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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, March 4, 2006 7:27 PM
Leon, man i'm beat..Happy BD in advance Nick, hope the gods of spirits and good wishes grace you and those you love, have a pint on my behalf on you natal day..Well, where the heck was my encore? That Tom is one smart gent indeed!!!

Lovedomes, good to see you again, sometimes, I feel like I have no time these day to acknowledge all here, I apologize for any omissions that have slip through the cracks of my fuzzy mind!!!

Until Monday, keep well all

Dave
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, March 4, 2006 6:56 PM
G'day Gents,

This most probably will be the final Post from me for this day, so keep in mind that:
Leon the Night Man! takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)

Thanx for the Emails from Doug - Pete - Nick - Lars -Rob & Ted [tup]

RR Book Relay! is off 'n winging ....... Amazing just how "difficult" this "decison" has been for so many ......[%-)][%-)]

Appreciate the support for ENCORE! Saturday from Rob 'n Doug![tup]

A TIP for EDITING Posts: Keep in mind the ORIGINAL TIME of the Post being edited and the PAGE it is on. If an EDIT is made to a Post on a different PAGE, and let's say perhaps an hour or more after the fact - that EDIT will be the one shown to one and all as the most current submission for our Thread. So when someone logs on, they will be directed NOT to the most current Post, but back to the one that was EDITED. A better way to handle something like that is to either delete the ORIGINAL and start over (copy it of course, then paste it back with the corrections added......) OR simply make a NEW POST.

Lars That was quite a Post you provided and covered lots of ground. Once again, glad that things seem to be on the upswing for you and your bride![tup] That insurance fiasco could linger, and I'm sure you are prepared for whatever it takes to put it to rest ...

St. Louis - San Francisco - NOT St. Looie, St. Loo or Frisco. Just the anal way I am![swg]

Yes, you did mention the Alaska getaway for us - but appreciate your additional commentary! In the days of my sea going in Alaskan waters, I was in the radio shack - had nothing to do with what was going on up on the bridge. However, when not on watch, I spent many hours on deck, checking out the awesome scenery of the Alaskan coastline - something else fer sure, fer sure. Saw it pretty much from Ketchikan up to Nome. Covered lots of terriorty back in 1959-60. Great memories and surely looking forward to this trip of ours. Of course, we're now talking air and train - no more ships.[swg]

Thanx for the twenty![tup] Once we get a bunch of guys in here, we'll ring the bell and serve 'em a drink on Lars! - maybe two![swg]

Keep in mind, Gents that tomorrow is Sunday Photo Posting Day! and should you stop by, drop a [bday] to our friend Nick!

Hey West Coast S Dave no ENCOREs! from you[?] Sure would be easy, given how many great Posts you've given us in the past. Can't find 'em[?] Just use the "advance search" feature and it should be a snap ...... Appreciate the "free lunch," but haven't seen any takers.[swg]


Okay guys, time to enjoy this Saturday night![tup]

Later (maybe) .......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, March 4, 2006 4:01 PM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 166

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this ad out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956) [located on the inside of the front cover]

TICKET AGENTS! Ask one question and increase your income

For every “yes” answer, you earn a generous commission. And you’ll find many rail passengers want rental cars. Men on bujsiness trips. Folks going on vacations or to towns without rail connections.

A clean, new car from Avis will greet them at the station. Rates are low and include gas, oil and insurance. Only Avis offers them the convenient “Rent it here – leave it there” service, and they’ll get the courtesy and treatment that has made Avis the fastest growing car rental organization in the word . . . with more than 850 offices.

Make friends for your line and commissions for yourself with Avis reservations. For particulars write Avis Rent-a-Car System, Inc., Hotel Statler Bldg., Boston 16, Mass., or call your Avis rental station.

. . . . . Avis
. . . . . RENT-a-CAR

Away or at home . . . a car of your own


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, March 4, 2006 3:51 PM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 149

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this ad out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956) [located on page iii]

You make a 10% commission every time you reserve a Hertz car for a passenger!

May I reserve a Hertz car for you at your destination?”

That question is loaded – with potential profit for you. Ask it every time you sell a ticket. When the passenger answers “Yes” make the reservation and Hertz will send you 10% of the total car rental.

Chances are good he’ll say “Yes.” This year hundreds of thousands of wise rail travelers will take advantage of this easy, low-cost way to take the train and have a Hertz car waiting when they arrive.

Your part is easy. Fill out the triplicate form supplied you free by Hertz. Send one to the proper Hertz office, give the passenger one, and keep one.

The handy Hertz directory lists more than 1,000 offices around the world. So you’re assured of Hertz service (and that 10% commission) wherever a passenger is going. Hertz’ low rates include all gasoline and oil, plus proper insurance, and Hertz cars are new Powerglide Chevrolets or other fine makes.

Start now! Write today for details and reservation forms Hertz Rent A Car, 218 So. Wabash Avenue, Chicago 4, Ill.

. . . . .More people by far . . . use . . . . .
. . . . . HERTZ . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . Rent a car . . . . .



Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, March 4, 2006 3:31 PM
Afternoon all, Barndad,

The DeAlture brothers were responsible for what is considered the last attempted train robbery. They held up an SP express train as it exited tunnel 13 on the Shasta Division in 1923 or there abouts, shot and killed the engineer, fireman and conductor out of fustration when they botched the job by using too much dynamite on the steel express car, to the misfortune of the express personal who were killed as well.

The train had slowed to drop off a helper, upon resumption, the two brothers boarded the cab with guns at the ready and ordered that the express car be uncoupled from the rest of the train, then ordered the crew to proceed to a pre selected remote spot were the father and some guns for hire attempted to blow the expres car.

All in law enforcement knew who had commited the crime, as the father had threatend SP officals before over a precieved grievence. The father was immediently arrested with physical evidence and explosives in his possesion, but the two brothers sought haven by enlisting in the Army, both were discovered serving in the Phillipines and were arrested, returned to the United States, tried and convicted, the father died in prison in 1953, about the time the brother's were pardoned, with the older of the two being discovered deceased under mysterious circumstances in a ditch several years later near the scene of the crime, frontier justice perhaps by a relative of the five murdered for no reason??

The local sheriff ruled it sucicide, and that was that. The younger brother was in and out of prison on a variety of serious crimes until passing away several years ago at close to one hundered years of age.


Ok, Tom lunch on me today, enjoy

Dave
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 2:10 PM
Good afternoon Tom and friends! I'll have my usual bottomless, and please accept a round on me! Nice encores on the IC and L&N. One day, maybe I'll have enough backlogged stuff of my own to cover most of the railroads too.

Dave, I don't know what a DeAultre brother is. Guess I'll have to run into the information later, 'cause google doesn't know about them either. Can you tell a little about whatever it is that they did, or suposedly did?

Lars, all I know, is that if I ever got a juicy check from an insurance company, I wouldn't squander it ... I'd invest it in the Our Place train! [:)]
On another subject, my wife, whom I snatched from the clutches of Philadephia, also pronounces the "noise" part of Illinois ... just to give me grief. I get back at her by asking how many syllables are in words like "bed", because to hear the Philly people say it, you would swear there were two or more.

Except for the gas prices today, I've had an excellent morning! The sun is shining, so it seemed a shame to be working on all the kitchen stuff, so I ran to a few train stations to snap some photos, and then ended up at the Illinois (there is no noise in Illinois) Railway Museum, and climbed all over stuff that would get me kicked out (if caught). Even sneaked into a Pullman sleeper ...first time ever for me. I now have a plethora of stuff to share with ya'll in the coming weeks! For now, here's an encore from page 214:

From the pages of “The Railway Conductor” September 1931

Chicago & Eastern Illinois Railroad Company, March 17th, 1894

Wages and Rules Governing the Employment of Conductors and Flagmen, Baggagemen, and Brakemen General Rules

1. Callers will be kept at all points where, in the judgment of the head of the department, it is necessary to call conductors and brakemen. Men to be called at their regularly registered residences, and as nearly practicable two hours before leaving time of trains. Each man, when called, to sign call book showing time called and departing time of train called for. Distance limits for calling not to exceed one mile from starting point of caller, but no caller will be furnished for men assigned to regular runs, except by special agreement.

2. When conductors and brakemen are held for duty, and for any cause other than their own acts do not go out, if held on duty three hours or less, they will be paid for three hours at the rate of ten miles per hour, and stand out first. If held on duty for more than three hours and less than five hours, they will be paid for five hours at the same rate per hour and stand first out. If held on duty more than five hours, they shall be paid for ten hours at same rate of pay per hour, and go behind all other crews at that point.

3. When men are notified (before reporting) that they will not be wanted, no time will be allowed.

4. Conductors and brakemen of work trains when held for duty, will be paid for six hours if they work six hours or less; if over six hours and less than ten hours, they will be paid for ten hours; over ten hours, they will be paid prescribed rate per hour. To be paid for noon hour if worked. Conductors and brakemen of work trains being called upon to handle merchandise train on the same day, will be paid number of hours they work as per rule No. 4 on Work Trains, and be paid actual mileage on merchandise traffic.

5. Trainmen deadheading under orders on passenger of freight train will be paid one-half their regular rate.

6. The number of men to be employed with each crew on train shall be determined by the superintendent.

7. Trainmen acting as witnesses attending court on legal cases or in similar service to the company, will be allowed no dead-head mileage, but will be allowed a full day’s pay for each twenty-four hours absent from duty; fractional days at proportionate rate, but in no case less than one full day.

8. If any trainman has been taken off his train for any cause, he shall be granted a thorough investigation with the privilege of requesting the attendance of all material witnesses to the cause for which his suspension has been made. He may also have one other trainman present at the investigation, and shall have the right to appeal to the general officers of the road. Decision will be given five days after appeal. Investigation will be made in five days after suspension. If found not guilty of the charge, he will receive pay for all time lost.

9. All employees entering or remaining in the service of the company thereby agree to obey and be governed by any and all rules of the company.

10. The rules and regulations of the company are for the guidance of all concerned, and for the safe and prompt dispatch of the company’s business and care of its property. It is of the utmost importance, to make these rules efficient, that they shall be absolutely enforced, and all those unwilling to yield a cheerful and full obedience thereto are not expected to remain in service.

11. It is the purpose of this company to reward long service by promotion. In making promotions, the oldest employee will be promoted, provided his record is good, and also provided he has not been notified by the trainmaster or superintendent previous to the time of possible promotion that he is, in their judgment not fitted for higher duties. The oldest trainman in the employ of the company to have preference if competent and worthy. The trainmaster or superintendent to be the judge, with the right of the applicant for promotion to appeal to the general officers, provided prejudice is alleged.



[:I] A man walks into a bar and orders 10 shots of whiskey for himself. The bartender looks at him and says, "Are you out of your mind? I can’t give you all that booze, I will end up losing my liquor license."
To that the man replied, "Please, do it for me just this one time, I just found out my son is gay." The bartender gave the guy a hard look and said "OK, but just this one time and that's it, never again."
The man agreed and as fast as the bartender poured the shots the guy slammed them down.
A week later the same guy walked into the same bar and asked the same bartender for 10 more shots of whiskey. The bartender said "Woah, I thought last week we agreed that this was never going to happen again."
The guy replied, "Please do it just one more time for me, I swear this will be the last time........I just found out my other son was gay."
Again the bartender gives the guy a hard look and says, "OK, but this is absolutely the last time." The guy agreed and again he slammed all 10 shots as fast as the bartender could pour them.
A week later the same guy walked into the same bar and asked the same bartender yet again for 10 shots of whiskey. The bartender looked at the guy and said "What’s going on man, doesn’t anyone in your family like women?!!?!!"
The guy says "Yeah, my wife" [:I]
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Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, March 4, 2006 2:09 PM
LARS
Just caught your post[tup] Thanks for the link. The Ballentine looks great ale.
Irish Moss[?].
Hopefully with the work to the house compleated we can have a double celebration on Nick's birthday Monday, at the Bar.[tup][tup][tup]. PETE.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, March 4, 2006 1:43 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and Gents at the Bar!

I see I missed West Coast S Dave, then again I completely missed yesterday as well![tdn] Been that kind of week (again).

Progress on the homefront to report. The crew is back again at it today and I expect they will have it all finished by the end of the day - that is if they keep at it. As long as the weather holds up - no rain in sight, a bit of a breeze and not bad out there - they shouldn't have anything to stop 'em.

Trip to the lawyers the other day was about another matter, however, once again we received the reassurance needed to put the fiasco with the insurance company behind us. A twist: Found out that the company now working on our basement wall uses the same insurance company that we had the problems with! So, that second adjustor who came around was indeed connected with that sorry bunch. This is more involved than anything G&S could have ever conjured up! ‘Tis indeed a puzzlement!

Had a talk with a representative from the foundation company and he explained to me that when they did the original work a couple of years ago, I had paid for the additional coverage which is now kicking in. Honestly, I don’t recall doing that![wow] Anyway, sure looks like the sun will shine next week when all of this is a memory – we hope!

The furnace and hot water tank are ‘doing their things,” and I’ve begun reconstructing the basement to a more reasonable and safe arrangement. Been looking at it from the vantage point of putting in a train room too! But then again, there is a room I could use that has been long empty since the kids became adults and moved on . . . . thinking, always thinking!

Regarding the Birthday scheduling. Whatever works best is fine with me, as my email indicated. I'll be here on Monday for Nick's BASH![tup]

Did I mention your trip to Alaska, Tom[?] If not, forgive me! That indeed should be the “winnah’s of all winnah’s!” Sailed in and out of several ports up that way in my time, and perhaps you recall the difficulty in making safe navigation along those shores. Alaska isn’t for the *** of the world (can I say that here[?]) We’ll see if I get “bleeped!” Anyway, green with envy here and I’d take that choice in a NY minute compared to any Amtrak trip or trips. Those you can take later on.[tup][tup][tup]

Nice "stuff" yesterday, in spite of the poor showing. Don't know what to make of 20 Fingers Al as he was rather prolific all afternoon on your other thread, but somehow forgot about the bar. Now that's cause for some action, I'd say![swg] This IS "home" fellas and let's not forget it![tup]

I'd love to come up with some Encore! stuff of my own, but as I've indicated before, my posts are all rather new and really not much to "encore" about.[:O]

That is one fine bit of reading in your latest submission, barndad Doug. Looks like another "winnah" from Illinois![tup] Have a relative who pronounces the "Land of Lincoln" as "Ill-in-noise" and it annoys the beejeezus outta me! You'd have to meet this person to believe her. Probably one of the reasons so many have negative impressions about New Yorkers (New Yawk-ahs!) if you follow my drift.[swg]

Rob Sounds like I "tweaked" sensitive place, which really wasn't my intent. You are perhaps the most faithful and consistent member of this "club" - so pardon my intrusiveness. Just kind of makes me wonder what it is with the guys when they KNOW Tom is out there trying to get us some customers and they won't pitch in. That's where I was coming from. Have one on me, Mate![tup]

Nick I'd love to be able to turn the clock back to a time and place when 2 or 3 in the morning was just the "start" of the night! You are leading one bodacious existence, for sure. Hang on to it while it lasts, for one day . . . . well, you already know![swg]

Pete I know you asked me a question or two, but for the life of me - can't recall or find the blasted page! I think you asked about Ballentine Ale – here’s a URL to check out: http://www.leeners.com/beerkitr.html#ballex

I want to make a pitch for Tom’s RR BOOK! I have that book and Gents it’s a no brainer for crying out loud. It’s pictures – nothing to fret over. So, why not get in on the RELAY[?] Heck, Tom if you need another, I’ll take it just to keep it going! As you said, unbelievable!

So, Tom is it Saint Loo, Saint Looie, or Saint Louis[?] Just being funny - I KNOW what it is and KNOW how some thing annoy you![swg] Getting excited about the coming of baseball[?] Sorry to report that I'm not. And that's a shame - for I've always looked forward to opening day. Not this time. I think the entire professional sports "thing" should dry up and go away. The Prima Donnas have chased me away along with the greed and "mercenary" approach we seemed to have taken with our sports in our country. A bit of nationalism here - but pardon me, this IS the U.S.A. - don't like it here, other than our money[?] Don't let the door hit you in the "keester" on the way back to whatever "hole" you came out of. Looks like it's time to ring the bell, Boris - here's a twenty, Tom for the next couple of rounds on me. It was worth the VENTING![swg]

Well, I'm just rambling along, aren't I[?] I'll take my leave now, but will participate tomorrow in the Pix Sunday Gala!

Until the next time!

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Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, March 4, 2006 1:42 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams on Encore Saturday please.

AL Good post on the California Zepher and CM3,s extra info. The new Trains IS a good issue on the railroad dining. I read recenly that they are going to put a Harvey House style Diner in the Union Station at Kansas City[tup].

DOUG Very interesting article on the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers. The first joke I had heard but the version I heard it was the Australian Flying Doctor.
Keep the jokes coming[:)].

ROB Thanks for the CP7 info. I now know the difference of the Cab and Hood locos.

DAVE looking forward to the SP diesel post. Latest ex SP loco through Jeff city has been UP# 6387 also Cotton Belt with UP # 1444 has been working the local frieght to Industrial Drive.

NICK Glad the band (s) are doing well. Did you find out what LOL means it has got me puzzeled as well.

TOM Great post on the C&EI it seem a very forward looking railroad with the signalling and the first to go all diesel. Thanks also for the Illinois Central and the L&N Encores.
It looks a good week at the Emporium with the Alaska themed films [tup][tup].

I,ll have another Bathams and around in anticipation of Photo Day tomorrow[^] PETE>
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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, March 4, 2006 12:27 PM
Morning Tom and the gang, well it's my 14th day on duty, pulling 12 hr shifts, if i'm not working, i'm sleeping!!! Alas, I never returned to "Our Place" as intended earlier this week, too much good stuff to catch up on, i'll weigh in on a few of the topics when some coffee saunters my way if you please..

Rob...Didn't Sir Pembroke import the coal used by the Flying Scottsman durings it's US tour??? I seem to recall this being a major reason behind the ventures insolvency...

Good to see others getting involved with the loco reviews. It should be noted that SF traded Amtrak 18 CF7's for a like amount of SDP40's, durable indeed, many continue in service for new owners, including Amtrak...I've got a pending review of a certain diesel class unique to the SP, but you'll have to wait until after ecore Saturday.

I've got some additional SDP45 owners, how did I forget to include the only non steam generator versions, those owned by the EL, seems they wanted the largest possible fuel tank, the SDP45 frame, being four longer then standard allowed this to be possible, but was only available if one purchased the passenger carbody. Matter of fact, EMD would customize any model, starting at about 18 grand per copy.

Barndad.. What do you have regarding the DeAultre brothers? It would be good to see the facts seperated from legend, you seem to have the nack for vintage railroad lore..

Ok Tom, let me get caught up a bit more...until later

Dave
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:57 AM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 146

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #13

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Louisville and Nashville (L&N) from an advertisement in Classic American Trains


The NEW Crescent
A GRAND NEW TRAIN WITH A GRAND OLD NAME


In Daily Service between New Orleans, Atlanta, Washington and New York


Recommend and Sell the Year’s Finest Travel Packge

STREAMLINED, STAINLESS STEEL CARS
The Crescent is new from end to end. It’s the last word in streamliners. all cars are constructed of stainless steel and offer latest comfort and safety features.

ALL-PRIVATE-ROOM SLEEPERS
A selection of five different type private rooms – new 3-bed master room with shower and individual radio, drawing room, bedroom en suite, bedroom, and roomette. Each offers private lavatory, clothes closet, ice water and individually controlled lighting, heating and air conditioning.

LOUNGE AND OBSERVATION CARS
The finest atmosphere is found in the mid-train club lounge and the luxurious observation car. Comfortable chairs, music and convenient game or writing tables offer a “club on wheels” for rest and relaxation.

NOTHING FINER IN DINERS
The Crescent diners serve Southern cooking at is best. Every service to make every meal a travel treat has been provided – even to telephone communication between sleeping cars and diners.

COACH SERVICE
De luxe coaches with individual reclining seats are operated between New Orleans and Atlanta with connecting service beyond.

LOUISVILLE AND NASHVILLE RAILROAD


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, March 4, 2006 9:17 AM
Good Morning!

Best thing that can be said about yesterday is that it’s over! Absolutely one of the worst days the bar has experienced, especially between morning and night. Had I not Posted, only two guys would have been in the SUMMARY! TWO!! That’s poor. Fortunately, a bit of a “pick up” at night . . .

Petrol up at “Collusion Corner” made it to $2.28 (rounded) with this latest round of price hikes. Here we go again! We have a front moving in on us this day and the temps are expected to get down into the 20s (F) tonight and in the early AM. Won’t last, so they tell us, just some well needed rain on the way and then a rebound into spring once more. Ah, one just never knows what to expect here in mid-Continent USA –but then again, we do – expect the unexpected![swg]

Let’s get to the acknowledgments and then I must get going on my day . . .

nickinwestwales Nick
Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 21:20:38 and 21:40:28


Pleased to see ya this fine night! Amazing that you’re able to type at the hour it is where you are! That, PLUS the fact you have remembered us says a lot, Sir Nick![tup][tup]

It isn’t the Friday night crowd you once remembered, but the bar is still here, with all of the familiar “faces” – so shall it remain! Ya know – next Sunday, the 12th – we reach our 11th Month on the Forums. Then it’s “countdown time” to our ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY on April 12th!! That’s a day ‘n night for everyone to show up.[tup][tup][tup] Excuses will NOT be accepted.[tdn]

Thanx for the band rundown – didn’t know about the 3rd one! <geesh> When do you find the time to eat, sleep ‘n do the other things of life[?][swg] The “Remnants,” kinda says it all, eh[?][tup]

So, on the “eve” of your Natal Day are you thinking about anything in particular regarding your 46th[?] Let’s see, it’s early 40s – mid 40s and late 40s! Always something, eh[?][swg]

barndad Doug
Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 21:59:31



Very glad to know that the RR Book Relay! is working and that the book arrived![tup] I’ll ship you the address of the next recipient . . . Still a rather disappointing response to the numerous invitations to participate. Just don’t get it – it’s a picture book for crying out loud. What’s so difficult about flipping through the flippin’ pages of a flippin’ picture book[?] Arggggggggggggggggggggh! This is a tough crowd, fer sure, fer sure. Makes we want to take back some of those Reserved & Permanent Stools[tdn] Ooooooooops, there I go into a <rant> - Boris Ring the ding and serve ‘em up all the OJ they can handle![swg]

Figured you’d pick up on that C&EI Post – some really good stuff over on “my other thread,” check it out![tup] Doesn’t appear as if 20 fingers ever returned to the bar yesterday . . . .

I haven’t had the opportunity to read your latest epistle – but will find the time later on.[tup] Jokes are getting really, really <grim>[tdn][swg]

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 22:40:15 and 23:05:46


Slow is an understatement! Ridiculously slow is better put . . . Good to see ya, though and your two Posts have brightened up the place a bit.[tup] Always enjoy reading about the “Fs” – even with a “C” in front of ‘em![swg]

Looks like we BOTH said “it,” eh[?]<grin> “Pain in the Pullman!”

barndad Doug
Posted: 04 Mar 2006, 06:44:25


Thanx for kickin’ off ENCORE! Saturday for us! Good choice with the wage scale – always makes me think back. My first real part-time job as a kid was in an A&P market – made 50 cents an hour AND had to join a union at that!![wow] Imagine trying that out in today’s world[?]

Joke[?] Just a tad on the upswing, BUT you’re still in the red!![swg]


Okay Gents, let’s not forget the [blue]Monday Birthday Bash for Nick beginning at NOON!


Later![tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, March 4, 2006 7:57 AM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 152

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Illinois Central (IC)

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage:

1950: 4,779
1995: 2,732 (including rights)

Locomotives in 1963

Diesels: 629

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 49,226
Passenger cars: 857

Principal routes:

Chicago-New Orleans via Mattoon & Carbondale, IL, & Grenada, MS
Memphis-New Orleans via Vicksburg, MS & Baton Rouge, LA
Memphis-Jackson, MS via Greenwood, MS
Fulton, KY-Birmingham, AL
Freeport-Centralia, IL via Clinton & Vandalia
Chicago-Omaha, NE
Tara (Fort Dodge)-Sioux City, IA
Cherokee, IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Manchester-Cedar Rapids, IA
Waterloo, IA-Albert Lea, MN
Centralia, IL-Madison, WI
Gilman, IL-St. Louis
St. Louis-Du Quoin, IL
Edgewood, IL-Fulton, KY
Fulton-Louisville, KY via Paducah
Effingham, IL-Indianapolis, IN
Mattoon-Peoria, IL via Decatur
Jackson-Gulfport, MS
Meridian, MS-Shreveport, LA

Passenger trains of note:

Chickasaw (Memphis-St. Louis & Chicago)
City of Miami (Chicago & St. Louis-Miami & St. Petersburg, FL; joint with CG, ACL and FEC)
City of New Orleans (Chicago & St. Louis & Louisville-New Orleans)
Daylight (Chicago-St. Louis
Delta Express (Memphis-Vicksburg, MS)
Green Diamond (Chicago-St. Louis)
Hawkeye (Chicago-Sioux City
Iowan (Chicago-Sioux City)
Irvin S. Cobb (Louisville-New Orleans)
Kentucky Cardinal (Louisville-Memphis)
Land O’ Corn (Chicago-Waterloo, IA)
Louisiane (Chicago & St. Louis-New Orleans)
Magnolia Star (Chicago-New Orleans)
Mid-American (Chicago-Memphis)
Night Diamond (Chicago-St. Louis)
Panama Limited (Chicago & St. Louis-New Orleans)
Planter (Louisville-Memphis)
Seminole (Chicago-Jacksonville, FLA via Birmingham & Columbus, GA)
Southwestern Limited & Northeastern Limited (Meridian-Shreveport)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, March 4, 2006 7:03 AM


We open at 6 AM (all times zones!). (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

The weekend has arrived! Check out the freshly brewed hot coffee and the pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery! Then take a look at our Menu Board with some great selections for our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts!


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Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Coast Line/Seaboard Railways – ACL – SAL – SCL arrives Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 05:29:59 (262) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) passengerfan AL Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 06:52:08 (262) Streamliner #72 – Zephrette

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 07:06:40 (262) Comments

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 07:28:39 (262) B’day Bash!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 08:22:14 (262) Acknowledgments, etc.

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 08:29:37 (262) CM3 AM Report!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 08:55:44 (262) reply to coalminer3

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 12:18:16 (262) C&EI info

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 18:42:45 (262) Blurb

(10) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 21:20:38 (262) Nick at Nite!

(11) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 21:40:28 (262) Band info

(13) barndad Doug Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 21:59:31 (262) Engineers Brotherhood, etc. & joke!

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 22:40:15 (262) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 23:05:46 (262) Classic Diesels #8, CF7

NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 26th thru March 4th: Fours a Crowd (1938) starring: Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland & Rosalind Russell – and – Holiday Affair (1949) starring: Robert Mitchum, Janet Leigh & Wendell Corey.

Coming Attractions:
Now with The Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, March 5th thru 11th: North to Alaska (1960) starring: John Wayne, Stewart Granger & Capucine – and – Lost in Alaska (1952) starring: Bud Abbott & Lou Costello. Short: A Pain in the Pullman (1936).


That’s it! [tup][;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 6:44 AM
Good morning Tom and all! I'll have 2 light breakfasts and some bandages in anticipation og the cuts I'll most liely be geeting when I install a new sink, garbage disposal and dishwasher later today. What a way to spend a Saturday! DId someone mention the Chicago & Eastern Illinois yesterday? Remember these pay scales from page 213?

From the pages of “The Railway Conductor” September 1931

Chicago & Eastern Illinois Railroad Company, March 17th, 1894

Wages and Rules Governing the Employment of Conductors and Flagmen, Baggagemen, and Brakemen

Through Passenger Service
Conductors ………….. $100 per month
Baggagemen ………… $57.50 per month
Baggagemen, on trains 5 and 6, who handle baggage and express $ 60 per month
Brakemen …………… $48.00 per month

Suburban
Conductors ………….. $95 per month
Brakemen …………… $52.50 per month
Flagmen …………….. $45 per month

St. Louis Division
Conductors …………. $90 per month
Baggagemen ……….. $50 per month

Through Freight Service
Conductors …………. $3 per 100 miles
Baggagemen ……….. $2 per 100 miles

Local or Way Freight Runs
Conductors …………. $85 per month
Brakemen …………… $57.50 per month

Nice post on the CF7's Mr. Rob. Are you all set for Sunday photo posting tomorrow? I am! And now ..... for my morning groaner:

[:I] It was November, and the Indians on a remote reservation asked their new Chief if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild. Since he was a Chief in a modern society he had never been taught the old secrets. When he looked at the sky, he couldn’t tell what the winter was going to be like. Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he told his tribe that it was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the village should collect firewood to be prepared. But being a practical leader, after several days he got an idea. He went to the phone booth and called the National Weather Service and asked “Is the coming winter going to be cold?” “It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold,” the meteorologist at the weather service responded. So the chief went back to his tribe and told them to collect even more firewood in order to be prepared. A week later, the chief called the National Weather Service again. “Does it still look like it’s going to be a very cold winter?” “Yes,” the man at the National Weather Service again replied “it’s going to be a very cold winter”. The Chief again went back to his people and ordered them to collect every piece of firewood they could find. Two weeks later, the Chief called the National Weather Service again and asked “Are you absolutely sure that this winter is going to be very cold? “Absolutely,” replied the man, it’s looking more and more that this is going to be one of the coldest winters ever. “How can you be so sure?” the Chief asked. The weatherman replied, “The Indians are collecting firewood like crazy.” [:I]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, March 3, 2006 11:05 PM
Well a little bit of filler for this evening. Another installment to the info roster as it were.

CLASSIC DIESEL'S #8 THE CF7

The CF7

At the end of the 1960's the ATSF found itself with several hundred F7 frieght diesels that were out of a job. They had been bumped from mainline frieght duties by high horse power hood units , and their carbody configuration made them unsuitable for the branchline and local duties where they were needed. Santa Fe could not afford to to buy several hundred new units for this type of work and the F7's mechanically still had many usefull years left in them. So the Sante Fe decided to convert them ( F7's ) to hood units.Two factors influenced this decision : 1) The desire to keep the shop at Clerburne Tx busy , 2) The financial advantage of a capitol rebuilding program, whick let them treat the rebuilt locomotives as new, therefore enabling them to depreciate their value over a period of several years.

The rebuilding process was complicated by the basic difference between cab units,such as the F7, and a hood unit. A hood unit is essentially a flat frame carrying a diesel engine,and a generator and controls, with sheet metal hoods protecting them and the crew from the weather. A cab unit was designed so that the sides carry part of the weight of the machinery. Remove the sides and the frame will sag. Fabricating new frames was a major part of the conversion process from F7 to CF7 .

At first glance, the CF7 looks like a GP7 that has had it's short hood lowered.It differs from a GP7 in having a shorter , short hood and a longer cab ; the side members of the frame are also quite different. Most of the CF7's were built with a curved cab roof ; the last 54 had an angled cab roof that can accomodate a roof mounted air conditioner.Mechanically the CF7's are tthe same as the GP7 1500hp 567prime mover and the assosiated gen set. All refurbished as needed, but the original as installed powerplant from their F7 days.

Sante Fe built 233 CF7's between 1970 and 1978. In the early 80's the road began to phase them out and discovered a ready market for them in the various short lines and regional railroads. Many are onto their third and forth owners, in may cases running with thier purcgasers longer than with their builder. The CF7 was likely one of the most ambitious rebuilding schemes attempted by a class one. eclipsd only by some of the switcher rebuilds and GP7 and 9 conversions done by the UP and ICG to name just two.



CF7 working for a shortline dinner train in Florida.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, March 3, 2006 10:40 PM
Good evening Sir Tom,slow today I see that you let Leon go home early,that's okau Ruthy and I are sharing the last of the pizza and I'll help her close it down once the last of the backroom revellers are done for the evening.

Tom Interesting info on the CE&I,again not a road I can say i new much of, other than seeing the odd covered hopper or boxcar roll by on a CN train. Looks as though the old UP has been getting away with creative finacing of mergers even that far back / albeit that the MP was mostly the merger road involved at the time, I'm sure that UP had some money in there some where as well.[;)] slowest I've seen around here in a long time oh well, chock it up to the weather I suppose,I had to deal with some "slain" and "snog" on my drive in today as well.You would have loved yesterday here we had about 3" of crap snow dumped on us,cold enough to freeze the undercarriage off a brass primate today as well.[:0][xx(]

One question, can you say" Pain in the Pullman" on a public forum such as this [?][:D][;)]

Not to worry I won't need another mental health day on sunday some pictures will be forth comming.[;)]

CM3 Interesting Zepher info, between yoursself and good old 20 fingers we are well and truly set up with the passenger train info [tup]

Al Nice Zepherette piece.[^] I can now tell why you have not yet retired[;)][:I] You lickey dog you. [tup][tup]

Doug Nice piece on the "Brohterhood" the joke well[:(][V] Old and well...bad. LOL a good 4 on the groanameter !

Nick Glad that the concerts went well, also glad given your state when you came in that you weren't slicing and dicing the steaks in the kitchen[:0][B)][xx(] An early [bday] to you,hopefuly I can hump in on the party on Monday[tup] if not don't do anything that I wouldn't....BTW that gives you allot of leyway[:0][:p][:D]

Later Rob
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:59 PM
Good evening Tom and friends! I'll have a bottomless draught to celebrate the arrival of Trains book relay, fresh from Nickland! The next round is mine, and I'll try not to spill any sudz on the pages.
Rob, good stuff on the BC rail roster and the pix were great!
Al, Enjoyed your Zephyrette post, and your "problems" with the visual distractions you have at work. Must be awful to be you [;)]
CM3, great WP info, and finally Tom, I enjoyed the C&EI info. I just happened to run across some related material today, which I will have to share another time. As for now, here's the start of another series from the trenches:

The Engineers’ Brotherhood by Charles F. Carter, May 1936 Railroad Stories

Several Michigan Central engineers were resting (i.e., packing pistons, valve stems, pumps, cleaning headlights and filling lamps, etc.,) during their layover in Marshall, Mich., 106 miles west of Detroit, one Sunday in April, 1863. After a while they gathered at a sunny work bench in the roundhouse to resume discussion of a matter which concerned them deeply; to wit, the constant encroachment of management on their pay and accustomed privileges. Seeing the master mechanic listening, and engineer named W.D. Robinson proposed that they go to his house where they could talk freely. Since conditions on the Michigan Central were typical it was decided to correspond with engineers on other roads entering Detroit with a view to forming an organization to protect mutual rights.

The result was a meeting in Detroit May 5, 1863. Three days later twelve engineers standing in a circle clasped hands and repeated the obligation drafted for “the Brotherhood of the Footboard,” a labor union which was a secret order. Its constitution, they announce, was based on the Golden Rule. By-laws were drafted to promote a high standard of ability as engineers and of character as men and thus entitled them to liberal compensation which they planned to insist upon by all legitimate means. The idea caught on so quickly that divisions were formed on all lines entering Detroit. These divisions elected delegates to a convention in that city Aug. 17, 1863, at which the first grand division was created and W.D. Robinson, “Father of the Brotherhood,” was elected first grand chief engineer. In the following year the name was changed to Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers. Headquarters were established in Cleveland in 1870.

In November, 1873, the engineers found that all railroads in the country had combined to reduce their wages for the reason that earnings had allegedly declined. The real reason appeared to be a determination to cru***he Brotherhood. Members immediately got busy. One important road was induced to abandon the attack, others to postpone it. In spite of written agreement with the Brotherhood, the Pennsylvania Railroad and leased lines, including the “Panhandle,” announced a 10 per cent cut in pay on 24 hours’ notice. Quickly the engineers struck. Charles Wilson, grand chief engineer, declared the strike illegal, as the laws of the organization had not been complied with, and he denounced the organization in the newspapers.

A special convention was called in Cleveland, Feb. 24, 1874. Wilson’s resignation was demanded and given. In his place Peter M. Arthur, who had been an active and useful member of the Brotherhood since its inception, was elected grand chief engineer, a post which he held uninterruptedly until he dropped dead 29 years later while addressing a Winnipeg meeting. When the constitution was revised in 1904 the Golden Rule stayed put; for the Brotherhood had tried it and found it good.

By heeding another scriptural admonition about not letting the right hand know what the let hand does the Brotherhood was working out its destiny without attracting attention from those who judge by outward show. Not to put it too strong, the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers had undoubtedly done more for its members than any other labor union. While there may be workmen who earn a higher rate per hour while actively employed, the annual income of the average locomotive engineer is larger than that of practically any other man who works with both his hands and head.

The locomotive engineer holds his job for life or during good behavior, like justices of the U.S. Supreme Court. He can obtain leave of absence for almost any length of time and on returning he can begin exactly where he left off. This enviable position has been accomplished by methods which, judged by accepted ideas on union procedure, seem revolutionary.

The Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers comprises 90 per cent of all the locomotive engineers on every railroad system of importance on the continent, under contracts governing rates, wages, hours and conditions of service. Rates and conditions specified in those contracts govern the movements of every train that turns a wheel in North America; for non-members get the benefit of everything gained by the Brotherhood. No other labor union ever accomplished so much because no other union ever had the courage to expel, without hesitation, members who violated its contract, or to revoke the charter of an entire sub-division as the local unions, or lodges, are called, for the same offense. The B.L.E. does that very thing. For instance, it revoked the charter of the sub-division in New York City and summarily expelled its 393 members for violating their contract by participating in a strike called by another labor organization on the subway and elevated lines in 1905.

Being neither omniscient nor omnipotent, the Brotherhood sometimes makes as unsatisfactory contract; but a bargain is a bargain in the eyes of the officers, even if it is a bad one, and its terms are scrupulously fulfilled. The Brotherhood does not allow its members to belong to any other labor organization and never engages in sympathetic strikes. Being thus free to attend to its own affairs in its own way and that way being always to concede as well as to insist on strict adherence to contracts, since 1888 the Brotherhood has had no strikes, save a few trifling affairs involving a few men.

While the B.L.E. could not have attained its enviable position without brilliant leadership, it is also true that no leaders, however able, could have achieved so much had not the membership been made up of exceptional men. Every engineer is a living exemplification of the survival of the fittest. No man can be an engineer who has not served a long apprenticeship as a fireman. It is an unusually lucky man who is “set up” after two years, while the average fireman serves four to five years and from that up to twelve years, or even more in exceptional cases.

Fireman themselves are picked men. Applicants must undergo a physical examination which weeds out weaklings; for it takes muscle and stamina to maintain one’s balance on a pitching, jerking steel deck while shoveling 15 to 25 tons of coal into a roaring furnace in 8 to 12 hours. The glare from the white-hot fire is so trying to the eyes that when foreman come up for a second physical examination no less than 17 per cent of them fail to qualify for promotion on account of defective vision. Records show that of each hundred men who start firing only 17 become engineers, and of these only six ever attain the highest goal of the engineer’s ambition, a passenger run. So much for physical selection which he must overcome.

The test for courage is no less severe. A man who has railroaded long enough to be promoted from the left to the right side of the cab knows he is assuming a responsibility greater than falls to the lot of any other class of men, not even accepting sea captains. Engineers are far from being blameworthy for all that goes wrong, but, at the same time, all the safeguards a railroad company can provide and all the care a dispatcher can exercise count for nothing if the man at the throttle fails. Upon his vigilance and care the safety of scores, perhaps of hundreds, of lives depends.

[:I] One day two cowboys were riding together out in the desert. The first cowboy had to take a leak, so they stopped by a huge cactus. While the second cowboy was waiting, he heard a scream and a gunshot from behind the cactus, He ran to help his friend and found him lying on the ground, bleeding from the ***. By his side was a dead rattlesnake. The first cowboy knew he had to act fast, and said "You wait here, and don't do any movin' around. I'm going to town for the doctor!"
He rode as fast as he could into town and pulled up at the doctor's office. Running inside, he grabbed the doctor and said "My friend needs you right away. He's been bitten by a rattlesnake!"
The doctor said "Mrs. Cartwright just went into labor, and I have to head out to their ranch to deliver the baby. But here's what you do. Get back to your friend as fast as you can. Make him comfortable. Then you have to find the bite wound, and suck all the venom out of it. Keep sucking until you're sure it's all out. Then, bandage him up and bring him here."
"Ok, Doc" said the cowboy, and rode away on his horse as fast as it could carry him. Presently he got back to his friend, dismounted, and approached him.
"What did the doctor say?" asked the first cowboy.
"He said you're gonna die." [:I]
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:40 PM
For our noble captain-some clarification-

O.K-I play in three different bands--Riptide ( with Missisnick as the singer )
The Hoochie Coochie Band-with Mojo singing
and a blues-rock band called `The Remnants`-this was formerly known as Silvertongue and is the one where the singer took a hike and went off to seek his fortune somewhere up the line leaving us with a load of dates to take care of........
nice one Charlie
right tjhats me done-night guys
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:20 PM
Well well well,Good evening one and all-How are we ?
Right then,I dont know about you lot ,but I`m just hitting my stride-anyone fancy a late one?.......I`m in just the right mood to play all night-you gotta feel sorry for the neighbours
but when the mood takes you....................

[4:-)][oX)]TOM-Apologise for the disturbance-promise not to let the side down-wouldn`t dream of interrupting the tri-part pool/poker/dominoes contest in the back room

Well please excuse my lack of manners in not acknowledging but to be brutally honest,I`m pi**ed as a rat and full of it after a splendidly successful evening out with the band(s)--first public performance with Hoochie Coochie Band an unqualified success and show with Riptide well up on the cutting edge. [^]---feeling very smug at this point in time-audience also very appreciative and Guvnors` of the bar gave us extra money and want us back soon-pix to follow--most likely best if I turn the machine off now-sleep well gents-take care-nick [C=:-)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 6:42 PM
G'day!

[wow] Appears as if we've had one of those droughts that are rather commonplace at the "Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill!" Check the time between Posts . . .

If anyone is at all interested in the C&EI information - suggest you check out "my other thread." Twenty fingers Al has been busy over there with 4 Posts chock full of info .... seems to have forgotten about us here at the bar!<groan> Well, I surely can't put it all on poor old Twenty Fingers - we've got a "slug" of "Stools Members" who have somehow flown the coop ....

Later .... maybe!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:18 PM
G'day Gents!

Rather quiet lately, so I thought I'd introduce a little something posted over on "my other thread." Twenty fingers Al served up the Chicago & Eastern Illinois (C&EI) as the "Theme" over there - a little known road (at least to me). Some research found quite a bit of "stuff" - here's a sample for your reading pleasure:

QUOTE: A Brief History of the Chicago and Eastern Illinois Railroad

The C&EI’s Chicago to Evansville line was created from the consolidation of three railroads, the earliest of these roads dating to January 2, 1849, when the Evansville and Illinois Railroad was chartered to operate between Evansville and Vincennes, IN. The three roads were:

Chicago, Danville & Vincennes (Chicago- Danville, November 1871)
Evansville, Terre Haute & Chicago (Danville-Terre Haute, October 1871)
Evansville & Terre Haute (Terre Haute- Evansville, November 1854).

Although through passenger service was provided over the three roads between Chicago and Evansville almost immediately, the process of consolidating the operations of the three roads was slow. The C&EI name dates to March 8, 1881, and from this point in time, the C&EI exercised some financial control over the Chicago-Evansville line. But, complete consolidation of the properties was not accomplished until July 20, 1911. Also, in the 1890s, the Chicago and Indiana Coal Railroad entered the C&EI fold, giving the C&EI a secondary mainline between LaCrosse, Indiana and Evansville. (A connection was made at Momence between the two mainlines.)

The basis for C&EI growth was coal. Coal was moved from mines in central Illinois and central western Indiana to Chicago. The C&EI’s growth was closely associated with the growth of Chicago. At the same time, the C&EI was developing itself as a bridge-route between the southern states and Chicago. In the longer run, as the demand for coal dwindled, bridge traffic would prove more economically important to the road.

In the early 1890s, the road began building south into southern Illinois. By 1900, the C&EI extended to Thebes, Illinois on the Mississippi River where a ferry connection with the Cotton Belt was begun. In 1904, the C&EI began operating Chicago-Saint Louis passenger service through trackage rights over the CCC&StL (NYC) from Findlay Jct., Illinois to Saint Louis.

Then, the C&EI and Cotton Belt spearheaded the construction of the Thebes Bridge. For the C&EI, the strategic fallout of this action was tremendous. The Frisco, threatened by the alliance of the C&EI and Cotton Belt, proceeded to take over the C&EI on October 1, 1902. This ended the expansion of the C&EI. The bridge itself was completed on April 1, 1905.

For the next eight years, the Frisco exploited the C&EI through exorbitant dividend demands, and the rental of C&EI equipment at below-market rates. When the Frisco entered bankruptcy in 1913, so did the C&EI. The C&EI physical plant was in poor condition following the Frisco. Frisco control also had another effect on the C&EI: it gave the C&EI steam power its handsome Frisco-like appearance.

During World War I, C&EI traffic boomed, but the C&EI remained in receivership until January 1, 1922. When, at last, the C&EI was returned to private hands, the secondary Indiana line was spun off as the Chicago, Attica & Southern. The ill-fated CA&S was entirely abandoned by 1946.

During the 1930s, the Chesapeake & Ohio began to buy up C&EI stock, never exercising any significant control over the road it seems. In any case, because of the depression, the C&EI again entered receivership in 1933, but was back in private hands again at the end of 1940. World War II brought prosperity to the property, and in the immediate war years the C&EI modernized rapidly. For example, the road was entirely dieselized in May 1950, making it the first dieselized road with more than 1000 miles of track. But, modernization was not enough to assure survival; with mergers taking place all around it, the C&EI found its traffic drying up. The C&EI needed to merge too.

Various merger offers were explored, and again, it was a southwest road that found itself threatened by these overtures. In 1961 the Missouri Pacific began secretly (and illegally) buying C&EI stock. When the Missouri Pacific requested ICC permission to takeover the C&EI, the federal agency turned a blind eye to the illegalities; approved the takeover of the C&EI with the stipulation that the Evansville line be sold to the L&N; and effectively deprived C&EI’s other stockholders of stock profits. In short, the Missouri Pacific got the C&EI for cheap.

On May 12, 1967, the Missouri Pacific assumed control of the C&EI. And, on June 6, 1969, the Louisville & Nashville purchased the 206-mile Woodland Junction- Evansville leg along with trackage rights from Woodland to Chicago. Then on October 15, 1976, what remained of the C&EI was merged into the Missouri Pacific.

Today, only a very small portion of the C&EI has been abandoned, that being primarily in Southern Illinois and Indiana. At the beginning of the 21st century the ex-C&EI trackage continues to be used by the Union Pacific (ex-Missouri Pacific) and CSX Transportation(ex-L&N). CP Rail also has trackage rights on the line with their acquisition of the Soo Line (former Milwaukee rights). Their Chicago to Louisville trains operate daily on the old C&EI line. The heavily used line from Chicago to Woodland Junction, nearly 50 trains per day travel on double track mainline, is well worth a visit by any railfan.

THE C&EI IN THE 1945-1955 ERA

PHYSICAL PLANT: Most rail was 115 lb. Secondary main lines were generally of 90 lb. weight. South of Salem, Illinois rail was 90 lb. Ballast was slag, crushed stone, or gravel for the 800 miles of mainline; cinders for the sidings and yards. Track was in top shape everywhere.

MAJOR YARDS: Yard Center (two humps), Dolton, IL; Brewer Yard, Danville, IL; Wansford Yard (new in 1950), Evansville, IN; Baker Yard, Terre Haute, IN; Alice Yard, Vincennes, IN; Villa Grove Yard, Villa Grove, IL; Mitchell Yard, East Saint Louis, IL; Salem Yard, Salem, IL.

SIGNALLING: Until 1952, all C&EI trains on the Chicago-Danville line were controlled by Miller Train Control. In fact, the C&EI pioneered this train control system. In 1947 CTC (centralized traffic control) was in operation between Clinton and Evansville, Indiana. The dispatcher’s office was in Danville. Improved manual block was in operation between Findlay Junction and Pana, Illinois with all turnouts interlocked and controlled from Findlay Junction.

MAIN SHOPS: The C&EI main shops were located in the eastern part of Danville, Illinois. They were medium sized but well-maintained and modern employing over 1200 workers from the Danville area. Most structures dated from the early 1900s, except the paint shop. Facilities were accessed via a transfer table. The C&EI built many of its own boxcars, hoppers and cabooses here. The diesel shop was one of the best in the country. Today the facility still serves railroad industry as a freight car building for Johnstown America.

ROUNDHOUSES: Small roundhouses were maintained at: Yard Center (Dolton, IL); Chicago Heights (CHTT); Villa Grove, IL; Salem, IL; Terre Haute, IN; and Evansville, IN. These roundhouses were used to make running repairs on switch engines, also for the inspection of road units.

TRAFFIC COAL: Bituminous coal was the largest volume item for the C&EI constituting about one-third of all traffic. Coal was the primary traffic in the Westville, Salem and Mt. Vernon, Illinois and the Clinton and Terre Haute, Indiana areas. A major portion of the coal generated by mines on the C&EI was destined for Chicago or the barge loading facility at Joppa, Illinois. At one time even the Elgin Joliet and Eastern had rights on the C&EI from Sidell and Westville to Chicago for hauling coal to the steel mills in the Chicago area.

INTERCHANGE: Because of the C&EI’s numerous connections, bridge traffic was a major source of revenue. More than half of all freight was for interchange, primarily the Louisville and Nashville in Evansville, the Missouri Pacific and western carriers in St. Louis, the Wabash in Danville and numerous carriers in the Chicago area through the Belt Yard and other connections. The IC, NYC, NKP, and PRR were major connections away from the larger cities.

from: http://www.ceihs.org/historians_main_1.html

Perhaps when Al returns, he'll provide his information on the C&EI as well![yeah]

Enjoy![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 8:55 AM
Good Morning!

Just caught CM3s Post before checking out . . .

Sneet, snain and snot (snow, it's not!) What's in an acryonym, eh[?][swg]

The Tuesday Post will be made early enough so that your follow-on(s) will fit quite nicely! Thanx in advance . . . Looks as if these "Theme" days are catching on and it's good to have different folks dropping off their [2c] on the subject. Makes for an interesting and of course, and inclusive atmosphere.

'preciate the coins and round! Herr Wurltizer is looking like he needs to be fed, so Boris fetch some quarters out of Coal Scuttle and let's hear "City of New Orleans" by Willie Nelson - some "Canadian Railroad Trilogy" by Gordon Lightfoot and "Wabash Cannonball" by Roy Acuff. That should put us all in the proper frame of mind this fine day![swg]

Hate to tell you this, but C&O WAS visited, in depth, on 31 Jan 2006, page 234 http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=234&TOPIC_ID=35270

Check out the INDEX I recently Posted - or perhaps "bookmark" it - for future use.

So, "go" with what you "got!"[tup]

Thanx for the movie recommendations - the first is on my "list" - I'll look into the others. Did you check out today's SUMMARY, in particular the COMING ATTRACTIONS at the Gazette[?]

Hope to see ya later on . . .

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, March 3, 2006 8:29 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and some $ for the jukebox. PGE/BCR (RDCs and coal service,) Monty Python, and now Nick's birthday? Reminds me of one of my favorite lines from Bull Durham, "We're dealing with a lot of issues here."

Fawlty Towers - "Don't mention the war!" One of my favorite episodes was Basil the Rat.

Gasoline prices went up 23 cents yesterday - guess somebody sneezed somewhere and the oil futures market caught a cold. Anyway it's $2.39/gal this a.m. Winter is back here for awhile as I drove through rain, snog, snain and all snow on my way to work this a.m.

I enjoyed reading abt. the Zephyrette. I spent a lot of time in Nevada over the years and that's where I encountered the WP.

The California Zephyr was all that was listed for passenger service in 1969.

Here's some information from WP material in the vault.

Trains 17 and 18 - Calfornia Zephyr
Between Chicago and San Francisco

Vista dome club observation sleeper (3 double bedrooms, 1 drawing room)
Sleepers
6 dbr/5 compts.
10 rtte/6dbr
Chair cars
Vista dome cars
Vista dome buffet-club car
Dining car service (Dinner reservations)

As you have heard me say before, it's enough to make you weep.

The Trains issue re diners has a lot of good material in it; they gave, IMHO, a fair assessment of the problems Amtrak faces re food service in today's traveling climate.

I was interested to read the favorable comments on the NH diner, and also to see the Southern ad that featured Louis Price. He was killed in line of duty when the Crescent wrecked in Virginia. I made at least 35 trips on the Crescent and got to know him and many other crewmembers. I need to write up something abpout the Crescent as I haven't done a "notebook" piece in awhile. I did find some stuff I did on the George Washington, however. Question for our 'steamed proprietor - are we going to revisit the C&O anytime soon, or should I post this?

Stand back on SCL day as I have ton of material to post.

Have a good one - I'll try and check back later this p.m.

work safe

P.S. A couple of movie suggestions - how abt. "The Great Locomotive Chase" and for short subjects, "Flight of the Century" and "Rolling the Freight."
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 8:22 AM
Good Morning!

Off to a rather bland beginning to the end of the work week (for some). Things here in mid-Continent USA are looking fine – blue skies, temps again in the 50s, but we’ve got a front coming in that will put us in the “chill” for later this weekend. Petrol is on the rise – but I haven’t been up to “Collusion Corner” to see the prices. What’s new, eh[?]

Looks like our 1st Birthday Bash! is set for this Monday! So, plan to stop by from NOON on and wish our friend, Nick a [bday] befitting this maniac fine fellow from West Wales![swg] His actual Natal Day is Sunday – so, while viewing thePix for our Sunday Photo Posting Day! you may also want to pass along an appropriate greeting to Sir Nick![yeah]

Emails en route to Nick – Lars & Doug[tup]

To the acknowledgments:

nickinwestwales Nick
Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 21:17:34


Saw you lurking in the shadows for quite awhile – then your Post appears immediately on top of mine! Go figure ……[swg]

Anyway, great menu and a return to a degree of ‘normalcy’ at the bar![tup]

When my kids were much younger, I can still hear their laughter at Fawlty Towers which came on the tube in late afternoon. My oldest (late) son used to laugh so hard he’d turn beat red. This poor kid just couldn’t hide it when the teacher would say, “Who did that[?]” His red face would give it away every time![swg] Great stuff from those Brit humorists and to this day, I enjoy it – over ‘n over – ‘n over. The Monty Python VHS selections gather no dust ‘round here … [tup]

Concur with your assessment of the PGE/BCR and absolutely share your feelings about those dismantled engines. Such is “life,” eh[?]

As you have noticed by now – YOUR Birthday Bash! will be held this Monday – from NOON on. So, come prepared, Mate![tup]<grin>

Would have enjoyed listening to your music – hang in there, you’ll figure a way to get it to us.[tup] By the by, I like the name of your band – Riptide – does “it” for me! So, what’s the deal[?] Thought it broke up with the departure of two rather key members. Have we missed something[?]

That village at the end of my point-to-point RDC run on the Can-Am is simply “Can-Am Village!” Innovative, eh[?]

No need to be concerned about the sum and substance of your Friday night Post – stop by if you can find your way![swg]


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 22:28:04 - 22:49:35 & 03 Mar 2006, 00:04:34


Good deal on the model RR “tour”! That will be fine indeed.

That’s an impressive lot of loco’s for the BCR. I loved that livery . . .

Great Pix too! Now, since you MISSED this past Sunday Photo Posting Day! (with a lame excuse at that!) – those Pix do NOT get you out of tomorrow’s event! Be there, or be square!<huh?>


passengerfan Al
Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 06:52:08 and 07:06:40


Enjoyed your Streamliner on the “Zephyrette.” My RDC book has a great chapter on those trains and some wonderful Pix as well. Highly recommended for anyone who “digs” RDCs![tup]


Really only yanking your “chain” regarding office work. There were times in my career, where that aspect of what came with the job really was much more difficult than life in the operational world. Now, when it came to the “scenery,” [yeah] those (ahem) distractions were . . . . well, they were . . . . distractions![swg]


Later![tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 7:28 AM
BIRTHDAY BASH - BIRTHDAY BASH!

As requested by Nick - this coming MONDAY will be his Birthday Bash and let's begin it at NOON (Central time)!

REMINDER: We still have two more Birthday's this month - Doug 'n Lars - so stay tuned for scheduling![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

BIRTHDAY BASH - BIRTHDAY BASH!
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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, March 3, 2006 7:06 AM
PS. Tom You think office work is a snap. I have seven beautiful young ladies surrounding me all in their twenties. I have had to get my prescription for glasses changed twice in one year never happened before or while drivinbg truck I never wore glasses. Only one of the young ladies is married and the office looks and smells like a florist shop with flowere deliveries to one or the other on a daily basis. Even many customers send flowers to the lithe young things. My only consolation is that I have a daughter older than all of them. Truckdriving was never like this.

Iknow off subject so I guess a round is on me today.

PPS anyone of the young ladies could be in Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition.
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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, March 3, 2006 6:52 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #72

ZEPHYRETTE WP Trains 1-2 September 15, 1950 Ogden – Salt Lake City tri-weekly service 924 miles each way 928 miles 23 hours 15 minutes each way

375 RDC-2 Baggage 54- Revenue Seat Coach

376 RDC-2 Baggage 54- Revenue Seat Coach

The first coach section was fitted with more comfortable seats for any long distance travelers that might ride these trains instead of the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. All meals were at station stops and the trains were discontinued in 1962. The ZEPHYRETTES were the longest RDC runs in the world. The two RDC-2s were sold to the NP for further service. Since passes were not honored on the VISTA DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR it was mostly WP crews that traveled the ZEPHYRETTE. Or in my case a railfan eho gave up a chance to ride the CZ and chose the ZEPHYRETTE instead.

TTFN AL
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, March 3, 2006 5:29 AM


We open at 6 AM (all times zones!). (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

Friday and the end of the work week (for many)! Check out the freshly brewed hot coffee and the pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery! Then take a look at our Menu Board with some great selections for our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts!


Daily Wisdom

Congratulations! I knew the record would stand until it was broken.[swg]
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Coast Line/Seaboard Railways – ACL – SAL – SCL arrives next Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 05:22:57 (261) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 05:27:48 (261) Canadian Rwys #3 – BC Railways, Part I

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 07:30:52 (261) Streamliner #71 - Cariboo Dayliner

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 08:01:22 (261) ”Our” Place trainset & joke!

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 08:02:34 (261) PGE Cariboo Prospector info, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 08:14:15 (261) Acknowledgments, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 09:03:55 (261) more Acknowledgments, etc.

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 09:58:28 (262) Canadian Rwys #3 – BC Railways, Part II

(9) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 11:14:30 (262) for Tom

(10) BudKarr BK Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 11:37:20 (262) The BK Report!

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 11:47:29 (262) Inclusive Post & BC Rail Tumber Ridge, Part I

(12) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 13:57:15 (262) The Lars Report ‘n then some!

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 16:35:10 (262) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 16:40:04 (262) Birthday Watch List!

(15) barndad Doug Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 17:59:19 (262) True Tales, Part III, etc. & Joke

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 19:01:54 (262) B’day Special Notice!

(17) pwolfe Pete Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 20:40:28 (262) Inclusive Post, etc.

(18_ nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 21:17:34 (262) Nick at Nite! & Menu!

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 21:19:48 (262) Acknowledgments, etc

(22) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 22:28:04 (262) Inclusive Post, etc.

(21) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Mar 2006, 22:49:35 (262) BCR Loco Roster

(22) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 03 Mar 2006, 00:04:34 (262) PGE/BCR Pix!

NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 26th thru March 4th: Fours a Crowd (1938) starring: Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland & Rosalind Russell – and – Holiday Affair (1949) starring: Robert Mitchum, Janet Leigh & Wendell Corey.

Coming Attractions:
Now with The Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, March 5th thru 11th: North to Alaska (1960) starring: John Wayne, Stewart Granger & Capucine – and – Lost in Alaska (1952) starring: Bud Abbott & Lou Costello. Short: A Pain in the Pullman (1936).


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:04 AM
Okay third and final BC / PGE piece ( pictures only ) Oh Leon another Keith's too BTW please,and here's a fiver for the Tilla the Hun concider it a tip as it were. [tup]



PGE Mike 163 at Lillooet c1949 ( JF Gaarden photo )



PGE train #1 RDC's at Quesnel BC ( JF Gaarden photo )



BC RAIL RDC at North Vancouver c1978 ( JF Gaarden photo )



Finally BC Rail GF6C's pulling a coal train at Tumbler BC c1985 ( JF Gaarden photo )

enjoy Rob

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