Good morning Tom and friends! I’ll have the usual two light breakfasts. I thought our photo day went fine yesterday. Nice to see Tom add his heralds, and here’s a layout link for Eric http://web.mac.com/ericx2000/iWeb/11CBF6EE-7F65-4644-8846-6B6ECC1816D8/Photos.html. Thanks for your words Peter, and of course the great pix! James provided another Milwaukee Road News, and to answer your question, we have a 5-mile mainline at IRM. Here’s some more info on the CS&SB to read with your coffees:
Interurban Coaches – Chicago South Shore & South Bend Railroad Co.
The South Shore line between Chicago and South Bend, Indiana is today the only survivor of America’s once vast interurban railroad system which still offers passenger service. However, over the years, the South Shore has evolved into a modern, electrified mainline railroad complete with unit coal trains. Today’s South Shore bears little resemblance to the traditional interurban railroads.
Ironically, when interurban railroads were in their hayday (1910-1920), the South Shore was one of the weakest companies in the industry. The line was constructed in 1907 and 1908 and began service to South Bend in 1909. The line was superbly engineered, and could handle standard freight cars over its entire length. It was a noticeable departure from the typical interurban practice of constructing hairpin, streetcar style around every courthouse square in their paths, and proved critical to the railroad’s long survival. Nevertheless, the railroad did very poorly in its first years, primarily because it could not operate trains to downtown Chicago. Instead, it operated only to Kensington (120th Street), where passengers had to change to steam powered Illinois Central commuter trains. This proved unpopular and prevented the road from attracting the volume of business that it anticipated.
The railroad was saved by two developments in the 1920’s. The first was the Illinois Central’s electrification of its suburban lines. This allowed the South Shore to begin operating its trains directly into downtown Chicago from Kensington beginning in 1926 and greatly its passenger business. The second was the acquisition of the road by interests associated with utility magnate Samuel Insull in 1925. The new Insull management poured vast amounts of new capitol into the road in 1925, rebuilding the railroad for high speed service and acquiring a completely new fleet of passenger equipment. For a short time, the road even offered dining and parlor-observation cars, but these services were terminated during the depression. Also, with the traffic leverage of the Insull utility empire behind it, the new management was able to secure large volumes of carload freight.
Top and bottom interior pix are obviously unrestored
Like its sister Insull roads in the Chicago area (the Chicago, Aurora & Elgin and the North Shore), the South Shore survived the collapse of the interurban industry in the 1930’s. Unlike them, it also survived the post-World War II automobile boom. The profits from its heavy freight traffic were long able to offset its passenger losses, and allowed its passenger service to survive into an era when public transit subsidies became available. The South Shore’s passenger service today is operated by the Northern Indiana Transportation District.
Here’s the furnace!
For over 40 years, the South Shore operated with cars like these, acquired in the road’s 1920’s modernization. All of the road’s coaches were originally similar in size and appearance. During World War II, many cars were lengthened by splicing in a new center section. After the war, some of the lengthened cars also received streamliner style “picture windows” and air-conditioning. The additional weight added by the lengthening and air-conditioning equipment did nothing to improve the riding qualities of cars that, as originally designed, were already the heaviest interurban cars ever built.
In 1983, all of the South Shore’s 1920’s vintage cars were replaced by modern, stainless steel cars which are currently in operation.
Time for me for me to get to work!
G’day Gents!
Monday, Monday, can’t trust that day! (Mamas & the Papas) Here we go again with the start of another work week (for many). Begin it right here with some freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee, pastries from the Mentor Village Bakery and a selection from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast!
What’s THAT, you say It’s the Christmas Train that circles the bar on our elevated track system. For those who don’t know – it was a gift to the bar from barndad Doug for our 1st Christmas last year! It will remain atop my morning Post ‘til the end of the year.
We have 3 more days of temps near or at 70 (F), then the bottom drops out on Thursday, so “they” say. It’s been a fantastic run of beautiful weather – late fall and early winter is on the way!
Noticed quite a bit of activity late yesterday and into the evening. For what used to be a daylight event, the Sunday Photo Posting Day! has taken on a new direction. Also noted that we’re into the narratives and inclusive Posts – which are all fine – but the intent of being CLOSED on SUNDAYs was to give those of you a break from cyber space for one day of the week. It’s fine with me if you guys want to keep ‘er going, but the bar will remained CLOSED. <grin> Remember, any Posts must be dropped thru the mail slots in either set of front doors after 2 PM (when the food service ends) if you want ‘em to be seen!
Lars at 11:07 AM yesterday: Dare I mention it The Giants meltdown may very well have put them outta the hunt as their losing streak continues. <grim> Best game on the tube ‘round here was the Bears – Patriots. Couldn’t believe “da Bears” didn’t pull that one out given that the Pats coughed up the ball 5 times! Didn’t watch the evening match up with the Colts – Eagles; figgered Indianapolis would win it, especially with McNabb out of the mix. And in the “who cares?” department: Our Lambs (aka: Rams) squeaked one out in the final seconds against the 49ers. Two mediocre teams going no where with one guaranteed to be the winner. <groan> Meanwhile the Arizona Buzzards (aka: Cardinals) dropped another – that puts ‘em at 2-9 – another losing season for Bidwell’s Birds.
Thanx for the book ‘n magazine covers – a feature here on Sunday Photo Posting Day!
Doug at 11:09 AM yesterday: Fine IRM shots and makes me wonder if the day will ever come when developers encroach on that property. Surely hope not, for places like those MUST remain part of our landscape, otherwise visual history goes the way of the “Do-Do Bird,” eh Thanx for participating in our Sunday Photo Posting Day! Something you’ve always supported, circumstance permitting.
Loved that story at the end – some real life messages in it along with humor. One to save, fer sure, fer sure!
Eric at 5:20 PM yesterday: First, here’s your URL:
http://web.mac.com/ericx2000/iWeb/11CBF6EE-7F65-4644-8846-6B6ECC1816D8/Photos.html
(might have to copy 'n paste)
Nice work!
Pete at 7:27 ‘n 7:49 PM yesterday: Really happy to see ya back at the Tavern by the Tracks! Wonderful INCLUSIVE Post, Pix and discussion items!
Yes, SPAMALOT was at the Fox Theatre and in fact closed yesterday. It was quite a successful run at the box office, so I’ve heard. Shows that Brit humor thrive
SOMETHING SPECIAL WILL BE POSTED CLOSE TO NOON TODAY –
WATCH FOR IT!
Tom
during the month of November
Caveat: Much of the information appearing was gathered from internet sources, with credit to “Colin Churcher’s Railway Pages” at http://www.railways.incanada.net/
* 1853, November 10th - The Great Western Railway opens its main line between Hamilton to the Suspension Bridge at Niagara Falls. The Great Western went on to build, lease or buy other railways throughout Southern Ontario, and it can be claimed to be the first Canadian system. Other sections opened as indicated:
- 1853, December 31 - Hamilton to London. - 1854, January 27 - London to Windsor. - 1854, August 21 - Galt branch.
* 1855, November 17th - The Grand Trunk Railway opens its broad gauge line from Montreal to Brockville.
* 1856, November 1st – 2nd - The opening of the Grand Trunk Railway is celebrated in Montreal:
- 9 a.m. - general procession through the city. - 2 p.m. - banquet in the large building belonging to the company at Point St. Charles. - 8 p.m. - torchlight procession and fireworks. 9 a.m. (next day) - steam boat excursion to Victoria bridge; inauguration of the new city waterworks. - 2 p.m. - grand military review. - in the evening - grand illumination and ball at the Bonsecours Hall.
* 1872, November - The Grand trunk line between Sarnia and Buffalo via Stratford and London as well as the St. Mary’s branch is changed from 5' 6" to standard gauge. The actual work was done in 18 hours.
* 1883, November 18th - railways adopt a standardized system of keeping time that uses hour-wide time zones.
* 1884, November 1st - The Harbour Grace Railway, the first railway on Newfoundland, is opened for traffic between St. Johns and Harbour Grace. The last spike was driven by Prince George, later to become King George V, who was at the time visiting Newfoundland as a midshipman aboard H.M.S. Cumberland.
* 1885, November 1st - First train service established over CP between Montreal and Winnipeg via Ottawa, Sudbury and the Lakehead.
* 1885, November 7th - The last spike is driven in the first Canadian transcontinental main line at Craigellachie B.C. in the Eagle Pass. Van Horne makes his famous fifteen-word speech "All I can say is that the work has been well done in every way".
* 1885, November 8th - The CP special train arrives in Port Moody at Pacific Tidewater, the first railway train ever to travel across Canada from sea to sea.
* 1887, November 2nd - the Canada Atlantic Railway commences using the first passenger cars in Canada to be fitted with electric light.
* 1887, November 10th - Canada Atlantic Railway commences heating passenger cars by steam from the locomotive thus eliminating the danger of fire from stoves. This is the first such use in Canada. The railway completed the conversion of its entire passenger fleet in October 1891 thus becoming the first railway in Canada to use steam exclusively to heat its passenger rolling stock
* 1905, November 24th - The Canadian Northern completes track laying into Edmonton. The last spike, a silver one, was driven by the Lieutenant-Governor of Alberta.
* 1908, November 12th – A formal inspection and opening ceremony took place for electric operation through the St. Clair Tunnel between Sarnia and Port Huron. This ended steam operation which had asphyxiated several crew members.
* 1909, November 3rd - Canadian Pacific officially opens the viaduct on the Crows Nest Pass Line at Lethbridge, 5,327 feet long and with a maximum height of 314 feet above Oldman River. This is the highest railway bridge in Canada.
* 1918, November 20th - By order in Council P.C. 2854 the management of the Canadian Government Railways is entrusted to the Board of Directors of the Canadian Northern Railway Co. On the same day the Government takes over the Canadian Northern Railway and appoints a new Board of Directors.
* 1919, November 2nd - A Canadian Pacific special train conveys the Prince of Wales returns to Montreal from Toronto. Locomotives 2225 and 2231 were used. The Prince ran the locomotive from Flavelle to Trenton (20.9 miles) on the return trip.
* 1925, November 1st – 4th - Canadian National diesel electric car No. 15280 maks a run from Montreal to Vancouver in a total elapsed time of 72 hours and an actual running time of 67 hours 7 minutes. World records were set for endurance, economy and sustained speed.
* 1925, November 7th - The bridge across the Second Narrows, Burrard Inlet, Vancouver, BC, is opened.
* 1933, November 9th - Canadian National opens the line to Lynn Lake, Manitoba.
* 1951, November 1st - Canadian National completes transfer of ownership for its purchases of the 26 mile Montmorency divisi
Hello Tom
Pint of Cider for me please
Swift visit today - have reveiwed the posts but many I need to return to (enjoyed Pete's mobile phone sketch for Monty Python - excellent). Bit limited in time and will be away from the 'puter tommorrow so won't be able to post anything on Boat Train's for the Theme day - however, I have some stuff to post so maybe a 'better late than never' post will be acceptable later in the week.
Good wishes to all - some great posts which I will return to - thanks folks
DL
Until the next time!
Lars
Hey guys-I`m back !!! -combination of extreme weather earlier last week and an unexpected and unavoidable trip away have conspired against me here-gotta keep it short as we have another huge storm just breaking and have no wish to end up as "Dead hippy found welded to burnt out computer" type headline
Trust I find you well and have noted postponement of boat trains theme day
Round for the house pleas Leon and I`d better close her down `til it settles out there
nick
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Holdens Golden Glow and a round please LEON for my rather late appearence.
JAMES Thanks for the info on the locos on the layout, and for the details of the UP locos in my pics. These locos work the evening local frieght to some premises on Industrial Drive, this involves some running down the center of a street for a short distance.Unfortunatly it seems to run after the sun as set, and it seems to run at a later time in the summer. There is a lot of hooting from the locos as they have to cross Industrial Drive to get to some of the factories, they can be heard very well from the house here.It is usually the older looking, to me, locos on this service, I have often wonder where the train originates from and goes to, it must be Kansas City or St Louis I suppose.
Enjoyed the Milwaukee Road News #4 on the BI-Polars. I will certainly have a good look at the survivor of the class the next time I am at the St Louis Transportation Museum, an impressive loco which saw many years of service indeed.
DOUG Glad you liked the pics. It looks like the Chicago South Shore & South Bend will have to be another must for 2008. I dont suppose that the preserved Little Joe has any chance of running a railfan tour over some of the lines. The 5 miles of running line at the IRM is very impressive, some of the preserved lines in England are not that long.
Many thanks for you and Tom for putting the link to ERIC's photos of the wonderful model layout. Very much enjoyed the narrative to the pics, the loco depot certainly was like a Sunday morning with the locos ready for another work week. Do you think that the Red Garter Saloon would hold a "Friendly" darts match with the Mentor Inn.
LARS Thanks for the kind words. Like you I hope we see BK in again soon. Although I dont know too much about American Football I thought the Giants would have a good season this year. The Brides team the KC Chiefs seem to be doing a bit better of late, we are due to see them in at couple of weeks against San Diego.
NICK Hope you survive the storm OK Do you think you are getting more of them in your part of the country in recent times. I noticed in my part of England that it seemed the winds were a lot stronger than they used to be.
TOM Yes it is good to be back at the bar I will try to get in earlier but today as been one of those days..It does not seem a year ago that Doug's Christmas train was on show at Our Place, time flies indeed
I see the Boat Trains as been postponed, I have done some research on them on the ex LMS system and there is not a lot on the web. I see Wikipedia,s list of named trains has many missing, My stuff is due over from England later this week and I will have a look through the books to see if I can get some info on some I knew ran but as I am not 100% sure of the routes etc I am a bit loathe to post them.
I will post Alans Nottingham trip when DL is back.
November was another busy month in the history of Canada's Railways, great link as well. They certainly knew how to celebrate in those days with the 2 day bash at the opening of the Grand Trunk Rly. The gauge change in 18 hours is another sign of how things were able to be done in those days,(like the Great Western Railway of Britain which changed from Broad Gauge to standard gauge over a lot of its West Country main line in a single weekend in 1892) Despite the modern equipment availiable I just wonder how long the same task would take today, probably weeks if not months.
November 1887 saw two big changes in passenger travel with the advent of steam heating and the electric lighting of the cars. I know there were accidents on the British Railways which were made very much worse by the gas that was used for lighting the cars catching fire after a collision.In fact in 1915 this was a major factor in the Britains worst railway accident.
Look forward to the B&M tomorrow. I wonder if CM3 is due back soon I hope so, as a B&M day would not be the same without CM3.
Well Leon I 'll have another Glow its Nick,s round I believe.
Pete.
Good evening Leon, just a Keith's for me this evening been a busy weekend fer sure fer sure ( for me not the bar ) Still nice to see the info still flowing in maageable portions
Tom-Spamalot as I said was a wnated to be on it's first TO engagement , we just missed out on the last block of tickets , unfortunatly shows in Toronto tend to be bought up by corporations on occation which makes the rest of us scramblefor the left overs .Nice movie pics for Sunday, any Python movies are A-OK with me can't get enough of them. BTW if you haven't pick up the new edition of the Holy grail that came out on DVD last year , it has many interesting extras. Loved reading the TGV and swiss RR pieces from saturday as well, great info and even greater scenery. I'm glad you liked the early BC encore from me, as I said saturday was a busy one for me, think I was at the store for twelve hours oh well money in someone's pockets ( likely the govt )Nice to see today's November canadian events, some interesting stuff there. I'm with Pete I have no idea how they managed to chnage those track guages that quickly,I have to say that it's to bad most CEO's and the like don't take a page from Van Horne. Right to the point people
Lars-Those were some fine book covers on Sunday sir , loved the NYC shot in particular I think the troops are just about back , I figure two good weeks of posting then we should hit the all encore mode over the last two weeks of the month, just to busy for most people even you retired sorts. As you said though it's da Boss's call
Doug-great run of shots on Sunday Sir. The IRM is truly an awsome place great artricle on te Southshore as well. Have you seen the book Morning Sun put out on all the Insul lines this year the jokes well most of them have gone and busticated the groanameter again
Eric-Yes Quebec is a loss the Quebec City train travel is farsical at best, too far off the corridor unfortunatly. At least Vancouver has the electric Sky train ( light rail system ) and part of the opld BCER ROW is running as a tourist attraction in the spring and summer. they have restored one of the 1200's cars and have another which they aaare working on. We've traded some parts with them over the last couple of years. They had a coupler we needed for our L&PS 8 and we had two K10 controllers that they needed as spares. Win Win
Pete-Sounds like you had a good holiday. Loved the shots from sunday as well.Nice mixture from both sides of the pond. I too had found a nice boat train article for tomorrow about a couple of Canadian operations. Oh well they can wait till next week. I figured that even though Wolfe and Montcalms story on the Plains of Abraham was an interesting story but I figured that we have had enough history lesson's for now .
James-great part four in the ongoing saga of the MILW. well done, you have learned much from the master.Tom ! I do look forward to it on the sunday's it has appeared.
Rob
James
Well I have a bit of time on my hands so I will regail everyone with another story of electric railways gone by.
CLASSIC JUICE # 37 THE HALIFAX ELECTRIC TRAMWAY COMPANY
Halifax isn't likely a city most would have thought that an extensive street railway system would have existed, but it did, In keeping with the rest of the country it kept up with the Jone's by haveing a modern and efficent tramway system.First a little background.
Halifax is one of the older cities in North America being founded in 1749 by Britsh general Edward Cornwallis. ( For many years Canada's armed forces persone took their basic training at CFB Cornwallis located along the waterfront )It was also in 1749 that Halifax became the capitol of the Colony of Nova Scotia and not supprisingly a major British naval base due to it's deep natural harbour, the second largest natural harbour on the continent next to Norfolk VA .
Urban transportation was an early concept in Halifax, as there was a great need to keep people and products moving to and from the harbour area.The first animal powered tramway started up in 1866,serving the city of 22,000.This new form of transit was well recieved by the population and this original Halifax City Railway Company continued to expand and by 1890 they ran 6 routes serving most of the city.
As with most cities the day's of the horse drawn transit were ending and by march of 1895 the Halifax Electric Tramway Company was incorporated.Fourteen single truck cars were ordered from Rhodes,Curry& Company, which was located in nearby Amherst NS ( a horescar and stagecoach builder primarily )this was also the oldest predessesor of Canadian Car and Foundry .Electric service began in jan of 1896 and operations were expanded as the city grew.
One tragic event almost ended the company early on. The Great Halifax explosion of 1917 reduced alot of the streetcar overhead and poles to rubble,10 of the casr were either destroyed or severly damaged and many tramway employees were among the killed and wounded.However maritimers are a hearty lot and soon the damage was repaired and the streetcar operations continued.By the end of the First World War , a number of significant changes occured, the fiirst was a company namechange to The Nova Scotia Tramway's and Power Co.The first task the new company faced was the replacement of the worn out cars which logged many extra miles during the war. The second significant change occured when the companies management were reviewing their options,they decided upon single truck Birney's, and promptly ordered 24 of te single truckers from the St Louis Car Company.Thes numbered cars 100-123, all were delivered in 1920.In 1926 a further four were ordered from the Ottawa car Company, numbers 134-137.These 28 cars were the only new cars to be purchased by the company.At this time the route miliage was at it's height, 8 routes and 48 miles of trackage.
Now Nova Scotia,along with BC New Bruswick and NFLD all operated motor vehicles on the left side of the road as in Britain.In 1923 the Province changed to right hand running to comply with the rules of the rest of North America.Converting the remaing older wooden cars was simple but the brand new Birney's being all metal were a more cahllenging and more expensive job.However the task was completed and all cars were operating on the right hand side of the road by the end of the year.
The years 1926-27 saw the tramway add 18 more Birney's to the fleet finally retiring the rest of the old wooden cars.ten of these were second hand and came from teh United Railway's aand Electrical company of Baltimore, and eigth ex Toronto Civic Birney's purchased from the TTC .The Birney fleet continued to grow through purchases odf used cars, until it reached a total of 82 the last of which were picked up during World War two.
Again the heavy wartime usage of the cars and the hilly terrain of the city itself war down the little cars and their trackage and overhead,wartime shortages ment that new cars and overheaad could not be purchased till after the war.IOnce again management was faced with the daunting task of rebuilding again, although trackage amd overheaad wiould be included in this bill as well.Instead of new streetcars PCC's were too big for the clearances on the tramway with out major modifications.They opted for Brill trolley coaches and purhased 87 of them from Canadian Car and Foundry.These electric busses were delivered bewteen 1948 and 1954,including six Pullman Standard ones bought from Providense Rhode Island. March 26th 1949 the last Birney operated downtown car 177 with the trolley coaches taking over most of the downtown routes. The Final final last run was carried out by car 157 on april 30th. The trolley coaches ran until 1969 when the electrics were finally abandoned,10 were sold to toronto for conversion to the more modern Flyer style for that city and served until TTC ended electric trolleybus service in the mid 1980's.
Two tidbits of interest.
Good morning Tom and friends. I’ll have 2 light breakfasts please. Nice to see the Christmas tree dusted off from last year. Sure wish I had that set running around the tree here! I guess this will be the last nice day here in Chicago, so I had better get the last outside lights up, and not miss the opportunity. As for possible encroachment on the IRM property, it could happen. We lost our race tracks to NIMBY (not in my back yard) laws. But hopefully we’ll fare better as we actually own some land around the property we’re using. The board always attempts to buy more “buffer-land”, but there’s only so much money to go around, and land is becoming increasingly expensive to purchase, as you can imagine. James, our 5-mile main line is all ours. Built and maintained by the IRM. There is also a UP rail that runs alongside our tracks for a while, and that’s how IRM equipment can leave or get to us by rail. We also have a loop that runs inside the museum, and all track except for storage tracks is under catenary. Thanks for the November RR history for the CN, Tom. Interesting stuff. Sorry about your Jints Lars. My Bears didn’t look too hot either. Great to see Nick alive, well and weathering the storms. I think our Chicago Rendezvous is going to take a week, even if we do half the things there are to do around here Pete. My 20th Century RR club uses a South Shore trip as once of its day-long trips. As for another dart match, “Who Darted?” is always ready, but we really need CM3 to report it. Great Halifax “Classic Juice” article Rob. What caused that explosion in 1917? Great to see Eric this morning! There’s still a very large freight yard southwest of O’Hare Airport. Just don’t know if there is any catenary there. It's my understanding that the IRM owns a lot more cars than we have room for. So it's my guess that the tracks we are seeing added will allow us to get that equipment onto museum property. And now, to address today's theme!
George C. Corey’s Boston & Maine transcribed by Brian Solomon. VR#14 1998
“In 1951, the eastbound Minuteman comes around the curve at South Ashburnham, Massachusetts, led by an E7, followed by a combine which was a “smoker,” – normally smokers were not the best equipment, but this one had nice leather seats and spittoons. Two streamlined coaches followed; these are B&M “American Flyer” cars. These were classy lightweight cars built in 1937. The last car is probably a sleeper that came through from Chicago (on the New York Central). In earlier years the Minuteman carried both a sleeper from Chicago and a restaurant-lounge car from Troy, but even by the time this photo was taken, the train was in decline, and the restaurant-lounge had been drooped.
While South Ashburnham was a big horseshoe curve, trains still came around it at a reasonably good clip. Even in recent years, when the commuter trains ran all the way from Boston to Gardner, those trains would come around at 50 mph. Of course, before the curve, there had been a wye here. The track had once continued on toward Winchendon. Winchendon did not want the railroad running through it but eventually got it anyway. Before the curve was complete, trains heading to Garner would come up into the wye, and the engine would have to run around to continue west. If you nose around, you might even find the abandoned roadbed of the old wye.”
One of New England’s best known and most loved railroads was the Boston & Maine, whose lines once blanketed much of Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and southern Vermont. Boston & Maine’s distinct character was epitomized by a unique Minuteman herald, classy steam locomotives, long heavy freight trains, milk trains, and a dense network of suburban commuter lines serving its namesake city. The Boston & Maine system was comprised of a variety of component lines, most of which had once been independent railroads: the Fitchburg Railroad running west through the Hoosac Tunnel toward Troy, New York; the Massachusetts Central Railroad, known to observers as simply the Central Mass, a line that once had ambitions to cross the Berkshires but never made it west of Northampton, Massachusetts; and the Connecticut River Railroad, which followed its namesake from Springfield, Massachusetts, to White River Junction, Vermont. These lines along with many others, including the original B&M from Boston to Portland, had coalesced to form the modern Boston & Maine by about the turn of the century. It was a scaled-down version of this railroad that George C. Corey came to know.
George grew up with the Boston & Maine and has always lived within earshot of its tracks. He shares his experiences and photos of the B&M.
“The Boston & Maine has been a part of my life ever since I was conscious enough to have been aware of it. Over the years, it has provided me a lot of entertainment. I used to live in Concord (Massachusetts) and used to hang around the station there. The B&M used to have crossing tenders, and I would visit them as they worked the gates. These guys always knew when the trains were coming. A bell would go off, and they had to put the gates down. Eastbound freights coming through Concord had to make a run for Lincoln Hill, and that was a pretty good show.”
“The Railroad Enthusiasts sponsored a trip in cooperation with the B&M. Leaving Portland Union station with the fan trip, 3713 was hauling a rather substantial train. The railroad had done some re-grading around the station, so things there looked a buit different than they had earlier.
The trip was a celebration of the end of steam, and after 3713’s famous last run, B&M dumped its fire and stored the engine. However, it survived the scrapper and eventually made its way to Nelson Blount’s Steamtown in North Walpole, New Hampshire. Later 3713 was displayed in front of the Boston Museum of Science, not far from B&M’s North Station. Now it’s at Steamtown in Scranton, Pennsylvania, and is soon to undergo a restoration; perhaps someday it may run again.”
George began photographing trains in 1939 and is still at it today. His primary venue has been black and white photography, and unlike others who have forsaken this traditional format for the ease of commercially processed color films, George continues to expose and print his own black and white photos. His photography is a traditional portrayal of the railroad. For a number of years, he participated in the Rail Photo Service and came away from the experience with mixed feelings.
“Rail Photo Service was run by a fellow named Horace W. Pontin,, who was a Boston & Albany engineer. He was a pretty good photographer himself and encouraged others, like myself, to contribute negatives to a pool from which he would make prints to send to various and sundry places. Quite a few people who became fairly well known were part of it, including Phil Hastings, Ed Street, Don Wood, myself, Stan Bolton, and Gene Huddleston. We contributed our negatives on the theory that we would eventually get our negatives back when Mr. Pontin got done with them. Unfortunately, this did not always come to pass. Some of our negatives were sold, something which we were unaware of at the time and had not anticipated when we contributed them to RPS. Despite this shortfall, it was a good experience. I met a lot of people through Mr. Pontin’s association and made some good friends. So in the balance I came out ahead.”
“A view of 3713 from the middle driver forward shows the engine’s Walschaerts valve gear.”
“On April 26,1956, Boston & Maine 3713 hauled a fan trip from North Station to Rigby Yard in Portland. While not the very last steam on the B&M, 3713’s final run heralded the end of steam on the B&M. The last steam was likely an uncelebrated run by a 2-6-0 Mogul on the Central Mass Branch. While that run went unnoticed, 3713’s last run was very definitely noticed! The engine was a B&M P4 class, a very handsome breed of 10 locomotives built in 1934 and 1937. All originally carried names that have been provided by area schoolchildren as part of a contest. In later years the locomotives had lost their names, and by 1956 3713 was just that.”
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.
Theme's to be a railroad for a change.
B&M Steam
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2002060900011115500.jpg
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2006030320330810865.jpg
B&M Diesel
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=200507152223217970.jpg
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=20050625144428482.jpg
B&M RDC
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2001031815200823268.jpg
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2005071221081712642.jpg
B&M local freight
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=200609282128597562.jpg
Quebec Light & Power
http://davesrailpix.com/odds/qu/jpg/qrlp02.jpg
Old Milwaukee Road
http://content.lib.washington.edu/transportation/image/140.jpg
Brooklyn Bridge
http://images.nypl.org/?id=482570&t=w
Mike
Burp! I think I'll have a third light breakfast, if you please. I see Mike dropped-off some URLs. Here's the last part of my article:
Boston and Maine Alco RS-3 1535 leads train 55 07 just west of Shirley, Massachusetts, in 1951. This run usually hauled empty milk cars from Boston to Bellows Falls, Vermont, by way of South Ashburnham and Winchendon, Massachusetts, and Keene, New Hampshire. Milk came down to Boston from Vermont. A creamery at Bellows Falls processed a lot of the milk that this train’s southbound counterpart hauled. Milk traffic was once an important source of traffic on New England railroads, but it has long since dried up.
In 1952, one of B&M’s Electro-Motive Division F2 cab units leads a White River Junction, Vermont, to New York train down along the Connecticut River. The only B&M equipment on the train is the motive power. Following the New Haven Railroad baggage car are two of the New Haven’s 1930s-built streamlined Pullman coaches – now affectionately known as “American Flyer Cars” after the toy manufacturer which built models of them in the 1950s and 1960s. “Both New Haven and Boston & Maine operated these streamlined cars. The New Haven eventually got 200 of them. They were nice, smooth-riding cars.”
Between Brattleboro, Vermont, and East Northfield, Massachusetts. The Boston & Maine and Central Vermont had separate lines – the B&M’s ran on the east side of the river via Dole Junction, New Hampshire, and the CV’s on the west side via Vernon, Vermont. Most northbound trains on both railroads used the B&M, while southbounds used the CV. North of Brattleboro the two railroads shared trackage to White River Junction. The B&M’s steel truss bridge over the Connecticut River is seen in the distance.
In February 1953, on the North Walpole, New Hampshire, side of Boston & Maine’s stone arch bridge over the Connecticut River, B&M 1167 is backing over the bridge to the Rutland Railroad yards in Bellows Falls, Vermont.
“One afternoon in June 1952, I parked down by the engine terminal in Somerville, Massachusetts, and caught the trains coming out of North Station, of which there were quite a few, including this run to Fitchburg. An RS-2 leads this train. At that time the skyline of Boston was quite different than what it is now, The only high building you can see are the Customs House Tower and the Prudential Center on the right. The Prison Point Bridge is evident in the background.” The whole scene looks quite different today. A lot more than just the trains has changed.
Boston and Maine 4207 heads west at the Willows, the junction between the Stony Brook Branch and the Fitchburg main line.
“At this time, this was open country. Today if you go there, you will find the big McDonalds warehouse where they store all their hamburgs[sic]. This Portland (Maine) to Mechanicsville (New York) freight is led by a three-unit set of cabs. Since the first two units are F1s, the last is probably an F2. The B&M often ran them this way.
“A 4100-series, class R1-b 4-8-2 Mountain type leads a Boston & Maine freight beneath the wires at North Adams in 1940. The electrification was still in service then, and box motors – similar to New Haven’s – were used to haul B&M trains through the 4.75 mile long Hoosac Tunnel to North Adams. The tunnel was doubletrack ten, and the railroad was very busy. This day we rode a fan trip out of Boston on the Boston & Albany to Pittsfield, then B&A’s North Adams Branch from Pittsfield to North Adams. We hung around North Adams all afternoon and watched the trains go by.”
Where some of the photographers may have been content to take static engine pictures in yards (a common type of image often known as a “roster shot”), George pursued action photography in addition to engine photos.
“By the time I started to take pictures, film speeds were fast enough to make action photography relatively easy, although I took my fair share of roster shots too.”
“There was a high fill between Wachusett and Westminster Massachustts, on the main line that was good for taking pictures. Here, in 1953, the local freight that worked between Fitchburg and East Deerfield starts its climb up South Ashburham Hill on track one.”
An Alco RS-3 was leading the train. Running on track two, the Budd-built Flying Yankee streamlined train, operating as train No. 5505 – The Cheshire – to White River Junction, Vermont, by way of Keene, New Hampshire, and Bellows Falls, Vermont, had just overtaken the slow-moving freight train. At Westminster the main went from two to three tracks.
Begin your Tuesday with us by pouring some freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee. Then some pastries from the Mentor Village Bakery and perhaps a selection from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast!
Repeated from yesterday for those who missed it: What’s THAT, you say It’s the Christmas Train that circles the bar on our elevated track system. For those who don’t know – it was a gift to the bar from barndad Doug for our 1st Christmas last year! It will remain atop my morning Post ‘til the end of the year.
Light rains are on the way and will get heavier and more frequent ‘til Thursday when the bottom drops out with temps settling below freezing (F). Noted the petrol prices up at “Collusion Corner” were at $2.15 (rounded), however that ain’t gonna last given the world situation. Expect to see some major hikes coming soon.
On to the acknowledgments:
DL at 12:44 PM yesterday: A brief visit is better ‘n no visit, Mate! Good to see ya anytime you have the time. Appreciate the “heads up” for the Boat Trains theme – best to postpone it ‘til you give us the go-ahead.
Lars at 12:59 PM yesterday: Good to see ya and take heart – it’s only a spectator sport! <grin> I try my best not to get wrapped around the axle over any of it – but it IS difficult, eh
Good suggestion regarding the Tuesday “themes” – I had planned to get into the ENCORE! routine, probably in mid-December through year’s end. So, if “Boat Trains” doesn’t make it for next week, or the week after – we’ll go with it in 2007.
I’ve checked out a few other Forums too – but they’ve been other than Kalmbach; looking for a new “home” for the bar, should it come to that. Nothing firm – just a fall back position. I think we’ve been pretty much “told” that the ratings system will stand, no matter how insulting those “zeros” were from the guys who haven’t been seen since they were shut down by the Forums Manager.
Last I heard from BK is that he was looking at early December for a return. Then, they pack up for a trip away over the holidays. That from an Email some time back . . . .
Nick at 6:26 PM yesterday: Good to see ya, even if briefly, Chief Chef Nick! Figured something out of the ordinary happened – glad it didn’t result in a few months away. Been there, done that, eh You must get some pretty damaging storms over in your part of the world. Best to avoid things that go “zap” in the nite!
Pete at 9:14 PM yesterday: Another “model” inclusive Post from the Wolfman! Always a pleasure to have you aboard, and the cash registers – Tilla ‘n Cashinator – love ya too, KaChing, KaChing! Leave it to you to notice the train! <grin> Time flies, eh
Another Dart’s Challenge I don’t think we could handle it! The “Our” Place “Stick ‘em where it hurts!” team needs a recharging. <grin> Anyway, that joint you referred to doesn’t have the charm of “Our” Place much less The Second Class Saloon. Looks like one of those “road houses” where one can wind up in serious trouble in a heartbeat. <ooooooooooh>
Good morning gents. Ruth my lovely I would love to have the bottomless thermos of cofee and of coarse a number 3 ( if Doug left any )Seems like today weatherwise is shapping up alot like yesterday. 17C yesterday round these parts ( over 60 F ) "spoused" to be 15 or 16 today thoug we are expecting a nice big T storm latter on day off for me today I was going to finish the raking and outdoor lights, but it looks like mother nature is giving me the day off as well
Doug-First in with some great B&M articles nice going sir a fine way to start off the day. Thankfully we don't have laws like your NIMBY's. Mind you we are starting to get more and more houses built around us and we now are landlocked. We could pick up maybe half an acre to the one side of the property as a buffer but that's it.To show what kind of JO's we have delt with over the years, we had one guy complain because he was told by the estate agent that we were an abandonned ROW and was due to be pulled up. ( He bought the house in November when we don't run anything or are open to the public.Was he supprised come May when the first run of the year was L&PS 8. We for saftey reasons blow warnings for certain spots along the line and 8's equiped with a steam locomotive whistle ! Oh and car number two on that run was the sweeper S37 going back to storage barn one she's equiped with locomotive 335's air horn. Needless to say he was on the phone to city hall and the realtor was told he was SOL by both. Laast we heard he had got back some of the realtor's fees he paid from them for the inconveniance, he also became a meber of the museum, incidently he loves operating 8 go figure
Now as to your Halifax explosin question. Halifax harbour has a narrows in it close to the city centre essentially the surronding terrain is roughly bowl shapped.On Dec 6 , 1917 the belgian freighter IMO collieded with the French freighter Mont Blanc in the fog. The Imo was going to see without escort and was operating against the harbour mastrers instructions. Unfortunatly for Halifax the Mont Blanc was carrying ammunition to the front , gun cotton TNT te whole shebang. The Mont Blanc was crippled and on fire her crew abandoned and she drifted accross the harbour towards Halifax and exploded.Over 4 million pounds of TNT ! it leveleed 2.5 square kilometres ( mile ) of the city killing 1635 and wounding at least that many more. it was the largest man made explosion before the test of the first atom bomb at Los alamos in 1945.
Tom-Two wunnerfull B&M exposes` again today. Don't get me started on ticketmaster an the like here either. Piracy of the legal nature. Glad you approved of Halifax figured that it went well with everything else latley.We are likely heading there this september, I haven't been back there since 1991. we are doing NFLD and NB and PEI the same trip, should be fun. You are right though tis the season, xmas train comes out and we go into encore mode in a week or two, oh well good to relax and recharge You are right wasn't just work that kept me away Sunday. I was off but we resued another cat from the pound so I was reffereeing the two of them during the day. they actually don't hate each other and haven't fought so it looks to be a mutual you stay away from me and I won't bug you much kind of deal.
Eric-I wish you well in your email endevours. I still haven't got any replies back to any of the one's I've sent,who know's if they wre even read or got through. P poor way to run things.I'm glad that you got a "charge" out of the Halifax article,too bad the systems are gone but theirs was one of the longer lasting ones.
Mike-great batch of url's sir. Loved the B&M shots and I know that the approved of the RDC shots.
Nick-Good to see that you are still affloat there mate. I was affraid that H&H and Copperkettle were going to be left in charge of the food services this week.
Good Afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
Just a quick stop to let you know that we have returned. Work calls for a couple of days, but I hope to be back contributing, etc. by Friday.
work safe
A pint of Kimberley mild please RUTH.
Great to see ROB in with the Classic Juice and history of The Halifax Electric Tramway Co..Glad you enjoyed the pics Sunday.
I was going to ask about the Halifax explosion, but Doug beat me to it. That was a terrible disaster with the loss of 1635 lives.
Were there many of the Halifax system cars saved for preservation. That was a good piece about the chap who bought the house near the museum running track, it had a great ending as well.
ERIC Looking forward to the Swiss Electrification info if you can get it and thanks for the info on the GE B40-8.
As the Red Garter regulars dont know how to play darts it should be a good contest.
DOUG When you go on the 20th Century RR club do they use the normal cars for the trip
Enjoying the B&M Theme day with TOM'S Encores from the great Fallen Flags and Railroads from Yesteryear series and DOUG with the photos and descriptions from George C Corey. I see that the B&M ended steam in 1956They were some good looking locos with a well designed tender which added a lot to the locos appearence.
It was interesting to learn that # 3713 and her P4 sisters originally carried names that the schoolkids came up with, although they later lost there names. I wonder what the names were, perhaps CM3 can help.
Another good set of links from MIKE, that was a very attractive B&M diesel livery they had. The RDCs in the snow and the Quebec car were great too.It would have been interesting to hear what the BI-polar sounded like.
LARS I think you are mixing ROB up with me about the KC Chiefs,Iwas wrong anyway the Chiefs are playing Baltimore not San Diego when we go .
A great set of book covers on the B&M.
I Have a couple of pics taken from just outside Boston North station in October last year, they are a bit dark but are better if enlarged I hope.
I was going to add something really good but I cant get it to work, it was CM3's wonderful post on a trip on the B&M from Boston North, it trully is a great piece of railway writing. It is half way down Page 307 well worth a read.
TOM I forgot to say but I was doing a Google search on boat trains yesterday or Sunday and one of the links was to Our Place
As you say lets keep Cashinator and Tilla happy, another round please LEON
G-day Tom and all present!
There has been some activity here today and a lot of interesting articles.
But before I go on, Leon, if you could I would like a sandwich with a coffee, thanks.
Barndad-Thanks for the info on the IRM. We go to Chicago each year in March and I am going to have to make a stop by one of these times just check things out. Your Chicago South shore interurban article was really cool. I learned a few more things now about tram cars. thanks. And Your B&M articles are also good. The steam caught my attention. The pic with the station in the back ground, the track looks great. That is some very good looking track. Thanks for the info.
Pete- Your right in thinking those UP engines are older. They came out in the late 70s early 80s. They were some of the best locos at the time and were the predecessors of the dash 9 locomotive.
Also glad you liked the Milwaukee news. The bipolar is a really interesting locomotive.
Tom- I certainly won't forget to post around here. It's great! Glad to see a christmas train up. Thanks to barndad!
Also, some nice things from you sir. I enjoyed reading about the Canadain RR history events. Some of the stuff, like the Grand trunk and the year it came to be was a bit surprising. That railroad lasted quite some time. I still see a lot of orginal GT locomotives wandering around. Especially switching Pokegama yard in Superior.
Rob- The Halifax electric tramway company was a good article to read. Glad you brought it up. Some new things learned there. Keep it coming!
Eric- I have to admit that the Bipolar is not the prettiest locomotive ever built but it left the world remembered. They were some of the most famous electrics here in North America. Glad you liked the article otherwise.
Mike- You certainly have some very good photos. The Milwaukee bipolar is a great picture. And RDCs!!! How can you forget those. Love them and Love them even more. I wish I could see a line up of those things cruising along. Great photos. Thanks.
Lars- Another great selection of book covers from you sir. Glad you post those. They show me what is out there for books. Thanks.
Now I think it's time for some pics!!
Photo from: www.northeast.railfan.net/diesel32.html
RDCs.. I really can't explain there greatness. But you can notice that the back of this RDC has no windows. Somewhat interesting since they were suppose to run both ways.
Photo from: www.steamlocomotive.com/pacific/bm.shtml
Photo by: Edward G. Weinstein collection
To me, the wheels seem a little bigger than most steam engines. But none the less, it is impressive. Hauling a passenger train is even better. This would have been cool to see coming down the tracks at 90+ mph!
What about a Boston and Maine speeder. This is not a fairmont speeder but it is cool looking. A bit ackward with the small plow on the front. Imagine going down the tracks in this.
Happy railroading
G-day Tom and all present.
I just got these from my e-mail. These are a bit scarry!
http://tinyurl.com/ygye44
A dumb trucker
http://tinyurl.com/yz3qss
Another dumb trucker. Notice the Operation lifesaver on the side of the Illinois Central SD40-2
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8fa1468d86
This one just hurts. I hate it when cars stall.
I can't imagine what goes through these peoples minds!
Happy railroading...I think. Atleast not for these people.
Good morning Tom and friends! I’ll have a light breakfast and see how I feel about more later. Pretty good info on the theme railroad (B&M) yesterday from our proprietor, as usual, and surely appreciated Robs response to my question on what caused the great explosion of Halifax in 1917. Incredible story there. Great to see CM3 back again, and the book cover pix from manager Lars. To answer Pete’s question on the use of special cars for 20th Century Club trips, the answer is seldom. We will sometimes get a varnish or other special car, but mostly the best that can be done is that we get a car all our own at the back of the train. Thanks for your pix of Boston North station waterfront trackage. Great pix from James, but the google videos in the 2nd post are a must-see! Great to see Eric in so early today as well. Here’s a sorta pike article to read with your coffees:
Toy Trains by Allan W. Miller VR#12 1998
The post-World War II economic and baby-boom years from the mid-1940s through the early 1950s impacted virtually every facet of American life, including the model railroad hobby industry. Toy trains emerged as the playthings of choice for countless thousands of blossoming families in this prosperous period, and manufacturers scurried in overtime mode to both cultivate and meet the insatiable demand.
But along with the durable and colorful toy trains themselves, consumer-hobbyists also wanted, and needed, more timely information about new product releases and reviews, plus descriptions of how to use, and maintain, repair, and further enjoy these mechanical marvels. It was somewhat inevitable, then, that entrepreneurs in the hobby publishing industry would take up the gauntlet and attempt to fill the perceived information gap.
In the earliest postwar years, the toy train hobbyist’s information needs had been largely met by Model Builder magazine, published by the Lionel Corporation. But Lionel’s publication, though impressive and information-packed, was targeted primarily to the O gauge model railroader – the audience that supported Lionel’s product line with its dollars. The interests of a second large group of modelers – the devoted followers of American Flyer’s S gauge line – among others were largely ignored. Furthermore, Model Builder ceased publication in April 1949, following a successful run of some 13 years. The publisher, in announcing cessation of publication, said simply that it had “served its major purpose.” Perhaps that was true from Lionel’s perspective, but thousands of toy train fans were left without a regular source of information and entertainment.
Stepping into the breach 2 ½ years later was an all-new publication: Toy Trains, a Penn Publications monthly, with Charles Penn as publisher, was launched with the November 1951 issue. From the start, the magazine featured contributions from some of the most renowned luminaries in model railroading, including O gauge model building legend Frank C. Ellison (former long-time contributor to Model Builder). Ellison was presented in the new magazine’s “Meet the Crew” listing as the individual responsible for “Buildings and Right-of-Way.”
The premier issue of Toy Trains was dated November 1951. The cover painting by Herb Mott depicts branchline switching on the Lehigh Valley Railroad.
Interestingly, the premier issue also displayed an endorsement from what could surely have been its most formidable competitor: Model Railroader. Founded in 1934 by Al Kalmbach, Model Railroader occupied a preeminent position in the scale model railroading community, a ranking it retains to this day. Had he so desired, Kalmbach could have devoted his considerable expertise and resources to reaching the toy train hobbyist as well. He elected not to do so. In a statement published in Toy Trains’ premier issue, Kalmbach noted:
“Model Railroader welcomes Toy Trains to the miniature railroading field. We wish the editors and publishers smooth track and a high green all the way.
“It will occupy a hitherto vacant niche, and this speaks well for its prospects. Model Railroader, which has served the scale field well for nearly 18 years, stands ready to cooperate. We feel that any publication which assists with any phase of model railroading deserves full support.”
Arrival of each new issue of Toy Trains at the local hobby shop was a greatly anticipated event. Children and fathers alike could find much to read and enjoy in each issue. “How to Build” articles, which customarily made use of common materials found around the house or in the garage, ranked among the most popular features. At times, the back cover (front and back covers were the only full-color pages) would feature colorful cut-out cardboard and then assembled into a useful trackside addition to a model pike.
Other content included historical articles, layout planning tips, scenery-building hints, layout photo tours, and regular departments such as “Repair Depot,” “The Mail Car,” and a “Super Market” classified section wherein readers could buy, sell, seek, or swap equipment.
Toy Trains didn’t neglect S gaugers, either. American Flyer fans could learn how to make Gilbert switches look more realistic or even gain some reasoned editorial support for their stance in the long-standing two-rail versus three-rail debate. Track planning features in the magazine most often included a reasonable balance of O gauge and S gauge designs.
Unfortunately, the economic success enjoyed by toy train manufacturers in post-war years did not extend to Toy Trains. The editor’s column in the fall 1954 edition – the first issue named for a season and not for a month – foretold what was to come”
“Here is why this issue is labeled “Fall Edition.” Three years ago when the first issues of Toy Trains magazine were taking shape, we had anticipated keeping interest in model railroading at a high peak throughout the year. Although thousands of readers actively pursued their hobby 12 months a year, still many, many others limited their model railroading to the school and winter months.”
“This seasonal lessening of activity lowered our summer sales of Toy Trains magazine while we were still maintaining high production costs. The situation has forced us to make some changes in the future plans of Toy Trains. As this addition goes to press, we are considering the idea of publishing Toy Trains on a quarterly basis; the next issue will appear on your local newsstand October 15 labeled “Winter Edition.”
“In the meantime, we suggest you read Toy Trains companion magazine, Railroad Model Craftsman, each and every month; it contains many features of special interest to O and S gauge enthusiasts.”
A “Winter Edition” did, indeed, appear as advertised, but it was called the “Christmas 1954 issue.” It was the final complete issue.
Al Kalmbach’s aforementioned and presumably sincere offer of support notwithstanding, Toy Trains ultimately cast its allegiance with Kalmbach’s erstwhile competitor, Railroad Model Craftsman. In part, this was a somewhat logical alliance, because Hal Carstens, Railroad Model Craftsman’s publisher, had served the Toy Trains editorial effort as an associate editor as early as mid-1952.
In a column titled “Introducing Railroad Model Craftsman,” the editor wrote:
“It is … with deep regret that it is necessary to announce that this issue will be the last until sometime next fall. Announcement will be made in Railroad Model Craftsman as to when the next issue will be ready. Meanwhile, we’d like to suggest to all of you that in Railroad Model Craftsman you will find many of your favorite authors as well as most of the old familiar crew who have been bringing you Toy Trains.”
The column continued for several more paragraphs, attempting to convince disappointed fans that there was much more for them to find in the pages of Railroad Model Craftsman and enticing them to “hop aboard.” But these were somewhat futile expressions, and they convinced few for very long.
The February 1957 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman heralded the inclusion of its toy train sister:”100 Pages – Two Magazines in One” and “Now including Toy Trains,” exclaimed a pair of banners on the cover. Inside, there was no further mention of the union, but the magazine was divided into two sections: a “Craftsman Section” and a “Toy Trains Section.” It was a noble effort, but it was to be a short-lived marriage, with one partner being quickly overshadowed by its mate.
Like Model Railroader, Railroad Model Craftsman had traditionally aimed squarely at the interests of scale model builders. This group was, and still is, distinguishable from the toy train fraternity. Each niche group has its own motivations, goals, agenda, and each has its own clubs, organizations, and periodicals. Relatively few toy train enthusiasts are overly concerned with the level of prototypical detail and operation evidenced by scale modeling. Similarly, few scale-oriented hobbyists are attracted to the more whimsical playtime and collecting activities associated with toy trains. To be sure, there is a common bond in the shared love of trains and railroading in general, but that is usually where the similarities end. It’s somewhat unrealistic to assume that any one magazine could effectively cater to both groups, and, to date, reality has borne this out.
Toy Trains disappeared just as public attention began to be diverted away from toy electric trains and focused instead on television, video games, space-related games and toys, and a variety of other leisure activities It was not until more recent times – in the last decade or so, to be precise – that interest in toy trains as a hobby and collecting pastime has seen a tremendous resurgence. This resurrection is likely due, in large measure, to the growing numbers of now-aging baby boomers who are actively seeking to recapture a bit of the days of their youth. If that’s the case, then the short-lived Toy Trains magazine has effectively perpetuated its legacy.
Back covers often had full-color cutouts, like these for crossing gates and shanty in the October 1953 issue
Mid-week once again! Time to pour some freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee. Then check out our pastries from the Mentor Village Bakery along with a selection from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast!
Repeated for those who missed it: What’s THAT, you say It’s the Christmas Train that circles the bar on our elevated track system. For those who don’t know – it was a gift to the bar from barndad Doug for our 1st Christmas last year! It will remain atop my morning Posts ‘til the end of the year.
The rains stayed away, but you’d not know it given the cloud cover. “They” are still calling for the front to make its way to us this evening and then the bottom drops out with temps settling below freezing (F).
Rob at 10:31 AM yesterday: Good to see ya, but surprised you didn’t drop a “Theme” on us. But then again, this was a last minute change – you’ve escaped the wrath of the tweeter! <grin>
Not sure I understand your comments regarding “laws like your NIMBY’s.” Each state pretty much decides what will and won’t fly insofar as that kinda stuff goes, with it then going down to the respective counties, cities, towns and so forth. So a law in Missouri is just that – a law in Missouri. I must have missed something while eavesdropping.
Check out this URL on the 1917 Halifax explosion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Explosion
There’s also a great video on it – I think we first viewed it at the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic in Halifax.
CM3 at 1:45 PM yesterday: He lives! Hope we can reconnect before week’s end!
Good to receive some quarters for our Coal Scuttle – Herr Wurlitzer has been hurtin’ in your absence. We need some tunes!
Lars at 2:10 PM yesterday: Many thanx for your continuing support in the form of book covers for our Theme for the Day!
Not to worry about me – okay Really! When I feel pressured or have simply had enough – you’ll all know. <grin>
Your comments regarding pro-athletes rings true with me, fer sure, fer sure! I’ve really been turned off for years when it comes to the behavior being exhibited by some of these ignoramuses when they should be engaging in sportsmanship. What’s THAT Yeah, I know – just an old fart I am, I am. <groan>
Pete at 7:56 PM yesterday: Nice shots of Boston – brings back memories of my 5 years living there. North Station was MY hangout, or better put – the Iron Horse (tavern) was! One of the all time GREAT watering holes in my long ago past. <ahhhhhhhhhh>
James at 8:14 PM ‘n 8:46 PM yesterday: Appreciate the B&M contributions of Pix ‘n narratives! Love the RDC!
Budd manufactured five basic variants of the RDC: • The RDC-1 — an 85 ft (26 m) all-passenger coach seating 88 passengers. • The RDC-2 — an 85 ft (26 m) Railway Post Office and passenger coach configuration seating 71 passengers. • The RDC-3 — an 85 ft (26 m) variant with a Railway Post Office, a baggage compartment and 44 passenger seats. • The RDC-4 — a 65 ft (20 m) variant with only the Railway Post Office and baggage area. • The Happy Railroading! Siberianmo siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" PLACE - Adults talking Classic Trains in a special place since April 12th, 2005! Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:06 AM TOY 'n MODEL TRAINS DAY! An OPTIONAL event on Wednesdays' at "Our" PlaceThe making of my Lionel Polar Express shelf system in the Can-Am Trainroom:Finally arrives after several months of waiting!Worth the wait!Where to put it Now that looks like an interesting place!Coming together nicely!A great looking Berkshire!You gotta love it!The fun is in the operation with two cars added - baggage and diner!Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo DL - UK Member sinceAugust 2006 280 posts Posted by DL - UK on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:15 AM Hi Tom and all in I’ll take a pint of Lees Mild and something off the food menu please, let me think. Maybe I’ll have the Black Pudding which I saw on the menu of the bar I was in in Manchester (more of which later). Round for the house too of course. Well folks – some of you have been indicating you are unhappy about quiet days – but I think you should re-consider – try looking over the last few days contributions – there is a heck of a lot there – I’ve caught up with it, and it shows people just keep on talking about interesting stuff. Rob – interesting encore on BC Rail, and stuff on Halifax Streetcars. I figured someone would explain about the explosion – as Tom says there is a very fine exhibition on this in the Halifax Maritme Musuem which I enjoyed (not quite the right word actually) when I visited the place. Eric – really appreciated the X2000 technical site – well done and thanks. UK APT had tilting power cars in the middle of the train – I expect this added to the complexity of the design and the problems the engineers had to overcome. As I recall the full consist had 2 power cars in the middle the rest of the train replicated either side of the power cars (ie 2 buffet cars, 2 fist class portions etc) since you could not walk through the power cars due to the strong electro magnetic forces. Cell phone signals – I think most UK new cars are made of aluminium, not stainless – but I’m not too sure about that. Tom – enjoyed your nostalgia ad about Switzerland – reminded me of travels there – railways constructed in the most spectacular countryside. I visited the Swiss Rail museum which as I recall is at Lucern – that must have had info about their transition from steam and when it happened but I can’t recall the info. It is a good museum. Probably moved to electric early due to little or no natural supplies of coal but plenty of hydro electric power available. Doug – am I right to think you are transcribing the articles you are posting? – quite a chore – don’t think it is not appreciated – interesting stuff to those of us for whom this is new info. Thanks. Pete – Kimberley Post – I’m around to read it when you have time to post it! Named trains – try http://www.joyce.whitchurch.btinternet.co.uk/namers.htm a site worth exploring in some detail too. I think this is comprehensive list and includes a few Boat Trains (ready for next week!) James – spotted your mention of concrete ties (we call them ‘sleepers’) – as it happens most ties in UK (and probably much of Europe now) are concrete – in fact there is a concrete tie factory not so far from here. I think reason is about longevity but also accuracy of gauge when faced with high pressures exerted by trains at speed (esp on curves). On some older lines wood is still found and also for crossings and junctions wood seems to be preferred so you do see new wooden ties in some locations. I’m told that near here years ago was a works site for preparing the wooden sleepers and treating them with the preservative Creosote (do you call the preservative by the same name in North America?) – however I’ve never been able to find much info about this site. Pete – I wonder if you knew of it? Beeston Creosote Works? Tom – forum location – I understand your frustration re the ratings system but worth bearing in mind I located the Canadian Passenger Trains forum by chance but as I saw it was linked to Classic Trains, which I subscribed to – I thought it would be a reliable forum – as indeed it was, so Kalmbach gave it a certain credibility in my mind – would that be the case if you moved it elsewhere? Just a thought – it is of course your call in these matters. Kind of glad you postponed the Boat Train theme – should be able to come through on this next week, hope it is the same for others too. Rob, hilarious story re your ROW neighbours! I think you could sue an estate agent for that here – but doubt you’d find they ever put anything in writing! I believe the Great Central preserved Railway here used to issue householders whose property backed on to the line a free trip on one day per year – kind of helped keep them on side I guess – even though nearly all their houses were built long after the railway arrived! Anyway – had to go to Manchester the other day – which involves a train journey crossing through the Peak District National Park – has quite scenic stretch of about 50 minutes between Sheffield and Manchester (UK National Parks are not like in the US – they are not wilderness areas where humans cannot build, rather construction is much more limited and has to take special care of the environment (supposedly) – they are areas of particular beauty and it is always enjoyable to see the scenery from the train). Anyway – event I was at was near part of the Manchester Ship Canal – this still functions for its original purpose as UK’s only canal for ocean going vessels, although the area I was in is undergoing waterside regeneration for housing etc. I know some visitors to the bar (and our proprietor) have more than a passing interest in shipping so thought this link might be of interest http://www.shipcanal.co.uk/ the downloadable pdf Brief History is an interesting doc with some good pics too. I was also near the former Manchester Central station – this is a gigantic former terminus building (train shed) – very impressive – after closure it survived long enough derelict to get listed as a monument which resulted in its ultimate restoration and re-use as an event centre. Better than nothing I guess. Some pics here: http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/m/manchester_central/index.shtml Regards to all DL siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:37 AM G'day Gents!Glad I stuck around after my Toys 'n Model Trains! Post, otherwise I would've missed the visit from DL! Pays to follow one's own advice, eh Good to see ya this day and appreciate the well thought out and inclusive manner in which you interact here at the Saloon by the Siding! Always a pleasure to serve you. Okay then, Tuesday NEXT will be "Boat Trains" for the Theme! Let's see if we can get 'er going. After that, we'll settle for ENCORE! events 'til 2007 rolls around. DL, there's a bit of history at this bar insofar as frustration and the like are concerned. We once were a thriving Thread with easily a dozen active particpants along with at least half that number who would stop by a few times weekly. Then we began to experience CHANGE - and for anyone who has followed my thoughts on THAT word - you'll understand my use of it. Anyway, we've pretty much transitioned into a very small group of guys who still enjoy kicking around the subject of Classic Trains, along with our brand of humor. But for some, it is a bittersweet memory of days long gone. In my case, I'll continue on as long as there is evidence of interest. Time will tell, eh Railroading in Britain sounds simply marvelous to me. Undoubtedly it would take a bit of getting used to insofar as the distances are concerned, for here we are so accustomed to journeys in tems of days and nights, rather than mere hours. All one needs to do is superimpose the British Isles onto a map of North America, and the picture should become rather clear.Really enjoyed the URLs - particularly the Manchester Central Station! What a great structure. The Pix of the "Blue Pullman" (which actually looks green to me!) is beautiful! Trains, like gals, are meant to be looked at and admired! <grin>Oh yes, thanx for the ship canal link - quite interesting to say the least. Didn't know it existed! What's new The "named trains" list is impressive. I've run one from the U.S. roads a few times and always find those names as fascinating as the images they conjure up! Relcoation of the bar: Only gathering data for a fallback position, should it come to that. I seriously doubt we'd be able to maintain our following, but who knows Not to worry, we'll remain open for as long as things remain hospitable 'round here. Again, pleased you made it back and hope you've gotten ahead of the curve insofar as things at work are concerned. Man's gotta do what man's gotta do, eh <grin>Drinks on me, Ruth! Ring it Boris! Tom Happy Railroading! 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Hi Tom and all in
I’ll take a pint of Lees Mild and something off the food menu please, let me think. Maybe I’ll have the Black Pudding which I saw on the menu of the bar I was in in Manchester (more of which later). Round for the house too of course.
Well folks – some of you have been indicating you are unhappy about quiet days – but I think you should re-consider – try looking over the last few days contributions – there is a heck of a lot there – I’ve caught up with it, and it shows people just keep on talking about interesting stuff.
Rob – interesting encore on BC Rail, and stuff on Halifax Streetcars. I figured someone would explain about the explosion – as Tom says there is a very fine exhibition on this in the Halifax Maritme Musuem which I enjoyed (not quite the right word actually) when I visited the place.
Eric – really appreciated the X2000 technical site – well done and thanks. UK APT had tilting power cars in the middle of the train – I expect this added to the complexity of the design and the problems the engineers had to overcome. As I recall the full consist had 2 power cars in the middle the rest of the train replicated either side of the power cars (ie 2 buffet cars, 2 fist class portions etc) since you could not walk through the power cars due to the strong electro magnetic forces.
Cell phone signals – I think most UK new cars are made of aluminium, not stainless – but I’m not too sure about that.
Tom – enjoyed your nostalgia ad about Switzerland – reminded me of travels there – railways constructed in the most spectacular countryside. I visited the Swiss Rail museum which as I recall is at Lucern – that must have had info about their transition from steam and when it happened but I can’t recall the info. It is a good museum. Probably moved to electric early due to little or no natural supplies of coal but plenty of hydro electric power available.
Doug – am I right to think you are transcribing the articles you are posting? – quite a chore – don’t think it is not appreciated – interesting stuff to those of us for whom this is new info. Thanks.
Pete – Kimberley Post – I’m around to read it when you have time to post it!
Named trains – try http://www.joyce.whitchurch.btinternet.co.uk/namers.htm a site worth exploring in some detail too.
I think this is comprehensive list and includes a few Boat Trains (ready for next week!)
James – spotted your mention of concrete ties (we call them ‘sleepers’) – as it happens most ties in UK (and probably much of Europe now) are concrete – in fact there is a concrete tie factory not so far from here. I think reason is about longevity but also accuracy of gauge when faced with high pressures exerted by trains at speed (esp on curves). On some older lines wood is still found and also for crossings and junctions wood seems to be preferred so you do see new wooden ties in some locations.
I’m told that near here years ago was a works site for preparing the wooden sleepers and treating them with the preservative Creosote (do you call the preservative by the same name in North America?) – however I’ve never been able to find much info about this site. Pete – I wonder if you knew of it? Beeston Creosote Works?
Tom – forum location – I understand your frustration re the ratings system but worth bearing in mind I located the Canadian Passenger Trains forum by chance but as I saw it was linked to Classic Trains, which I subscribed to – I thought it would be a reliable forum – as indeed it was, so Kalmbach gave it a certain credibility in my mind – would that be the case if you moved it elsewhere? Just a thought – it is of course your call in these matters.
Kind of glad you postponed the Boat Train theme – should be able to come through on this next week, hope it is the same for others too.
Rob, hilarious story re your ROW neighbours! I think you could sue an estate agent for that here – but doubt you’d find they ever put anything in writing! I believe the Great Central preserved Railway here used to issue householders whose property backed on to the line a free trip on one day per year – kind of helped keep them on side I guess – even though nearly all their houses were built long after the railway arrived!
Anyway – had to go to Manchester the other day – which involves a train journey crossing through the Peak District National Park – has quite scenic stretch of about 50 minutes between Sheffield and Manchester (UK National Parks are not like in the US – they are not wilderness areas where humans cannot build, rather construction is much more limited and has to take special care of the environment (supposedly) – they are areas of particular beauty and it is always enjoyable to see the scenery from the train).
Anyway – event I was at was near part of the Manchester Ship Canal – this still functions for its original purpose as UK’s only canal for ocean going vessels, although the area I was in is undergoing waterside regeneration for housing etc. I know some visitors to the bar (and our proprietor) have more than a passing interest in shipping so thought this link might be of interest
http://www.shipcanal.co.uk/
the downloadable pdf Brief History is an interesting doc with some good pics too.
I was also near the former Manchester Central station – this is a gigantic former terminus building (train shed) – very impressive – after closure it survived long enough derelict to get listed as a monument which resulted in its ultimate restoration and re-use as an event centre. Better than nothing I guess. Some pics here:
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/m/manchester_central/index.shtml
Regards to all
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