QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 28 July 2005, 07:16:36 Good Mornin' to all, wow what a Thread! If you can't find it Here, it just ain't "out there." Only havin' a tall cup-a-Joe please, to get me "kick started" on trimming the shrubs and edging the patio. Tom all the stores are in for Saturday night's B-Day Bash for Russell. Took the liberty of buying (petty cash) Lucy appropriate attire for her "lady-in-the-cake" debut. Don't miss it guys! This time the cake is Devil's Food. All screens are "up" and running and the Juke is set at MAX. "Come one come all!" As soon as the outside lawn work is done, I'll be back (If the temps don't kill me). Rob you have mail, thanks for the great humor from before. Meanwhile, everybody try to stay cool. Boris, where is the pith helmet I wore in? Egad you thought I said pit helmet and used it for garbage? Nick I'm gonna getcha for this..."gonna getcha!" See ya a.s.a.p., Ted
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 28 July 2005, 07:42:25 Top o' the morning' to ya Ted! Yes, seems like the conversations have perked up quite a bit 'round here and all for the better. Getting some good scoop, including personal insights, regarding our favorite subject - Classic Trains! [yeah] Now there's something you must keep in mind regarding Cindy. She's strictly a volunteer 'round here - works full time over at the all female University up the road - faculty of course. She has a part-time job down at Victoria Secret's [?] and wound up helping me behind the bar [yeah]on weekends. Her involvement in the kitchen came about once she met Nick. So, be careful with her ....... Fish 'n Chips AND ....... tonight[?] Sounds like Saturday's plans for the Birthday Bash for our friend, Trainnut484 Russell are well in hand. Good job! So, what kinds of things have you planned during the visit by your nephew [?] Enjoy the breakfast fare ....... that's MY job 'round here, and of course, The Mentor Village Bakery. Tom
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 28 July 2005, 08:41:32 Good Morning All Just time for a quick coffee and a diet pastry from the Mentor Bakery. Tom The CZ Dome Observations cars were the inspiration for the CANADIAN Park cars. In fact Crump from CP was visiting Budd along with the his passenger people when they spotted CB&Q 378 SILVER LOOKOUT in December 1952 getting ready for delivery. They asked the Budd people if they might have a look inside. And from that look the Canadian Park cars were born. The interiors of the Park car and the CZ dome observations were nearly identical with a cocktail lounge beneath the dome with seating for twelve. The cars three bedrooms were first followed by the Drawing Room. The drawing room bathroom annex was equipped with a shower from the factory on SILVER LOOKOUT the other cars delivered earlier were retrofitted with kits supplied by Budd to CB&Q who installed the shower equipment on the cars Chicago layover. The cars due to their Stainless steel construction should still be in reasonable shape. The Bedroom and drawing room dividers and beds etc are quite easy to reinstall on Budd cars just like assembling a kit. Now as to the condition of the car that is anyones guess as it is my understanding it was never equipped with HEP and may have been stripped of many usable parts to keep the others in service. If this is the case then it is hardly worth looking at. Crown Assets has a number of cars for sale but this is the only Dome observation. Hope this helps Tom
QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 28 July 2005, 08:44:45 Hi All Ducked in for coffee before I go home, been thinking about a dream train consist for the 2926. So what would be better? A heavy weight Pullman consist, or the Silversided stuff with the Obvs cars and fluted sites? Muhahah found the pasteries..... Gunns
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 28 July 2005, 08:59:28 Morning Gunns Kevin Glad you made it back ...... [2c] Regarding that dream consist, I just don't see the streamliners (ie: Budd 85' corrugated stainless steel) looking smart with a steam engine. There are some great looking smoothsides that would work just as long as the livery somehow blends in with the loco and tender. Heavyweights would be my second choice to smoothsides. Okay [?] See ya! Tom FOR ALL: PLEASE READ THE SUMMARIES
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 28 July 2005, 09:04:48 Good morning passenger fan Al Great info on the interior of the observation domes. [yeah]I'm aware of the CZ influence on domes, and in particular the obs dome. Wonderful innovation for sure! I just can't get a vision regarding where the shower wound up being installed. You referred to it as an annex. Are you saying that the present day water closet facility had the shower within it, or was additional floor space in the drawing room given up for the shower[?] Foggy picture in my aging head. Thanx! Tom
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 28 July 2005, 10:04:04 THE CUSTOMERS of ”Our” Place as of July 28th, 2005 Al – passengerfan, first visit: 12 April 2005 – 2nd Charter member! Chris – CFournier, first visit: 12 April 2005 – 1st Charter member! ..............coalminer3, first visit: 14 April 2005 Dan – earlydiesels, first visit: 16 April 2005 Dave – West Coast S, first visit: 14 April 2005 *** – wrwatkins, first visit: 2 May 2005 Doug – barndad, first visit: 12 July 2005 Kevin – Gunns, first visit: 28 June 2005 Nick – nickinwestwales, first visit: 27 April 2005 Rob – trolleyboy, first visit: 12 April 2005, Charter Member Russell – Trainnut 484, first visit: 28 June 2005 Ted – Theodorebear (and then some!), first visit: 2 May 2005 That’s the list of folks we see ‘round here. Tom, Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!
QUOTE: wrwatkins Posted: 28 July 2005, 12:59:05 Good afternoon Tom et al. It is lunch time so I will have a big coke and a whole plate full of sweet pastries from the Mentor Bakery. My wife is not here so I can indulge. This will be my last post for about two weeks. Really sad as I cannot get the sad smile face to come up correct. Maybe when I hit the submit key it will appear. As you know we are leaving Saturday for the Ocean train ride from Montreal to Halifax and the visit to the Maritimes. Friday is fairly cut up with meetings, breakfast club, and Bonehead Club at lunch plus a visit to the dermatologist. Plus we have a funeral to go to tonight. UGH! Don't count me out. I shall return. Let me give you my last dialogue from my trip to London. On Tuesday it was a clear and cool morning so I decided to take the Underground to Paddington as taxis are hard to get at the boutique hotels in the morning. Walked the block to Knightsbridge station on the Piccidilly line. I previously told the tale of complete or partial shut downs of the Underground and will not repeat it here. Got as far as Keningston High Street station on the District line where it terminated due to the bombings. Getting a taxi there at 7:30 in the morning was not easy and it took 10 minutes to hail one. Finally reached Paddington at 7:45 AM which is about 1/2 hour later than usual. I checked the monitor to see which track the next train to Reading was departing on. Every train was listed as Cancelled or Delayed. Not a good morning so far. The First Great Western agent said some idiot decided to commit suicide by jumping in front of a train about 10 miles west. The police stopped all train traffic entering or leaving Paddington until they completed their investigation. With four tracks the idiot only fouled one and we could use the other three for trains. I guess the police did not see it that way. The agent said that I could take a 20 minute ride on the Bakerloo line to Waterloo station where a train goes from there to Reading. The Underground is NOT air conditioned and with the mass of rush hour people it was quite warm. By the time I got to Waterloo I was soaked from sweat. The agent at Waterloo said the Reading left on Track 28 just to our left in five minutes. (Wasn't there a Track 28 in Pennsylvania Station per the song?) Remember I said the high speed train from Paddington made it to Reading in 25 minutes. The train from Waterloo was a commuter train that made several stops. I lost count after what seemed like the 528th station. The line from Waterloo is not the most direct line to Reading and I got to call at (as the Brits say) such places as Ascot, Virginia Waters, Twickingham, and a host of others. Finally arrived in Reading at 10:05 and took a taxi arriving at the office at 10:15. The clients were aware of the suicide and came in to kid me asking "How was my ride in today?" I told them they did not realize how close I came to calling and saying I will not be there that day. We all had a good laugh and got into serious work. As I said last week was DIFFERENT. Do not need too many more like it. I seemed like everything was turning into a soft sea of ***. Better get another coke. Those 10 sweet rolls really were good, Tom. My compliments to the pastry chef at the Mentor Bakery. By for now. Will speak to you all again in two weeks. Cheers, ***
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 28 July 2005, 13:25:29 Well back once more before I leave to do some errands for the better half. I'll have a Crown Royal with water back Gunns Your question about what would look better behind 2926. Well they were known to have headed up the all lightweight CHIEFS before the ALCO PA-PB-PA sets took over. Heavyweights would look nice too. The problem with heavyweights is keeping them running today need lots of rust prevention and maintenance whereas the lightweights require less maintenance and little paint. And also the lightweights only have four axles and eight wheels per car compared to the heavyweights six axles and twelve wheels. Lightweights only had one boarding vestibule and heavyweights had two. Lightweights were all equipped with tightlock couplers so there is less wear and tear on equipment then heavyweights.
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 28 July 2005, 13:47:52 Good afternoon everyone.Tom what's the sandwich iof the day ( hope it's ham and swiss )I'll wash whatever it is down with a kieths or two. BTW Tom & Ted you have mail, jusyt got around to it as sympatico's been a bit off this morning. Not to worry Chris it's much better than the aol.Gunns Thanks for your participation on the museum site. I'd have to concur with Tom on your passenger car consist's. Smoothsides would be more than fine. I still say check witht the aquisitions at VIA though that Park car may be a perfecy way of getting all of us to regularly ride the train when it's done. ( Who am I kidding we'll likley come down and run on it anyway. I may be young but steam is where it's at unless it's running of of overhead. . Al The trackside guide is adicting isn't it. You now have in yopur hand s the most mindboggling account of preserved and regular use rail vehicles in Canada private and corporate Their branchline magazine is quite could as well. It acts as a bimonthley update to the trackside guide but with more pictures.tom your granddad seems like quite the guy. A lot like my Great uncle Wilf even down to the cigars ! Those Staten Island third rails are still running aren't they ? I'm off for now 'nother' busy day at the museum tomorrow. BTW Tom this Budd is for you . Take care everyone. Rob
QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 28 July 2005, 14:07:38 Afternoon Tom and the gang.. News from Omaha UP announces that five new SD70ACe will be released in the following pre-merger liverys SP-grey/scarlet, C&NW geen/yellow w/ lighting stripes, WP inspired green/orange, MKT green/yellow and MP blue. Units will be numbered according to year of merger. UP has modifed the paint somewhat to reflect what these colors would look like applied to modern power. Two mystery units are present at Omaha, concealed by blue tarps awaiting unvailing this Saturday in a ceremony which includes 4-8-4 844. Not too classic for this forum, just call it retro-modern and a refreshing change from the Armour Yellow and Grey. So, rejoice that UP has the foresight to pay homage to it's history, despite all the negative press of late. I can't wait to see the end results. TrolleyBoy, I admit to having some affection toward the CF7s, Growing up, the local crew would let me occupy the left hand seat, usual power was set of CF7s. The local worked the WP interchange to deliver coil to the local steel mill. The engineer would stop short of the interchange lead where it was safe to sneak aboard, on one occasion our train received a stop signal when aproaching the manned station, this was unusual as they worked from a switchlist and usually there were no opposing movements. Upon stopping, it was disclosed that the road foreman was boarding. The crew risked disciplinary action if the road foreman caught wind of a unauthorized person aboard. To vanish and this point would invite a query as to who I was. So a plan was hatched and I was then known as the student brakeman. We made the required pickups and drops, shuffled loaded coil cars to mill, retrieved the empties, back to the WP interchange and return to the small yard to tie up. Before the Road Forman departed he passed along a "well done". So that's the story of how I became a unpaid-no employment Santa Fe brakeman for a day. Dave
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 28 July 2005, 14:19:48 That does sound interesting Up's taking a page from some of the other railways. Public image is important. Other notable similarities to this the last 15 years or so would be NS painting the one GP59 in southern Green . CN when they auired IC used the execytive E's that IC had for their business train for a while but they had them repainted to CNR passenger livery of Green / Black / Yellow old super continental scheme. And recently CP has repainted a GP38-2 and an F7 and F9b to the old Maroon and grey Script scheme for use on the Royal Canadian Pacific tour trains along with the reserected Empress Hudson number 2816. Nice to have some colour come back to the rails. IMHO thouigh CPR never should have gotten rid of the classic Maroon and Grey paint schemes or CN the freight Green and Yellow or the Passenger livery.The "classic" paint jobs are well just classy . Later everyone Rob
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 28 July 2005, 14:44:02 Hello *** – as opposed to Howdy Loading up on sweets, hmmmmmm wonder what hidden message that refers to [?] Oh how I envy your VIA Rail trips to and from Halifax, especially aboard the vintage Budd equipment and the obs dome Park Car! Hope it all turns out well for you and your bride and that you return refreshed and ready to meet the challenges awaiting. Like my trip down to Dallas on the 16th!! The only comment I have regarding those who decide to jump in front of trains is: You can’t fix stupid! Tortured souls may be in a better place – who knows[?] Oh [yeah], so what’s wrong with 528 stops [?] Bon voyage! See you in a couple of weeks …….. Tom
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 28 July 2005, 14:46:13 Yo passengerfan Al Surely you read my comments on your comments .... check it out - scroll up a bit. Better lay off that water with the Crown Royal! ] Tom
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 28 July 2005, 14:53:59 G'day Rob Sandwich menu essentially is whatever turns you on! You name it and if it comes in lunch meat and cheese, we've got it! Good stock of frosty cold bottles of Keiths Ale ... ummmmmm! [yeah]The Staten Island Rapid Transit (SIRT) lives on, but under the name of MTA NYC Transit. The only line left runs the length of the Island - about 15 miles - from St. George to Tottenville. Runs generally inland of the eastern shore. Love those photo's! Makes me want to drop everything and fly up to Toronto for a trip along the corridor to Montreal, then board the Ocean to Halifax ....... Whoa! Dejavu, or something like that. DIdn't all of this happen in early May[?} Hmmmmmmm. Must be getting old, can't recall with certainty! Do you happen to know where those photo's were taken and what train these cars were a part of [?} The striping tells me that they aren't the Ocean, and perhaps are still running the Corridor. You tell me! Tom
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 28 July 2005, 15:04:59 Hey West Coast S Interesting stuff you posted regarding the nostalgia livery. I had no idea that modern day railroads even gave a rat's patoot about things like heritage, etc. Refreshing to know that some do. But of course, there's got to be a marketing aspect to all of it. I suppose one should be happy with what they are willing to give! Student Brakeman must have been quite a kick .... what a memory! I've never been in an operating loco cab. One day, one day ......... [yeah] Whatillyahave, by the way[?] We have bills to pay 'round here. Tom
QUOTE: Trainut484 Posted: 28 July 2005, 15:06:59 Good afternoon Tom, and et all . I'll have a Miller Lite and a big sandwich. Dave, those SD70ACes will look erie in the older schemes. I would really like to see the MKT version. Maybe one will crawl through KC. Retro-modern, that's a catchy phrase I also have a little place in my heart (sniff sniff) for CF7s. I wasn't able to see them in regular service, but I do have a nice collection of them in Athearn's RTR line. Kevin, my vote goes for the lightweights. As Al pointed out, their less of a maintenance headache to run. I've had the pleasure to bump into Mr. Stagner a few times. He and I shared a good friend who's now up in the big roundhouse in the sky. Last I saw Lloyd, he was at the Santa Fe mini-meet last year here in Mission, KS. Hopefully he'll be able to come to this year's mini-meet. ***, sorry that you had a bad time across the pond. They should be able to bounce back to normal if they haven't already. Rob, nice pix of the Budd car. Tom, the "Rat's Patoot" room gets a vote from me. Maybe a commode will give it some ambiance . BTW where's Dan-earlydiesels[?]. Ahhhh that Miller Lite went down smooth. I'll have another. Russell
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 28 July 2005, 16:34:59 G'day Trainnut484 Russell Big sandwich comin' up and Miller Lite! The sandwich is one of our yard stick specials, you get a free beer with every foot you eat! All the conversation regarding the nostalgia paint jobs really is enlightening to me in that I had no clue ....... really, didn't. Most of the people that I've come in contact with who are high up on the food chain of whatever their company happens to be involved with seem to be of a totally different background and training than in my day. Good Gawd Gertie, I DO sound like an old man - well, perhaps that's because some people think I are one! Anyway, nice to know there are some folks sitting in the big-backed chairs who call the shots in some directions we can all appreciate. Anyway, I've never been much of a train watcher in the sense that I've never gotten into my car and gone anywhere simply to watch trains go by. There WERE exceptions when my 3 kids were little ones. There was a great train station just outside of Cincinnati, Ohio called the Madeira Train Station - oh how the kids loved to sit on the tailgate of our station wagon and watch those trains rumble through. Come to think of it, so did I! [yeah]We'd all look forward to doing that when visiting Grandma & Grandpa ....... [yeah] Retro-modern – [yeah]I can dig it! Hey, it's summer and I hope our guys have more to do than sit in front of a computer screen, when there are so many other things to do! Drinking beer comes to mind! See ya! Tom
QUOTE: [bTheodorebear Posted: 28 July , 17:34:08 Sorry so late getting back to "Our" Place. No matter, the culinary chores are under control with Baked, Sea Bass (stuffed with Md. crab meat), Butterflied Shrimp saute in white wine and garlic, fried Grouper open faces sandwiches w/tarter or cocktail sauce. I must run again for my Nephew is at the door. More on this later. Bon apetit, enjoy today's fine catch. I must catch up on Summaries before any further comments. See ya soon, Ted
QUOTE: earlydiesels Posted: 28 July 2005, 19:54:11 Hello everyone. I'll take a Margarita on the rocks, please. I had a response earlier today but in the middle of it, the computer crashed! Been reading the summaries and here goes some things that I had to take notes on.( I suffer from CRS) Theodorebear, the Leaky Roof line and the rr you speak of are different. The KC,StJ,&CC was a narrow gauge line, if memory serves. The Midland's General Manager has been researching this road for years and recently gave a talk on it at their NRHS meeting. Missed that. Are you for certain that being manager of Our Place is a promotion or a demotion?? Gunns, I agree that the lightweight cars would be better for your loco, but my sense of esthetics believes heavyweights would look better behind it.BTW, what kind of air brake schedule is the loco equipped with? Our 1943 Baldwin has the #8. Wow! UP might not be so bad after all. Plans to have new power painted for predecessor roads sounds classy. I thought that only happened in Canada. I have a fondness in my heart for the Katy. Behind the Frisco, I'd venture that Katy was my second favorite rr. Must be the underdog complex! Mopac was in Spfld, too, but I don't have many feelings for them. Liked their Bicentennial units when they came thru, however. What's even better is that UP is honoring these fallen flags with EMDs. I can't stand GEs. Tom, you say you have never been in the cab of a working engine? I will change that if you ever show up at the Midland this fall. I must have been real young when I had my first cab ride as I don't remember it and there is no one around to ask. In high school, I rode with my stepdad on his evening switch job several times. Even had an official drive us to Steak n Shake for dinner one night. He knew who I was and did not care so long as I behaved. Here in Spfld, there is a plan to separate 3 major crossings from the rails. Back in the early 70s, Frisco built a new line on the outskirts of town to eliminate street running and tying up major crossings. Now the city has grown up and the new line is so busy that several vital arteries are plugged when a train comes. They are studying what to do with the streets. On the news yesterday, the reporter said 88 trains a day come thru. I think they must be counting switching moves, light engines, etc. On Monday night, a meeting is planned to discuss this and I plan to attend. It will probably be a fiasco but I won't know until I go.
QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 28 July 2005, 20:07:01 Evening Tom and the gang... Trainnut484.. Information I have is that the MKT unit will have silver trucks and fuel tank and revised striping pattern, but the familar green will be present. Being in KC, with UP nearby you will likely encounter all versions as they will be assigned system wide for maxium public exposure. Trolleyboy.. I agree that the The maroon/ grey should never had been abolished, ditto for the Maple leaf logo and maple green paint on the CN. Great looking paint jobs from the good old days. I wonder if there is any chance of either road reviving the IC chocolate and orange at some date perhaps. One more snappy job in my opinion. CSX can get in on the retro modern as well, citrus and purple of the SCL & ACL for example , talk about a mind blower! I don't know about sheer ugliness, the CF7s had a down to business homely look to them, not the worst conversion job out there, they would shake like Donald Trump undergoing an IRS audit and wallowed like Rosie O'Donald in a thong bikini, but they versitile and saved the Santa Fe untold dollars for replacement locomotives. I don't think we will ever see the complete demise of the 1st generation geeps or SDs. UP made the fapah of retiring the former SP SD7-9s upon merger, only to discover it had no suitible replacement for the type of service they were traditionally assigned to. As long as parts and creativity from the rebuilders exist they will remain an option for roads without large pockets. Another round for the house, what are we having? Pontificating does that to me, so ordered by the Royal Order of the Patoot Dave
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 28 July 2005, 21:23:04 Good evening Ted Glad you took a minute to check the ktichen - seems like the Fish 'n Chips are going well, as always - and of course your culinary delights that you posted on the Nick's Picks board over there ....... Good job and thanx! Yes - check the SUMMARIES - these pages seem to by flying by of late ........ that's good for "Our" Place Email received and responded to. Thanx! Tom
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted:28 July 2005, 21:32:38 Hello early diesels Dan Appreciate your taking the time to catch up - makes me feel that the SUMMARIES are worth the effort. I checked all of the posts today - from page 1 to present - man oh man has this place taken on a life of it's own! Having a small group of interested participants is far, far better than those threads where there just isn't any continuity. Thanx to guys like you, we're doing fine! The Midland is on my places to visit list and believe me, I'm looking forward to it. While I haven't had that locomotive cab experience - yet - I've been on the bridge of many a vessel far out in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans! Driving ships, so to speak, is just a tad different, and yet similiar to running trains. Ships have limitations insofar as the bottom of the pond is concerned, whereas trains can only go where the tracks have been placed. Both cannot stop on a dime. Enjoy the evening 'round here and see ya soon! Tom
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 28 July 2005, 21:45:16 Hi West Coast S Dave I believe I'm more of a listener than a participant when it comes to the current dialogue going on regarding the retro paint schemes. As mentioned previously, I haven't (yet) gotten serious about train watching. Riding, now that's a far different story! Interesting how the patoot thing is catching on! [yeah]The term hasn't (yet) made the censor's list, and somehow it just fits doesn't it[?] I would consider an Order of the Patoot, but as discussed with several guys by Email regarding our Order of the Stools, we've decided against using Royal Why[?] The Committee on Minutia has decided that royalty doesn't really fit in 'round here in that our sovereign is the discussion of Classic Trains rather than allegiance to a particular person. [wow]So, [yeah]- you and I are now members of the Order of the Patoot] along with any others out there who share the similar disdain we've expressed for things like those beautiful Alco PA's winding up pulling freights, or mixing up the livery, or ......... Ring the bell Boris, the man with the big bucks is buying for the house! Oh, I see Leon the Night Man has arrived, so I'm checking out! See ya! Tom
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 28 Jul 2005, 23:52:55 Good evening gentlemen and others ( Boris/ ) I think that if you are going to have a ”rat's patoot" room you need to mount some large mostly ornimental mouse traps on the wall just a thought. Tom i think I'm going to partake in some of Ted's grouper I've not had it since my last visit to Florida that was many moons ago. Tom That budd car was/is in regular service on the corridor. I shot that three weeks ago on train 79 in my hometown of Brantford all budd consist Sarnia to Toronto union all stops train. Normally two or three of the ten VIA's we see at the station are all budd consists. The rest are LRC The one that runs through to Kingston and Montreal usually have a head end baggage car in tow as well. These are all coach trains other than that however. The only food service is the "snack cart " west coast The thought of Rossie in a thong is just plain wrong wow even boris is cringing at that thought. The e units I mentioned were originally painted in the orange and brown scheme. But who knows perhaps the UP repainting will really take root. Wonder what an SD75 would look like in the Green and Yellow Maple leaf scheme. HMMMM BTW I've only seen one real life CF7 working( on a Florida shortline) A friend sent me a picture of it last year. Russell this shot's for you. //NOTE: Scroll up for PIX// { Dan Oddley enough i've never ridden in the cab of a live locomotive ( only our running equipment at the museum. all are passenger type cars though) As Tom has indicated the Midland 's on the short list of places to see for me as well. Well gentlemen one last museum day for yours truly tomorrow so I'm off for now. I see Leon has my lunch for tomorrow wrapped up so a bid you all good night. Rob
QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 29 July 2005, 02:21:33 Evening Leon... et all. Coffee please,and a sammich. I think my Rail fan mentality was started by my granfather when he gave me a plastic floor train when I was 3..... I wore that thing down to the roofs shoving it around the house, one of my earliest memories. for Prototypes it was the S.P. It ran through Phoenix where I grew up, and it didnt hurt that I lived near Durango Colo. in the summers, where one of the congregation was the roundhouse forman for the D&RGW, about 16 or so I "got" some cab rides.... ended up shoveling for it though, 4.5 tons up and .5 ton down from Silverton.... Gunns
QUOTE: barndad Posted: 29 July 2005, 06:27:23 Good morning Tom and all! I'll have my usual ice tea, and whatever is fast! I've got the day off, and have to get busy squandering it! I forget who it was who asked if we used guarded frogs at IRM. Nope .. can't do it because of the wider wheels on the Decapod. Though ... I do tell kids that they need to leave the museum grounds at closing because that's when we release the giant patrol frogs. Rob, I'll be at the IRM today just to walk around and take some pics. I'll be looking for things that might be of interest to you. Gunns, did I really read you plan to make a trip here? I still haven't verified the work order number for the builders plate for the 2903, nor do I know the month in 1943. I'll work on it. I sure read a lot of great stories and get far more info than my little brain can assimilate in this terrific thread. My actual train experience doesn't go much beyond just enjoying the sight of trains, and my experiences at IRM. Aside from commuting to the city (Chicago), I finally booked a trip in early December that is going to Springfield with "The 20th Century Railroad Club." The Chicago chapter of the "Locomotive and Historical Society" will not meet again until September. Those are the 3 groups of which I am a member, but it's amazing just how many train enthusiast groups there are in the area! Ya'll have a great day at work! Did I mention I'm goofing off today?
QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 29 July 2005, 07:55:48 Morning Tom et all, More coffee.... it was a long night. barndad Yeah I'm planning on coming up, but it will be at least 3 or more months, for the 2900s the month doesn’t matter they just put the year on the plate. It will probably be a quick 2 or 3 day trip, mostly to look at a cab that hasn’t been trashed by park vandals, and to make some latex molds from plates if I can. Do you have the double sided steam gauge for the 2900s? 5030 has the body but the works have been smashed, also the club will need to come up with an "ATS" as the ones installed on the 2900s were removed and placed on the Diesel fleet. While I have the pattern finished I need to get the foundry furnace done, and the refactory surface flasks and stuff ready time to go home and sleep..., Gunns
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 29 July 2005, 08:32:23 Good Morning All Just time for coffee and a pastry fro the Mentor bakery. Tom The Shower was incorporated in the bathroom annex The toilet shower doubled for both purposes similar to those in Amtraks deluxe bedrooms today.
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 29 July 2005, 09:09:57 Good morning passengerfan Al Thanx for the response and info! That term, annex kinda threw me off - whenever I think of an annex it generally means something separate and apart - more like adjacent to. Sorry - but words to me are meant to be defined. All of the water closets within the drawing rooms of those Park Cars have been located within the room, rather than adjacent to them. Sooooooooo, I now have the proverbial big picture. Ahhhhh, life is good. By the by, you should have received your Email by now regarding the Order of the Permanent Stools. Enjoy! Tom
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 29 July 2005, 09:27:01 G'day all! For those of us who have been discussing the retro livery on some loco's lately - UP, especially, check out this URL: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40876 It may be far fetched, but it does offer another insight to it all. Comments Tom FOR ALL: PLEASE READ THE SUMMARIES!
QUOTE: earlydiesels Posted: 29 July 2005, 14:08:02 Hello all! A cold, bottomless draught please. Barndad, I knew IRM would not have any self guarded frogs. When the Russian Revolution occurred, those Decapods were adapted to domestic service by several ways, depending on the source. Usually the drive wheels and tires were left as is, which led to problems with this style of frog. I like the guard frogs on patrol. Kind of like when I used to Civil War reenact, we'd go to a restaurant, store,or etc, and be in uniform. The strange looks we'd receive would be met by the explanation that we were militant Amish. Theodorebear, I stand corrected about the KC,StJ & CC. There was a narrow guage steam rr that used to run thru Independence and that area that in my mind was this road. CRS is a terrible thing. Tom and Trolleyboy, let me know when you can make it to the Midland. The best bet would be a regular service weekend instead of a special event.
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 29 July 2005, 14:20:52 G'day earlydiesels Dan Good to see ya! One frosty cold, bottomless draught right in front of ya! Ain't no way anyone from this place would venture a trip to the Midland without first letting you know about it! Geesh - after all, you're buying the first couple of rounds! As I've indicated - the fall is when I'm thinking about it. Weekends for me might prove a bit difficult - but we can work that out as we get closer to the date. Militant Amish [?] Enjoy! Tom
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 29 July 2005, 14:31:09 One of our guys has brought it to my attention that he hasn't seen the listing for the Order of the Stools in awhile .... so here it is: Order of the Stools Permanent Stool Chris First customer, Barrister and Quebec connection Permanent Stool Ted Manager of “Our” Place and interim Chief Chief . Customer with unparalleled good cheer and determination Permanent Stool Nick Chief Chef of “Our” Place and customer supreme from West Wales Permanent Stool Trolleyboy Rob If it concerns street cars, talk to me! – and Ontario connection Permanent Stool Passengerfan Al Walking, talking “Classic Train” aficionado and author from California Reserved Stool *** Watkins Rail aficionado , enthusiast, world traveler – and Texas connection Reserved Stool earlydiesels Dan Restorations are us! … And train lover at large Reserved Stool West Coast S Dave California man of mystery , real and model rail enthusiast, and west coast connection Reserved Stool coalminer 3 Northeast rail aficionado and West Virginia connection Reserved Stool Gunns Kevin Machinist, loco restorationist supreme and New Mexico connection Reserved Stool Trainnut484 Russell AT&SF and rail enthusiast, model railroader and Kansas connection. There will be a meeting in August of the Selection Committee to consider additions and changes in status amongst the members. Tom’ (Siberianmo) Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 29 July 2005, 14:35:00 THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT ”Our” Place: 1. This is a cyber bar ‘n grill for adults who appreciate Classic Trains – real and model – and enjoy a bit of humor while discussing them. 2. This thread was started as an alternative to those where hit ‘n run postings are the norm. Here, we strive to be inclusive with all who participate as regulars. There will be those who stop by to check us out and they will receive an appropriate [welcome] from the Proprietor along with encouragement to join us. Keep in mind, this is not the typical thread seen elsewhere. One has to earn a regular place at this bar. 3. To be a regular all one needs to remember is to participate and contribute to the topic on a regular basis. 4. We have a Birthday Watch List for all regulars. To sign up, just provide your birth date (month-date-year). We’ll schedule a cyber Birthday Bash for you on the day of your choice. 5. We have an Order of the Stools Club whereby regular customers of the bar receive recognition as either permanent or reserved holders of ”Our” Place bar stools. 6. We feature SUMMARIES of postings by our customers. They are provided to help with catching up on periods of absence. They also contain relevant information at the beginning for all customers. 7. The bar is CLOSED on Sunday and Christmas Day. However, submissions may be dropped off in the mail slots on either set of front doors. 8. The Proprietor of “Our” Place only asks that you enjoy yourself while here, but requests that before posting information, take the time to catch up with what you may have missed. To do otherwise turns this thread into what we’ve been trying to avoid. Thanx! Tom (Siberianmo) Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!
QUOTE: Trainnut484 Posted: 29 July 2005, 16:57:47 Good afternoon Tom and all . I'll have a Miller Lite. Kevin, I will admit I'm a little jealous of your new "girlfriend". She's a great catch . If this leads to marriage, then the saying is true; [you are married to your work.] . Ohhh I kill myself sometimes . Ted, let me buy you another bouble durbon . I never brought my conscience when drinking out, because the second opinion didn't matter. Of course, that was when I was single and had disposable income. Tom, don't get onto Boris if he wants to dab into the cake icing tomorrow night. Might I suggest a moosehead with a toilet seat around its neck as the official art piece for the "Rat Patoot" room? I'll have another Miller Lite. Russell
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 29 July 2005, 17:09:42 G'day Trainnut484 Russell We're looking forward to your Birthday Ba***omorrow at 7:30 PM CDST (Central Time)! Boris is not of this world and one should be verrrrrrry carfeful when he's permitted to be around women! He's a strange farkle to say the least. The only guy who could control him was Nick and it appears we've lost contact there ......... By all means, go ahead and use that Moose Head in the basement store room. I'm sure we've got a broken toilet seat somewhere down there. Boris saves everything! Nice touch for the Rat's Patoot Room! Ready for 'nother one Tom
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 29 July 2005, 17:49:36 Good evening all How about a double Crown Royal hold the water Tom may have been right about it giving me CRS. When Pullman Standard and Budd began putting a separate small bathroom attached to each Bedroom and Compartment following WW II they began referring to these bathrooms as the annex. Actually Budd was the first to refer to the separate facilities as the annex. Budd was also the first company to separate Bedrooms and Compartments from bathrooms or toilets whatever one prefers. All prewar Compartments and Bedrooms had the toilet right in the room. Pullman Standard did not get the message until Budd began separating them following WW II. The first postwar sleeping cars turned out by Pullman still had the toilets in the Bedrooms such as those in the EMPIRE BUILDER and the SUPER CHIEF Blue Series early Regal series cars. From what I have been able to learn it was probably late 1948 before P/S began using separate annexes for the toilets in all bedrooms and Compartments once again following Budds lead.
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 29 July 2005, 19:46:50 Evening passengerfan Al Hold the water, now you've got it! An interesting twist, but for the life of me, I'm still not with it .... In the present day Park Car drawing room (triple bedroom, as it sometimes is referred to now), the toilet facilities are located within a compartment in the room. However, there is no shower in it. So, that's called an annex [?] Oh well, so much for definitions ...... In fact, the Park Cars do not have a shower room (that would be an annex to me) you have to go the adjacent car to find one. On the Ocean it would have been a Chateau series whereas on the Canadian it more than likely would be a Manor series. Okay, enough of that! Hope you have a relaxing weekend, maybe even take some time to do something other than work on your book! Tom
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 29 Jul 2005, 21:43:10 Time for one more Crown Royal and a round for the gang. Dont mean to butt in on someone else's question or answer but was just writing about the Pullman Bradkley cars in another book I am working on. Theodorebear the Pullman/ Bradley car are those Pullman cars built in the old Osgood Bradley plant in Massachusetts. The cars most associated with this plant are the so called American Flyer cars both prewar and postwar. Not all of the so called American Flyer cars were built in the Pullman/Bradley plant but all of the prewar were and except for the New Haven Observations and some of the diners all postwar American Flyer design cars were constructed in Worcester. Besides the American Flyer design cars they also constructed many of the C&NW Bi-levels as well. This plant also constructed some other cars that I am tracing down now.
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