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[siberianmo]

G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #2 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1948 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . HOLIDAY HOMECOMING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

There’s nothing quite so pleasant as coming home again . . . Especially when it’s “home for Christmas” . . . and when you take the train!

This is the happy season when Pennsylvania Railroad’s great fleets of trains between East and West, North and South, assume a particularly festive air.

By Pullman, by coach, joyous families are going to visit the folks at home – carefree, or comfortable, relaxed as they speed on their way.

For your holiday travels Pennsylvania Railroad offers a wide choice of daily trains . . . . conveniently scheduled to fit your plans.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pennsylvania Railroad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Mornin' Gents!

Nice to see some "early birds" 'round here. Cofee's free, unless that's all you have - then it's a "fin." [swg]

jlampke John That URL you provided is outstanding. What a piece of work and obviously lots of effort went into the photo spread and narratives accompanying it. "Must" reading for our guys - a Classic Trains Post fer sure, fer sure! [tup][tup]

[yeah] There's lots of work that goes into maintaining this cyber bar ' grill, although there are times when reading through the Posts I come away thinking that there are a few frequenting this place who are a bit long on ignorance and short on praise. The way of the world, eh [?] Too bad. What's the harm in giving a guy an accolade or two when the effort is well worth it [?] Any man who has been a leader of other men knows how that works. Thanx for the recognition. [swg]

barndad Doug Your photo spread from yesterday was "right on" and in keeping with what we're trying to achieve on Sunday Photo Posting Day!. [tup][tup][tup] Looked like your trip to the Illinois capital city was great fun. In looking at that cafe car attendant, I've traveled with him before, between Kirkwood and KCity, MO, but aboard the morning train, not the Ann Rutledge which is a mid afternoon train 'round these parts. Nice work. Also enjoyed the accompanying Post as well - I had wondered what the "story" was behind that great pix. [swg]

Glad you enjoyed the Mentor Village Gazette and whaddyamean you can't believe everything you read [?] That paper prints everything "fit" .... or something like that. [swg]

Insofar as the pix from yesterday are concerned, yes - we had lots more than the past several Sundays, however, early on with this idea, we had at least that amount on more than one occasion - also more contributors. Things just are cyclical, aren't they [?]

An obsesrvation:
I noted that neither of you made any reference to what this day has been "billed" as for weeks! Really [?] It's our 8th Month Anniversary and we should be Posting what has been requested - Christmas season RR travel stories, ads, experiences, etc. Kinda surprised ....... but given the inappropriate ending to yesterday's Posts, perhaps not so much. [tdn]

Okay, I'm going to spend a bit of time doing other things, but will still be behind the bar.

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and friends. I'll have two light breakfasts this morning. I don't think I could keep a third one down after reading about myself in the Mentor Village Gazette today. All I can say is, don't believe everything you read (unless it's officially denied). Well done Tom! I'd like to also compliment your many pics from yourself and Nick, Don, and of course from Rob. Seems to me there were more pix yesterday than we've seen on previous Sundays.

That was a terrific Streamliner #24 Al on the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA. I learn so much from your series.

Mike, your posts continue to contain a wealth of interesting and informative subjects, and your picture links are some of the best I've seen. Thanks for all your contributions!

What an incredible article on the SP 4449 and SP&S 700 derailment John, and very much in keeping with todays theme!

At the risk of being off today's topic, I have a derailment story of my own, which I would like to share. Here's my Part I article of:

The Great Pickleworks Wreck by Ron Ziel – Rail Classics May 1979

Ever since the Long Island Railroad built its mainline out to Greenport in 1814, the route has been synonymous with luxury trains. In the railway vernacular of the 19th century, these plush limiteds were simply called “varnish” in reference to the wooden coaches and parlor cars. Long after steel replaced wood in the railway car builder’s art, the term “varnish” still lingered. In the early years, the fast passenger express trains made the trip from Brooklyn to Greensport in less time than it takes today (two hours, five minutes in 1901, compared to two hours, forty-three now).

The original purpose of the mainline to Greensport was to speed passengers to Boston via a combination of two trains connected by a steamboat across Long Island Sound. By 1850, however, the New York , New Haven & Hartford Railroad had been completed across southern Connecticut, making the through train route faster and more convenient. The LIRR went into its first bankruptcy and began catering more to the needs of local traffic.

With good, fast and comfortable accommodations available right to the Shelter Island Ferry dock in Greensport, many of the most prominent of New York’s most upper crust of society built mansions on Shelter Island and summered there. For their particular needs, the railroad inaugurated a Friday evening express which has operated for nearly a century variously as “The Shelter Island Flyer,” “The Shelter Island Flyer,” or “The Shelter Island Express.” Whichever name it went by, the train was as much a symbol of luxurious travel as was the “Cannon Ball” or the “Sunrise Special” which ran to the Hamptons and Montauk, on Long Island’s South Fork.

By the 1920’s, The Shelter Island Express, double-headed with two locomotives, carried the stock brokers, the diplomats, the Broadway stars and the nabobs to their summer reverie on the North Fork and Shelter Island.

Friday afternoon, August 13, 1926, was hot and muggy in New York, as passengers descended the steps from the high concourse of Penn Station, to the sweltering tunnel level, to board the electric cars for Jamaica, it was 3:50 p.m., when most New Yorkers were still at work. These passengers were obviously well-to-do and their comings and goings were determined by their own whims, rather than by the clock. One was Harold Fish, a prominent stock broker, who lived in East Marion, beyond the terminal at Greenport. A young mother, Mrs. George Schuford, with two children in tow, followed close behind. They sat on the hard wicker seats of the electric car. Precisely at 4 p.m., the train rolled out of the station and into the tepid, damp tunnel, toward Jamaica.

One mile west of Jamaica station, in the Morris Park engine terminal, forty steam locomotives simmered on the ready tracks. More were being wheeled out of the roundhouse and onto the turntable. It was just an hour before the evening rush began. Engineer Squires and fireman Montgomery signed in with the engine-house clerk, walked over to the turntable pit, just in time to see a handsome four-drivered 1906 Pennsylvania Railroad-built D-16sb American-type locomotive, No. 214 drift out of the roundhouse.

Almost noiselessly, the engine rolled the 100 feet to the edge of the turntable and with a loud clunk, clank as the weight shifted the balance of the table, the trim passenger locomotive was aboard. As she was being turned, Squires and Montgomery walked back to the engine-house to get their orders. A few minutes later, they were in the cab of No. 214, at the throat of the yard.

Soon, a larger locomotive – a Camelback type, with the engineer’s cab astride the boiler – rolled up behind No. 214. This was a big 4-4-2 engine, built by Baldwin in 1901, with 876-inch driving wheels. The gold numeral 2 shone on the black flanks of her cab. This was one of the most renowned engines on the road, and the fastest, having hit close to 120 mph on several occasions, when making up lost time.

The crews of both engines compared watches, complained about the heat and wiped the sweat that left wide steaks of soot down their faces and necks, and returned to their cabs. No. 2 coupled onto the rear of No. 214’s tender, there was a blast of No. 2’s whistle, and the tandem of steam and steel slowly chugged out of the engine yard toward the station.

The electric train from Penn Station had barely discharged its passengers at Jamaica when engines 214 and 2 trundled up to the opposite side of the platform. Right behind No. 2 was the Pullman parlor car Easter Lily. Harold Fish was welcomed aboard by the porter, as were 31 other passengers, including Mrs. Schuford and her two children. A few noticed the gathering thunderheads in the muggy sky and remarked that a storm might bring some relief from the oppressive heat. Easter Lily was not air conditioned; all the widows were open, and the cinder screens were up. The screens offered some protection, but by the end of a run, celluloid collars and white bonnets would be grey with fine coal dust.

After an exchange of whistle blasts, the two locomotives began to roll eastward from track number eight. Directly behind Easter Lily was a combination baggage/coach (the baggage section kept the peasants in the coaches out of the first-class parlor car) followed by four more coaches. Three hundred eighty-seven souls bound for Manorville, the first stop, and points east. This was the great “varnish” of the twenties – the Friday-only train, No. 212, The Shelter Island Express!

At Golden’s Pickle Works in Calverton, it was quitting time. Actually, the workers should have stayed until 6 p.m., but it was Friday, hot and humid, and toward the north, rolling over the hills of southern Connecticut and crossing Long Island Sound, an enormous line storm was building up. The foreman at Golden’s decided to let his crew go half an hour early – before the storm hit. The lids were put on the brine barrels, the open sacks of salt were resealed, and by 5:30 p.m. the foreman had locked up the pickle factory doors, and the dozen workers were on their way home; some walking down the dusty road, others sputtering out of the lot in their Model T’s.

[:I] End of Part I ... how's this for a cliffhanger? [:I]

[jlampke]

Mornnin' Tom. I'll have whatever's available and hot, and an apple fritter, on this beautiful, cold Pacific Northwestern morning. We pull in to Indian Island Naval Weapons Station later this morning. [tup] [tup]

First off, a quick thanks for taking the time to try to post my pictures of 4449, and the one of the Kiska. You really put a lot of time and effort into this, Tom. Hats off to you. [tup]
[tup] [tup] [tup] [^] [^]

The name was changed from MSTS to MSC around 1970.

Also, thank you Rob, Don, Doug & Nick for all the interesting pix. Pretty good turn-out, I'd say. [bow] [bow] [bow] [bow]

For a guy who alleges to be "off" on Sunday, you sure were busy, Tom!!

I didn't notice any graffiti on your lay-out. [tup] [tup] A few months ago, one of the
restored, privately-owned passenger cars at the Brooklyn Roundhouse was vandalized by some gutless punk with a spray can. [V] [V] The owners were furious. [:(!] [:(!]

Some sad news: SP 4449 and SP&S 700 derailed Saturday. The word is that it was due to a broken rail. The locomotives were double-heading a short (and sold out) excursion run. They were running slow, and damage was minimal, is my understanding.
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Check out this site;

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/46660482/m/6871005253

I know a few of the people who care for and operate these two fantastic locomotives. They are all top-of-the-line, in my book. Great guys. I'd be there if it were possible.

Sometime in the near future I'll get back down there and get more pix. Wasn't thinking
last summer. [banghead] I should've got one of me & Doyle in the cab of 4449.

The 4-8-4's were both back on the rails within hours and the track repaired later that day. They remained "hot" the whole time, and steamed home on their own power.

I understand it's old 90 lb rail that was originally laid in the 30's or 40's. Sadly, since taking control of the SP's trackage, the UP hasn't been receptive of "foreign" steam running on the lines they control, so the guys running 4449 & 700 run on (usually older & lighter) shortline trackage. [tdn] [tdn]

BNSF has been pretty good about letting them use their (BNSF's) lines up North, is my understanding. [tup] [tup]

Well, just thought you'd all be interested.

John

[siberianmo]

G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #1 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1937 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Enjoy the Christmas Holidays at SUN VALLEY

Opening of the New Challenger Inn

Combining economy with all the Winter Sports of Sun Valley. Modest rates for rooms – popular prices for meals – accommodations for 400 – all in a “mountain village.” Warm water swimming pool – motion picture theatre – two restaurants including unique night club – shops for all your needs.

Sun Valley Lodge

Living at its best! Continental service and comforts. A matchless cuisine. Rooms for single or double occupancy, and suites. Accommodations for 250 guests. American plan.

Nothing like it anywhere else – long, timber free ski runs, deep “powder” snow, brilliant summer sun – skiing stripped to the waist – sleighing in bright moonlight, skating, swimming in warm water open-air pools – the perfect Christmas holidays.

. . . . . . . . . . INTERCOLLEGIATE SKI MEET . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Dartmouth College – University of Washington . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . SUN VALLEY, DECEMBER 29 to JANUARY 1 . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . ONLY UNION PACIFIC SERVES SUN VALLEY . . . . .

For information and Union Pacific representatives in principal cities or write or wire
. . . . . . . . . . K.M. SINGER . . . . . . . . . . W.S. BASINGER . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Gen’l Mgr. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P.T.M. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Sun Valley, . . . . . . . . . . . Union Pacific R.R. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . Idaho . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Omaha, Nebr. . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE PROGRESSIVE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . UNION PACIFIC . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SERVES ALL THE WEST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good (early) Morning,

We are not opened yet, however, to get a leg up on what will be another busy day for the Proprietor in trying to keep this bar 'n grill interesting for the handful who read these things, some acknowledgments and comments are in order:

Thanx go out to barndad Doug (twice) - jdonald Don - nickinwestwales Nick - jlampke John and trolleyboy Rob (twice) for participating in Sunday Photo Posting Day! [tup][tup][tup]

As you should have picked up on by now, the Monday Index feature is "history" as it has been suspended. I have no plans on bringing it back and suggest to those who have individual listings to "bookmark" the page it is on for future use should you decide to maintain your own Index.

The telephone listing idea has received a tepid response and will also be dropped. Thanx to Rob - Pete - Nick and Dan for sharing your numbers. I surely will safeguard them as I trust you will with mine.

I received an interesting Email inquiry from one of our guys and thought I'd share some of it with you:

QUOTE: Tom, you asked for some input regarding the bar and I have a question. Is it ok to provide comments on Sunday over the pictures that are put up for us? I know you prefer to keep the day off limits to the normal exchanges, but how about an attaboy or two?

Open response: Of course comments about the pix are more than welcome and encouraged. As a matter of fact, I'd think those kinds of comments are very appropriate for those who take the time to put the pix Postings together. Thanx for bringing it up! [tup][tup][tup]

Additionally, it sticks out like a sore thumb when someone Posts on Sunday with no mention whatsoever of the pix or the efforts of the submitters. We should be way ahead of the curve with things like this - especially on a thread that takes pride in being inclusive with the Postings. Turn about is fair play and the doors swing both ways 'round here.

We have only one more Sunday Photo Posting Day! remaining in the year - as we are CLOSED on CHRISTMAS - there will be no SUMMARY and no Postings from me on that day.

If anyone wishes me to Post pix for them, PLEASE try to get them to me with some lead time. It takes me about a half hour to download them to my picture file, then upload them to the photo account, download them back to the word processing file, with the final step being a preview "review" on the thread before Posting. That's what it takes, so I ask for your consideration. Thanx!

Okay, Gents - it is the 8th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place and time to kick it off with a Christmas season RR advertisetment from days gone by.

Looking forward to the Posts from all ..... [tup][tup][tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

. . . . . . Mentor Village Gazette . . . . . .

Vol. I, Number 2 . . . . . . . . Monday, December 12, 2005 . . . . . . . . . Free
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ANNIVERSARY EDITION . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

”Our” Place reaches milestone

See Editorial


barndad Doug Inducted into the ORDER OF THE STOOLS

Dec 12th , Mentor Village
By: Verbal Funderburk

barndad Doug was inducted into the Order of the Stools - Reserved on Nov 22nd. With a crowd of free-loaders on hand along with the list of “usual suspects” (aka: customers), the induction ceremonies were carried out by the Selection Committee. This rather nebulous group of societal wannabees commanded about as much attention as a refrigerator salesman in the Klondike.

The induction ceremony was held in the Pool Room of the village bar and grill known as ”Our” Place and was attended by the municipalities leadership, janitorial staff and Bee Keepers society. A rather boisterous gathering toasted the new inductee with song and praise. “Who is this guy [?]” was the overriding theme of the background singers, as the party raged on into the late afternoon. Throughout the ceremony, there appeared to be several distractions, least of which were the “buzzing” of the group by an animal resembling a Parrot, and some “quick steps” by the crowd to avoid being bitten by what appeared to be a crazed Armadillo.

barndad Doug insisted that his acceptance into the group came as a complete surprise, and rejected any notion that his substantial cash “donation” to the Committee’s Railfan Vacation Fund,” had any influence on his selection.

As has been the practice, a spirited bout of pushing, shoving, punching, kicking and gauging broke about amongst the track gangs of the CN, CP and Can-Am railroads. With considerable help from the cloven-footed mutant known as Boris and the rather quiet and somewhat sullen giant of a man called Leon, Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabularly and his sidekick, Mr. Doyle, Private Investigator, restored order by using a tested strategy. Free drinks and a dance with any one of the ”Our” Place staff of beauties. (More on page 17.)


Scandal looms, as inquiry widens
Local Constabulary Caught Out By Typo

Dec 12th, Mentor Village
By: Nickin Westwales (and staff reporters)

Mentor`s finest,Clueless & Doyle are expected to be called in to head office to explain themselves after mobilizing the Counties Armed Response Unit to meet the incoming weekly Can-Am / Cymru Zeppelin service on the grounds that in addition to the usual cargo of beer & deli goods, the Airship was being used as a front for narcotic trafficking.

A measure of confusion ensued before it was realized that the delivery in question was nothing more dangerous than a batch of hand-woven carpeting for local tavern ”Our” Place.
When asked for a quote, a representative from the staff told our reporter " Yes,We are international rug smugglers,now either buy a drink or s*d off,we`re busy tonight."

As first released on Nov 17th, this story has taken on additional ramifications of involvement by some rather prominent officials in Village and County government. The Governor General was unavailable for comment, however, a representative opined, “This nasty business of blatant and flagrant rug abuse has simply got to stop. To purchase these black market floor coverings is to lend credibility to those bent on the destruction of civilized society itself. We must stand as one against the horde! Just say, “No way, Jose, to rug smugglers!”

A Blue Ribbon investigative panel has been assembled to look into the extent of the operation in the Village and County. The names of those serving on the panel have yet to be released, although “unnamed sources” reveal that an academic, a Constable and a business owner will spearhead the effort. An all out push has been undertaken to find sufficient quantities of Blue Ribbon for sashes, emblems and other “badges of office” to distingui***his particular body from any others. [?] It is anticipated that their findings will be released in January.


”Our” Place Rendezvous plans solidified

Dec 12th, Mentor Village
By: Ima Nogo

The First Annual ”Our” Place Classic Trains Rendezvous will take place in the greater Toronto, Ontario, Canada area during the period May 11th through 13th, 2006. Firm commitments have been made by a cast of rather “Unusual Suspects” for this event and include, siberianmo Tom – trolleyboy Rob – Theodorebear Ted and passengerfan Al. Others are expected to join the gathering as the date draws near.

The actual Rendezvous will take place on Friday, May 12th with an all day riding of the steel rails as the highlight. Trains, trolleys and subways are to be the featured attractions. The evening prior to the event will find the group meeting for the first time in person at a local Bistro selected by trolleyboy Rob for the occasion.

There are no provisions for press coverage at this time, as the group of international travelers insists they are not part of any effort to further undermine the relations between the U.S. and Canada. More to follow.


EDITORIAL

”Our” Place celebrates its 8th Month Anniversary today by engaging in something a bit different. The customers have been asked to Post information relating to Christmas and holiday train travel from the past. As we saw with the Veterans/Remembrance Day Postings, some rather poignant and “warm” reminders of days gone by are anticipated.

We congratulate our Village bar and grill for surviving this long and offer this: What state would our village coffers be in if not for the fines paid by clientele and ownership over these 8 months [?]


CLASSIFIED Section

Wanted: One English (as in Great Britain) to English (as in U.S.) phrase translation book for pwolfe Pete.


SPORTS Trivia

Baseball: The Cincinnati Red Stockings were the first pro club , frankly admitting in 1869 that all of its players were salaried. Highest paid were two brothers, Harry and George Wright, $1,400 and $1,200 respectively.

Football: The American Football League (AFL) began play in 1960 with eight teams, in Boston (Patriots), Buffalo (Bills), Dallas (Texans), Denver (Broncos), Houston (Oilers), Los Angeles (Chargers), New York (Titans) and Oakland (Raiders).

Rugby The birth of a sport, thanks to:

. . . . . WILLIAM WEBB ELLIS . . . . .
. . . . . of Rugby College, 1823. . . . . .
This stone commemorates the exploit
. . . . . of William Webb Ellis . . . . .
who with a fine sense of disregard for the rules
of football, as played in his time, first took the
ball in his arms and ran with it, thus originating
the distinctive feature of the Rugby game.
. . . . . A.D. 1823. . . . . .


COMIX

From the Bumper:

* WORK HARDER *
Millions on welfare depend on you!

Driver carries no cash.
He’s married!

Can’t feed ‘em?
Don’t breed ‘em!


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

This feature, called the INDEX, will be suspended following today’s Posting. Recommend you “bookmark” this page for future use.


A helplful hint:

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).


Fallen Flags (passenger ops)

106/150 SP ……… 106/150 MP …….. 108/155/170 WP …. 109/182 Frisco
112/187 CNR . . . . .112/182 Heralds . . 114 ACL .………….. 115 SAL
116 D&RGW ……. 118/181 RI . . . . . . 119 D&H ..…………. 120/144 PRR
122/144 NYC …… 124 UP …………… 125 AT&SF .………. 127 B&O
128 CM&StP ……. 129 CB&Q ………. 130 Soo Line ……… 133 C&NW
134 SP&S ……….. 136 GN ………….. 139 B&M ………….. 140 NH
141 MEC .……….. 142 BAR ………… 145 NP .……………. 146 L&N
147 WRR .……….. 148 C&O ……….. 148 KCS .………….. 151 N&W
152 Erie …………. 152 IC ..………….. 154 NPR .….………. 155 SR
156 CGW ……….. 157 RDG ………… 158 MON ....………. 159 IT
162 LV ………….. 163 GM&O ..…….. 164 Extra


Passenger Train Nostalgia and just plain Nostalgia!

110/181 …. MKT Combined Fallen Flag and Ads
112/187 . . . CNR Ad - Super Continental Time Table
113/144 …. #1 ”Start ups” 1800s & early 1900s
117/144 …. #2 Ad - Vista-Dome sleeper obs-lounge
121/174 …. #3 Ad - CP Hotels & Lodges
124 ………. A tale of Classic Trains BC Rail RDC trip
127 ………. B&O Ad - Strata-Dome
127 ………. B&O Ad – Diesel Electric Trains
129/174 …. #4 Ad - CN Hotels, Ltd.
130 ………. Great Britain #1 Poster - East Coast Route
133 ………. #5 Poster - CP 1886
133 ………. #6 Poster - CP 1950s
134 ………. #7 Poster - Washington & Old Dominion Railway
134 ………. Personal RR journey CPR’s “The Canadian”
135 ………. Great Britain #2 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Great Britain #3 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. #8 Ad – Great Northern
139 ………. #9 Ads – Great Northern
140 ………. #10 Ad – Union Pacific
141 ………. Nostalgia 1956 Hotel Ads
142 ………. Nostalgia Fairbanks-Morse motive power Ad
143 ………. #11 Ad - PRR – The Jeffersonian
145 ………. #12 Ad – NP
146 ………. #13 Ad – L&N
146 ………. Great Britain #4 Poster - Silver Jubilee
147 ………. #14 Ad – Budd & Wabash – New Blue Bird
148 ………. #15 Ad – C&O
149 ………. HERTZ Ad - 1956
151 ………. #16 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. #17 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. North American Steam Loco Wheel Arrangements
154 ………. #18 Ad – Budd RDC (1953)
155 ………. #19 Ad – Budd RDC (1954)
156 ………. #20 Ad – SP, Golden State (1951)
157 ………. #21 Ad – SP, Sunset limited (1951
158 ………. #22 Ad – SP, City of San Francisco (1951)
159 ………. #23 Ad – AT&SF (1950)
161 ………. 9 WWII Ads ENCORE! of Vets/Remembrance Day Commemoration
162 ………. #24 Ad – AT&SF (1951)
163 ………. #25 Ad – AT&SF (1952)
164 ………. #26 Ad – Olympian Hiawatha
166 ………. AVIS Ad – 1956
167 ………. Pocket List of RR Officials Ad – 1956
169 ………. #27 Ad – NYC Aerotrain (1956)
170 ………. #28 Ad – NYC Xplorer (1956)
171 ………. #29 Ad – CP (1950)
172 ………. #30 Ad – CP (1950)
173 ………. #31 Ad – Pullman (1950)
176 ………. #32 Ad – Pullman (1950)
177 ………. #33 Ad – Soo Line – Winnipegger (1956)
178 ………. #34 Ad – Burlington Route (1949)
180 ………. #35 Ad – Soo Line – Mountaineer (1956)
181 ………. #36 Ad – Soo Line – The Laker (1956)
182 ………. #37 Ad – MoPac – Eagle Dome Coaches (1956)
183 ………. #38 Ad – NYC – New 20th Century Ltd (1948)
184 ………. #39 Ad – PRR – Broadway Ltd (1949)


trolleyboy ROB’s Barn

Classic Juice

116/161 …. #1 (The London & Port Stanley L&PS)
123 ………. #2 (The Niagara St. Chatharines Toronto Railway NS&T)
131/155 …. #3 (The Montreal & Southern Counties Railway –MS&C)
134/181 …. #4 (The Brantford and Hamilton B&H)
142 ………. #5 (The Berlin & Water Street Railway - B&WSR)
146 ………. #6 (The Nearside Car)
148 ………. #7 (The Peter Witt Story)
157 ………. #8 (The PCC)
140 ………. #9 (The Nipissing Central)
162 ………. #10 (The Safety Car)
163 ………. #11 (Electricity and the big roads in Canada Part 1 CNR)
180 ………. #12 (The Toronto Civic Railways)
…………… #13 (Rolling Stock of the TCR)

Classic CNR Steam

159 ….. #1 (The Huntsville Subdivision)
163 ….. #2 (The Alliston Subdivision Trains)
165 ….. #3 (Passenger & Freight trains on the Strathroy Subdivision)
170 ….. #4 (Passenger & Mixed trains to Niagara Falls)
........... #5 (Passenger trains on the Brampton & Thorndale
Subdivisions)
176 ….. #6 (The Roustabout)
183 ….. #7 (Passenger Trains at Palmerston, Ontario)
185 ….. #8 (Map of CNR branchlines -1954-)


passengerfan Al’s Streamliner Corner

166 ….. Rocky Mountain Rocket of the CRI&P (Rock Island)
166 ….. Arizona Limited of the CRI&P and SP.
167 ….. Southern Belles of the KCS.
169 ….. #1 Gulf Coast Rebel
.………. #2 Choctaw Rocket
.………. #3 Miss Lou
.………. #4 Illini
170 ….. #5 City of Las Vegas
.………. #6 Land O’Corn
.………. #7 Prospectors
171 ….. #8 Twin Star Rocket
.………. #9 Dixie Flagler
172 … #10 City of Miami
……… #11 South Wind
173 …. #12 Electroliners
……… #13 Streamliners
174 …. #14 Southerners
175 …. #15 Congressional
……… #l6 Senator
177 …. #17 Gopher & Badger
178 …. #18 Advance Denver Zephyrs
179 …. #19 Commodore Vanderbilt
180 …. #20 City of Memphis
181 …. #21 20th Century Limited
184 …. #22 Broadway Limited
……… #23 Empire State Express
185 …. #24 Man ‘O War
188 …. #25 Olympian Hiawatha


barndad Doug’s Roundhouse

168 ….. The Making of a Signalman, Part I
……….. The Making of a Signalman, Part II
……….. The Making of a Signalman, Part III
171 ….. Through Thick & Thin, Part I
……….. Through Thick & Thin, Part II
……….. Through Thick & Thin, Part III
172 ….. Through Thick & Thin, Part IV
174 ….. Walking the Track, Part I
175 ….. Walking the Track, Part II
175 ….. Walking the Track, Part III
178 ….. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part I
………. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part II
184 ….. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part III
……….. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part IV


NOTE: Please try to refrain from Posting on Sundays – that’s MY DAY OFF and these Index compilations take time to format! [swg] Plus it detracts from the idea of Sunday Photo Posting Day! Thank you! [tup]


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

MONDAY’S INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM Monday, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]



The 8th Month Anniversary day for ”Our” Place has arrived! Free coffee (as always) – bakery goods from The Mentor Village Bakery and <light> breakfasts to all who have contributed to making this event a reality!

Let’s get going with those Posts for reminiscing of the RR travels during Christmas season’s past!


Daily Wisdom:

The stuff that makes you tipsy, makes you tip your hand.


Info for the Day:

(1) CONTEST:
What date (time optional) will ”Our” Place reach the next plateau – page 200 [?] BONUS question: WHO will be the one to “turn the page” [?]

Participants . . . . . . Date chosen . . . . (Bonus) Who will put us over the top [?]
(in order of participation)
pwolfe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dec 20th . . . . . . . . . .siberianmo Tom
trolleyboy Rob . . . . . . . . . Dec 18th (12:05 PM) . siberianmo Tom
coalminer3 CM3 . . . . . . . .Dec 18th. . . . . . . . . . siberianmo Tom
barndad Doug . . . . . . . . . Dec 22nd . . . . . . . . . none
nickinwestwales Nick . . . .Dec 27th . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
ftwNSengineer P . . . . . . . Dec 23rd . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
jlampke John . . . . . . . . . Dec 24th (noon) . . . . . siberianmo Tom

CONTEST CLOSED!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 04:59:21 (188) Pix spread!

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 06:47:32 (188) telegram

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 08:03:08 (188) Sunday’s Info & Summary

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 08:27:31 (188) Final S-Capades Pix spread!

(5) barndad Doug Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 09:00:27 (188) Unusual Pix and narrative!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 09:06:34 (188) 2 Pix from Don

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 09:30:07 (188) 4 Pix from Nick

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 10:38:38 (188) Six Pix from display case #3

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 13:55:15 (188) 1 pix from John

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 17:29:49 (188) Pix spread!

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 18:35:09 (188) more Pix!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 18:44:13 (188) 9 Can-Am Pix!

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 18:52:27 (188) Closed on Sunday!

(14) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 19:52:26 (188) Streamliner #24 – Olympian Hiawatha

=======================================
That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[passengerfan]

Good Evening Tom. Apoligize for slipping this under the door on Sunday but have a very hectic schedule tomorrow and would not have time to post this.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #24

OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA CMSTP&P trains 15-16 inaugurated June 29, 1947 Chicago-Seattle/Tacoma 2,189 miles 45 hours each way.

The third new streamliners between Chicago and the Pacific Northwest to enter service in 1947 was the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA of tyhe Milwaukee Road. The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was the only streamlined train between Chicago and the Pacific Northwest to operate over its own rails for the entire distance.

The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was the Milwaukee Roads first and only HIAWATHA to operate in overnight service and was operated over the greatest distance of any HIAWATHA.

The new OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA when inaugurated was operated with A-B-A sets of Fairbanks Morse Erie built diesels between Chicago and Tacoma. Later this would change to Diesel - Electric - Steam - Electric in 1949 brought about by the National coal strike.

The new OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA train sets were constructed in the Milwaukee Roads own Milwaukee, Wisconsin shops except for the lightweight streamlined sleeping cars and Skytop Sleeper Lounge Observations built by Pullman Standard. with the last of these cars not completed until Januray 1949. Before the lightweights from P/S were delivered the OLYMPIAN HIWATHA rain sets operated with a heavyweight Sleeper and Heavyweight Sleeper Lounge Open Platform Observation.

The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was was interesting for a postwar streamliner in that it operated with newly constructed Touralux sleeping cars (Milwaukee Roads name for Tourist Sleeping Cars). The Milwaukee Road was the only railroad in North America to construct new lightweight streamlined Tourist sleeping Cars. This was at a time when most heavyweight Tourist sleeping cars were being withdrawn from service from the other western roads. Years later the NP would introduce Slumbercoaches to the NORTH COAST LIMITED but these were private room cars and the Touralux cars were open section type.

The new OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was scheduled for 45 hours between Chicago and Seattle with Tacoma still one hour beyond Seattle. Tacoma was where the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHAS were cleaned and serviced for the return trips to Chicago.

Initially the OLYMPIAN HIWATHAS were twelve car trains between Chicago and Seattle /Tacoma but by the time the two lightweight streamlined sleeping from Pullman Standard replaced the last two heavyweight cars the trains had been reduced to ten cars.

One disadvantage the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA coaches had when compared to the EMPIRE BUILDER, CITY OF PORTLAND and NORTH COAST LIMITED coaches was the lack of leg rest seats.

CONSIST ONE
5A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

5B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

10A FM -GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1209 Express 30' Railway Post Office Car

1310 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

483 52-Revenue Seat Coach

484 52-Revenue Seat Coach

485 52-Revenue Seat Coach

163 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5771 CHIPPEWA FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper (Women & Children)

5742 MT. McKINLEY 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5743 MT. BOSLEY 14-Section Tourist Sleeping Car

116 40-Seat Dining Car

WACOUTA Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SILVER PLUME Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST TWO

6A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

6B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

10B FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1211 Express 30' Railway Post Office Car

1312 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

489 52-Revenue Seat Coach

490 52-Revenue Seat Coach

491 52-Revenue Seat Coach

165 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5773 CRYSTAL FALLS 32-Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper (Women & Children)

5746 MT. ST. HELENS 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5747 MT. WILSON 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

118 40-Seat Dining Car

KITTSON Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CRYSTAL POINT Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST THREE

7A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

7B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

11A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1213 Express 30'Railway Post Office Car

1314 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

495 52-Revenue Seat Coach

496 52-Revenue Seat Coach

497 52-Revenue Seat Coach

167 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5775 CANNON FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Sectoin Touralux Sleeper (Women & Children)

5750 MT. HAROLD 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5751 MT. ANGELES 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

120 40-Seat Dining Car

LA CROSSE Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SILVER CITY Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST FOUR

8A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

8B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

11B FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1208 Express 30'Railway Post Office Car

1309 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

480 52-Revenue Seat Coach

481 52-Revenue Seat Coach

482 52-Revenue Seat Coach

162 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5770 SIOUX FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper

5740 MT. SPOKANE 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5741 MT. WASHINGTON 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

116 40-Seat Dining Car

WYOCENA Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CRYSTAL BAY Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST FIVE

9A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

9B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

12A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1210 Express 30' Railway Post Office Car

1311 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

486 52-Revenue Seat Coach

487 52-Revenue Seat Coach

488 52-revenue Seat Coach

164 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5772 GRANITE FALLS 31-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper (Women & Children)

5744 MT RAINIER 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5745 MT. RUSHMORE 14-Section Sleeper

117 40-Seat Dining Car

SPARTA Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SILVER LEAF Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST SIX

5A FM-GE Erie 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

5B FM-GE Erie 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

10A FM-GE Erie 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1212 Express 30' Railway Post Office Car

1313 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

492 52-Revenue Seat Coach

493 52-Revenue Seat Coach

494 52-Revenue Seat Coach

166 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5774 METALINE FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper (Women & Children)

5748 MT. HOPE 14 Section Touralux Sleeper

5749 MT. STUART 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

119 40-Seat Dining Car

KILBOURN Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SILVER BEACH Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

Between October 1948 and the end of January 1949 the heavyweight sleeping cars were replaced with 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom sleeping cars and new streamlined lightweight 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observations from Pullman Standard as follows:

CONSIST ONE

2-COEUR D'ALENE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

18-SPANISH CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

7 LAKE CHATCOLET 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

17 MARBLE CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

CONSIST THREE

4-LAKE PEPIN 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

16 GOLD CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

CONSIST FOUR

11 LAKE CRESCENT 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

15 COFFEE CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

CONSIST FIVE

9 LAKE NASHOTAH 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

14-ARROW CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

CONSIST SIX

6-LAKE PEND OREILLE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

12 ALDER CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

In 1949 during the National Coal strike the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA became the only streamlined train in the United States to operate behind Diesel Electric and Steam on its trip between Chicago and Seattle/Tacoma. Due to a shortage of diesels the Milwaukee Road operated the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA between Chicago and Harlowton, Montana behind FM-GE diesels. From there to Avery, Idaho the power was Electric Motors. From Avery to Othello Washington power was either an oil burning Northern or oil burning Hudson. And from Othello to Tacoma the power was once again electric motors.

In December 1952 just in time for the busy Christmas rush new Super Domes were introduced to the traveling public on the OLYMPIAN HIWATHA and MORNING and AFTERNOON HIAWATHAS. These cars seated 68 passengers on the dome level and featured a Cafe and and 28 seat lounge on the lower level of these first full length dome cars.They replaced the Coffee Shop TipTop Tap lounge cars and were trainlined ahead of the dining car behind the Touralux sleepers.

The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was discontinued May 22, 1961 unable to compete with the likes of the GN EMPIRE BUILDER, NP NORTH COAST LIMITED or UP CITY OF PORTLAND.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

And finally ..... No acknowledgments today from me, per se, we are CLOSED ON SUNDAY!. So, of course, Rob you could interest me in a Blue BUT we are CLOSED on SUNDAY! [swg]

Hope those of you who viewed these offerings enjoyed them. They take quite a bit of work and I for one appreciate the efforts! [tup][tup][tup] (One of those [tup] goes to me for all of my Posts!)

We open at 6 AM on Monday.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here are 9 pix from the Can-Am HO layout for this fine day:

click to enlarge

(1) GMC “Fishbowls” have arrived in Can-Am City!


(2) GMC “Fishbowls” at the Bus Depot in Can-Am City!


(3) VIA Rail HQ building in Can-Am City!


(4) Main Street in Can-Am City!


(5) Rail and Truck terminals on the Can-Am!


(6) Truck terminal on the Can-Am!


(7) Lumber yard on the Can-Am!


(8) Lumber yard on the Can-Am!


(9) Lumber yard on the Can-Am!



That’s it for me - enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[trolleyboy]

Howdy Hi there Tom, I see that you are in can I intrest you in a blue[?]

here's a couple more shots of generaltrains and streetcars.


Small witt car 2666 at the TTC's hillcrest shops , photo's from 1946. Not the join the RCAF poster on the ad board.



Large Witt 2424 and snowplow TP-11 infront of the museum's rockwood station. xmas show.



Fall at the HCRY small witt 2786 comming back west bound on the mainline.



Small witt 2894 in front of Rockwood station.


Another fallen flag shot. C&NW GP7 switching at St Charles Illinois summer 1994

enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

Here's another couple of shots from bayview



Cp rail train heading up CN's oakville sub. CP rail serves the Oakville Ford assembly plant an duses CN's route through Bayview jct. ( Old TH&B trackage rights )



Track level shot of CN train at Bayview jct



Via train 94 from Niagara falls at Bayview jct



sideview of OSR RS18u at St Thomas Ontario

enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon folks. Wonderfull pictures so far. I'll give appropriate replies to earlier posts later. [#welcome] back Don good to see you. Ans thank's for sending through a shot of my favourite locomotive type the RS-18. Anu way first round s the pictures that I wwas unable to put up last week. these shots will correspond with my last Classic Juice piece on the Toronto Civic railway. First three shots show the TCT cars as they appeared in later TTC service. Click To Enlarge



This shot is Toronto Civic car #2 arriving on GTW railway flatcar in 1915



Ex TCR Birney car #63 in service as TTC 2222 in 1946



Single truck sweeper S19 ( TTC number ) cae was TCR #6 built 1915



TCR #55 in TCR paint at our museum August 2005 car originally built in 1915



TCR #52 at our museum as in it's rebuilt state as subway grinder RT7 original blt 1915



Ex TCR 57 at our museum as it now is as surface railgrinder W28 original blt 1917

Three sisters still with us !

Enjoy Rob

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here is pix from John for this fine day:

click to enlarge

USNS Kiska T-AE-35 (Ammunition ship) – John’s “home” away from home


Thanx, John! Hopefully we’ll iron out the secret to uploading those other pix and get to the guys ……


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here are six Pix from display case #3 – home of the “retired” Canadian RR passenger trains, except for the bottom shelf!

click to enlarge

(1) Temporary home for Red Bird subway cars


(2) Temporary home for R17 subway cars


(3) Retired transit buses


(4) Retired transit buses


(5) Canadian RR motive power


(6) Display case #3 (Lionel O-gauge Polar Express atop)



Enjoy!


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here are 4 pix from Nick for this fine day:

click to enlarge

#1


#2


#3


#4



As always, fine pix, Nick! We look forward to the descriptions.

Go to http://photobucket.com/albums/b222/siberianmo/Nicks%20pix/ to see the rest of Nick’s Pix!


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here are 2 pix from Don for this fine day:

click to enlarge

(1) CN RS18 locos at Glencoe, ON


(2) VIA Rail FPA4 at Sarnia, ON



Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[Anonymous]

I posted the following picture recently, but did not have the information associated with it until now. Here goes!


PARIS, GARE DE L'OUEST (FRANCE) 1895

Brake failure - Overrunning of end of track in station - Locomotive falls out of the station

On 23 October 1895, at 16:00, the Granville-Paris local passenger train No 56 of the then French Western Railway, consisting of the locomotive, two luggage vans, a postal van, two first-class, four second-class, and five third-class coaches, that is fourteen vehicles in all, met with a curious accident in consequence of failure of the Westinghouse brake.

Since, in spite of all the exertions of the locomotive crew, who were considered to be very reliable, the speed of the train, which was about 45 km/h (28 mph), could not be reduced, the buffer stops at the end of the track were overrun, and the end wall of the terminus, over a metre thick, was broken through.

The locomotive, which in spite of the force of the impact did not break away either from the train or the tender, fell through the resulting opening on to the pavement, ten metres below, and there wrecked a newspaper shop, the proprietress of which was killed. Driver and fireman saved themselves in time by jumping out before the fall.

The train then came to an instantaneous halt, and only trifling injuries to its passengers were to be recorded.

The damage to rolling stock was insignificant.

As a railway accident, it ranks as a classic. What do think the driver said afterwards? "Oh, ***" or the French equivalent of "Sorry Boss, the brakes failed"? In almost every similar railway accident I have been involved with or heard about, the driver will always say "the brakes failed". It's the first reaction one gets if a driver overruns anything and especially if it results in an expensive mess like this one. It is almost always an error of judgement. In this case however, it is believed to have been an iced up brake pipe.

There were similar incidents in the UK in the last 40 years including one at Hammersmith (Metropolitan Line, London) when a driver overran the stops. He made a considerable amount of noise in the process, so much so that the booking office clerk opened the door to see what was going on and was amazed to see a train parked outside. He was actually very lucky the train didn't go far enough to demoli***he booking office.

In another incident at the old Hounslow West terminus of the Piccadilly Line, the driver hit the stops and collided with the wall beyond, which happened to be part of the staff toilet. An occupant who was in it at the time was not terribly amused but, so the story goes, it cured his constipation.

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here are some final Pix of the continuing landscaping progress with the S Capades layout. All that remains is a bit more ground cover and 3 dozen deciduous trees!

(1) S-Capades nearly done!


(2) S-Capades nearly done!


(3) S-Capades nearly done!


(4) S-Capades nearly done!


(5) S-Capades nearly done!


(6) S-Capades nearly done!


(7) S-Capades nearly done!


(8) S-Capades nearly done!


(9) S-Capades nearly done!


(10) S-Capades nearly done!


(11) S-Capdes nearly done!



Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM Monday, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

We are CLOSED on SUNDAY! However, as our regular customers know, this is Sunday Photo Posting Day! – so Post ‘em if you got ‘em! [swg]

As always, this day is not for two-way dialogue. However, there are always exceptions, so - you may drop your Posts through the slots in either set of front doors, and I’ll see they show up at the bar. [swg]


Daily Wisdom:

Drunks sober up. Fools remain fools.


Info for the Day:

(1) CONTEST:
What date (time optional) will ”Our” Place reach the next plateau – page 200 [?] BONUS question: WHO will be the one to “turn the page” [?]

Participants . . . . . . Date chosen . . . . (Bonus) Who will put us over the top [?]
(in order of participation)
pwolfe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dec 20th . . . . . . . . . .siberianmo Tom
trolleyboy Rob . . . . . . . . . Dec 18th (12:05 PM) . siberianmo Tom
coalminer3 CM3 . . . . . . . .Dec 18th. . . . . . . . . . siberianmo Tom
barndad Doug . . . . . . . . . Dec 22nd . . . . . . . . . none
nickinwestwales Nick . . . .Dec 27th . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
ftwNSengineer P . . . . . . . Dec 23rd . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
jlampke John . . . . . . . . . Dec 24th (noon) . . . . . siberianmo Tom

CONTEST CLOSED!

(2) MARK YOUR CALENDAR!

Tomorrow, the 12th, is the 8th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place! An appropriate way to celebrate our “founding day” is to Post information relating to travel by rail during the Christmas holiday season!

(3) Monday Index to be suspended after tomorrow, due to time constraints on yours truly and questionable utility for our customers.

(4) An idea regarding the maintenance of telephone numbers for our members was Posted a few days ago by the Proprietor. See my 08 Dec 2005, 11:55:10 Post. Anyone wishing to participate may communicate with me by Email. Responses have been poor, so thus far I’d say there’s little or no serious interest.


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 01:20:00 (186) Inclusive Post, etc.

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 07:10:31 (186) Saturday Info & Summary

(3) wanswheel Mike Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 08:20:06 (187) Inclusive Post, etc.

(4) jdonald Don Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 08:54:54 (187) He’s baaaaaaaack!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 10:15:13 (187) reply to jdonald, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 11:04:03 (187) Acknowledgments, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 11:14:11 (187) ENCORE! Fallen Flag – CNR

(8) barndad Doug Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 11:25:02 (187) Pix

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 12:13:59 (187) reply to barndad

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 12:20:31 (187) ENCORE! Nostalgia – Super Continental sked

(11) jlampke John Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 14:12:17 (187)

(12) pwolfe Pete Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 14:30:46 (187) Inclusive Post, etc.

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 15:04:03 (187) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 16:18:35 (187) Sat Nite Menu, etc.

(15) jdonald Don Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 16:57:53 )187)

(16) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 17:27:47 (187) Inclusive Post, etc.

(17) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 10 Dec 200, 20:06:00 and 20:07:53 (187) Bonus Post!

(18) jlampke John Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 20:34:06 (187)

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 20:32:28 (187) Acknowledgments, etc.

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 20:45:13(187) reply to nickinwestwales & jlampke

(20) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 10 Dec 2005, 20:57:34 (187) EMD E7, 8, 9 info,.etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Western Union wire to earlydiesels Dan. Sunday 12/11/05, 07:45, St. Petersburg, Florida.

Subject: William Baines book "The B & O in the Civil War." STOP Theodorebear would like a copy of book STOP Please forward information to his e-mail addy STOP Best regards STOP

[Anonymous]

Good morning friends! Here are my Sunday photos of the trip my family took with my 20th Century Railroad Club’s outing to Springfield Illinois last weekend:

Here’s our group settling in. I believe we had 72 people.


The Ann Rutledge runs from Chicago to Kansas City. The actual Ann Rutledge from Abraham Lincolns 1st sweetheart, who passed away in 1835.

This is the “old” statehouse building. Actually, there were 4 that preceded it.

Here is the current statehouse:


The Lincoln Presidential Museum:

Exhibits inside the museum:


The Dana-Thomas House, designed by Frank Lloyd Wright:

Springfied Union Station:

Art above the ticket windows at Union Station:

Respectfully submitted by your Barndad …

[Anonymous]

Hello everyone. I'll take a house draught please, Tom. Had a great time on the Christmas train last Saturday. Our coaches are not heated and the temperature never got above 25 all day. We had a small propane torpedo heater in one coach while the train was at the depot but for safety, it was removed at train time. Luckily, we used the former Canadian Pacific coaches and they are well insulated. Santa himself received guests in a 1897 combine that has a pot belly stove and it was somewhat warm if kinda foggy. We had 248 passengers and plenty of good reviews. Yes, I in my conductor uniform was compared to Tom Hanks in Polar Express. This experience put both of us in the holiday spirit. Still haven't finished all the Christmas card mailing, though.
Plenty of great posts. Started catching up this afternoon and just finished now. Did'nt take notes like I generally do so when I respond to something it will be off the top of my head.
E7 vs E8. E7 has a row of louvers directly behind the cab door on both sides and rectangular windows(except MP) Also louvers on roof. Try to find a pix of NYC passenger trains. Look at the Eunits hauling the train. The lightning stripes between the E7 and E8 don't match because the body belt line is different. E8 roof is much different--look for winterization hatch over each of the prime movers. BTW, the only external difference between E8 and 9 is the headlight.
Found 2 copies of William Bain's book "The B&O in the Civil War" at the local hobby emporium today. Anyone interested???
I thoroughly enjoyed the recollections of the steam fireman. This industry we all love in some aspect or another is infinetly more interesting when told thru someone who actually lived it to give life to what could just be another study of statistics, rivets, etc.
Tom, I'll take another house draught, please. I totally agree with your view on Elvis. IMHO, he was and is overrated and I too can only stand Blue Christmas from his catalog in moderation.
Wish I could be here more often but with the new job, go to bed early to get up early leaves very small amount of time for visiting the bar. Weekends are the catchup time for all my endeavors.

[siberianmo]

Yo Nick!

Your last Post (and Bonus version!) puts the appropiate topper on one fantastic day and night at "Our" Place! Take one of the suites upstairs for yourself - the floor can wait for 'nother time! G'wan, while the music is blarin' out those selections - all good ones by the way. Was listening to Mick 'n the Boyz this evenin' - "Jumpin' Jack Flash is a Gas, Gas Gas, but it's alllllllllllllllright nowwwwwwwwww......" [yeah] One of the better selections.

Carol is most impressed by that "heart rendering" toast and wants you to know that if this is an indication of what May will be like, perhaps she will have to keep closer tabs on her sailor man! [swg]

Okay, time to skeedaddle, as Leon is waitin' to shine the glasses! Ring the bell, Boris - set 'em up Leon - drinks on me!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

P.S. jlampke John Email sent .... I await the Pix! [tup]

[jlampke]

Evenin' Tom, gents. A round for the house, please, and the usual for me.

Tom, please send a message to me at my e-mail address so that I'll have your e-mail address. I'm having trouble sending those pictures to you on this site. [banghead] Thanks.

Nick, a large plate of that calamari from the galley kitchen sure sounds good right now, if the stove's still hot. [dinner] That is, in fact, one of my favorites. [tup]

Interesting comments P, IRT your preference to keep your involvement
in this site a secret from your fellow railroaders. I've heard other people say that also, regarding railroaders. Seems kind of sad [:(] to me.

If I'm not mistaken, Al is the resident passenger train expert here, right? [?]
Do you know if any of the articulated 3-car sets used on the SP Daylight trains in
the '30's still exist? [?] If so, where are they? [?]

Ted & Tom, received both of your e-mails. Thanks. [tup] The pix have
been sent.

Tom, Dan, I too, have never been particularly fond of Elvis' music, and personally,
have always thought this business of all those people going to Graceland for his birthday or the anniversary of his death or whatever to be absolutely ridiculous. To
his credit though, he served in the Army when called.

Well, I'm out of here until tomorrow. We advance the clocks one hour again tonight
as we steam into the Pacific Standard Time zone. Later gents.

[siberianmo]

Gentlemen at the Bar!

A good evening to one and all and I'd say this Saturday has been the exception to the rule.

First, we've had quite a turn out for a day that has been historically slow - which is why the ENCORE! idea came about.

Second - Nick prepared a Saturday night feast of choices fit for Royalty. [wow] - Usually it's just another night for steak - but he really has tempted us, eh [?] Thanx, Chief Chef [C=:-)], great effort! [tup][tup][tup]

Finally, thanx to the Inner Circle for the commitments requested on Tuesday and Wednesday. Very much appreciated! "Our" Place will be in good hands - AND - Cindy said she'd work behind the bar both days. [wow][yeah][:-,][}:)]

So, to nickinwestwales Nick - jdonald Don and Theodorebear Ted thanx for the recent Posts which capped off one of our finer Saturdays, fer sure, fer sure! [tup]

Don An Email has been sent regarding the Pix .... Looks like we'll have a better Sunday Photo Posting Day! than last week's rather sparce turnout. Good show!

Remember guys, Sundays we are CLOSED and the dialogue can continue on Monday morning .......

pwolfe Pete If you happen by this evenin' - your Email has been received - we're all set for our Amtrak adventure. Lookin' forward to Part Deux with you! [swg]

Ted It appears you are back to your old form once again - hopefully for a long duration! Isn't quite the same 'round here without your optimism, support and sense of humo(u)r! [tup][tup][tup]

Thanx to those of you who bought me a drink or three! [tup][tup]

WHO is that lovely red headed gal sitting on P's red stool [?]

Later (maybe) - Leon the Night Man takes over at 9 PM .......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Right My Lambkins,given that some of us are just heading home right now,whilst the rest of us are just getting our `glad rags` on for a night on the town (these time zones are a killer),can we find a moment to raise a glass to Mrs Carol Weber,who,after waiting for many years for her man to come home from the sea has now lost him to a strange backwater in cyberspace,peopled by other eccentrics & fine people who share the vision.
Carol-We thank you for the loan of your man-We will return him in good order,I promise !!
Right, mobile phones-don`t get me started-if you want to fry your brains,do it the old-fashioned way,drink & drugs !!!!
A quick selection for Herr Wurlitzter before I retire to the galley again,Helter Skelter,Back in the U.S.S.R,While My Guitar Gently Weeps,Dear Prudence & the sublime Old brown shoe- looks like a quarter well spent-Here`s a dollar on the bar for some selections from Sir Mick,Doctor Death & that nice Mr Watts from Wembley
Apologies chaps,the drink has won the day here,time for me to make myself scarce,will reply to posts when capable of intelligent discourse,hope you enjoy the food,lets enjoy sun. pix-certainly the highlight of my week,Christmas tales on Monday--how good can it get,
O.K.-back to the galley-----(dilemma-I`ve just had one of the youngsters in the club offer me Two Fender Stratocaster Guitars plus a 50 Watt Marshall amp for £100-about a tenth of their value,despite my insistance that he should sell them for what they are actually worth,he is determined to let me have them,even to the point where he is bringing them across to my house in the next couple of days expecting to walk away with cash-A large part of me says `Hi,put em down there,here`s your money,however there is still the small voice that says`No,this is wrong-advertise in the Mentor Gazette and others & get your price-please advise-I woudn`t mind but I`m no lover of Strats,Its the Telecaster for me every time........
Perceptive readers will note that this has nothing to do with trains at all,merely sharing some confused thinking-do I go for the conscience or the easy opportunity..........will defer from descision making until I`ve had some feedback from the floor,sleep well,be happy,nick[C=:-)]

[nickinwestwales]

Right My Lambkins,given that some of us are just heading home right now,whilst the rest of us are just getting our `glad rags` on for a night on the town (these time zones are a killer),can we find a moment to raise a glass to Mrs Carol Weber,who,after waiting for many years for her man to come home from the sea has now lost him to a strange backwater in cyberspace,peopled by other eccentrics & fine people who share the vision.
Carol-We thank you for the loan of your man-We will return him in good order,I promise !!
Right, mobile phones-don`t get me started-if you want to fry your brains,do it the old-fashioned way,drink & drugs !!!!
A quick selection for Herr Wurlitzter before I retire to the galley again,Helter Skelter,Back in the U.S.S.R,While My Guitar Gently Weeps,Dear Prudence & the sublime Old brown shoe- looks like a quarter well spent-Here`s a dollar on the bar for some selections from Sir Mick,Doctor Death & that nice Mr Watts from Wembley
Apologies chaps,the drink has won the day here,time for me to make myself scarce,will reply to posts when capable of intelligent discourse,hope you enjoy the food,lets enjoy sun. pix-certainly the highlight of my week,Christmas tales on Monday--how good can it get,
O.K.-back to the galley-----(dilemma-I`ve just had one of the youngsters in the club offer me Two Fender Stratocaster Guitars plus a 50 Watt Marshall amp for £100-about a tenth of their value,despite my insistance that he should sell them for what they are actually worth,he is determined to let me have them,even to the point where he is bringing them across to my house in the next couple of days expecting to walk away with cash-A large part of me says `Hi,put em down there,here`s your money,however there is still the small voice that says`No,this is wrong-advertise in the Mentor Gazette and others & get your price-please advise-I woudn`t mind but I`m no lover of Strats,Its the Telecaster for me every time........
Perceptive readers will note that this has nothing to do with trains at all,merely sharing some confused thinking-do I go for the conscience or the easy opportunity..........will defer from descision making until I`ve had some feedback from the floor,sleep well,be happy,nick[C=:-)]