"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[siberianmo]

Good Grief - another catch-up Post at the "Feast or famine bar 'n grill!"

Trainnut484 Russell Great to have you back on board![tup] Of course it is going to take time to fire on all cylinders, but the evidence is in that you want to - that's a positve sign, fer sure, fer sure![tup][tp]

We also used the Rainbows Bridge facilities upon the loss of our dear friend, Fred - the long haried Siberian Husky, who left us after 16 years and 2 months. Still brings a bunch of emtions to the fore and it is now 3 1/2 years. Sure loved that dog. No doubt, you can relate. [tup]

Rob Sorry I didn't make mention of your Classic Steam - the Posts are flying through and hard to keep up with. I promise, yours will be read![tup]

Nope, we are going to demand a "Command Performance" at whatever bistro you place us all in during that first evening's get together at our Rendezvous in Toronto! My guess is the beer bottles will take flight ..... [swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[daveklepper]

I thoroughly the Clifton SIRT original electric equipment and R-44 replacement comparison photo, a great photograph. At that time, there were also a few ex-LIRR early post-war mu cars helping to provide service temporarily. As a youngster, I not only rode the Tottneville Line, yearly with my parents to a picknick at Grant City, and as a young budding railfan all the way to Tottenville (ferry to Pearth Amboy and then back to NY on the PRR), but Dad and I used to go swimming summers at South Beach, served on weekends by one-car trains. I finally got to the terminal of the now-abandoned branch at Wentworth Avenue (a one-door short platform) on a John Kneiling fantrip, which was also the only time I rode the Arlington Line ---and a B&O switcher pulled the mu's on to the bridge approach and the port tracks.

The original MU's were designed to be completely compatible with the BMT steels, the B-Types as the were commonly called, although they were available in A (single car), B (three car unit, all motors with cabs only at the two ends) and BX (same, but center car a trailer). The idea was that someday a tunnel under the Harbor would be built, and the sIRT trains could access Manahttan via the BMT's 4th Avenue Subway and the Manhattan Bridge. So, in fact they were subway cars. And the current equipment is basically identacle to the R-44's operating on the former IND and BMT lines of the subway system.

[siberianmo]

Gentlemen!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #56

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Canadian Pacific (CP) from a 1965 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


We’ll give your holiday a foreign flavor
. . . . . (just north of the border!) . . . . .


Rail away with us through the Canadian Rockies aboard “The Canadian.”

You’ll enjoy spectacular scenery, continental service in the comfort of a Scenic Dome streamliner as you travel the Banff-Lake Louise route between Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver.

It’s a holiday all the way – gourmet dining, tasty budget meals, snacks, all accommodations reserved.


. . . . . . . . . . Canadian Pacific . . . . . . . . . .


. . . . . Trains/Trucks/Ships/Planes/Hotels/Telecommunications . . . . .
. . . . . WORLD’S MOST COMPLETE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening gentlemen all,nice to see you all in such fine fettle--LARS [#welcome]-have a Jack on me ( can I say that [%-)] )-If it`s good enough for Keef it`s good enough for me-[4:-)]TOM,I`ll try a couple of Staropramens please,a glass of whatever you fancy plus the usual revolting mix of beers & shorts that serves as a round for this dissolute crew.
Right then,has everybody got a drink...........splendid,lets proceed to the menu:

In the soup kettle we have-Carrot & coriander with a hint of orange

For starters we he have: baby peppers stuffed with white Crabmeat au gratin
smoked mackerel pate with wholemeal breads
Dublin Bay prawns with sweet chili sauce

main dishes: Cleddau Bass with rum,lime & ginger marinade
Flame-grilled Tuna steaks with mustard & caper sauce
Whole Trout with spicy prawn stuffing
all served with fries,pommes de jour and seasonal veg

the dessert trolley is up to your fevered imaginations
bon appetite chaps,see you all soon,[C=:-)]nick

[siberianmo]

What, ho! The return of our Chief Chef[C=:-)] Nick [yeah]

So, you have emerged just in time to post a sumptuous menu for this Thursday's bill or fare. While these Fish 'n Chips Nites have largely gone unnoticed for well over a month, it is always good to know that you are keeping the tradition alive![tup][tup]

Boris are those tears of joy I see running down your face[?] [yeah], your boss is back! Easy, now - remember, he's a bit fragile compared to your kind![:O] Okay, okay - put Tex the Armadillo down for a second - ring the bell for a round on Nick!

By the by, have you heard anything from Wolfman Pete[?] He's been back in "Merry Olde" for nearly two weeks. Doubt that he'll be able to swing a trip to your area, but the phones do work, eh[?]

Time to catch up, Mate. Lotsa stuff out there ....

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Gentlemen at the bar!

I leave you with two gestures tonite - Boris Ring the bell for a round on me - and a ENCORE! Fallen piece for a nite-cap! [tup]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H) (NH)

Headquarters: New Haven, CT

Mileage in 1950: 1,800

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 381 – Electric: 22

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 6,925 – Passenger cars: 1,055 (including self-propelled)

Principal routes in 1950:

New York City (Grand Central)-New Haven-New London, CT-Providence, RI-Boston, MA
New York City (Pennsylvania Station)-New Rochelle, NY
New Haven-Hartford, CT-Springfield, MA
New Haven-Middletown-Putnam, CT-Boston (Readville)
New Haven-Northhampton & Holyoke, MA
Devon-Winsted, CT
Waterbury-Hartford-Plainfield, CT-Providence
Providence (Valley Falls)-Worcester, MA
Norwalk, CT-Pittsfield & Station Line, MA
Derby, CT-Campbell Hall & Beacon, NY
New London-Worcester
New Bedford & Fall River-Framingham-Lowell & Fitchburg, MA
Boston-Brocton-Provincetown & Hyannis & Woods Hole, MA
Attleboro-Taunton-Middleboro, MA
South Braintree-Plymouth, MA

Passenger trains of note:

NEW YORK-BOSTON
Bay State – Bostonian - Commander – Forty Second Street – Gilt Edge –
Hell Gate Express – Merchants Limited – Murray Hill – Narragansett –
New Yorker – Owl – Puritan – Roger Williams – Shoreliner – Yankee Clipper

BOSTON-PHILADELPHIA-WASHINGTON
(operated by PRR west of NYC (Penn Station)
Colonial – Federal – Patriot – Pilgrim – Quaker – Senator – William Penn

OTHER RUNS
Bankers (New York-Springfield)
Berkshires (New York-Pittsfield)
Connecticut Yankee (New York-Springfield)
Day Cape Codder (New York-Hyannis & Woods Hole
Day White Mountain (New York-Berlin, NH; operated by B&M north of Springfield)
Montrealer (New York-to-Montreal, operated by B&M, CV & CN north of Springfield)
Nathan Hale (New York-Springfield)
Naugatuck (New York-Winsted)
Night Cap (New York-Stamford, CT
State of Maine (New York-Portland, ME via Providence & Worcester; B&M beyond
Washingtonian (Montreal-to-Washington counterpart to Montrealer

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Enjoy! [tup]

Leon the Night Man has the bar!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, I'll have some of them Dublin Bay prawns, sure, I am 9/16 Irish. Never been to ancestral homes in Ireland and Scotland, maybe someday. Always good to see you Nick, and I appreciate your substantial role in making this thread thrive these nine months. Congratulations. Actually it does get a little silly celebrating every 12th of a month, but what the heck, I came in on a 12th (November), it helps me remember how long I've been here, just subtract 7.

Tom, thanks for New Haven encore and also Boston & Maine. You know I'm partial to The Montrealer in any context.

Ted, what do you think of Bix Biederbecke?

Rob, how many of those heavy-duty interurbans like #8 survive today? They must be relatively rare, I think, judging by how seldom they show up in pictures.

Al, your dome story is read with great nostalgia for the 1960s. I rode on only three, the Challenger, the California Zephyr and the Capitol Limited, which had flat panes of glass, not the curved domes of the western roads. Two nights in coach is no time to catch up on sleep, so might as well go upstairs and enjoy the scenery. Even at night, very scenic when it's brand new and it was all new to me.

CM3, I need the atlas to follow your post on WV. To my surprise, New York Central tracks in Charleston. Had to google about that:

"The K&M and its predecessors built through central Ohio, entering West Virginia at Point Pleasant and reaching Charleston in 1880. By 1893, the line has reached Gauley Bridge,www.wvrailroads.com/index.php/Image:Gauley_C_and_O_2.jpg Gauley Bridge following the Kanawha's north bank.Like most railroads, the K&M's corporate history reads like a bowl of alphabet soup. The K&M was operated after 1921 by the New York Central. In 1935, K&M was merged into the Toledo & Ohio Central, and T&OC was merged into NYC in 1952. NYC became part of Penn Central in 1968, PC became Conrail in 1976, and this part of CR went to NS in 1999. Got that?" http://www.herald-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060102/LIFE/601020309/1004 photo of K&M loco pushed into the river, probably by Barndad.

Doug, the letter by the conductor punching tickets into his mid-70s is almost unbelievable. Not one raise in pay from 1916 to 1931, and the stock market didn't crash until '29. I never thought to wonder how bleak old age must have been during the Great Depression. Thanks for the clue.

Dave, your area of the country is all kind of hazy to me, as I haven't been west of Chicago in 30 years. So I look at the atlas some more and see SP causeway across Great Salt Lake (and Montello and Cobre). How far is the drive to the nearest 7-Eleven? Looks like a lot of space out there.

Russ, you sound better already, keep on truckin'

Lars, welcome aboard and I did click that url to Staten Island. From there I hopped the ferry up to Manhattan and found a steam locomotive in town:
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/SUBWAYS/11TH%20AVENUE/belchin.html

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good Morning! Time to check out the pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts, along with our freshly brewed coffee (regular and unleaded!) [swg]


Daily Wisdom

You can’t lose if you win. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) Have you taken the time to read about ”Our” Place’s RR Book Relay[?] If not, check page 217.

(2) Back to our weekly routine (check page 213 for bar hours & food service):

. . . Today is Pizza Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Saturday is Steak & Trimmin’s Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Sunday is Sunday Photo Posting Day! and the bar is CLOSED!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 05:41:34 (217) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 05:47:51 (217) RR Book Relay!

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 07:22:28 (217) Acknowledgments, etc.

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 07:23:21 (217) Dome article, Part II

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 07:35:23 (217) reply to passengerfan

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 07:59:43 (217) Domes, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 10:14:54 (218) reply to coalminer3 & Dome URLs

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 10:28:18 (218)Inclusive Post, etc.

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 10:45:29 (218) reply to trolleyboy, etc.

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:09:31 (218) Classic CNR Steam #13

(11) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:14:17 (218) SIRT, etc.

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:18:57 (218) Stompin’ Tom, etc.

(13) Trainnut484 Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:26:48 (218) Inclusive Post, etc.

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:27:44 (218) etc.

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:35:01 (218) reply to trolleyboy & LoveDomes

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 11:47:23 (218) reply to Trainnut484 & trolleyboy

(17) daveklepper Dave Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 14:06:49 (218) One-way Post [tdn]

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 15:34:01 (218) NOSTALGIA #56 – Ad, CP (1965)

(19) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 18:50:14 (218) Thursday menu, etc.

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 19:14:01 (218) reply to nickinwestwales

(21) siberianmo Tom Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 21:38:26 (218) ENCORE Fallen Flag – NH

(22) wanswheel Mike Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 23:34:24 (18) Inclusive Post, etc.


NOW SHOWING at The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre:

. . . January 10th thru 14th: Silver Streak (1976) starring Gene Wilder & Richard Pryor.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)] Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Good morning to the "Rank and File" and a sincere welcome to LoveDomes Lars. Tom, just an "unleaded" and a "lead sinker" to start off with please. Forgive me for remaing amidst posts of Jan. 11th 12th. Just returned (yesterday) from hospitality "run" across the Bay and logged in only to find an avalanche of superb postings that deserve recognition "one by each." BTW, I didn't miss the "Pikes Prospectives" (Wednesday) posting of prominent model manufacurere's logos. I simply had to "cut and run" after my post due to very "tight" scheduling, crap happens.

Let me begin with where good manners and proper protocol takes me. Welcome back Westcoast S Dave with the good news for increased passenger service and, of course, anything offered from the great Pacific Electric System, no matter what vintage it may be.[tup] Lars, what a pleasure to greet an "Old Pro" on the first encounter.[^] There is already an uncanny geographical link "in place" between yourself and our esteemed Proprietor. Plus, your passion for "Classic Trains" shared by the rest of us makes special greetings seem superfluous.[tup] Al, I knew it wouldn't take a moment for your response regarding the beloved "Dome Cars." This is understandably, autonomic.[:D] Rob, the major car builders "flash back" is much appreciated. Unfortunately, except for the St Louis Car Co. and Brill, all of my Favorites received "lat rights" before I was born. Jewett, Niles, Cincinnati, Laconia, Wason, Illinois Terminal, Am. Car & Fndry., Holman Car Co., were some examples of older cars that went the "way of all flesh" along with the early Pullmans. CM3, I too have seen the (appx. 1/2" model) replica of the Dome Car in question. I thought it was on the G.N. ROW but I'm probably mistaken. Okay, that's it for this "synopsis to date." I'll get back a.s.a.p. to bring myself up to the current Friday the Thirteenth anon. Happy rails all.

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Back to the rains, chill and gloom of mid-January in mid-continent USA. Don't know about the rest of you, but the first two months of the year seemingly are the longest to endure. <ugh>

wanswhee Mike Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 23:34:24

The info on the Bess Family and K&M is most relevant to our thread and appreciated![tup]

Got a kick out of the NYC "Els" info as well. Brought back some memories of days long gone. I don't recall ever seeing trains in the streets, other than trolleys of course, but then again, I was a Staten Islander, not a Manhattanite. Rode the Els with my Grandpa many a Sunday. Great, great memories.[tup]

Never traveled aboard the "Montrealer" then or in current times. As previously chronicled, Amtrak's awful on-time-performance dissuades me from even thinking about it these daze! Glad you enjoyed the ENCORES!

Actually, we don't celebrate each 12th of the month - we recognize it. Checking through our pages, you wil note that we have ineed had special occasions marking our entry to the Forums, but for the most part the guys either let that day pass by without notice, or I make mention of it. The important aspect of it all is to remember, reflect and recall our humble beginnings, those who have departed the scene and the ones who have contributed to our continuing success. That's the point.

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 06:51:19

A bright note this AM is the appearance of our Manager Ted! Back from your trip, safe 'n not-so-sound, eh[?][swg]

An IC Email is en route.[tup]

I really am pleased with the upswing 'round here now that we are seeing a bit more from an assortment of guys, rather than just a precious few.

Checking throught the SUMMARIES quickly reveals who's been doing what. Of course having some new blood doesn't hurt at all and it is indeed a pleasure to have an unfamiliar familiar face at the bar in the person of Lars.[tup]
**********************************************************

Thanx to passengerfan Al & LoveDomes Lars for stopping by "my other thread." Much appreciated! That can be one lonely place, given the one-way atmosphere. However, I'll keep it going until the well runs dry.

So, where are jdonald Don (23 Dec)- & jlampke John (06 Jan) lately[?] I was putting together an idea for a revised "Customers List" and it hit me that we haven't heard from these two fine folks in awhile. Tired of us already[?] Hope not!

I received an E-mail from BK and he's on the "continent." Said that his flights were uneventful, but that he did spend an extra day in Iceland - finds it absolutely fascinating. I've been there, but a long, long time ago and not at all for pleasure. From my readings and what is available on the net, it IS indeed a place worthy of visiting - but oh so far, far away! Anyway, he's going to try an internet connection this weekend or for sure next week, so perhaps we'll see him at the bar soon.

By the by, I got a kick out of that "ending" to your last Post, Lars! Good for a laugh![swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Well, at least I'm now on the same page (218). Tom, it is still too early for a "kick in the chest," so I'll grab another decaf. BTW, that outstanding golden reflection of the Sun off those Budd cars "fading into the West," is really the "berries."[tup] So it's, "All you ever wanted to know about Domes...."[^] Good show of URLs, complimented with copius input from "interested parties."[tup] I'll never grow bored with any passenger equipment regardless of age or origin. However, when I first started in model R.R.ing, all my peers thought I was either retarded, perverted, or both. How could anyone find passenger operations a challenge, much less, interesting?[swg] Granted, there isn't the pragmatic aspect of maneuvering freight cars from and to trains involving the logistics of reclassifiaction, shunting, way bills, destination orders, et al. Still, making up a passsenger consist with turning "head end" cars, commissary provisioning, shop "rip" tracks for maintenance, etc.; it needn't be boring.

Rob, the reasons for C.N. origins seem to be as necessary as practical at the time. Certainly, the P & L reports in just 3 years shows it was the "only" thing to do during that economically unstable period. In the States, of course, it was private capital that bought up the failing Roads and eventually "turned a profit." That can't happen when there is virtually no "private capital" anymore. Lars and Russell, always a treat to see you guys drop in for a "nip" and a "rap."[^] Thanks for the URLs, I'm just getting "into them" now and will comment later. Gadfrey, first the phone call, then another "mission of mercy." Oh well, we "Old Timers" need to stick together in our dotage, right? Please excuse the untimely departure. At this rate, I'll never be "up to speed." but for now, let me take my leave with best wishes to all until Providence allows my return. Boris, "let er rip," this is my round, 'til next time happy rails.

[siberianmo]

Greetings!

Snow! Finally, something other than rain is falling from yonder sky! However, this stuff ain't stickin' - just about as exciting as watching paint dry. But it IS white and fluffy and I love it! So does Juneau! Forecast for the day, rain mixed with snow mixed with sleet mixed with sneet mixed with snain mixed with .... arggggggggh! [swg]

Hey Ted! 2nd time around, eh[?] I agree 100% with your assessment of modeling passenger RRs. Always has been my preference. Perhaps not so much for the makeup and breakup aspects, but simply for the sheer joy of observing them. Love 'em, just love 'em.[tup][tup][tup] Makes it all the more of a pleasure when one can personally relate to travel within cars and roads that one has modeled.

I can count on one hand (profound, eh[?]) how many people I have hung around with who share this hobby of ours. Up until meeting all of you at this bar, perhaps only 3 in my adult lifetime. Those guys were not the type to be long on criticism and short on praise, but were simply the kind of people who appreciated trains for trains sake alone.
I figure that if the hobby satisifies the owner, what else is there to say[?]

I really like those VIA Rail pix that I've been using at the top of the SUMMARIES, really great shots.

Okay - I'm back to my chores. Catch y'all later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom,

I'll have a belt of black label Tennessee sippin' whiskey, and maybe just a half sandwich. Another one of those ham & swiss, butter & mustard on a hard bread will do.

Thank you to all who have extended a welcome in my direction. Nice to be appreciated, but not at all necessary. I'm hardly a touchy, feeling kind of person! [swg] In reading the past score of pages, I would guess that Tom, BudKarr and I would make quite a threesome. [tup]

Been browsing all over the web this day and have found several sources for pictures that do not require any extraordinary measures to use their photos. They are out there, just have to research and ensure that you are compying with their wishes. Several simply want the "credit" shown by the phot when posted.

Snaining in your part of the world is it[?] Always thought the mid-west had great white winters, but from what I have been reading, isn't the case these days. Well, you may recall some dilly's back in the 40's and 50's in NYC when we had snow waist deep - of course, our waists were a bit closer to the ground than today![swg]

Saw a post a bit back that sent a shudder up my thick spine. One of the reasons I decided to get away from this cyber stuff has shown himself here. I like the way you handle it though and seems to work. No point in encouraging these kinds of people.

On to more pleasant thoughts - Check these fine domes out:

from: www.trainweb.org


from: www.trainweb.org


from: www.trainweb.org


from: www.trainweb.org


Lots more where these came from! (All posted under the terrms listed by trainweb.org)

I'll have another, please and use this twenty for a round on me!

Lars

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon Barkeep and All Assembled; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Let's play "On the New York, New Haven and Hartford." Tag line in the chorus is, "Into Boston On Time." Well they used to...I know I surpirsed Boris because he's not used to seeing me when the neons are on; but work calls. Still warm here, but all sorts of !@@ stuff is forecast for tomorrow. If you don't like it wait a minute. Gas went down from $2.49 to $2.39 today - I, of course, tanked up the mogul yesterday.

My goodness, many old names are reappearing, including the Chief Chef.

Since we had an encore on the New Haven, a few comments on the NYNH&H in the media. Maybe we can have an NYNH&H double feature at the Thee-ater (WV inflection) including "It Happened to Jane," and the original version of the "Out of Towners." Steam and diesel in one evening - we could also run "A Great Railroad at Work" as a short subject between features - something to think about.

For those of the thespian pursuit, how about a stage presentation of "Life With Father," an unfortunately all but forgotten book and play. Father labored in the financial markets in New York back in the day when New Haven stock was the center of many a portfolio (hard to believe, I know, but as Casey once said, "You could look it up." ) My favorite line from the play is when Father is reading the paper, throws it down and yells, "Confound it! Another wreck on the New Haven!"

Now I am really going to date myself here, but Eleanor Estes was a writer of children's books back in the day. The series was called The Moffats and gave a pretty good insight into domestic life around the time of the Great War.

The Moffat family lived near New Haven and many of the scenes she used in her books were quite recognizable. In one of the books, titled Rufus M., the main character, Rufus Moffat, hops a New Haven freight train. A series of adventures follows, band and get a good flavor of what the New Haven was like back then.

I have been saving and archiving more posts. My Canadian and passenger information files are expanding rapidly.

My sympathies re root canal; one of my dad's helpers where he lives just got one done, and she was as sore as a boiled owl for several days.

work safe

[LoveDomes]

Hello Tom,

My apologies for a transgression! Beat me about the head and shoulders if you must, but don't step on my blue suade shoes while doing so! I am guilty of posting pictures on a day other than Photo Posting Sunday!

Forgiveness, forgiveness, even if, even if, you don't love me anymore! What? Where did that come from - oh yes, lyrics from a tune that was just on the radio.[swg]

My profound apologies and I will refrain from posting any more than 1 or 2 at a time, if that meets with your policy?

CM3 I used to ride the New Haven up to Boston on more than one occasion back in the days of NBA doubleheaders, remember those? Loved to travel up to the Bahston Gahdens to watch the Celtics. Got as far as South Station by the NH, then made our way to North Station by an assortment of routes over the years. Was stationed up in Boston also while in the Navy. Great port of call and some pretty good memories of those times. That was a mighty fine road, they can sing what they will about the "old Rock Island Line," for my money, the New Haven was the finest in the east.[tup]

Also, am familiar with your literary and theatric references. Amazing how many common threads there are amongst those of us who share a common appreciation for and of trains![tup]

Ring that bell, Boris looks like there's sufficient change from my twenty for at least another go - Set 'em up barkeep!

Oh yes, keep the wind at your back, the sun in your face, and ...... watch out for the pole! <crash><boom><bang> [censored][banghead]

Lars

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon Tom and all the rest of " we the train lovers". Just a quick Keith's and a round for thoses assembled if you please. A bit of an in and out day for me today,I had hoped to participate a bit more but the [censored] internet server keeps booting me off. Oh well everything seems to be working at the moment.

Mike You are correct. there are not too many big Jewett's left. In Canada three of the L&PS cars are still with us. Our museum's #8 ( 1915 ) is the only restored and functional one. The big Delson museum in Montreal has sister #10 (1915 ) it was offered to us 20 years ago and when we went down to look at it it was a metal shell on it's trucks ( no glass or interior or control equipment ) and had a faarliy large maple tree growing up through it's floor. We declined the offer. Last we heard it had been removed from it's tree and some minor exterior preserving measures had been taken but it's still far from complete. Delson also owns bigger sister #14 ( 1917 ) full 62' long car. It's currently housed in St Thomas Ontario's Elgin county Museum ( the one with the failing building see my museum thread for info ) Though still owned by Delson some restorations had begun. #14 is not in much better shape than # 10 though however.


Ted Nice to see that you made it back sir. Figured that the builders series would tug your heartstrings. I've alway's liked the Niles, and Jewett cras as well. ( only ever saw pictures )but still nice classey vehicles. We had a Laconia product at the museum. A deck roofer built origionally for Boston. Sold with two sisters to Hamilton ontario in the 30's. Ran as HSR's 403 for 20 yeasr before retirement in 1953. ( Not sure at the moment what the Boston # was ). Unfortunatly it was used as a raod salt storage vehicle by hamilton public utilities for 18 years before the museum got it. Sat arounf our facility for 10 yeasr and was sadley scrapped ( not enough car left to really restore ) I have a picture of it somewhere will try to post once I find it.


Tom seems the New haven nostalgia drew out some posts Figured that CM3 would approve. We weren't disappointed. Unfortunatly that and the SIRT posts attracted the phantom post oh well some people just don't get it do they ?

Figured that as a Hockey fan you would have heard of Stomping Tom ( no threat or nicknamed for yourself implied. )

As to H&H yes indeed they have gotten their lederhosen intwined with the two "gentlemen" I mentioned. Wonder what the pillars of the community will think of that turn of events ? Nice to see Nick pop by with a worthy menu. I had tried to order the tuna steak last night but the internt gremlins didn't allow it.[:(]

CM3 Nice follow on stories of the New Haven. Did you see the new MOTOR BOOKS title on the New Haven that just came out last fall ?

Lars Nice Dome shots. since your new I think that " Da Boss " will definatly cut you some slack on the out of turn picture posting, but only cause he likes yah [;)]. BTW I don't think any of us want to hear about you and Tom and BK being a threesome. That's how awfull rumours start.LOL [swg][:O]

Well folks I'm off to look at cars

Toodles Rob

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a quick double CR and a round for the house have to go back to the office in an hour until seven PM this evening.

I guess if it keeps raining in the Seattle area they better start constructing an Ark or two.

Lars keep the dome pictures coming. In fact the more pics the merrier.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #41

SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR CB&Q trains 3-4 October 1, 1936 Houston -Ft. Worth/Dallas round trip daily 233.2 miles each way 466.4 miles round trip 5 hours 40 minutes each way.

Operated with the 9901 ZEPHYR train set until December 1944 when passing through Dacus, Texas the 9901 struck a loaded Gasoline Tanker at a grade crossing and was destroyed in the ensuing fire. There was no loss of life to anyone on the train, the truck driver was not as fortunate. This is the only incidence of a ZEPHYR being destroyed in an accident.

CONSIST 9901 ZEPHYR.

9901 Articulated Shovelnose 600 HP Cab Unit Baggage Kitchen Annex
550 Articulated Kitchen 4-Seat Lunch Counter 40-Revenue Seat Coach
571 Articulated 24-Revenue Seat Coach 24-Revenue Seat Parlor Observation

The replacement streamliner and new SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR consist follows:

9909 SILVER BULLET EMD E5A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

900 SILVER LIGHT Baggage Car

4712 SILVER CROWN 52-Revenue Seat Coach

4700 SILVER CHARIOT 52-Revenue Seat Coach

4701 SILVER TRAIL 52-Revenue Seat Coach

302 SILVER HOURS 24-Seat Dining 22-Revenue Seat Parlor Observation

The SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR operated until 1966 when it was discontinued.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Good Friday Evening!

It is Pizza Nite and Steak & Fries Nite here at the bar. We started serving [dinner] at 5 PM and from the looks of the back room, we've got a crowd. Good to see the gals workin' the tables and the guys enjoying the views![swg]

Received an Email from wanswheel Mike and he informed me that I made the 10,000th Post on the Classic Trains Forums. Hmmmmm, didn't know that! Do I win a Classic Train[?]" How about an observation dome car, like one of those beautiful Budd stainless steel jobbers run by VIA Rail![yeah]

I see some Posts to acknowledge:

LoveDomes Lars Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 14:11:32 and 14:54:22

Great shots and some good info for the guys to take note of regarding the use of net pix here on the Forums. Many may not realize that the sites out there do have caveats regarding the Posting and use of their pix. Just a matter of digging it out.

No sweat about the 4 pix! You, Sir, are indeed a rare breed not only to KNOW of the policy 'round here, but to try and live with it. THAT speaks volumes and I appreciate it![tup][tup]

In looking at that VIA Rail Park Car, I was trying to imagine just where that shot could have been taken. Those lights in the background remind me a lot of the way Quebec City looked from the former stop across the Seaway at Levis. But, I suppose it could have been almost anywhere ..... Enjoyed seeing those domes, especially "my" favorite!

By the by, you are very generous indeed with your spending and the guys are very much appreciated. I've started saving your change, for lately a twenty is far too much for the numbers we've had at the bar. You are running a tab in the reverse sense![tup][tup] First time I've seen that![swg]

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 14:23:20

Always good stuff emanating from you regarding one of my most favorite roads - the NEW HAVEN.[tup] I recall the NH being somewhat the "darling" of the stock market followers back in the times of family Monopoly games. "Dump the Short Line" and call it New Haven! [yeah][swg]

No big deal on the upcoming root canal work - other than I know I'll have a couple of days of decreasing discomfort. Right now, nothing is bothering me and hasn't since the New Year's weekend. Does tick me off a bit to know that 2 years ago, my Dentist had the chance to get it right! Now a specialist has to undo all of that and try again. Kind of makes me think of what I did for a living - hardly any do overs when it came to what we were involved with in the operational aspect of the USCG. Oh well, different strokes, eh[?]

Thanx for the round, by the by, and of course the quarters for Herr Wurlitzer's Coal Scuttle!

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 16:29:44

Forgot to thank you a Post or two back for your generous donation to our Coal Scuttle! Where in the world did you find those U.S. quarters[?] They were all silver, minted way before the advent ot the "clad" coins. The boyz over at The Second National Bank of Mentor Village were more "bug eyed" than usual when they saw them in our coin sacks. Vito thinks we're "laundering quarters! Now THAT says it all, eh[?]

Don't even want to know about H&H's lederhosen getting ensarled with the suspenders of a couple of guys we all know. Revolting is the word that comes to mind![:O]

Computers, servers and all of it really can tie one in knots these daze, especially since we are so accustomed to the technology "being there" for us. Boggles the mind to think of what is commonplace today that didn't exist 15 or 20 years back in the quantity and quality present nowadays. Amazing.

[yeah]The Three Horsemen ride again! Siberianmo - BudKarr and LoveDomes! Yeeeeehaw![swg] Strikes fear in one's heart, eh[?] Actually, I think "Stompin' Tom" should be my new cyber handle. I just may change it and start the "count" over again. But then again, Juneau would most probably give me some static![swg]

passengerfan Al Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 18:31:25

Another Streamliner to add to the collection![tup] Looks like you should get an Index out to keep track of these.

Domes and pix go together, fer sure, fer sure! But, I see that LoveDomes is a man of conviction and it is much appreciated. Too many times on these pages we have had guys "blow off" the protocol time in and time out. Really does nothing to the synergy of it all. So, I say, keep the pix for Sunday Photo Posting Day! and perhaps one or two, now 'n then, is fine.

I saw where Vancouver, BC either has or will soon set a record for consecutive days of rain. Wunnerful. Back in 1960, I spent 7 weeks in Seattle and I don't recall seeing the sun shine one day during that time - January & February. Not my kinda environment. Love the mountains, when you can see 'em![swg]

Thanx for the round, Al - Boris Ring the bell![tup][tup]
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I see that there wasn't a NOSTALGIA Post from me today, so I'll get right to it!

Later!

Tom[C=:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #57

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1946 advertisement in my personal collection.



Now you may choose from

5 fine, fast trains daily to
the Southwest Sun Country

ARIZONA * CALIFORNIA * TEXAS * NEW MEXICO

For your winter vacation, Southern Pacific offers the only main line train service direct to Phoenix, Tucson, Palm Springs and other Southwestern resort and guest ranch centers.

On the Golden State Route, low altitude way from Chicago to Los Angeles, via El Paso, Phoenix, Tucson and Palm Springs you may ride;

1. The Golden State Limited, with through streamlined Pullmans from Chicago, New York and St. Louis and streamlined chair cars from Chicago. Now on the fastest schedule in its history, the Golden State streaks from Chicago to Tucson in only 36 ¾ hours, Phoenix in 39 ½ hours, Los Angeles in 49 ¼ hours. No extra fare.

2. The swift Imperial, new 53-hour train between Chicago and Los Angeles, gives you an exciting 51-mile trip through Mexico, and shows you California’s sunny Imperial Valley. No extra fare.

3. The friendly Californian, popular economy train, carries coaches and tourist sleeping cars and a lounge car. Economy meal service. Through cars to San Diego.

4. The Sunset Limited, now making the run from New Orleans to Tucson and Phoenix in a day and a half, to Los Angeles in only 48 hours. No extra fare.

5. The Argonaut, carries chair cars and coaches, tourist and standard Pullmans and full lounge car. Through cars to San Diego. Fast, luxurious daily trains from principal eastern cities connect with the Sunset Limited and Argonaut at New Orleans.


Incidentally, we would like to remind you that the peak winter resort season will continue until February. Most resorts, however, will remain open until late spring. To insure getting the train and resort reservation you want, if possible try to take your trip a little later, during the less crowded months. All train and resort reservations should be made well in advance.

FOUR SCENIC ROUTES TO CALIFORNIA

1. Sunset Route

. . . . . 2. Golden State Route

. . . . . . . . . 3. Overland Route

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4. Shasta Route


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . S*P . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . The friendly Southern Pacific . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom

[nickinwestwales]

Hey boys,how are we all doin? ----[4:-)]TOM-Could I trouble you for a round for the house,plus thee and me-and as it`s friday,better keep `em coming-TOM,before I forget completely-the latest M.V.G-an absolute tour-de-force [^][^][^]-I cant remember the last time I had that much fun without taking my clothes off [tup][tup]
-The editorial `blue pencil` is obviously yours by right,I wish I had a worthy submission to make.
O.K. LARS-how does it go-?....wellllllllllllllllllll...........It`s a One for the money,Two for the show,Three to get ready now go cat go, but don`t you (breath) step on my blue suede shoes.....etc.
-Have just spent the evening playing to a bunch of creatures that most closely resembled the extras from the Lord of the Rings movies and still have Cardigan (Dodge City ) to look forward to tomorrow so please excuse brevity tonight,its starting to get late early again.
Am enjoying all of your various posts,please keep up the good work,rather sleepy now,better sign off before I fall over & break something-see you all soon,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' All!

I see it's Nick-at-Nite! once again. [tup] Hopefully a return to more normal times 'round here.

Appreciate the round, as always! Very pleased that you enjoyed the latest edition of The Mentor Village Gazette. It's a fun thing to do, with the inspiration coming from guys just like you, Sir Nick![tup][tup]

That tune, Blue Suede Shoes really goes back before Elvis. How many out there know who sang it originally[?] Stay tuned .....

Looks like you are doing a good job of catch up with the Posts. Lots out there, eh[?] These pages fly at times. By the by, your Email was received and responded to - thanx![tup]

Okay - Boris Ring it and a round on me! Leon the Night Man has the bar!

Nite![zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[Fergmiester]

Yo Bar Keep! Pizza? By chance do you serve up wings?!?

Good evening all. Well the grill is into overtime this evening in the MR site as the Flamers are heating their pokers by the light of the fool moon.

So I will duck in for a wee dram before turning in.

Got a bike ride in today as the temps were in the 40's and there was no snow on the ground.

Looks like I have a book to read in the near future on the Intercolonial Railway and why it was built. Has something to do with keeping our neighbours at bay. I think I know the ending but will let you know when I finish it.

Well thanks all

Later

Fergie

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon. I'll take a Cr and ring up a round for everyone else as well sir.

Tom Congrats on the 10.000th post. I figure that you should hold out for an entire consist of Budd's, and a nice pair of FP9's. Who can resist a nice pair eh ?[:D][:I][:p]. I hope the unpleasantness out on the main forum's does not bring round two of the lockdown. Nice to know that we are not bothered by that type of garbage here.

Good choice of nostalgia's, perhaps it will bring SoCal Dave to the surface again.


Ted No need to worry about being a passenger train runner only on your layout. I myself will end up with mostly downtown buildings and streetcars on mine. There will be a few industries, but I'm not bothering with an actual yard for them. Won't that win me points with the operations guys. [;)]


Al Another fine streamliner sir. I agree with Tom though you need to index them at some point. I would hate for you to lose the where and when they are to the backpages of the forum. I would have thought that the shovel nosed deisels pulling those trains would have been a higher horsepower unit.? Hopefully they were run on mostly flat non mountainous mainlines.

Evening Folks

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay a repeat of the index, with the new enteries added in.

THE CLASSIC INDEX VER 2


CLASSIC JUICE

#1 The London and Port Stanley RY L&PS pg# 116
#2 The Niagara St Catharines & Toronto RY NS&T pg# 123
#3 The Montreal and Southern Counties MS&C pg# 131
#4 The Brantford & Hamilton RY B&H pg# 134
#5 The Berlin and Waterloo Street Railway B&WSR pg# 142
#6 The Nearside Car pg# 146
#7 The Peter Witt Story pg# 148
#8 The PCC Car pg# 157
#9 The Nippissing Central N&C RY pg# 140
#10 The Safety Car pg# 162
#11 CNR Electric Lines pg# 163
#12 The Toronto Civic Railway TCR pg# 180
#13 The TCR Cars pg # 180
#14 The Toronto Suburban Railway TSR pg# 211
#15 Canadian Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders pg# 212
#16 US Streetcar and Electric Locomotive Builders ( that built for Canada ) pg# 217


CNR CLASSIC STEAM

#1 Huntsville Sub pg# 159
#2 Alliston Sub pg# 163
#3 Strathroy sub pg# 165
#4 Niagara Falls Passenger Trains pg# 170
#5 Passenger Trains on Brampton & Thorndale Subs pg # 170
#6 The " Roustabout " pg# 176
#7 Passenger trains to Palmerston pg# 182
#8 Southern On railmap pg# 183
#9 Speacial Frieghts on The Niagara Frontier pg# 191
#10 Speacial Freights on The Niagara Frontier Pt 2 pg# 191
#11 Passenger Train Profiles PT 1 pg# 198
#12 Passenger Train Profiles PT 2 pg# 198
#13 The Formation of The CNR pg# 218

CLASSIC CANADIAN ADS

#1 TH&B Doodlebug Ad for EMC pg# 153
#2 National Geographic Ad for CNR Circa 1929 pg# 209
#3 CNR Hotels Ad Circa 1932 pg# 209

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Bakery.

Tom liked the 1946 ad or thr SP trains not a single one was fully streamlined at that time.

GOLDEN STATE: in 1946 their were lightweight streamlined 4-Compartment 4-Double Bedroom 2-Drawing Room Sleeping cars and lightweight streamlined 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping cars both delivered in 1942.
Three of the GOLDEN STATE consists operated with Budd built 48 seat ding cars between 1942 and the end of 1945 when they were transferred to the TWIN STAR ROCKET that entered scheduled service in January 1946. I can find no reference anywhere to any lightweight coaches operating in the GOLDEN STATES until 1947 when the train was streamlined although many of the cars in the initial streamlined consists were heavyweights painted to match the lighweights in the half red half silver scheme.

CALIFORNIAN: In 1946 operated a few lightweight streamlined coaches in this train all built prior to WW II and all other cars in this economy train were heavyweights. Both SP and RI lightweight coaches were provided to this train although most of the coaches were heavyweights. The CALIFORNIAN never became a streamlined train and in fact was discontinued either just before 1950 or shortly thereafter.

IMPERIAL in 1946 this train was strictly a heavyweight and never achieved streamliner status.

ARGONAUT in 1946 like the IMPERIAL was a secondary train on its route and like the IMPERIAL was always a heavyweight.

SUNSET LIMITED in 1946 was still a fine heavyweight premier train on its route between New Orleans and Los Angeles. Of all of the trains in the ad it was streamlined with new all Budd built 14 car matching streamlined equipment beginning August 20, 1950 from Los Angeles.

Rob The two three car ZEPHYRS 9901 and 9902 began life as the first streamlined TWIN ZEPHYRS operating a fast 6 hour 45 minute schedule over the Minneapolis - Chicago route of 437 miles beginning April 21, 1935 and beginning June 2, 1935 each of these little shovelnose speedsters began operating a round trip each of 874 miles between the same city pairs as the MORNING TWIN ZEPHYRS and AFTERNOON TWIN ZEPHYRS with only 30 minute turn around time between runs and that included interior cleaning. They were replaced on the Chicago - Minneapolis route by the seven car 9904 TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES and 9905 TRAIN OF THE GODS train sets beginning December 17, 1935. The articulated three car speedsters 9901 and 9902 also were assigned a fourth articulated car from time to time and the 600 HP diesel was able to handle whatever assignment they were on at trackspeed. Their was alot of weight savings on these units due to their being articulated and requiring less trucks then coupled consists would have required. Passenger trucks are certainly not light in weight in fact they weighed only slightly less than the carbody shell. They were the heaviest addition to any lightweight passenger car. Don't forget Rob the original CB&Q 9900 PIONEER ZEPHYR ran the dawn to dusk run from Denver to Chicago with a full passenger load of invited guests a radi station set up in the baggage compartment and a Jackass named ZEPHYR in the baggage Compartment as well. The 600 HP power unit in the 9900 was able to covger the 1,015 miles between Denver and Chicago in 13 hours and 5 minutes at an average 77.6 miles per hour.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Good Morning! Time to check out the pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts, along with our freshly brewed coffee (regular and unleaded!) [swg]

Let’s not forget – this is ENCORE! SATURDAY


Daily Wisdom

I can’t remember leaving, so I guess we didn’t go. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

(1) Have you taken the time to read about ”Our” Place’s RR Book Relay[?] If not, check page 217.

(2) Back to our weekly routine (check page 213 for bar hours & food service):

. . . Today is ENCORE! Saturday & Steak & Trimmin’s Nite! [dinner] Dinner at 5 PM.

. . . Sunday is Sunday Photo Posting Day! and the bar is CLOSED!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 06:06:45 (218) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 06:51:19 (218) Inclusive Post, etc.

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 09:02:18 (218) Acknowledgments, etc.

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 09:18:57 (218) etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 10:55:35 (219) reply to Theodorebear, etc.

(6) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 14:11:32 (219) Dome pix, etc.

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 14:23:20 (219) Inclusive Post, etc.

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 14:54:22 (219) etc.

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 16:29:44 (219) Inclusive Post, etc.

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 18:31:25 (219) Streamliner #41,etc.

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 18:58:18 (219) Acknowledgments, etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 19:22:57 (219) NOSTALGIA #57 – AD, SP (1946)

(13) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 21:06:23 (219) It’s Nick-at-Nite!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 22:11:56 (219) reply to Nick-at-Nite!

(15) Fergmiester Fergie Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 22:28:39 (219) Nite cap!

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 00:17:34 (219) Inclusive Post, etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 00:41:30 (219) Classic Index, ver. 2


NOW SHOWING at The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre:

. . . January 10th thru 14th: Silver Streak (1976) starring Gene Wilder & Richard Pryor.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)] Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads: FIRST POSTED ON PAGE 141

Maine Central (MEC)

Headquarters: Portland, ME

Mileage 1950: 981

Locomotives in 1950:

Steam: 74 - Diesel: 57

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 4,593 – Passenger cars: 42

Principal routes in 1950 (all within Maine, other than noted):

South Portland-Bangor
Bangor-Vanceboro
Bangor-Bucksport
Bangor-Calais & Eastport
Brunswick-Rockland
Portland-St. Johnsbury, VT
Quebec Jct., NH-Beecher Falls, VT
Lees Jct.-Farmington & Rumford
Newport Jct.-Dover-Foxcroft

Passenger trains of note:

Bar Harbor Express (Washington, DC-Ellsworth, ME)
Down Easter (New York-Waterville & Rockland, ME)
Flying Yankee (Boston-Bangor)
Gull (Boston-Halifax, NS)
Katahdin (Boston-Bngor)
Kennnebec (Boston-Bangor
Mountaineer (Boston-Littleton, NH)
Penobscot (Boston-Bangor)
Pine Tree (Boston-Bangor)
Skipper (Boston-Bangor)

Note: B&M handled trains west of Portland to Boston. CN handled trains east of Calais, ME to Halifax,NS. The Mountaineer was a B&M train handled by MEC between Intervale & Whitefield, NH.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

[siberianmo]

Good Morning Guys!

A nice brisk, blue sky Saturday morning. Snow cover on the grass and roof tops, walks and streets are dry, just a bit of ice here and there. Good start for Juneau and his “pack!”[swg]

Hope our ENCORE! Saturday will bring back some memorable Posts. That’s what this day is all about ‘round here. Later on, [dinner] at 5 PM for Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite!. The gals will be working the tables, so be hungry when you walk through those doors![yeah]

Some acknowledgments are in order:

Fergmiester Fergie
Posted: 13 Jan 2006, 22:28:39

Pizza we got, steak we got, wings we don’t got![swg] Perhaps we’ll add them to our <limited> selections, as we’ve had the “call” for ‘em a few times!

Good to see ya over on this side of town. Is there a full moon – yup, by gosh, there is! – so the jerks are out in full force once again, eh[?] I don’t wander from here that often and when I do, it’s strictly for very narrow and selected topics. I’m absolutely “off” the “junk food” seen on so many other threads. Been there, done that – no thanx!

History is an interesting subject. Unfortunately there have been, and are, so my revisionists out there, that it is very difficult to sort out what was from what has been contrived. I don’t doubt for a millisecond that there was a time in U.S. history that invading Canada was seen as “the right thing to do,” however, that has long since been shelved as policy. We have enough trouble keeping English as our main language without having to add a “third” down here![swg] Bon jour, mon ami!<grin>

Hope that the next time you pop in on us, you’ll provide a story or two about trains – models are fine, just as long as you can find a connection to Classic Trains![tup]


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 00:17:34 and 00:41:30

Nice sentiments regarding the 10,000th Post, but honestly, I don’t pay attention to any Forum or thread other than right here. Didn’t even know about it. However, I’ll take the “matched pair!”[swg]

Again, some nonsense going on, eh[?] I hope those overseeing the Forums ensure that the innocent are separated out from the guilty should “lock downs” begin anew. We were fortunate last time, but also wise in maintaining our way of doing business. Absolutely no need to encourage or reward bad behavior.

Nice Index, however, the sad thing is these things could have been all under one heading! So now there is a possibility of 4 Index features, all run at different times, by different people. <geesh> and that surely complicates it, eh[?] I have bookmarked yours – and perhaps one day, maybe ……..

Hope you’ve got some input for Sunday Photo Posting Day! It may be a slooooooooow Sunday. But that’s okay – I figure we are all entitled to at least one day away from the keyboard ‘n screen!

By the by, thanx for the round![tup][tup]
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Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and friends, and a special [#welcome] to Lars (even if he does not need it) to our Forum! Please set-up two light breakfasts and a bloody Mary for me, and here's a few more Michigan quarters for some tunes. I swear ... a guy misses a few days, and has a lot of catch-up to do! This thread is ceratainly active (seems like it's only been around for nine months or 10,000 posts), so please forgive me if my acknowledgments only take me through page 217 ... I'll get caught-up eventually.

Tom Thanks for your comments on the Conductor article. There are some real sobering writing contained in their newsletters, including the one I'm about to post. Be warned it does not end on a happy note. Congratulations of the big anniversary of the 12th ...wish I could have been here. I'm back to awful hours at work, and busy busy evenings. Fortunately, two of those evenings this last week involved taking the Metra downtown to attend a few railraod club meetings! I like the idea of your Pike Perspective Day. Makes me all the more anxious to get my layout started, but that has to wait until after our move.

Ted, yeah, those guys in the O.R.C. sure wrote some run-on sentences for sure. I just type 'em the way they wrote 'em. Frankly, I'm surprised at their literacy. It's usually better than mine!

Mike, you just keep those great URLs coming! I discovered great URLs within your URLs ...having to do with the 1 1/2 mile high-line in New York. They have a great little film in there having to do with turning areas of it into parks and store fronts.

Dave, thanks for your comments on Sunday photo days. I'm going to have to get creative to have anythig to offer for tomorrow.

CM3, I'm really enjoying your posting related to coal mining. Can't get enough of that. ALso noticed your contribution the the Dome discussions initiated by Lars and gretly expanded upon by Al. Wonderful reading, and nice pix as well.

Rob, enjoyed your streetcars and locomotives to Canada post. You have a great way of summarizing information so that even I, can understand it. Interesting stuff. It would seem that our (IRM) Zephyr accident is partially covered by insurance, and that this somehow has become a "positive", in that donations have increased, and they're using this opportunity to do even more work on all the cars. The fundraising goal is $290,000 for this effort . There is a work session scheduled the end of the month ... to do what ... I am not sure. More to follow on that.

Ted, didn't want to leave without commenting on your very supportive posts.

Now ... before my bride kicks me out from behind the keyboard, here is a letter witten by an O.R.C. member on the subject of railway safety.

The Railway Conductor – September 1931

Reminiscences of William E. Talbott, Dedicated to Tom and the Gang, with Safety First as a Keynote.

I started railroading as brakeman on the 26th day of February, 1886, at Terre Haute, Indiana, for the Vandalia Railroad, or Pennsylvania Railroad, as it is now called. There were no appliances in those days, no automatic couplers except for passenger cars.

There was a big variety of pin and link couplers, with no uniformity in height, so that we had to use crooked links. There were flat pins and round pins, and of different sizes; at times you came across pins driven in with a sledge and only came out when the pin was broken and hammered out – a hard job, indeed. Also there were round pins that were driven down into holes intended for flat pins. These vexations were the cause of some choice profanity and soured dispositions.

There was no rule G at that time, and I have seen some lusty scraps, with no regard to the rules of the prize ring. But even so, the fights were in the main fair and the language used not so extreme as you can hear today around the switch shanties, and the lie was seldom passed. Again as to safety appliances, our passenger coaches had no vestibules, just an open platform at each end of the car, which was equipped with one of two styles of couplers: the Jenny coupler or an automatic coupler known as the Miller, which was only used on passenger equipment. When an interchange of cars was made from one railroad system to another, which used the other style of coupler, it became necessary to send cars to the shops to have the coupler changed to be uniform with the coupler of the system receiving it. This Miller hook was the first automatic coupler in use and on sharp curves it would sometimes become unhooked.

There were no hand hold rods on the ends of cars for safety in making couplings, and there was nothing but dirt ballast and not enough of that to be level with the ties, you had to step from tie to tie as you steadied the pin and held the link to make the coupling. Missteps were many, the unwary victim being in danger of the breakbeam, which hung low and reached to the outside of the car and often caused the loss of a life or at least a leg. As guard rails and switch frogs were not blocked as now, a foot was often caught, resulting in loss of life or limb.

Many a trainman’s life was crushed out as his foot in the unblocked switch frogs or guard rails, that operated much as the trap set to catch the unwary. There was no student system and you went out without training of any kind to make good, or if several conductors refused to take you out, it was back to the farm.

My first trip was on a local freight over the Vandalia Railroad from Terre Haute to Indianapolis. It was our custom, when a trainman was killed on duty, to drape the caboose if the conductor or brakeman, or the engine for one of the engine crew, with the name spelled out by the crepe; but the use of this mournful decoration was so frequent in those days that at the request of the railroad companies it was discontinued about 1890.

One of many incidents of railroading still fresh in memory was a trip out of Indianapolis, Ind., in 1891. I was on 4th 27 freight run, leaving one hour late, with a three-driver engine (old 42) having one pair of wheels under the pilot. We were on short time to clear for passenger No. 8 at Bellville siding. As engineman Jeff Brennan slowed for the switch target at Bellville, I dropped of the engine, running ahead to throw the switch, but the engine crowded me too close and the pilot wheels caught the switch point just as I moved the switch over, causing a derailment of the pilot wheels. I got the switch fully over in time to hold the rest of the engine.

As I got my red lights off the engine for flagging No. 8, my engineman asked me, “What shall we tell them?” but admitted that he had crowded me too much. I replied, “Tell them the pilot wheels jumped the rail after passing the switch point, and stick to your story.” Then flagging No. 8, I gave them the agreed upon version of the story while they were delayed about twenty minutes.

When I arrived at the terminal, I layed off and went visiting back to the old farm house. While I was away an investigation was held by the superintendent, who seemed to have doubts about our story. Engineer Brannon had been called for his story and had taken out the work train run on the west division, giving me no opportunity to find out from him if had he had told the story we had agreed on, that the pilot wheels had climbed the rail after passing over the switch points. There was an order awaiting me to report to the office and tell my story, and there was one sick brakeman as I climbed the stairs to the trainmaster’s office – with a resolve or prayer to the Lord that if I got out of this mess I never again would be in such a predicament, and it is a resolve that I have kept.

Trainmaster Ed Raidy said “Take a chair,” and then he sat and looked me in the eye and told me exactly how the accident happened, just as if he had been there; showed me there was nothing wrong with the track or engine trucks. The statements were all in but mine, and only those similarly caught could understand my mental distress, and on account of my youth I am sure he could read me like a book.

However, I had given my word to Engineer Brannon, and, win or lose, I meant to stick to my story and keep faith with my engineer. So I made my statement as agreed on with Brannon. When I had finished, Mr. Raidy looked me over and told me that my statement was indentically the same as Brannon’s and then requested his clerk to give me an order to go out on my car.

Some two weeks later I came across Engineer Brannon and he asked; “Did they call you in for a statement?” When I told him they had and that my statement was identical to his, and before I remarked further, he exclaimed that he would not undergo such mental distress for all the jobs the railroad could offer him, and averring that for himself the truth would suffice thereafter, no matter what comes. And I can say in the experiences of my past life that the truth first as well as the slogan, safety first, are rules that help to prevent mistakes and make this world a safe, good place to live in.

At this time the railroad business was rapidly expanding and equipment was being improved to meet the needs of expanding business. Larger, more powerful engines were built, while all new cars being equipped with automatic couplers and air brakes.

The A.T. & S.F. lad all competitors, and we looked for Santa Fe cars to get put next to our engines, as they all had the air equipment, though if we had more than five cars next to the engine with air the engineer would complain that we were burning up his air pump and beg that some cars be disconnected. Engines with air brake equipment were styled breech loaders, while engines without were called flint-locks.

The new automatic couplers had also to be adopted to pin and link couplers, which necessitated that they have holes for coupling pins and opening for links so as to serve in either case or style of equipment. The air hose needed to be a foot longer on account of the link couplers. A yard man following an engine needed to call out to his partner making a coupling, letting him know he was to pull the wrong pin, calling out “Jack no iron, jenny, full hand.” Thus he would know the link was coming to him in the wrong draw bar. A safe coupling required that the moving car have the link with pin set ready in the standing car to be jarred into place as the two cars hit together. Should both cars have automatic couplers, your partner must be notified so as to have time to get the iron out and knuckles open before the cars came together.

There was much argument that an engineer could not start as heavy train with all patent couplers, as there would be no slack between each car, requiring the whole train to be moved at one time instead of one car at a time, as can be done with slack between each car. Freight trains were usually in two or three sections, each section having about thirty cars, or all an engine could pull at that time.

All cars with hand brakes and all in sight, they went hammering along the rails to the next meeting point. Should there be cars with their air brakes connected with the engine and it happened the air line broke, as it so often did in those days, then the second section was likely to plow into the first before the flagman could get back to stop them, as there were no safety blocks with automatic stop signals, and often they followed each other too close to allow of fluffing.

Wrecks were common happenings in those days and no careful investigation such as the safety committee makes now to determine the cause and so guard against future accidents. We sometimes hear that the safety committee is the bunk, wasting the company’s money. They little realize the dangerous equipment we once had to suffer from, such, for instance, as open frogs or guard rails and other man traps too numerous to mention.

A long experience has taught me the value of safety rules and investigations for the cause and elimination of accidents by which big savings in lives and property are now being made. The department of safety should have the fullest co-operation from all employees and safety to life, limb and property should be taught in our schools, as it is now being taught in a few of the more advanced.

SAFE! Just a small four-letter word, but what a tremendous meaning it has and what innumerable angles it takes as we stumble along life’s pathway. It may be a mother with outstretched arms, the pleadings of a man of God from the pulpit, or it may be the more material work of a railroad executive who stresses safety first in the work of his company.

This small word, coming to mind as we drive along the highway, steadies the hand at the wheel and the mind that directs it. This little but all-important word “SAFE” – breathe it, fell it and live it at all times and teach it by example and word, and keep away from that terrifying remark, “Too late.”

As I lie here today on my bed of pain waiting for the stop signal at the end of the run, I feel that it would be well if the men who started railroading fifteen of twenty years after I did could know of what safety has accomplished in saving life and limb, for we see few of the maimed railroaders holding down shanty jobs that used to line our tracks, and reminders of the old careless days.

I was in the hospital during December and now am confined to a room at my home, 1529 South twenty-ninth street, with the Missus busy most of the day just caring for me. The O.R.C. Division here has been very kind to me in a material way and in their many pleasant calls and the good eats brought in by their wives.

It would tire me too much to answer you all and thank all of you, individually for your many kind acts, so this is meant for all of you. Your sympathetic calls and help have surely warmed my heart for you. I feel and know that the final signal for brakes as we enter the terminal is not far off as I lay here wasting away.

As I make out my final report, having checked up on my switch lists, with all short loads set out, and I find no penalty defects, so I hand in my report without trembling or fear at the main terminal and then to join the old-timers in a glad reunion.

To all a friend, and to all good-bye.

[V] Sorry this letter is such a downer ... but that's how it was

[siberianmo]

Morning Gents!

That is one fine Post of yours barndad Doug! Yours should be held as an example of what an Inclusive Post is all about.[tup][tup][tup]

The letter from the Railway Conductor is very sobering indeed. How many people in today's society ever think about those who came before There are so many stories of "the way it was" out there, whether from railroading, working aboard ships, in the foundary, the lumber yard, and so on, that lay quite a foundation for what people went through in order for things to evolve to the relative safety of today.

That fellow's accounts of what it was like is most revealing of the men of the times. Having a job was key - doing it well to keep it was paramount. Taking risks was part of the job. Simply an amazing accounting of the times.

Now, since this is ENCORE! Saturday, you do realize we most probably will not have our full slate of guys stoppin' by. Add that to tomorrow's CLOSED situation, and Posts like yours tend to get lost over time. That would truly be a shame. My suggestion to you and others is to refrain from new material on the weekends and go with the ENCORES!

I should make mention of Pike Perspective's Day being the innovative thought of our Manager, Ted some pages back. Mine is to remind - remind - remind and of course, participate.[swg] So the "credit" goes to him.[tup]

Appreciate the donation to our Coal Scuttle![tup]

Okay, time for other things .....

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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