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[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

Here’s something a bit different that I found in my latest TransportAction newsletter from Transport2000Canada, Vol 27, No. 6, Dec 05, 2005. The article has been retyped with permission from the author, which I profoundly express my appreciation. Hope all of you enjoy it.






. . . . . . . . . . . A Trip to Remember . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . (Marcus Garnet, President, T2000 Atlantic) . . . . . . . . . . .

My wife, Christine, and I had been looking forward to riding VIA Rail’s Remembrance Day Train ever since we had booked our trip from Halifax to Montreal. This train was, in fact, a special expanded version of VIA’s regular Ocean run, and left Halifax on November 9th, two days before Remembrance Day. The general public were permitted to ride in addition to veterans, who were especially encouraged to be part of this historic trip. They would transfer in Montreal to Train 33 to continue their journey to Ottawa the following morning.

The idea for the commemorative trip during the Year of the Veteran had arisen many months previously, with a suggestion made at the Halifax ticket office and the dedicated initiative of Ronald Jackson, one of the VIA agents there. Many other VIA staff members and external organizations worked together to make the trip a success.

When we arrived at the Halifax station we were greeted by a red carpet. An on-veterans we felt unworthy to tread on it, but this was only the beginning. Many thoughtful touches gave a period feel, including a shoe-shiner offering his services for 25 cents, who later rode on the train itself. The booking hall abounded with uniformed military people and displays of photos and war memorabilia.

We were immediately reminded of the personal cost which so many have paid to protect freedom and democracy in Canada and other nations, including my homeland – the United Kingdom. My parents had often told me of the hardships of growing up in England during World War II. More recently, and over in Canada, Christine’s late father was well known and loved by the patients whom he had faithfully visited for many years at the Camp Hill Veteran’s Memorial Hospital.

After checking our luggage we took turns to look at the displays, before a staff member exhorted us to get on board. We walked down another red carpet, awed by the ranks of military personnel standing at attention on either side. We gazed along the platform between two endless rows of gleaming stainless steel railcars, each door guarded by a uniformed military person as well as the helpful VIA Rail staff. We heard that the 33-car train (including three engines, two domes, three diners, three coaches and a baggage car) would be the longest to operate on this route since World War II, and would carry approximately 420 passenger once those from Moncton had embarked. Because of its length, the train was parked at the station in two halves and later coupled together.

After moving into our double bedroom we hastened to the dome in the Park Car, and watched the enormous train pull out of Halifax, recalling the troop trains that connected with ships to and from Europe so many years ago. Along the historic railway cut, people stood on the many bridges looking down at our train and waved to us. The Halifax Herald printed a special page with the words “Thank You” accompanied by a bright red poppy, and many onlookers held these up as signs while our train passed. There were many media reporters on board with their TV cameras, and some remained on the train for the entire trip. Seated up in the dome, we had a panoramic view and felt humbled by the privilege of participating in such a special occasion. Soon we could see the whole train stretched out alongside the Bedford Basin, reminding us of the wartime convoys which had been assembled there, and which many veterans had helped to protect.

Before boarding we had been given a paper assigning us to one of the three diners on the train, which for the occasion were termed “Mess Halls.” There were tow sittings for lunch and three for supper, while breakfast was also available the following morning. Walking down the endless corridors to “Mess Hall 2,” it was easy to see that more than half the passengers were veterans. Signs outside their bedrooms indicated the name and military position, and in our diner there were plenty of uniforms and colourful badges. At one of the meals we made friends with an older couple who told us of family members who had lost their lives while fighting overseas in World War II. It was a reminder than many who fought never returned, and that this train was also a tribute to them.

After our first meal on board, we waited for our bill, but it never came. We were told that all meals were complimentary, sponsored by Atlantic Superstore and VIA Rail. The food was very enjoyable, served by an attentive and efficient staff. Throughout the journey, we appreciated the enthusiastic attitude and helpfulness of VIA employees. This was all the more impressive in view of the large numbers who needed to be accommodated, some of whom had special needs. It seemed that every detail had been anticipated, including the provision of a volunteer paramedic who assisted several passengers enroute.

Our train was enthusiastically welcomed at the many Maritime communities we passed through. Some people held up “Thank You” signs in their own yards. Others were parked near grade crossings to anticipate our arrival. One or two stood alone and saluted the train as it passed. At Truro, crowds of children lined their schoolyard fence and waved. Crossing the Tantramar marshes, we were greed by two deer romping in a nearby field with the train curving around almost as a backdrop – a magnificent sight! At each station, a home-grown welcome awaited us, a band, a choir, a troupe of cadets standing at attention. At Moncton, we took a brief walk outside and almost got lost in the crowd following the pipe band marching up the platform.

There were poignant greetings at the tiny communities served by flagstops, where people had gone far out of their way to prepare for the train’s arrival. We especially remember the stop at Jacquet River late in the northern New Brunswick evening, where a flatbed truck had been parked as a float, complete with a strobe light mounted on a stepladder. People used what they had to show their appreciation. The last community in New Brunswick, Tidewater, does not even have a flagstop, but by prior arrangement our train slowed down so we could see the people waving, the coloured lights and the lone fire truck with its strobes flashing a salute. These people had stayed up late and waited long for our delayed arrival. Before climbing into our bunks we rumbled across the bridge into Quebec, where a small group waved to our train at the picturesque Matapedia station.

By morning our train had made up much of our former delay. After St. Lambert, Paul Cote, VIA Rail’s CEO, formally welcomed the veterans over the intercom. Se would have pulled into Montreal only an hour late, but the train had to back into Central Station to split the train into two halves. Across the platform, the veterans were greeted with flags, uniformed guards and TV cameras while boarding the connecting train for the final leg of this historic trip to Ottawa, where countless others would join them to remember the sacrifice made by those who gave their lives for us.

Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon Barkeep and All - coffee, please and a round for the house - more $ for the jukebox as well.

Just a quick stop as I'm on my way back to the frozen outside. Excellent article on the Trip to Remember." We had (still have) several family friends who served on corvettes during the Battle of the Atlantic as well as some of my mom's people who were in British 8th Army in North Africa.

Thanks for f unit material, British Rail posting, and all other contribuitions for the day.

I'm outta here. Remember, P, it's always five o'clock somewhere!

work safe

[Anonymous]

Okay, good afternoon gentlemen. Tom, make it a double C. R. and a water back, please. If it weren't bad enough that in only one afternoon I'm dozens of post behind but I blunderd my Post off after 2 hours of "slaving over a hot keyboard." "There ain't no fixin' stupid!" For now, I'll just say thanks for the [tup] wishes at the V.A.! Turns out all my moving parts are okay. There is nothing wrong 'cept the 3-1/2 hour long wait in reception.[V] I have read all the posts since my last one and will, as usual, bring things up-to-date from most recent to the earliest topics. Earlydiesels Dan, I haven't forgotted you. I didn't want to put you "through the wringer" with sending snail mail during X-mas rush. I'll send vital stats when this annual lunacy abates after the 26th, okay? I want to thank Pete and Tom once again for the pix of Union Station. I had no idea what the ceilng's true colors were until after the rennovation. It's dag gone purdy, ain't it?[^]

My instincts, right now, is to "blow the whole thing off," but that would only exascerbate the problem, wouldn't it?[tdn] Okay, here goes. Kudoos for CM3, Barndad Doug, Rob, Al, Tom, Don, P Dave, Pete, Dan and anyone I missed for such prodigious efforts.[tup][tup][tup] So its the pigs feet jar is it? Hmmm, how about CM3's Pig in a Poke, or CM3's Ham Hock? "Good man Gungha Din," and a great series Mr. Doug. In the earliest days of the British East India Trade Co., there were special "Sultan's Cars" that were veritable Taj Mahals on wheels. One can see the huge disparity between classes from the fine pix included in this series. Dave and CM3 certainly cleared up a lot of doubts on the "E" and "F" EMD locos and many thanks for this data.[tup] Nostalgia, Streamline Corner, CN Steam Trains, Trolley Juice all go together to make a really diverse thread but maintaining continuity.[^] CM3, I was wondering if the "Road Railer" trailers were the same as any Fruehoff or like American manufactured hiway trailers? I remeber the G.M.C. "Train of the Future" with its Grayhound bus coaches which disintegrated at sustained high rail speeds.[:O] Hey Tom and Doug, your G gauge trains look great under the 2 trees respectively. Ah, British Railways, now wouldn't I give just about anything for a Everywhere Pass and a couple of months to "do England, Scotland and Wales?" Oh yes, and a barrel of $100 dollar bills, I might add.

There are too many distractions right now for a proper post. So, I'll break now and return anon. Right Boris, do your thing.[tup] ....Not that thing, Cretin![:(!] See Yas soon.

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the usual please.

TOM Many thanks for sharing the Veterans train with us. It seems VIA did a grand job. I hope the Veterans got the good time on the train that they deserved. [bow] to VIA Rail.

ROB Thanks for the CNR Classic steam #11. Its sad to see steam replaced but at least the steam locos numbers used for the last time were recorded for posterity.
Its good to know that 2860 may steam next year a great loco[tup].

AL & CM3 Good info on the Roger Williams. Were there many types of diesel locos that were able to take power from the overhead or third-rail as well.There was two classes of Electro-Diesel on the Southern Region of British Railways, which has 750 volt third rail. These were introduced in the mid 1960s. I have not heard of any RDCs of this type in the U.K.

CM3 Thanks for the gen on Totes.The loading guage in the U.K.is too small to allow complete trailers to travel on the cars, so the term was unfamilier to me. Good piece on the moose.

DOUG More good posts on Indian Railways. They were some good looking locos. The crews certainly took pride in their "own" loco.

TED Just saw your post. Glad the check-up was O.K. There still is the Brit- rail pass for travel on B.R. They are offering a 20% reduction for January and February but unfortunately they can't offer the steam traction that was about in 1948[:(]

Tom Glad you enjoyed the show you cannot beat a live performance. The train round the tree looks great [tup] Thanks for the B.R. Nostalgia although I dont think the railways had recovered from the war
in 1948. There would be a lot of speed restrictions and slow travel times owing to the backlog of track maintainance.But you have to admire their attempt to attract tourists. I would still like to go back to that time if I could.

How about the Trotter Coffer name for the jar. (I know, keep taking the pills) [:)] PETE.

[wanswheel]

ABCDEFGHIJK MNOPQRSTUVWXYZ to all, and put the whistle down down Tom, I'm ordering something this time, okay. Like a shot of Old Forester Scotch with an eggnog chaser. If you serve it "Kodiak" I'll need about about 2 quarts of nog and a room at the re-hab.

I see someone has miscalculated in posting half a million words on the Indian Railway. Obviously Tom is determined to pu***his thing to Page 200 by midnight. How else to explain the necessity of gratuitous seasonal picture, another random occurance of birthday watch, unlikely sudden nostalgia for British Railways, month-old news Remembrance Day in Canada again, etc., all carefully calibrated to insure drawing a line through Barndad Doug's prediction of Dec.22.

My theory of why an electric locomotive has 2 cabs is that the sure market for electric is in the relatively short routes of frequent runs and anchored by a big city. Such as commuter or "shuttle" service. It would seem economical and efficient, and perhaps conserve real estate, to avoid turning the engine around. Instead, with just one or two quick switching maneuvers it can be positioned in front of a train going the other direction, no? What about freight, though, I don't know much electric comes into the freight picture.

Rob thanks for explaining the non-difference between trolley and streetcar. I have a theory also about the term "radial." Derived from "radius," of a circle or a wheel, with the city or downtown as the hub and the lines to the hinterlands as the spokes.

And here's a guess as to where is Russell: still licking his wounds from the Chiefs loss to the Giants.

http://capecodrails.railfan.net/budd/rdc1.jpg NH
http://capecodrails.railfan.net/budd/rdc2.jpg WP
http://capecodrails.railfan.net/budd/rdc3.jpg B&M
http://capecodrails.railfan.net/budd/rdc4.jpg CP

http://capecodrails.railfan.net/budd/budd3.jpg SFChief
http://capecodrails.railfan.net/budd/budd4.jpg NP
http://capecodrails.railfan.net/budd/budd5.jpg Football
http://capecodrails.railfan.net/budd/budd6.jpg Southerner
http://capecodrails.railfan.net/budd/budd7.jpg Bluebird

[Anonymous]

Good evening folks. Tom, let me try another C.R. and soda on for size. Recovered form the faux pas earlier, so now I can restore "order" out of former "chaos." The letter regarding Canada's Veteran's Train event surely reflects the serious nature of a Nation's grateful people and caring sponsors such as Via.[tup] I wish I could have seen the 33 car, 3 unit "lash up" from a Park Dome Car.[^] The intentions alone of this grand patriotic gesture gives me "goose flesh."

Rob, your explanation of the "streetcar vs trolley" and "interurban vs radial," I think is "exactamundo."[tup] The only difference , in my opinion, is between the car's intended usage: streetcar/trolley- -city; interurban/radial- -between cities. Hey Tom, will you be adding "pick-up" shoes to any of your R.D.C.s?[(-D] Just kiddin'! Glad to hear that Andy is still "croonin' up a storm." The old Steve Allen's Tonight show (Andy's "big break") was the definitive "talk show" of lthe ast century, in my opinion. Looks like any sort of train would be welcomed in "the City" 'bout now. Seems the Transportation Union has accomplished what Terrorists could not? Pete, the either "over head" or "third rail" is fairly common in "all electric," operations. Almost all commuter trains into Chicago had both options (e.g. North and South Shore Lines). However, diesel with 'third rail/overhead" is not common. Some cities (e.g. Washington D.C.) prohibited over head (catenary) in city limits. Most, however, would be fed via overhead wire. I have an excellent book on "modeling" overhead operations and if anyone might have questions on either modeling or protoype installations, please e-mail me. Well, its getting late and I've been at this all day long (it seems). Hope to see you tomorrow sometime. Thanks for the e-mails and Boris that's your cue. Put that cue stick down and ring the bell TWANG-A-LING. Gadfrey, he hit the bell with the cue stick.[alien] Happy rails all.

[siberianmo]

Special for wanswheel Mike

You, Sir, have impuned my motives. In times gone by, perhaps a duel would have been called. Now let's take a look at the situation and charges:

What possible gain for moi with regard to who "wins" the Contest [?]

QUOTE: the necessity of gratuitous seasonal picture

If this is in reference to my LGB trains pix at the bottom of today's Summary how in the world does that factor in [?] Overruled!

QUOTE: another random occurance of birthday watch

Au contraire - for anyone who has been 'round this place from the get-go, the practice has always been to rePost the Birthday Watch List! every time a change impacts it. Today, CM3 announced the date for his Bash! Overruled!

QUOTE: unlikely sudden nostalgia for British Railways

In the last Index printed, you will note that Great Britain RR info appears on pages 130, 135, 137, 146, 161 and 186. Hardly "sudden." Overruled!

QUOTE: month-old news Remembrance Day in Canada again,

Today, Dec 21st, is the date that I received permission to reprint the article from the author. Overruled!

Finally: You have not participted in the Contest therefore, you have no standing with reference to bringing forth charges! Overruled!

Nice try, but no cigar. [tdn]

Now to your URLs - great supplements!

My NOSTALGIA pieces, also in the Index have the narratives for each one you list, sans "football." Nicely done. I refrain from copying and Posting the pix in respect to any possible copyright infringement.

Better watch that Egg Nog - it's mind altering fer sure, fer sure! [swg]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day All!

Just a couple of words for CM3 - Ted - Pete

Twice in one day [?] Nice, but surely "different" for you, CM3. See my note on a specific timeframe for your Bash! [?]

Ted I think you need a copy of siberianmo's guide to using the Word Processor to prepare Posts destined for the Forums! [swg]

Good suggestions for the Pickled Pigs Feet Jar - yet another "list" will be compiled to which

QUOTE: CM3's Pig in a Poke, or CM3's Ham Hock

will be added.Thanx! [tup]

I have been unable to find any pix of that 33-car VIA Rail train. Don't understand why - but for some reason, just haven't been able to. Still waiting for my "contact" at VIA Rail to "come through." [yeah] A view from the Park Car dome would have been "something else" with 32 cars ahead. [tup][tup][tup]

Pete Your Email has been received and responded to.

QUOTE: Trotter Coffer

[?][?] I get the "coffer" part, but lost on the "Trotter." Appreciate your participation!

We are going to surely miss having you 'round here, Pete but know that your return to England is long overdue and something you and your bride have been looking forward to. Just hope we'll get to communicate once you get home - someone surely will have an internet connection. Hey, I know who - Nick! [swg]

Leon the Night Man has the bar at 9 PM! Check out the Elves' hats that he and Boris are wearing. [swg]

Later (maybe)!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[red p]

Hey Tom, just what is the "siberianmo's guide to using the Word Processor " Is that the 2 finger chicken peck method?

And just what is an Elvis hat anyway?
P

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please.

MIKE thanks for the links great [tup] They took a fair while to load but well worth the wait.

TED Thanks for the info on the over-head and third rail info. It is only fairly recently that some of the Electric Mulitple Units( E.M.U.) in England have been able to work on the two systems. With the Southern Region 3rd rail units keeping to their own area and the inter-regional trains being diesel worked. The re opening of Snow Hill tunnel under part of London where the 25kv overhead met the third rail was the reason the dual-system class 319 E.M.Us were introduced. For a few years these units worked a Rugby to Brighton service where, perhaps the Classic trains comes in as in the early 1900s there was a service that ran from the North West of England to Brighton which had an engine change at Rugby, the soutern part of the journey was hauled by a London Brighton & South Coast tank loco. this service today only runs as far north as Watford Junction( about 18 miles from London) but is very usuful especially going to Gatwick Airport as it saves the change of stations and the bother or crossing London.

TOM Thanks for the kind words [tup].
I thought "trotter coffer" was one of my better efforts. A trotter is what we call pig's feet in England( I sould have tested the word on the wife first) Oh Well[%-)][oops]. PETE

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon an AK for me please.

Tom Thanks for printing that VIA article, a great piece fer sure[tup] Also I know that you were just pulling my leg,or was that Cindy [:O] anyhow i know what you mean,if it helps you to know our store is almost empty ( seriously ) so looks like the holiday wad has been blown yet again this year.

Apology acepted on almost forgetting my pigs feet jar post. Not hard to mis in all the good background info


Nice continuing saga on the brit rail pre-history as well!


Don I would happily let you help me spend the OT but unfortunatly Heather's car has had the popensity to ooze oil from all it's various gaskets and seals of late $650+ at the moment,if we didn't need the second car it would be pushed of the closest cliff.[:!(]

The Donald Lewis books are still in print for the most part. You will need to hit a hobby shop though. They cover Candian roads and in CN and CP's case their american holdings. Black and white paint diagrams of each class and subclass of diesels are listed ,along with B/W and Colour photo's. He also list times in service num bering renumbering etc etc. Any specific queries let me know. I do not have his Volume two book which covers TH&B BC/PGE or the Quebec roads. VIA locos F's FA's are in their respective CN or CP books though he did print a book that was speacifically VIA as well.

I figured that you would know as well as anyone some of the area's those passenger trains traversed. Your own backyard as it were.

Don great info on the FT's as well. A loco that other than seeing pictures of, that I knew little to nothing about. [tup]


Mike Your welcome. The trolley vs streetcar debate has tended to rage ( friendly ) for years. Funny how something that's, so insignificant as a title can create such a vast gulf of confusion ( Not unlike Candian politics )

Your thoughts on why double ended electrics were built the way they were and on radials is right on the money. Electrics espeacially interurbans or radials tended to be linear affairs ( less land less overhead ) most of the cars could be mu'ed or if travelling alone then the double ending was strictly for ease and speed of turn around. Time was money to the electrics why waste it turning your rolling stock when you could head back in the other direction with a full load of paying customers. Likewise even the in city lines in some cases ran double ended cars. Again in smaller cities less was better.Why buy the extra land and take on the extra maintenance of in street loops if you could run back and forth. Smaller cities opted for double enders on their streetcars quite often because the traffic level ( passengers ) would be less. In large cities ie toronto the streetcar company has loops to turn the cars for a quick constantly flowing traffic pattern. Rush hours need speed of runs to carry the extra people , also there is more car traffic so the motorman getting out to change ends ie raise one pole and lower the other would not be safe on a street in Toronto, so the turnig loop allows for single ended cars to be run, ther by making the run faster and safer for the crews.

Most electric street railways that operated locomotives for industrial switching ytended to purchase loco's that were double ended as well. ( I can't think of any steeple cabs or boxcabs that were single ended ) For the most part electric switching of industries is done the same as conventional ( deisel or steam )back and forth and run around your train etc. Having two sets of controls made the switching likley easier for the engineer in an electric locomotive, you figue since he simply changes ends he's alwys facing the way he's going no need to look backwards over his shoulder when heading back the other way like he would have had to do on early GP's.(Most railways added a second set of controls to their diesel road switchers so now this is a moot point.) Also most steeple cabs and box motors were too heavy to turn on loops as well. They can't handle the tight curvature do to weight and their more traditional trucks. Also it's hard to lopp 20-50 freight cars and a caboose behind you at any rate.

Indeed your thoughts on the term radial is right on as well. For example the initial idea of sir Adam Beck's dream to have several hundred inter conected interurbans in ontario started on the premise that they would radiate out from toronto to all the surrounding population cemtres, hence the term Radial was born. Indeed the web of lines built between 1904-1917 did tend to look very spoke like.woth Toronto and the Niagara peninsula more or less in the middle.


Pete Have a good trip[ be safe and have a blast.Be carefull if you do meet up with Nick though, your liver may not be the same afterward. LOL

P I use the two finger peck method works for me ( mostly )

Well gents have a good evening.

Rob

[siberianmo]

Last Call! Leon the Night Man will be closing up - so drink 'em up, order one last one - Boris ring the bell.

Acknowledgments to P - Pete and Rob before closing up.

Oh by the by - Tweeeeeeeeeet, Tweeeeeeeeet! Rules Violation, Rules Violation - Rule #2 - Failure to order a drink and/or food. - And that took all 8 fingers and two thumbs to type. Elvis would be soooooooo proud. [swg] Should throw in #3 - signature occupies more space than the Post! But, what the H .......

Pete Well, THAT is a good name - it will surely be added to the "list." [tup] As always some good "scoop" for the uniformed, which includes moi! [swg]

Rob Appreciate the visit and educational information, as always. [tup]

Speakiing a bit "out of school," methinks Pete is more than a fair match for Nick! Hanging out with these two would surely be a Godsend to the local breweries! [swg] A thought: should they show up for our Rendezvous in Toronto you may want to ensure that wherever you select for our evenin' get togethers stocks an adequate supply of the suds! [tup]

Boy I'll tell ya how easy it is to miss "things" within the Posts these days (daze) - happens all the time as of late. I just ran down the previous 2 pages, and [wow] - we have some material, eh [?]

Glad you and Pete enjoyed that article on the Remembrance Day Train, if you or anyone else would llke to send an Email to the author - let me know and I'll ship you his address.

Okay - that's IT for me.

See y'all at 6 AM!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

We open at 6 AM all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

A “Thursday way” to continue this countdown to Christmas is to spend a bit of time with us by ordering a <light> breakfast from the menu board – have a cup of freshly brewed coffee and try some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery! [tup]

An observation: We have a few guys who either don’t want to, or can’t figure out how to, maximize the features of the Forums to enable one to call up the most recent Posts BEFORE and AFTER submitting their own. All this does is delay responses and acknowledgments, especially if one Posts daily or infrequently. Bad habits are easy to start and oh so hard to stop. Pity.


Daily Wisdom:

If you have a hill to climb, waitin’ won’t make it smaller.


Info for the Day:

(1) CONTEST:
What date (time optional) will ”Our” Place reach the next plateau – page 200 [?] BONUS question: WHO will be the one to “turn the page” [?]

Participants . . . . . . Date chosen . . . . (Bonus) Who will put us over the top [?]
(in order of participation)
pwolfe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dec 20th . . . . . . . . . .siberianmo Tom
trolleyboy Rob . . . . . . . . . Dec 18th (12:05 PM) . siberianmo Tom
coalminer3 CM3 . . . . . . . .Dec 18th. . . . . . . . . . siberianmo Tom
barndad Doug . . . . . . . . . Dec 22nd . . . . . . . . . none
nickinwestwales Nick . . . .Dec 27th . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
ftwNSengineer P . . . . . . . Dec 23rd . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
jlampke John . . . . . . . . . Dec 24th (noon) . . . . . siberianmo Tom

CONTEST CLOSED!

(2)Birthday Bash for CM3 set for Friday, January 6th!

(3) I suspect next week will be rather light insofar as patrons are concerned, so many of my Posts will be ENCORE! pieces. Enjoy!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 05:23:58 (198) Inclusive Post, etc. & Steam Delights of India, Part IV

(2) passengerfan Al 21 Dec 2005: Today, 07:28:05 (198) Streamliner #32 – Roger Williams (RDCs)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 08:19:48 (198) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 08:22:59 (198) Informative Post, etc.

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 09:13:49 (198) Inclusive Post, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 09:47:59 (198) Acknowledgments, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 09:49:02 (198) Birthday Watch List!

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 10:18:41 (198) CNR Steam #12, Part II

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 10:38:23 (198) Inclusive Post, etc.

(10) jdonald Don Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 11:38:37 (198) Inclusive Post, EMD Cabs & Boosters, Part I

(11) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 11:55:20 (198) etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 12:28:46 (198) Acknowledgments, etc.

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 13:32:24 (198) NOSTALGIA #48 – Ad - British Rail

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 14:45:01 (198) A Trip to Remember

(15) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 15:01:48 (199) Twice in one day!

(16) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 15:46:43 (199) Inclusive Post, etc.

(17) pwolfe Pete Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 16:16:39 (199) Inclusive Post, etc.

(18) wanswheel Mike Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 18:03:36 (199) A most interesting Post!

(19) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 18:35:33 (199) Inclusive Post, etc.

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 18:42:24 (199) Special reply to: wanswheel

(21) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 19:08:35 (199) Acknowledgments, etc.

(22) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 19:31:00 (199) etc.

(23) pwolfe Pete Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 21:33:05 (199) Inclusive Post, etc.

(24) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Dec 2005, 23:52:58 (199) Inclusive Post, etc.

(25) siberianmo Tom Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 01:00:42 (199) Acknowledgments and Last Call!

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



From siberianmo’s home: (click to enlarge)

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all! I'll have a light breakfast please, and here's another Michigan Quarter for "Pete" or "PJ" or whatever our quarter recepticle turns out to be called. I saw some great posts last night and this morning, but am in a huge hurry and don't have time to give them the justice they derserve, so please forgive me, but I won't be around until possibly Saturday to give proper acknowlegments.

As for the contest ...well ..... I believe I could gaurantee my winning if I posted the two parts I have ready .... but I'm not going to do that. Congratulations P ... and Merry Christmas!

As you all know, I have family in from all over the map, and will soon be taking the Metra into Chicago for winter frolic and fun. We stay at the Doubletree Inn, as it's located right on the Magnificient Mile, a beautiful hotel, and give us great rates! Great in Chicago is anything less than $180 a night, but they still nail you for using the parking garages. The way to beat the traffic and parking fees around here is to take the train!

Anyhow ... see ya'll when I get back. Happy rails my friends!

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. This is my second attempt this AM so don't know what happened the first time but I lost it. Time for a coffee and a diet pastry. Diet pastry or not I see a diet in my future probably as early as January.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #33

HI-LEVEL EL CAPITAN Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe trains 21-22 inaugurated July 15, 1956 daily each direction all coach streamliner Chicago - Los Angeles 2,224 miles 39 hours 45 minutes in either direction.

The Santa Fe inaugurated the finest long distance streamlined coach trains in the world on July 15, 1956 the new HI-LEVEL EL CAPITANS. Here was a train with two levels, on the lower level of the majority of coaches were the car s center entrance doors and baggage racks adjacent to the lower doors and the remaining usable lower level space was a series of restrooms. After ascending a small staircase near the center one was at the coach seating level with 72-reclining leg rest seats. These were the so called Hi-Level to Hi-Level coaches of which initial consist five. The other two Hi-Level Coaches seated only 68 as these were the transition cars having one end that coupled to conventional cars and the other end coupled to the remaining Hi-Level cars.
The first of these cars had the step down feature forward and was coupled immediatly behind the Baggage Crew Dormitory car an older single level car fiited with a Hi-Level adaptor at one end to ease the flow of air up and over the Hi- Level cars. The other step down car was at the rear of the HI-LEVEL EL CAPITAN . Later this car would be coupled to the trailing SUPER CHIEF a standard height train when the two trains were combined in off peak travel seasons. No caoch passengers were allowed in the SUPER CHIEF and no SUPER CHIEF passengers were allowed in the HI-LEVEL EL CAPITAN. This rear stepdown car was for the use of train crews only.

Those Hi-Level cars with step down forward were assigned even numbers 526, 128,139,532, 534, and 536.
Those Hi-Level cars with step down at the rear were assigned odd numbers 527, 529, 531, 533, 535 and 537. Each consist operated with one each of the step down cars.

The other two Hi-Level cars were 80-seat dining cars that featred all seating on the upper level with the lower level occupied by Kitchen , Pantry, Prep areas freezers and refrigerators. The food was brought from the lower level to the upper level by Electric Dumbwaiters where the smart waiters (Those that collected the tips) served the diners.
The remaining car in each consist was the "TOP OF THE CAP" Lounge car with curved glass in the roof with regular windows as well. This car featured a newsstand and 60 seat lounge with bar on the upper level. On the lower level of this car was a large buffet with 28 seat lounge.
Two standard height streamlined cars were operated in each EL CAPITAN consist. The first directly behind the power was a Storage Mail Car. The second was a Baggage 28-Crew Dormitory car with an airfoil attached to the roof for the last twelve feet, this carried the air from the standard height car to the level of the HI-LEVEL car roofs. The new eleven car HI-LEVEL EL CAPITANS had a seating capacity of 496 passengers they replaced conventional fourteen car EL CAPITANS with a passenger capacity of 392.

TYPICAL HI-LEVEL EL CAPITAN CONSIST as inaugurated

47L EMD F7A 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

47A EMD F7B 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

47B EMD F7B 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

47C EMD F7A 1,500 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3538 Storage Mail Car

3477 Baggage 27 Crew Dormitory Car Hi-Level Adaptor

528 68-Revenue Seat Hi-Level Coach With Forward Step-Down

700 72-Revenue Seat Hi-Level Coach

702 72-Revenue Seat Hi-Level Coach

650 80-Seat Hi-Level Dining Car

576 60-Seat Hi-Level "TOP OF THE CAP" Lounge Car Buffet 28-Seat Lounge on Lower Level

704 72-Revenue Seat Hi-Level Coach

706 72-Revenue Seat Hi-Level Coach

708 72-Revenue Seat Hi-Level Coach

529 68-Revenue Seat Hi-Level Coach with Rear Step Down

TTFN AL

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and all present; coffee please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox. This morning we'll punch up Choo Choo Ch'Boogie, San Antonio Rose (Bob Wills version, of course) and Ernest Tubb with Walking the Floor Over You. Weather here is a tad better this morning, +12 degrees. Still, it's enough to make outside work a little slower.

Some insightful posts to view this a.m.

The New Haven FL9 is probably the best known dual-power (diesel and straight electric) locomotive. This beast was designed to operate between Boston and GCT w/o the traditiional change of power at New Haven. They kind of resemble an F unit on steroids as they have a two axle front truck and a three axle rear truck. Electric power came off a third rail shoe which could be lowered into position as required. A few are still with us although I believe the last of them is being phased out in Metro North commuter service around New York. I remember them quite well, of course, as they were regulars at South Station on Shore Line trains and in other service as well. They had Hancock chime whistles which were designed to simulate steam whistle sounds.

Don't worry about Boris and cue sticks. Lots of people in this part of the world hit things and other folks with 'em all the time. In some cases it's the weapon of choice.

Re my B'day bash - I am sure I'll be around in the a.m. and the afternoon - so stop by and enjoy!

Since we have been talking about the Central Vermont, etc. here's two pieces of classic f poetry(?) dealing with train travel in Vermont "back in the day. Many of you have probably seen them already; if so, I apologize

Here's the first one.

The Lay of the Lost Traveler

With Saddened face and battered hat
And eye that told of black despair,
On wooden bench the traveler sat,
Cursing the fate that brought him there.
"Nine hours," he cried, "we've lingered here,
With thought intent on distant homes,
Waiting for that elusive train,
Which, always coming, never comes:
Till, weary, worn, distressed, forlorn,
And paralyzed in every function,
I hope in hell, their souls may dwell
Who first invented Esses Junction!"

"Here Boston waits for Ogdensburgh
And Ogdensburgh for Montreal,
And late New York tarrieth
And Saratoga hindereth all!
From far Atlantic's wave-swept bays
To Mississippi's turbid tide,
All accidents, mishaps, delays
Are gathered here and multiplied!
Oh, fellow man, avoid this spot
As you would plague or Peter Funk shun!
And I hope in hell
His soul may dwell
Who first invented Essex Junction!

And long and late conductors tell
Of trains delayed or late or slow,
Till e'en the very engine's bell
Takes up the cry, 'No Go! No Go!'
Oh, let me from this hole depart,
By any route, so't be a long one,"
He cried with madness in his heart,
And jumped aboard a train, the wrong one,
And as he vanished in the smoke
He shouted with redoubled unction,
"I hope in hell
His soul may dwell
Who first invented Essex Junction!

Followed by a riposte

Reply to the Lost Traveler
By Postmaster Alfred P. Lonergan
of Essex Junction, Vermont

Some years ago, a Senator -- I believe Phelps was his name,
So journed in Essex Junction while waiting for a train,
Inclined to be poetic to pass the time away,
In rhyme real pathetic had quite a lot to say.
Condemning Essex Junction in English not so swell --
In fact, he hoped its founders were shoveling coal in Hell.

The writer has so journed here nigh on to thirty years --
To diagnose: the Senator had brains with wheels and gears
That needs oiling quite badly to open up his eyes
To find he's erred quite sadly and should apologize.

The writer feels the Junction is a pleasant place to live;
Its people and its founders the best that God could give;
A haven that was founded in our Green Mountain State
By pioneers that rounded among the good and great.

Those pioneers have come and gone -- I've stood beside their heirs.
They seemed to whisper, "Carry on; waste not your time in tears."
Somehow, in kin they left behind, the spirit seems to last.
The Mill will never grind with the water that is past.

The trees will cease to bloom and flower unless you give them sap;
The mighty streams will lose their power unless you fill the gap.
Their names engraved on monuments, their pens have ceased to function,
But they have written history for good old Essex Junction.

Their pens were swords at Gettysburg -- also at Valley Forge --
Their inks were drops of human blood that flowed down through the gorge;
That followed good old Sherman from Atlanta to the sea;
That made the good old USA a land of liberty.

The C.V. station stands erect where sat the famous Phelps
To criticize these gallant men between the groans and yelps.
Because the gears were all gummed up that God put in his brains,
And clogged the art of reason when it came to catching trains.

He couldn't tell if Montreal was way down south or north;
He didn't know if Santa Claus came 'round on July fourth,
And so he boarded the wrong train and had to hike it back --
In other words, our famous Phelps was clean way off his track.

With saddened face and battered hat, on wooden bench the poet sat,
Trying to clear his muddled brains -- all mixed up on C.V. trains.
With mighty pen -- without compunction -- assailed the Village of Essex Junction.
His poem sojourns as an aftermath, and these words are written in epitaph:

Here lies a poet whose muddled brain sent him to Hell on a C.V. train;
Since he has passed the Great Divide, his mistakes and delays have multiplied.
His mighty pen has ceased to function; he shovels coal for lack of gumption,
Not hide nor hair can he find there "who first invented Essex Junction."

work safe

[Anonymous]

Good mornin' everyone out there in "compulsive consumer land." Hey Tom, maybe just a scrambled egg on a toasted English please. I'll grab a cuppa Columbian myself.[^] Looks like the contest is coming down to the wire, eh? Well, I couldn't quite understand the guidelines. If the contestant gives more than the date and person, (i.e. name and hour), how does that effect his "right or wrong" answer? Pay no attention to me. I probably missed the fine print somewhere.

If I may, just a short interjection on our previous chat on the "double and single controlled" street cars. In K.C., MO the Peter Witts and P.C.C.s were all "single" end cars and there were "turn abouts" (rotaries) located along the ROW at different points to reverse their direction. There were several along the Country Club line toward the Plaza area and beyond. Pittsburg, PA also used them at the "end of the line." These were not "in street" girder rail but on ballast. To my knowledge, all Steeple Cabs had controls on both sides of the cab. Now, here is a question for Rob. How did the P.C.C.s reverse if they "over shot" a switch?[:O] I seem to remember that happening once and the Motorman went to the rear of the car and pulled the seat cushion up for access to the reverse controller. Its all very hazy now (50 years hence) but was the "reverse" powered by D.C. battery? I can't recall if he disengaged the trolley pole or not. All the streetcars in Tampa are double poles (2 truck Birneys).

Barndad Doug has the right idea. When going to town, "take the train." Say, Tom, do my eyes decieve me or do those G gauge passenger carriages have interior details? BTW, I have lost whole topics by trying to "refresh" before sending a post. The Word Processor is, no doubt, the way to go. And yes Rob, Tom brings up a good point on the "watering hole" in TO having copius stocks of the golden elixer of life. Of course, I usually "ice down a few" in the bathtub for any such unforseen emergencies.[(-D] You never know when there may be an impromptu board meeting called.[:-^]

In a very short period it will be "that time again" and I want to wish each and everyone one of our numbers a joyous Holiday celebrated in the manner of whatever your traditional custom may be. Safety for hearth and home, I'm sure, will be a priority for all of us. Isn't it fortunate that we are not facing the difficulties experienced by New Yorkers today? I'll stiffle the small talk for now and I hope to be around 'til Christmas Eve. Pete, thanks for additional input for the London scene. I'm going to find a rail trainsit map for that City and environs so I'm not "in-the-dark" on the myraid of lines all about. Right Boris, if you will just hand me my Mackinaw, I'll...no, that is Tom's P coat...no, that's Rob's Wind Breaker...no, that's Doug's Labrador...no, that's Mike's Drizzler...Tune in later folks to see if I ever leave the premisis. Happy, happy, Ted

[siberianmo]

Mornin’ Gents!

A nice start to a great day here in mid-Continent USA. Blue skies, temps expected to rise into lower 50s, with just a bit of a breeze. Petrol up at “Collusion Corner” (where one station has boarded up – down to two now) the stuff is selling for $2.13 rounded. Our forecast for Christmas Eve and Christmas Day is warm, warm, warm with perhaps some rain, rain, rain. Booooooooo Hisssssssssss. [tdn]

To repeat: As Christmas draws ever closer, I expect we’ll see fewer ‘n fewer Posts. The bar ‘n grill will remain open throughout this Christmas and holiday season, but take note of the following:

Christmas Eve – CLOSE at 6 PM (all time zones!)

Christmas Day (Sunday) – CLOSED – even the mail slots will be “blocked.”

New Year’s Day (Sunday) – CLOSED – mail slots “open,” but NO PIX!


To the acknowledgments:

barndad Doug Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 06:03:48

Don’t count yourself out quite yet. We’re at least halfway through page 199 as I type this (with all 8 fingers and two thumbs for anyone who is concerned about such things!). So, I’d say you’re still in the ballgame.

Hope your train trip to and from downtown is as enjoyable as I’m sure you will try to make it. Give the kids the window seats (which you will, of course) and let ‘em absorb that “feeling” as the scenes zip by – and by – and by. [swg] [tup]

We used to travel up to Chicago at least once a year, sometimes more. We’d drive (ugh – one of the most uninspiring drives in America!) and stay at what used to be Quality Court directly across from the Navy Pier on Ontario Street. Probably stayed there at least a half dozen times. Always had a good time in the “Second City” (which it isn’t any longer … LA is.) Anyway, one of my favorite big city environments, fer sure, fer sure! Enjoy yourself – stay safe and we’ll be looking for ya before the “big day!”

I've taken Amtrak up to Chicago more than a few times - depart at 4:30 AM - spend about 5 hours "killing time," then board the Texas Eagle for the always late arrival back in St. Louis that night. I like to do it that way just to have dinner in the diner and also enjoy the Sightseer Lounge and Superliners. On the morning leg, I purchase the Business Class and wind up sitting in the dark, staring out at the passing lights until sun-up. Then occupy a table for some "Joe" and whatever is hot from the cafe car menu.

I’ll be making a decision on the name for the Pickled Pigs Feet Jar shortly. I was going to throw it open to the guys, but given how difficult it has been lately to get them to sign up for Contests and our Birthday Watch List!, who needs the grief [?] Ain’t quite the same ‘round here as it once was in terms of willilng participation across the board. Ah, times, things and people CHANGE. I got it! [swg]

passengerfan Al Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 07:49:33

Et tu, passengerfan Al [?] Not preparing your submissions on a word processor program can be hazardous to one’s mental health and good demeanor. [swg] Of course, I’m supposing that was the case ….

Regarding your Streamliner Post on the Hi-Levels, I have a question or three. Who manufactured those cars [?] Were the plans used in anyway for the development of the Superliners implemented by Amtrak [?] Finally, are any of the Hi-Levels still in service [?]

Appreciate the input and look forward to the answers!

You know, the thing that always comes to mind when I read through the Posts of the “contributors” to this bar ‘n grill is that those who simply gloss through – if that - are missing so much.

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 08:12:26

The one and only connection I have ever had with Vermont and railroading was visiting Bellows Falls and Steamtown way back in the late 60s. My three kids loved it and somewhere in the archives of my family films are boxes of 35mm color slides of the event. A great benefit of living in the Boston area was the proximity to so many fun things to do.

Okay, you’re Birthday Bash! will be a morning-afternoon “thing,” and the notices will commence straight away! Especially since we’ll have a dwindling clientele for a week or so.

You say “don’t worry” about those cue sticks – however, the bar is absorbing the costs for replacement. Perhaps we need yet another jar for that purpose! <geesh> It’s far easier, and cheaper, just to fling a ball at someone’s forehead. <grin> ‘Tis the season to be Jolly, Fa La La La Lah, La, La La La Lah! [swg]

I’d never been treated to either of your bits of prose, so they were as new as the wind driven snow (which we haven’t seen very much of!). The exasperation of RR travel still prevails, doesn’t it [?] The more things change, the more they stay the same, or so it seems. Good stuff! [tup][tup]

Thanx for the round and quarters. We’ll be affixing a name to that Pickled Pig’s Feet Jar pretty soon – something you’ll be able to “connect” with. [swg]

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 09:05:33

I must have been imbibing a bit heavily the day I put those “guidelines” together. The idea was to eliminate “ties” – but going with the first one to pick the date does that very thing. Next time, no selections for time. Good observation! You still shudda played! [swg]

Don’t want to confuse things further, but DON’T “refresh” while you have info in the “block” for new Posts. If you do, well it does get lost. There is a way around it, of course – just “copy” what you have in the “block” (Ctrl c on the keyboard) – then “refresh” – then Ctrl v on the keyboard into the “block” and your ‘stuff’ will reappear. I prefer the WP, avoids any losses completely.

It is a maddening thing, one that the Forum designers probably didn’t think of or aren’t really following. The fact that when one logs in doesn’t immediately provide the most current info still boggles my mind.

Bathtubs, ice and brew. I’ve forgotten about that “trick!” Yes, methinks we’ll have more than one “Board Meeting” while in the suburbs of Toronto. Just have to make sure that Sir Rob situates us in reasonable proximity to a Provincial Store! [swg]

Yes, Sir Ted the LGB cars are fitted with interiors AND figures. I’ve also illuminated the coaches, diner, Postal/baggage car and caboose. Love the sound of LGB on the tracks – just a “smooth” running operation and very enjoyable to watch. There are two power packs – one for each oval – and when the grand kids come to visit, they have a little something to operate. Can’t hurt a thing. Of course, kids these days think trains are like race cars – the faster they go, the better. Hmmmmmmm, I seem to recall more than a few derailments with my Lionel O-27 ‘round a few curves! [swg]


Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Here are the recommendations for “names” for the Pickled Pigs Feet jar of quarters for “Herr Wurlitzer, der Juke!”

The idea is to provide a name for the jar that reflects its primary donor, which has been “hands down” coalminer CM3.

Any more suggestions [?]

I’ll make the “announcement of a ‘winner’ next week. [swg]

Rob - Coal Scuttle
Doug - Pete or PJ
Ted - CM3's Pig in a Poke, or CM3's Ham Hock
Pete - Trotter Coffer

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[jdonald]

Good Mornin Tom & all; black coffee & a danish from the bakery for me please.

More great posts since I looked in yesterday

Al Good piece on the El Cap. In Classic Trains Winter 2005 issue there is a great picture on p.58 that demonstrates the transition from low-level to the hi-level cars.

CM3 Enjoyed the Essex Jct poems. Guess we have all had to deal with our own Essex Junction in one way or another.

Tom since I slept through most of Computer 101-if you do your post on a word processor prog., how do you get that on to the forum[?] Thought they had a rule against about downloading files on to the forum.

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Don

Here's the way it works: you are NOT downloading files to the forum - you are copying them. There is a difference. Simply prepare your work on your WP, use the copy feature, then paste it within the block for Posting new messages. Be sure to use the "preview reply" feature BEFORE Posting, just to catch any subtle differences in format - which there are bound to be. Once satisfied, go for it.

Good to see you this fine day and enjoy the "countdown" to the 25th! [swg]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[BudKarr]

Good Morning Captain Tom and fellow patrons of “Our” Place!

A festive bit of cheer is in order, therefore set up the bar with some spiked Egg Nog if you will and perhaps some of that fine looking Fruit Cake from the local bakery. My treat for today and tomorrow!

As I look back upon these past several weeks I am in a reflective frame of mind for certain. My thoughts are of things like home, hearth and family. Something I have not experienced in quite some time. My career has taken me to all places far and wide, to situations of far less than tranquility and amongst many who were more than willing to harm than help. I do not endorse the Destiny’s Child theorem, however, someone surely has watched over my comings and goings and for that this season always has special meaning.

We were in Calgary this past weekend – actually arrived Thursday last and stayed through Monday. Another long drive to and from, but one that was enjoyable and as relaxing as any motor trip can be. <grin>

No meetings with anyone connected with railroads, but there were a few politicians in the mix. As is my practice, I speak when spoken to and otherwise stay on the periphery of the conversations. They seem to have a fixation with things “anti U.S.” these days, noticed that in Edmonton as well. Having the benefit of dual citizenship, I can and do offer my “sides” to the issues! <grin> I have heard it mentioned more than once in my lifetime that there is a certain paranoia amongst some in Canada regarding their southern neighbor. These same people simply find it difficult to believe that for the most part, many in the U.S. don’t even think about Canada, at all. I digress, ring the bell you beast of a cloven footed monster, and there will be a round for one and all. By the way, that is a curious thing on your head – an Elf are you? <snicker>

We will spend the Christmas Eve and Day here at home in the mountains. Then we will embark upon another journey to the Lake Louise area for our stay over the New Years holiday. It is quite a resort and one that Canadian Pacific constructed years ago. We will spend 4 or 5 days there, perhaps get in some skiing, but most definitely enjoy the great outdoors. Vibrant and alive is the way to be, especially given the alternative.

I spent a great deal of yesterday browsing through the past 20 pages at the bar. Captain Tom, you have developed quite a following and the submissions are, for the most part, superb. I think this crop of regulars surpasses those from the past only in the quality of their inputs. Perhaps the quantity is also up from say 3 or 4 months back, but the diversity of topics is simply amazing.

As I am known to do, I offer this: do not spend too much time anguishing over those who simply will not participate. Why does it matter? My recommendation is to keep things on the rails, as some like to say, and continue to cater to those who really provide the substance to your bar and grill. Your approach with the interloper crowd, as you refer to them, is precisely on target. Ignore them and others who will not join in with the spirit that is alive and well inside Our Place.

In my last appearance, I did make mention of my inability to recognize one and all for the efforts displayed on these pages. The same applies to today. My personal appreciation to the regulars of Our Place – that would be: Nick – Rob – Ted – Al – Pete – CM3 (what IS your first name?) and Doug. Next come the newer gentlemen who have made some wonderful and continuing efforts to be a part of all this: Don and Mike. There are others, but the names I have cited are those who jump out at you in the Summary pages provided by our leader.

I should make mention of this too – I miss the Index feature, especially since my catching up takes so long in between postings. Additionally, I very much would miss the daily Summary and hope you do not discontinue them. That Sunday picture posting Index was a grand idea, one that received very little recognition I might add. Captain Tom, your efforts exceed the appreciation shown, and perhaps always will. Thank you, Sir!

To Doug: That series of yours on the steam trains of India indeed does ring a bell for me. I spent some time on the subcontinent and avoided those trains at all costs! <grin> Unfortunately, there were a few occasions whereby rail was simply the only way to get from point A to point Z, with at least that many stops in between. Horrible system, if one can call it that. Give the Brits an A for effort, but the thing has surely never lived up to the expectations. Too many people, too few carriages and trains, perhaps. Not my “cuppa” if you will.

I shall return, as the phrase goes from one rather famous General of the U.S. Armies. For now, it is time to prepare a little something for the gathering to ensure that I am looked upon as a contributor.

Until then.

BK

[siberianmo]

And we have a winner - bandad Doug!

Congratulations on picking the date for turning our 200th page here at "Our" Place the "little bar that could." [swg]

Thanx to BudKarr BK we've attained yet another milestone - 200 pages of Postings!



Okay, Doug you win the prize (but no Bonus, since you didn't pick the person to turn the page)! You win: Free food ‘n drink for any of the following days: Thursday (Fish ‘n Chips Nite) – Friday (Pizza and Steak ‘ Fries Nite) – Saturday (Steak, etc.)

Good show to one and all who particpated in our last Contest for 2005!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[jdonald]

OOOOOps pressed the wrong button[:I] didn't want to finish yet.

The "F" saga continues PART TWO

F2A 1350HP produced 7/46-11/46 U.S. 60 Canada 0 Mexico 14
F2B 1350HP produced 7/46-11/46 U.S. 16 Canada 0 Mexico 14
F3A 1500HP produced 7/45-2/49 U.S. 1107 Canada 4 Mexico 0
F3B 1500HP produced 7/45-2/49 U.S. 694 Canada 2 Mexico 0
F7A 1500HP produced 2/49-12/53 U.S. 2261 Canada 80 Mexico 25
F7B 1500HP produced 2/49-12/53 U.S. 1420 Canada 47 Mexico 16
F9A 1750HP produced 1/54-12/56 U.S. 77 Canada 0 Mexico 10
F9B 1750HP produced 1/54-12/56 U.S. 98 Canada 46 Mexico 10

Features: All the models have the bulldog nose of the FT but only two exhaust stacks; and B units lack the overhang at the rear of the FTB. FTs have recessed radiator fans; these units have four roof fan housings of various types that project above the roof line. Dynamic brakes are indicated on F2s abd F3s by a pair of screened rectangular openings ahead of the four radiator fans, and on F7s and F9s by a fifth fan ahead of the four radiator fans. The models are distinguished primarily by their side panels, which were, however subject to alteration during repair or rebuilding.
Variations: Many F2s, F3s, F7s and F9s were built with steam generators, which show up in the form of extra underbelly water tanks, water fill cap, and steam generator exhausts at the rear of the roof. Many A units have agyrating warning light in the headlight casing at the top of the nose, displacing the stationary headlight to a position in the nose door. F2s and F3s have small number indicators in a streamlined housing that includes a classification light; later units have large number boards and separate classification lights. F2s and F3s built until 1947 have tall rooftop fan housings. All these details could change when a unit was repaired or rebuilt.
Nomenclature: There is little internal difference between the F3 and the F7, and most of that is electrical. Many F3s built between Aug. 1948 and Feb. 1949 had F7 traction motors and are sometimes called F5s. Details such as side panels, grills, louvers, doors and fans changed during the production of these models, and often the changes did not coincide with the model designations. Students of diesel locomotives developed and codified these changes as phases or types of the different models.


Still trying to find suitable URLs to accompany these[banghead]
Third and final part to follow

Bye for now-keep it on the rails

Don

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom ans the rest of the gang. Just time for a quick CR and i'm out the door once again.

Tom to answer your EL CAP questions the cars were built by Budd and yes they were used as the guides for the Superliners. Amtrak as this is written is operating some of the Hi-Levels as they were all converted to HEP. Five of the "TOP OF THE CAP lounges were remodeled to Pacific Parlor cars and operate in the COAST STARLIGHT for first class passengers only.

TTFN AL

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and Gentlemen at the bar!

My oh my, seems that I have made it into the history pages of "Our" Place with the turning of the page! Congratulations to you Mr. Barndad Doug, straight away selection indeed.

Captain Tom, thank you for the email communications and we are sadenned to learn that you will be unable to join us at Lake Louise. Perhaps another time, with a bit more notice from us, we will be able to form up.

And now for my contribution to this fine establishment, perhaps my last for 2005:

Here’s a little something from assorted sources from the internet regarding a class of steam locomotive operating in India many decades past.

BESA Class 4-6-0

Tractive effort: 22.590lb (10,250kg).

Axle load: 39,599lb (18t).

Cylinders: (2) 20 ½ x 26 in (521 x 660mm).

Heating surface: 1,467 sq ft (137m2).

Superheater: 352sq ft (32.7m2).

Steam pressure: 180lb sq in (12.7kg/cm2)

Grate area: 32sq ft (3.0m2).

Fuel: 16,800lb (7 ½ t).

Water: 4,000gal (4,800 US) (18m3).

Adhesive weight: 118,000lb (54t).

Total weight: 273,000lb (124t).

Length overall: 62ft 3 ¼ in (18,980mm).

QUOTE: More Briti***han anything that ran in Britain, this archetypal Mail Engine gave over 75 years of service and is still actively in use. This is the British Engineering Standards Association “Heavy Passenger” 4-6-0, introduced in 1905, of which a number (but not one of the originals) are still in passenger service in India at the time of writing (1987).

The railways of India were developed mainly by private enterprise under a concession system whereby the then British Government of India guaranteed a modest return on investment in return for a measure of control, as well as eventual ownership. The government felt that one of their perquisites was to set standards and, having made rather a mess of the gauge question, made up for it with an excellent job of wetting out a range of standards designs for locomotives.

The first BESA 4-6-0s were solid hunks of sound engineering, bigger when introduced than almost anything that ran in the same country. Their closest relations at home seem to have been some 4-6-0s built in 19-3 for the Glasgow & South Western Railway by the North British Locomotive Co. of Glasgow. NGL were to supply the first standard 4-6-0s to India.

The BESA 4-6-0s stayed in top-line work even after their successors the India Railway Standard (IRS), XA and XB 4-6-2s had arrived in the mid-1920s, because of unsatisfactory qualities amongst the new arrivals. The great success of the BESA designs seems to lie in the fact that they were taken from British practice as it existed, with the difference that both average and maximum speeds in India were 25 per cent lower than at home while loads were about the same.

(from a web site that did not identify its source, therefore I shall not credit further.)

And with appreciation to Captain Tom for prior arrangements in loading my pictures from email to his photo site, here are a couple you may find of interest:





The HPS was a typical BESA design locomotive, and prior to the advent of the bullet nosed WP, was the standard and most popular express power on the Indian Railways. Several were hard at work well into the late 1980s, especially on the NR and SR. Express passenger locomotives were loosely referred to as 'mail engines' in India, and the handsome HPS class of locomotives was the standard mail engine till the WPs came in. The engines had a maximum speed of 90 kmph, in keeping with their sleek express engine profile. The HPS/2 was in fact a derivative from an earlier HP class of locomotive. Other variants of the HP were the HPS and HPS/1. All (except the HP class) were provided with superheating. (from: http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/nrm/outdoor3.htm)


With best wishes to one and all for a MERRY CHRISTMAS and Joyous New Year!

BK

A Post Script: A nice Christmas gift for our Proprietor would be for those of you who are the regulars here, to pay a call over at Tom's other thread. Simply stop in - say a little something and let those who browse his pages know that he does indeed have a following. My guess is that there are many chortling over the inactivity there, the so called STARS of the Forums. [tdn] to them. Bah Hum Bug!

[siberianmo]

G'day one and all!

The return of BK, again shortly after mentioning him - he's baaaaaaaack! [swg] Happens so often with our regulars who leave us for extended periods. Glad to see you twice in one day! [tup][tup]

Emails received and responses a bit tardy, but they're gone! Yes, perhaps another time .... airlline schedules, fares, et al, really have put a damper on our Canada travels since May. And here we thought those fares were high! [wow]

Al Thanx for the info on the Hi-Levels and Superliners. I really knew some of it - just wanted to gin up a bit of conversation for those who don't ask. [swg] Didn't know about the cars still in service, however, and I'd expect as much from the Budd Company. [tup]

Don Nice continuing effort. There was a great poster some years back of Fs in all different liveries with different heralds. Perhaps it is still available, but it is one of those Classics just made for the wall of a trainroom in a matted and framed version. Are you listening, Santa [?]

BK Good stuff on the BESA locomotives and of course the Pix too! No sweat with the upload/download - anytime, Mate! Just ask.

"Our" Place is looking for a couple of good men! Tomorrow afternoon, from about 2 PM CDT until about 8 PM, I'm going to be away from the keyboard and monitor. [yeah] Another dose of Christmas spirit with my bride! Anyway, if those of you who Post, would plan to do so in the AFTERNOON, it surely would help us stay "on top." That's it - just Post in the AFTERNOON. Cindy will be here to watch the store, so to speak!

Okay, Gents, catch y'all a bit later on!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[BudKarr]

Captain Tom and Gentlemen at the bar,

I have returned only to make a couple of corrections to my previous offereings for this fine day. Still have a strong signal and began reading over what I put forth along with some current postings. Caught a couple of mistakes on my part and am compulsive to the point where those just have to be taken care of. <grin>

I find it simply amazing that so many of the rail carriages still in service in the U.S. and Canada have their origins back to the 50s. One would think - but then again, that seaplane that lost a wing near Miami was also a rather vintage craft. Makes one pause.

Believe it or not, I did not know the difference in locomotive nomenclature prior to roosting at this bar. Now I am somewhat conversant. This is quite a respite from the outside world and a good place for one to think and do other things.

Captain Tom, if I am able and the signal holds out, I will surely try to help tomorrow afternoon. We are somewhat at the mercy of a balky satellite system, not necessarily what one would consider state of the art.

A reminder, the spiked Egg Nog and holiday fruit cake is my treat for the remainder of this day and throughout tomorrow. <grin> Just ask that cloven footed fellow over there, to fetch your pleasure.

Your email replies have been received, and judging by the dates, I would say we also are having a bit of server problems with that end of the technology as well.

A pleasant afternoon and evening to one and all.

BK

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #49

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Union Pacific (UP) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . .”Wonder World” . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . OF SOUTHERN UTAH * ARIZONA . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . BRYCE CANYON . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NATIONAL PARK . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

To visit Bryce is like entering a strange, new world. The rainbow-hued, fantastic stone shapes are mysterious, enchanting.

See Bryce, together with Utah’s Zion and Arizona’s Grand Canyon National Parks, on one memorable motor bus tour. Make this area your vacation destination or stop over en route to or from Los Angeles.

Union Pacific will take you to Cedar City, Utah – gateway to the Parks – in air conditioned comfort.

UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Road of the Streamliners . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

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[red p]

Hey Tom, Ill have a bud please.
Just got out of a 6 hour safty workshop.
congrats barndad Doug on the contest [:D]

Don thanks for the f unit info [^]
I should get out in the morning and im hoping to be back by picture day. Thanks for the beer ,gotta run though.
P