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[siberianmo]

MONDAY'sINFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


A fresh start to as new week, a holiday for many. Why not begin it with us by drawing a hot cup of freshly brewed coffee[?] While you’re at it, try our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts along with freshly baked pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery!

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Special mention goes out to trolleyboy Rob – barndad Doug – Theodorebear Ted – and – LoveDomes Lars for Sunday’s Photo Postings! Also, honorable mention to passengerfan Al for those descriptions of the Dome Montage posted by moi!

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Daily Wisdom

I double checked it six times. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

None.

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 01:29:08 (220) Sunday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 05:00:23 (220) 7 Pix!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 07:30:56 (220) 2005 Sunday Photo Posting Day! INDEX

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 08:12:10 (220) 7 Pix, part deux!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 08:50:27 (220) Pix – Dome montage, part I of II

(6) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 09:02:19 (220) 4 Domes!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 09:46:01 (220) 4 Pike Pix from Ted!

(8) passengerfan Al Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 09:59:28 (221) Descriptions of dome montage![tup]

(9) No recognition [tdn] Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 11:03:43 (221) Rude![tdn]

(10) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 11:09:02 (221) 4 more Dome pix!

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 15:14:00 (221) Pix – Dome montage, part II of II

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 17:56:26 (221) Unworthy Post

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 23:09:50 (221) 6 pack of pix!

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Jan 2006, 23:31:17 (221) 6 pack of pix! part deux


NOW SHOWING at The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre:

. . . January 16th thru 21st: Disaster on the Coastliner (1979-TV) starring Lloyd Bridges, Raymond Burr & Robert Fuller.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Good morning early folks. Tom, I think a cuppa Joe and a toasted English will do it, thanks. While in the "gratitude" mode, thanks so much for the trouble of "making a silk purse from a Sow's ear."[tup] All of these pix of my humble efforts are "work in progress" types. These are very early "shots" and much has changed since then. I hope to be prepared to make "updates" with decent camera equipment very soon. Sunday Photo Posting was a compelling addition to the already high standards set previously. We all owe a debt of gratitude for the efforts of these Contributors, many thanks![tup][tup][tup].

Barndad Doug, the Chicago Tunnel Company was unkown to me until P.B.S. ran a documentary that entailed a tour of the remnants still existing. It seems there was a special group of rail historians who arranged a guided tour and the running dialogue covered the purpose, history and operations. I'll try to find the details in my V.C.R. archives for later posting. Ya gotta love the abundent info and data volunteered on the Dome Cars along with the fine photos.[^] Rob, of course you already know what a "feast for the eyes" your traction submissions are for me.[tup] Can't wait to see, hear and yes, even ride the "real McCoy" come this Spring. There are so many great things coming from our most recent guests that proper recognition perhaps should be forthcoming in a more official way? Any rate, "Our" Place has earned the status of THE Place to be through everyone's generous efforts. Happy M. L. King Day to one and all. I have been envolved in a bit of the "M. L. K. Parade" coordinating (Downtown) and the logistics of 25 local and visiting marching bands commemorating the event. I can't stay long but will return a.s.a.p. Okay Boris, "let 'er rip" and coffee is on me this day. Happy rails to all.

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Another fine day here in mid-continent USA as the blue skies continue with the warm-up expected to reach the 60s (F). As unpredictable as January can be, this month has been spring-like thus far for the most part. C'mon SNOW![tup]

Check the SUMMARY for recognition on Sunday Photo Posting Day![tup]

Some acknowledgments are in order:

barndad Doug Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 05:40:14 and 05:52:29

Nice start for a new day!

Track gang and rules[?] Kinda like a match and a striker![swg] Of course, partaking on the job as opposed to off is another matter. Just as long as they don't bring the remnants of their shenanigans to work!

Good stuff on the Chicago Tunnel Company and the Russian Decapods. I would imagine your 8 fingers and two thumbs have gotten quite a workout with all the typing you've done![swg][tup]

Thanx for kick-starting our morning, much appreciated.[tup][tup]

Theodorebear Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 07:45:05

Holiday Mondays set the stage for a long work week, at least that's how I recall them. My bride feels the same way, as a four-day week somehow really "feels" longer than most.

Caught your comment on recognition for the newcomers. Question is, where are they these days[?] Only one seems to border on being a regular lately. Too soon to make any conclusions regarding our newest attendee, but fer sure, fer sure, he is on the right track! The January meeting of The Selection Committee has yet to take place. However, some not-so-new-guys may be “elevated,” we’ll have to wait ‘n see. [^]

Appreciate your stoppin’ by and hope you have a wonderful day at the parade![tup]
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I expect things to be slow today, Gents, so perhaps some ENCORE! pieces will be provided as we progress through the day.[yeah]


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: FIRST POSTED ON PAGE 142

Bangor & Aroostook (BAR)

Headquarters: Bangor, ME

Mileage:

1950: 616
2000: 433

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesels: 46

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 4,646 – Passenger cars: 2

Principal lines in 1950 (all in Maine):

Searsport-Derby-Fort Kent
Brownville-Brownville Jct.
Northern Maine Jct.-Bangor
Derby-Greenville
Old Town-South Lagrange
South Lagrange-West Seboois
Oakfield-Phair-Presque Isle-Van Buren
Van Buren-St. Francis
Squa Pan-Stockholm
Mapleton-Presque Isle
Caribou-Limestone
Phair-Fort Fairfield

Passenger Trains of note:

Aroostock Flyer (Bangor-Van Buren via Houlton and Presque Isle, with through cars from Boston via Northern Maine Jct.)
Potatoland Special (Bangor-Van Buren via Houlton and Presque Isle, with through cars from Boston via Northern Maine Jct.)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[LoveDomes]

Good Day to all!

Hello Tom, looks like your photo day was a rousing success and I must say, you beat me to the punch with those dome posters! They were all set for submission when I noticed yours. That’s quite a photo site, isn’t it? The people at train.web.org really provide a nice service and it is appreciated![tup][tup]

To Doug - Rob - and Ted your photo's were looked at, enjoyed and envied in some cases. Ted There's absolutely no reason whatsoever to clairfy or otherwise caveat your work. Nicely done and there's evidence of a keen eye for detail![tup] And, Al you picked up nicely on Tom's Dome Poster, but how about the 2nd one[?][swg]

Only one “blem” and once again from the jerk of all jerks who I alluded to in a previous post. It doesn’t take a whole lot to figure out that this guy mustn’t have had very many toys to play with as a kid, for he surely likes to “flex” on the forums. Oh to be so omnipotent. We cannot keep them from making their thoughts known, but we sure in blazes don’t have to encourage them with our direct recognition. I totally support the policy of the bar![tup][tup][tup]

Please, please, one and all, refrain from any “counseling” in my direction, I am totally in control and after all, this is the never-never-land of the cyber void. Just venting. Boris my man (if that’s what you really are[?][?]!!) ring that bell and Tom, set up a round on me! Will the ten spot handle it[?]

Today is a holiday, or so they tell me. When retired, these days all run together, with hardly any distinguishing factors separating them out – except Sunday. That’s the Lord’s Day in our house and we do take it rather seriously. My wife and I do not shop on Sunday’s nor do we spend any time doing things that are more appropriate for other days of the week. Things like tax preparation, bill paying, laundry, ironing, and the like. It is our day for RnRnR, (rest, relaxation and reflection). That “tradition” seems to have taken hold in the families of our offspring as well.[tup]

Some fine NFL games this weekend and I am surprised by a couple of results. Thought New England would advance along with Indy. Not that the opposing teams weren’t up to the challenge – after all they won! – but just that the playoffs are when the cream rises to the top and I figured the Patriots had a lot left. The Colts on the other hand really didn’t look that sharp to me in the closing games of the regular season, and the Steelers really looked great. I think an AFL team will win the Super Bowl, figured that pretty much from the get-go, and as always, it’s a shame that some fine teams have been dropped along the way. What say you and I, Tom, take up officiating NFL games[?] They surely could use some proficient help. Seems to be a perfect job for a couple of retired guys who call ‘em as they see ‘em![swg]

Was digging through some of my “stuff” on the S.I.R.T. and found these “blurbs” for anyone interested:

Caveat: These ramblings are not necessarily in order of events, but rather a free-flow of my thoughts and notes at the time of preparation. Therefore, it will not be uncommon for the reader to experience a back and forth reference to time and places as I proceed through this effort.

The Staten Island Rapid Transit (S.I.R.T.) – Part One:

At the beginning of the 20th Century, all the Boroughs of New York City had elevated and subway service with the exception of the Borough of Richmond (Staten Island). Over 100 years back, the Staten Island Rapid Transit operated a surface rail system with small steam engines and passenger cars taking people from one end of the island to the other (about 15 miles from St. George to Tottenville, the southernmost point in New York State). There were also branches emanating from St. George along the northern shore of the island and a parallel line to a popular summer spot, South Beach. The S.I.R.T. joined in partnership with the B&O, the nation’s oldest railroad, which also provided a valuable freight link across the island to New Jersey.

With the introduction of trolleys to the island in 1895, the S.I.R.T. suffered a loss in ridership, throwing it into bankruptcy. When purchased by the B&O, ferry service to Manhattan was also included. A legacy somewhat lost in the history of the rather famous “Staten Island Ferry.”

There were several well laid plans to link the island with the Borough of Brooklyn by tunnel. In 1925, the idea was to bring the BRT subway to Staten Island by way of a tunnel under The Narrows. Politics got in the way, funding arguments ensued, and the idea eventually faded into the file cabinet drawers of history.

Time and smart management practices, along with a population “spurt” helped the S.I.R.T. through some rough years and it remained a viable mass transit like long after trolleys disappeared from the streets of Staten Island. However, a fine bus system, replaced the trolleys and eventually helped lead to the demise of two of the three branches. Today, the link between St. George and Tottenville still exists.

The ending of passenger service on two of the three branches was primarily due to the actions of the New York City Board of Transportation. This body controlled all of the transit in the City with the exception of the S.I.R.T. and a few other surface lines. With the introduction of 12-cent fares, generous transfers and combination travel between bus and subway, the S.I.R.T. simply couldn’t compete. In 1953, the north shore and South Beach lines were discontinued.


Okay, Gentlemen, I’d say that’s enough from me, and perhaps I will have to return this post, given that Tom’s sage words have finally hit home: why waste a perfectly good post when there’s no one reading it[?]

Until the next time,

Lars

[BudKarr]

Hello Captain Tom and Gentlemen at and of the Bar!

Greetings from Europe – Copenhagen to be specific. At the onset, I must tell you that there’s been no rail travel at all, this is business and no time for pleasure – at least not yet.

Been to the capitals of Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark. Getting a pattern here?<grin> Will most probably be repeating those cities in reverse order as I wind down my involvements with the “company.”

Took a bit of doing to get the laptop to speak with and through the hotel connections for ultimate meshing with the internet. Tested it out yesterday and enjoyed browsing through the photos for Sunday. Happy for you that this fine idea of merit is still up and running. Kudos to you and of course those who make it happen – Sir Barndad and Sir Trolleyboy as the mainstays and a fine contribution from Sir Theodorebear (that’s a mouthful, isn’t it?) and the most recent customer, Mr. LoveDomes. Good job all and I know these efforts of yours go a long way toward keeping our leader thinking that all of his efforts are indeed worth it.

Let me buy the house a drink, unfortunately it seems my pockets are full of Krone, the currency of Denmark. Also still have some Euros from Finland, Kroner from Norway, Krona from Iceland & Sweden and it goes on and on. I suppose the single currency is a good idea, but it has a long way to go to get the Europeans to accept it. Right now, I believe only 12 nations are using the Euro. So, here’s a handful of my pocket change for your Juke Jar (cannot think of the name!) and some folding money for the round. No doubt, the Village bank will change it over.<grin>

I was logged on at the time of the inappropriate posting. Almost wanted to come through the screen and grab the intruder by the throat. One hand would be all I need – I do know how!

Had an opportunity to discuss some “American policy” during this trip and as always, I am amazed at just how much the Euro’s know about us, and how it seems we know so little about them. That is indeed what feeds the “Ugly American” attitude found when one travels abroad.

A comment I got that would surely evoke some emotion centered on our holiday for this day. More than one put forth their thoughts about why does the U.S. spend so much time and effort on 13 percent of its population? Is that a racist statement? I suppose some would try to make it so, but I think it is more of a commentary from those viewing us and our society rather than anything else. They see us as a preoccupied lot, always trying to project the right image, but falling far short when it comes to carrying it out.

These nations do not have the racial divide we have witnessed, but they are soon to be awoken by a different menace from the world that is being torn asunder under the guises of religion and the movement of masses of people bent on changing Europe. There are some who are alarmed over this and the contingency planning seems to be falling into place, at least by some in the business world.

I must apologize for not jumping right in with a discussion about trains – there simply is not any material for me to use until I return to my mountain retreat!

My return date is open, and at best guess, I would project at least another two week, perhaps three.

There is a knock at the door and it probably is my call to dinner. Having one of those “working sessions” this evening.

My hope is that all of you are doing well and hope to connect with you in the near future.


BK wishing I was in Alberta!

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #5 FIRST POSTED ON PAGE 133

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this poster out regarding the Canadian Pacific from 1886:


A Red Letter DAY

For – Canada

June 28, ‘86

… WHEN THE …

CANADIAN PACIFIC Railway

OPENS to the PACIFIC OCEAN

………. TRAIN LEAVES DAILY: ……….
Toronto, - - - - - - 5.00 p.m.
Montreal - - - - - - 8.00 “
Ottawa, - - - - - - 11.45 “
………. except Sunday ……….

OUR OWN LINE

………. FROM THE ……….
ATLANTIC to the PACIFIC

NO CUSTOMS – NO DELAYS – NO TRANSFERS –
LOW RATES – QUICK TIME

for further particulars apply to any Agent of the Company, or to
W. D. HUGHES, Traveling Passenger Agent
W. R. CALLAWAY, District Passenger Agent
………. 110 King Street West, Toronto ……….

W. C. VAN HORNE, Vice President
GEO. OLDS, Cust. Traffic Manager
D. McNICOLL, General Pass. Agent
………. MONTREAL……….


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Well, well, had I looked before Posting, I would have picked up Lars and BK's input. Goes to show ya.[swg]

So, just as predicted, this day has been one where our regulars are doing other than stoppin' by the bar. Good day for the ENCORES!

BK Hey! Good to see you and also thanx for the Email! From what you have said here and in the mail, you've been a busy, busy guy. WInding down sometimes is more difficult than getting one's feet on the ground. I recall that in the waning days of my final assignment, I spent lots of time covering lots of miles with my relief just to satisfy the organization's trepidations.[swg]

Lars Nice work with your SIRT story - and there's lots to tell about that railroad. While it is a rather 'centric' line and topic, when one considers the population of the area, not just Staten Island, I'd say the numbers who have traveled aboard those trains would surprise many. Good stuff.[tup][tup]

I share much of what you had to say regarding Sunday, ignorance and the NFL's surprises. Was an interesting set of games, fer sure, fer sure.

Man oh man, Pete is going to owe me big time this coming Sunday, as I'll be heading to the airport to pick them up while game #2 is on! I am really more interested in the AFC game, which I should be able to view without interruption. The VCR will get some use for the w2nd one.[swg]

I understand your comments about being retired and the days of the week. Man oh man do I understand that! It's funny, I have been retired for over half the years that I served and it seems just like yesterday. My goal is to outlive 'em in the sense that I would like my 'stone' to say, "Here lies a guy who lived more years after retirement than years he served!" Thirty-two "in" and who knows how many left[?][swg]

BK Nice run down on where you've been. I recall the currencies of Scandanavia. Still have some Norweigian coins in my "Euro box," along with Swedish and Danish currency. Never made it to Finland though. My one and only trip to Iceland was strictly aboard ship, no time for any shore leave. Sure do envy you in the sense that northern Europe has always been one of my favorite places to visit - and I do mean north![tup]

Lars & BK The less said about the "jerk" the better. Let it go, Gents, just let it go.

BK That's some interesting stuff you put forth regarding the Euro commentary about the U.S. The inference over the MLK holiday would most assuredly send many into orbit. However, there may just be something to think about in that statement. If I read what you've said again, I see something to discuss, not something to over react about.

As of late, I tire rather quickly of anti-U.S. anything. There was a time I had much more tolerance for differences of opinion, however, in today's world of "bashing this 'n that" I have no patience whatsoever. So much is non-fact-based and so much is crap, anecdotal crap and nonsense. Unfortunately, we have a media who feeds on this kind of misinformation, circulating and repeating until it "becomes like fact." Barf! Absolute, barf![tdn] Okay, Boris I know - [#offtopic] so yes, ring the bell, and I'll set 'em up![swg]

Okay Gents, time for me to take leave for a bit. It's quiet enough 'round here, so I'm going to experiment with Boris behind the bar!<yikes!!> That should scrare the wits out of anyone coming through those doors![swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Don't know when I will be able to do PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER as my printer went down this AM.

Nice to hear from BK I see he is spending his time in those perfect winter vacation spots and a taxpayer expense Must be nice!

Guess I will have to tackle the second dome montage as I don't have much to do for the next hour before returning to office.

Top Left:
Grand Canyon Railway Dome Coach ex Amtrak originally Budd built for NP GN or SP&S.

Second Left Northern Railcar Dome Dining Car originally UP Dome Dining Car

Third Left UP Dome Coach

Fourth Left That foreign dome again either French or German

Top Right: CZ Dome Sleeper Lounge Observation

Second Right SILVER LOOKOUT another CZ Dome Sleeper Lounge Observation

Third Right Rio Grande Ski Train Dome Coach ex CZ Dome Coach.

Maybe we should put out some questions on Classic Streamliners or streamlined Passenger cars and see who we get answering same.

Really feel lost without my printer so hope service tech solves problem tomorrow.

TTFN AL

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, let's uncork something from the wine list, foreign or DOMEstic to suit the occasion.

Tom, the Union Pacific domeliner pictured would have to be the Challenger, I think.
Bangor & Aroostock had 2 passenger cars in 1963? An amazing bit of tid.

It was on a summer day in 1963 that the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered his "I Have a Dream"speech, live on TV and I watched, duly impressed. What I recall most most vividly, though, is that just as we were listening to his funeral broadcast on the radio in Vietnam, I received and opened a letter from my mother, which began, "Dear Mike... Grandpa died April 1." (Her father).

Doug, more great reading. Cute little loco from the Chicago tunnels. Surprised to learn England supplied coal to Russia.

Lars, the "AFL" team in the trophy chase was the Pats. Interesting stuff on S.I.R.T.

Rob, the Pepsi truck is sporting a coat of diagonal paint, very different from http://www.hcry.org/CPEL_M6.HTM

Ted, as you know, to the right http://bixography.com/images2/icecreamtrain.jpg is the old Blue Lantern Casino at Hudson Lake, where Bix Beiderbecke played six nights a week in the summer of 1926, on the South Shore Line.

From the book "Working" by Studs Terkel. Here he quotes Bill Norworth, who had worked in a roundhouse from 1917 to 1922, as a fireman from 1922 to 1944, and as an engineer from 1944 to 1970 *

"A diesel's a lot easier than steam. It's a lot better job. Diesels can handle more cars, more tonnage. Deisel'll pull anything. They move, they can run. They don't take the know-how that you had to have with a steam engine. Steam engine was more of a challenge. Those men weren't well educated but still had the know-how. They could get more out of an engine than a man that had a college degree. It was all pride."

"When they got the diesel and got rid of the firemen. they had to make 'em engineers overnight almost.
They're savin' themselves a penny, but it cost 'em, in my imagination, a dollar afterwards. 'Cause they've got men now goin' over the road that never even worked as a fireman on that territory, that hardly spent any time on the road."

"Most of the diesel work, it's electrical. If it breaks down, they can't fix it. You've gotta send for somebody. In the old days with a steam engine, why, it was up to you to get that engine in. If something you could see was wrong, why, you could do all the repairs yourself or put grease or oil or what was needed to bring it in. With the deisel, you got your throttle and a brake, same as an automobile. I think it's easier than driving an automobile. You're on rails. On an automobile you gotta watch curves and all that. That's truthful."

"Diesel's very clean. In the old days, with the steam engine, you had steam leaks and all that. And in the wintertime there was times you could almost go over the road and barely see any crossings, with the steam leaking around the cylinders. Diesel, you could sit in a business suit. Same as this room. It's almost soundproof. With a diesel, all you are is like a bump on a log up there up front."

*Copyright 1972, 1974. I think it's okay to post these excerpts. My intent is to share, not for profit, and to recommend the book.

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Just logged on and see that passengerfan Al Posted and "skeedaddled!" Tsk, tsk - could've stuck it out to see my response![swg]

Thanx for the descriptions of my 2nd Dome Montage (poster) from yesterdays pix Posting![tup][tup]

I think your idea is a good one regarding questions on the Classic Streamliners, et al - however - beware the pratfalls. This thread is notorious for "blowing off" questions and the like. Just recall how difficult it is to get participation in Contests, Birthday bashes and my most recent request, RR Book Relay! Good luck![tup]

Not quite sure what the relationship is between your ability to Post Streamliner info and printer problems. Huh[?] At any rate, hope to see you back in "business" real soon!

Al Where did you get info that BK works for taxpayers[?] I assure you, he is not on the public's expense account. What he does and who he does it for, as far as I know, is strictly in the private sector. I think the place he departed from earlier this month, Alberta's high country, is the "perfect winter vacation spot ......" although, there surely are a few zillion great spots in Scandanavia fer sure, fer sure![tup] But then again, from what he's initimated, he's not on vacation - not by a long shot.

By the by, I really appreciate your participation over on "my other thread." You, Lars & BK have really helped kick-start that thread. Thanx![tup][tup][tup]

A round for the house, it is - Boris Ring the bell! Not many at the bar today, but we do have a group in the pool room who will come runnin' once they hear that "gong!"[swg]

Hello Mike! Was beginning to wonder about this day, and now two of our more regular customers have shown up! Good to see ya ... [tup]

Tell us more about that train in your 2nd URL!! What is it - where is it and who operated it[?] Thanx!

We seemed to run the gamet of 'bad news'back in the times you mentioned. There were so many sorrows in that decade, so many good men lost at all levels of society.

I think Lars misspoke, using the AFL team. Actually, the Patriots of those times were the BOSTON Patriots. Didn't change their names to New England until after the merger, if memory serves me correctly. When the AFC came into being, three NFL teams were moved over, can you recall who they were[?][swg]

What a CRAZY looking truck!![tdn]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #6

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this poster out regarding the Canadian Pacific from the 1950’s: First Posted on page 133



Canadian Pacific … by land … across Canada

Now see Canadian Pacific’s spectacular Banff-Lake Louise Route - From the Scenic Domes of the “The Canadian”

Mile-high in the Canadian Rockies, Banff Springs is famous the world over for its scenic surroundings, complete outdoor recreation facilities. Both Banff and nearby Lake Louise are on the route of “The Canadian.”

Treat yourself to the world’s longest, most spectacular Scenic Dome ride as “The Canadian” winds through the Canadian Rockies on its transcontinental route. From high in the Scenic Domes of Canada’s only stainless-steel Scenic Dome streamliner you’ll thrill to the breath-taking view of Canada’s unspoiled natural beauty. And aboard “The Canadian” you’ll find the accommodations superb, the service unexcelled. You may travel tourist or first class – coach seats reserved at no extra fare.

See your travel agent for information about “The Canadian” – in daily service throughout the year between Montreal or Toronto, and Vancouver.

Canadian Pacific
World’s Greatest Travel System

RAILWAYS – STEAMSHIPS – AIRLINES – HOTELS – COMMUNICATIONS – EXPRESS

That's it for me until the 'morrow - Leon the Night Man has the bar.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[wanswheel]

Tom, the South Shore Line is currently (no pun intended) operated by the Northern Indiana Commuter Transportation District. I think it was formerly, formally, the Chicago, South Shore & South Bend Railroad, which became the name of a freight railroad. Hudson Lake is near New Carlisle, IN.

Re: old NFL to new AFC teams, was one of them owned by Carl Perkins?
Okay, maybe the Colts, the Browns and the Steelers.
http://www.conigliofamily.com/AFL.htm

[nickinwestwales]

Well howdy guys,time for a sanity break and looks like you`re it-apologies for paucity of recent posts,but I find myself living in "interesting times" as the Confucians amongst us would put it-between discovering that our boat trailor has completely collapsed into a puddle of rust flakes and will cost a cool £1000 to replace ( there goes the bulk of the holiday fund ),the front man of the band from which I derive my principal income announcing that he is seeking pastures new ( with immediate effect,contractual obligations notwithstanding ) plus a brace of matters domestic that fall under the heading of "emotional baggage to be left at the door" I really havn`t been in a frame of mind to make usefull contributions to as gentle a gathering as this.
However,tomorrow is another day.....
[4:-)]TOM-a Staropramen please,the special reserve rum bottle (no glass),a round for the house & your refreshment of choice...also could you persuade Boris to dust off the house rickshaw for a quick run out to the Zeppelin shed later-with all the building work afoot in Mentor village of late I no longer trust to my "moonlight mile " shortcuts.
So,to business-a few highlights only from the last few weeks-----right,my carefully scribed notes appear to have been replaced with a poorly inked transcription of the lyrics to `Brand New Cadillac`-what is going on around here ?
right,from memory-DOUG a brilliant submission on the Indian railways-your stock here increases daily--CM3-you made mention of the NH in a recent M.R article-have you checked out the latest `special`-B+M,M.E.C & C.V all in the one cover-well worth a look,ALL who have posted photos this year-fine work,I had hoped to be in there with you from the get-go but twas not to be-TED-we will get the trainplayer interaction sorted,nice work on the layout [tup][^][tup]-E-Mails appreciated-have you ever tried explaining 1-4-7 to ( well meaning) teenage meatheads who think that `swing` is a piece of play-park apparatus-I despair- ROB-still recovering from your latest E-Mails-so wrong on so many levels ( who took these pix,who collated them-I havn`t slept well for days-I may never eat again.........) BK-glad your enjoying the trip-not the place for Euro/U.S political discussion but the best analogy I`ve heard recently compares us to the Greek & Roman civilisations of antiquity.
O.K-a good point to stop for a refill,same again please [4:-)]TOM,and you had better help me out with this rum-a tricky customer at best..........
Right,whilst I`m here,the big hello goes out to AL,MIKE,JOHN,LARS,TRACIE (whoops-wrong site),PETE and any others I`ve failed to mention.
Now some of you will no doubt have noted the recent absence of Boris,our pet science project / refugee /hired help-well the fact of the matter is this..
After all these many months of faithful,if slightly unpredictable,service we felt he deserved a holiday and naturally he evinsed a desire to return to the old country to meet with the clan -this we naturally agreed to,however,nothing in this world is ever easy and customs were less than helpfull,requiring a full taxonomic classification before they would let him pass.
We searched in vain through the "Flora & Fauna of N.America","European beasts of field & forest","The collected works of Bram Stoker" & " Mary Shelley`s guide to the gothic novel" without success.
At last,and in some desperation,a brief and smudged footnote in the book of revelations proved sufficient to our needs and he was bundled aboard the Zeppelin `Draig Goch`,green card in paw and was dispached back whence he came.
He has now returned,renewed & re-invigorated and insistant that Tex the `dillo has served his time as a yard switcher and should be upgraded to a road switcher and given more beer crates & a proper layout chalked in the back yard ( he seems to think that the giant thanksgiving turkey oven would make a great 1:24 scale steel mill..who am I to argue?.
Right [4:-)]TOM-best put that bottle away before it does any more damage,guess I`ll throw a dollars worth in the wurlitzer as a parting gesture-how about some Little Feat,Johnny Winter & as suggested by ROB the ever-brilliant Gordon Lightfoot ( that one about the Iron ore boat sinking on Lake Superior-cant remember the name but a beautiful song)
O.K. guys ,its the rickshaw for me,delighted to have had some decent company,see you all as soon as the tangled web permits,take care now,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Late night/early morning greetings!

wanswheel MIke An interesting question you present regarding Carl Perkins. The only thing I know about that name is that he was the "rockabilly" singer who originally performed Blue Suede Shoes (a question posed a few pages ago, but never responded to by the "guys). Second, a search found the name again, but connected with the AFL-CIO - not the AFL as in football or the NFL or the AFC. So, I don't know![swg]

Really enjoyed the URL on the AFL. Brought back lots of memories. I attended a few of the NY Titans inaugural season football games at the old Polo Grounds in NYC. That was a heckuva league - wide open football![yeah]

On that South Shore Line, do you have any info on those RR cars to share[?]

Nick What a great "typically Nick" Post, but oh so full of ups 'n downs.

Sorry to learn of your setback and fully understand not being of a mindset for the banter that goes on 'round here.[tdn] Was there a boat on the trailer at the time of collapse and if so, any damage to it[?]

Interesting story about Boris - he's YOUR man, ya know, and we're all thankful he didn't return with any friends and/or realtives in tow![swg]

You are thinking of the "Edmund Fitzgerald" - a great song about a tragedy that still has many in the maritime community baffled. She went down in a horrific storm in the evening of November 10, 1975 with 29 men lost. A good "read" is Frederick Stonehouse's The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (1977), an investigative narrative that pretty much convinced me of the reasons for the sinking.

Given the lateness of the hour here and early rise (5 AM), better put the brakes to this for now. Certainly hope all turns into an upswing for you![tup]

Thanx for the round, as always![tup] Hope to see ya soon.

Nite![zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening everyone. Since Boris had the bar I figured that I would come in and help him close the place.<good grief > I think we may need the hazmat boy from the villiage come and help clean up behind the bar. [:O] I don't even want to attempt to classify the oozing goo on the floor back there. [XX(]


Tom Lovely redo's pf those classic CPR ads[tup] I'll echo yours and others happiness with yesterdays posting fest. Doug, Lars,Ted & Tom wonderfull shots to be sure.[tup][tup]. I choose not to comment on the unpleasantness of yesterday <IMHO> a not worth it. All I can say is that I think we are all capable of mislabelling our picture descriptions in albums. <nuff said I'm moving on as I have no delusions of personal perfection >


Doug great shots from the IRM [tup] I have also enjoyed the first installment of the Russian Decapod story.Our museum runs with rule "G" firmley in place as well. Really it's a non-negotiable rule if one is to operated such equipment in Canada or as I Understand the US for that matter.

Liked the Chicago underground piece as well. Like Ted I only heard "the rest of the story" after the flood occured. I think I did see the same documentory Ted mentioned as well.

BK Nice to hear from you sir. Thanks for your concern over " the jerk " I prefer to ignore him, he generally goes away in any case.Sounds like one heck of a nice trip ( were it not for the business aspect of it I imagine ) I suppose that once you do retire for good, you could maybe make a collage of all the wierd and wonderfull currencey you've been forced to use over the years.I remeber when I was a kid, we would go down the the Welland canal ( I grew up about ten blocks away from it ) and wave at the ships and crews as they glided by. They used to toss down spare change to the kids. ( this was the seventies before fences and anal safety laws and lawsuits ). Most of us had quite the collection of European and other coinage. [#offtopic] next rounds mine Boris !

Lars Liked the dome pics.[tup] You and Tom are indeed kindred spirits fer sure fer sure. Thanks also for your outrage, but at this point lifes too short to let " the jerks " of life spoil it for you. I went to the rats room and worked over the punching bags so I'm good now. Nice article on the SIRT as well ( hopefully you know who doesn't feel the need to comment there either ) I'm guessing that the two SIRT lines that shut down did so right around the time of the Third Ave RY street operations. Am I correct or way off in that assumpsion [?]


Mike Same truck. The picture on our website is from the historical collection as well. If I recall that is a pictuire from the 40's. Once CPR started operating the Grand River Railway and sister line Lake erie and Northern ( two make up the CP electric Lines ) the paint schemes changed. LE&N used to use a dark green body GRR a colour closer to CP's tuscan passenger cars.They also stuck to their own lines. After the late forties the cars of both roomed freely over each others systems. I'm planning on two classic juices on them in the future. Anyhow the barricade stripes came about in the early 50's. Diagonal strip[es front and back on passenger and freight equipment of the GRR ( alternating yellow and black ) and a yellow and black checkerboard pattern on the LE&N equipment. Work equipment like M6 and bonder M4 got an overall traction orange paint job with the stripe ( how the truck appears today )

Talk to everyone later

Rob

[siberianmo]

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(1) barndad Doug Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 05:40:14 (221) Inclusive Post & Chicago Tunnel Co.

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 05:52:29 (221) A brief history of Russian Decapods, Part I

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 07:45:05 (221) Inclusive Post, etc.

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 08:53:44 (221) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 11:14:15 (221) ENCORE! Fallen Flag – BAR

(6) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 12:16:20 (221) Informative Post & SIRT, part one

(7) BudKarr BK Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 13:40:32 (221) from Copenhagen!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 15:10:25 (221) ENOCRE! Nostalgia – Ad, CPR (1886)

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 15:40:36 (221) Acknowledgments, etc.

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 18:29:46 (221) PM Post & Dome montage description

(11) wanswheel Mike Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 18:35:15 (221) Inclusive Post, etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Jan 2006, (221) Acknowledgments, etc.

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 21:07:50 (222) ENCORE! Nostalgia – Ad; CPR (1950s)

(14) wanswheel Mike Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 21:57:12 (222) South Shore Line & AFL

(15) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 22:18:34 (222) A Nick Post!

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 17 Jan 2006, 01:18:07 (222) Acknowledgments, etc.


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Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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[trolleyboy]

Hey Tom keeping lousy hour's again I see. Did you catch the documentary on the Edmund Fitzgerald that was made late last year. The History cable network here ran it several times. Covered the finding and mapping of the wreck by the underwater robots. The science heads best guess was structural failure of the hatches lead to catastrophic flooding and the ultimate demise of the ship and crew. The bnear hurricane force winds in Lake Superior that night didn't help their situation much either. This of coarse is neither here nor there a tragedy no matter what happened. It's one of Gorden's best songs I think as well, I've been luckey enough to see him in concert a couiple of times over the years. He's comming to Brantford later this year as well, I may try to pick up a couple of tickets.

I do read your Yogiisms everyday-a nice giggle to start the daily reading here off with fer sure fer sure [tup][;)]

Nice index of our various Sunday picture day spreads as well. A usefull tool for those,needing the eye candy fix. [tup][8D]

I'm glad that none of Boris's kin came back either. ( the sheds way too small )

Nick Glad you enjoyed those emails. The pictures were sent to me via a freind in the RCN. A sick sick man. Likely comes from his job as a ping wizzard on HMCS Halifax. The stories he's told me, Well him and an ex B-I-L who was at one point XO then CO of HMCS Terra Nova.

Nite All BYW another [#offtopic] round for me.[:D]

Rob

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Gents!

Off to a gloomy start on this Tuesday, first work day of the "short" week for many.

Rob Up quite late, eh[?] But not too late to remember us here at the bar![tup][swg] That first Post didn't show after I put out the SUMMARY. Hmmmmm. But then again, perhaps it WAS me - eyelids were slamming shut![swg]

Nice Inclusive Post as always my friend! You surely are a "keeper" 'round here and hope you'll not lose interest.[tup]

Sure was good to hear from the other two comprising the Three Horsemen! yesterday. Otherwise, it would have been a very loooooooong day. Finished up okay, but sure was quiet most of the daylight hours.

I've seen several documentaries on the sinking and cannot recall for sure whether the one you mentioned was included. However, it is one of those events that I'll surely not forget. When one has made his way in life as a sailor, those kinds of events stick with you.

If you really want something to think about regarding the tragedy, get ahold of a copy of the book I mentioned by Frederick Stonehouse. I read the official USCG report of the sinking way back when it was available to some within our organization. The book's author really did his homework and it is well written - well documented and leaves no stones unturned.

When is Gordon coming to your area[?] Would love to hear him. Wonder if he's the "same" since that terrible health set back he had awhile ago[?] His songs are absolutely spell binding and I surely appreciate 'em all![tup][tup][tup]

Thanx for the endorsement on the "funnies" and Pix Index.[tup]

We'll set up the bar, on you, a bit later today. Too early right now![swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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[nickinwestwales]

Good morning Gents,just a quickie-[4:-)]TOM,better stick to Tea for now.
Thanks for heads-up on the Edmund Fitzgerald,another gap filled [tup]
Our boat is happily unscathed ( she`s stripped down for the winter and therefore at minimum weight ).
Personally I have never regarded apples as fruit-they are the raw material of cider,the drink of kings[^] -over there ,I understand this to be a soft drink,in this country it is a fiercely alcoholic beverage which enjoys the same social cachet as Thunderbird & Night train Express do over there-widely found in bus shelters and park benches nation wide
Looking forward to the movie-a little escapism is never a bad thing !!
DOUG-nice piece on the underground,London used to have a similar system owned & operated by the post office & used for rapid mail distribution.
Indeed,I am reminded that the Guinness brewery in Dublin had a similar set-up within the brewery complex-the loco`s could be sat in standard gauge `cradle` wagons to work the exchange sidings-In fact there was also a similar system servicing a Royal Navy armaments depot near here,which,if memory serves,used brass rail within the tunnels to prevent sparks.
I have some pix of stock from this line,now in use on both the Teifi Valley & Welsh Highland lines which I will dig out for sunday.
Good stuff on decapods also-another gap filled [^]
ROB-good to know your country`s defence is in safe hands [swg]-just received latest batch,Canadian humour had me spitting tea all over the keyboard-easy to draw province still causing giggles......
Right,lunch break over,everybody back on their heads ( sorry,old joke ) will try to call in later,have a good one folks,all the best,nick[C=:-)]

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom and all assembled!

There’s quite a bit to read this morning and it seems that checking these pages has priority over the morning newspapers![swg] Do recall the NY Mirror, Tom[?] How about the Staten Island Advance[?] Bet you delivered the latter as a kid – I did; basket on my Schwinn and all. [yeah] The good old days!

You really know how to tweak a guy with this talk of the Edmund Fitzgerald. That’s a disaster that ranks right up there with the most notorious in history’s annals. Twenty nine souls is one thing, but the manner in which it happened is quite another.

When RMS Titanic went down, there was time for some to use the lifeboats, rafts and whatever else was available in those frigid waters. However, when the Fitzgerald sank, she went down, like a rock. No time for anything other than to experience that flash of fear, the blackness, the cessation of life itself. Horrible to think about it.

I read the report you mentioned, twice. Also read the USCG official inquiry into the disaster and came away with what I believe must be your conclusions as well. There really is no “bottom line” to this, no “punch line.” The book should be read if one really wants to operate from a baseline of facts, rather than the anecdotal crap so many seem to incorporate into their “knowledge base.” Boris my guess is I am [#offtopic], so in deference to the policy around here, ring that infernal gong of yours and I’ll spring for the drinks!

Got a kick out of the posting from nickinwestwales Nick, all except the opening of course. Shame that set back occurred and about all I can offer is hope that things will begin to curve upward now that adversity has hit home. We haven’t “met,” but I feel I know you from having read all of the pages now. You are really a huge part of what this bar and grill holds for those who frequent it. Tom is surrounded by some good guys and for my money, it is well spent right here![tup]

BudKarr BK you are in a part of the world that I have always enjoyed. In my seagoing career AFTER the U.S. Navy, I spent some time in the ports of call in the countries making up what many refer to as Scandanavia. Norway is my favorite – have family, albeit distant, there. Been as far north as Bergen, quite a remote but really nice place to see. Didn’t and don’t care for the liberal bent and socialism, but politics aside, I have found the people open to Americans and able to conceal any “agendas” they may have. Not so in places like France, Italy, Spain, etc. Just my two cents and a bit dated, as I haven’t frequented a rolling and pitching deck in years.

Glad you enjoyed the S.I.R.T. ramblings, Rob. The elevated lines of NYC didn’t all close up at once. However, the discontinuance of the “Els” in Manhattan occurred pretty much within a decade, with the 3rd Avenue line going out in 1955. In the Bronx, the 3rd Avenue El continued into the 70s. On Staten Island, the S.I.R.T. pulled the plug on the north shore and South Beach surface lines in 1953. More in my next compilation, which isn’t even on the drawing board![swg]

I want to make mention of a guy who has really provided some fantastic information, mainly through the use of URL’s – wanswheel Mike. Appreciate your attention to detail, as Tom as noted several times. Amazing stuff that you find “out there” in the cyber void. Keep it up, really goes with the flow around here.[tup][tup]

Yesterday I did something I swore I’d NEVER do again – went browsing on the forums. Ugh. What a total waste of time. The kids have overtaken these forums, or at least many of them. Then there are the transparent “numbers runners uppers” that are all over the place. Check out “Members” and click “All” then see the names of those with the most stars. Click on their names and check out some of what they are getting “credit” for. It makes me sick to think that “credit” goes to someone for a “single word response” or a “cut and paste job” of someone else’s work without so much as an original thought appended to it. An absolute abomination. I was one in favor of dropping the whole idea of “stars” simply because it sets up a warped competition, which really has no relevance or meaning to what these forums are about. I like that expression, “Didn’t have any toys when he was a kid,” makes sense when applied to those who use this medium for the “recognition” they may never have EARNED in real life endeavors.[tdn][tdn]

Tom, I should append my rant with this note especially for you. Your posts are informative, responsive and in keeping with maintaining a dialogue. That’s far, far different from many who are doing nothing more than running up their tally. There’s a guy “out there” who has been submitting stuff for less than a year and his totals are on PAGE ONE of ALL THE MEMBERS! Good Grief Charlie Brown. What does that say?

[yeah] I know Boris ring the confounded thing again and I’ll wring your neck spring for a round![swg]

I see nickinwestwales Nick has provided another post, which ain’t so bad at this time of day! We can all use a chuckle after my rants and ramblings.[swg]

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Ah, a couple of customers![tup]

Sir Nick! The talk of "Thunderbird" brings me back to 1959 and the "sailor bars" of Seattle, Washington on Pine & Pike Streets. In those days one could leave the ship with a mere 47 cents in your pocket, have a night to remember, and return with the same 47 cents (or more)! Thunderbird was served in the "finest of establishments!"[swg] I wasn't into that stuff, stuck with VO and GInger, beer or whatever was the house special for the night. Now apple cider, as opposed to apple juice, is a staple for the holidays in my family and many others that I am familiar with. At Christmas and [brown]Thanksgiving no table is complete without a glass set aside for the cider. Never thought of it as alcoholic, but I do understand the makeup. Leave it to you to come up with THAT![swg]

Good news about the boat. Those "holes in the water" have caused many a good man to spend far too much time in the Rat's Patoot Room than anyone should![swg]

Please try and get those Sunday Photo Posting Day! pix to me as soon as you can - at least before Friday. I will most definitely add them to your album for Posting! Thanx in advance.[tup]

Nice tid bit of info you provided regarding those brass rails and reason for it. Never heard of that, but it surely makes sense.[tup]

Lars Nice Post this AM and yes, I DID deliver the Staten Island Advance. My bike was a Roadmaster and I had a basket on it! I think my papers totalled a bit over 120 and my tips ranged from nothing to a buck on collection Saturdays. That route, along with cutting grass, shoveling snow, working the A&P and whatever else I could find, kept me in Lionel Trains![swg]

Funny, when I think of Schwinn bikes of yesteryear, they conjure up images similar to those of Gilbert's American Flyer S gauge trains. I had a Roadmaster bike, but thought Schwinns were "cooler." I had Lionel O-27 trains, but "secretely" wished they were American Flyer! Figure that out, Sigmond!<grin>

Somewhere in the past I did the same as you on a Sunday - browsed all of the Forums, making comment here and there, as approrpiate to my interests. I came away utterly disgusted at the crap being put out. It's one thing to dispense some humor, to engage wtih the other guy in good natured banter, but most of what I saw wasn't worth the paper to line a bird cage or garbage can for that matter.[tdn] Once again, I share you point of view.

I'd appreciate an Email when you have time, to expound a bit upon your seagoing careeer. Love to share some experiences if you are interested.[tup]

Stars[?] [yeah]They surely can evoke two opposing points of view. I think Kalmbach's idea was a good one. However, the unintended consequences rear their ugly heads every time. There are so many people who could care less about convention - protocol - rules - proceudre, call it what you will. These are the ones who wind up ruining "it" for the rest. Happens all the time. Why in the world do we feel so much anxiety when behind the wheel of a car[?] You don't suppose it's because of the driver who is being careful and courteous, do you[?] Ticks me off, fer sure, fer sure![tdn]

Speaking of the S.I.R.T., we used the Elm Park Staton on the north shore line. It was within walking distance from our house in Port Richmond. I really enjoyed taking the train to St. George to catch the ferry over to Manhattan. The bus was okay, but not even close to the experience of the train - the sounds, the movements, the trackside 'stuff.' All made for a pleasant journey - it was special.[tup]

Funny, your mention of Norway and that part of the world also rings true with me! What IS this - parallel lives[?] Rod Serling, where are you[?] You live in a place where I was born and raised - you are a train aficionado - you are a sailor - you are one of the Three Horsemen!, you delivered the Staten Island Advance, and now I learn your preferences in Europe lie in the northernmost climates - same for moi![tup] Uncanny, to say the least.[swg]

And yes - I DO remember the NY Daily Mirror. We used to get the Mirror and Daily News each morning. I remember them when they were 2 or 3 cents apiece. The Advance came in the afternoon. Of course back then - newspapers were a far cry from those of modern times. We had radio, papers and magazines to provide us with the information of the times.

Couldn't have stated the case for "learning facts" any better than you have with your commentary on the Edmund Fitzgerald. Anecdotal stuff can sink the best of conversations![tdn]

Thanx for the rounds, Gents![tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good mid-day to all in attendence and those on "ships-at-sea" (radio commentator Walter Winchell, circa 1940-50s). Tom, I think a Canadian Bacon sliced thin w/Swiss on toasted Rye will "do it," thanks. Oh yes and a Dortmunder Union would go down well.[^] Sure, of course, absolutely, I read the "Yogi Bear One Liners" without fail. They are akin to the daily newspaper cartoons that we, too often, take for granted. Given the lunatic "political agenda" of our local Fish Wrap, the "funnies" remain sacrosanct hereabouts.[2c] Yesterday went from the "token" presence of a retired Army Bandsman's counsel to untangling "Alexandr's Knot." These "daze", it seems there is petty politics pesent in the most benign of civic endeavors...truly disgusting![tdn] Any rate, M. L. King Day escalated into a very long day indeed.[#offtopic] Set 'em up please Capt. Tom.

Mike, thanks for the "dope" (no pun intended) on Bix Beiderbeck's old venue, the "Blue Lantern." Please excuse my confusion as to which South Shore Line is under scrutiny in recent posts. I assume it is the Chicago to Southbend, IN commuter trains, no? I may have some worthy input on the cars of that particular ilk if I'm on the proper tack. Surely do enjoy your timely and pertinent links and URls.[tup] BK, good of you to take the time and trouble for staying "in touch." It can't be easy.[tup] Being in the threshold of bureaucratic paralysis, I don't wonder that "change" could cause mountainous waves of controversy. Perhaps if the Little Boy on a Dolphin disappears in a nuclear cloud, some serious thought may surface? Lars, I can attest first hand that New Yaakers didn't take kindly to dismantling the "Toid Avenyew El;" so many came to depend on that "leg" for a fast "shot" between Manhattan and the Bronx. The remarks made on the "state of the forums" couldn't be better stated.[^] Oh, ditto for the observations made on Northern Europe as a "general rule of thumb." I'll dmure from any comments on the minor infestation that occured at "Our" Place recently. As Manager, I've notified "Otto the Orkin Man" and engaged fumigation services forthwith.[swg]

Nick good fellow, having shared similar experiences while booking and managing my own 5 to 16 piece society bands (library and all), may I just add: all that aggravation...for what?[V] Hiring an insinsitive (non-musician) agent caused more problems than it solved. Qiucly I learned working as a "side-man" was far better for my health.[^] I sold my library to a University that was starting a "Lab Band" program and was as happy as the day I sold my first and last boat.[swg] Some endeavors are just plain massochistic.[V] Hopefully, Pete might give you a "pick-me-up" call before departing the Island. I imagine he has a full plate even without the temptations of your peerless culinary expertise.[:D] Personally, I couldn't resist that "temptation." Earlydiesels, the book has inspired me to look back into my U.S. Civil War Library collection. If interested, I'll send you email of same. Doug, one thing on the Russian Decopods I have trouble understanding is how did the main drivers negotiate curves without wheel flanges? I'm assuming only the center three drive (each side) wheels were flangless, right? All of your pieces have been totally absorbing from track gangs to the Royal Indian varnish, just incredible.[^]

I know I'm not "up-to-date" like "things in Kansas City" (G. Gershwin's "Oklahoma"), however, I must defer to some nagging household responsibilities. Best of luck to all of you and happy rails.

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon Barkeep and All Present; coffee for me, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

I aploogize for the absence, but things have been a bit crazy at work.

I enjoyed reading through the posts and looking at the pictures. The Wabash domes are the ones I recall riding on the Pocahontas when she ran on the N&W. Also enjoyed the SIRT postings and the Chicago Tunnel material.

Nick - Hang in there. Your remark abt the zeppelin shed reminded me of the time when we were out doing some up close and personal investigation of kilns; those of you who have spent some time around these beasts understand what I am talking about. Gives the word "upset" an entirely new meaning.

Anyway, one of the facilities we visited was in a former blimp hanger. The kiln was big, but the structure was even bigger. One of the more adaptive reuses for a building I have ever seen.

Yesterday, I finished looking through The Electric Way Across the Mountians and found a shot of a fine machine which will satisfy both our MOW and electric factions. It was an electric snowplow. Well, the MILW always got points for being resourceful.

I appreciate your patience and will try and get back to standard with my posts ASAP.

work safe

P.S. AFL - excellent. Although I grew up with the Giants, the Patriots were always interesting. I can hear the broadcast now "Cappeletti sets up - snap back, ball down, the kick is up, it's goood!" Thanks for the memories. We won;t even talk about Johnny mOst doing the Celtics games. Also Buffalo playing at the Rockpile.

[siberianmo]

G'day!

A fine time for our Manager Ted to arrive for work! Oh, but wait - these 'staff' positions are really PART-TIME, so I'll cut him some slack. Only really require the services of our "fearsome threesome - Ted - Rob 'n Nick on special occasions and of course during the Thursday thru Saturday meal times. Okay - you're off the hook![swg]

Wait a minute! George Gershwin and "Oklahoma!" Are you certain of that[?] Seems to me that was a Rodgers and Hammerstein endeavor. What say you[?][%-)]

A URL for perusal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gershwin

Curiousity getting the best of me - what in the world "happened" yesterday[?] Ship me an Email when you find the time. Thanx in advance.[tup]

Your mention of earlydiesels Dan reminds me that we seem to have lost yet another former regular 'round here. Pity. Can't say we haven't shown concern when "down," and appreciation for submissions. Just the dynamics of life - people come 'n go, interests change, priorities of the day overtake the things we'd rather do, etc. All fully understandable.

Hello CM3 - Figured you'd not be around until this day and appreciate your "checking in."

We'll be here when you're ready to resume your daily acitivites - meanwhile, keep those quarters and rounds comin'!![swg] Thanx![tup][tup]

Did a search on Fatyernnon and came up with zero, zilch, zip. Huh[?]
Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[coalminer3]

Hi Tom: As Boris once said, "Starkle, Starkle, Little Twink." I guess I mashed three keys at the same time - you'll see I fixed it.

work safe

[siberianmo]

Yo CM3

But, but, but - Fatyernnon has such a "nice ring to it!"[swg]

Like that AFL stuff, eh[?] Me too. I lived in Dedham during the period of time when the Boston Patriots were moving south to Foxboro. The players actually were going door-to-door, trying to gin up financial backing for their new digs. Could've bought "shares" back then - alas, I was a poor sailor, trying to feed, clothe and house 4 others![swg] I still remember Jim Nance coming to our door!

The AFL really came on strong, in spite of 400 in attendance at the Polo Grounds for NY Titans games. No joke, 400 inside that huge stadium. We had a blast and the media wondered aloud whether any of this was "real." It was. The worst thing that happened - in my humble opinion - was to move those three franchises from the NFL into the AFC. As wanswheel Mike indicated correctly, Cleveland - Pittsburgh and Baltimore gave up "heritage" for the "balance" neeed in the newly formed AFC. That never has sat well with me. Especially when one looks at what happened down the pike - look at the Super Bowls going to former NFL teams. Kinda watered down the original AFL teams, fer sure, fer sure.[tdn]

Okay, Mate - you gotta earn a living!

Later,

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Attention! Attention!

Hi Tom and the gang. Discaimer # One: Yes, thank you Tom for the correcrion. "Oklahoma" was indeed a Rodgers and Hammerstein opus. And, just as bad or worse, it is the "Litle Mermaid" in Copenhagen Harbo(u)r, not the "Little Boy on a Dolphin" (I think?). Let this be fair warning to all of you younger members of the "Order of the Stools." Stay well away from "Thunderbird" and all such inexpensive libations lest you follow in my footsteps unto premature C.R.S. Syndrome. Now, having made reparations, where in the Deuce have I left my keys? Boris, get Tex out here and help me find my car keys right this minute.[:(!] Oh...I cam by taxi?[:O] Sorry! Well, ring the bell anyhow, this just ain't my day.[V] Tom, will have mail out a.s.a.p. I bid all of you a bond fondue.[:-^]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #58

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Northern Pacific (NP) from a 1947 advertisement in my personal collection.



We met these “huskies” near Ikpikpuk!

Why deny yourself

. . . . . . . . . . ALASKA? . . . . . . . . . .

GO THIS YEAR to this fabled frontier land of Eskimos and totem poles, silent fjords and gleaming glaciers. Glide along the lake smooth Inside Passage, up endless aisles of emerald isles, past a parade of snow-capped peaks. We’ll send facts and prices, arrange every last detail, take you to your Alaska-bound ship in Seattle on the streamlined NORTH COAST LIMITED. If interested in this Alaska trip by train and steamer, just write E. E. Nelson, 313 Northern Pacific railway, St. Paul 1, Minn.


. . . . . . . . . . NORTHERN PACIFIC . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . MAIN STREET OF THE NORTHWEST . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Evening!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #59

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the New York Central (NYC) in a 1954 advertisement from my private collection:

Easy Does It . . . when the family goes New York Central

Easy on Dad! No traffic to tire him. No white line to watch. When New York Central does the driving, he’s free to read, nap, or enjoy the wonderful Water Level Route scenery that parades past his big picture window.

Easy on Mother, because her mind’s at ease about the youngsters. Not back-seat fidgets. No frequent roadside stops. Everything the children need is right at hand. And they couldn’t be safer at home!

Easy on the Kids! They don’t have to stay put in their seats. There’s plenty of room to move about. And there’s the extra thrill of those famous New York Central meals in the diner, with their own, thrifty Children’s Menu to choose from.

Easy on the Budget! Round-trip coach fares are low. And special Family Tickets cut them so much as 50% or even more. Ask your New York Central ticket agent all about them.

. . . . . NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROAD . . . . .

. . . . .. . . . . . . . . . The Water Level Route . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]