"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

A fine Post from West Coast S Dave - almost like old times. Just a bit shy on the "inclusive side," but a well done contribution nonetheless![tup][tup]

Driving and drivers ... [yeah] a topic unto itself, eh[?] Getting far worse out there . . . .

BK Nice to know you are back and also "wanted!" Obviously the decisions we make in life are OURS to make and OURS to live with. So all the opinions and "two cents worth" that come from others can simply be lumped into one sack. YOU and only YOU make the final decision regarding what YOU intend to do with YOUR future. And yes, it is nice to be wanted, but only for the RIGHT reasons!

Lars Soggy toilet paper[?] Really! Check out my profile and you'll see the three things I dislike the most . . . .

Steak is ready and the draught of the day is Coors Light, okay[?]

Dave That's quite a commitment and I wonder how many of the other guys would take a days vacation to guarantee availability for our 1st Year Anniversary celebration[?] That speaks for itself![tup][tup][tup] And of course the "free lunch" doesn't hurt either![swg]

I'm running way behind in my acnowledgments and please forgive me if I've skipped over anyone. With the bride at home, well . . . . there are OTHER things to do![swg]

Spent a few hours preparing the garden for planting. Which means, tilling. I hate that . . . the tiller is a "monster" machine that drags my sorry butt around the garden until I've had it! However, it's done and I'm beat . . . I'm on my 4th Coors Light if that tells you anything![swg]

CM3 You really hit the "funny bone" with that comment of yours regarding the exotic dancers![tup][swg] Still grinning . . . .

Rob Appreciate the continuing dialogue via Email and the fne Posts you contribute! Even if when "Count Robulla" is lurking in the shadows of night, its' the thought that counts (get it - Count?)[swg]]

Doug I think you are victim of a conspiracy - and there are those who are prdding me to Tweeeeeeet you for Cruel and not so usual humor. Additionally, these "same forces" are targeting Wolfman Pete for his rather lame excuses of late (can't say if I blame them!!) - anyway, I'd be careful with the jokes if I were you.[tdn]

Okay, boyz, time for me to fire up the grill. Steak nite at the Haus tonight. Nice thick Black Angus beef - ummmmmmmmmmm um, and of course another brew to go wiith it.

Later, Gents![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening Gentlemen all,happy half-way-to-fri-day and Pikes Perspectives,which as a modeller first & foremost,I have to admit is my favourite segment-so,drinks all around [4:-)][oX)]Tom if you please-come and join the company for a while,Leon can look after the `shop` for a bit.
My word,a plethora of acknowledgements required here,better crack on (OLE`20 FINGERS could probably do it in about 3 minutes flat,I`m looking at an hour or two & on the plus side,half a dozen brews.......)
[4:-)][oX)]TOM-Brilliant !!-thanks mate,couple of notes on the illustrations-the shot of the `Flying Scot` with the matching Gresley coaches ( the finish was supposed to resemble varnished teak panelling )-of extra interest is the tank engine in the background,either a kit or scratch-built,it is a rather nice model of the 4-4-2 radial tank`s built under Adams for the London & South Western Rly for suburban pass. use.
The class are principally associated with the Lyme Regis branch in Devon where the last 3 spent their final days-one ending up on the Bluebell Railway in Sussex where it may well still be in use.....PETE.?
The train set pic-An educated guess suggests that this was produced for the Aus/NZ market-the set is numbered in the RS1x sequence ( U.K sets at that time were in the RS2x range & Transcontinental were RS3x ) ,the contents are slightly different from the RS31 set shown in the catalogue pix ( the tank car has been replaced by a low-roof boxcar to fit the same packaging ) and the livery appears different ( as far as I can tell at the available resolution )
The loco in the set also merits a passing mention-A 4-wl switcher,it appears in the `Commonwealth` range in yellow as a yard switcher and has for many years been a stalwart of the domestic market range as a harbour shunter,embossed with the legend "Dock Authority` carrying various combinations of #3,5&7 and in either black,or,more commonly,C.N orange/red.
The most extreme form is as part of the "Battle-Space" range where it was marketed on an un-powered chassis with the motor hooked up to a propellor at the back and a spike moulded onto the front-aimed at the Bart Simpson end of the market I suspect.
Opinions also vary as to the prototypye on which it is based,one school of thought suggests an early North British prototype the other has it down as a Baldwin-any info gladly received [^]
Hmm-seem to have a hole in my glass again,strange how that keeps happening.........
ROB-nice hit on the builders[tup]-Were those FL9`s used on commuter service out to Danbury ?-Have asked this before I know,but recall an article in Brit M.R. press some years ago & cant spare the 3 days needed to dig the boxes out,find the info & then put it all back again...
PETE-LOVED that Dublo URL-meant to check in this afternoon,tapped into that-next thing I know it`s schools out and I`m back in the doghouse-nice one mate[tup]-Bathams for you all night (plus a taxi home-[swg])-I`d have to say,I don`t think the company put their best minds onto the " Canadian Pacific" range............
Still have one or two H/D bits floating around the layout,the terminal station building straddles the tracks at Allendale (wholly unprototypically I might add )a couple of powered semaphores with new arms function as the Bradford up starter & down starter & gds advance signals,the metro staging points are switched by red bakelite lever frames and an A3 controller powers the test bench-built to last [^]
LARS-Good to see you`ve shaken off your recent troubles-excellent work on the Big 12th front by the way [tup]-enjoyed the URL,thanx for putting it our way.
Appreciate the kind words-as with all synergystic fusions I take away more than I bring but I guess thats how these things work.
By the way,how do you like your steak cooked.?-we serve `em with chips here ( the Brit variant of fries-thicker cut,cooked in lard rather than oil and ,most importantly,dont crumple up when you turn up the heat [swg]
DOUG-Another fine salvo,stories remain absolute page-turners,love the jokes(forget those other moaners,-It`s working for me)-nice one on the Lionel thing-Catalogue artwork when it was just that rather than slick photo-editing and then a spin-free description of the actual products.
This actually opens up another sub-theme-the way that the illustrators of our favourite toys managed to combine the "F-unit,2 cars & a Van" contents with the "ABBA plus a mile of cars" vision that we were seeing in our imaginations.....Hmmm-wandering again.
CM3-Interesting piece and URL-is that a VGN Trainmaster I see in the city scene ?-did they really tower over the coaches like that or is this tinplate modellers license at work ?
As an add-on to the Farish stuff the other night,First became aware of G/F as an `N` gauge manufacturer about 1970 when the put out a big advertising campaign to promote an 0-6-0t with a matching set of four wheel coaches in Great Eastern ( and later L.N.E.R & B.R liveries ) and a G.W.R pannier tank (94xx I believe) with G.W.R coaches.
Freight traffic and track were covered by the PECO Wonderful Wagon & Streamline track ranges.
Bogie coaches soon followed,as did a generic 0-6-0t loosely based on the L.M.S 3F Jinty which was offered in `big 4` liveries
PECO also offered a range of whitemetal kits for loco bodies using the Gra-Far chassis,mostly for 3.5/4mm narrow gauge ( H0/009 was very big here for a while in the `60`s & `70`s-a lot of Jouef /Eggerbahn and Lilliput stuff still around then)
20 FINGERS AL-glad you could spare us a few minutes[swg]-enjoyed the stuff on head end cars,not a common phenomenon over here-obviously a function of operating a single-track network over long distances as opposed to the milk-runs we have over here
DAVE-Hi how are you ?-Obviously a busy day at the office so sit back & chill for a while-I see you use S.U.V & Numbskull in the same sentence,is that not a tautology ?
BK-Welcome back dear boy,glad you enjoyed the Pikestuff-Now that you are a gentleman of leisure you may be considering a hobby..........look no further.....
A layout similar to [4:-)][oX)]TOMS S-Capades would fit very neatly on a 24"x48" board in `N` gauge..try a toe in the water,you won`t be disappointed..
O.K-looks like the moonlight mile for me,enough evangelism for one night-take care chaps,you never know whats out there.
speak soon,nick [C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

I see Nick is still out 'n about in spite of the hour in Merry Olde Wales![swg]

Leon the Night Man does indeed have the bar. I've been on the other side of the bar for several hours and am enjoying this day - immensely!<grin>

That's quite a rundown you've provided us and coupled with Sunday's input & Pix, I'd say we're all much better equipped to understand and envsion the model trains of GB![tup][tup]

There are those on this side of the pond who would declare "war" upon the utterance of any inference whatsoever bordering on slandering their SUV. To some, perhaps more sacred than God, Country, etc. A sick mindset, indeed.[tdn]

I failed to recognize the fine URL provided by CM3 this morning - that's one hulluva layout! The things kids (and older kids) dream of, eh[?] My Lionel set was "the best" in my minds eye - but there was always the "dream" - the thought that somewhere, somehow, one day, maybe . . . . [yeah] the dreams of childhood realized far, far down the track - but realized still the same! Long live the Can-Am![yeah]

Appreciate the references you've made to the S-Capades, Nick. It is a rather simple track plan, and if I ever get a roundtuit, I'll provide the track plan!!<groan>

Okay, time for me to enjoy the beer Nick bought . . . .

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[jlampke]

Evening Tom! I see you and Nick are here. An Absolute & grapefruit for me and a round for all the new "Uncles" present! I'll have to keep this short, again. Just wanted to thank BK & Al for the congrats. I'll work on a picture, but Tom, I left all my stuff, including your e-mail address, on the ship. Please send me your e-mail address so I can send the picture.
In keeping with the theme of this site, I haven't been doing anything outside the apartment here in Korea. I've ridden the trains here in Korea a few times, but can't offer anything interesting about them at this time. There is a steam locomotive in Seoul at a museum that I intend to see some day. I also have a 3-year-old daughter here in Korea, cute as hell, that has an extensive Lego train layout. Took up a whole room of the apt. I'm not sure who plays with it more; Me & her!!
Some comments in another posting about Robert J. Church's OUTSTANDING book on the SP's GS 4-8-4's. That book is worth every penny and them some. [tup] [tup] He put a hell of a lot of work into that book. Sad to think that a fine piece of work like that wouldn't interest most Americans, but a rag full of lies and half-truths like the ones Michael Moore puts out will sell well. [:(!] [censored]
And I guess some people actually belive that stuff. [tdn] [V]
Well, I've got to get back to studying.
John

[siberianmo]

Hiya John

Another first for us - communicating from Mentor Village to Korea! Now that's quite a distance.

Email on the way as requested. Looking foward to the Pix!

Appreciate the round, as always, but this one is special - for to receive it, one has to say, "Uncle!"<grin-groan>

Good having you back in the fold . . . . [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[nickinwestwales]

Quick-a large measure of something worth drinking for our new parent JOHN,whilst he has the leisure to enjoy it,a similar glass for the `steamed proprieter who is obviously also enjoying some well-earned down time and I`ll try one as well (purely to be sociable you understand.......)
later,[C=:-)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

Running late again Missed the free dinner from Dave but all right for the free Bathams from Nick, so fill em up LEON[tup].

A great Pikes Day. TOM Much great info on the Tri-ang/ Hornby models. Your post was the first time I had seen where the name Tri-Ang came from. I can recall the sadness over in England when the production was moved from Margate abroad.
A little bit of side info is that a class 86 electric loco on BR is named Frank Hornby (after the modelmaker). It is now owned by Freightliner and is used to haul intermodel trains and is now ending its long career, the class was introduced in 1964. Its running # is 86614.

DOUG I wonder if there was a model made of the bi- polar electric loco with the correct wheel arrangement [?] Great reading on the Lionels and YES I still like the jokes[:)].

CM3 The minature model loose coal and stone ballast was available in the U.K. but what a mess if there was a de-railment[:O] The link to the Rochester Model Railway was great, it must have brought a lot of pleasure to a great many people over the years[tup].
Thanks for the Hustle Muscle info and Lars for the link.

BK Good to see you back and glad you should able to be here for the 12th.

DAVE Interesting post on the SP Electrics and the reason Cab-Forwards were chosen instead of electrification.

ROB It sounds as though that company may have done the EMD engine refurbishments that are being used in the BR class 57 rebuilds recently.

NICK The Hornby site had the same effect on me I was on it for ages. I had quite a few of the accessories myself but sadly they only exist in catalogues and the memory now
(][:(].
I will find out about the Adams Radial Tank loco, the last I heard it was still at the Bluebell but I have not heard about it for a while. It was the loco that I had the first ride behind on the line in immaculate L&SWR livery as # 488 [^].

JOHN Great to hear from you again[tup].

LARS I'm going to ask Tom to put an ad in the Gazette to see if profit from my present run with the computer.

Well LEON,add how much it would have been for the Bathams if Nick had not got them and I will add it to the 12th fund[tup]. PETE.

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon, I see that the boyz have run you off your feet today, that's a good thing.[:D]

Tom Wonderfull rundown of the british "oo" manufacturers,it's not to ba dto work with from what I'm told. alot of the traction modellers on this side of the pond use Bec tram kits all OO scale but when you see them in an HO envorinment, there's not all that much difference.I;m glad that my posts "count" for something around here [:-^][swg] Also 4 coors light [?] I thought you were a blue man With the blues you would only have needed two. [;)][:-^]

CM3 that's a wonderfull looking layout,thanks for giving us the url for it. [tup]

Doug Nice story on the Lionel,and I must say that blonde joke brioke the braand new groanameter,that's got to be a tweetable offence[swg][:o] that or it's comming out of your next round. [swg] I'm gla dthat you've been enjoying the rebuilding series, it's done now. there are a few more lillte one's out there but I haven't much info on any of them. I;m gearing up for a couple more steam bits Gotta keep both sides of the fence happy . [:D]

Dave [:D][wow] Great story on the SP's almost electrification sir. It's the dave of old fer sure fer sure. I;m at a complete loss when it comes to understanding UP's numbering system. I'm sure that it makes sence to someone out there,gives the bean counters something to do anyway. taht unit does sound like a mutant, if it's a one off god knows if you will be able to discover exactly what it is / was. One sourse could be Wither's publishings Diesel era magazine, in each issue they put out a section on what's new on the contract rebuilding scene. They give you the blow by blow who built what , when, and from what.

The Bookends Great insite from both of you gents as per usual. Lars Thanks for posting the GN 400 url again, there are some wonderfull shots of it there. BTW I haven't much use for anythiong French at the moment either,both our local and the european varieties. Lest said the better probably. As you likely know the hoppers got the "trudeau" nick name because he was the PM in power when the government bought them for crazy prices that were paid for them at the time. They also brought in the official bilingualness of all gov offices and equipment ie CN at the time having one side of the cars each for the two languges. Again the less said the better. [:(]
BK Hey good to see you in again as well. Do you think that Tom was delictae and discreet enough in his thoughts on your proposed trip to europe [?] Oh well it's good to hear that you are enjoying life in the foothills with your intended, which is as it should be.Glad to hear that you will be front and center on the one year bash, I'll likley be in and out during the day in question. Mind you if it's a day off, I'll be more in than out.


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Well I;m back lets see I missed a couple of guys horrors.

Pete That's an interesting thought. it wouldn't supprise me though if Peaks did those engine rebuilds however. EMD themselves don't build the 567 or 645 prime movers anymore,everythings the new high tech computer controlled 710 series of the big new monster brutes[tdn] simpler is better when it comes to locomotives, I think anyway.

Nick How could I forget you this evening. A thousand pardons sir. Let me spring for a round for you and Pete to atone. To answer your FL9 question , yes these were used on the Danberry run. They would have roamed the entire Metro North system i would have thought as well. Neat loco's only resently were the last couple retired.Apparently they had a big goodbye send off for them a month or so ago. Then from what I understand they were having some power shortages and what came out to pinch hit.I would think thouhg that the writing is on the wall for them,they've all been rebuilt repeatedly and they are done, at least from an everyday heavy use perspective.

John A lego train set you say [?] Did you get the european looking one's or the north anerican ones they put out in the last couple of years.[?]

Rob

[trolleyboy]

All right something new form you all.I've been sitting on this one for a while, but I figured that given the nature of this place that you would all get a kick or two out of it.

CLASSIC STEAM #19 THE BOOZE LINE HIRAM WALKERS RY



Hiram Walker's Lake Erie & Detroit River Railway

In 1856 American distiller Hiram Walker arrived on tthe Candian side of the Detroit River and began making booze, an operation which would become Canada's most prolific distillery. Around the distillery Walker laid out the planned community of Walkerville. By the 1880's the townsite became one of Ontario's best planned towns with tree lined boulavards,beautiful commersial buildings,hotels,a bank, and soilid well built homes for the plants workers. Walker's own company office was such a beautifull structure that today it's a designated historic herritage building !

And he built a beautiful railway station as well. In 1885 Walker brouhgt into operation the Lake Erie and Detroit River Railway. It was intended to bring in the raw materials from the farmlands south of Windsor for the distillery. As well as to export local cattle and lumber across the Detroit River to the American markets. At first the line crossed only Essex County, reaching Leamington in 1889. But there was a great demand by the municipalities further to the east for a railway so by 1895 the route extended all the way to St Thomas. At St Thomas it met the Canada Southern at the CSR station built 20 years before.

From St Thomas the LEDR had hoped to purchase the Electric Radial RY the London and Port Stanley ( classic Juice #1 ), in order to have access to the coal shipments arriving at Port Stanley from accross Lake Erie. Unfortunatly the city of London considered the proposal for too long that Walker's LEDR instead bought the Erie and Huron RY which had it's Lake erie terminus at the Port of Erieau. This gave the LEDR connections to Chatham through Sarnia.


At Erieau the LEDR built a large coaling facility then entered the tourist business by adding two excursion steam boats, the Shenango, and the Urania. These ships cruised between Conneaut and Erieau bringing tourists to stay at the Company owned Bungalow and Lakeview Hotels. In 1912 the Bungalow the areas best hotel burnt down and was never rebuilt. In 1972 the line to Erieau was the first portion of the LEDR to be abandoned.

Southwestern Ontario's main railway rivalries interestingly did not involve any candian owned companies but American ones. In 1904 to compeet more aggressivly with the NYC owned Canada Southern, the Pere Marquette RY took over the LEDR and operated it until 1951 when it became part of the C&O. Now the CSX.

For most of it's route, the LEDR gained it's business from the feed mills an dgrain elevators which were paired with the stations in most of the little towns along the line. Some fish was shipped seasonally from the ports of Kingsville and Wheatley, while,the major industry continued to be the distillery at Walkersville.

Gradually trucking intrests slowley took over the industries along the line. Between 1992 and 1996 most of the line between St Thomas and Walkerville was abandonned and the tracks lifted. The only track still in use today is found in Windsor and operates between the CN and CP and in Blenheim where grain is still moved by teh CSX alonf the former Erie and Huron ROW to Chatham.


Enjoy Rob

[siberianmo]

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Thursday! Start the day with a hot cuppa Joe, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and a selection from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast![tup]


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”Our” Place” ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION is Wednesday, April 12th!


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(1) barndad Doug Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 05:39:32 (288) Pike Perspective’s Day – Lionel & Joke!

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 06:55:52 (288) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 08:52:50 (288) Acknowledgments, etc.

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 09:31:32 (288) CM3 Speaks & URL!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 11:13:56 (288) OO Gauge & British Model Trains

(6) BudKarr BK Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 12:58:21 (288) The BK Report!

(7) West Coast S Dave Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 15:17:11 (288) Just like old times!

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 15:26:49 (288) The Lars Report!

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 16:21:32 (288) Acknowledgments & Comments

(10) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 19:14:08 (289) Nick at Nite!

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 19:39:06 (289) Acknowledgment, etc.

(12) jlampke John Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 19:41:21 (289) from Korea!

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 19:50:40 (289) reply to John

(14) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 19:53:13 (289) Nite Cap!

(15) pwolfe Pete Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 22:57:52 (289) Wolfman Howls!

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 23:17:52 (289) Inclusive Post, etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 23:27:19 (289) More!

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 29 Mar 2006, 23:57:50 (289) Classic Steam #19 – The Booze Line



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NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, March 26th thru April 1st:Major League (1989) starring Tom Beringer, Charlie Sheen & Corbin Bernson – and – Bull Durham (1988) starring: Kevin Costner, Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins. SHORT: Plane Nuts (1933).


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Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[siberianmo]

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Railroad Stations – Terminals & Depots

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[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

A bit of chill in the air, but temps are on the rise, should get to the 60s (F) here in mid-Continent USA. A severe storm system moving in later tonight . . . batten down the hatches, boyz! Petrol up at “Collusion Corner” was holding at $2.29 (rounded) yesterday, however not that far away there were some stations selling it for $2.42. Go figure . . .

Looks like we had a “flurry” to finish off the day and looks like the “take” was respectable for “Tilla” and “Cashinator.” Made a few bucks, but no doubt it will all get spent on the 12th![tup][tup][tup]

Many THANX for the visits from Nick – John – Pete ‘n Rob!![tup]

We had a good day for “Pike Perspectives,” the idea that originally came from Theodorebear Ted, and now a “fixture” ‘round here. Too bad the creator hasn’t been seen in at least a month – for there’s been all kinds of good stuff Posted.

Rob I am a Blue kinda guy, but it can’t be found ‘round here at reasonable prices. Plus, Coors Light “does it” quite right for me. Once in Toronto, YOU’LL get YOUR opportunity to check me out on my Blue allegiance![swg]

John Email received – awaiting the Pix!

Pete Not sure I understand that “ad” you made mention of for the next Gazette. Anyway, ship me off an Email and I’ll “work it in” for ya![tup] Belatedly – I also checked out your URL and found it to be addictive – as they always are![swg]

Nick Amazing what one picks up on the 2nd time around in reading Posts (and marriages!!)[swg] With regard to the former, you surely have one hulluva ‘n eye for details – picking up on background stuff in Pix at that! Love it . . .

Okay boyz, time for me to get going on this day . . . .


Later![tup]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

John - Congratulations. Ours were close together so we had "double headers" at the store; one cart for the little people and one for the groceries. Then there's the whole issue of car seats - We can put people into space, but can't develop a standard fitting/harness system for car seats. I'd better quite before our 'steamed proprietor banishes me to the rat room........

The material on the LEDR was interesting. There's a book waiting to be done on lines that served various parts of Boris's favorite industry. Let' see, there was the Milwaukee Road's "beer line," and several L&N branmches that served different distilleries; then there's the Bath and Hammondsport. The Coors operation in Golden was recently featured in an article, etc. I can see it now, we'd never get done with the research. Maybe Nick could get a grant to help out.....I've never seen an inverted Zeppelin in flight before.

In answer to Nick's question about the Trainmaster. This was a case of the model imitating the real thing. The TM was HUGE for it's time and the frame was very high. I remember lots of FM power on the New Haven; not the big TMs, but something that was called a "baby" Trainmaster.

Well, sorry to make this a short one, but duty calls. Hot dog, MP is next!

work safe

P.S. Before I forget, here's another possibility for movie offering. "Crack Up." IIRC this was produced in 1946-47. Pat O'Brien/Claire Trevor. It featured some positively surreal scenes on a NYC commuter train. Scare the !@#$ out of you.

Also how about Jimmy Stewart in one filmed on the B&O in West Virginia. Title of this one is "Fool's Parade." This one is outstanding with much color footage of B&O steam-powered passenger trains (interior and exterior).

[siberianmo]

Railroad Stations – Terminals & Depots

Number One - Toronto’s Union Station


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Union Station (Toronto)

Union Station is a major railway, subway, and streetcar station at 65 Front Street West between Bay Street and York Street in downtown Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Currently, the primary function of the railway station is to act as a terminus for commuters on GO Transit, thanks to which it is busier than any other transport facility in the country, including airports. It also serves as a hub for intercity trains, and many railway companies have their offices within the building.


Details


The main entrance of Union Station.

Union Station is eight storey’s tall and features a massive lobby known as the Great Hall, numerous corridors at the top, and a shooting gallery used by CN railway police on the seventh floor.

While VIA Rail, the successor to the railways which originally built Union Station, continues to use it as a major hub for the Quebec City-Windsor Corridor (including the joint VIA-Amtrak Maple Leaf train to New York City) and the eastern terminus of The Canadian, the vast majority of passengers travelling through the station are from GO Transit's commuter trains. Toronto Transit Commission riders likewise outnumber VIA passengers. The station is also used by Ontario Northland trains to northern Ontario.

Union Station is one of the only large railway stations in North America to use through-train operation. That is, the train platforms are through lines rather than lines which terminate in the station, as in stub-end operation. The name 'Union Station' refers simply to the fact that it united two railways in one building.

The platforms in the train shed are very close together. Passengers wait downstairs in a concourse similar to that of an airport prior to their trains arriving at the platform. Once the train has arrived, passengers enter gates which lead via escalator or stairs to the platform where they board the train.


Preceding station . . . . . . . . VIA Rail Lines . . . . . . . . . . Following station


Oakville (some trains) . . . . . . Toronto – Ottawa . . . . . . . . .Guildwood

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Toronto – Montréal . . . . . . . .Guildwood

Oakville . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Windsor – Toronto . . . . . . . .Oshawa (some trains)

Brampton . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Sarnia – Toronto . . . . . . . . .Terminus

Oakville . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Niagara Falls – Toronto . . . . Terminus

Washago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Vancouver – Toronto . . . . . . Terminus
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Canadian . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Oakville . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . New York – Toronto . . . . . . . Terminus
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Maple Leaf . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ontario – Northland Lines . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Washago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cochrane – Toronto . . . . . . . Terminus
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Northlander . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

History


Clock outside Union Station.


Columns outside Union Station.


GO Train waiting area inside Union Station's back area.

Toronto's third Union Station (see more on Old Union Station) was the largest enclosed space in Canada at the time it was built. Construction was begun in 1913 and the building was officially opened on August 6, 1927 in a ribbon cutting ceremony attended by His Royal Highness Prince Edward of Wales who cut the ribbon with a pair of gold scissors. Also in attendance was Prime Minister William Lyon Mackenzie King, Prince George, United Kingdom Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin and Mrs. Baldwin, Ontario Lieutenant-Governor William Donald Ross and Mrs. Ross, Ontario Premier George Howard Ferguson, and numerous other members of the Ontario and Canadian governments.

Union Station was built by the Canadian Pacific Railway and the Grand Trunk Railway. The architects were G.A. Ross, R.H. MacDonald, Hugh Jones, and John M. Lyle. Like many stations of its period, it is designed in the Classical revival style developed by the École des Beaux-Arts in Paris.

In 1954, the Toronto Transit Commission opened a station immediately north of Union Station, which acted as the southern terminus of its new subway line, and as part of 1990's Harbourfront LRT project, they added an underground streetcar loop now used by the 509 Harbourfront and 510 Spadina lines.

In 1972, the station was threatened by the two railways' (by this point the Canadian National and Canadian Pacific) development proposal. It would have seen new office and retail developments and a communications and observation tower (which was later re-designed and built as the CN Tower) on the site of Union Station and adjacent rail yards. The entire station was to be demolished, and replaced with an underground terminal, similar to New York City's Penn Station. Local opposition to the proposal was successful in having the city council's decision to support the Metro Centre development overturned.

The future

Union Station was purchased by the City of Toronto from the Toronto Terminals Railway Company (TTR) in August 2000. On July 24, 2003 the City leased Union Station to the Union Pearson Group for a term of 100 years. A public-private partnership has been created to redevelop the station, and a Master Plan has been developed with four major components:

• An integrated public realm, redefining and joining the Union Plaza and Front Street spaces,
• A modern station, including redevelopment of the trainshed with construction above it,
• Revitalisation of underutilised spaces, notably redeveloped concourses, moats and teamways, and
• Extended pedestrian connections, including improved passages, new entrances, and improved ease of movement.

Presently there is no rail service to Toronto Pearson International Airport, but on November 13, 2003 Transport Canada announced the selection of SNC-Lavalin subsidiary Union Pearson AirLink Group to finance, design, construct, operate, and maintain an railway link between Union Station and Pearson. The service is to be named Blue22 because of its planned 22-minute trip time. At present, it is planned that the line will use four refurbished Rail Diesel Cars, with trains running every fifteen minutes, seven days a week. Due to opposition and a new environmental assessment for the project, the expected opening date for Blue22 will be later than 2008, as originally projected.

References

• Toronto Union Station Master Plan
• CBC: Train station leased for 100 years
• Union Pearson Group
• Transport Canada Rail Link News Release
• Toronto's Union-Pearson Air-Rail Link


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Photo’s from other sources


Toronto Union Station Great Hall



Toronto Union Station Great Hall



Toronto Union Station Gate Concourse



Toronto Union Station aerial view


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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled!

A round of cheer, if you please and a double Southern Comfort on the rocks, thank you!

My acknowledgment to those who passed along the unsolicited advice. While not intended, nor really needed, I understand where it comes from gentlemen. Big boys make big decisions, and I definitely concur that they are mine to make. Having aired my thoughts, it is only natural to receive the feedback. The resolution is still pending and I assure one and all that should I take them up on this latest offer, ours will be the interests most considered.[tup]

Captain Tom I must admit that over the course of these months my thoughts have gone to the stations, terminals & depots. Where have they been? Excellent start of a new series and the Toronto edifice is simply a grand place to have begun. Having had the opportunity to travel to and from that fascinating place in my childhood and then again later in life, the memories flooded back while reading through your submission. Very much appreciated and the photographs are equally excellent.[tup][tup][tup]

Sir Rob believe it or not, the "booze train" is something I recall hearing about from my dad. "Hiram" was no stranger in our house.[swg]

Sir Coalminer your wit is akin to that of Sir Nick. Perhaps you two are the "bookends" from two far flung mining regions, eh[?]

Is it me, or have we somehow run out of daytime customers? I thought the "No Doze" was a "prop," but apparently there is a legitimate use!s[swg]

Not much news from the mountains today, other than we are preparing for another venture southward. A bit unsure about the departure date, as we have to coordinate a few matters prior to getting going. Again, things are looking favorable for the 12th.

Regards to those who acknowledged my post - Cheers to you![tup]

BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada's mountain country!

[LoveDomes]

G'day Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!

That steak from yesterday was so good, I'm ready for 'nother one! Can do[?] A pitcher of Alexander Keith's finest ale, if you please! And, a round for the bar![tup]

Fries, chips, et al - I generally pass 'em up. Where I need the starch I'm not getting it and where it isn't needed, it roosts, if ya know what I mean![swg]

My "bookend" made it in rather "late" for him, huh[?] One of these days, I'll bet him through those doors and he'll have to spring for a drink or three for me![tup]

Really enjoyed the Toronto Union Station submission and for my money, that's one fine station - as you and some of your northern friends like to say - fer sure, fer sure![swg] Seriously, a nice read and some great shots to go with it. Am looking foward to your next installment. How many "series" have you got running[?][%-)][%-)]

Not very much to report this day, no e-mail responses and pretty much same-ol, same-ol. Tom summed in up quite well regading who has hasn't responded to my request - so pick it up wherever you like, gents, any help is most appreciated.[tup]

Wondering if Doug had "one of those nights" with the JO living below them[?] Bad & sad situation, huh[?] We've had the fortunate experience of being able to live in a single family home for more years than I care to count. However, we did begin in apartment living - having both been raised that way. Then again, I think the times and people were far different than what most of us encounter these days. Seems like a "screw you" world more times than not.[tdn]

A day around here (and the "other thread") without 20 Fingers Al is like a day without the sun. Whazzup, pal[?] Hopefully you're not conjuring up a huge "data dump" directed my way![swg]

Looks like our planned trip to the left coast is in for an "adjustment" or two. Fortuantely, we were able to make the 'adjustments' with only minimal stress - and that was from the airline. Amtrak was very helpful and we wound up getting the same accomodations for the same price. Airlines charged us a few bucks for the change - but nothing to fret over. We fly to Chi-town, then board the Zephyr for the westward journey.

Enjoyed your "classic" submission, Rob and I'm wondering where in the world you find these things! Between yours and Doug's, you keep the info-flow first rate.[tup][tup]

To all who posted last evening - appreciate the banter![swg] Good reading and good fun.[tup]

Early [bday] wishes to your Mrs., Tom!

Until the next time!

Lars

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom ana all.

A pint of the usual and a round for anyone else in.

ROB The GM power unit used in the class 57 rebuilds wasthe GM 645 either the12E3 or theF3B
Enjoyed the Classic Steam on the Booze line and CM3's post. I did see the article on the Coors Brewery railway. The town of Burton - on - Trent in the East Midlands of England was the UK equivelent of Milwaukee as a big brewing town, with a massive railway system serving the breweries with many road crossings. A considerable amount of the beer was taken to London in barrels.
In the later days of steam the train hauled by LMS Jubilee 4-6-0 locos allocated to Burton shed. Under the rail level at the Midland Railway terminus in London, St Pancras, was a basement used for the unloading and storage of the barrels a massive area. This area now is being incorperated in the new alterations to St Pancras as the station for the new high speed line to the Channel Tunnel.

NICK I have found out at the status of the Adam's Radial Tank. It is at the Bluebell and waiting for major boiler-work to be done. Apparently it last steamed in 1990 (it doesn't seem that long ago). I remember it ran in the BR black livery carrying the # 30583 for a while.

TOM Another great series on Railroad Stations. [tup][tup][tup] A magnificent building which had an impressive list of dignataries at its opening.
To think that in 1972 they wanted to demolish it, luckily good reason prevailed. I thought there was a fair bit of simularity between the Great Hall shown in the photos and the one in Union Station in Kansas City.
I think we live in more enlightened times now with reguard to old buildings. When the old (London) Euston station was demolised in the 60s
especially the 1838 Doric Arch at the entrance It made people realise that these things could be lost and it kickstarted the movement that got historic buildings protected by law by geting the buildings Listed as of Historic Importance.
Look forward to more in the series [^] PETE.

[wanswheel]

Real good of Lars to remember Carol's [bday] while forgetting his own. Cool.

http://www.gngoat.org/03rugby3.jpg Pete here's another historic station
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/200202/21_rehab_amtrak-m/8.shtml
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/200202/21_rehab_amtrak-m/
http://timf.anansi-web.com/cycles/images/98mn1k/rugbynd.jpg
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/map/nd.html

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_view.cfm?photoid=83995986&id=37 Rob is this nearby?

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=91691204&id=58 For BK
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-873504597&id=58 For BK's "intended"
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=87166652&id=58 For "Moi"

Uncle Mike recommends name the boy Sue (Congratulations John!)
http://andyboy.typepad.com/bloggytime/files/johnny_cash_rock_island_line.mp3

[siberianmo]

Gentlemen!

I see some acknowledgments are in order this fine day! Thanx for stopping by and helping to perpetuate the idea of this cyber bar 'n grill - interaction - recognition and inclusiveness! All very much appreciated.

Tweeeeeeetable offense(s) directed toward wanswheel Mike held in abeyance pending . . . . those URLs got him out of a jam, and of course the B'day wishes didn't hurt either![swg] [tup] However, rules #1 & #2 were simply blown off . . . [tdn] Greet the bartender - order a drink and/or food . . .

BK You really hit it on the head - if one "airs one's business" then of course the probability is strong for responses. However, the intent of those comments also must be weighed and I figure they fall in the category of "best of intentions," rather than intrusiveness. Just my [2c]

Lars Of course we can prepare that steak![tup] Glad someone appreciates the fine cuisine served 'round here![swg]

Pete While I concur wholeheartedly with your commentary regarding the rail stations, the reality lies in the times we're in. For example, the Union Station in KCity is costing the city mega bucks for the utilities alone. Those huge edifices simply are cash eaters when it comes to heating, cooling, etc. No doubt that they are committed to history and should be preserved - but the idea is also to find a use and one that doesn't break the bank. The Union Station here in St. Louis isn't really knocking down the income once projected. Fortunately, it is in private hands and the city isn't losing anything, aside from whatever incentives were offered back when the project began. Actually, those incentives may have long run the course . . .

Toronto's Union Station is quite the place to visit - much more fun when waiting to board the "Canadian" en route Vancouver![tup][yeah] Anyway, I don't think I've ever seen a building of that style occupy so much space - it is huge. Given the numbers of trains operating there, I'm sure more than one "bean counter" has wondered aloud whether it is cost effective to keep it operating. I'd hate to see it razed, but perhaps one day . . . . I'm just thankful that I not only had many opportunities to walk the concourses, but to arrive and depart by VIA Rail on at least a dozen trips.

Glad you guys enjoyed the first in the series of RR Stations, Termianls & Depots. This particular "run" will just take a place in line with the others.

How many others, I was asked[?] Let's see - Fallen Flags has pretty much run its course (although there's always the option to add a few more . . . .) Nostalgia continues along with RRs from Yesteryear - Canadian Rwys of the Past - Rwys of Europe - Little Known Operating RRs - Significant Events in Canadian RR History and now, RR Stations, Terminals & Depots <phew!>[swg]

Lars 'n BK Thanx for stopping by "my other thread" - even saw 20 FIngers over there - but, alas - not here! Amazing, eh[?]

B'day greetings relayed to my bride![tup]

Leon the Night Man has the bar at 9 PM (Central)!

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening all,before I begin-[4:-)][oX)]TOM-there should be a bottle of bubbly in the back chiller and I put out a tray of flutes earlier since we have a small toast to drink-A triple natal day celebration,We have MRS CAROL WEBER (21),my dear barking mad sister SARAH (21) and our very own man on the scene in the big apple MR LARS (also,by a quirk of fate,21)
[bday][bday][bday] to you all,may your special day be truly special[tup][^][tup]
Right-looks like a busy day,better get to posts whilst I can still type...........
ROB-enjoyed the booze line <hic>,thanks for heads-up on FL9`s-at last,I can rest easy at night [swg]-didn`t realise the cyl hprs were known as `Trudeaus`-got a half dozen in various liveries,break up the line on a short freight really nicely and look good as a block working as well but a bit light-footed moving through complex pointwork...could use more weight I suspect..
[4:-)]{oX)]TOM-Ah yes -you`ve noticed the detail thing-I just have that sort of mind,not quite autism but beyond normal assessment parameters.
Very nice Union Station piece-what better mood setter for the jolly boys outing [tup]-liked the idea of a Pearson Airport-Union shuttle using refurbished R.D.C`s-Some good thinking going on up there [tup][^][tup]
CM3-Thanks for heads-up r.e. trainmaster-Am I right in thinking that the Baby Trainmaster was a downsized version with wider route availability ?
As to the inverted Zeppelin Flypast,have spoken to Helga & Hilda and both are up for it but consensus of opinion is that,given the risks,the further back the audience is kept ,the better......
BK-Glad to see the mountain air is suiting you-[tup]Enjoy[tup]---Do what works for YOU-the rest can take the long walk home
LARS-congratulations on your natal day,many happy returns
PETE-thanks for the update on 488-Memory suggests I`ve seen her in lined black (& looking very elegant I must say) but no pictures,sorry....
Right guys,was going to post a menu but unexpectedly taken drunk so you`ll just have to pester Boris and persuade one of the girls to help him
Take care everybody,speak soon,nick [C=:-)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well heres a thought for you all to ponder-will we get to page 300 by the anniversary...............[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Yo Nick

300 is a guarantee! At the rate we're turning pages, we've got plenty of time with some room to spare . . . . [tup]

B'day greetings relayed to the bride . . . . one thing though, she claims 39.[swg]

Glad you enjoyed the Toronto Union Station piece, and yes - it does fit quite nicely with our Rendezvous! It trully is one of the finest operating rail stations left . . . Doesn't have the traffic that the square footage can handle, but still is an awesome structure. If you could put the traffic of Chicago's Union Station into that place - well, then you'd have something really special.

Those RDCs that are operating down in Dallas (formerly VIA Rail) were refurbished in Montreal before being sent south for ops on the Trinity Rail Express. Anyway, these cars were built in the 50s - amazing how much "life" they have in 'em. I'm really surprised that Toronto hasn't gotten off the dime with a rail connection to Pearson. Even St. Louis has a light rail running from Lambert International to downtown - and compared to Toronto, this area is a "burg."

Okay, 'nuf for me.

Catch ya'll later . . . .

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


THINK April 12th –
The 1st year Anniversary of ”Our” Place!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon a nice tall Keith's with a nice medium rare porterhouse please,baked potatoe with all the trimmings though.[:D]

Tom Wonderfull piece on good ole, Toronto Union. Great way to get the boyz into the mood fer sure fer sure. [swg] Not sure if we will ever see the airport link, at least not with the jokers that call themselves the mayor and council of the city. To interested in giving themselves raises.[tdn][:(!] A happy borthday to your beloved as well sir[bday]

CM3 Thanks for the additional "soaked" railway information sir. [tup] I have to say that i do love my books and articles and periodicals and ... well you get the picture. That and my wifes family tend to live and breath things with steel wheels on steel rails, tends to rub off after a while.

lars [bday] for real today sir ! I shall buy you a round even if you have to get it tomorrow due to our time in the bar difference. I've heard nothing else from any of the people I have emailed either,we sahll now sirt back and see what will transpire on the 12th.

BK I'm glad you enjoyed the tale of "Hiram" a second time around.No impuning of your sovreignity was intended yesterday,just commenting on tom's comments as it were. Allow me to furnish you with a round as well to atone. Kokanee perhaps[?] Seeing as you are near to where that particular nectar is brewed .[swg]

Nick I see that you enjoyed the Hiram story as well [tup][:D]. I would say that you are bang on in your wonderings about the baby trainmaster.Less hp but still a brute,main difference is that they road on 4 axle trucks instead of the 6's. I trust that you helped your sister have a merry birthday as well.

Pete Nice extra info on the old British steam locomotives as well.I wonder how the newest EMD power is fairing back home for you. I remember GMD of London turning out the 710 powered latest diesels bought after WC assumed control of the frieght systems for a while. I wonder how the AC traction on those new brutes is holding up.


Rob

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and friends. I've only got time for a quick shot, but I'll leave money for a B'day round for Lars. Sorry to be so short on time, but that's how it goes sometimes. COuldn't help but notice Rob's booze line post ...for some reason. Nice OO gauge and especially fine Toronto Union Station post Mr Tom.

I for one liked the recent Big G theme "data-dumps" from Al. I disagree that the material was excessive. This is exactly the kind of information that is so unique to this thread. I am very apprecictive that Al takes so much time to provide all that he does for us. I can't help but notice he has not posted today. I sure hope we didn't lose him. [:(]

As for my jokes... we'll ...I am definitely reaching the bottom of the barrel ... and they are all quite attackable.

Sorry not to be more inclusive with this post, but I really must fly. Please accept another humble offering of another series ... but don't worry ... the Tunnel series is far from complete!

The True Story of Jesse James, Train Robber Sep 1932 Railroad Stories

The James homestead at Kearney, Mo. Where the notorious Jesse spent his boyhood


There were few human touches in the criminal career of Jesse Woodson James, train bandit, whose gang operated for fifteen years in Missouri and Kansas, occasionally making forays into near-by states.

The search for this outlaw chief was one of the keenest this country has ever known. He mocked railroad bulls, the police, the sheriffs. In vain did the Pinkertons send out their best men. Some never returned. Detectives bombed Jesse’s house, tearing off his mother’s right arm and murdering his half-brother. A total of $75,000 was offered for the arrest and conviction of Jesse and his older brother, Frank.

Born in 1847 at Kearney, Mo., Jesse was only four when his father, a clergyman, went to California in search of gold and died there. The evil influence in the early lives of the James boys may be traced to William G. Quantrill, known as “the bloodiest man in the Civil War.” Quantrill was a Confederate guerilla leader. His outstanding feat was the sacking of Lawrence, Kan., a peaceful town which he invaded in 1863 at the head of about 450 men, including Frank James. They killed 182 of the population in one day!

Two months afterward, Jesse, a lad of fifteen, was plowing a cornfield when Federal militia decided to “teach the cub a lesson” – apparently for no reason except that his big brother was with Quantrill. Jesse was lashed until the blood came. His stepfather, a kind-hearted country doctor, was strung up to a tree.

The future brigand vowed vengeance. Young as he was, he joined Quantrill’s irregulars and fought under the banner until the was ended. Then he tried to surrender but was shot twice in the chest – wounds which never completely healed.

An outcast from society, Jesse organized some of Quantrill’s men into that terrible murderous band which held up railroad trains, banks, and stagecoaches. Thus “Jesse James” became a name of terror. No railroad man passing through the Middle West in those days knew when his train would be held up or when he himself would become a target for bandit bullets. An old minister who had known the desperado since childhood once remonstrated with him: “Jesse, why don’t you stop these things?” The reply was: “If you tell me how I can stop, I’ll gladly do so – but I don’t aim to stop right under a noose!”

That was it. Once embarked upon a series of crimes, there was no turning back. Jesse James lived perpetually in the shadow of the gallows and within earshot of whistling bullets. He was determined not to be taken alive – and he never was! Jesse James never saw the inside of a jail, although he carried so many bullet wounds that people said you could dig into his body almost anywhere and strike lead.

The first train robbery which can be traced to the redoubtable Jesse occurred on the Kansas Pacific Railroad on December 12, 1874, near Muncie, Kan., a flag stop ten miles from the old union depot at Kansas City, Mo. There were six highwaymen, said to be the James brothers, Clell Miller, two of the three Younger brothers, Cole and Frank, and a switchman named Bud McDaniels.

In some was Bud had learned that a train leaving Denver with a shipment of gold dust would pass Muncie at 4:45pm. Six horsemen, armed with carbines and heavy revolvers, masked with red bandanas, rode over there and got busy. As a curtain-raiser they robbed Purdee’s general store of $24 and forced the proprietor to help them pile a lot of ties upon the track. At the same time they set out the flag at the station, to make doubly sure the train would stop.

Engineer Robert Murphy, on the train from the West, seeing the flag and the obstruction on the track, closed his throttle and ground to a stop. The robbery had been well planned. While one man climbed into the cab and covered the engine crew, the others cowed the trainmen and passengers. A freight train was close behind, so Conductor Brinkenhoff started back to flag it. “Where the hell you going?” Jesse demanded, firing a shot in his general direction. Brinkenhoff explained. The bandit leader was unconvinced. “That’s O.K.,” injected Switchman McDaniels, who knew his railroading. “He just wants tuh head off another train an’ keep it from crashing into our rear.”

“Well, he better watch his step,” growled Jesse. “All right, let him go.” Meanwhile the crew were forced to uncouple the express car and pull it away a short distance from the rest of the train, and the looting began. Frank Webster, The Wells, Fargo & Co. express messenger, had been caught unprepared, with the doors of his car unlocked. Two ruffians leaped into the car. “Let’ssee how quick you can open that safe, fella,” said one of them. “We’re in a hell of a big hurry.” “But I don’t know the combination,” protested Webster. “i-“

“Maybe this’ll teach you!” bellowed the thug, striking him on the head with a revolver butt. Dazed, the messenger did as he was told. The booty consisted of $30,000 in gold dust, $20,000 in currency, and jewelry valued at about $5,000. All of this was dumped into a wheat sack – the usual receptacle carried by the James boys on their raids – and the rest of the car was searched thoroughly. It contained nothing else of value except some silver bricks, which were too heavy to carry off. As they left, Jesse flung a parting threat at the express messenger: “If you poke your lousy head out of that door we’ll shoot it off!”

Meanwhile, two members of the gang had been robbing the passengers of money and watches, which they returned upon learning what had been taken from the express car. “We’re not after chicken feed!” they said. To delay pursuit, the brigands shot two horses which they found in the vicinity, then mounted their own steeds and galloped off. Waving a greeting to the engineer, one of the gunmen called out: “You can back up now and get your train,” and to the scared passengers he shouted: “Give our love to the folks in Kansas City.”

Murphy lost no time in hooking up and making the fastest possible run to Kansas City, but it was too late for posses to pick up the trail. The James gang had crossed over into Missouri and were hiding in the mountains. Two or three days later Bud McDaniels boasted to his girl friend in Kansas City that he had acquired a lot of jewelry, and made a date to take her on a buggy ride. But she did not keep the date. Instead, she went out with another man.

Bud was furious. Here he was ready to show a lady a good time, with lots of money, and she goes off with some other guy! Can you beat that? Felling the need for consolation, he drove over to a saloon and soon got tanked up. Late that night he was arrested for reckless driving and drunkenness. Searched at the police station, he was found to have more than $1,000 in cash, two six-shooters, and pieces of jewelry which were identified as part of the loot taken at Muncie.

“I bought that stuff for Susanna,” he insisted, “but I don’t give a *** who gets it now. She’s gone back on me.” This explanation seemed fishy to the authorities, who made an investigation, the upshot of which McDaniels was indicted for complicity in the holdup. The unlucky switchman escaped from a deputy sheriff before being placed on trial, but was located a few weeks later and was shot to death while resisting arrest.

[:I] An old hillbilly farmer had a wife who nagged him unmercifully. From morning till night (and sometimes later), she was always complaining about something. The only time he got any relief was when he was out plowing with his old mule. He tried to plow a lot.
One day, when he was out plowing, his wife brought him lunch in the field. He drove the old mule into the shade, sat down on a stump, and began to eat his lunch. Immediately, his wife began haranguing him again. Complain, nag, nag; it just went on and on. All of a sudden, the old mule lashed out with both hind feet; caught her smack in the back of the head. Killed her dead on the spot.
At the funeral several days later, the minister noticed something rather odd. When a woman mourner would approach the old farmer, he would listen for a minute, then nod his head in agreement; but when a man mourner approached him, he would listen for a minute, then shake his head in disagreement. This was so consistent, the minister decided to ask the old farmer about it.
So after the funeral, the minister spoke to the old farmer, and asked him why he nodded his head and agreed with the women, but always shook his head and disagreed with all the men. The old farmer said: "Well, the women would come up and say something about how nice my wife looked, or how pretty her dress was, so I'd nod my head in agreement".
"And what about the men?" the minister asked.
"They wanted to know if the mule was for sale". [:I]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening again folks. Lepn just a short one please.

Doug Bad joke[:o] good story[tup] Where else can one read about jesse Jame's , Booze trains,model railroad stuff, streamliners,and classic train stations in all of two pages on these forums. Truly shows how extra speacial this thread is. 5x[tup][:D] for Capt. Tom and his rowdy crew [swg]

Nick To answer a question of yours from yesterday that i missed. I do indeed have Ian Wilson's next volume reserved, I haven't missed one yet ! The museum gift shop has sold all of Ian's books over the years. " To Stratford Under steam" "Steam through London", & " Steam to Niagara" are the only older ones that we still have in stock. The new book should be out in about a month or so. ( can't wait ) it's covering the CNR Steam in Northern Ontario,North Bay to Capreol,possibly two more books are still to come after this one. Thgere may be a small reprint of his original book "Steam Through Allandale" as well. I'll keep you posted.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Allright then Leon another Keith's please. One more bot of steam from the vault this evening I think.

CLASSIC STEAM # 20 THE BUFFALO BRANTFORD & GODERICH


The BB&G : Fort Erie to Stratford

In the 1850's there was all sorts of speculation over where new rail lines were going to be built./ As the railroad building bug had bitten hard. As the Grand Trunk and Chief Rival Great Western Railway began to build their main routes, the various towns and villages clamoured to get on the lines.Despite the various municipalities wi***o participate in and welcome the railway's to town, the land owners tended to hol dout for top dollar forcing the railways to give many of them a wide berth. Despite the want this was not an exception with the merchants of Brantford.

Tired of shipping their wares and importing raw materials along the slow and seasonal Grand River Canal ( barge canal it's remainder is at the end of my street ), they demanded the fast year round access to markets that the railway's could provide. In 1849 when the Great Western was surveying a route which would pass north of Brantford , the group ( merchants ) formed a company to raise money for a railway to Link Buffalo with Goderich on Lake Huron. to thier delight this initiative met with the favour in both communities and with most of the other municipalities along the proposed line.

Surveys began, starting in Fort Erie, then west to the Grand River where the surveyors followed the east bank of the river into Brantford. the line then crossed the Grand at Paris before angling northwesterly into Stratford. In Stratford it met a roadblock named John Gywnn, who was trying to promote another railway that would run from Toronto to Guelph then on to Goderich. He lobbied parliamment to deny the BBG permission to proceed beyond Stratford. Gwynn failed,and the legislature approved the BBG. Also there were no govt, funds involved in the construction. The BBG was the only railway of it's day built without gov. money.

In 1854, before the Grand Trunk even opened it's Montreal - Toronto line the first wood burning steamer pulled into Brantford from Buffalo. The newspaper's of the day tell of a gala celebration and fireworks in fron t of the court house. With a Grand Ball starting at 8pm in the second story of the depots machine shop ! twop abnds one from Buffalo the other the Brantford Philharmonic and 1500 guests !

Two months later the railroads problems continued. The railway buildings were set ablaze and destroyed. Then when they reached Stratford, in sept., it came face to face with the Grand Trunk which uncerimoniously removed the BBG's rails. The BBG's boss then ordered his local contractor to tear up te Grand Trunk aand relay the BBG, and set men to watch it. The GT had plans of it's own, and sent two carloads of armed and drunken navies. However cooler heads prevailed and the confrontation did not happen.

In Ridgeway ( near Ft Erie )later the same year 30 BBG labourers angry atv not being paid began to rip up tracks. The BBG then brought in scab workjers to repair the damage guarded by 25 speacial constibles. Theifght that ensued left one dead aand several injured.

In 1858 the line finally reached Goderich and instantly hit the profit column. The new terminus at Goderich allowed the BBG to access the Lake freighters which now could make two trips a year instead of one ( sailing vessels ).Townsfolk also could ride the rails to the various beaches and resorts along the Lake shore, something many could not do before the railway.

At Fort Erie, a ferry ( BBG owned) would shuttle people accross the entrance of the Niagara river from Buffalo to a new warf terminal in Ft Eries Downtown, and then later to the GT's Victoria later Bridgeburg station ( approx where the peace bridge is today )


From Ft Erie the line ran strait accross country to Port Colbourne where the first station on the line sat at a diamond ( TH&B)on the east side of the Welland canal. This lione was now called the Buffalo and Lake Huron ( just before the 1869 takeover by the GT ) Mnay local resorts an destinations grew out of this line, Ft Erie racetrack,Crystal Beach amusement park ( & town ) the US Based Humberstone resort at Humberstone, now part of Pt Colbourne. A street is still called Tennessee ave there. Another flag stop called Lorraine was set up to serve a US enclave ( summer homes ) called Point Albino which still refuses non residents access along their private road to a lovely old lighthouse at the point. Which has been designated a National Historical Sight

West of Port Colbourne the BBG established a station at Wainfleet then as it approached the Grand River at Dunnville it made use of the already established river port facilities there and provided transport for local fish and manufactured goods. At Cannfield JCt abit further along, the BBG crossed the Canada Southern and the Canada Air Line . stopping at Port Dover,Caladonia,Cainsville and then finally Brantord.From Brantford it moved onto Paris amd crossed the grand over the high level bridge ( still in use today )before meeting the Great Western at Paris Jct.
From Paris the line continued accross the fertile farm belt to Stratford then onto Guelph and Toronto.

The line is still part of the Corridor 90% of which is still intact. the main Toronto-Buffalo mainline of the CN today.


Rob

[siberianmo]

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[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; cofee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Many thanks for the Toronto material. Brought back more than a few memories. At least it's still there which is more than we can say for the Spadina engine terminal.

Nick - Baby TMs were smaller; generally a question of horsepower and different types of service as you suggested. The TM itself was a beast. Advertising copy at the time suggested that something this big could do the work of "more" units. I need to get back into the technical section of the east wing at the house and get some stats; it'll explain more clearly what I mean.

Jesse James - An interesting sidebar for certain.

Rob - Thanks for the BB&G material. Ft. Erie was a busy place back in the day with CN, Wabash, and NYC activity.

I found this in the stack of stuff last night. It's a 1975-era combined listing of C&O/B&O/WM locomtives that were in service.

Check out the models that were still running.

Road Freight
EMD
F7-42 (all WM)
GP7-205
GP9-543
GP30-117
GP35-85
GP38-130
GP39-20
GP40-363
SD7-5 (all B&O)
SD9-10 (all B&O)
SD18-19 (all C&O)
SD35-41SD40-83
BL2-2 (all WM)

GE (all C&O)
U23B-30
U25B-37
U30B-35
U30C-13

Alco (all WM)
RS2-5
RS3-14

Yard Engines (listed by horsepower)

Alco
900 HP (all WM)
1000HP-80 (all B&O)
EMD
600 HP-12
900 HP-28 (all B&O)
1000 HP-93
1200 HP-84

Date for this compilation is July 2, 1975.

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