"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Missouri Pacific for today; and some good material out there already. I almost wound up working for them, but that's another story for another time.

Here's some material from 1932-era MP timetable covering service between St. Lous and "the West." Notice the number of Pullmans, shorts, interline cars etc. Folks today don't realize how many trains added/dropped cars en route.

ST. LOUIS TO WEST

No. 15-105 (St. Louis - Omaha)

Lv. St. Louis 9:00 a.m.
Arr. Omaha 10:00 p.m.

Parlor Car: St. Louis – Kansas City
Parlor Dining Cars: St. Louis – Kansas City; Kansas City – Omaha
De Luxe coaches: St. Louis – Kansas City; Kansas City – Omaha
Oil-burning locomotive: St. Louis – Kansas City

11 “Scenic Limited” (Via Pueblo, Denver, and Salt Lake City)

Lv. St. Louis 2:00 p.m. (SU)
Arr. San Francisco 4:15 p.m. (WE)

St. Louis – Denver Sleeping Car: 10 sections/observation; 10 sections/2 compartments/2 drawing rooms
St. Louis – San Francisco Sleeping Car: 12 section/drawing room/ compartment
Wichita – Pueblo Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Memphis – Pueblo Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Dining Cars
Observation-Lounge service: St. Louis – Denver – Salt Lake City- San Francisco
De Luxe coaches and chair cars
Pueblo – Denver segment operated via D&RGW
Pueblo – Salt Lake City – San Francisco segment operated via D&RGW and WP

19-119 “Sunflower” St. Louis - Coffeeville via Lincoln, Joplin, and Wichita

Lv. St. Louis 4:50 p.m. (SU)
Arr. Coffeyville 7:25 a.m. (MO)

St. Louis – Omaha; Wichita; Joplin; Coffeyville Sleeping Cars:
12 section/ drawing room
St. Louis – Lincoln Sleeping Car: 10 sections/observation
St. Louis – Sioux City Sleeping Car: 16 sections
Kansas City – Downs Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Diner Lounge: St. Louis – Wichita
Reclining Seat Chair Cars: St. Louis – Wichita; Omaha
Chair Car: Rich Hill – Joplin

9-13-109 “Missourian” St. Louis-Denver

Lv. St. Louis 11:59 p.m. (SU)
Arr Denver 3:30 a.m. (TU)

St. Louis – Kansas City Sleeping Cars: 12 sections/drawing room/ compartment; 16 sections
St. Louis – Denver Sleeping Cars: 16 sections (to MP Train 13 @ Kansas City)
St. Louis – Los Angeles Sleeping Car: 8 sections/2 compartments/drawing room
(every 3rd day from St. Louis to ATSF Train 3 @ Kansas City)
Café Lounge: Kansas City – Omaha
Coaches and chair cars
Pueblo – Denver segment operated via D&RGW


WEST TO ST. LOUIS

No. Train Depart Arrive
110-10 “Missourian”

Lv. Los Angeles 6:15 p.m. (SA)
Arr. St. Louis 7:23 p.m. TU)

Lincoln – St. Louis Sleeping Car: 10 sections/observation
Omaha – St. Louis Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Kansas City – St. Louis Sleeping Car: 16 sections
Los Angeles – St. Louis Sleeping Car: 8 sections/drawing room/2 compartments (every 3rd day from San Francisco; from ATSF Train 4 @ Kansas City
Parlor-Diner: Omaha – Kansas City

112-12 “Scenic Limited”
Lv San Francisco 3:00 p.m. (SU)
Arr. St. Louis 4:04 p.m.(WE)

Denver – St. Louis Sleeping Cars: 10 sections/observation; 10 sections/ compartment/drawing room
San Francisco – St. Louis Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room/compartment
Pueblo – Wichita Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Pueblo – Memphis Sleeping Car: 12 sections/drawing room
Dining Car
Observation-Lounge service: San Francisco-Salt Lake City-Denver-St. Louis
De Luxe coaches and chair cars
Denver – Pueblo segment operated via D&RGW
San Francisco – Salt Lake City – Pueblo segment operated via WP and D&RGW

216-16

Lv. Kansas City 1:00 p.m.
Arr. St. Louis 8:20 p.m.

Parlor Car: Kansas City – St. Louis
Parlor Diner: Kansas City – St. Louis
De Luxe Coaches: Kansas City – St. Louis
Oil-burning locomotive: Kansas City – St. Louis


14-220-20 “Sunflower”

Lv Coffeyville 6:10 p.m. (SU)
Arr. St. Louis 7:10 a.m. (MO)

Wichita, Joplin, Coffeyville – St. Louis Sleeping Cars: 12 sections/drawing room
Denver – St. Louis Sleeping Car: 16 sections
Diner-lounge: Wichita – St. Louis
Reclining Seat Chair Cars Wichita, Kansas City – St. Louis
Coach: Joplin – Rich Hill
Coaches: Denver – Kansas City
Denver – Pueblo segment operated via D&RGW

work safe

[coalminer3]

Back again

I figured I'd better break post into two segments.

First, thanks for the wave from the CV engineer. I'm surprised I wasn't in the picture as I spent a LOT of time on the CV back in that timeframe.

Here's some more MP material; from the coal traffic dept. at CM3 Enterprises. Many more fallen flags

Coal Traffic – Missouri Pacific – 1950

Let’s start with a look at MP-served operations in Kansas. Many people don’t think of coal being mined in Kansas, but in 1948 Kansas had 23 deep mines and 42 strip jobs in operation. Many of them were small mines, but a few were larger.

The Missouri Pacific served two of these mines.

Clemens Coal Co. – Clemens No. 22 Mine – Cornell and Pittsburg, KS – MP
Quality Coal Co. – Sheridan No. 21 Mine – Cornell, KS – MP

Other roads shipping coal from Kansas included the SLSF and the MKT.

There were 197 coal mines in Oklahoma.

The Missouri Pacific handled coal from one of these operations.

Broken Aro Coals – Sooner Strip Mine – Oolagah, OK – MP

Other shipping roads in Oklahoma included the MKT, FS&VB (Ft. Smith and Van Buren), ATSF, SLSF, and Rock Island.

There were 44 deep mines and 37 strip operations in Missouri.

Missouri Pacific handled coal from

Fisher Coal Co. – Fisher Mine – Rich Hill, MO – MP

Other Missouri roads serving mining operations included the
B&S (Bevier and Southern), KCS, Wabash, Rock Island, and SLSF.

work safe

[siberianmo]

THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!


PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #81

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Missouri Pacific (MP) from a 1953 advertisement found in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

SI, YOU REALLY SEE MAGNIFICENT

. . . . . MEXICO . . . . .

VIA THE ROUTE OF THE

. . . . . EAGLES . . . . .


MAGIC MEXICO . . .
enjoy its colorful contrasts close-up from the carefree comfort offered b y MO-PAC, route of the famed Eagles . . . the finest and fastest daily train service between the U.S. and Mexico.


MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES Route of the Eagles


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the Bathams and a few dollars for the 12th Fund please.

A great Theme of the Day on which I suppose is now my "local line".[tup][tup][tup].
Started yesterday by DOUG with the Jesse James train robbery at Otterville on the Missouri Pacific about 45 miles west of here.
Another great series.
TOM Interesting history and those photos well.[wow]. It must have been a marvellous time to observed railroads with the E and PA diesels running, the more I see the Es and the PA s the more I appriciate their style.
In the first photo of E3 #7001 at Jefferson City it looks to be at the old station, the present Amtrak station is a short distance to the west., the other side of the Governer's Mansion. The old station is still in use by Union Pacific. It is a pity the MP stopped its passenger traffic early. Those Eagles sound Classic trains.At least we still have the Missouri Mule and the Anne Rutlidge.

Thanks CM3 for the MP passenger and coal info. Coal traffic is still a heavy traffic through here, most of the loaded(eastbound) coal trains appear to be routed by the River Line via Boonville with the empties travelling west via Sedalia. The line through Sedalia seems to handle the other frieght traffic as well as Amtrak. It must have been a long time since the river route was used for Passengers [?].
Slightly[#offtopic] CM3 in the latest Trains Magazine (May) there is an article on the Appalachian & Ohio RR in West Virginia. serving several mines in the area.

MIKE Glad you had fond memories of the News-Reels ours were narrated by a man with a BBC voice. Thanks for the links [tup].

TOM Looked at the Black Sox. Very good info and interesting court case.
All being well, after the chores, I am going to the park by the RR in town.I will try to get some photos( only trouble is it is near Pat's Place Bar.)
PETE.

[LoveDomes]

G’day Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


As always, boss man, great effort with today’s Missouri Pacific submissions! Starting with your Encore of the Fallen Flag entry, to the MP compilation piece and on to the Nostalgia – you’ve covered the bases well. A 5-tup Salute to you, Sir! [tup][tup][tup][tup][tup]

Some nice stuff from Coal-what’s-his-face! and of course a bit o’ something from Doug in between “jokes!”[swg]

I think we’ll make it to page 300 by the time April 12th.[tup]


Today, I thought I’d slip into my “contributor mode” and help a bit with the “theme” – Missouri Pacific, a mighty fine road!


Before doing that – I’ll take a pitcher of R&H and a hero on a hard roll (don’t they all come that way[?]) – make it my “usual” please – ham, swiss, buttAH & mustAHd with two large pickles from the barrel – thank you! Here’s a ten spot for the “Lars Box” . . . [tup]


Ok – time for some nostalgia pix from yesteryear . . .



MP #5308 4-8-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com) (photo: Paul Eilenberger)




MP #1420 2-8-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com) (photo: Paul Stringhamn)




MP #1716 2-10-2 (from: www.yesteryeardepot.com) (photo: Paul Eilenberger)




MP #5341 4-8-2 (from: yesteryeardepot.com) (photo: Harold Van Horne)




One more, barkeep – then I gotta scram outta here. Oh [yeah] Let’s Go Mets! . . . tomorrow[swg]

Good to see ya, Pete – have a Bathams on me![tup]


Until the next time![tup]


Lars

[wanswheel]

Another round for the house Tom
http://img181.exs.cx/img181/5237/mi25b0ay.jpg Grade Crossing Steam loco b&w
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp-e149.jpg Boxcar
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp-menu-asw.jpg Eagle Menu
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp-pass-afsw.jpg Passes
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp-rocbri-asw.jpg Rough Creek Trestle 1895
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp-litsta-awp.jpg Little Rock Station
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp-sansta-acs.jpg San Antonio Station
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp.html many MOPAC pictures
http://www.mpmrr.net/images/bw-eagleend.jpg Observation car photo at http://www.mpmrr.net/
Mike

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Not quite the turnout I had hoped for, however, much appreciation to Wolfman Pete - Lars 'n Mike for stopping by.[tup]

Those Pix should be interesting, Pete - suggest you take them B4 visiting your 2nd favorite watering hole![swg]

Nice URLs - as always - Mike and very well selected for our "theme" day![tup] For anyone who hasn't checked 'em out - you're really missing something special!

Lars I'm becoming more than fan of steam locomotives than ever B4!! Really wonderful looking beasts, eh[?]

CM3 Great two-parter![tup][tup] Lots of good stuff . . . .


Want to give you guys a "heads up" for this weekend. I'm going to be rather scarce and I'm not planning on Posting for lSunday Photo Posting Day! - unless I get a second wind. So, it's up to you guys to keep the place running and at the top of the Forum's page. I will provide the Summaries and perhaps an ENCORE! or two on Saturday, but that's about it . . . .

Okay boyz - one more Theme for the Day! coming up . . . . .

Thanx for the rounds!![tup][tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #82

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Missouri Pacific (MP) from a 1953 advertisement found in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Mo-Pac’s Colorado EAGLE


Points the way to mile-high play . . .

COLROADO . . . magnificent in mile-high splendor . . . offers countless vacation varieties. MO-PAC’s planetarium-domed Colorado Eagle offers you the finest and fastest through service daily from St. Louis to Colorado.

P.S. You’ll want to romp in the Rockies after your restful ride on the Colorado Eagle. Serve yourself . . . hit the vacation trail by rail this year!


MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES Route of the Eagles


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

THEME for the DAY! - THEME for the DAY!

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and gents! I'll have my usual bottomless draught and purchase a round for the house! Pretty good MoPac stuff from our bartender, gentlemen. I'll have to come back to read it all thoroughly. Great contributions from CM3 ...without a doubt. Topped-off with postings from Mike and Lars, it's been a pretty good day I think! Sure wish Al would make an appearance though.

Here's another humble contribution from moi:

From Dec. 1943 Railroad Magazine

Biggest engines ever to enter Missouri Pacific service are fifteen 4-8-4’s now being delivered by the Baldwin Locomotive Works. Measuring 106 feet between coupler faces and tipping the beam at 431 tons without tender, they are dual-service locomotives in every sense of the word, performing equally well as freight haulers between St. Louis and Kansas City, Kan., where they regularly handle trains of up to 125 cars, and on such passenger assignments as the Sunshine, the Texan, and the Hot Springs Special, between St. Louis and Little Rock, Ark.

Reader of Railroad Magazine will recall that some months ago, the Missouri Pacific converted a number of 1900 Class locomotives of the 2-8-4, or Berkshire type into high speed 4-8-4 engines bearing road numbers in the 2100’s. While the new 2200 Class employs the same Northern wheel arrangement, specifications and actual details of construction differ markedly. In design, it is more nearly allied to the Rio Grande’s M-68 Class, whose drawings and patterns were widely used in the construction of the new machines.

This bow to wartime standardization has resulted in the saving of hundreds of man hours, both in the drafting room and locomotive shops. At the same time there has been no compromise with operating conditions peculiar to the Missouri Pacific; WPB sanctioned alterations of certain specifications insuring maximum performance on the Mop’s more level terrain.

Among noteworthy features of design are 76,460-pound engine-bends, cast in one unit at Granite City, across the Mississippi river from St. Louis. Such an item, if purchased over the counter, would carry a price tag of around $18,500.

In addition to having cylinders, valves, brake pedestals, pilot beams and airpumps brackets included as integral parts of the bed, the reverse gear is mounted on a bracket attached to it, instead of being supported by the boiler. With expansion and contraction thus eliminated, more precise control is insured.

All engines are equipped with Timken and SKF roller bearings throughout, and are expected to turn in something like 9,000 miles per month. Specifications, compared with those of the Rio Grande’s M-68 Class as a matter of interest, follow:

Numbers …………...2201-2215
Cylinders ………….26X30
Drivers…………….73
Pressure……...........285
Grate Area…...........106
Engine Weight…… 489,000
Tractive Force ……67,200
Tender Capacity …20 and 19,350

[:I] A high school senior decided to work hard so he could get into Harvard. He finally gets an acceptance letter and goes to visit the campus. He's walking around campus, in awe, and runs into a scholarly gentleman. The kid asks the gentleman, "Excuse me, sir. Could you tell me where the library is at?"
The gentleman scoffs at the kid and says, "We at Harvard, NEVER end a sentence with a preposition!"
The kid backs off a step and says, "OK. Can you tell me where the library is at, A**HOLE!?!" [:I]

Ya'll ready for Pikes Perspective tomorrow?

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Hi Doug Just wanted to acknowledge your Post![tup]

Been a long day taking care of my "chores" and automobiles. Long day, indeed.

I'm NOT ready for anything tomorrow other than to enjoy what the rest of YOU provide![swg]

Loved that joke - in fact that's MY kinda humor!<grin>

Good spread on the MoPac steam loco's . . . . appreciate the support for the "theme!"
By the by, I received an Email from 20 Fingers Al and he assures me that he'll be here on the 12th - he's even taking some vacation time (a couple of hours) to ensure his presence. Things at the tax office are that busy . . . .

Leon the Night Man! takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)

Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[jlampke]

Evenin' Gents, an Absolute & grapefruit for me, and a round for all the "Uncles" in the house, including, of course, Mentor Village's own "Uncle Tom".
I'll have to keep this short. Just wanted to say that the picture of the Lego train was in response to Rob's question about the new Lego trains sporting the American or the Euro look.
Also, thank you CM3 & Pete, and everyone else, for the congrats on the new baby boy. Actually, Rob, I was thinking more along the lines of an Engineer's hat. In fact I did think about it before taking and sending the picture, but I don't have one here in Korea, and I don't have the time to look right now.
Doug, very interesting stuff on the tunnels and the Jesse James story. In fact, I grew up about 3 miles as the crow flies from the longest RR tunnel in Oregon, located on the SP line from Eugene to Coos Bay. I'd like to get up there and get pictures one of these days. If I remember correctly, it was completed in 1911.
As an aside, Korea is really growing, in terms of construction of highways and rail lines. Their new high speed rail line from Pusan to Seoul is a pretty impressive piece of work. Some very long tunnels and bridges. It's been in service about a year now, I think. I'll take a ride on it next time I'm here. Too busy right now. Shows though, what a government can do, depending on their priorities, if they want to.

Well, I've got a lot of studying to do over the next couple weeks and will be moving around some too, so I'll "see" you all on the 12th.

John

[Anonymous]

Hello Tom and gang. I'll throw in my cap and then order a Killian's Red Irish Ale. Good to see OUR PLACE is still cooking along as the one year mark approaches. Things are ok down here in Springfield and the Midland is gearing up for another season. We lost our main locomotive late last season with a aux gen burnout so we'll try to patch the RS3 together and use the NW2.
Now that our pc will finally load up, I will be back more and it's glad to see everyone and some new to me faces. Cheers!

[siberianmo]

Well, I'll be . . . . . is that really YOU, Dan[?][?] Where in the world have you been and what have you been doing[?] Sure has been a long, long time!

Leon give the man a dirnk on me![tup]

Not only new faces 'round the place, but many new features being Posted since you were a "regular." Pretty much still follow the "rules of the bar," which you never had any difficulties with![swg]

Hope those health issues have cleared up and that all's well![tup]


jlampke John Good to see you too! Thought we'd get you "out" on Sunday as I did Post those Pix you requested and also repeated the B'day Watch List for ya. Understand the studying - but that can be a draaaaaaaaaag - one must come up for air now 'n then. PLUS - if you don't know "it" by now, fugedaboudit![swg]


Dan You've got a "bunch" of pages to catch up on and I hope you can at least get the "good stuff" absorbed B4 our April 12th celebration. Check the SUMMARIES and the "special Posts" - been lots of interesting contributions.


From the "For what it's worth department" - this adivce was Posted once or twice on this Thread:

When using the "edit" feature for a Post, you should keep in mind that once edited, that particular Post comes up "first" until someone else submits theirs. The problem is when someone makes an "edit" of a Post that has resided on the Thread for hours - or even days. That comes up as #1 and directs the viewer to whatever Page the edited Post happens to be. Really messes things up. What to do[?] Go ahead and make the edit - but Post something immediately afterward - then your new Post will be numero uno. Get it[?] Another alternative is to avoid editing "old" Posts and just submit a new one.

Hey Doug! I see the Sox have botched their "perfect" season![swg]

Okay boyz, that's it for me![zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[jlampke]

Evenin' again. I see Rob's present. Barkeep, and round for me and Rob, please.
I almost forgot to wish Lars a late Happy B-day, so let me do that now.
Fair winds and following seas in your retirement, Lars! [bday] [bday]

John

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon and all the rest of you hiding in the pool room. I must of coarse apologise for not being around yesterday, I mangaed to pick up a 24 hour montezuma's revenge of one sort or the other. If I wasn't in bed flat on my back I was sitting up if you know what I mean [:I][:O] I'm better now though so a round of Keith's for all those interested.[tup][swg]

Tom Wonderfull stuff on your local road today,really good info. i'm knida glad that you posted the classic pictures as opposed to a shot of the gawd awfull herritage unit. None of the ones'I've seen photo's off had done much for me I must say. The PA's on the other hand my typr of locomotive fer sure fer sure [tup][:D] I see that the MP was one of the very few to purchase the PA3. Same as the rest except for one important thing, they came equipped with the 251 prime mover instead of the usual 244's of the earlier marks.

Dan Great to see you sir, your locomotive insites and information has been greatly missed around here. i'm gla dto hear that we may see more of you [tup]

Mike Neat url's sir. I haven't purused them all but the s few I have at this point all are quite nice. I'm glad that I've been able to increas your geographical knowledge.Since the Niagara Peninsula was my home turf at least for my first 30 years I tend to know my way around it. i'm just glad that i didn't bore you to death with it.

Doug I loved the last tunnel post from you the other day, also to answer your question . No we don't have that rotary. It was scrapped by the NS&T the year that photo was taken. They had purchased it second hand from a defunct midwestern interurban in the late 30's. Apparently it never got much use. They had purchased it to fight snow on their interurban district between Port Colbourne & Thorold as it wasn't suitable for the city line in St Catharines or Niagara Falls. It was built by Ruggles car in the late 1920's. Today's MP stuff was also quite good sir. [tup]

Pete Like you I love the old PA's far better than the E's ( sorry Tom ) I'm just an Alcophile what can I say [:D] I don't think that St catharines will be building anymore of those locomotives. They were shipped down from London as "Kit's" to be assembled there due to the large SD70 orders London was turning ( still is ) For Union Pacific and BNSF.There wasn't room for that 8 unit order on London's errecting floor. As I had suspected before that Old Ferranti packard plant has been purchased and will soon be torn down likely for stripmalls and condo's. it's a st catharines thing, drive out stinky well paying factory jobs and replace them with donut shop and retail jobs. they really have become a bedroom comunity for Toronto.

CM3 & Lars Some fine ontopic stuff from you two gents today as well all and all a good day for info at the bar I would say. 2 [tup] for all of you fine folks.

John I figured that you would have been on top of an engineer's cap for the little guy. Also nice Lego trains, I'm guessing that it's you that plays with them a bit more when you are home at least. [;)]

Catch everyone soon.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good evening again folks. I didn't have much to offer in the MP vein other than the few passing comments I had made earlier. So now that the bulk of the theme posts have moved along I figured that I would tempt you all with another new piece.[;)][:D] It's been a while , but this well hasn't completely run dry yet.

CLASSIC JUICE # 24 HAMILTON"S ELECTRIC LINES

Despite being Ontario's second largest city. Hamilton is largely forgotten in the rail,industry, yet the raiway history in Hamilton is long and verried and viable. This piece will attempt to show the highlights of Hamilton's lost electric railway heritage.Hamilton was the centre of one of canda's most extensive system of radial electric lines, known locally as the "Cataract". In 1896 the Cataract was first incorporated as the Cataract Power Company to develope hydro-electric power from the cataract at Decew Falls near St Catharines. In 1903 it changed it's name to Hamilton Cataract Light and Traction Company, and brought the separatly operatingradial systems in the area under one corporate banner.

In 1907 they built a four story terminal building in downtown Hamilton on the corner of Catharine and King streets, this building also served as the head office for the various rail lines in the network, and as such was considered the only "grand" station in Canada built exclusivly for the use of radial electric lines.

From this terminal line radiated out from Hamliton easterly to Vineland,southwesterly to Brantford,northwesterly to Dundas,and northeasterly to Oakville.Plans were to expand right to Lake Erie and down south to St Catharines and to Guelph and Toronto. However other jurisdictions and the roads and buses ended these plans. By the late 30's cars and busses had replaced the these electric radial lines.Many indeed say today that with all this infrastructure lost as most of these lines were running on private ROW's imagine how much less gridlock & polluition would plague southern Ontario's roads and highways, had the shortsitedness of ending this form of wide ranged transportation not been so quickly killed off !

Short synopsis of each line now follow. This is part 1. Part 2 will follow.

The Hamilton & Dundas Street Railway Company: Hamilton to Dundas

One of Canada's oldest street railways was the Hamilton & Dundas. It began in 1876 using a device known as a dummy engine. Because many residents(and their horses ) objected to steam engine puffing down the middle of the street,the railway placed the steam locomotive inside the bidy of a streetcar. Which pulled a trailer behind it.This worked well for two decades until 1897 when the line was electrified.

It's route took it from Hatt and Foundery Streets in Dundas, along Hatt St. to Dundas St ,then along Dundas Creek, through Ainslie woods into Hamilton via Aberdeen, Queen,Charlton,Mcnab and Main St's. In the beginning it ended at the GT station on Ferguason,then used the new Terminal station once it was built in 1907.

At it's peak, they would run half hour service.By 1923 bus competition became too much and the service ws ended.Some portions of the trackage were taken over by the TH&B, while the Hamilton Street Railway assumed control of the in city portions of the track.

Hamilton Grimsby & Beamsville Electric Railway Co: Hamilton to Vineland

In 1894 when the radials began running between Hamilton and Grimsby, the HGB became Canada's first major electrified radial railway line. In 1896, it was extended to Beamsville where a single stall car house was built, with a small passemger waiting room attached.For a few yearsn it operated as far as Vineland,anticipating a further expansion to St Catharines. However the municipal council of St Catharines,refuded to front the cash for the necessary bridge to cross twelve mile creek, so the Vineland portion of the line was scrapped.

Many radials carried passengers and freight the HGB was no exception as it had access to the fruitlands between Hamilton and Beamsville.Both the GT and TH&B had connections to the HGB: GT's was at Winnona, and the TH&B's was at their Kineer yard ontop the escarpment in Hamilton. Produce was transfered physically from HGB cars to those of the steam railway's,later the larger HGB cars would pull one or two refer's behind them.

From the new downtown terminal which the HGB began using in 1907, it's route took it along Main St to Sherman, then along Trolley ( now Gage St ) to Lawrence, then east on Lawrence to Bartonville. Here it switched to private ROW to Red Hill, and then back to what's now HWY 8 all the way to Beamsville.Station stops were made at Bartonville,Stoney Creek,Fruitland,Smith's ( site of busy cannery now ED Smith )Winnona,Pattisons,Grimsby,Grimsby Beach,and then the car barn/station at Beamsville.Most of the stations were small leanto type flagstops or located inside an existing line side building.

Like alot of radials it was involved in speacial recreational excurisions;"blossom speacials, trips to Grimsby Beach, and Grimsby Park etc. By 1927, Catract started using busses on some of this route, and following the takeover by Ontario Hydro commission on 1931 the bus line was sold to Grey Coach and this part of the electric line was shut down.

End of Part one.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Hey John nice to se ya in again. Right back at ya. We must keep tilla full and Cashinator happy. This way we have a nice big warchest built up for the big bash on the 12th.
I'm guessing that you are up for a feeding,coarse your time is much different then mine here in SW Ontario, it's likely tomorrow and breakfast where you are. Enjoy the early eyeoppener anyway.[:D][swg]

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay Part 2 (before carpal tunnel takes over ) also Tom need's to have some breakfast reading in the morning since he's taking it easy tomorrow and reading the rest of our contributions.

CLASSIC JUICE # 25 HAMILTON'S RADIAL's PT 2

This is the next part covering the other two radial or interurban lines that fell under the auspices of the Cataract Traction Co. I will do a part three aat a later date covering the HSR or Hamilton Street Railway, the city streetcar system thast was part of this conglomeration. Interestingly enough the HSR is still called the HSR today right down to the logo's on their all diesel bus transportation fleet of today.

Hamilton Radial Electric Railway : Hamilton to Oakville

This railway was the brainchild of John Patterson, his vision in 1893 was to build a radial electric network of 360km's (227 miles )linking Hamilton,Toronto,Niagara Falls,and even Woodstock and London.The first rails were laid in 1893 starting at James St in Hamilton to Hamilton Beach ( now Stelco on Burlington Bay ). In 1895, when the hoped for partner CPR pulled out of the plan, the ambitious scheme was cut back a tad,okay more than a tad. By 1898 it was only built as far as Burlington,and in 1905 to Oakville.

From Hamilton the route went along James street, then Gore and Wilson (hwy 2 ) and Sherman St.Where it then took a private ROW which paralled Sherman street. It then paralleled Barton St to Hamilton Beach.From there it ran alongside the GT entering Burlington at Maple St. In Burlington it ran along Elgin,James, and New St to Oakville where New St becomes Rebecca St and Randell Rd. This area is now called Lakeshore Road old hwy 2 and runs right into Lakeshore Ave in Toronto , all along the shore of Lake Ontario,you can drive this ROW today .

Even in the 1920's some of the plans to expand this line continued. In an era when streetcars were rapdily being replaced by busses,the HRE still envisioned a line extending from oakville to Port Credit and on into Toronto. Track was indeed laid along side the GT/CNR.The scheme finally collapsed in 1925,with the HRE cut back from Oakville to Port Nelson.

The HRE's main facilities included a 17 stall carbarn in Burlington and a steam power plant on Burlington Beach.Separate wood stations were built on Hamilton Beach,in Oakville,and in Burlington.The latter was built in 1927 and served as a hydro office and store after the line quit in 1931.The Oakvill station still surves today as a restuarant, the Beach station survived till 1980 when it was torn down for condos, the powerhouse was used for the city until 1947 when it was torn down. The carbarns servived as a busbarn in Burlington until 1962.

Oddly enough this line ws rebuilt and moved slightly in land in the late 60's and continues on as Go transits busy lakeshore line, running commuter trains 7 days a week between Hamilton and Toronto Union Station.

The Brantford and Hamilton RY : Hamilton to Brantford

Of all of the radial lines from Hamilton,thios one most resembled a regular railway.It ran accross country and for most of it's route travelled on a private ROW.First proposed in 1896 , it ws not started or open till 10 years later.It's opem route allowed for higher rates of speed and larger more comfortable cars.

It's route took it from the terminal station in downtown Hamilton and west on Main st to Hess, where it headed south to Aberdeen. From Queen and Aberdeen it started on its private ROW and began to climbing the limestone face of the escarpment ( known locally as Hamilton Mountain ).Half way up the mountain was Sanitorium Station ( mental hospital there tpdays McMaster Hospital ), past this station it beagn to climb the cliff face. Today this is the route of HWY 403. Views of todays drivers were once enjoyed by the passengers of highspeed electric streetcars.The view was of feilds and forests not todays condo's and malls.[tdn]

Along the line stations were at ,Jame's St ( UPPER )Alberton,Summit,Langford,Cainsville,amd Mowhawk Park.The line terminated at the Bi-level station built by the Lake Erie and Northern in 1915 in downtown Brantford . ( Today;s Brantford Casino occupies this spot ) In 1925 the line almalgamated with the HRE and ran through trains from Burlington to Brantford.

After the auto age arrived in the early 20'sthe line began to operate at a loss. Following the start up of throuhg bus servicce the ridership on the electric cars declined by half.In 1930 the HEPC bought out all the Hamilton Radials and instituited system wide bus runs. By 1931 service was ended on the HBG.

After the shutdown some of the cars were aquired by canda Crused stone of Dundas and were used till the electric portion of Canada Stone ended in 1971. None were preserved. The HGB ROW was torn up by 1935.All station were demolised at the same time ecept for Brantfords LE&N station which the Lake Erie and Northern continued to use till it ended service in 1955. Then it too waqs torn down. The sight remained dormant till the late 80's when Brantford started to build a telephone museum on site which never took off , it then became the Brantford Charity casino which still operates today.

For more Hamilton and Brantford info see the original Classic Juice on it #4 on page 134.

Rob

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and friends! I'll have 2 light breakfasts and another one for Dan if he shows up! Sure was good to see him back! Nice Hamilton posts Rob. Too bad you don't have that rotary. We sure don't have anything like it at IRM. I was wondering how effective those two little propellers really were at snow removal.

Well, here's my humble Pike offering for the morning:

A Moo-ving Experience in Lionelville! Allan W. Miller Vintage Rails jan/feb 98


Introduced a year earlier, Lionel’s Operating Milk Car shared top action-car category billing in the 1948 consumer catalog, joined by its bovine-related cousin, the Operating Cattle Car.


Got milk? In the mythical and imagination-inspired town of Lionelville, the residents not only have ample access to “nature’s most nearly perfect food,” they can have it delivered to them fresh – on demand – courtesy of the most popular operating car ever to ply the rails of the Lionel Lines.

That car is Lionel’s renowned Operating Milk Car, celebrating its 50th anniversary this year. Since its introduction in 1947, many thousands of these modified refrigerator cars in their various road name incarnations have tossed what, by now, surely amounts to millions of tiny milk cans onto, over, and around trackside platforms in Lionelville’s environs.

The original No. 3462 Operating Milk Car and Platform marked the first attempt by Lionel to emulate, in miniature, a human-involved activity that once occurred in somewhat similar fashion on prototype railroads across the nation. Here’s how it worked: Milk cans were pre-loaded by the operator into a hatch at one end of the special refrigerated milk car’s roof; a series of guides insured that the cans would be routed to the proper position for subsequent automatic unloading. The loaded car was then sent on its way with the rest of the train, its final destination being a specially designed unloading platform positioned alongside the track. Then, each time an operator-activated remote control button was depressed, the doors of the car would swing open, and a little figure (in dairy-white uniform) appeared to move out of the car, transporting a single milk can out onto the platform. When the remote control button was released, the “worker” re-entered the car, the doors closed, and the action could be repeated, or the train could proceed to its next destination.

Of course, that is how it was all supposed to work! In reality, the Operating Milk Car did not always function quite so smoothly or reliably. If everything was not loaded, aligned, or adjusted properly, the results might easily give new meaning to the term “spilt milk.” As often as not, the nattily attired milk car attendant did not carry cans to the waiting platform – he literally threw them, and in all directions! Just as often he would emerge from the car without any can in hand, even after repeated tries. And, even though the milk cans themselves were bottom-heavy (earliest versions were even magnetized) to help them stand upright, they frequently landed on their sides. But finicky as the car’s mechanism may have been, this item quickly became the single most popular member of Lionel’s ingenious and ever-expanding operating-car fleet – a status it has retained for half a century.

Indeed, the Operating Milk Car heralded a long array of action-oriented cars that, on command from electrical impulses relayed to a special remote control track section, caused cargo to be loaded and/or unloaded. And what diverse cargo it was, encompassing everything from barrels, coal logs, crates, and pipes to horses, cattle, and just about anything else that an industrious young Lionel engineer saw fit to place on or in the cars. Virtually anything handled in real life by the prototype railroads could, at some point in Lionel’s long history, also be handled in quasi-realistic fashion by operating cars and trackside accessories featured in the toy maker’s “wish book” consumer catalogs.

Inspiration for the Operating Milk Car did not come from either the individual of collective creative genius of those who labored in Lionel’s engineering department. Instead, it was the brainchild of a carpenter-***-tinkerer named Richard G. Smith.Toy train historian and author Ron Hollander, in his book All Aboard: The Story of Joshua Lionel Cowen and His Lionel Train Company, notes the Smith delighted in fashioning various types of operating toy train cars and accessories from materials he found laying around his shop. He would tinker with scraps of sheet metal, pipe, or virtually anything else at hand; and this almost compulsive experimentation led to a number of patented inventions that, as early as 1938, were being acquired not only by Lionel, but also by Lionel’s chief competitor, A.C. Gilbert’s American Flyer Lines.

According to Hollander’s account, Smith, in the process of concluding a deal with Lionel for his new invention, very nearly made a blunder that would have cost him dearly. Accustomed to selling his creations outright to the client, the inventor had previously received one-time cash payments for his devices. On this occasion, however, Joshua Lionel Cowen offered Smith a royalty arrangement: 2 percent of the wholesale price for each car sold, coupled with a modest cash advance to be recouped from the royalties. After pondering the agreed-to arrangement, Smith apparently developed some second thoughts. He returned the signed contract to Cowen, accompanied by a letter expressing doubts about the wisdom and integrity of the deal. Chastened by this affront to his credibility, Cowen fired off an immediate response to set things straight. It worked, and in 1952 alone, Smith’s royalties totaled some $20,000 for the circa 180,000 Operating Milk Cars manufactured in that year.

Commencing in 1947, Lionel launched into an ambitious program that included both the Operating Milk Car and a growing assortment of other action-oriented cars that not only “did something,” but which performed their intended gyrations his “human” assistance, simulated by small plastic figures mounted inside, or on, the cars themselves. Freight cars equipped with this human-action feature – something of a hallmark of the Lionel fleet – quickly became the most popular rolling stock items in Lionel’s inventory, and they remain so to this day.

Lionel also manufactured several other operating cars and accessories which, though not directly related to the Operating Milk Car, mesh nicely with the dairy theme, including an Operating Cattle Car, complete with corral and a herd of what appear to be beef steer (but which imagination can easily convert to dairy cattle), and an operating icing station accompanied by a special refrigerator car capable of receiving the ice blocks.

< more to follow later tonight >

[:I] Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing.
He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed."
"OH NO!" the president exclaims. "That's terrible!"
His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the president sits, head in hands. Finally, president looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?" [:I]

[siberianmo]

from: www.viarail.ca


We open at 6 AM. (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Tuesday has arrived and time to enjoy a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from the Menu Board, a pastry of two from The Mentor Village Bakery, and some freshly ground and brewed coffee! What are you waiting for[?][tup]


Daily Wisdom

A crooked tree will never straighten its branches.[swg]


”Our” Place” ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION is Wednesday, April 12th!


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – Illinois Central arrives next Tuesday!

* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


This weekend will be a bit “different” in that I will be rather scarce . . . . so it will be up to all of you to keep this Thread going and at the top of the Forum page! I will provide the Summaries and perhaps a few ENCORE! pieces – but I’m not planning much more.


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Comedy Corner

Why Men Shouldn’t Take Messages:

Someone from the Gyna Colleges called.
They said the Pabst Beer is fine.

P.S. I thought you didn’t like beer??


How Men Get Into Trouble . . . .

A husband was in big trouble when he forgot Valentine's Day.

His wife told him, "Tomorrow there better be something in the driveway for me that goes from zero to 200 in a couple of seconds."

The next morning the wife found a small package in the driveway.
She opened it and found a brand new bathroom scale.

Funeral arrangements for the husband have been set for this Saturday.


And . . . . . .

I feel like my body has gotten totally out of shape, so I got my doctor's permission to join a fitness club and start exercising. I decided to take an aerobics class for seniors I bent, twisted, gyrated, jumped up and down, and perspired for an hour. But, by the time I got my leotards on, the class was over!


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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre

NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, April 2nd thru 8th: Eight Men Out (1988) starring: Jace Alexander, John Cusack & Gordon Clapp – and – Field of Dreams (1989) Kevin Costner, Burt Lancaster & James Earl Jones. SHORT: The Big Idea (1934).


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 05:21:13 (293) [blue]Tuesday’s Info & Summary[/navy]

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 05:25:03 (293) RR from Yesteryear – Ad

(3) wanswheel Mike Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 05:49:34 (293) AM comments & URLs

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 05:50:17 (293) MoPac Theme! – 2 jokes, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 08:08:29 (293) Theme - ENCORE! Fallen Flag – MoPac

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 08:14:33 (293) Acknowledgments

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 09:00:03 (293) RR from Yesteryear – Missouri Pacific

(8) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 10:43:02 (293) Theme & stuff!

(9) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 10:47:40 (293) more Theme!

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 12:21:23 (293) Theme – Nostalgia #81 MoPac Ad (1953)[/maroon

(11) pwolfe Pete Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 15:37:12 (293) Wolfman Howls!

(12) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 16:02:00 (293) Theme Pix! etc.

(13) wanswheel Mike Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 17:33:36 (293) Theme URLs!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 18:41:09 (293) Acknowledgments, etc.

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 18:43:39 (293) Theme – Nostalgia #82 MoPac Ad (1953)

(16) barndad Doug Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 18:50:37 (293) [maroon]Theme – MoPac steam locos, etc.

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 19:42:17 (293) reply to Doug, etc.

(18) jlampke John Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 20:22:00 (293) Comments

(19) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 20:25:27 (294) is that really you??

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: Today, 21:21:36 (294) Acknowledgments, etc.

(21) jlampke John Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 21:45:14 (294) etc.

(22) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 21:57:02 (294) Inclusive Post, etc.

(23) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 22:49:24 (294) CLASSIC JUICE # 24 HAMILTON"S ELECTRIC LINES

(24) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 23:50:41 (294) CLASSIC JUICE #24, part II

(25) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 04 Apr 2006, 22:58:33 (294) etc.



That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Much interesting MP material yesterday.

Dan visited - "who'da thunk it?"

A little for Pike Perspectives: Barndad's post of the stock car and milk car brought back some memories. I think I mentioned the milk car a couple of weeks ago, but I forgot abt. the livestock car until the catalog picture kicked that one forward.

Let's talk abt. a couple of other Lionel pieces. How many out there remember the section car that Lionel produced. It was not a handcar but more on the order of a speeder. It reversed when it bumped into an obstruction. IIRC, it also had a rider on it who turned as the car reversed. I had one of these.

Now, if I remember, Lionel also had a trolley - sort of looked like a shrunken Brill car. Maybe I am thinking of something else, but I think I recall such an offering. I am sure our traction dept. can address this one.

A little while ago, there was a post with a picture of a Lionel "City Station." This brought back memories of a couple of other station-type structures that they offered. One was an operating freight station where barrels moved in anod out of a structure. There was also a station platform which had advertising posters, etc. on it; this reminded me of some of the New Haven stations in the electrified zone which had advertising and posters for Broadway shows. I always enjoyed seeing those while heading down to New York. Also, IIRC, Lionel produced a moder looking yard tower with an ersatz PA system. I remember seeing these in the stores, but never owned one. One item I wish I had acquired was the gateman/shanty; this was a classic, but, as I said earlier, I was into the signalling and operationsl side of things and built a lot of my own structures.

Well, I'd better get out of here. Am working on material for April 12 - just a week away.

work safe

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Gents!

Mid-week in mid-continent USA; petrol was $2.47 (rounded) yesterday up at "Collusion Corner," weather forecast is looking rather grim for this evening and tomorrow. Severe stuff on the way and one forecaster said this round could be worse than what we experienced over the weekend. <uh-oh!>

Got a kick out of the Lionel milk car write up from Doug. I never had one, although for a time a childhood buddy of mine and I combined our Lionel trains up in his attic. He had that car and it was fun to operate. We were about 11 or 12 at the time and had quite a set up. Three trains operating and all kinds of "stuff" with wires everywhere. His dad was a carpenter and built us a great trestle. Shortly thereafter - with the help of a couple of 2" firecrackers, we blew the dickens out of the trestle, with a train passing through, and that was the end of the combined layouts![:O] I think somewhere on these pages I've told this story B4. Anyway, no harm to the engine and cars as they plummeted to the surface below. The noise sent shock waves throughout the house - his mom came "unglued" - the dog barked furiously - and we laughed and laughed until we realized what kind of trouble we were in![:O]

I had one of those passenger platforms with the ads on it that CM3 mentioned. Also, that Lionel city station was Posted by me on a Sunday Photo Posting Day! Only thing "funky" about it were the white "Christmas lights" on either side of the front doors. They surely cudda done better . . . Your reference to the stations along the way of the NH's electrified really brought back some vivid memories for me. As I've stated B4 - I had a 6 month period where I took the train between New London, CT and Grand Central Terminal (weekends). Those platforms really were something to look at, especially on the Sunday night runs in the dark. That's where I saw Marilyn Monroe standing in the falling snow waiting for the southbound as I "imagined" all kindsathings sitting in the coach of the northbound. Window seat, of course!![swg]

Oh [yeah] as a service to our customers - "ersatz" means fake, unreal, etc.[swg]

Thanx for the late nite appearance and Posts, Count Robulla! We KNOW you are "out there," just never know when you'll drop in![tup] Glad to hear that you've overcome whatever ailed ya![tup] I agree with you about those Alco PA's fine looking machines, fer sure, fer sure! I also like the EMD E8's too . . . [tup]

It was good to see earlydiesels Dan 'n jlampke John again and let's hope they'll be a bit more frequent with their visits.[tup]

Okay guys, time again to resume the mid-week acitvities that make retired life so grand!

Thanx to all who bought rounds and quarters for Herr Wurlitzer's Coal Scuttle from CM3!!

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[trolleyboy]

Morning Tom, and all the ships at sea.[:D] Nice to see a few in soooo early this morning[;)].Could I get one breakfast and a large OJ with a small stack of waffles on the side please,hopefully with real maple syrup as well.[dinner][:p]

Tom Or should I call you Gomaz[?][:D][:-^] Interesting story about the use and abuse of those fine, classic ooperating Lionel cars. Even if ou had told that story B4 it's just as funny the second go around.I am over what I had, thank-you. Someone please tell Boris to stop sprayimg me with disinfectant please. [alien] I can remember several such operating or pseudo operating cars from tyco in the early 70's as well. They usually ended up firing live coal loads or large plastic logs everywhere but in their desired locations as well.

Doug Nice story on those cars sir, I can see my uncles milk car doing exactly what you described to this day. I learn't some of my most colourfull language that way,like "darn" and "oh my" etc. [:-^][:I] It was too ba dabout thta rotary, those type of car weren't all that common up here,from what I understand not that common stateside either.If it had survived 5 years longer our musuem may have attempted to save it,but at the time the NS&T was still a viable system not shutting down electrically at least till 1961,6 years after the scrapping.[sigh]We also had no plac eto put it at the moment as the construction of our siight was only in it's beginning stages at the time.Most shots I ahve seen of those type of plows had them with just one blade on both ends not two on each like in this iinstance, I have no idea how well it would have worked,I would imagine fairly well as each "blade" aooarently had it's own 50hp electric motor.Glade that you enjoyed last nights typing fest as well[^].

CM3 Good morning to you today too sir. I think the trolley car you wree wondering about was called the Lionel #60 car. Usually it's yellow,kinda had the look of a small single truck birney,with a definatly squished proportion to it. You see them selling for crazy amounts on ebay all the time. I understand that over the years Lionel has put out several different Lionel Lines trolley cars of double and single truck types. As of late the manufacterur that is not liked to be named on this forum MTH has put out 4 or 5 two and three rail trolley's as well.You may remeber the Corgi PCC's done in O guage as well, beautifull kits, same series as their high detail busses as well. Customtraxx now makes a two or three rail powering kit for these all mounted in a new set of trucks, so one does not have to disturb the well done interior details in the cars.


Rob

[trolleyboy]

A bit of pikes perspectives from me today as well. Keeping in the vein of old but still with us manufacterurs, how many of you remeber labelle woodworking. Makers of HO and O scale car kits. They make interurban and freight motor(express) cars in both HO and O and they make a finely detailed line of old style wooden passenger cars also in HO and O. Recently they have added narrow guage frieght cars and passemger cars to their catalogue as well. New owners are running them now,out Cheyanne way now but the kits are still with us, still done in ( now laser cut ) bass wood.

I'm told that they atre not for the feint of heart but once that they are completed you have a very nice car which of coarse you can detail the dickens out of. Powering kits are available for the interurbans,they even make a small brill gas powered self rpopelled railcar in HO scale now as well. Look them up on the web. http://www.labellemodels.com/

Anyone remember Globe models, the first manufacturer to go with plastic in the 50's. I'm not sure how extensive of a line they made but they came out wht F units in the mid fifties. Tooling I understand went to Athearn and are still used today for their bkuebox F units ! The hobbyshop in my hometown St Catharines On has three or 4 of them on display ( not for sale ) still including their original cartons. One's painyed in an all yeloow UP scheme ( no grey ) the other 's are the undecorated bakelite plaastic in a gold finish,neat to look at.

Rob

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Noon in mid-continent USA - got some outside 'stuff' taken care of - beautiful "short sleeves" day. Spring is nice - but oh so changeable![swg]

Good to see you in the DAYLIGHT - doesn't that hurt those eye-slits, Count Robulla[?][swg]

Check these out for some Nostalgia connected with your comments on "Pike Perspective's Day!"

Globe Models - A Unit


Globe Models - B Unit


I never heard of this manufacturer until you mentioned them. Then again, my entry into HO came in 1964 with a TYCO freight set (PRR), followed up a year later with another TYCO - passenger set (NH). They are both now "retired" in one of my wall mounted display cases down in the Can-Am Trainroom.

Catch ya later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled!

A round of cheer for those who come in this afternoon! Also, a Southern Comfort on the rocks for me and a glass of white wine for my lady![tup]

We have had quite the week away, with yet another ahead. I want you to know that we have arranged our schedule to permit my presence at the One Year Annivesary Celebration of the bar! Believe me, that is most unusual for the likes of me. There have been times where the only adjustments I would consider would be for my wrist watch! Times and have changed.[swg]

While I have not had the opportunity to review the individual pages since my last visit (and I see there are many!) it appears that all is well, in spite of any occasional protestation.<smile> Your summary pages indicate a rather steady stream of contributors, although yours are nearly always twice the number of the aggravate. I can understand why at times you require time away.

Nice work to all for the Sunday photo spread and descritpions.[tup]

As you all know, I am hardly one to rely upon for hobby related information. I have given about as much as I possible can in past attempts to participate in this "Pike Perspectives" event. So, I must sit the remainder out. I do enjoy the efforts of those of you who share those memories, articles and photos with us.[tup]

Mnay years ago I rode the Missouri Pacific from St. Louis to Denver on their "Eagle" train. It was something I did pretty much on a spur of the moment urge. Had some time to kill and decided that rather than wait it out in a hotel at either end, I would take the train. It was a pleasant enough experience, although if I recall, we were late getting in - killed TOO MUCH time![swg]

From what I have gathered, the forward momentum for the April 12th gala continues. My efforts to assist in getting a few guys back resulted in only one positive response, which was forwarded to Lars. I have had no success in contacting Chris - Russell or Gunns. I did take note of the return of Dan - Mike & John. So, perhaps it does pay to "advertise!"

Just read a disturbing 'white paper' on the water situation for Alberta Province. It is projected that the prairie regions are going to be hard hit in the upcoming years - perhaps for a decade - with severe water shortages. These periods of drought, which we are already experiencing in western Canada, are projected to be so bad as to turn areas into desert-like conditions. It is easy to feel removed from it all up here in the mountains, but the snow fall really has not been anything close to normal, nor are the lakes as deep nor the rivers and streams quite the same. A changing world indeed.

Captain Tom it is time for another round and then we must take our leave.

BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada's high country!

[LoveDomes]

G’day Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

Following in my “bookend’s” steps, a round for the house![tup] Put the ten spot in the “Lars Box” and I’ll take a JD on the rocks. Nothing to eat, thanks! Nice to see ya back at the bar, BK!


Two in a row without much to offer for the “hobby lobby” day.[swg] As with BK I’m pretty well drained of material. In cleaning out the basement, I wound up having to jettison box loads of old magazines which were totally encased in mildew and mold. In a couple of those containers were my RR mags from my seagoing days. No reason to shed a tear, I haven’t looked at them since they were stored away and stowed in the bilges. Just stuff, and Lord or Lord do we have lots of that![swg]


I spent a bit of time checking those electric trains – 2 Lionel and 2 AF. They didn’t escape the ravages of dampness, but it appears the boxes took the “hit.” Don’t know about the mechanisms. That will have to come later when I begin in earnest to put together something akin to a layout for O and S gauge.


The whole house dehumidifier/air purifier unit is working quite well. The basement is dry and no more “jungle rot” smell. That thing is a God-send. Thank you very much for the “tip,” and I owe ya, Tom![tup]


Hey! I want to mention your “blurb” the other night about using the “edit” feature on the forums. There are times when I have logged in that instead of going to the last page of the thread, I’ve wound up on a page or two previous to it. Now I know why! Man, there are lots of little oddities about this forum, huh[?] You should put together a “Kalmbach Train Forums Navigation for Dummies!”[swg] Good job and I for one appreciate the time and effort you make in providing these tid-bits of info to and for us all.[tup]


Good to see earlydiesels Dan appear “in person.” Have to admit that I’ve seen his cyber name from time to time in the “ghost mode,” but now that he’s posted – he’s busted![swg]


Thanks for the B’day wishes, John! Another weekend like that – and it will truly be my last!![swg]


I’d say the members of the Legion of the Lost that are truly lost are: Chris – Gunns & Russell insofar as our April 12th get together is concerned. We should see the remainder of the guys at least make an appearance.[tup] Thanks Rob ‘n BK for taking the time to send emails out to the guys![tup]


Tom I’ll do what I can to “spell” ya a bit over the weekend. Although I haven’t got anything lined up for the pix-posting on Sunday. Better get crackin’, huh[?][swg]


One more – then I gotta scram outta here . . .


Until the next time!

Lars

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, a shot of cow juice to keep it moooooving

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=1737822191&id=57 Montreal Station
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-1087565537&id=57 25th Anniversary
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/people/index_view.cfm?photoid=1083333073&id=26 Passengers
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_view.cfm?photoid=77900020&id=37 St. Albans

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/people/index_view.cfm?photoid=-173305922&id=26 Beef, it's what's for dinner
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-861872229&id=58
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/people/index_view.cfm?photoid=-1383188264&id=26
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/people/index_view.cfm?photoid=1192365561&id=26

I hope Rob likes these pictures of Hamilton:

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/_images/common/photos/original/CN002411.jpg Skyline
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/_images/common/photos/original/CN005075.jpg Steel Company

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/_images/common/photos/original/CN002137.jpg GWR 1870

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/_images/common/photos/original/CN000387.jpg GWR #32
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/_images/common/photos/original/CN003857.jpg #10 Barrie 1881
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/_images/common/photos/original/CN000641.jpg GWR Station 1920
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/_images/common/photos/original/CN002501.jpg Old City Hall
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/_images/common/photos/original/CN000642.jpg Station
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/_images/common/photos/original/CN003729.jpg God Save The King
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/_images/common/photos/original/CN004326.jpg Steam loco
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/_images/common/photos/original/CN002498.jpg Hudson
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/_images/common/photos/original/CN002612.jpg High Level Bridge

So they found the missing link.

Would you like to swing on a star
Carry moonbeams home in a jar
And be better off than you are
Or would you rather be a fish

Mike

[Anonymous]

Hello Tom and gang! Yes, it's really me. Been trying to do a little catch up. I'll have a cold Killian's Red Irish Ale, please. Always enjoy Alco diesels and the PA was truly a marvelous piece of work. Beauty, speed, and a good ride all rolled up in an eyepopping package. I wish I could hear an original run. Doyle McCormick's (sp??) should be done soon. Anyway, the MOP PA pix credited to Arthur B. Johnson. He was a longtime Frisco employee here in Springfield and for a time was with the itzy bitzy NRHS chapter here. Never met him but his pix live on. He evidently traveled and carried his camera, which we should be grateful for the record he left us. His grave is not too far from my dad's.
Weather is warming up and I'm wanting to run some trains! 15 April is our Easter train and I will be conductor. Even be wearing the monkey suit and hat. Regular season begins Father's day this year due to early Thomas and I'm ready. Another Killian's, please, as I wonder around to see how much the ol' place has changed.

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and gents! I'll have my usual bottomless draught please, and of course spring for a round! I don't know if I would have done a Gomez Adams number on a train set, but I do remember many a plastic soldier formation that would be relocated by firecrackers. Sure was fun at the time! But now, damaging old toys seems as horrifyiing as sticking your old Mickle Mantle baseball card in the spokes of your bike! [:0] Who would have guessed how much money all this stuff could bring-in later? Enjoyed your model pix .... I'm really getting a kick out ot the Pike days here. Nice to see Lars, BK, Rob, Dan, CM3, and need to investigate the rest of Mike's links.

Here's the second half of the Milk car post:

A Moo-ving Experience in Lionelville! Allan W. Miller Vintage Rails Jan/Feb 98

Who would guess that this unassuming worker, unloading Lionel Trains, Inc.’s 1983 Borden Dairy car, could be capable of hurtling can effortlessly through the air?


But fans of Lionel trains have long favored the Operating Milk Car over all the others. Over the past 50 years, this car has endured not only on the production line, but it has also become a highly sought collectable. Following are descriptions of the Operating Milk Cars produced to date, with the respective catalog or production periods, and current (estimated) market values, in mint condition with original box:



While it may be true that – thanks to the Lionel milk car’s overly assertive operating mechanism – there’s plenty of spilt milk in Lionelville, none of the residents and collectors, old and young alike, break into broad grins nearly every time they see those doors fling open and watch yet another milk can sail off toward whatever is within striking distance.

[:I] When everybody on earth was dead and waiting to enter Paradise, God appeared and said, "I want the men to make two lines. One line for the men who were true heads of their household and the other line for the men who were dominated by their women. I want all the women to report to St Peter." Soon, the women were gone and there were two lines of men. The line of the men who were dominated by their wives was 100 miles long, and in the line of men who truly were heads of their household, there was only one man. God said, "You men should be ashamed of yourselves. I created you to be the head of your household. You have been disobedient and not fulfilled your purpose. I told you to be the spiritual leader in your family. Of all of you only one obeyed. Learn from him. Tell them, my son, how did you manage to be the only one in this line?" The man replied, "I don't know, my wife told me to stand here." [:I]