"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Oh boy, are we in for it today – temps expected to near 100 (F), high humidity and the “heat index” says we’re gonna fry! [tdn] <groan> Not what Juneau the Wonder Husky and I want for this time of year. Things are rather dry too, and we’re seeing signs of stress showing up amongst the trees – some have started dropping leaves! Very unusual for these parts . . .

A fine outpouring yesterday, most for the THEME: NKP, where we had a total of 21 Posts (6 were mine). A very successful Tuesday and many THANX to all, but especially Rob with 5 Posts and Al with 3! [tup] [tup] [tup]

Just a wee bit surprised at only 2 comments regarding “that caption” on one of my Pix from this past Sunday! [banghead]


[wow] Did my Cardinals get their butts “whooped” last night in ChiTown or what [?] The White Sox did a number on ‘em – 20 to 6 – that’s twenty for them and six for my team. It was over way before it was over! (Nope – not a Yogi-ism! but it could be! [swg])

More from the sports scene – looks like another indoor sport is over for this season as the NBA crowned it’s new champion – the Miami Heat (an appropriate name!) as they beat the Mavericks from Dallas to take 4 games out of 6. I guess buying the “Shaq man” was a good deal, eh [?] Congrats to them and all who follow ‘em . . . [tup]

So, now can we finally settle into baseball, huh, huh, huh [?] [swg]


Now to the acknowledgments!

Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 20:40:26 & 21 Jun 2006, 06:58:50

Late arrival, early arrival – the important thing are the arrivals! [tup] Always a pleasure to have you aboard to enjoy your commentaries! [tup]

Nickel Plate created a bit of interest ‘round the joint we haven’t seen in some time. Don’t know about an all-time turnout of Posts, but it surely ranks right up there with the “big roads!” Glad you found the material of interest – that IS the point, eh [?]

Your comments regarding recruitment brings to mind that we all should be trying to at least get one new guy aboard, otherwise we continue the downward spiral in terms of active participation.


For anyone who frequents other Threads: Why not invite a person who you feel may be interested in the way we do things ‘round the bar [?] Check the profile, etc. and extend the invitation!


Back to Ted – is that Petrol price for real [?] $1.83 sounds like I should drive down your way with some gas cans! [swg]


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 22:34:40 & 21 Jun 2006, 00:04:30

Looks like we’ve awoken you from a slumber (of sorts) as your “fan base” missed you – Elmer! [swg]

Great to see the outpouring of “stuff” and as always, very much on target and helpful to “the cause!” <grin>

Somehow I don’t envision you and your bride as “big band” kinds of folks. Nevertheless, some probably don’t see you as a “trolley jolly” either! [swg]

THANX again for coming through in flying colors! [tup]


passengerfan Al
Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 22:51:27

You certainly came back with vigor and provided some excellent material for our THEME: NKP!! Much appreciated and also THANX for helping to keep “my other Thread” up on the Forum page. Now if we could only get Art to come over here . . . .


barndad Doug
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 05:53:45 & 06:57:39

Tweeeeeeeeeeet! Tweeeeeeeeeeeet! Rules violation – Rules violation! Rule #27 using a joke that was previously used by the Proprietor! That joke appeared in the Comedy Corner on Page 351 of the Saturday, June 10th SUMMARY!

A trip to the Rat’s Patoot Room matey where you and Awk can practice his dive bombing exercises! [swg]

Very nice work with today’s Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! articles! [tup] [tup] [tup] Let’s me off the hook, as I’m not sure that I’ll provide anything today . . .

Now THAT’s the way to have a horseshoe game – although I’d think only one of the guys would have the large shoes! What’s the point if they both do [?] [swg]


Much appreciation to all who bought drinks and “fed” our Coal Scuttle! who in turn “feeds’ Herr Wurlitzer! [swg]


That’s it for now. I’ll be behind the bar for the day! So, whatillyahave [?]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled (but WHERE are they assembled is the question?),

Still morning here in the mountains, so perhaps a late breakfast will do for my lady and I. Let us go with #4 from the Menu Board, coffee for me, tea for Lydia and we will stroll over to the Mentor Bakery case in a moment or two . . . .

Very impressive turnout yesterday, with only one blemi***hat I detected along the way. Too bad, but I support the way you run this place and appreciate your having the forthrightness to stick to your position. [tup] The “Three Horsemen” need to ride again!

No point in my rehashing all of the accolades posted by the gang, let me simply offer my “Well Done” to all who contributed in the spirit of the bar with respect to the Proprietor and banter abounding! [tup]

Today is the newly anointed “Toy and Model Trains Day” a change from the “Pike Perspectives Day.” Either way, I will attempt to provide something from my “vast” archives in the form of an ENCORE as it seems my “research department” was remiss in HER duties on this one! [swg]

Here is something from the 19th of April, page 309:

QUOTE:

Fleischmann 4117 - Tender Loco Class 17



Fleischmann 4318 - Electric Loco Class E19.1



Fleischmann 4324 - Electric Loco Class 146



Fleischmann 4337 - Electric Loco Class Ae 3/6



Fleischmann 4903 - Passenger Train of the K.P. u. G.H. St. E.



4913 Passenger Train "90 Years of MITROPA" of the P. St. E. V.



I do not take credit for retrieving these photos. My computer literate “roomie” does so well at this![swg]

Hope to see you tomorrow!


BK in Alberta, Canada’s beautiful high mountain country!

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #88


Here’s something NEW to enjoy regarding the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) from a 1948 advertisement in my personal collection.




WASHINGTON
is the place to go –

The B&O is the Way to Go!

The perfect combination to give you a holiday you’ll remember the rest of your life! . . .

Washington – where the historic blends with headline making, where there’s a thrill at every turn!

The Baltimore & Ohio - - - that offers you the gliding ride of Diesel-Electric power, the comfort of luxurious streamliners, and those famous B&O extras; superb food, old-fashioned courtesy, on-time dependability.

Take the B&O - - - the only railroad between the East and West passing directly through Washington. Liberal stopover.


FREE! Washington Pictorial Magazine


BALTIMORE & OHIO
Mail coupon now!



Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Well, we surely seem to be mired in "one of those daze" 'round the "Hit 'n Miss & Feast or Famine" bar 'n grill. [sigh]

Over on "my other Thread" there's some interesting "stuff" - and has been. Check this out for those who appreciate this kinda "stuff" . . .

IT #203 (courtesy: donsdepot.donrossgroup.net -
foto credit: unknown)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Appreciate your taking the time to stop in, BK and the ENCORE! for our revamped Train 'n Model Trains Day! fit in quite well - especially given that we've had NO CUSTOMERS this afternoon! [sigh] Why waste new material on such a slow day [?] By the by, I'd be a bit careful about laying that kind of "trip" on your roomie! Retaliation comes in all forms . . . [swg]

No need to make further mention of the situation from yesterday, although your endorsement and those from others by Email means a lot. It's over, RIP.

Spent most of my 'puter time today organizing PIx for Sunday Photo Posting Day! along with trying to get a "leg up" on the routine matters 'round this place.

We ran a "theme" on the Illinois Terminal RR over on "my other Thread," that has brought out some interesting Pix - Rob are you "listening" [?] We're talking "traction" . . . [swg]

Fortunately we didn't hit the century mark 'round these parts today, but it is indeed a hot, hot, hot day - in fact we're delaying our evening trek with Juneau the Wonder Husky for a couple of hours, just to ensure that he doesn't overheat (me too!). <groan> The "predictors" say we're going to get some rain associated with a front coming through tomorrow afternoon - but consider the source(s). These are the guys who get paid for being correct perhaps 50 percent of the time. Where do I sign up for a job like that [?] <grin>

Okay - I'm talking to myself again . . .

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man has the bar at 9 PM (Central)!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good evening all you "night owls."[(-D] Thought I would try to improve on my earlier post which was brief, to say the least.[:O] Tom, I would like a Benedictine and Brandy to ease the bloat from the gluttonous portion of Shrimp Scampi I endulged in tonight. Oh yes, that should have been $2.83 @ gallon for sure! As I didn't have time to address the "Toy and Model Trains" topic earlier, I would like to menton a URL that may be of interest to the more esoteric side of the hobbyist: www.brasstrains.com. This site lists and illustrates new, unique and out of production HO brass steam, diesel, freight, passenger cars plus traction and subway trains. Pictures, prices, descriptions and availabilty are given for each model shown as well. Some are used and have anything from superb professional paint to mediocre or inaccurate liveries. It could be of real interest or merely a "dream site" for our folks. The next item I would like to present as a question. Are there any other clientele besides me that is putzing around with D.C.C.? I don't want to get smack in the middle of something that is rather technical; risking boring everyone to death.[V] I'll take no future response to mean it is a "dead issue" and no offence taken at all. D.C.C. is expensive and can be tedious to boot even though train control is absolutely superior in nearly all respects.[tup] Doug, the Lionel publication "The Model Builder" coverage did it maybe more justice than it desrved. Still, as a supplement on 3 rail A.C. power, it was very helpful, especially to Son and Dad constructed Pikes. I was making a hasty exit from Lionel to HO D.C. power, so didn't avail myself to but a few issues. Hi BK, a welcome "rerun" on the Fleischmann steam and elecric trains, thanks. Another "shot in the arm" for this traction fan was the Illinois Terminal #203 combine Tom. Also, a Road of my personal choice, the B. & O. was a the "icing on the cake."[^] Oh Rats, here comes another "thunder boomer" so common this time of year. Guess, "discretion should be the better part of valo(U)r" in this case. OOPS that one was close...gotta go fellers lest I get zapped into a mutation like Boris [alien] So long for now.

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon just a small cr tonight as i'm half ways to sleepy land at the moment.[zzz] These HHH days get me all tired and worn out to be sure. Luckily we didn't get to far off of 80 today, though with 75% humidity [tdn] who needs it.

Tom Neat B&O piece sir, you didn't tell us where to get our coupons though [swg] I'll have to mosey over and read up on the Illinois terminal , too tired tonight, but I will get back there thanks for the heads up sir.

Doug Great two parter on Lionel today. They really did seem to be a for the hobbiest company at one point to bad they've degraded somewhat.I wouldn't want to even guess at what one of those horse cars would be worth today. Mind you that's the problem with museum pieces, most are so old that it's hard to peg a price. Having priceless exhibits is one reason why museum insurance is so gosh darn high. Our museum's Insurance bill is somewhere in the $50,000 a year premium mark ( USD at that as no candian compnay will insure moving museum's like ours )

BK Encore or not it was nice to see more on topic banter and material from you again today sir. the three hiorsemen will indeed ride again I'm sure.

Ted I'm glad that you enjoyed your latest traction fix. I'm guessing that you will need to mosey over to Tom's other thread to pick up on the IT info as well. That picture was a nice teaser though. I'm of two minds on DCC. It's pros do eventually outweigh the cons <price> and I've noted that price is comming down on most systems. Go with a simple easy one if you do it. The more buttons and dials the more confusion and frustration. I've operated two club and three home layouts all with different DCC systems. By and large the Digitrax run one , was the simplists and quickest one for me to pick up on. Also being that it's a US built system the prices for you on it will be substantially less than some of the others out there. Just my quick take anyhow. I know that you don't like treading out on other threads out there, but Joe Fugates recurring DCC is a good one finding out info. Mr Fugate as a MR magazine contributor puts out some very helpfull info on that thread and there is generally little of the common thread BS on that one, a somewhat safe haven anyway.


Rob

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all! I'll just have one light breakfast, as punishment for being tweeted yesterday for using a joke already posted. Sorry to hear from Ted that my little Lionel Model Builder article was too generous to the fine folks that wrote the magazine ...guess I'll find out for myself though, sice I purchased a few through E-Bay.

Rob, I have no idea what we pay for insurance at the IRM, but it has to be a bundle. My own mother-in-law took a tumble after exiting the Nebraska Zephyr, for absolutely no reason at all. We were on a dinner train for about 1 1/2 hours, riding back and forth down the 4 1/2 mile track, not even moving around very much. I got off the train first (so I was on the ground)and turned to make sure she got off the train OK, and there was a conductor doing the same from the train car. She stepped onto the step, and then onto the ground and took a few steps. I figured that the mission was accomplished, and turned to walk away, and that's when she fell! Fortunately, she was not hurt, but I was thinking how easy it was for someone to get hurt, and then be able to make an insurance claim. When you think about all the volunteers we have, working around those locos and train cars, with all sorts of equipment and power tools, it's amazing that any insurance copmany would even touch us.

Oh well. It's off to work with me, and have a great day one and all!

[Anonymous]

Hey, we are past "hump day" and that should bring a smile to everyone's demeanor. Tom please, a toasted Danish in butter after a double Ruby Red Grapaefruit juice, thanks.

Yesterday, was neat with rather sparse input but unfailing good intentions.[tup] The History International Channel ran a documentary on "Toy and Model Trains in the U.S." late yesterday evening. Of course, it was coincidental to the "Our" Place observence on Wednesday and more so because the piece covered Lionel almost exclusively. You know, It isn't a coincidence that so many "modeling" threads lapse into contentious rhetoric on "this or that" (gauge, wiring, manufacturers, period, Road name, et al.) being the best since hot buttered pop corn. Egad, I'm so grateful that sort of derision doesn't happen hereabouts.[^] As an objective observer, I'm equally "grateful" that we avoid indulging in "pile on" when minor differences occur as well. It just doesn't come to any good purpose.[tdn] As the Proprietor wisely said: "Rest in Peace."

Rob, your thoughts on the D.C.C. angle are "right on" and appreciated, we'll see. I'm afraid I'm already committed to the M.R.C. Prodigy system having programmed the Aristo Craft A.T.S.F. Gas Electric for my G gauge efforts outside. I will look into Mr. Fugate's articles presumably found on the "Modelrailroader" Site, thanks. As it is, I'm "robbing Peter to pay Paul" to hang on by my finger nails here at "Our" Place. Any additional involvment elswhere is, right now, out of the question.[V] What is worse, a real estate appraiser is scheduled to come by vey soon. I guess eveyone knows what that means.[:O] Yes, touch-up, paint-up, spruce-up and trim down 18 years of accumulated "clutter" and no place to hide!

Okay, it is "off to the races" after a cursory hedge clipping this a.m., so I bid everyone a good day until next time.

[siberianmo]

We open at 6 AM.
(All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


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Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)

[:I] I was in a department store the other day and I walked up to a young and lovely woman and said, "I've lost my wife in here somewhere. Can you talk to me a couple of minutes?"
The woman looks puzzled. "Why talk to me?", she asks.
" Because every time I talk to a woman with a body like yours, my wife appears out of nowhere." [:I]


[:I] Four surgeons were taking a coffee break and were discussing their work.
The first said, “I think accountants are the easiest to operate on. You open them up and everything inside is numbered.”
The second said, “I think librarians are the easiest to operate on. You open them up and everything inside is in alphabetical order.”
The third said, “I like to operate on electricians. You open them up and everything inside is color-coded.”
The fourth one said, “I like to operate on lawyers. They’re heartless, spineless, gutless, and their heads and their butts are interchangeable. [:I]


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 00:04:30 (359) Classic Juice #29 The Hamilton Street Railway

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 05:53:45 (359) Model Builder Journalism ‘n Joke!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 05:59:43 (359) Wednesday’s Info & 21-Post Summary

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 06:57:39 (359) Model Builder Journalism, pt II

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 06:58:50 (359) Bearman’s Inclusive Gulf Coast Report!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 08:23:50 (359) Acknowledgments & Comments

(7) BudKarr BK Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 12:09:48 (359) Mountain Report ‘n 6 Euro model trains Pix!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 14:11:52 (359) NOSTALGIA #88 – B&O Ad (1948)

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 16:17:43 (359) Traction Pix!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 19:11:59 (359) Acknowledgment ‘n Comments

(11) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:12:56 (359) Bearman’s Gulf Coast Inclusive Post, part deux!

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 22:55:20 (359) Count Robulla’s Nite Cap!



That’s it![tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and trhe rest of the gang. Time for a cup of coffee and one of those crumpets from the Mentor Village Bakery.

I didn't miss the B&O yesterday but it was one of the days where my Civic duty calls and I was in and out of the office my home and the City Hall all day long.

Here is my B&O contribution for yesterday.

BALTIMORE
&
OHIO
Streamlined Sleeping Cars
By Al

The B&O would purchase 95 streamlined sleeping cars and lease three more for a period of time. Forty-three of the 95 sleeping cars owned by the B&O were heavyweights streamlined by Pullman Calumet for operation in the pre-WW II CAPITOL LIMITED and NATIONAL LIMITED trains. Of the remaining 52 lightweight stream-lined cars the B&O purchased 14 used from other roads. The CAPITOL LIMITED was inaugurated as an All-Pullman train between Baltimore - Washington and Chicago on May 12, 1923. Even though it was shown in the timetable as a Jersey City to Chicago train only one or two cars were forwarded beyond Washington in a connecting train to and from Jersey City. The CAPITOL LIMITED became one of the first fully air conditioned trains in 1932.
On November 23, 1938 the CAPITOL LIMITED began operating as a diesel powered All-Pullman streamliner between Washington and Chicago with through sleeping cars to and from Jersey City. The heavyweight cars except for the two dining cars were remodeled and streamlined by Pullman Calumet with full width diaphragms full skirting, rounded turtle roofs, and tight lock couplers. It is believed this was one of the first installations of tight lock couplers on heavyweight cars. The new lightweight cars were almost all equipped with tight lock couplers. B&O streamlined the two Dining cars in there own Mount Clare shops. The interiors of all cars after remodeling and streamlining featured indirect lighting and brighter colors than Pullman normally used but still conservative enough for the B&O. The original heavyweight cars streamlined for the CAPITOL LIMITED follow.

Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 Seat Lounge Cars

CAPITOL GARDEN

CAPITOL HILL

14 Section Sleeping Cars

ALEXANDER BELL

JOHN ERICSSON

PARK SPUR

12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Cars

BRADSHAW

CASTLETON

GREEN BANK

GREEN SPRING

WESTFIELD

8 Section 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars

CLOVER BAY

CLOVER CREST

CLOVER HEIGHTS

CLOVER HOLLOW

CLOVER LODGE

CLOVER PARK

GARDEN BROOK

GARDEN GLEN

8 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping cars

LAUREL BRANCH

LAUREL DALE

36 Seat Dining Cars

1061 MARGARET BRENT

1062 VIRGINIA DARE

3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 22 Seat Lounge 8 Seat Sun Room Solarium Observation

CAPITOL ARMS

CAPITOL CITY

In October 1939 Pullman delivered two streamlined heavy-weight Sleeping cars for service in the CAPITOL LIMITED consists. These two cars were 8 Section 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars EMERALD BORDER and EMERALD WATERS.
Coaches were added to the CAPITOL LIMITED between August 4, 1940 and December 19, 1941 when the All Coach COLUMBIAN was inaugurated. At that time the CAPITOL LIMITED regained its All Pullman status.
Having seen the results of the streamlined CAPITOL LIMITED increase passenger loads the B&O next turned their attention to the NATIONAL LIMITED the Washington - St. Louis train with cars to and from Jersey City. Once again like the CAPITOL LIMITED the timetable showed the NATIONAL LIMITED as a Jersey City - St. Louis train. Unlike the CAPITOL LIMITED the NATIONAL LIMITED carried both Coaches and Sleeping cars. The NATIONAL LIMITED also required four sets of equipment while the CAPITOL LIMITED only needed two. Again the B&O chose new EMC E units to power the streamlined train.
The B&O Mount Clare shops streamlined 19 heavyweight cars while Pullman Calumet streamlined 23 heavyweight cars. Only three Sun Room Solarium Observations were necessary as they did not run north of Washington to Jersey City. Again most of the NATIONAL LIMITED consists would be assembled in Baltimore/Washington. Only sixteen of the Mount Clare shops heavyweight stream-lined cars were destined for service in the NATIONAL LIMITED the other three were for additional cars for the COLUMBIANS. The NATIONAL LIMITED streamlined heavyweights are listed below.

Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 Seat Lounge Cars

1302-1305

54 Revenue Seat Coaches

3550-3557

42 Seat Dining Lounge Cars

1077 - 1080

14 Section Sleeping Cars

PARK CITY

PARK FALLS

12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Cars

EAST AKRON

EAST MADISONVILLE

EAST NORWOOD

EAST SPARTA

EAST YOUNGSTOWN

UNIONVILLE

8 Section Buffet 20 Seat Lounge Cars

MERCHANTS CLUB

QUEEN CITY CLUB

8 Section Buffet 19 Seat Lounge Cars

MARYLAND CLUB

PITTSBURGH CLUB

10 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping Cars

LOCH AWE

LOCH DOON

LOCH EARN

LOCH LOMOND

8 Section 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars

EMERALD BAY

EMERALD BROOK

EMERALD FALLS

EMERALD WAVES

3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room Buffet 22 Seat Lounge 8 seat Sun Room Solarium Observations

CAPITOL ESCORT

PALM ISLANDS

PALM KEY

On January 15, 1941 The CAPITOL LIMITED received its first lightweight streamlined Sleeping cars. These were the two Pullman Pool cars CASCADE LOCKS and CASCADE BLUFFS with 10 Roomettes and 5 Double Bedrooms. The CAPITOL LIMITED operated these cars as Washington - Chicago sleepers.
On May 27, 1941 two additional CASCADE series cars began operating in the DIPLOMAT between Washington and Detroit again one of these cars per consist in the otherwise all heavyweight train. The DIPLOMAT was the premier train of the B&O between Washington and Detroit and had operated as All Pullman at one time. The two CASCADE Series cars assigned to the DIPLOMAT were CASCADE BOULDERS and CASCADE GULLY.
For whatever reason Pullman Standard opened their production line in September- October 1943 at the height of WW II long enough to deliver three new CASCADE series 10 roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars to the B&O for assignment between Washington and St. Louis in the NATIONAL LIMITED. The three CASCADE series sleeping cars were CASCADE DRIVE, CASCADE MUSIC and CASCADE SOUND. All seven of the CASCADE series sleeping cars would become B&O property in 1945 and would receive 7000 series numbers along with their names.

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April 1940 Plan: 4072B Lot: 6606 (Built for Pullman Pool transferred to B&O in 1941)
CAPITOL LIMITED
CASCADE BLUFF

CASCADE LOCKS

DIPLOMAT
CASCADE BOULDERS

CASCADE GULLY

10 ROOMETTE 5 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard September October 1943 Plan: 4072F Lot: 6679 (Built for Pullman pool assigned to NATIONAL LIMITED)

CASCADE DRIVE

CASCADE MUSIC

CASCADE SOUND

In 1945 when the seven CASCADE series cars received 7000 series numbers along with their names they appeared as follows.

7000 CASCADE
BLUFF

7001 CASCADE
BOULDERS

7002 CASCADE
GULLY

7003 CASCADE
LOCKS

7004 CASCADE
DRIVE

7005 CASCADE
MUSIC

7006 CASCADE
SOUND

Beginning in April 1946 a through Los Angeles - Washington 6 Section 6 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom VALLEY series sleeping car of the Santa Fe traveled daily east of Chicago in the CAPITOL LIMITED o and from Washington. This car traveled west of Chicago in the Santa Fe CHIEF to and from Los Angeles. This was one of the earliest through sleeping car services instituted.
Between April and June 1948 the B&O received their first lightweight stream-lined sleeping cars built new for the railroad. These were eight Pullman Standard built 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom cars. Four were assigned to each consist of the CAPITOL LIMITED train sets. Initially three were assigned to the NATIONAL LIMITED but were replaced by through MP cars from Houston and Fort Worth later that year and the B&O 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars reverted to the CAPITOL LIMITED. Apparently the MP did not like B&O colors breaking up the MP color scheme of the new TEXAS EAGLES.

14 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard April - June 1948 Plan: 4153B Lot: 6776 (Built for and assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED)

7010 PAW PAW

7011 MAHONING

7012 MONOCACY

7013 MUSKINGUM

7014 PATUXENT

7015 CACAPON

7016 SANGAMON

7017 SCIOTO

As the streamlined cars were added to the CAPITOL LIMITED and NATIONAL LIMITED in the latter train's case they were MP, Frisco and M-K-T cars with few actual B&O sleeping cars in the NATIONAL LIMITED at this time.
The older heavyweight streamlined cars from the NATIONAL LIMITED and CAPITOL LIMITED were passed down to the AMBASSADOR, DIPLOMAT, and SHENANDOAH upgrading those trains with more modern appearing sleeping cars.
In March 1950 the B&O received ten 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard and eight of these were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED pool so each train set had four. The 14-4 cars were then transferred to the AMBASSADOR, SHENANDOAH and DIPLOMAT adding newer streamlined sleeping cars to those trains. The SHENANDOAH received the remaining two new 10-6 cars from the Pullman Standard order. These cars were part of the huge C&O order for cars that the C&O and NKP Advisory Mechanical Committee (AMC) had developed. The Double Bedrooms were all located in the center of the sleeping cars with five roomettes located at each end over the trucks. Besides the ten cars built new for the B&O the IC received five and the D&RGW received four. The thirteen NKP cars differed slightly and were not part of the C&O order although the NKP took part in the design of the C&O cars providing mechanical engineers to the AMC. The C&O received fifty-six 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from the original order and even this number was more than they needed or could put to use. In October 1950 the C&O sold four to the ACL and five to the IC with two more sold to the IC in November, 1950 and a final car sent to the IC in January 1951 after the Christmas rush ended.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard March 1950 Plan: 4167 Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to CAPITOL LIMITED)

7040 AUGLAISE

7041 CATOCTIN

7042 GUYANDOTTE

7043 KOKOSING

7044 MUSCATATUCK

7045 OPEQUON

7046 SHENANGO

7047 TUSCARAWAS

7048 TYGART

7049 YOUGHIOGHENY

In December 1950 the B&O received three Dome Sleeping cars with 5 Roomettes 3 Drawing Rooms 1 Single Bedroom and 24 seats in the Dome. These three cars were originally built for the C&O for their stillborn CHESSIE. These Budd built cars were originally delivered to the C&O in August 1948 as daytime private room cars numbered 1850 - 1852. The C&O considered assigning these cars to the SPORTSMAN for operation between Washington and Detroit and was prepared to name them 1850 BELLE ISLE DOME, 1851 CHAMBERLIN DOME and 1852 HAMPTON ROADS DOME. The names were never applied and the cars were sold to the B&O in December 1950. Two of the cars 7601 STARLIGHT DOME and 7602 SUNLIGHT DOME were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED and the third car 7600 MOONLIGHT DOME was assigned to the SHENANDOAH operating every other day in one train set. These three cars were fitted with roof mounted headlights to light up the passing scenery on the nocturnal journeys of the SHENANDOAH and CAPITOL LIMITEDS. There were clearance problems on the route of the NATIONAL LIMITED and that is why the three domes were assigned to the Chicago - Washington route. The three domes certainly set the CAPITOL LIMITED apart from the competition on the Washington Chicago route such as the PRR LIBERTY LIMITED. The CAPITOL LIMITED began Dome service January 8, 1951.

24 SEAT STRATA-DOME 5 ROOMETTE 3 DRAWING ROOM 1 SINGLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company August 1948 Plan: 9524 Lot: 9669 - 017 (Built for C&O CHESSIE never operated in that train purchased by B&O December 1950)

7600 MOONLIGHT DOME ex C&O BELLE ISLE DOME originally C&O 1850

7601 STARLIGHT DOME ex C&O CHAMBERLIN DOME originally C&O 1851

7602 SUNLIGHT DOME ex C&O HAMPTON ROADS DOME originally C&O 1852

In February 1951 the B&O received two used 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations from the C&O. These cars were delivered to the C&O in 1950 so were virtually new when sold to the B&O. These cars had squared off Observation ends and were probably among the most attractive Observations of this type ever constructed. The first two cars were the 7502 DANA the former C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB and the 7503 METCALF former C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB. These cars were assigned to the two consists of the Baltimore/Washington - Detroit AMBASSADOR beginning February 15, 1951.
In March 1951 two additional 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations identical to the first two arrived on the B&O from the C&O. After repainting and renumbering these two B&O 7500 NAPPANEE ex C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB and 7501 WAWASEE ex C&O WOLVERINE CLUB were assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED. The new cars replaced the old prewar streamlined heavyweight Solarium Observations in CAPITOL LIMITED service.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard August 1950 Plan: 4165 Lot: 6863 (Built for and assigned C&O Sold to B&O in February - March 1951 for assignment to AMBASSADOR and CAPITOL LIMITED)

7500 NAPPANNEE originally C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB

7501 WAWASEE originally C&O 2507 WOLVERINE CLUB

7502 DANA originally C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB

7503 METCALF originally C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB

The B&O next received an order for eleven 16 Duplex Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from the Budd Company in May-June 1954. These cars all named for Birds were assigned to such trains as the CAPITOL LIMITED AMBASSADOR, SHENANDOAH, NATIONAL LMITED and other trains. These cars would later serve the B&O as SLUMBERCOACHES and finally eight of these cars would be sold to the SCL for SLUMBERCOACH service between New York and Miami.

16 DUPLEX ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Budd Company May - June 1954 Plan: 9536 Lot: 9658 - 137 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

7100 BOBOLINK

7101 CARDINAL

7102 GULL

7103 KINGFISHER

7104 MOCKINGBIRD

7105 ORIOLE

7106 QUAIL

7107 ROBIN

7108 SWAN

7109 THRUSH
7110 WREN

Seeking to upgrade the NATIONAL LIMITED the B&O purchased three NYC prewar 1 Compartment 1 Drawing Room 2 Double Bedroom Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations that were assigned to the pre WW II SOUTHWESTERN LIMITED. The three cars arrived on the B&O in January 1956 and after repainting and refurbishing the three cars entered B&O service with the same names they had carried while in NYC service.

7510 GENESEE RIVER originally NYC 10650 GENESEE RIVER

7511 MAUMEE RIVER originally NYC 10651 MAUMEE RIVER

7512 WABASH RIVER originally NYC 10652 WABASH RIVER

Beginning April 5, 1957 the B&O assigned lightweight streamlined Twin Unit Dining cars to the CAPITOL LIMITED. These replaced the prewar heavyweight streamlined Dining cars of 1938 in CAPITOL LIMITED. The car were purchased used from the NYC where they had operated in the DETROITER and even the WOLVERINE. The two Twin Unit Dining cars were originally built for the C&O as part of the 1950 order. Four of the Dormitory Kitchen cars and four of the Dining Room cars were sold to the NYC. It was two each of these that were sold to the B&O for the CAPITOL LIMITED as follows.
1092 DINING ROOM CAR and 1093 CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN CAR ex NYC 409 - 472 originally C&O 1975 MICHIE"S TAVERN C&O 1956 CALDWELLS KITCHEN

1094 DINING ROOM CAR and 1095 CREW DORMITORY KITCHEN CAR ex NYC 410 - 473 originally C&O 1976 HANOVER TAVERN C&O 1957 BOTSFORD KITCHEN

The B&O purchased four 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars used from the C&O in 1957 and after repainting the cars entered service assigned to the NATIONAL LIMITED. B&O 7052 SCHUYLKILL and 7053 SHENANDOAH entered service in February 1957. In March B&O 7051 CUYAHOGA entered B&O service followed by 7050 ALLEGHENY in April 1957.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard February - July 1950 Plan: 4167 Lot: 6864 (Built for and assigned to C&O trains sold to B&O 1957 assigned to NATIONAL LIMITED)

7050 ALLEGHENY originally C&O 2603 CITY OF MOUNT HOPE

7051 CUYAHOGA originally C&O 2635 TOWN OF PRINCE

7052 SCHUYLKILL originally C&O 2643 CITY OF MUSKEGON

7053 SHENANDOAH ex C&O 2655 CITY OF PETOSKEY originally C&O 2655 CITY OF ATHENS

In February 1958 the B&O received a pair of the new 24 Single Room 8 Double Room Slumber coaches from Budd numbered and named 7700 SLUMBERLAND and 7701 DREAMLAND. The pair were assigned to the COLUMBIAN the all coach overnight streamliners between Baltimore and Chicago. These trains had been combined with the AMBASSADOR east of Willard Ohio so the Coach Observations were assigned elsewhere. Eventually the B&O would combine the CAPITOL LIMITED and COLUMBIAN between Baltimore and Chicago and the AMBASSADOR between Baltimore and Willard Ohio in both directions. Finally the COLUMBIAN name would be dropped and the combined CAPITOL LIMITED - COLUMBIAN would be known as the CAPITOL LIMITED.

24 SINGLE ROOM 8 DOUBLE ROOM SLUMBERCOACHES Budd Company February 1958 Plan: 9540 Lot: 9691-211 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIAN)

7700 SLUMBERLAND
7701 DREAMLAND

In May 1959 the B&O received three leased Slumbercoaches from the Budd Company for assignment to the NATIONAL LIMITED between Baltimore and St. Louis. The three leased Slumbercoaches were numbered and named 7702 RESTLAND, 7703 SLEEPLAND and 7704 THRIFTLAND.
In September, 1959 the Missouri Pacific received a 24 Single Room 8 Double Room Slumbercoach leased from Budd numbered and named 699 SOUTHLAND. At that time the B&O and MP Slumbercoaches began a Washington - San Antonio daily service operating in the NATIONAL LIMITED east of St. Louis and the TEXAS EAGLE west of St. Louis.
When the lease was up the MP and B&O both returned these Slumbercoaches to Budd who promptly sold them to the NP for NORTH COAST LIMITED - MAINSTREETER service.

TTFN Al

[trolleyboy]

Good morning Tom and all the rest of you that are hiding in here to avoid the sun and heat of the day.I think a number three with a large thermos of tea, and one of the prune danishes to wash it all down as Ted's not eating his share of them and Mama Glockenspeil is none to happy.[:0][B)][8]

Gonna be a scorcher here today 90 degrees with a heat and smog alert ,for a 97 with the humidex. Mind you this year I haven't faired to badley the central air has only kicked in twice this summer ( thank god for ancient double brick houses surrounded by trees )

Ted I'm glad that I could help with my [2c] take on DCC for you. I know what you mean about leveraging your payments to Peter to pay Paul. Sometimes I feel like we have to bypass both to pay Guido <cause he gots the bigga stick donchaknow>[:(][xx(] If you do get a chance search out Fugates articles he is da man when it comes to all things DCC. I normally don't travel far from here in the forums either becaaausen I just can't stand the crapola out there.Also times a factor staying current here, and keeping up with any and all things on my museum thread eat up all the resorces I'm generally willing to spend online. I'm not retired yet so my times not all mine. ( He ducks as the owner sends Awk in on a bombing run )[:0][B)][xx(]

Doug Our insurnace covers all the vollenteer's should theey fall or injure themselves in anyway as well as covering the public in case of misshap. We are just thankfull that we have no public grade crossings, that would be an extra $50,000. There was a time when the town and the museum wanted to extend us accross the next townline road to add a spur to the provincial park in Rockwood two miles down from us. Then we saw the potential bill for the grade crossings signals and the extra insurance that we would have had to pay[:0] The premium would have made Donald trumps hair fall out[:D] and that was over ten yeasr ago before 911.

Al Nice streamliner as always sir. Sounds like you are right back in the thick of things with work and the city and all. Just opace yourself sir, you don't want another relapse.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay tom another refill of the ole thermos if you don't mind, a bit too early for anything heavier, but here's a10 spot for a round of real stuff later on this afternoon.

A quick Classic juice for you folks today then it's off to work I go.

CLASSIC JUICE # 30 The Cornwall Street Railway

The city of Cornwall ontario lies just 25 miles from the Quebec Boarder and sits on the shores of the St Lawrence River.The town was founded in 1780 by UEL.s but saw little growth until 1843 when the Cornwall Canal was built and allowed ships to bypass a set of rapids on the ST Lawrence. The first steam Railway reached Cornwall 7 years later in 1850 thus spawned the industrial age in this once small farming town.

In order to meet the needs of local transportation the town council passed a speacial bylaw in 1885 granting operating rights for a street railway.On July 7, 1896 six singlwe truck arched roofed cars were purchased from Preston Car ad Coach and the Cornwall Electric Street Railway began operating up and down the streets of Cornwall . In 1898 the railways nmae was officially changed to the Cornwall Street Railway , Light and Power Company.To reflect the extended scope of the company ( owned the power houses for the city and outlying areas as well )Cornwall was the first town in Ontario to own it's own electric lighting plant.

After the initail purchase of equipment the little company never purchased new cars again, they purchased replacements from twenty different cities in the US and Canada. These cities included Green Bay , Ottawa, Williamsport , Windsor, Fort Worth , Fort Wayne and New York City. By 1935 the entire line was operating with single truck Birney saftey cars with double ended control stands. The line also went to one man crews in the early 20's on their street cars.

The system satrted out with two routes, Pitt street, and Second street ( the second street line was the heaviest travelled ), a third route was built in 1934, the Belt Line as it was called wa one of the last street car lines built in North America. It was three miles long, and provided crucial acccess to several industrial sites at the edge of the city. they ferried the workers to the plants and operated electric locomotives to switch theindustries as well.

When the war broke out in 1939 the CSR wa carrying 1 milliomn passengers a year by the end of the war in 1945 that passenger count had tripled to 3.3 million riders a year. In addition, the CSR's freight division handled 20,000 freight cars, all impressive numbers when you concider that Cornwall at the time had a poulation of about 25,000 people !It's even more interesting when you concider that the CSR waas essentilaly a single track system with a couple of passing sidings which limited the lentgh of frieght train movements during daylight hours.

The Cornwall Street Railway, as it was locally known, had a fleet of 5 steeple cab locomotives with which it served all the local industries. they interchanged freight cars with CN, cars were spotted at night at the various industries around town. As was the case with the passenger equipment the freight motors wer also second hand, having come from the NS&T,The Kansa City Kaw Valley and Western,The Windsor essex and Northshore,and the Chatham Wallaceburg & Lake erie.They were all of standard type however as they were all class B or C baldwin Westinghouse Locomotives.

By the end of the war, the CSR built a new three mile long frieght route in order to remove the freight trains from the streets of the city. New track was laid, and new overhead was installed. Also for the first time the CSR began operating buses, the first new transit equipmenet the city had bough since the turn of the century. The busses they decoded were used to feed the three streetcar routes instead of building new streetcar lines.

Despite the new track and overhead the CSR decided to phase out the streetcar operation, on july 27 1949, the last car ran in Cornwall. They were replaced by fifteen trolley busses of the early Brill design. A sixteenth was purchased in 1951. Cornwall thus became the smallest city in North america to operate trolley coaches !The trolley coaches were retired in 1970 replaced by standard deisel busse. The frieght operations continued to operate under wires until 1971, the last such friegth operation in Canada.

Today the only remainders of the CSR electrification are two of the frieght motors. #16 is stuffed and mounted in a central park in the city facing the St lawrence River. The other 4 were sold to the Illinois terminal. In 1974 #17 was purcahsed from teh IT by the Halton County Radial Railway Museum and restored as lake Erie and Northern 335 our museum's gate guardian for the time being as the locomotive had it's copper stripped by some interprising JO while it was waiting to be delivered to us in a CPR freight yard.


Rob

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Petrol is still holding at $2.68 (rounded) up at “Collusion Corner,” but expected to rise as the speculators and OPEC align forces to keep those prices per barrel above $70 (US). Makes me wonder WHY such a system is allowed to flourish when it is transparent as the day is long what the impacts are. My Gawd, how in the world are people able to get to and from their places of work, school and shopping on incomes considered to be the “living wage” [?]

Apparently we had a reprieve from the dire temp predictions of yesterday – we only made it to 97 (F) in my area, with oppressive, but not insufferable humidity (according to one of our WX men! Good Grief! [tdn] Today the “front” is expected and if all holds true to their guessing game approach to forecasting (synonymous terms!) we should be in the low 80s tomorrow. [yeah]

Ommmigosh! Is the world coming to an end here in the “River City” [?] Our Cardinals got thrashed once again by those nasty White Sox, this time ONLY 13 to 5 – that’s thirteen for THEM and five for us! <groan> And to think we have a weekend series in Detroit! <ugh>

Took a neighbor to the airport this AM and came away with this observation: I think gasoline needs to be pegged at the $15 per gallon mark in order for our highways to provide the lane space needed to safely navigate them. Good Gawd Gertie, I couldn’t believe the traffic on the three major Interstates I used – “chock blocked” in both directions – people heading to work, school, play, shopping, etc. – just a seemingly never ending chain of trucks, cars, not-many-buses, and whatever else comes with inflatable tires. Simply amazing. Happening all over, all of the time.


Is it time for an APB for coalminer3 CM3 [?] Looks like he’s been rather scarce since his brief Post back on Tuesday . . . C’mon back, Shane! [swg]

I like that discussion ensuing regarding DCC and model trains. It’s one that I’ve rehashed several times. Had many a phone conversation with our friend Fergie up in Nova Scotia about it, but still haven’t come to a conclusion for applicability with my own model railroading interests.

Goes like this for me: I honestly like the way my layouts are running and wired. For me, I enjoy the throwing of the toggles, the sliding of the switches and the assorted other things one must do to keep the pike in orderly operating condition. Labor intensive [?] Perhaps – but harkening back to what I just said, I like the way my layouts are running . . .

DCC (Digital Command Control) is the cat’s meow for many. I don’t argue or challenge the technology and applicability to our hobby. As many of you may recall, my three pikes were built from scratch and in the last couple of years or so. I had the opportunity to jump right in with DCC at the get go. I priced the stuff and thought about it – priced it again, thought about it some more, and went the “old fashioned way” with the HO – S – and O gauge layouts.

For me to convert now, just with the HO, would be a cost prohibitive venture to say the least. All of my locos (dozens) are of the variety where they can accommodate the boards needed for DCC. But at so many bucks per board multiplied by my locos [wow] too much. Then there would be the pu***o get things like illumination for my passenger cars (over 40 on the board at the moment) – sound units for the locos – and so forth. This is an expensive thing to say the least.

Make-break decision point for me is a simple one. I’m at the age where once I leave this Earth, all of my trains will wind up in someone else’s collection (hopefully MRR clubs, etc.). The return to me on such an outlay of cash simply does not justify the expense – especially when “I honestly like the way my layouts are running and wired.”

IF I had it to do over again with my Can-Am HO layout there’s only one thing I’d do differently – use KATO track in lieu of Bachmann. Everything else suits me fine.

Now, the Polar Express O gauge shelf system is simply a large oval of track. No brainer there. No need to DCC it.

The S-Capades is a bit more “complex” – an oval within an oval with a passing siding and two other sidings. With my dual transformer, use of insulated rail joiners, and toggle switches, I can run 3 loco’s independently of one another (2 of the 3 have sound installed) and have a great time. No need to DCC it, either.

So, that’s the “report” from here. Good subject, Ted – glad you brought it up! [tup]


Some acknowledgments, I see:

Appreciate the evening visits from Ted ‘n Rob and the morning submissions from Doug – Ted – Al ‘n Rob! Way to go, Gents! Our registers, “Tilla ‘n Cashinator” thank you very much for your “contributions”! [swg]


Nice B&O from you Al and hope to see ya about the decks soon! [tup]


Never a dull moment down there in sunny FLA, eh Ted [?] Idle hands get into mischief, or something like that . . . [swg]


Rob Thanx for the Email reply to the reply to the reply, etc. I’ll be getting another off to ya soon! <grin> Always good material coming our way from Ontario and I liked the new installment on the Cornwall Street Railway! [tup]


Nice “ad” from you Doug – and although I’ve seen it somewhere else (probably one of your jokes!) it got a laff from my bride and I! [tup] Also, it appears you survived the dive-bombing exercises with Awk – send the cleaning bill over to Vito the Hit – his dry cleaning company, “We’ll take you to the cleaners!” will take good care of you! [swg] <right>



That’s it for now. I’ll be behind the bar for the day! So, whatillyahave [?]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[BudKarr]

Good Day Captain Tom and all assembled!

Once again a brunch seems to be the fashion of the day for us – so make it a #5, easy over and coffee for me, scrambled and tea for my lady – also a round of cheer for the guys at the bar! [tup]


Although I am simply dazzled by the conversation regarding this technology called DCC, it is an interesting subject. Lydia has already “bookmarked” several sites where the subject matter is taken literally from beginning to current stages. Doubt that I shall EVER read any of it! Honestly, you would think I am in school again with all the ‘assignments’ she finds for me to do! [swg] Then again, had I enjoyed a teacher like her – well, we would have made “news” long before it became fashionable to discuss those behaviors in the media! <grin>


Afraid I am a bit light on material this day – and it may be a harbinger of things to come. It is not that my interests have dwindled or the like, simply that the amount of time it takes to compose something hopefully intelligent and germane to the discussion is getting just a bit more difficult for me. My guess is others have experienced this as well. I will try to at least drop in as close to this time as possible – but should I miss a day or three, not to worry – I will be back! [tup]


You know, those traction photos over on “your other thread” are very interesting. They bring back memories for me from my youth and I find myself interested in that sort of thing. I am not one of those “good old days” soothsayers, but more so the realist – cannot ever go back, only forward. However, I do think the public transportation methods of yesteryear were far more efficient and traveled than we experience here in North America in the 21st century. I can relate to Tom’s observations regarding the numbers of vehicles on the roads these days. Even in this, something remote and out of the way place, cars everywhere and not just cars – SUVs, large “personal” trucks, etc. – all burning up the fossil fuels as if there is no tomorrow. A day of reckoning looming on the horizon, perhaps [?]


Nice to see the words from Rob – Lars - Doug – Al & Ted and hope that all is well with you gentlemen! [tup] Good to be amongst you again and hope to find something of interest to share, real soon!


Until then, have another on me! Boris ring that bell! [tup]


BK in Alberta, Canada’s beautiful high mountain country!

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon Barkeep and All Present; Iced coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Lovely heat and humidity today – I envy the K9 Korps who is in air-conditioned comfort at the kennel.

I didn’t run away honest. We had work and “off-field” issues to deal with yesterday. Gotta love it!

Upper 80s here today, gas is at $2.85 ($2.65 two counties east of here; the story about the price differential is that they have several “big hills” that have to be traversed by tank trucks to get to our little corner of “Almost Heaven.” The last time I looked most of this part of WV was a BIG !@#$ hill – and more than one of them. No Boris, you don’t have to drag me out – that’s all I have to say.

Tom – I feel your pain, but the White Sox are big, mean, and they have a pretty good group of starters. I caught the end of that game last night after watching the Red Sox. I bought the Extra Innings package on our cable system so have lots of games every night.

I was really pleased to see all of the NKP-related material that was posted.

Rob – Thanks for your contributions. The Plate had a group of Hudsons that ran on their passenger trains; they never got the publicity and recognition that the 700s did, but they were fine locomotives. I also appreciated your posts on Canadian steam, and the St. Rys. of Hamilton and Cornwall.

Al – Thanks for all the NKP and B&O car information. IIRC, I read somewhere that the “City of Lima” is still with us and is being restored.

Barndad – The NKP safety rules were most interesting to me anyway. I enjoyed looking at the material on PPE, work procedures, and materials handling. Many of those rules have not changed to this day. BTW, I always look carefully when crossing through clouds of steam (of course, some say that’s my usual vapor-clouded state).

Somewhere in my stuff, I have some pictures of the NKP shops at Bellevue (IIRC) where a machinist is working with a wheel lathe. Anyway, there are long strips of metal everywhere. I showed them to my father in law and he went into a two hour dissertation about how it was back in the day when he worked with machines like that at Lackawanna. I also have shots of NKP engines being rehweeled after being shopped. People all over the place, virtually no eye protection; cloth caps, etc. But that was the way it was back then.

B4 I forget, the Plate did class repairs to steam engines almost right up till the end. I had the fortune to see NKP 759 run and spent a lot of time up close to NKP 765 when it was over here on the C&O. Lovely machines. I also had a chance to see PM1228 when it was here as well; a little different look, but still a Joint Mechanical Committee engine.

Theodorebear – Keep on keepin’ on.

Tom – Again thanks for the NKP and the B&O material. BTW, I especially enjoyed that picture of the IT car; something about the interurbans in Indiana.

BK - Gald you have returned. We watched hockey here and somehow the idea of a team in Carolina.................

As a heads up I will be offline until abt. July 11. I know I mentioned this earlier, but thought I’d bring it forward again. Yes, we are going to NKP/NYC/B&A/NYNH&H land for awhile; I will take my camera and see what I can see. The strange thing is that most of what I spot along I-90 on the old NYC is Union Pacific power. I also plan to try and write up some more stuff from the old notebooks for future posts.

Have an enjoyable Independence Day. What’s this rumor I hear about Boris, beer kegs, and black powder?

Work safe

[LoveDomes]

Posted: 22 Jun 2006, page 360

Greetings Cap’n Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Hi Ho – my “bookend” has returned and all seems to be right with the world again! [tup] Great to see ya, mate, and hope this inport period will be of long duration, sure appreciate the reassembling of the Three Horsemen! [yeah]

Sounds to me as if your happy hiatus was a marvelous thing indeed. All those island paradises and then some! I can’t imagine something like that – but then again, I can dream that I do! [swg]

Set ‘em up, barkeep – here’s a couple of ten spots – let’s toast the good health and well being of our newly wed friends up there in those beautiful Alberta mountains! <cheers>


Looks like your Cardinals are taking their “lumps” up their in the “Windy City,” huh [?] Whatever it is those “SOX” are having for breakfast – they should market it! Quite an offensive display these past two games. My Mets are doing quite well, but they dropped a cliff hanger to the Reds last night – our closer needs a bit of recharging, some would say. Anyway, the “home team” enjoys quite a lead in their division and as we approach the All-Star break, the men soon get separated from the boys, as has been said. [tup]


Enjoyed the material of the week and I’d say Tuesday had to be one of the finest we’ve seen ‘round the bar in many a week. Great input for an interesting “theme” – Nickel Plate! Always learn new and interesting things at this cyber institute of railroading, overseen by our “steamed Proprietor, Capn’ Tom!” [tup]


What is this [?] A long term absence looming on the horizon for CM3 coalminer3 “I’m not Shane!” Who authorized this [?] Does anyone recall seeing a “chit” slip through [?] Verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting! <grin>

You’ll most certainly be missed and an example of that was not having you aboard just these past two mornings! Ain’t the same without our WVA rep at the bar. Have a wonderful time away and hope all goes better than planned! [tup] [tup] [tup]


[2c] I’d be remiss if I didn’t make mention of a bit of consternation evident at the bar a page or so removed.

I harbor no ill will toward anyone who participates around here – the more the merrier and the merrier the better.

However, any time, and I mean any time, there is an intentional slight or challenge to our Proprietor and the way he operates this bar, I take it personally. So that’s just the way it is. I’m here because of the way Tom has constructed and runs this place, not for any other reason.

Found these “House Rules” from our former [C=:-)] Chief Chef, Nick and perhaps it’s time to review ‘em, with special emphasis on number 1:

(1) All emotional baggage to be checked at the door.
(2) No ladies of negotiable affection before midnight.
(3) No whizzing in the spittoons at any time.
(4) The Ladies are always right, regardless of circumstance.
(5) Food available until Chef finds the bottle.
(6) Lightly oil & polish barmaids between shifts.

RIP is fine, but perhaps moreso for the rest of us than the people who cause these situations from time to time.


Now, the upstate report. Got back late yesterday afternoon – flew up and back and back, with a rental car used for local transport. The thought of a 12 hour roundtrip drive simply didn’t thrill me at all! Was able to connect with direct flights from Newark . . . much more convenient than the other NYC airports. <ugh>

Bottom line: shouldn’t have to return. Got matters straightened out with the County people – have litigation underway against the property management company – have a buyer for the property – so it appears this chapter of the upstate saga may indeed be closed – soon.

At the stages of life my Mrs. and I are in, it is doubtful that we’ll find another “retreat” nor are we interested in remaining in an area where so much recent grief has been experienced. We had lots of happy summer and fall vacations up there, but it is Sayonara to that chapter of our lives.


Good conversation all around on the DCC business. I have a cursory understanding of what it is, why it is and how it is applied, however, since I have no active layouts nor do I associate with anyone who does, I’ve not seen it in operation. As a matter of fact, I was talking to a friend not that long ago about this ‘n that and the subject of the internet came up. He said that he used it to find out some info regarding a train set he is interested in purchasing for one of his grandchildren, who is apparently “big time” into the hobby and a teenager at that. Anyway, he asked me what I thought about DCC, and I thought he was talking about DC, as in current, and it went down hill from there! <swg>


Wish I could help with the recruiting drive, Cap’n Tom – I will keep my ear to the ground and should someone, somewhere indicate interest in the kinds of things we do here – I’ll be sure to snag ‘em for us! [tup]


Until the next time!


Lars

[Anonymous]

Good afternoon Tom and gents! I'll have a bottlemless draught, and buy a round for the house. That was quite a post on the B&O ... Sir Types-a-Lot (Al). I see we also have had a pretty good showing of the regulars so far today as well, which always makes my heart go pitty-pat. Here's a little contribution from yours truly. Humbly and quickly submitted before my wife gets back from the stable!

Dots and Dashes by Ralph D. Pierce – Vintage Rails No. 9

Jim Riedelbach’s hand is on the telegraph key as he copies a train order for the photographers at Portage, Wisconsin, in 1983. The telegraph sounder is in the view at the right. The wire from Milwaukee to LaCrosse continued in use, as an emergency backup, until about 1985. Riedelbach worked for the Milwaukee Road for 43 years.


I know it’s hard to believe, but there was a time when cellular phones were nonexistent: and to make things worse, two-way hand-held radios were not yet dreamed of. Communication gains have made drastic leaps and bounds in the last two decades; but if you had been around in the late 19th century, you would have been able to make this same claim. When telegraph wires were strung from coast to coast and from north to south, the almost-instantaneous transfer of news and information amazed the populous of this country. No longer did it take six weeks by wagon of six days by pony express to pass information to California. Events taking place in the East or election results from the West now were quickly known on the opposite shore.

Samuel Morse’s 1843 invention not only linked the nation, but created an economic boom as well. Railroads became the greatest user of the telegraph and gained remarkable efficiency, along with tremendous growth. Here was a fast, efficient, less flawed way of communicating within the company. Train arrivals and departures, breakdowns, work orders, scheduling, and a million other things could be dealt with quickly and accurately. Shippers and passengers could now be assured of accurate arrival and departure times for freight and passenger trains. Standardization of U.S. time zones in 1883 was closely connected to the telegraph, too. Time zones contributed to the reduction of “cornfield meets” and missed schedules and basically helped out the railroads’ house in order.

Soon was heard everywhere the rat-a-tat and tinka-tink of the telegraph key and its sounder. This rhythmic music sounded throughout towns and hamlets across the nation. The telegraph operator and his equipment were integral parts not only of the railroad, but of America. The romance and necessity of the telegraph continued long into the 20th century. Not until the second half of this century did the telephone and “wireless” communication knock the telegraph off the railroader’s desk.

I remember back in the early seventies the grumbling of a C&NW agent fried of mine about the new device taking up half the top of his desk. There sat the forerunner of today’s Fax machine. Railroads wanted to rid themselves of the expensive maintenance costs of the telegraph network – a system that required massive amounts of poles, wires, and skilled operators. The railroads were not totally satisfied with telephones, because written, not verbal communication was required to eliminate mistakes. Here was something that could run information over a standard phone line and result in a paper document. New innovations in reliable communication reduced expenses, and the days of the telegraph were numbered.

While shopping the antique stores and visiting those inviting sales, sooner or later you probably will come across telegraph equipment and supplies. Even if you are not interested in an in-depth study of all the types and styles of telegraph equipment, a piece or two to decorate your study or office might be nice.

The most common finds will be the sending key, the sounder, and the “bug” (a type of sender designed for high speed and to be easier on the wrist). These pieces of equipment are great for the novice, since repairs and renovation are relatively easy and inexpensive. A few evenings’ work with minimal tools and some common sense is all that is needed. Reconditioning these telegraph items, made mostly of brass and wood, is a fairly easy task: brass cleaner, a little fine steel wool, maybe a few other touch ups, and some coats of a good, clear finish material will result in magnificent Electromagnetic Telegraph display pieces.

The Sears Roebuck Company catalog offered practice sets for sale which were powered by a dry cell battery and sold in the early 20th century for about five dollars. These sets turn up fairly often, and because the set consists of all the aspects of the telegraph, displaying a working system can be fun and intriguing.

Communication is so important to many of our businesses that a piece of refurbished telegraph equipment is not only decorative and historical, but also an impressive job-related antiquity. The only thing finer than a sounder displayed on an original desk stand would be the crowning touch of the empty tobacco tin added to the display. For those of you too young to remember, the telegrapher used an empty tobacco tin, propped against the sounder, to amplify the sound as it vibrated the tin box – no electric amplifiers in those days, just the innovativeness of the telegrapher.

Not only has the passenger train been reduced to a few lines and destinations, but the romance and warmth of the train depot and its activities have long been lost. Gone are those rat-a-tats and tinka-tinks of the telegraph: the music of the railroad depot is no more. It’s harder to dream about the good old days without those soothing sounds.

[:I] A guy goes to the hardware store to buy some insecticide. He hold up a box and asks the store manager, " Is this stuff good for beetles?" The manager replies, " No, it'll kill 'em" [:I]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

A bit more activity 'round the joint today - but a far, far cry from the halcyon days of the past ! Remember when . . . guys actually remembered that we served meals on Thursdays [?] . . . When we had a Chief Chef [?] . . . When we had a clientele that could be depended upon [?} . . . Ah, but those days are gone and this is now! So, CHANGES will indeed occur - as invevitable as the changing of the tides.

Great to see CM3 -Shane swing by, but sadenned to learn of his lengthy absence. It's kind of a mixed bag, wish him best of times during a well earned vacation - but selfishly will miss his presence duirng the Monday thru Friday morning slot. No point in asking for a "pinch hitter" - our ranks are rather thinned.

Appreciate the visits by the "bookends," both here and on "my other Thread." [tup] [tup] Not to worry BK no one expects profound input each 'n every Post - that's totally inappropriate and perhaps absurd as well. Just your presence is what counts! [tup]

Lars Glad to have you back with us! [tup] [tup] Sounds very positive regarding the upstate situation - which can't be all that bad. [tup]

I recall flying out of Newark a time or three and apparently it hasn't changed insofar as avoiding the nightmare associated with Laguardia and Kennedy. [tdn]

My guess is we KNOW where you stand on issues, eh [?] I don't mean that in a derisive way, Mate - just appreciate your support. Now, it IS time to just let IT go . . . can't change the behavior of those who don't want to fully participate. Been that way from day one - just the way of the world. The "Welcome Mat" is out for one and all - with the provisio of willingness to engage in the way we do things 'round here.

Thanx for the reminder by way of "Nick's House Rules" of what this place really should be all about! [tup] [tup] [tup]

By the by, it hurts me to refer to our friend from West Wales as a "former' this or that . . . but that's the way it is. Good luck to you, Nick in whatever it is you are doing - has been a pleasure knowing you! [tup] [tup] [tup]

Great story, Lars about that "DCC" conversation you had with your freind! <grin> Been there, done that with other subjects . . .

Thanx to all who bouht rounds and provided "coin" for Herr Wurlitzer!

Okay Gents, time to check on other matters.

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

A return trip and specailly done for Doug - good to see ya again! [tup]

Your feature on Dots 'n Dashes rings true with me, not so much in the RR sense, but I was a high speed CW (continuous wave) operator for 14 years of my career. High speed with dots 'n dashes required MINIMUM proficiency at 22 wpm - I made it into the 35 wpm receiving zone, which some say is borderline insanity! [swg] Now you ALL know! <grin>

I also was a "bug" owner and operator and somewhere around this place are the "tools of the trade" long faded into history. Kinda like the typewriter - who needs it [?]

Thanx for the nostalgia trip! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Something special for our traction fans . . . .


IT #234 - party car trailer (courtesy: donsdept.donrossgroup.net -
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Enjoy! [tup]

REMINDER:
Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and a round please.

Just to let you all know I am back over here. I will be in the corner of the bar catching up on the posts while I have been away although we will be away this weekend.

Hope every one is keeping OK and I will let you know about the England trip when I have caught up a bit. PETE.

[siberianmo]

Hey Pete!!

[#welcome] back!

He's baaaaaaaaaack, but gone again! [swg] Expect some great "stuff" as you check through the Posts . . . take your time, we'll be here when you are ready! [tup] [tup] [tup]

Looking forward to hearing (and seeing) how things went in Merry Olde!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon, as I'm now off the clock I'll have a nice tall draft of Rickard's Red please.Oh and another 10 spot to feed the cashinator for another round for the house.Nice to saee a fairly full day by modern standards around here today [tup] And the fullest compliment of crew that we have had in a while as all our wanderer's are now back home.[#welcome] back in Pete my man, we've missed you. Oh and thank-you for your courtesy post from england back when Tom was away , it was very thoughtfull of you to think of us, back here at the bar.[^]

CM3 Hi niice to see you in again, I hope that your trip goes well. As lars said it will be odd without our daily WVG report.I'm wondering , did the person who gave that lamo excuse for why the gas prices were diferent county to county due to hills have a smile on his face and his hands behind his back, that or a strange smelling cloud of "cigarette smoke " around him.I've driven through West V many a time and I don't remember too many flat spots at all. I'm with you I love those midwest Interurbans as well. Morning Sun books has published two good volumes on the Illinois terminal and one has just recently come out on all the Interurbans that ran through Chicago as well.


lars Good to see you back, and even better to hear that things have gone extrodinarliy well for you upstate.The forum must now quake as the Three Horsemen are riding again.[;)][B)][:0]

Doug That was a wonderfull article on the old telegraph system. Nothing said railroad to me more than the sound of the telegraph tapping away. I know that Tom got a charge out of it as well. When we were at the museum during the rendezvous he found the telegraph key on the station master's desk of Rockwood station, his fingers were absolutly flying. [tup]

Tom That was a fine teaser on the IT again. , hint hint > right [?]The girlz are in doing their usual Bavarian fish fry tonight ( yes including severel kinds *** as well )[:0][8][xx(] I'm going to have some as they haven't poisoned anyone this month yet[:D][:-^]

BK Hey like Tom said nobody expects content on each and every post. You've got a good thing going here and the participation is what matters,content schmontent as long as you buy a drink once in a while.[;)][:D] Any tidbits from you are a wonderfull extra[^]

Pete Like I said earlier glad to see you back.We now have someone in the bar that can truly teach H&H how to prepare fish and chips [tup] it's all good from here.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay one more for tonight, another obscure steam line to read away the night with.

CLASSIC STEAM # 27 THE THOUSAND ISL RAILWAY

The Thousand Islands Railway ( TIR ) was one of the shortest railwyas in Ontario to 1) have a charter and 2) actually serve industrial customers and have passenger operations.

From the beginning, Gananoque was an important location along the Canadian side of the St lawrence River. The river's water power attracted industries ( mills ) as early as 1787. By 1808 it was a stage stop on the Montreal to Kingston Road, and by 1819 had a steamer warf. However by the 1840's when the American side of the river started getting railways and started to make incursions into Great lakes shipping, the Gananoque businesmen started lobbying for a railway of their own. They feared that if they didn't get one their town would become a transortation backwater instead of a hub.

The first route proposed by the Montreal and Kingston Railway was to pass 16 km ( 10 miles ) inland from the river. This route effectivly would bypass the ports of Brockville and Gananoque, and was predictably rejected by the businessmen. As a response to this the government gave the Charter to the Grand Trunk, their proposed route ran closer to Kingston and Brockville and therfore appeased the business concerns, the topography of that part of the province still had the line running inland but was only 5 km ( 3 miles ) from Gananoque.

The GTR did however build a station in Gananoque, and it was one of their signature stone edifaces. But the road to it still was for the most part impacable so the town still lobbied for a direct raillink to this station and the Grand Trunk for their merchandice and themselves.

The first glimmer of hope came in 1870 with a proposeal to build a line called the Gannanoque and Rideau from the town warf to the town of Merrickville which was 40km further inland, this line also proposed a branch to Westport farther up the river and a possible ferry link to the American railways at Clayton NY. The line was to be run by the Grand trunk, but paid for with local funding which as usually happened fell short.So this proposal was terminated before it started.

By the early 1880's, the giant lumber firm of A.S. Rathburn, the owner and operator of the Bay of Quinte Railway aquired land along Gananoque's waterfront, and chartered the Thousand Island Railway. They built, the link to the Grand Trunk station themselves.The first train ran the route on Dec, 15 , 1883.

At the junction of the two railways, a small settlement named Cheesebourough grew. here were the rathburn buildings, station,section house and John Thompsons motel. A combined station office and engine house was built at the warf, while a modern passenger plateform was constructed at King St , Gananoque's main thoroughfare.

In 1899, responding to the boom in tourism,The Grand trunk proposed a larger more eleborate station about two and a half km beyond the junction. The new station would measure 50' by 20 ' and would be topped by an octagonal tower above the agents bay window. A large awning would shelter passengers during the peak summer tourist season. Meanwhile an attractive little umbrella station was built to cober passengers waiting at King street

One part of the TIR-GTR agreement was that the TIR had to meet every GT train that stopped at the Junction, a provision that atter helped destroy the line. Nine trains a day operated along the line, and carried more than 45,000 passengers a year.

In 1929 a new station was built at the warf. By this time though however, the highway age had started to occur and the road systems in that part of the province started to improve ( paved ). Bus service was inaugerated along what would later become highway 2, and passenger travel along the TIR plunged to fewer than 7,000 a year by 1931. Although the line lost money nearly every year after that, the TIR wa still required to meet every train arriving at the junction. By the 1950's it was avaraging just one passenger trip a day.

A decade later passenger service ended, and the freight service was reduced to one train a day. In 1970 the warf station was converted to a restaurant, and in 1978 the CN threatened to demoli***he station at the junction. Brushing aside pleas to save the station, a CN official declared " If the building has historic significance ,I'm not aware of it ". Indeed during the 1970's and 80's a dismal era of rampant station demolition, both of Canada'a major railways seemed totally oblivious to the herritage and significance of the country's railway stations.Happily when VIA assumed Canada's rail passenger srevice, it renovated the station and trains still stop there. ( it's on the TO-Montreal corridor )

They are however, no longer met by the trains of the TIR. In 1995 the last industry on the line ended it's rail requirements, and the line was abandonned.

enjoy Rob

[siberianmo]

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[:I] Tommy O’Connor goes to confession and says, "Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned."
"What have you done, Tommy O’Connor?"
"I had sex with a girl."
"Who was it, Tommy?"
"I cannot tell you, Father. Please forgive me for my sin."
"Was it Mary Margaret Sullivan?"
"No, Father. Please forgive me for my sin, but I really cannot tell you who it was."
"Was it Catherine Mary McKenzie?"
"No, Father. Please forgive me."
"Well, then, it has to be Sarah Martha O’Keefe."
"No, Father. Please forgive me."
A minute later, Tommy walks out to the pews, where his friend Joseph is waiting.
"What did ya get?" asks Joseph.
"Five Hail Marys, four Our Fathers, and three good leads." [:I]


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 05:05:52 (359) Barnyard Report ‘n Ad!

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 06:09:04 (359) Bearnan’s Inclusive Gulf Coast Report!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 06:51:37 (359) Thursday’s Info & 12-Post Summary

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 07:42:15 (359) B&O Streamlined sleeping cars

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 10:13:21 (360) Daylight Inclusive Post!

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 10:48:41 (360) Classic Juice #30 – Cornwall Street Railway

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 11:29:49 (360) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(8) BudKarr BK Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 12:05:55 (360) Mountain Report!

(9) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 13:03:03 (360) WVA Report ‘n adieu for awhile!

(10) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 15:04:14 (360) Island Report ‘n then some!

(11) barndad Doug Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 17:22:18 (360) Dots & Dashes ‘n Joke!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 17:46:24 (360) Acknowledgments ‘n Comments

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 17:52:02 (360) for Doug

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 17:59:09 (360) Traction Pix!

(15) pwolfe Pete Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 21:28:31 (360) He’s baaaaaaaaack!

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 21:53:48 (360) [#welcome] back Pete!

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 22:43:11 (360) Count Robulla’s Late Nite Inclusive Post

(18) wanswheel Mike Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 22:46:13 (360) Comment

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 23:24:25 (360) Class Steam #30 – Thousand island Railway



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Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Welcome home Pete, we missed you a bunch and are most delighted you are here safe and sound; a "Hip Hip Hooray" and 3 coruses of "For he's a Jolly Fellow!"[^] Tom, guess what? satrting at 6:00 a.m., I am just now "current" from yesterday's content. That's a big [tup] for a healthy, hearty share of participation and a big [tdn] for my need to "hit the road" immediately.[V] In other words: I gotta went! No time for an "eye opener" either, however, a promisory note that I'll "be back in a flash with a flash" at the earliest possible moment. Lot's a great stuff for plunging into and I hope very, very soon. No Boris, no time for that either...see Y'all a.s.a.p.

[siberianmo]

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[trolleyboy]

A quick good morning Sir Tom, not a whole lot happening yet this am so I'll grab a #3 and an Irish coffee while I go about my B4 work rituals.Kinda looks like we are in for a slooow one here today,mind you i have said that B4 and then it arrives hot and heavy [:O] I liked this mornings humour spot,sounded like something out of SNL. Good picks on the up comming movies, espeacially Blazing Sadles and Fierce Creatures [tup]x5


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay, since this mornings been a bit slow I will insert another Classic steam, I had originally planned not to use this one till monday,but I figured that it will work well on this friday afternoon as well.

CLASSIC STEAM # 28 ONTARIO's DROWNED RAILWAY

Some of the most histroic sections of Canada's most historic railway noe lie below sea level.In 1958 the St Lawrence Seaway's new system of dams and locks between Cardinal and Cornwall was completed.As the watres began to rise, they began to engulf the old locks of the first seaway. This manmade flood also poured into the foundations of the historic Loyalist towns that once harboured the fleeing refugees from the US revolution..This flood then swept away a large portion of Canada's first major railway project, the Grand Trunk.Even though the new seaway was a technical marvel, and a much needed transportation link, it destroyed a nearly 200 years worth of history.

One hundred and two years earlier an equally ambitious scheme was completed, the building of the Grand Trunk Railway. In 1856 trains began running between Montreal and Toronto. In order to more efficiently compete with lake shippers, the builers of the GTR located their stations well back from the shoreline ( often one or two miles from the river and lake ). The cost of bridges and fill which would have been needed for a closer to the shoreline routing was the main factor in this alignment.

Stations were built at intervals of approx six to eight miles from each other along this new line.( depending on the demands of farmers and mill owners along the way )also the needs of the steam locomotives of the day were taken into account as well.Most of these stations were attractive stone structures with shallow pitched roofs and rows of arched windows.Along this route such ststions were built at Prescott, Lancaster,Cornwall, Morrisburg,Lansdown, and Gananoque Junction. A similar but larger one was built at Brockville as Brockville was a major division point at the time.

While most trains were through trains, a local between Brockville and Montreal was inaugurated Oct 16, 1856. Because it was a favourite with the Mohawks of the St Regis reserve near Montreal it was nicknamed the Moccasin

Through the 1950's, as the plans for the new seaway system neared completion, it became evident that the colourfull little riverside communities were doomed, and the railway would need to be relocated. The new route took it even farther from the river, passing primarily through swamps and young forests. The stations that had for a century served the comunities of Iroquois, Morrisburg,Aultsville,Farren's Point,Moulinette and Mille Roches, and Waleswould be replaced by more modern buildings at the "new" communities of Morrisburg, Iroquois, Ingleside, and Long Sault.

While the old GT stations at Moulinette and farran's Point were simple wooden shelters, those at Aultsville,and Milles Roches were larger wooden stations. The wales station was a soliid brick building, while the one at Morrisburg was one of the classic stone ones. The GT station in Cornwall was an expanded version of the original stone stations. While several of these buildings sites were inundated others were not. the original location of the Morrisburg station remained well inland from the new river flood line, yet they removed the building anyway.Similarly, the old stone station at Cornwall, although in no danger of being "drowned" was also replaced with a newer building a few blocks further north.

The five new stations were uniform in style, a mondernistic flat roofed pattern with extensive use of glass and decorative brick. double entery doors with sapcious waiting rooms that had open ticket counters, parcel lockers, and telephone booths.The four "local" sattions at Long sault,Ingleside,Morrisburg,and Iroquois measured about 60' by 20', while the Cornwall station was 150' by 40'. It remains the only one of the five that VIA still stops at. The Morrisburg station still stands but is a private residence now,Iroquois is vacant and vandilized the other two burnt down and are gone.

The old shoreline is still eveident and bits an dpieces of teh old drowned ROW can still be seen if you know where to look and whatv you are looking at.Thes areas remain open to the public as part of the St Lawrence Park's system.


Rob