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[siberianmo]

G’day Gents!

Ever wonder about those fine pix that have been Posted during past Sunday Photo Posting Days! [?] The guys who took the time and made the effort to provide one and all with some enjoyable pix deserve to have their work preserved. So, here’s something you may want to “bookmark” for future use:

INDEX: 2005 Sunday Photo Posting Days!

Begins on: . . . . . click on the URL

Page 112, 18 Sep 2005 First Photo Posting Sunday!
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Page 118, 25 Sep 2005
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Page 124, 02 Oct 2005
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Page 132, 09 Oct 2005
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Page 138, 16 Oct 2005
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Page 150, 30 Oct 2005
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My early Christmas gift to YOU![;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Part I of II: Here are 9 Pix of the signs in the Can-Am trainroom!

click to enlarge

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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Here are 4 pix from Don for this fine day: sorry, detailed descriptions are unavailable at this time)

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(1) At Sarnia, Ontario, Canada


(2) At Sarnia, Ontario, Canada


(3)


(4)



Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Part I of II: Here are 6 Pix of the wild animals of the Can-Am!

click to enlarge

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(2)


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(5)


(6)



Enjoy!


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Part II of II Here are 6 more pix from Pete while in Kansas City and Jefferson City on Wednesday, May 12th (sorry, but detailed descriptions are unavailable at this time)

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(1) The Jones Train at KCity Union Station


(2) The Jones Train at KCity Union Station


(3) The Jones Train at KCity Union Station


(4) Eastbound Union Pacific at Jefferson City, MO (earlier in the day)


(5) Eastbound Union Pacific (rear) at Jefferson City, MO (earlier in the day)


(6) Eastbound Amtrak at Jefferson City (earlier in the day)



To view Pete’s album on my photo site, click on:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b222/siberianmo/RR%20pix%20from%20Pete/


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Part II of II: Here are 9 more Pix of the signs in the Can-Am trainroom!

click to enlarge

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(2)


(3)


(4)


(5)


(6)


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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[Anonymous]

Hi guys! Just thought I'd share a few more pix!

From Rail Classics magazine July 1982

Toledo, Peoria & Western borrowed a Sante Fe Jordon spreader to clear their tracks February 1981. Photographer Roger A. Holmes caught them about four miles east os Westin, Illinois.


Until 1882 when a bridge was completed trains crossed the Missouri River between Bismarck and Mandan, North Dakota in the winter on track laid on ice. Ferry boat was used in summer. W.Kirk collection.


Flanger/snowplow waits in the heat of August for the snow to come in the cold prairie winter. Two unusual warnings are stenciled on the sides of the car.

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

This is the FINAL Photo Posting Day of 2005 – next up is January 8th, 2006!

Part II of II: Here are 6 more Pix of the wild animals of the Can-Am!

click to enlarge

(1)


(2)


(3)


(4)


(5)


(6)


That's it for me this fine day - see ya in the mornin' ..... Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening guys I haven't been in for a couple of days, totally wiped out at the moment I'm afraid. the pictures I've seen so far are the usual top notch caliber. Here's my contributions for this last posting day of the year.



Our Museum's open car 327 in Toronto, corner of Queen & Bay



PCC 4600 in front of rockwood station at the museum



PCC 4611 arriving at the museum,one of three 4600's delivered in 1996. These were the last series of PCC's ordered new by the TTC. We aquired three of them 4600,4611,4618



4618 in front of Barn #3 the Butler building.


Ex Cleveland PCC as TTC 4633,stored near barn 1 of the museum

Enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

Another batch of pictures. I see Don posted a couple nice shots of the CNR tank loco 48.Also a couple neat shots of "Tilly" the Wabash shop switcher,now at the Elgin County Museum.



A shot of "tilly" I took in 1997



Pennsy 2-10-0 in Blaisdell NY


another shot of the "hippo"



shot number 3 of the "hippo"



Lackawanna caboose at Blaisdell NY



Nickle Plate Caboose at Blaisdell NY

Enjoy Rob

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and friends. I'd like my usual three light breakfasts please. Gotta stoke the fires! Great work on your Pix from yesterday. I highly recommend to all to enlarge each of Tom's pix in order to really see all that's there. What a great collection of signs and layout detail you've got there! Great work posting pix from Don and Pete too!

I always enjoy your pix, Rob ... keep 'em coming!

As a suppliment to the caboose pix I sent yesterday, here's some caboose info:

Caboose History -- Rail Classics Magazine Sept.1988

“Caboose,” a strange word for a strange railroad car that somehow survived more that a hundred years from the days of oil-burning lamps to the computer age. Origins of the car and the word are surrounded by as much legend as fact. One popular version dates the word back to the description of a ship’s galley derived from the Dutch word “kabuis.”

The use of cabooses started in the 1830s when railroads housed trainmen in boxcars or flatcars with shanties built on them. (new photo from IRM)


The addition of the cupola – a lookout post atop the car – is attributed to a conductor who discovered in 1863 that he could see his train much better if he sat atop boxes and watched through the hole in the roof of his boxcar. Cabooses served several functions. It was an office for the conductor. A “waybill” followed every car from origin to destination. The conductor kept the paperwork in the caboose.

The car also carried a brakeman and a flagman. In the days when trains did not have automatic air brakes, the engineer signaled the caboose with his whistle when he wanted to slow down or stop. The brakeman would climb out of the caboose and make his was forward on top of the cars, twisting the brake-wheels by using a stout club. A brakeman riding the engine would work his way toward the rear.

Once the train was stopped, the flagman would get off the caboose and walk back a safe distance with lanterns, flags and other warning devices to stop any approaching trains. Underway, the trainmen would sit up in the cupola and watch from smoke from overheated wheel journals, called hot-boxes, or other signs of trouble.

It was common for railroads to assign a caboose to a conductor for his exclusive use. Conductors took great pride in their cars – despite derogatory nick-names, including “crummy, doghouse, bone-breaker, snake wagon and hearse.” Conductors would decorate the interior of their cars with many touches of home, including curtains, family photos and, most importantly, ingredients for cooking meals that became a part of American folklore.

The car served as a “home away from home” for crewmen who slept in the car on trips away from their home terminals. Cabooses became a uniquely American tradition. Overseas, their use was rare or eliminated many years ago. Even in the United States, technological change began eliminating the need for cabooses before the turn of the century. The spread in the 1880s of the automatic air brake system invented by George Westinghouse eliminated the need for brakemen to manually set brakes. Air brakes were soon followed by the use of electric track circuits to activate signals, providing protection for trains and eliminating the need for flagmen.

Trains became longer, making it difficult for the conductor to see his train from the caboose. Freight cars became so high they blocked the view from the traditional cupola. Friction bearings were replaced by roller bearings, reducing the overheated journal and making visual detection by smoke unlikely. The heavy fast trains made on-board cooking hazardous and unnecessary. Cabooses were put into “pools| and not assigned to individual conductors. New labor agreements reduced hours of service and eliminated the need for cabooses for sleeping quarters as a result of lodging provided by the company.

Electronic “hotbox” and dragging equipment detectors were installed along main lines, which could check moving trains more efficiently and reliably than men in cabooses. Computers eliminated the conductor’s paperwork. Cabooses became expensive anachronisms.

The first major railroad in the United States to eliminate cabooses was the Florida East Coast Railway. Because of the technological advances and sweeping local labor changes, FEC dropped the cars in 1972. By the fall of 1982 the nation’s other major railroads and the United Transportation Union, which represents the trainmen who ride in cabooses, reached agreement on guidelines to begin eliminating the cars.

Studies by the Interstate Commerce Commission and a Presidential Emergency Board, which was appointed to settle the labor situation, concluded cabooses could be safely eliminated. The board estimated U.S. railroads would save approximately $400 million if cabooses were eliminated.

Union Pacific purchased its last cabooses in 1979 for $63,500 apiece. UP System has a fleet of about 1,500 cabooses. There are nearly 11,000 cabooses in service on all U.S. railroads. Cabooses today cost approximately $80,000. Other railroads which have begun eliminating cabooses include Conrail, Baltimore & Ohio, Norfolk Southern, Illinois Central Gulf, Seaboard System and Santa Fe.

[:I] keep in mind that this article was written almost 20 years ago! [:I]

[wanswheel]

Good morning Tom and everyone. A <light> break fast, some Great pix up there

Story and video clip of Arlo on The City of New Orleans avail at ABC website
.http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1416506 (slow load, sort of worth it)

Quote from Dec. 17 Washington Post:
"Trains run in the Guthrie family's blood; famous troubadour Woody Guthrie crisscrossed the country on freight trains visiting starving farmers and labor strikers, and many of his son Arlo's songs also pay homage to trains. In 1987, Arlo Guthrie traveled and sang on the Montrealer train in an unsuccessful attempt to persuade Amtrak not to discontinue that line.
"My dad's autobiography starts out on a freight train," said Guthrie, 58, who has spent most of this year touring. "Trains were built by robber barons, the wealthiest guys, and used by the unwealthiest, people who didn't have any other way to go. You can't hitch a ride on an airline, you can't even stick your thumb out on a highway anymore because it's illegal." "

[Anonymous]

Well, a happy new week to the early crowd. Yes Tom, Sunday Photo Posting Day was a resounding success due in no small part to your own efforts.[tup] In fact, let me toast a tall glass of Grapefruit Juice to everyone's efforts yesterday, hear, hear. Pete, thanks for going to the trouble of capturing the "Jones Store" (now Macey's) Kiddy's Train images. To think I rode in those little articulated coach seats as a Tot sixty years ago, caused a "lump in my throat."[^] Not just he Train, of course, but also the close family unity of a caring Mom, and Dad plus a "Brother/Sister bond" that still holds firm until the present. I guess there is a little Romantic in each of us, especially around the Holidays, thanks again.[bow] Rob, Barndad Doug, Mike, Rob, Don, and those alraedy mentioned, we salute you.[bow]

Probably people will be tied-up with committments to guests and family as we draw nearer to Christmas Day. That is to be expected. There was a time when travel was a must for my holidays and usually it was by rail. During the 1960s, there were many Service men and women taking trains and the major stations had U.S.O. (United Service Organizations) areas for us to have coffee, donuts, a sandwich, etc. That is when the individual begins to realize that he or she is part of something far greater than the "sum of its parts." The idea that there is a momentum guiding a Nation (not to be denied by cynical malcontents) prevails through all adversities. This is something any one who has served can never forget. Yes, I'm "waving the Flag" a bit for the sons, daughters, sisters, brothers or parents answering the "call to duty" in a world gone mad. Isn't it good to know, they are there for us?[soapbox]

Okay Boris, you are defintely included in the "staff party" plans as one of Santa's Elves.[:O] There was some debate that you should be one of the Reindeer by the by.[:-^] So, it is off with me to choose a Christmas Goose by M. Rifkowitz's deli, toys gum and Yo Yos Ltd. Then, I'll be researching [C=:-)] Nick's Archives for a proper recipe in the wine cellar.[:D] If I'm not back in 2 days, please send Leon down with a broom and a dust pan. Happy tails everyone.

[siberianmo]

MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

Monday once again, however, my guess is quite a few are off or on reduced work schedules. [yeah] A good way to begin this countdown to Christmas is to spend a bit of time with us by ordering a <light> breakfast from the menu board – have a cup of freshly brewed coffee and try some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery! [tup]

Did you know that we haven’t heard from Trainnut484 Russell since Dec 4th - and - West Coast S Dave since Dec 6th [?] Sure is hard to be called a “regular” at that pace. [%-)][%-)]

THANX to barndad Doug - wanswheel Mike & trolleyboy Rob for taking the time to Post Pix and URLs for our Sunday Photo Posting Day! [tup][tup][tup] Which, by the way, is the final one for 2005. Next up is Sunday, January 8th. Also THANX to pwolfe Pete – jdonald don & earlydiesels Dan for the Email contributions! [tup][tup][tup]


Daily Wisdom:

Do not desire what you can’t acquire.


Info for the Day:

(1) CONTEST:
What date (time optional) will ”Our” Place reach the next plateau – page 200 [?] BONUS question: WHO will be the one to “turn the page” [?]

Participants . . . . . . Date chosen . . . . (Bonus) Who will put us over the top [?]
(in order of participation)
pwolfe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dec 20th . . . . . . . . . .siberianmo Tom
trolleyboy Rob . . . . . . . . . Dec 18th (12:05 PM) . siberianmo Tom
coalminer3 CM3 . . . . . . . .Dec 18th. . . . . . . . . . siberianmo Tom
barndad Doug . . . . . . . . . Dec 22nd . . . . . . . . . none
nickinwestwales Nick . . . .Dec 27th . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
ftwNSengineer P . . . . . . . Dec 23rd . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
jlampke John . . . . . . . . . Dec 24th (noon) . . . . . siberianmo Tom

CONTEST CLOSED!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 05:24:37 (195) Pix spread

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 06:40:55 (195) Sunday Info & Summary

(3) barndad Doug Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 07:20:45 (195) Pix spread

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 08:09:37 (195) Pete’s pix - Part I of II

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 09:07:41 (195) Dan’s pix

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 10:08:41 (195) INDEX: 2005 Sunday Photo Posting Days!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 10:17:31 (196) Pix of Can-Am trainroom signs – Part I of II

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 11:44:24 (196) Don’s pix

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 12:01:05 (196) Wild Animals of the Can-Am – Part I of II

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 13:46:40 (196) Pete’s pix – Part II of II

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 14:47:40 (196) Pix of Can-Am trainroom signs – Part II of II

(12) wanswheel Mike Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 15:11:09 (196) URLs

(13) barndad Doug Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 15:53:02 (196) more Pix!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 16:42:05 (196) Wild Animals of the Can-Am – Part II of II

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 18:11:49 (196) Pix spread

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 18 Dec 2005, 18:34:40 (196) Pix spread

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[jdonald]

Mornin Tom & all: a coffee black and toasted bagel from the bakery if you please.
What a great finale to the Sunday photo posts for 2005. Rob Guess we were on the same track with "Tilly". Enjoyed seeing the Red Rockets again too! Tom Your train room makes me envious, obviously a labour of love.

Last Friday's furnace problem was cured with a little TLC and some WD40. I did find part of a cowboy and some distinkly armadillo droppings tho[:0]Anybody know anything about that[?]That should be cowboy boot[:I][:I]

Explanations for my pics-#1 shows CN#48 on the ready track at the Sarnia roundhouse after being turned and serviced, ready to go back to London in the evening. #2 Shows #48 arriving in Sarnia with train 621 the local from London.
#3&4 are Then & Now pics of Wabash #51 now known as Tilly. The colour shot is at the Elgin County Railway Museum in the summer of 2004. The b&w is at a roundhouse in St. Thomas-not sure who owned the property but there were locos from Wabash, C&O and CPR there.

Gotta run-probably back in th P.M.

Keep it on the rails

Don

[siberianmo]

All of our regulars know about the Birthday Watch List .... however, it needs to be posted repeatedly, just as a reminder regarding who is coming up next for the Birthday Bash ......

2005 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST (rev. Sep 16th):

February 2nd (Kevin – 49)
March 5th (Nick – 45)
April 18 (Al - 63)
May 18th (Tom - 67)
May 27th (Dave - 46)
June 24th (Dan - 43)
July 15th (*** – 65)
July 25th (Chris - 51)
July 30th (Russell – 34)
August 16th (Ted - 67)
September 8th (Rob - 34)
December 29th (CM3) – 59 Next up! Awaiting date & time from CM3!

Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year).
Corrections too!

Names of those in The Legion of the Lost will be dropped in 2006.

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All assembled: Coffee, please; round for the house; and $ for the jukebox. This a.m. let's play "Deck Us All With Boston Charlie." That oughta wake up a few of the "old heads" who remember the old Pogo strips from years past.

A nice mix of posts and pictures from all points today. I was interested in seeing the pictures of the PRR I1 and the DL&W caboose and NKP cab in Hamburg, NY. The items in question reside behind the old Erie depot in Hamburg along with a fair amount of passenger cars, etc - some the worse for wear. There used to be a better than average hobby shop in the depot, but the owner retired a few yrs. back. The track through there is still active and if you hit it right you can see various kinds of ALCO power in all it's smoking, snorting glory.

My, My they have done a fine job with the Kansas City Union Station. I am glad they got to it in time.

Interesting posts on telegraph. IIRC, there is a book out there titled the Victorian Internet. There is also another one abt. female telegraph operators titled My Sisters Telegraphic (No Boris, NOT telepathic or telegenic). Telepgraphers were, of course, the first to know what was happening, especially in small towns.

A few yrs. back I was visiting a friend who was a dispatcher for the C&O. They used 19's and other train orders on many of the coal branches around here and it was always interesting to watch him wheel and deal to make sure that various trains got to and from where they were supposed to go without jackpoting somewhere. They also used radio within yard limits which added another dimension to activity (all of this, including the yard office and what they called the mallet house is gone now). As did all of these old heads, he took his job seriously and rarely, if ever, smiled about anything.

Anyway, he had hired on in about 1943 and worked on the main line between Hinton and Alleghany; a busy and rugged stretch of railroad. We got talking about communications and train orders and I asked him if he had used telegraph for dispatching and he said, "Oh, hell, yes." Then he reached into a desk drawer and unearthed a key. He took a couple of puffs on his pipe and said very quietly, "This is my key," and proceeded to give a demonstration of how it used to be done. All I can say is he was fast. He said when he finished, "Not bad for something I haven't used in years." Then he put the key away and closed the drawer. It was one of the few times I ever saw him smile. It was like a trip into a time machine and something I am glad I got to see and hear about.

One more story regarding this esteemed gentleman. There was and always has been a rivalry between road crew and dispatchers. One time, a crew came off a coal train from Quinnimont. They wree done for the day and getting ready to quit, and one of the brakemen decided to harass the dispatcher. He looked at the dispatcher and said to him, "A monkey could dispatch trains."

Long silence followed; my friend relit his pipe and looked over his wire rims at the brakeman and, without cracking a smile said, "There's one thing you're forgetting - you have to be smarter than the monkey."

work safe

[red p]

Morning Tom, nothing for me thanks, I stopped off at the mcdonalds drive thru on my way over.
The pictures look great,speaking of which as I was coming home this morning I saw Penn Central covered hopper that was unpainted. I wish I could have gotten a picture of it.

Wanswheel
interesting comment about Arlo. My grandfather worked for the NKP back in the days of steam and was coupled up on the job one day (a horrible way to go). His name was George Guthrie he had a brother Jack Guthrie that also worked for the railroad. Jack was able to finish out his full career.
P

[siberianmo]

Mornin’ Gents!

On this date in 1956, Seaman Apprentice – yours truly – “graduated” from 13 weeks of USCG boot camp in Cape May, NJ. It was a bright, sunny and very cold day when “Charlie Company” marched to the parade grounds, stood at parade rest, and listened to the “welcome to the Coast Guard” speeches on that day 49 years ago. Recruit training has been trimmed down over the years, but I recall that those 13 weeks were nothing to “write home about.” The meek surely were NOT intended to inherit the USCG! [swg]

To the acknowledgments:

barndad Doug
Posted: 19 Dec 2005, 05:24:51

When it comes to freight trains, I just love the caboose. Hated to see ‘em go, no matter what the rationale. To this day the end of a freight train just doesn’t look right to me without one. Your article regarding the history of the caboose really fits in quite well with our theme and I appreciate it – thanx! [tup][tup][tup] You really Posted some fine stuff yesterday and you’ll have to go some to top those. Well, you’ve got until January 8th to do it! [swg] By the way, that wasn’t my hand – but nice try! [swg]

wanswheel Mike
Posted: 19 Dec 2005, 06:22:03

Your info on Arlo Guthrie kinda makes me want to reconsider my “attitude” about the man. Nice work – appreciate the URL also. [tup] Your efforts with the URLs on Sunday also added to the success of the our Final Sunday Photo Posting Day! for 2005. [tup][tup]

Theodorebear
Posted: 19 Dec 2005, 07:00:30

When Pete and I arranged this last trip of ours to KCity, the motiviation was to get those pix for YOU of the Jones Train. You can thank Pete for the extra effort, for the train was only supposed to discharge passengers, go through the wye for turnaround, pick up eastbound passengers and depart post haste. Pete got off the train knowing that we had a rather short fuse – less than 15 minutes, if that. As I’ve indicated previously, I remained aboard. So those pix that he took were all rushed, but he did the job, didn’t he [?] [tup][tup][tup] for Pete!

I will leave any staff Christmas Party up to you, Rob & Nick for planning and carrying out. [swg] As boss, I get to pay for it – what a benefit!

jdonald Don
Posted: 19 Dec 2005, 08:35:04

Glad you got those descriptions Posted and we appreciate your pix for our Sunday Photo Posting Day! “Part of a cowboy …..” really [?] Hmmmmm, Tex the Armadillo may bite, but he’s not into meat eating. Are you certain about those droppings – and how would you know [?] [swg] The entire boot [?] Well, now that is of concern – or should be. To be continued ….

coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 19 Dec 2005, 10:09:05

Ole Herr Wurlitzer der Juke has been spittin’ out the tunes and is in dire need of “feeding,” so your quarters came just in time. Somehow, some way those quarters in the pickled pig’s feet jar (which by the by was supposed to be given an appropriate name in honor of the man who keeps it filled! – but [yeah] who reads[?]) keep dwindlin’ down to a precious few.

I wasn’t a great Pogo reader and in fact, was probably spending lots of time at sea or when ashore, standing 12 hour watches in a Rescue Coordination Center and sleeping during my off time. So, reading newspapers was restricted to headlines and sports. Don’t recall that tune at all.

As an old key pounder from way back, my “code” was the international Morse code of dots and dashes, whereas the railroad version was more clicks and clacks, not the same. Nonetheless, I enjoyed the information – enlightening, educational and always entertaining. [tup][tup]

December 29th is approaching. No alternative date and time means we celebrate your Birthday without you. C’mon, this can’t be that difficult …….[swg]

ftwNSengineer P
Posted: 19 Dec 2005, 12:00:49

Other than to say nice to see ya again, if you ain’t buyin’ we can’t stay open! We could arrange for you to send an allotment to our bank account at the Second National Bank of Mentor Village if you prefer. [swg] By the by, isn’t that a bit rude to tell us that you stopped at Mac Grease rather than enjoy our bill of fare [?] Hmmmmm, I beginning to wonder if you are one of us or one of them …..

Glad you liked the pix from yesterday – lots of effort goes into ensuring that our guys get some enjoyment in a different format than the other 6 days of the week.


Later, Gents!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[red p]

Tom hey i was one a train for 12 hours, I was hungry! Couldnt wait any longer.
P

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #46

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Canadian Pacific (CP) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Enjoy a world of service . . . go
Canadian Pacific

Miles and miles of solid
comfort . . . that’s the vast Canadian
Pacific Railway network. East or
West across Canada . . . enjoy
every service on smooth rolling Canadian
Pacific trains! Stop over at luxurious
Canadian Pacific hotels like the
Chateau Lake Louise in the Canadian
Rockies.

. . . . . Superb service! Such comfort . . .
. . . . . aboard sleek Canadian Pacific
. . . . . Princess ships, sailing the Inside
. . . . . Passage to Alaska and the Yukon.
. . . . . Canadian Pacific White Empress
. . . . . ships will sail you to Europe. Soon,
. . . . . Canadian Pacific will fly you to
. . . . . Hawaii, Fiji, New Zealand,
. . . . . Australia, and latger – the Orient!

There’s no place like Eastern
Canada for vacation fun! And you
can’t beat hospitable Canadian
Pacific hotels like Digby Pines in
Nova Scotia for gracious service!
Or visit The Algonquin in New
Brunswick. (These are two of
Nineteen Canadian Pacific hotels
And lodges across Canada!)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Canadian Pacific . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

SPANS THE WORLD – Railways – Steamships – Air Lines – Hotels – Communications – Express


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

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[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house. Getting ready for tax season so am able to spend less time visiting the forum. Tax season means seven days a week beginning in January and not letting up until April.
Enjoyed the critter photos yesterday and all of the others as well. Wish I had photos to contribute.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER # 30

CITY OF PORTLAND UP-C&NW trains 105-106 June 6, 1935 Chicago - Portland 5-round trips monthly 39 hours 45 minutes each way 2,272 miles each way.

Consist as built but not as entered scheduled service.

M-10001 Articulated Turret Cab 900 HP Diesel Passenger Power Unit
12200 Articulated Auxiliary Power 30' Railway Post Office Baggage Car
E.H. HARRIMAN Articulated 10-Section 1-Compartment 1-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
ABRAHAM LINCOLN Articulated 10-Section 1-Compartment 1-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
OREGON TRAIL Articulated 8-Section 1-Compartment 1-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
10402 Articulated 54-Revenue Seat Coach Buffet Blind End Observation

The above was the way the as built consist was displayed at the Chicago Century of Progress Fair.

First of the famous long distance CITY Streamliners to enter scheduled service the CITY OF PORTLAND as built was a six car articulatted streamliner. It was the first streaml;ined train to provide overnight sleeping accommodations for passengers as well as coach seating.
Before entering schedulked service the train became a seven car articulated streamliner with car modifications and the power unit was stretched in length and a 1,200 hp diesel was installed.

CONSISTR that entered scheduled service

M-10001 Articulated Turret Cab 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit
12200 Articulated Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Car
10300 Articulated 30-Seat Dining 10-Seat Lounge Car
OVERLAND TRAIL Articulated 8-Section 1-Compartment 1-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
ABRAHAM LINCOLN Articulated 10-Section 1-Compartment 1-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
OREGON TRAIL Articulated 8-Section 1-Compartment 1-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
10402 Articulated 54-Revenue Seat Coach Buffet Blind End Observation

The above CITY OF PORTLAND operated a weekly round trip beginning June 6, 1935 until July 26, 1935. It was then extensively remodeled to correct its shortcomings and reentered service February 26, 1936 and operated until March 27, 1939 when it was replaced by a newer streamlined CITY OF PORTLAND train set.
The train was then stored at Omaha with some parts including the engine removed for further use and the remains of the first CITY OF PORTLAND was scrapped in Omaha in April 1941.

TTFN AL

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and friends! I'll take a bottomless draught, and kindly set-up a round for the house. Need some quarters? You can have ALL my Michigan quarters ...each and every one! Nice nostalgia add from your favorite rail line. Gotta love that beaver logo!

Nice post CM3 .. I really like the real story posts.

Well, let's see...if we're to get this place to page 200 by the 20th ....hmmm ...guess it's not gonna happen. Even with Al putting up another streamliner post (which was fine as usual) so I'll just submit another series to entertain. Here's part I:

Steam Delights of India – photos and article by Ron Johnson – Rail Classics 1/82

Himalayan train threads through mountain village town near Darjeeling


As the 1980s dawn it has been discouraging to the steam enthusiast to see one by one the great steam bastions fall, retreating to isolated pockets. It remains a comforting fact that there is still a huge steam fleet plying the rails in the Republic of India. Over 7,500 steam machines serve this rich and diverse land with 1,700 diesels and 800 electrics only gradually making their presence felt. With English being the main unifying language coupled with convenient connecting air line flights and ease of travel by rail it makes sense for the American steam buff to hot foot it over to this subcontinent.

Although standardization is making itself felt in the desire to have a modern, efficient steam roster, there is an incredible variety of motive power operating on the three basic gauges of broad (5 feet, 6 inches), meter (3 feet, 3.37 inches), and narrow (2 fett, 6 inches and 2 feet). Blessed with ample coal reserves, India has chosen a wise policy of burning the indigenous fuel in home-built steamers while gradually developing diesel and electric power.

The Indian Railways are now 127 years old. The first passenger train in India and also Asia puffed out of Bombay in 1853 over a 21-mile route to Thana with 14 cars and 400 passengers. Today the system has grown to a route mileage of over 37,000 miles, the world’s largest nationalized rail endeavor. With over 1.3 million persons employed on the Indian Railway, this works out to one in every 20 people earning their livelihood in the railroad business. For this reason, the railfan will find the local newspapers filled with rail news. Upon reading his first Indian newspaper, the author found a front page story with a photo of one of the fine streamlined Pacifics, which had derailed over a banking. It was shown being hauled back onto the rails with a huge steam crane. Staying with steam has helped to employ a vast unskilled work force in the myriad of jobs required in keeping the steam fleet active.

Coal is often loaded by hand, making good use of the vast labor market.


The Indian Railways operate approximately 12,000 trains on a daily basis, carrying about nine million passengers and ¾ of a million tons of freight. Over 50% of train haulage is steam traction in the passenger category with 29% of freight traffic in the hands of steam. It is Asia’s largest railway system and the world’s second largest under one management. (Russia boasts the largest system under government ownership).

Railways came to India with British influence and private investors providing a generous helping hand. Started in the 1840s, Indian Railways got on its feet before the political control of the Crown in 1858. It was at this time that the administration of railway development was overseen by the East India Company. Perhaps the most influential person to direct this orderly rail network was Lord Dalhousie, who as acting Governor-General was instrumental in drawing up track plans for main arteries, which still make vital links in today’s network. He recommended a system of trunk lines connecting the various large cities of Bombay, Bengal and Madras, and then fanning out into the suburbs, joining each other and serving their seaports. After much heated discussion, broad gauge was found to be suitable, partly because it would offer stability in the face of India’s noted high winds. It was soon found out that building broad gauge lines was very expensive so a new policy was begun featuring a network or meter gauge lines which would connect the broad gauge main trunks which served the major cities. Traffic in some cases was just as heavy as broad. These eventually were primarily situated in the southern, western, and northern portions of India. Narrow gauge systems were concentrated in the exceptionally rural areas in the central part of India, although narrow gauge lines are scattered to a certain extent all over the subcontinent connecting with meter and broad gauge lines.

The Government of India encouraged outside investment in railways because it had neither the resources or expertise to accompli***he task on its own. Private companies were allowed to build on free land with a guaranteed return of fie percent on their investments for the next 25 years. It was agreed that these private companies would share the surplus profits with the Government on a half-yearly basis after the guaranteed interest had been met. After the 25 years were up, the railways would be sold back to the government. Unfortunately the cost of construction was so high that profits were almost nil along with the guaranteed interest being so high that the Government was put in an unfavorable condition. This forced the Government to buy the lines long before the 25 years were up.

By 1880 all the major cities were linked by rail. As 1920 began, the Government found itself owning 73 percent of all the railways. A continuing bone of contention was the fact the management of the lines continues to be in the hands of private companies retaining territorial names with the board of directors located in London. By 1924 the Government took over the management of the companies as well, with railway finance separate from general finance. With the managerial house in order, the railways began to flourish. New lines were built and a tremendous amount of money was poured into renewal and upgrading of rolling stock and roadbed.

In the days of British rule there were two basic standard designs of steam locomotives. One which was prevalent in the first part of this century before WWI was the British Engineering Standards Association (BESA). Graceful 4-4-0s handled the fst goods and passenger services along with 0-6-0s and 2-8-0s for general traffic and 2-6-4Ts and 2-8-2ts for suburban passenger service. The 4-4-0 design has entirely disappeared from India and most of the world, but still may be found in some numbers handling regular passenger duties in Pakistan. Today many of the other earlier classes have been withdrawn from service. After WWI and WWII, locomotives were required to burn coal of inferior quality, requiring larger fireboxes and therefore a new set of designs were inaugurated according to Indian Railway Standards. These included 4-6-0s and entirely new wheel arrangements of 4-6-2s and 2-8-2s. Non-standard Garret types lasted into recent times on the Bengal-Nagpur Railway on the Assam hill section, but were never very popular.

[:I] humbly submitted [:I]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Guys,

Appreciate the return to the Posting of something other than acknowledging one another - thanx passengerfan Al & barndad Doug! [tup][tup] Seems that sometimes we get into that kind of rut, and I suppose my Posts fall into the "vanilla" type communications. Have to keep in mind that we are all about Classic Trains in an adult setting called a bar 'n grill. Pretty simple concept.

Let's see, Al You're a tax guy and a real estate guy. So how does that work [?] Sell 'em property - wait 'itil they get taxed out of it - then sell it again [?] Sorry! [swg]

Doug 200 by the 20th [?] You picked the 22nd ... still have a shot!

Back in May while traveling on my solo rail round trip from Halifax to Ottawa, I met a couple of people who used to live and work in India - Missionaries. They talked quite a bit about their train travels all over the subcontinent and how "different" it was (and is) compared to what we are accustomed to in the U.S. and Canada. As they talked, I could envision people hanging on the sides of coaches, the loco's and anything else with a handle or protrusion to grasp. Also, people lighting portable cooking units INSIDE the cars to cook chickens and whatever else they brought aboard. [yeah] The word "different" comes to mind.

Al wasn't the UP City of Portland called the "yellow banana" by some [?} Thought I picked that up in my readings along the line .... Wish we could get some Pix to go along with your Streamliner series. They are surely available, just a matter of searching and Posting the URLs. Would really round out the work you've provided one and all. [tup]

Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening fellow tipplers,[4:-)]TOM-a large rum with a Starop chaser if you please,one for yourself and the customary round for the house.
Please excuse unplanned absense these past few days-duff connection between machine & wall,took until today to get replacement cable.
May I congratulate you all on a record breaking sunday pix both in quality & quantity-a marvellous way to see out the year[^]
Brevity is the name of the game tonight I fear-I was a pall-bearer at our late next door neighbours interrment this afternoon and we marked his passing with sufficient vigour that I am typing this with one eye closed in order to focus on the screen (safe journey Joe) As I have a 5 hour drive ahead of me in the A.M.,sleep is a rather higher priority than usual.
Please forgive my rudeness in not acknowledging individual postings.
The drive in question is to the In-laws, where we will be staying until Sat,thus this is likely to be my last pre-christmas posting,therefore.....

WISHING ALL CUSTOMERS & STAFF OF `OUR PLACE`,PAST, PRESENT & FUTURE, A HAPPY & PEACEFUL CHRISTMAS & A PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR-eat well,drink wisely, spare a thought for those less fortunate than ourselves.
Thank you all for your company & friendship these past eight months,I look forward to resuming our delightfully off-beat cameraderie as soon as circumstances permit
Best wishes to all,nick[C=:-)]

[jdonald]

Evenin Tom & all: The usual Alex. Keith and one for yourself

Nick if you are still around the bar-Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Drive safely, I don't envy you that 5 hour drive.

To continue my ramblings about North American tank engines:
A search through "Guide to North American Steam Locomotives" by George H. Drury and published by Kalmbach Books showed the following-"The principal users of suburban tank enigines in North America were:

CNR 4-6-4-T (6)
CPR 4-6-4T (3)
CNJ 2-6-2-T (25)
" 4-6-4T (5)
NYC(B&A) 4-6-6T (5)
RDG 2-6-4-T (10)

"Suburban tank engines replaced the tender with a coal bunker and water tank carried on an extension of the locomotive frame. The extension was supported by a truck that also guided the locomotive into curves when running in reverse. The price of such convenience was limited fuel and water capacity and thus limited range."

BTW this a great book for anyone interested in steam locos built after 1900. If anyone out there doesn't have access to this book and has a question, let me know on here or by E-mail and I will try to the answer.

Bye for now-keep it on the rails

Don

[Anonymous]

Good evening all. Tom, maybe a hot cuppa Joe with a "slider" of Crown Royal to take off the chill, thanks. Some more good information and memorabilia today from CM3, Barndad Doug, Don, Mike and, of course, the Nostalgia #46 from Tom. Those pieces always "get to me" because those ads were "the stuff that dreams were made of" years ago.[tup] Yes, much of it is now history but so are many things we still prize greatly.

You can tell from posts recalling the "busy years" of passenger and freight that the "nerve center" for rural "Main Street America" was the train station. Until radio became the major source of news, local papers were all folks had to rely upon and they were delivered by rail to rural towns. And, a good number of people learned to understand coded telegraphy for the "latest" develpoments. It was sort of like the "cutting edge" of the late nineteenth century. As a kid, I was amazed to learn that Gene Autry ("King of the Cowboys") was a Telegrapher in a rural train station in Oklahoma. Will Rogers, by chance, heard him singing and playing guitar and gave him his first "break into show business" on a radio show. It all began in a "one horse town" train station. There have been countless articles on how many major business and political "deals" were consumated on trains or in train stations. Just another reminder of how the era of "Classic Trains" figured into America's past, which some would say was this Nation's "Golden Years." Well, that's enough trivia for one post.

I have a couple of appointments at the V.A. Hospital tomorrow, so I'll be scarce until Wednesday. BTW Tom, with just the few of us, perhaps a staff party would be superfluous. A day doesn't go by that we aren't toasting "this or that" any rate. How 'bout just a cyber greeting card instead? Boris and Leon aren't exactly compelling conversationalists either.[:O] Okay, hope to get in early tomorrow, until then. Happy rails.

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Nick - Don - Ted good seein' y'all tonite!

I saw you doin' the "Phantom Browse" Sir Nick and I'm sorry that we didn't connect for a proper fairwell. [Nothing will put the damper on things than a funeral, especially so at this time of year. Hope your drive is a safe and steady one. Merry Christmas to you and yours, my friend! [tup]

Don Another positive from this thread is the knowledge that gets passed on. For example, I had nary a clue what a "tank engine" was until reading about them here, many, many pages back. You've picked up on it as well and the information flow continues. Thanx! [tup] I'm a diesel kinda guy, with the lone exception being the GG-1 of Pennsy fame. Just go for "pretty" over functional and massive! Kinda the same with the gals in my life! [swg]

Ted Here's an idea - let's have a staff party for the Gals of "Our" Place, for Boris 'n Leon, for Mr. Doyle, Private Investigator and Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabulary, and of course, my gal Cindy. Rather than have an organized 'thing," we'll just have it for them and let it go at that, with no announcements or fanfare.

That's some good stuff about the humble beginnings, with ties to railroading, for a couple of America's entertainment icons. Didn't know of either. Let's have some MORE! [tup]

FOR ALL WHO BOUGHT ROUNDS TODAY - Thanx! [tup][tup]

Time for me to turn things over to Leon the Night Man who has been off since last Thursday. Boris Ring the bell - and Leon give 'em what they please!

Nite! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and a round for the great posts and photos of the last few days please.

Back from the Springfield area of Missouri and now back up to date despite the computer being a bit cranky at times. Wonderful posts thanks WANSWHEEL DAN DOUG CM3 AL DON ROB TEDand of course TOM[tup][tup][tup].

DON I will ask my pal in England about the web- site on the British railscene. I did not have a computer until I was over here. Many thanks for the Tank Engine Photo and the info.The 4-6-6T must be an impressive loco

A wonderful way to fini***he years Photo Sunday I only hope that I can send some from the U.K. when I am over there.A spledid variety from a loco on ice, trolleys Cabooses and to see another photo of a regular with DAN.

Tom and I saw a caboose in service coupled to the rail-grinding train as we left Kansas City but we were unable to get it on film. It is good to see that quite a few cabooses have been saved it seems that a few towns around Mid-Missouri have them some quite a distance from the railroad.

TED I am really pleased that you enjoyed the Jones Store train. It was a delight to see the pleasure it was giving to the youngsters. They have done a great job of restoring it, I only wi***hat Tom and I could have had more time to see it and the excellent model railway that was on display. I wi***he people at Union Station all the success they deserve, they are working very hard to have a railroading heritage there. There is a short article in the latest (January) issue of TRAINS mag on the RR Museum at K.C. Union Station.

Tom Many thanks for posting the photos. I can see now why the Track -Gang are so boisterous in the bar, they have probably had to fight off a bear or two on the CAN-AM. Great photos and railroad signs it is the first time I have heard of a NECCSSARY ROOM [%-)] Thanks for the Nostalgia and I agree with Ted about the Ads. The links of Mikes to the old posters are also magical [tup].

NICK If you sould call in the bar before you leave for Christmas.May I wish you and your family A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR.[yeah].

WELL TO WIN THE COMPITITION I shall now list the entire steam stock on British Railways as it was in 1950
#1000 COUNTY OF MIDDLESEX
#1001 COUNTY OF
On second thoughts perhaps not PETE.
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[siberianmo]

Hey Pete!

Just caught your Post before checking out .... glad you are back. There's an Email in your "in" box. [tup]

Perhaps if you Posted that "entire steam stock" about a thousand times, you'd have a shot at the prize! [swg]

Glad you enjoyed our finale for this year's Sunday Photo Posting Day!. We'll have two weeks "off" before resuming the Pix Postings on January 8th. Plenty of time to get those Emails to me. And yes, we all hope to "see" you while you are over in "Merry Olde!"

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]