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[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Bright blue sky, temps expected to be in the 60s (F) and the feeling of spring is in the air! What a crazy January this is![swg]

To all who have sent Emails to me regarding the “hot button issue” of yesterday, thanx for your comments and support.[tup]

Some acknowledgments this fine day:

passengerfan Al
Posted: 18 Jan 2006, 21:10:14

The craftsmen of yesteryear who were responsible for so much of what many take for granted may never be replaced in kind. Those skills, as with the need for them, simply fade into history as will the fine passenger cars you mentioned.

barndad Doug
Posted: 18 Jan 2006, 21:22:38

Thought you were out “goofing off,” ya know, working and things like that![swg] Glad to see you back at the bar.[tup]

As the circumpolar people (Inuit, Inupiat, etc) would have it, undoubtedly that “word” has meaning. These are the same folks who have over 100 words for “snow” but none for “sin.” Think about it! (The study of those living above the Arctic circle was one of my prime study areas in my Anthropology pursuits …..)[tup]

Check out this URL: http://tundratimes.ilisagvik.cc/chipp/html/keyword.htm#I

Unlike the “word” recently Posted by CM3 Fatyernnon which means, “I got my fingers stuck between the keys and this is what came out!”[swg]

Your Russian Decapod “stuff” is very informative. Still think Posting the first part was “lost” for many as it was a Saturday “thing,” and we all know how weekends are – especially long ones.

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 18 Jan 2006, 23:21:21

No more purchases for the Can-Am – it is saturated now. Only exception might be something for the display case. I’m turned off with Athearn in recent times and don’t plan on donating any of my retirement money to this outfit. They lost guys like me years ago in their quest to “upscale’ virtually everything; blue box guy that I am![swg]

Once again I spent too much of my time browsing web sites yesterday. I’d like to meet the person who put together the Algoma Central’s web page. My Gawd, what a joke to navigate. Took me a long time to figure out that: (1) dome cars are only in use for the excursion trains, not the regularly scheduled passenger runs; (2) lodging arrangements are a hodge-podge; (3) trying to figure out flights from Pearson to the Sault is a puzzle and (4) the schedule for the excursion runs begin too late in June for the “window” we have for travel. Some other time, looks like it would be fun, just not now.

Also checked out the Rocky Mountaineer for an 8-day roundtrip out of Vancouver. Four days aboard the train – all the nights in hotels. Costs: nearly 10 grand for two! And that DOES NOT include GST, PST, LSMFT, and FT (figure out the last one on your own![swg] Then throw in air fare from here to there and back, meals, tips, etc. and this becomes something so far out of the question that it makes me want to head for the lee side of the ship! BARF![tdn] Not only outrageous, but I find it absolutely insulting to think that there are mobs of people throwing that kind of money around – and more. In my wildest spending sprees, it ain’t gonna be me![tdn] DOUBLE BARF!

<phew> Feel better after that![swg]

In the “history” of Boris, if you recall, wanswheel Mike corrected me a few pages ago when he cited the page number where Ted “created” Boris There’s been a succession of things involving him, mainly from Nick – but we must point to Ted as the “daddy!” DNA checks anyone[?][:O]

coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 08:17:05

Of course Awk is here – sitting on his perch, or my shoulder, whichever he so chooses![swg] By the by, he made his “appearance” is a recent Post – twice in fact. Hmmmmmmm.

Good “stuff” on SCL check out:

Atlantic Coast Line: (scroll down)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=114&TOPIC_ID=35270

Seaboard Air Line: (scroll down)
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=115&TOPIC_ID=35270

Haven’t yet been “introduced” to this Sponge Bob “stuff,” and can’t say that I’m anxious! I’m sure the day will come, especially when I visit my grandkids in VA.[swg]

Sailor talk is my kindatalk! Right, Awk [?] Right, Mate, right! Awk-fwee-fooo![swg]

Thanx for the round and of course the coins for Coal Scuttle![tup]


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[siberianmo]

G'day passengerfan Al

I followed my own instructions - stuck around after my Post, and there was yours! Works every time!

We have kicked around a trip to Churchill on these pages, a few times. It is a grand idea, but I seriously doubt that a Rendezvous in the "official" sense would work, given the expense of it all. We're not really knocking down the doors with our trip to Toronto, ya know. Anyway, I'm all for a trip to Churchill and have been from the first time I "discovered" it. We CAN DO THIS! Just a matter of communicating by Email so that nothing gets lost in the shuffle - as happens so many times on the thread.

We'll set the date for our 2nd Rendezvous when we meet this May. Figure that's the best way to handle it. We may even have a couple of choices to "throw out there" for the rest of the guys to think about.

My plans have been to take the round trip by train rather than fly up. Figure spending one night up there is all I'd need. One could actually stay the day and return that evening on the same train that brought you. Depends on what you're looking to do. I'm more interested in the ride.[swg] Again, good stuff for Email. Thanx for bringing it up.[tup][tup]

Figured if anyone knew about that Budd Dome model, it would be you![swg]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[red p]

Hello Tom and the rest of the gang. Start me off with a black coffee and an order of biscuits and gravy.

I found this little story from the Aug.1953 Trains and Travel.

The Federal Express ..........part one

It was the night of Jan. 14, 1953,11:00 Oclock.#173 The Federal Express, Was on time for its 459-mile 8-hour 40-min. overnight run to the nations capital. But at 8:38 a.m. at Union Terminal in Washington the Federal was to turn into a hurtling juggernaut, a train out of control.

Inspectors found nothing wrong during its 15 min. stop at Providence. It pulled out of the depot at 12:05 a.m. on time
but the flagman noticed a few sharp jerks, brakes were sticking somewhere in the train. It seemed to be on the rear two cars. He told conductor Ralph Ward, Who pulled the communicating cord. The federal ground to a stop at Kingston swamp, 27 miles out of Providence.

Ward made a rapid check along his train.The brakes on the two rear cars were very hot. He bled them off and signaled for a series of brake tests. meanwhile engineer Matta sent the fireman back to see what was going on. the fireman decided that everything was all right and returned to the engine,telling Matta that it was o.k. to go ahead. But the train wouldnt budge.

Matta himself left the engine and found that the brakes on the first three cars were released but the rest were jammed. He soon located the trouble, the angle **** was closed at the rear of the third car.The angle **** is the valve which closes the main brake pipe at each end of the car.With the valve closed, the brakes behind the third car were inoperative. Something or someone had closed the valve since the Federal had left
providence.

P

[trolleyboy]

Morning Tom, a large coffee and one light breakfast this morning I think < got to loose the winter lard dontchaknow >

My take on Boris is that no matter who fathered or created him[:0][;)],he is now the "ward" of Our Place,so as such we who created him must be nice and house and feed him/it/whatever.

I hear you about Athearn, I likely told you why my favourite hobbyshop here in Brantford stopped selling their wears. The new owners wanted at least a comitment to $10K of product a year from them to ship to Canada. Needlesstosay they took a pass. This is due to there being no Canadian agent or official distributor for Horizon hobbies. Essentiaally once all the local distributors up here run out of their stuff they can get no more.

Those prices for the Mountaineer are on the verge of insanity,[:(!] yet I know of at least 10 couples that have gone on it numerous times. It's just being treated like a landlocked cruise ship [tdn][:(!] not for me.

Churchill is still a possibility for me,we would likley drive to Winterpeg to meet up,even at today's gas prices it's cheaper than flying from Pearson or Hamilton.

P Nice bit of penmenship there sir,seems more of a halooween type post though. Waiting for the next insatllment. Our museum runs with Rule G as well,full set of regs actually as we do transport members of the public,all our crews have to pass written exams on the rules every three years and must qualify on each vehicle type they operate.

CM3 Aww I can smell the pine needles to salt air and see the Palms waving as the train pulls into Miami. You sir are a poet [bow] Allow me to catch you and everyone else a round once the bars able to serve the heavier stuff.[:p]

Hopefully Sir Nick entices us with a wonderous feast this evening. I'm hopping for a nice Atlantic Cod dish of some sort. [dinner]

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay part two of the condensed versions of CP's ontario electrics

CLASSIC JUICE #18 THE LAKE ERIE & NORTHERN

The LE&N was a late commer as far as electric lines in Ontario go. It was concieved in 1910 to run from Galt to Port Dover, in an attenmpt by the CPR to develope a ferry connection to cross Lake Erie. It's route took it through Galt and along the East bank og the Grand River to Paris , where it passed under the GT. It then proceeded south through Brantford to Waterford,where it crossed the TH&B and the Canda Southern ( NYC) on a high level bridge. From here it angled to the southeasterly to Simcoe amd then to Port Dover on Lake Erie where it originallu used the GT station until permission to do this was withdrawn.

LE&N was a 1500v line using poles not pans as the L&PS did. They used a brick CPR plan station at Mount Pleasant and in Paris, and for Port Dover they used an international plane station similar to the GRR's at Galt. The LE&N shared the GRR's Galt station ( passenger could transfer easily line to line as both were CPR properties ). At Glen Morris they used an old stone house ( still there today ) while in Brantford they used an impressive two level station,with street entraanc above for cars ans the tracks below ( Market street on the Grand river now a parking garage for the Casino )This station was shared with the Brantford and Hamilton Radial railway ( classic juice #4 ) Which was a chore as the B&H ws a 600v line so only one company could have their cars in the station at a time,the overhead in the station could be switched powerwise depending on who was using it at the time. Besides 14 station stops the LE&N also served 35 flag stops along their route. ( small lean to shelters only )

Unlike the hourly service used by the GRR, the LE&N ran every two hours. In 1950 CPR applied for discontinuance of passenger service buit were refused.When this happened they (CPR) altered the timetable and built in inconvienient connections with the GRR and TH&B etc. The passemger counts then of coarse declined imediatly and abandonment was granted in 1955.

According to CPR practice most stations and flag stops were removed only the Mount pleasant and Port Dover stations survive.After passenger servive was discontinued electric freight operations did continue for a time. The line between simcoe and Port Dover was abandoned in 1962,the line between Branyford and Waterford in 1965 ( bcame a TH&B line then washed out in the 70's ) The sections between Galt and Brantford and Waterford and Simcoe lasted until the 1990's when they were finally abandioned. The freight service was deisilized after 1961and all overhead was taken down.

You can see most of the ROW from Brantford to Galt and Paris along HWY 24.

Unlike the GRR 90% of the LE&N's roling stock was wood interurbans passenger and combine cars. Like the GRR all were mu capable and they ran 32 to six car trains depending on the passenger levels. Only combine car 797 survives today ( Preston Car and Coach built in 1917 ) it is currently under restoration at our museum.

Enjoy Rob

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Story telling time at the neighborhood bar 'n grill![swg] A teaser from P and a Classic Juice from Rob! Well done boyz.[tup] Have one on me!

Rob I don't know anyone who has traveled the Rocky Mountaineer more than once. We surely must be doing something "wrong," you know like - eating, paying the bills, keeping one step ahead of it all, etc.[swg] Well, it's really not THAT bad, but I can't ever see spending those kinds of dollars for a "plastic experience." Nope.

I'll ship you my thoughts regarding Churchill by Email.[tup]

Speaking of Athearn I recall getting into a "flap" of sorts on the Forums regarding someone's topic about the demise of the blue boxes, etc. I chimed in with some thoughts paralleling lots of others with regard to the overpriced "stuff" being put out these days. Man oh man did that ring someone's chimes. I thought the guy was going to go apoplectic on the thread. I mean he was mightly upset. Of course, this just 'enabled' me a bit more, so I rang his bell again, and again .... [swg] Crazy, eh[?] All over an opinion regading model trains![wow]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Trainnut484]

Good afternoon Tom and all who plead guilty. Too early for a brew, so I’ll have a Coca-Cola.

Sorry I missed out on last Sunday’s Photo Day spread. I was too busy cheering for the Steelers. Apologies to the Colts or Patriots fans who might be reading this, but I’m tired of hearing Peyton Manning this, or Brady that. Great quarterbacks and teams, but this year is not their year to win the BIG GAME. There was a report about a Steeler’s fan that had a heart attack, or chest pains, when Bettis “The Bus” fumbled his last carry. I almost had one myself. Here’s a link to the story:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/specials/playoffs/2005/01/17/bc.fbn.heart.stoppingst.ap/

A little [#offtopic] above so here’s to a round for the house on me.

Tom, great job on the encores and the passenger train nostalgias. It’s always good to read them again in case something was overlooked before. Forgive me for finding this very funny, Tom, the caption “Can you see me?” under your VIA Observation pic taken either at dusk or dawn at the top of your posts reminds me of the Verizon Wireless guy’s “Can you hear me now”? And no, I can’t see you [(-D]. That’s a hefty list of your Can-AM roster. I’ve tried to do an inventory of my modest HO collection, but I’m easily distracted by coming across unbuilt kits that I have plans to “some day” fini***hem.

Anyone know about earlydiesels Dan’s whereabouts?

CM3, the story about the old Armour-plated carriage from that BBC link you supplied was intriguing. I myself would like to walk along the “graveyard” of old cars and locomotives. Also, to have steam still around to fill-in for those “60-year-old diesels” that might break down is amazing.

P, that PC drink list is a nice touch to “Our” place. I wonder if some of those choices will appear on the bar menu? Hint-Hint-wink-wink to Tom. Great job on the Fed Ex story and looking forward to Pt 2.

Rob, I favored Athearn BB stuff when I was a newbie to the hobby years ago, but now P2K, Kato, and Stewart fit the bill. Although, I do have some Athearn Genesis locomotives. They are hard to beat (in plastic) for details. Someone labeled them as “brass-killers.” No argument from me. I think Athearn’s BB line is good for those who are new to the hobby, and don’t want to splurge for the higher-end stuff.

That’s it for now. Take care,

Russell

[BlueAngel17]

Hi new here and want to learn more about trains. Favorites to collect and use on home layouts. All opinions are valued and good ones. Thanks , Doug

[BlueAngel17]

By the way, does anyone have any older magazines they don't want with bridges, tunnels and mountains in them that I can get or maybe you will give me to help me get started? Doug

[siberianmo]

BlueAngel17

Try the Model Railroad forum for you questions. The "Coffee Shop" may be a good first stop.

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[red p]

Thanks Tom,
Im glad you enjoyed it Trollyboy

And now for part two of our story.

Matta Figured the rear car brakes had remained off while the normal air pressure was in the train line; but when air had leaked out and could not be replaced from the engine, the brakes automatically had begun to take hold.

At any rate, it was an easy matter to open the valve again,which Matta did. In a few minutes all of the brakes released. Conductor Ward, puzzled as to the cause of the trouble, was working his way forward,examining the brakes and other equipment of each car. Before he reached the troublesome thrid car he was told the difficulty had been found.The flagman was whistled in and the Federal proceeded,56 minutes late.Matta promply made up 11 minutes of the loss inthe 86-mile streach to New Haven,Conn. using the brakes several times and they worked just fine.

At New Haven the diesels came off and an electric locomotive was added. Matta, the diesel engineer, switched his unit off without seeing Conductor Ward- who was going on to New York- or the new engineer. but this does not necessarily seem to be a dangerous act. The first engineer on the New Haven discovered the closed angle ****, and subsequent use of the brakes indicated that he had satisfactorily remedied the cause of the brakes sticking on the rear cars. He had no reason to believe that his experience would be of value to other crews of the train on its way to Washington, nor was he required to make such a report.

Two sleepers and a coach were added to the federal at New Haven, bringing the consist up to 16 cars. While his men were making their inspection of the train, Cheif Car Inspector William Pennapaker asked Ward why he was so late. Ward explained that the brakes on the rear pullmans were sticking. Pennapaker says he was not told about the closed angle ****. However, he and his assistants madean extra check of all the brakes and found everything in order. He was certain that all angle cocks were checked.

With Engineer John Rowland at the throttle, the Federal raced down the 4-track Shore Line. Blue sparks from the catenary lighting up the dark Connecticut countyside. Clipping minute after minute off the Kingston handicap, Rowland popped out of the East River tube into Penn. Station, New York at 4:28a.m. only 38 minutes late. During the 75 mile trip he applied the brakes 14 times and they functioned perfectly.

P

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #60

Here’s something to enjoy regarding Great Britain’s LONDON & NORTH EASTERN RAILWAY in a 1933 advertisement from my private collection:

BRING HISTORY TO LIFE IN ENGLAND

Visit ancient York with its 1300-year old Minster; and Durham where likes the Venerable Bede, who died as he dictated the last words of the first translation of the Bible. Wander through the historic streets of Lincoln – headquarters of a Roman Legion during the Occupation – and Norwich, once the second city of England and still preserving many relics of medieval times. Visit Litchfield Cathedral renowned for its three beautiful spires, and put yourself back in the Middle Ages at Warwick Castle. See the old walls and picturesque streets of Chester. Look down from the battlements of those might castles that Edward I built at Caernarvon and Conway, and see what a task he had to conquer heroic Wales.

Every country of Great Britain speaks to you of your own ancestors. Travel through those countries by L M S and L N E R to the places you must have longed to see every since you first read a history book.

Illustrated Pamphlet from T. R. Dexter –
Vice-President, Passenger Traffic, (Dept. A 34)
L M S Corporation, 200 Fifth Avenue, New York City.
H. J. Kitchgin, General Agent, (Dept. A 34)
L N E R Railway, 11 West 42nd Street, New York City,
or from your own ticket agent.

L M S
LONDON MIDLAND & SCOTTISH RAILWAY OF GREAT BRITAIN

LONDON & NORTH EASTERN RAILWAY OF GREAT BRITAIN
L*N*E*R


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Evenin’!

Funny thing about this “Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill” is that just when you think things are going downhill, there’s a glimmer of hope! The “parade of the not-so-regular regulars continues![swg]

I must repeat again, what happened to: Jlampke John & jdonald Don[?][?] Just when it appeared we had two dependable customers, gone-zo! [%-)][%-)]

Should make mention of my appreciation to the guys who continually make the effort to participate with inclusive and informative Posts. Check the SUMMARIES, it shouldn’t be difficult to cite just who they are.[tup][tup]

Some acknowledgments are in order:

Trainnut484 Russell
Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 14:59:59

I too was rooting for the Steelers, but perhaps not for the same reasons. Having a heart attack by a spectator over a play in football? Geesh, that’s a bit over the top.

We missed your fine pix this past Sunday, but perhaps you’ll find a way to come ‘round for this Sunday Photo Posting Day![tup]

earlydiesels Dan is now a member of the Legion of the Lost. We’ll be here if and when he decides to check in. Just hope he and everyone else who has long term absences, takes the time to check through the pages to catch up.

ftwNSengineer P
Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 15:52:11

Curious: Part II, eh[?] How many to go[?] Are you finding anything Posted ‘round here of interest[?]


I see Nick and Al out there in the shadows. C’mon in – after all it is Fish ‘n Chips Nite!


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

My family is accusing me of brainwashing my five year old Grandson. He just sat with me and watched a 90 minute train video on the UP passenger trains and wanted to see more when it finished . We babysat for him from the time he was eight months and I have groomed him for trains from the beginning. No one believes that a five year old would care more for train videos than cartoons. I have bought a couple of small trains for him and guess for his next birthday its Lionel time.

Did the same for my daughter in Canada when she was about six and she was the envy of every boy in the neighborhood.

My daughter still has the Lionel set i set up for her all those years ago and will bring it out for the granddaughter she says in a couple more years. Unfortunately daughters husband does not share her love of trains.

I am going to post the Passengerfan Al's streamliner corner later this evening as I have Hockey tickets for tonights game. I haven't been to a live Hockey game since I left Toronto. Of course their are many out their that would question whether the Maple Leafs have ever been alive. We have a new miner leaque team and guess i'll have to support them.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Hello Al

What you are doing with your grandchildren is precisely what needs to be done - inclucate them with the love of trains. I do the same. Have 5 grandkids, one is definitely "hooked," and another is on the way.[tup][tup]

Hockey[?] Love it! But,. unfortunately the St. Louis Blues of the NHL have ceased playing the game the way it was meant to be played. They are having one of the worst seasons ever, on the way to breaking the downward spiral record set back in 1978-79. What 's the name of the team you will see and what league is it in[?] These are TEST questions - just to see if you are reading the Posts![swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Tom Just a quick reply they are the Stockton Thunder and are playing in our brand new Arena that just opened. They had Neil Diamond as the opening ahow on Sunday at the new Arena and we lost $400,000.00 dollars. Apparently he cost the city 1 million and they only sold $600,000 in tickets. Anyway they fired the City Manager on Tuesday. He was the one who did so much to revitalize a dead downtown and maybe it was arrogance or whatever but personally I think he did a great job over the last five years.
Now we will have to find a new City Manager a new Police Chief and a new Fire Chief as the other two had already announced their retirements. The vote to fire the City Manager was six to one, only my City Councilman wasn't part of the Lynch mob and he terms out next year.

TTFN Al

[red p]

Al Shame on you for brain washing that kid, well thats what my wife would say anyway. I bet I could come up with a story for him too.[:D]

Tom You want to hear the story or not [?]

Trollyboy We have to get recertified every year. Its called the book of rules. Its coming up pretty quick too,usually in Feb.
We dont have to get qualified on each piece of equipment, but we do have a district qualification. [censored]

So anyway where were we ,........oh yes

Rowlands motor was uncoupled and run into a siding; PRR ,GG1 electric # 4876 was backed on. Harry Brower, the engineer did not see Rowland nor was he told Why the train was late. However he did make the usual terminal check of the brakes and found them to be fine.

Between New York and Baltimore, with stops at Philadephia and Wilmington, Brower applied the brakes 14 times. He had no trouble.At Baltimore the Federal had gained another 3 minutes. once clear of yard limit, Brower gave the big electric the gun. He barreled along at the usual 80 mile an hour clip. With clear signals all the way, brower had no occasion to use the brakes.

Not until he saw ahead of him signal 1339, a little more than two miles out of Washington station, did brower make the first brake application. At this time his estimated speed was 60 to 70 miles an hour. As the engine flashed pastthe signal the cab signal changed to"approach" and the signal whistle sounded until Brower acknowledged it with a movement of a lever. Brower moved the controller from the tenth notch to the fifth, and made a split-pipe reduction of 17 pounds in the brake pipe. He did not notice that the exhaust from the brake valve was unusually short. The train slowed a little on the slight upgrade but not enough for a safe approach to the interlocking just ahead.

"I looked out and thought, this isnt holding at all" Brower recalls

By now the train was half mile beyond the signal.Brower quickly threw the controller off, opened the sander valve, and set the automatic brake valve in emergency. This should have jammed all brakes and brought the Federal to a jarring halt. But the exhaust from the brake valve was only a short sigh. Emergency had little or no effect. The Federal Express was without brakes!

P

[nickinwestwales]

Well happy fish day boys +girls,fine stuff from everybody so far-excuse me if i`m a little vague tonight,just back from band practice and the hot hit was an update of the old Skip James number "I`m so glad" which still has me tapping fingers and toes on any available flat surface( anybody familiar with the song,especially the Cream version will understand )....bada bada bada crash............
right,enough of this foolishness....
O.K-Boris-go and change that apron-you look like everybodys idea of the barber of seville after a bad day in the shop-go on you strange little creature,get it sorted.

Where was I - O.K.then,-starters-in the soup kettle we have traditional Newfoundland Clam Chowder..
Also-Tiger prawns soused in lime & sweet chilli butter
- Smoked mackeral pate with gooseberry sauce & wholemeal toast
-Whitstable Oysters on the half-shell with lemon juice & brandy

for a more sustantial bite we have:

Lemon Sole,floured and paneed
whole trout,stuffed with mushrooms & green chillii`s
middle-cut wing of skate with black-butter sauce
shark steak in mustard sauce
north sea Cod in beer batter

as a special,by popular demand, we also have
Halibut,prepared to order,as you like it
Haddock in breadcrumbs with mushy peas ( a strange English favourite )

also,a traditional range of strange English fried food items-please ask at the counter for details......
Right,thats me for tonight-hopefully I will be busy in the galley--will get back to you all on specifics as soon as poss. take care one and all,love ,nick [C=:-)]

[nickinwestwales]

Red P-you cant leave us hanging like that--whats the rest of the story..?

[siberianmo]

Well Gents, it's getting close to my time to check out. Some comments:

Al Stockton Thunder! Good name. So, what's the league[?] You passed the test - well almost. [swg]

P Sure - go fer it!

Nick I'm sad and glad. Sad that not one person seems to give a "Rat's Patoot" about our Thursday Fish 'n Chips Nite! and glad that you come up with such fine selections for your Nick's Picks! Thanx, Mate![tup] By the by, an Email awaits your reading.

Leon the Night Man has arrived. Tonight he's got his spiffy well shined jump boots, a red cummerbund, bib overalls, and an ascot! What a clothes horse this guy is.
Set 'em up - drinks on me (don't know why, since no one seems to be buying a thing!! Should have Tweeeeted the lot of 'em!) Boris Ring the bell!

Later![zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon. Glad that you kept the cod plate warm for me. Thanks sir Nick for doing some cod this eveing. I'll have a guines with that as well. <sheesh> interesting new uniform Leon's wearing tonight.

Russ Hey good to see you again,you sound much more healthy than the last time you were in. I haven't gone the BB route in along time,generally and Atlas a Protoman now myself. Hope that you can make it back for this Sunday's photofest last weeks went quite well I thought.

P Nice he's doing the old cliff hanger thing to us. Oh well it's good reading so far. Amd it's got juice to boot [tup] We have separate qualifications for each vehicle type mostly due to the fact that we have such a wide range of controllers and brake types. Our open car 327 has an old K10 controller with no deadman and manual hand brakes only. The PCC's are all electric with a foot pedal deadman,PCC 4000 is an air electric with the footdeadman but air brakes instead of electric. The Witt's have the more modern K27 controllers with a handle deadman and self laping air brakes. The interurbans have full trainbrakes as they are MU'able and newer still K37 controllers with out deadmans and on and on. So you can see why our licences are broken down by #1 rules and #2 car and brake types.

Al Hope the hockey game was enjoyable. You still can't but Maple Leaf tickets they still sell out every game. When I need a Hockey fix we go into Hamilton and buy tickets at Copps Colliseum for the Hamilton Bull Dogs ( AHL Affiliate of Montreal ) If it goes really well we get tickets when the Marlies are in town ( Maple leaf AHL affiliate )

Well that's me for tonight fellas. catch you all tomorrow.

Rob

[siberianmo]

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Last day of the work week for many! Time to pour a hot cup of freshly brewed coffee and try our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts. Don’t forget the freshly baked pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery!


Daily Wisdom

I’m so hungry right now I can’t even look at food. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

* Weekly Calendar:

Today is Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite! and perhaps, Nick’s Picks!

Saturday Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 05:27:05 (224) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 08:17:05 (224) AM wake us up!

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 08:58:15 (224) An answer & a suggestion!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 09:00:00 (224) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 09:11:33 (224) reply to passengerfan

(6) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 09:31:15 (224) The Federal Express, Part I

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Jan2006, 10:50:20 (224) Inclusive Post, etc.

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 11:27:25 (224) Classic Juice #18)

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 14:39:50 (224) Acknowledgments, etc.

(10) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 14:59:59 (224) Inclusive Post, etc.

(11) BlueAngel17 (none) Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 15:08:12 (224) Misdirected Post

(12) BlueAngel17 (none) Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 15:10:21 (224) Misdirected Post

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 15:44:14 (224) reply to BlueAngel17

(14) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 15:52:11 (224) The Federal Express, Part II

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 16:12:39 (225) NOSTALGIA #60 – Great Britain: LMS & LNER (1933)

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 19:17:37 (225) Acknowledgments, etc.

(17) passengerfan Al Posted: 19 Jan 2006 19:19:02 (225) Chat

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 19:33:03 (225) reply to passengerfan

(19) passengerfan Al Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 19:54:10 (225) more chat

(20) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 20:10:13 (225) Federal Express, Part III

(21) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 20:16:59 (225) Nick’s Picks!

(22) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 20:20:17 (225) etc.

(23) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 21:30:36 (225) Acknowledgments

(24) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 23:11:59 (225) Late night Post, etc.


NOW SHOWING at The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre: [red]Is anyone interested[?]

. . . January 16th thru 21st: Disaster on the Coastliner (1979-TV) starring Lloyd Bridges, Raymond Burr & Robert Fuller.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[LoveDomes]

Good Morning Tom and all at the bar!

I’ll have one of your <traditional> breakfasts, #3 from the menu board, an extra order of bacon, a large OJ, extra large mug of java and three crullers from The Mentor Village Bakery Pastry Case!

So, what’s up[?] In browsing through the past page or two of posts, I see the “beat goes on,” as Tom likes to put it. Some stories being told, and told quite well as I see it.[tup]

I missed yesterday for an assortment of reasons, but mainly because a few things around here overloaded my discretionary time. Translation: my wife got on my case to get those things done![swg] Sorry I missed your Nicks Picks, what a great selection! I’ll be sure to stop in for some of that pizza & beer tonight – NY style of course[?][swg]

Tom, good work on your NOSTALGIA submissions. I know what it takes to compile these things, especially with the somewhat cumbersome formatting hurdles. Your efforts may be taken for granted, or totally ignored by some, but I assure you, they are packed with very interesting material. I suspect that pwolfe Pete will particularly like yesterday’s installment.[tup][tup] Also been noticing the activity over on your other site. passengerfan Al has answered your call quite well, buy him a drink on me next time he stops by.[tup]

A comment: Your Summaries are most helpful and as I see it, the best way to keep up with what’s happened and what’s happening at the bar. Also like those “reminders” at the end of some of your Posts. However, the one’s needing the reminders are obviously not taking heed. I join those of you who have taken a firm stance with this kind of thing. To acknowledge one or two, but not all, is just plain ignorant and those guys won’t be hearing from yours truly. End of comment.

Those URL’s you provided, Tom, are precisely on the mark and as a matter of fact, pretty much what I’ve been referring to in my S.I.R.T. ramblings. I do have the book you referred to, got it as a gift many years ago. As I mentioned, there is a history of railroading in my family, stretching back to early B&O years with my grandfather and his father. Thanks for blowing the rest of my story![swg]

We’ve had a mixed bag, weather wise, in these parts. As with where you are, the season is quite different and somewhat severe. Still cleaning up some water damage in the basement, nothing too serious, more of an annoyance if you know what I mean. I have the important stuff stored well up off of the floor. We don’t get too many torrential rains and the like, but when they come, Katy bar the door!

I’ll be offline for a bit, compiling part two of my S.I.R.T. essay.

Until later, OJ on me![swg]

Lars

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

I am enjoying the "Federal Express" story and will withhold comment until the "rest of the story" plays out.

Also, thanks so much for the information re the dome car model on the D&RGW - glad to see something still works in the memory bank. I don't recall seeing it at the CRM in Golden - when did it wind up there?

Steelers fans are quite vocal around here as are followers of the Redskins. I am a Giants backer as most of you know, but will pull for the Steelers and for whoever is playing the Redskins. Quick Boris, pass the shield!

LNER - when do we leave?

Our steamed proprietor wants to discuss hockey? I have a matching bag to go with my Bruins hat.

I really don't have much else to say this a.m. given what's going on with the mine fire in Logan County, so I'll get out of the way for now.

work safe

[Anonymous]

Yesterday is still a blur with all the interruptions and there doesn't appear to be a "light at the end of the tunnel." Tom, I'll take the pot of tea off the burner. I think it has steeped long enough by now.[^] There have been a number of fine posts and I earnestly wi***o "interact" with those who took the time and effort to share them. Unfortunately for me, my time is not my own. For a number of years I've been involved with a political organization, "Town Hall." My role has been more passive than active really but that is about to change drastically. Seems the "powers that be" (Town Hall) have recruited me for actively taking part in writing (Blog) stylized commentaries in support of several candidates running for office. The 2006 elections are just around the corner, so there is an air of urgency toward these efforts. Dog on it, what I'm trying to say is that my presence hereabouts will be a shadow of former postings. Tom, perhaps my duties should be assumed by someone with more free time to "keep the home fires burning." Naturally, I'll log in at every opportunity, just not as frequently as a self respecting manager should.[V] Anywho, please think on it a bit, okay?[tup]

Hey, I surely enjoyed the reports of effeciency for the various model locomotives et al.[tup] Nearly everything I own is "open frame" vintage Pittman motors and a couple of Japanese "can" types. Yes, they are Dinosaurs indeed, sort' like the Owner.[:I] P nice going on the ill fated Pensy GG-1 saga.[tup] Al, Tom, Rob, sorry I'm not much of a NHL fan even though the Lightning" did hold a prominent place heretofore. As they say: "That's all history now."[:O] Nick old [C=:-)], a superb offering on Wednesday's Fish and Chips night![tup] The menu has been duly archived in the wine cellar files. Al, "brain washing" hardly seems an appropriate term for encouraging the grand kids to enjoy and learn about a period in history that practically shaped today's modern world. For sure, kids are not taught the vital importance of history in their studies these days. Rob, thanks for clearing up the details of modern vs. vinatage control and brake systems on the varius traction eras.[tup] Hey, Barndad Doug have you dusted off the Lionel "Tin Plate" O-27 yet? A dollar to a donut, if you do it will be a classic case of "Gotcha."[swg] Yes Tom I want to see that TV Flick, "Disaster on the Coast Liner, maybe I'll see ya there? I'm still "plugging away" on the garage HO Pike but its been a "slow go." More Pix will be forthcoming a.s.a.p., thanks again.[:D] Okay Boris, I thought it was too good to be true. Let's face it, there is [alien] ways and humanoid ways...never the t'win shall meet.[tdn] Happy rails to all.

[siberianmo]

Good Mornin’!

We had a bunch of Posts yesterday, which made for lots of things to read here at the “Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill.” A “notable” or two was absent, but then a couple of others picked up the slack. Good show![tup]

Sent out a “bunch” of Emails yesterday, which of course means, replies will be coming in! Will I EVER get away from this computer[?]<grin> Nope!

Speaking of Email I urge those of you who do not have a virus protection package (software) to get one. So many Email attachments are circulating these days (daze) that one really never knows how or where or when a virus may be picked up. This stuff is insidious and the people causing it simply view it as a “game.” To them it is nothing more than a challenge to find a way to defeat an operating system, a virus protection package, etc. Having the anti-virus software only works if the “checks and scans” are being employed. So ensure they are![tup]


I see Lars has made a daylight morning visit, so an acknowledgment is in order!

LoveDomes Lars
Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 07:28:36

Good to see you and no worse for wear now that the wife got you movin’, eh[?][swg] “They” can be “like that,” if you know what I mean.<grin>

Most everyone I speak with, no matter where they reside, mention the odd weather they are experiencing. Have a good friend up in northern Cape Breton Island (Nova Scotia) who says that the flowers are poking their “heads” up through the ground. Much more rain and warm temps than this guy can ever recall. Seems like this old world of ours is undergoing “that word again” – CHANGE. Just another one of those things we really cannot control, so why fret over it, eh[?] But, for some reason, we do!<grin>

You have been providing some fantastic pix over on my other thread and I hope you will be able to repost them over here for our Sunday Photo Posting Day! Would be a shame for them to languish in the “void” of that thread. Don’t get me wrong, you and Al are doing a very supportive thing for me, and I appreciate it very much. But when it comes to interaction – this is the place for that![tup][tup]

Too early in the AM for me to get my knickers in a knot over the somewhat ignorant behavior of one or two. Just isn’t worth the time, or powder it would take to blow these guys to Kingdom Come![swg] Actually, I get much more ticked off when guys come in, fail to order, fail to recognize and fail to greet. That is just plain rude. Okay – ‘nuf of that! My knickers ARE beginning to bind!<grin>


Was just about to check out, when who should appear[?]

coalminer3
Posted: Today, 08:33:32

G’day, Mate! Good to see ya, as always. Hockey, [yeah] I was THERE for the two Cups won by the Bahston Bruins in the days of Esposito, Orr, Hodge, Cashman, The Chief, et al What a team – what an absolutely fantastic team. Have to admit though, the Canadians really had their number for many a game. No matching hat or bag ‘round here, but lots of memories and a couple of beer mugs with the logo emblazoned on ‘em. What a team![swg]

Coalmining disaster again! I’ll tell ya this, it’s time to shut ‘em down and get going on a review of all the safety procedures and precautions throughout the industry. Sure, some may think I’m out of my skull, but I know that kind of action works in the military, so why not in industry[?] Talk is cheap, action is needed and needed now. Lord, watch over those most unfortunate guys.

We need to get Pete ‘n Nick to collaborate on a Rendezvous in Merry Olde – now that would be something else, eh[?] Those two lines are long gone that were in my NOSTALGIA piece of yesterday, as I understand it, but there still are some fine runs still operating. Fun times on the rails![yeah]

NFL football this Sunday may just be a bit of a surprise. Not so much in outcome, but in intensity. I think those AFC games were the best of the bunch this past weekend. There are some things that all should know about me – never, but never, follow me into a line at a supermarket, bank, or check-out in a retail store. Invariably it will be the one with the longest wait.<grin> Same goes for sports predictions![swg] Who I favor, is hardly the ones who win. So, I figure Pittsburgh and the Seahawks should make it to the big one, with the Steelers coming out on top. Again, don’t place a bet on it because of moi![swg]

Thanx for your contributions to Coal Scuttle and the round for the boyz![tup]

Oh yes, caught your late night Post, Sir Rob but it appeared you must have been rather tired [zzz], no comments for moi. But hey, your presence is always appreciated and so are your comments![tup] Yes, Leon seems to have gotten “into” this “thing” of his with the clothes. A bit eccentric, you say[?] Considering the clientele ‘round here – he’s doin’ just fine![swg]


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[siberianmo]

Good Morning (again)!

This Post is directed more toward what Theordorebear Ted had to say, and the reason why I didn't include it in my acknowledgments.

"Our" Place is in need of a Manager! The position is part-time, and requires a bit of extra-duty for special events,Birthday Bashes, etc., and making an appearance for our Thursday thru Saturday calendar events. The pay is whatever you think is "right," which can be drawn from the tub, upstairs in my private quarters. Additionally, the Manager oversees the activities of the staff and characters of "Our" Place - with the exception of Cindy, she's mine, mine, mine - mine I tell ya! - ooooops.<grin>

Until such time as we can locate a replacement for Ted, my hope is that either Rob or Nick will step up to the plate to assume these additional duties.

Of course, this annoucement by Ted also changes the makeup of our IC. Sorry to see you leave us as a "staff" member, and hope you'll be back at least on a weekly basis.

Good luck with your new involvements![tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Morning Tom, I think I'll share that pot of tea with Sir Ted this morning and perhaps a short stack as well. So long as Boris did not get his mitts hooves into it.[:(!][xx(]

Tom I have not seen the disater on the coastliner,just wondering is the disater related to raymond Burr not fitting through the end doors of the train cars themselves[?][oops][;)] that was awfully [#offtopic] of me sorry[8]

I see your blues managed to not win again,I suspect that they not unlike my team ( Toronto ) are not built for the new rules and regs of the league[tdn]Money does not a championship buy IMHO.


Ted You sir will be missed around here. I do hope the absence makes your heart grow fonder and allow you to come by more often than you are initially contemplating. We shall do our best to soldier on without your guiding hand and hummour. I'm ordering extra tranquilizers for Boris, he may just be inconsollable.[:0][:(] Perhaps some new friends for him are needed to provide distraction. < we could make him manager > no that wouldn't work out to well. Awk on the other hand. What do you think Tom[?]

The mystery of the various controllers and brakes are much more complex than the brief list i posted last evening. Some of the cars when rebuilt over the years became hybrides. For example TCR 55 has the same brake and controller set up as open car 327 a K-10 andhabd brakes only. It's sisters W28,and RT7 were rebuilt as grinders. W28 was a surface grinder so it retained the K-10 controller but had Witt style laping air brakes installed. Sister RT7 was rebuilt as a subway grinder so also got the air brakes but had additional subway signal triping and third raail pick up added. tangled web indeed.

CM3 I await good news hopefully this time out of WVA. I'm with Tom though too many disasters too close together,perhaps more safety regs need to be made or at least revisited. Bottom line is the safe return of the men though first and fore most.

Lars I'm happily reading along with your and Toms disertations on the SIRT. As you said the url's supplied by Tom were quite informative. I await your next part(s) of the essay. I see that I'm not the only one that neglects certain bits of hearth and home and needs to take a somewhat enforced brake from the dowwntime as well. Oh well let me catch your next round for you.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Well some meat to go along with our potatoes today. I'm not sure where to classify this so I will put it into the stable with the Classic Juice series.

CLASSIC JUICE # 19 BC HYDRO RAIL & POWER AUTHORITY


This company is owned by the Province of British Columbia. The BCHPA supplies electric power and gas to much of BC and Victoria. The rail service was reorganized from the BC Electric rail Company LTD ( BCER ), an electric interurban and street railway system that began operations in Vancouver and it's surrounding areas in 1897,when it took over public transit in Vancouver,Victoria,North Vancouver,and New Westminster-the principle cities in the province.Along tthe Fraser valley, BCER provided a vital link between towns isolated from one another by distancce and absence of good roads.

The BCER's electric rail cars brought dairy and other produce to market reguardless of weather,supplied farmers with feed,machinery and supplies,carried logs to the mills in return for lumber and shingles and supplied convienient transportation for the settlers and their families.

A major setback for the BCER came in 1913 through competition from jitneys ( small busses and motor cars ) which were independantly owned. These offered extremely flexible schedules and routing, and were often enclosed against weather,wheras the BCER's city streetcars were not. Dr Adam Shortt, who investigated jitney competition in 1917, noted that many people rode them for plasure and social contacts. He pronounced them "an irresponsible service, with no permanent commitment to meet public transit needs " In 1918 the Vancouver city council declared them illegal,ending the competition that had crippled regular transit service.

Though sturdy and dependable, the rail cars fell victim to progress. Vancouvers first motorbus line went into operation in 1923 and from that time, the electric railcars were replaced gradually by motor and trolley bus lines. BCER's freight service inherited much of the original ROW and most is still in use today.

In 1935 a freak snowstorm dropped between 19.7 and 25.6 inches of snow on the area cutting overhead and telegraph wires.The intercontinental trains were stopped in the mountain passes and the services were not fully restored for svereal weeks.

After WW2, the 12MPH speed limit for BCER vehicles was increased to 18MPH, and 15MPH in school zones. In the early 50's, BCER carried out a rails to rubber program. City streetcars were replaced by trolley coaches and busses, and the interurban cars were replaced by the busses of Pacific Stage Lines now Pacific Coach lines.

Prior to 1950, the greater part of eastbound freight was from the forest industries. Then as additional industries were established on the lower mainland the railfreight business beacame more diversified. The steeple cabs were replaced by heavier diesels and the light 85 and 70 pound rail was replaced by heavier 115 pound rail

The rail service, now concentrated on frieght handling was aquired by the BC Hydro Rail and Power co ( BCHPA ) when it was formed in 1962 from the amalgamationof BC Hydro and the BCER. In 1965, BC hydro completed a new 21 acre marshalling yard in Burnaby ( outside Vancouver ) it ws large enough to store 450 cars. In 1967 a new repair and service centre was completed at the same location.

Significant changes came with the introduction of computers in 1979 controlling car control and signalling. This has continuously improved customer relations with the rail carrier.

In 1980, the provincial gov. reorganized the passenger transportation system, and the service is now a responsibility of BC Transit ( Van City )This still operates the electric trolley busses and reg busses in Vancouver and suburbs and the new sky train electric light rail. The BCHPA, as of 1984 operates a diesel powered freight service between Vancouver and Chilliwak carrying automobiles,food and forest products. Still a small railway-104 miles of track 20 locomotives and 264 cars.


Enjoy Rob

[LoveDomes]

Greetings Tom and guys at the bar!

I offer a 2nd installment on the Staten Island Rapid Transit (S.I.R.T) from several sources, primarily the works of Irvin Leigh & Paul Matus. Here then is Part II:


The map of the S.I.R.T. (1953)



Until the next time!

Lars