors. All the cars were given to the NS&T which was also a CNR electric line. Interestingly car 107 made the last run on the TSR and as NS&T's #83 it made the last passenger run on the NS&T in 1959.


Rob

[trolleyboy]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Another classic juice encore for you gents as well. Gotta keep Ted's traction levels up[;)][:p] This one first posted back on page 180.
Rob

Classic Juice # 12 The Toronto Civic Railways

The Toronto Civic was a collection of streetcar lines that the city built to provide transit in areas that the privatly owned Toronto Railway Company, Toronto Suburban Railway, and the Toronto and York Radial railway would not or could not cover. The Civic lines wer all separate and did not attach to each other so each division had it's own car house snowsweepers and maintenace facilities. The years of operation were 1912-1921.

The primary lines were located as follows Landsdowne to St clair. The St Clair line which did connect eventually with the Landsdowne line, Danforth,Bloor west,and The Gerard line. The Gerard line eventually conected into the Danforth line.The lines brokje down as follows. The St Clair line ran along St Clair Avenue from Yonge street to the Northewrn division of the Grand Trunk Railway 3.10 miles. The Gerard line and Coxwell Avenue line ran from Greenwood avenue to Main street,then north on Main to Danforth ave 2.14 miles . The Danforth line ran from Greenwood Ave to the east city limits 2.10. These were all operational by 1916.

Two additiinal lines were started in 1915 finished by 1917. A line along Bloor Street West was built from Dundas street,where a conection was made with the Toronto railway company line on their Dundas to Quebec street route 0.745 mile. The final line was built on Landsdowne from St Clair to the CPR tracks at Royce avenue a line of 0.615 miles. this completed the Civic's lines several other lines were proposed but stopped in 1920 as the merger of all the Toronto street railway comapnies to form the now TTC was under way at that point.


Four proposed but never built civic lines were as follows. Bathhurst street, from the St Clair line to Davenport road then along Davenport to Dupont street this would have been a 1.14 mile run. The Rosedale loop from South Drive to South Drive , via Glen Road,Summerhill Ave,Macclennon Ave,schofield ave then back onto Glen to complete the loop. This would have been a 1.45 mile circle. A further line was proposed to run east from St Clair and Yonge and run north onto Mount Pleasant road no further specs wer given on that as it never made it off the paper stage.

All of their cars were paye cars as built but were later converted to pay as you pass. All the cars were of wood construction from various manufacturers save for the final car orders for single truck Birney's ( only ones built for Toronto ). All of the civics cars were double ended as well as no loops were ever provided for turning the cars, all the lines operated out and back only the Bloor line was double tracked. I'll follow later today with a complete list of cars and manufacturers etc.


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Hello Time for another update[^]

THE CLASSIC INDEX VER 8


CLASSIC JUICE

#1 The London and Port Stanley RY L&PS pg# 116
#2 The Niagara St Catharines & Toronto RY NS&T pg# 123
#3 The Montreal and Southern Counties MS&C pg# 131
#4 The Brantford & Hamilton RY B&H pg# 134
#5 The Berlin and Waterloo Street Railway B&WSR pg# 142
#6 The Nearside Car pg# 146
#7 The Peter Witt Story pg# 148
#8 The PCC Car pg# 157
#9 The Nippissing Central N&C RY pg# 140
#10 The Safety Car pg# 162
#11 CNR Electric Lines pg# 163
#12 The Toronto Civic Railway TCR pg# 180
#13 The TCR Cars pg # 180
#14 The Toronto Suburban Railway TSR pg# 211
#15 Canadian Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders pg# 212
#16 US Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders ( that built for Canada ) pg# 217
#17 The Grand River Railway GRR pg# 223
#18 The Lake Erie and Northern Railway LE&N pg# 224
#19 The British Columbia Electric Railway BCER pg# 225
#20 Incline Railways of Hamilton pg# 242
#21 Pre History of the TTC pt1 pg#248
#22 Pre History of the TTC pt2 pg#249
#23 Pre History of the TTC pt3 pg#250
#24 Cataract Lines Pt 1 pg#294
#25 Cataract Lines Pt 2 pg#294
#26 Great Gorge Route pg#295
#27 WP Electric Lines pg#314
#28 Brantford Street Railway pg#346 *new
#29 The Hamilton Street Railway pg#359 *new
#30 The Cornwall Street Railway pg#360 *new





CLASSIC STEAM


#1 Huntsville Sub pg# 159
#2 Alliston Sub pg# 163
#3 Strathroy sub pg# 165
#4 Niagara Falls Passenger Trains pg# 170
#5 Passenger Trains on Brampton & Thorndale Subs pg # 170
#6 The " Roustabout " pg# 176
#7 Passenger trains to Palmerston pg# 182
#8 Southern On railmap pg# 183
#9 Speacial Frieghts on The Niagara Frontier pg# 191
#10 Speacial Freights on The Niagara Frontier Pt 2 pg# 191
#11 Passenger Train Profiles PT 1 pg# 198
#12 Passenger Train Profiles PT 2 pg# 198
#13 The Formation of The CNR pg# 218
#14 The CSR's ST Clair Branch pg# 226
#15 History of CNR Passenger Service pg# 250
#16 Southern RY Steam Program pg# 276
#17 The Stratford & Huron RY pg# 279
#18 The Toronto Grey & Bruce RY pg# 281
#19 The Booze Line pg#289
#20 The BBG RY pg#290
#21 Huntsville and Lake of Bays RY pg#295
#22 Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound RY pg#309
#23 The AER pg#310
#24 The Central Ontario RY pg#326
#25 Tne TH&B's Berkshires pg#358 *new
#26 NKP Passenger Service pg#358 *new
#27 The Thousand Island Railway pg#360 *new
#28 The "Drowned" Railway pg#360 *new






CLASSIC CANADIAN ADS

#1 TH&B Doodlebug Ad for EMC pg# 153
#2 National Geographic Ad for CNR Circa 1929 pg# 209
#3 CNR Hotels Ad Circa 1932 pg# 209
#4 The Empire Express pg# 251
#5 CN Super Continental Ad pg# 270
#6 CNR / GTR 1941 System Ad pg# 270
#7 CNR Spans the world Ad pg#311



CLASSIC DIESEL BARN

#1 Southern Pacific Roster pg#254
#2 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 1pg # 254
#3 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 2pg # 256
#4 NA Diesel Manufacturer's Pt 3pg # 259
#5 Northern Pacific in 1960 pg # 260
#6 BC Rail Tumbler Division pg # 262
#7 BC Rail Locomotive Roster c1993 pg # 262
#8 The CF7 Story pg # 263
#9 Seaboard Railroad Freight Ops pg # 268
#10 HBRY Port of Churchill pg# 278
#11 D&RGW Locomotive Roster pg# 282
#12 ICG GEEP Rebuilding pg# 283
#13 C&NW GEEP Rebuilding pg# 283
#14 Precision National ( locomotive rebuildres PT 1 ) pg# 284
#15 Locomotive Rebuilders Pt 2 pg#284
#16 Locomotive rebuilders Pt 3 pg#286
#17 Locomotive Rebuilders Pt 4 pg#288
#18 Locomotive Conversions Pt 1 pg#311
#19 Locomotive Conversions Pt 2 pg#313
#20 CB&Q E5's pg#321
#21 Alco RS2 rebuilds pg#323
#22 The Zephers builders history pg#326
#23 Locomotive Conversions Pt 3 "robots" pg#331
#24 D&H Passenger service pg#332
#25 B&O Passenger E's pg#339 *new
#26 The Lagan Sub speacial rules chart pg#349*new
#27 MEC Mail trains pg# 353 *new


WEIRD TALES FROM THE BARN * new feature

#1The Trolley and Teddy Roosevelt pg#354 *new
#2 Weird Trolley Cars Pt 1 pg#354 [red[*new
#3 ASRA Rules excerpt pg#355 *new
#4 MTC Mishaps Pt 1 pg#358 *new[/red]

[Anonymous]

Good morning guys, and as promised, here are my pix of the Valley View Model Railroad, which I took yesterday.

Here is the actual building that houses the model RR


Here it is as a model which is downstairs


Here is the property as it resides on the actual layout


Here is your engineer and creator of the RR, Ted Voss


Here’s the CTC, though there is no computer controlling the layout. There are 42 separate blocks.


This station controls a very smart turntable, and more!


Let’s get a look at that particular part of the layout

[Anonymous]

Here are some extended views from all around the layout

[Anonymous]

Ted’s version of Crystal Lake

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom.

Don't know why I get up so early on my one day off guess old habits die hard.

Doug really enjoyed the C&NW layout pictures picked out at least three eras oif their passenger service. The old heavyweight 400 the new diesel powered 400 train and then the Bi-level era.
Your friend ted certainly has been a very busy person putting all that together did he give you any time frame?

The pictures were great nice way to start off sunday.

TTFN Al

[Anonymous]

Good morning again Tom and all, and especially Al, who's apparantly and early bird like myself. I believe that Ted Voss has been working on this layout for the past 25 years. He's a member of a layout building club, that doesn't even have a name. It's a group of of couple of guys who go back and forth to each others layouts, and work on 'em together. Kinda sounds like the group we've amassed here! Glad you're finding items of interest in these photos.

Let’s get a closer look at this building, inside and out








The turntable and roundhouse

[Anonymous]

Circus cars

[siberianmo]

SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


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Daily Wisdom


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Info for the Day:


Railroads from Yesteryear –
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* Weekly Calendar:


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Wednesday: Toy ‘ Model Trains Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak Nite!
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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

NOW SHOWING:

. . . Sunday, June 25th thru July 1st: Blazing Saddles (1974) starring: Gene Wilder, Cleavon Little & Slim Pickins – and – Fierce Creatures (1997) starring: John Cleese, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kevin Kline & Michael Palin. SHORT: Ants in the Pantry (1936).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, July 2nd thru 8th: 1776 (1972): starring: William Daniels & Howard Da Silva – and – The Patriot (2000) starring: Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger & Joely Richardson. SHORT: Movie Maniacs (1936).



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 00:29:59 (361) Saturday’s Info & 18-Post Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 06:01:56 (361) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(3) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 06:35:34 (361) Comments ‘n ENCORE: Great Strike of 1877, pt I, ‘n long joke!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 07:06:44 (361) ENCORE: Fallen Flag Seaboard Air Line (SAL)

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 09:04:18 (361) Left Coast comments ‘n streamlined SAL sleeping cars

(6) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 09:30:39 (361) Bearman’s Inclusive Gulf Coast Report!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 10:11:09 (362) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 10:25:48 (362) ENCORE: Nostalgia #8 – Great Northern (GN)

(9) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 11:23:29 (362) GN streamlined dining & lounge cars

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 13:11:30 (362) ENCORE: Nostalgia #10 – Union Pacific (UP)

(11) West Coast S Dave Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 14:40:24 (362) Comments ‘n ENCORE: Special Duty Series arrives on the SP!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 15:50:50 (362) Acknowledgment & ENCORE! Pix

(13) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 16:15:28 (362) PM visit ‘n chat!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 17:13:10 (362) Comments ‘n Rendezvous info

(15) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 17:30:24 (362) UP & CP streamlined dome cars, etc.

(16) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 17:40:24 (362) Comments ‘n ENCORE: Great Strike of 1877, pt II ‘n Joke!

(17) West Coast S Dave Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 18:17:07 (362) Comments

(18) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 19:08:00 (362) Comments ‘n ENCORE: Great Strike of 1877, pt III ‘n Joke!

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 19:20:50 (362) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments ‘n ENCORE! :Pix

(20) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 20:58:32 (362) Comments ‘n ENCORE: Great Strike of 1877, pt IV ‘n Joke

(21) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 21:11:14 (362) Inclusive Post ‘n Comments

(22) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 21:19:00 (362) ENCORE: Classic Juice #14 – Toronto Suburban Railway

(23) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 21:29:45 (362) ENCORE: Classic Juice #12 – Toronto Civic Railways

(24) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Jun 2006, 21:50:24 (362) Classic Index, ver 8




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s –
We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!


NOW PLAYING at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!

. . . Sunday, June 25th thru July 1st: Blazing Saddles (1973) starring: Gene Wilder, Cleavon Little & Slim Pickins – and – Fierce Creatures (1997) starring: John Cleese, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kevin Kline & Michael Palin. [teal] Ants in the Pantry (1936).


Blazing Saddles (1973)

QUOTE: PLOT SUMMARY: The Ultimate Western Spoof. A town where everyone seems to be named Johnson is in the way of the railroad. In order to grab their land, Hedley Lemar, a politically connected nasty person, sends in his henchmen to make the town unlivable. After the sheriff is killed, the town demands a new sheriff from the Governor. Hedley convinces him to send the town the first Black sheriff in the west. Bart is a sophisticated urbanite who will have some difficulty winning over the townspeople.

from: www.imdb.com



Fierce Creatures (1997)

QUOTE: PLOT SUMMARY: A massive corporate conglomerate, Octopus Inc., run by a shrewd and cruel tycoon named Rod McCain, purchases a UK-based leisure company, and also the failing London Marwood Zoo. To bring more business to the zoo, Octopus hires a new manager, Rollo Lee, who promptly comes up with a way to increase profits-do away with all the animals except for the ferocious ones. This new Fierce Creatures Policy shocks the Marwood zookeepers, led by the unendingly talkative Adrian "Bugsy" Malone. Eventually, Rod McCain's son Vince, along with the up-and-coming business executive Willa Weston, take control of the zoo and revoke the Fierce Creatures Policy. Vince instead comes up with many under-handed and vicious schemes to attract customers-unauthorized celebrity endorsements, shoddy, overpriced zoo merchandise, and using robotic animals instead of real ones. However, Vince is also stealing from the zoo's funds, and when his father finds out, he rears to turn the zoo into a Japanese-owned golf course. Meanwhile, Willa has grown to love the zoo and its animals, and, along with her newly-reformed love interest Rollo, plot with the zookeepers to save the zoo from the McCains.

from: www.imdb.com



Three Stooges Short Subject: Ants in the Pantry (1936)

QUOTE: PLOT SUMMARY: Featuring Moe, Larry and Curly
Herman Mouser, the owner of the Lightning Exterminating Co. is behind on his bills, and is about to fire his three employees, the Stooges. The boys beg for one last chance, and Mouser sends the Stooges out with instructions of, "If they don't have ants, you GIVE them ants". The boys get the point, and sneak into a swanky party and bug the house with insects, reptiles and mice. The Stooges then appear at the door, and the butler, thinking that heaven has sent him a miracle dresses the Stooges as partygoers and sends them in. They manage to sabotage the party when Curly puts a bag of cats into the piano, and Larry is thrown inside to retrieve them. When the host of the party feels like she is ruined, one of her guests rescues her by saying that the "entertainers" were the hit of the party, and suggests they come along on the foxhunt. Curly encounters and brings in what he thinks is his fox: a skunk.

from: www.threestooges.net



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[Anonymous]

Wow! What a "knock-out" model railroad Mr. Voss and friends have created, superb! Doug, thanks for sharing these excellent pix with all of us. MEMBERS: I'm sure this "heads up" isn't neccessary but remember to scroll left and right, up and down to see all parameters of the pix. Otherwise, you will miss half of the details pictured. Tom, The Alaska R.R. livery just seems "made" for modern Diesels. I'll drop this in the letter slot for now. Thanks again gents.

[Anonymous]

Good morning again gents, and thanks for your comments Ted. I've got another batch or two ...or maybe three to share with ya'll today. I've been working on some stuff to share during the week as well, but soon I must get myself busy around here. I've got some box moving/ move-in related work so we can better enjoy this place. Here's another humble offering of pix:

Let’s see what the people are doing
















Hey …is that Rob on the trolley?

[Anonymous]

Looks like we've got some great movies at the Mentor Emporium this week ... thanks Tom! Blazing Saddles is one of my favorites! Who can forget Gabby Hayes' famous geniune western gibberish line, "The Sheriffs' a (Bong) ...which is misinterpretted as "The Sheriffs' near"? Or the sweet little old lady who apologizes to the sheriff, by saying, "Sorry about the up yours .... here's an apple pie I baked. I hope you will have the good sensibility not to tell anyone I came by". (or something close to that)> Never saw the John Cleese and Jamie Curtis flick, but enjoyed them in "A Fish Called Wanda". The Stooges film sounds top-rate!

And now ... batch seven in todays' pix series!

A little bit of car trouble, and lots of help




The Chicago police are looking for someone


I found him!


Whoops, a car gets pulled from the river


This was a really nifty trick. Streets ended into a mirror, giving an extended appearance

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s –
We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

G’day!

Well, it’s the barndad Doug show! once again! The undisputed “King” of the Sunday Photo Posting Days! [bow] [tup] [bow] [tup] [bow] [tup] [bow] [tup]

Great spate of Pix from that wonderful model railroad! The creator of that magnificent layout surely is a talented guy! [tup] Enjoyed them all . . . . THANX!


Continuing on for the past two Sundays with two more sets of Pix from our recently concluded Alaska Rail Adventure!
See Page 351-352 and 357 for others.


Click to enlarge


(1) Fairbanks main “drag”




(2) Vito the Hit’s Fairbank’s Annex! [swg]




(3) Bridge across Chena River, Fairbanks - Immaculate Conception RC Church




(4) Fairbanks mile marker




(5) Chena River , Fairbanks




(6) Sculpture: The First Unknown Family - Fairbanks, Golden Heart Park




(7) Alaska RR Fairbanks Depot




(8) Tanana Model RR Club (HO) - Fairbanks Depot




(9) Tanana Model RR Club (HO) - Fairbanks Depot




(10) Tanana Model RR Club (HO) - Fairbanks Depot




(11) Bridge at Hurricane Gulch - Fairbanks Depot




(12) ARR Denali Star at Fairbanks




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REMINDER!
Sunday Photo Posting Day! is a “sunrise to sunset” event!

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang.

Enjoyed the Fairbanks photos from the looks of things the place hasn't changed much since my last visit in 1989. Did see a building or two I did not recognise but most hasn't changed at all. Try taking the same pictures in December when daylight hours are at their shortest. And the snow is knee deep to a tall Eskimo.

Anchorage on the other hand is a far more thriving community.

TTFN Al

[EricX2000]

Good afternoon, Gentlemen! Glad I could make it a little bit earlier than normal today. The weather is on the warm side with some dust storms. A lot of posts with a lot of interesting reading last week. Spent a few hours reading them last night. No one was in so I saved my comments until today.

Cm3 - Interesting reading about traveling by railroad (Nickel Plate) during the war, or more exactly 1943, the year I was born. Nickel Plate is probably the railroad I know the least about among the more well known ones.

Tom - The 83 years history of NKP and now a part of Norfolk Southern. Too bad it wasn’t allowed to operate as an indenpendent railroad. Vanderbilt certainly did his best to hold it back. I’m impressed they could build 531 miles of railroad in 500 days! Thanks for the information about the first railroad in Canada, 170 years ago! Interesting story about British Rail. The privatisation of the railroads did not turn out as expected and I don’t think we have seen the end of that chapter yet. Very interesting though and I know that several other countries are following the development in England closely. Great Northern has a very interesting history and so do (of course) Union Pacific. UP and BNSF are the two railroads in Phoenix today. I am going up to the high country next Saturday to have a closer look at BNSF. Nice pictures of CP FP7A and FP9A, thanks! And more beautiful pictures from Alaska. If it wasn’t for the winter season I would love to live up there.

BK - Are those Nickel Plates time tables part of your collection? Maybe you have the same habit as I do, never throw things away. You never know when you are going to need them. Fleischmann model trains. When I grove up in the old country there was basically only Fleischmann and Märklin to choose from. I picked Märklin because Fleischmann’s models at that time (mid 50’s) was not to the correct HO-scale, 1:87, but more like 1:76 (I don’t remember the exact number). Beautiful models though. Thanks for the pictures!

Rob - I’ll try to get a picture of the Swedish Bikini Team for you! But I have never seen them on a timetable. After reading your post about NKP’s passenger service it seems like NKP never was a major passenger service railroad. Like they always were one step behind. Correct me if I am wrong. Interesting though. Classic Juice #29 Hamilton Street Railway and #30 The Cornwall Street Railway are kind of sad stories to read. Too many street car systems have been replaced by buses in too many cities around the world. As a former street car conductor I feel strongly about street cars. We will get light rail in Phoenix in 2008! Great stories on the Thousand Islands Railway and the Drowned Railway. I think it is very common among railroads world wide to tear down old buildings when they don’t use them any more. In this particular case it did end well when VIA took over the passenger service.

Al - I was looking for your post! So many posts about NKP and when I read that they bought some streamlined cars I thought that there must be one from you. And I found more than one! Do you know if there are any pictures available of those NKP rebuilt cars? B&O had many more streamliners than NKP. I found one familiar name on one of those cars, John Ericsson. His brother, Nils Ericson, was leading the design and construction of the Swedish state owned railway system in mid 1850’s. Great Northern had a streamliner called GOING-TO-THE-SUN-MOUNTAIN. Is there really a mountain with such a name and if so, where? After reading about UP I understand that you must have spent half your life finding all those facts, Al! Thank you for all the information (and time)!

Mike - Thanks for all URL/pictures. Perfect addition to all the information about NKP.

Doug - NKP Safety Rules, interesting reading. I found General Notice B kind of hanging in the air. “The Railroad does not expect its employees to take any risks, when they can protect themselves by using care and good judgment.” Did NKP expect the employees to take risks when they couldn’t protect themselves by using care and good judgment? Model trains as a hobby is also something I like. The problem is space for a layout. All my models are packed in boxes since many years but hopefully I will be able to do something about it after my retirement next year. Thanks for the story about the Model Builder! Interesting information about the railroad telegraph and communication development. In the mid 80’s I was sent to Ascom (Communication System manufacturer) in Switzerland for four months when the state owned railroads in Sweden and Norway ordered a new track-to-train communication system. I thought that was a very advanced system, but today there are much more advanced systems around. Interesting story about The Great Strike of 1877. I have heard about it but did not know any details. Now I know. Glad I wasn’t there when it happened.
Valley View Model Railroad, a very nice model RR indeed. To say that I am impressed is not enough. More like extremly impressed. The RR seems to have all kinds of train movements (and street cars). When I saw your pictures of the Circus cars I remembered I have som pictures from World Circus Museum in Baraboo, WI, when they are loading those cars. I have to find them. Very nice pictures Doug, thank you!

Ted - I agree, I have read everything about NKP posted at least twice. I read the Safety Rules three times. Interesting to compare with the rules I had to memoraize and follow. I am afraid I don’t have that much to report from the old country today. But I am going there late August, early September this year and should have some new pictures to show when I get back.

Lars - Glad to see that things are coming to a solution. DCC certainly sounds like something about Direct Current. But DCC is kind of a gray area for me. Never checked it out.

Dave - Very interesting story about SP and their SD 7-9. I have special feelings about SP for a number of reasons, one is that SP is the only American railroad (except Amtrak) that offered me a job many (12) years ago. Phoenix is old SP territory.

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Photo Sunday! I thought I should show some pictures of a very Classic steam locomotive. In fact one of the most well known steam locomotives in the world, Big Boy. Sorry I can’t show any old pictures of this locomotive in action but i have some pictures I took last year at
Southern California Chapter
Railway and Locomotive Historical Society
Los Angeles County Fairplex, Pomona California
Their Big Boy #4014 is in pretty good shape and well worth a visit.

It certainly is a BIG engine!




The front.




The rear.




68” drivers.




Hmm, which one did you say?




The engineer’s side.




A large grate area (150 sq. ft.)




Eric

[Anonymous]

Good evening one and all. Wonderful trip pictures Tom! I had no idea that Vito the Hit had expanded business beyond the Mentor layout. Thanks for your words, and those from Eric as well. I surely enjoyed the Big Boy pix. That's one of the engines we don't have at IRM, but I believe our AT&SF 2903 is actually bigger, if you can believe that. Visit my site at Rail Images (hot link is at the bottmo of all my messages) for complete inside and outside pix.

I got most of what I planned to do, done today. I did clean out the breezeway between the garage and kitchen, and did get paint for it. We went food shopping and picked up some tomato plants, which are now planted It'll only take about 15 minutes to clear the rubble from the dining room, so I guess I should be happy! Here are moe Valley View Model RR pix:

[Anonymous]

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s –
We do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

G'day!

Since we are CLOSED, I'll just touch on a couple of items . . . more narrative from me on Monday!

And the barndad Doug Show! continues! [tup] [tup] [tup] Thinking out loud - it would be a wonderful thing to get the fellow who put all of this together to consider a "private showing" for our Rendezvous trip up to the IRM . . . . again, thinking out loud! Respond by Email if you wish! [tup] Great stuff today, Doug simply fantastic!

Also, a treat to see EricX2000 Eric with his "Big Boy" contributions . . . that and the fine Inclusive Post . . . just goes to show that it's quality over quantity every time, eh [?] [tup] [tup] [tup]


Continuing with some more Pix from our Alaska Rail Adventure!


Click to enlarge


(13) ARR Denali Star southbound at Fairbanks
EMD SD70MACs #4324 & 4322




(14) ARR Denali Star car #651 southbound at Fairbanks




(15) ARR Denali Star loco #4324 southbound at Fairbanks




(16) AAR Fairbanks Depot




(17) AAR Denali Star diner #323 Yellowstone Park at Fairbanks




(18) AAR Denali Star upper level interior car #651 at Fairbanks




(19) AAR Denali Star final boarding at Fairbanks for southbound trip




(20) AAR Denali Star en route Anchorage – view from our seats




(21) AAR Denali Star en route Anchorage – track scenes at Fairbanks




(22) ARR Denali Star en route Anchorage – track scenes at Fairbanks




(23) ARR Denali Star en route Anchorage – track scenes at Fairbanks




(24) ARR Denali Star en route Anchorage – track scenes at Fairbanks



That’s IT for this fine day . . . . a total of 72 Pix over the past three Sundays . . . more next Sunday Photo Posting Day!


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Enjoy![tup]


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REMINDER!
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[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang.

Eric you asked a question about Going-To-The-Sun Mountain Yes its actually exists in Glacier National Park and their is also a lodge in the park by the same name.

As to those pictures of the rebuilt NKP cars. Yes I would imagine they are available from the Nickel Plate Historical Society. I have a book in my collection that shows pictures of these cars that has been out of print for years.

TTFN Al

[trolleyboy]

Good evening gents. I'm just popping in quickly to drop a few photo's off through the mail slots. Then we are dashing out again for a bit so I'll check out the rest of the days photo's later this evening.

As promissed here's the land based shots from that marvellous little airshow Heather and I stumbled upon on father's day weekend. All classic warbirds on a grass strip, just like they were made for. Enjoy Rob



B17 Bomber painted as the Memphis Belle. This was the plane from the movie made a while back.



P51 Mustang





Two shots of the Spitfire taxing out for another loop of the field



Mk 12 Hawker Hurricane (truly a rare beast ) this one was built by Victory Aircraft at Malton Ontario ( now Pearson airport ) This plane flew in Burma with RCAF 242 sqd, and had 50 combat sorties under it's belt., and 15 kills between two different pilots.



BF109E model, one of only two fliable examples left in the world.



Dauntless dive bomber also one of only two fliable examples left.



CWH museum's Beechcraft wrieless operator and airgunner training aircraft.



Lincoln and Welland Reg musuems M113 APC it and a bren gun carrier were also on display at the airshow. A good thing too as the Memphis Belle got one of it's mainwheels caught in a rut and the M113 helped pull her out.

[siberianmo]

”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s


Ever wonder about those fine pix that have been Posted during past Sunday Photo Posting Days! [?] The guys who took the time and made the effort to provide one and all with some enjoyable Pix deserve to have their work preserved. So, here’s something you may want to “bookmark” for future use: [tup]

UNFORTUNATELY some of the Pix have disappeared, especially those stored with PhotoBucket. [tdn]


INDEX:
January – June 2006 Sunday Photo Posting Days!

Begins on: . . . . . click on the URL

(1) Page 214, 08 Jan 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=214&TOPIC_ID=35270

(2) Page 220, 15 Jan 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=220&TOPIC_ID=35270

(3) Page 227, 22 Jan 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=227&TOPIC_ID=35270

(4) Page 232, 29 Jan 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=232&TOPIC_ID=35270

(5) Page 238, 05 Feb 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=238&TOPIC_ID=35270

(6) Page 244, 12 Feb 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=244&TOPIC_ID=35270

(7) Page 251, 19 Feb 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=251&TOPIC_ID=35270

(8) Page 257, 26 Feb 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=257&TOPIC_ID=35270

(9) Page 264, 05 Mar 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=264&TOPIC_ID=35270

(10) Page 273, 12 Mar 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=273&TOPIC_ID=35270

(11) Page 280, 19 Mar 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=280&TOPIC_ID=35270

(12) Page 285, 26 Mar 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=285&TOPIC_ID=35270

(13) Page 291, 02 Apr 2006
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=291&TOPIC_ID=35270

(14) Page 297, 09 Apr 2006
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With my compliments![tup]

See y'all on Monday . . .


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[wanswheel]

Penmanship
http://memory.loc.gov/mss/mal/mal3/435/4356500/001.gif

Gettysburgh
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cwpb/00800/00831r.jpg

Gettysburgh 1913
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/13800/13848r.jpg

White Pass & Yukon
http://content.lib.washington.edu/hegg/image/718390312002_196.jpg

Penn Station
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/02300/02323r.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/02300/02324r.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/02300/02325r.jpg

The Champion
http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/reference/rc11957.jpg
http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/general/n038718.jpg

Henry M. Flagler
http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/prints/pr09204.jpg
http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/reference/rc09823.jpg

Empire Builder
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN12576.jpg
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN12562.jpg
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN12558.jpg
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN12571.jpg
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN12570.jpg
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN12664.jpg
http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvn-jpgs/RVN12654.jpg
Mike

[passengerfan]

Good afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang.

Nice seeing the URLs from Mike.

It really has been a super photo sunday.

TTFN Al