Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.
Here it is another Tuesday. Time flies when you're having fun.
Actually time flies anyway. Might as well make the best of it.
Chicago Great Weedy
Steam engines and a motor car
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Olewein Yard postcard 1910
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Piggyback pioneer
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Corn Belt Route
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Eric and DL, the Caroline Mars was built by Glenn L. Martin Co. in 1947 and wrecked by Hurricane Freda in British Columbia on October 12, 1962. More info at this link:
http://www.vectorsite.net/avmars.html#m6
Mike
Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Kimberley Mild please BORIS. it looks my turn to have a bad day with the puter. It was saying earlier it did not reconise my IP so no internet or e-mail at all the bride rang them and the said they could not see a problem then it worked ok. Now the delete key didn,t work untill I went to the start of the post and started again. I will keep going until it does it again.
DOUG Its great to see the new house looking so good.Like the pic of the control center to Our Place, but could not see the book of jokes, have they made the move.
ERIC Went back and found you in the photo. I am afraid that I know very little about the German locos in Alan,s pics any info would be great.
MIKE Many thanks for the links to the RH&DR . The map is very useful. It looks like it could be another theme at the bar with the Flying Boats . I do hope we do get some posts on them.
Thank you for sharing the Afghanistan Poppies with us .
NICK Great to see the North Welsh Narrow Gauge pics. It looks as though we are no nearer solving what the loco in the car park is. I think KATE is a great little loco. Is the ex RNAD at Llanelli a park now..
DL. I'm afraid I must agree about UK service providers. It seems the worse ones have "British" in their title now adays, although I can't say this about British Airways as I have not had dealings with them. But two others are a royal pain toTRY to deal with. Sorry but one has made me just now GRRRRR.
Anyway, feel better now.There were some real omissions of the early diesels classes not saved. I think the worst one was the first main line diesel to run in the UK. The LMS twins nos 10000 & 10001, these locos, I think the first one was introduced around 1947, and were of very North American appearance.one was stored at Derby Works for quite a while after its withdrawel from service.
Very true about the Modernisation Diesels. It makes one wonder what would have happened if the English Electric products and the Sulzer smaller locos had not been as good as they were, perhaps we would still have steam.
Alan and I did travel the Nottingham tram not long after it was opened,we though the branch to the Phoenix Park was an old collery but did not know which one.
Mant thanks for the link to the Research site very interesting, so much good info, I will return to it in the Future. Great pic of the Britannia on test on the rollers at Rugby Testing Station .Looking back there was a great deal of innovation on BR in the 70s, reading through some of the site reminded me of this.Those push-pull trains certainly we a great thing for rail travel between Glasgow and Edinburgh
.Am I right in thinking that the technology behind the APT tilting is basically the same as the tilting trains of today, do you know.
Not wishing to advertise but in the latest issue of the UK Railway Magazine is a free DVD, although it is mostly about the Pendlino's run from Glasgow there is some archive footage of 10000 and the APTs, also some steam in BR days.
JAMES Great to see you back. Glad you had a good weekend, that sounds a fantastic model show.I was able to go to one in Kansas City a few years ago the stands and the model layouts were fantastic .
TOM Great Theme day..Really liked the Chicago Great Westerns big engine policy, it surely deserved a far better fate than have most of is trackage and its works closed dwn after the merger, a sad fate for many companies that are taken over. Thanks to LARS BK and JAMES for the great pics .
That was a very good and well made point TOM about the loved ones of the sailors and indeed of all the men serving in war time.
I will run the virus check on the computer now though I doubt it be that simple, it has been difficult to look at the links or indeed the internet , at least the bar has not come up with "not available" like most things I have tried to look at.
Another round please LEON and hopefully this thing will work properly tomorrow.
Pete.
G’day Gents!
Mid-week in mid-continent USA as we await the storm system rolling this way out of Colorado. We’re anticipating lots of rain today, turning to perhaps our first measurable snow of the season. Love the snow, hate the slop.
While our turnout yesterday for the Tuesday Theme for the Day – Chicago Great Western – was far less than usual, we “done good”! Many thanx to all who participated.
NEXT Tuesday’s “theme” will be the Pullman Company. Hopefully, that will attract a bit more interaction as UK rolling stock can be readily factored in.
A few acknowledgments, then off to catch up on things ‘round the ranch! <grin>
Mike at 7:59 PM yesterday: Chicago Great Weedy Now that’s one I hadn’t heard before. Enjoyed the steam locos and passenger trains – also the “Doodlebug”!! Had no idea that “piggyback” service began back in the 1930s. Shows how little I know! REALLY liked that shot of the train in the station at Omaha. Sweet!
Nicely done compliments to the Theme for the Day!
Found the aircraft URL of interest, particularly the references to things I know about. We used to run “ditch & rescue” operations annually. Those PBs were quite durable aircraft from the little I know. We’d lay out an illuminated path of flares on the sea and the plane would simulate a ditching. Then we’d lower away and send boats for the rescue. Back in those days, one would be amazed at how many real incidents there were in the Atlantic and Pacific. But I digress . . . we are after all, a Classic Trains kindaplace! <grin>
Pete at 8:24 PM yesterday: And the weirdness continues with the ‘puter, eh This is TOO MUCH, really. We have had nothing but reports of difficulties since the change to the “improved” formats here on the Forums. Hmmmmmm. Of course, all of this cannot be blamed on Kalmbach – given the “persnickety” mannerisms of ‘puters and attendant connections. <groan>
Hey Mate! You are most welcome to “declare” a theme for our Tuesday event. Just be sure that it fits into the Classic Trains discussion and then go for it. I like to notify the guys on the preceding Wednesday (as I’ve done today), just to give those who participate as much lead time as possible to prepare their materials. Especially those who operate from work (Mon – Fri people).
Found these URLs on APT tilting that you (and others) may find of interest:
http://www.apt-p.com/aptindex.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Passenger_Train
Received and responded to your Email – thanx!
Eric at 1:04 AM today: Man’s gotta do what man’s gotta do. wishes to your bride from the gang at “Our” Place!
Hope to learn more about your experiences in the military once we gather here for our 2nd Annual Rendezvous this May. Must admit that I know absolutely zilch, zero, zip about the Swedish Air Force. Between now ‘n then, I’ll be sure to browse the various sites in the Ether to get up to speed. Why would steel helmets be needed in connection with air planes <bonk> <bonk> <bonk> <bonk-da-bonk> Is THAT you, Eric Gotta get that kid from backing into those props! <grin>
Boris, serve ‘em all of the “spiked” OJ they can handle!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; Coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We saw the sun yesterday for 5 minutes (first time in about a week); now we have more rain forecast, thunderstorms, etc.
Please excuse the long absence. Let’s just say that it’s work, work, and how about a little more work. Seriously, this is the time when we have to get (no pun intended) retrained/ recertified on various required subjects such as first aid, cpr, rescue, hazcom, confined spaces, etc. Something we have to do every year. Then we throw in a computer class (online authoring stuff – something I am heavily involved with), and some instructional assignments; and...well, I hope you understand. The plan, I guess, is to get everyone thoroughly worn about b4 Thanksgiving.
Anyway, there have been many interesting posts and some fine CGW information. That was the place to be if you liked f units. Many thanks to all.
I actually had a few minutes to look at some rail-related material last night and was browsing through an NYC of pictures mostly taken on and around the Hudson Division. Harlem Division, the Put, and the West Shore. IOW all points between NYC and Albany.
There were some shots of strange collections of diesels on passenger trains. These included Erie builts with EMD F “B” units, and a shot of the “Empire State Express” at Albany with an E7/PA combination. I could not tell is the PA had been reengined, as I could not see the number, and the roof details were not all that clear.
The steam material had pictures of 4-6-2s in freight service; some of the 4-6-2s on the West Shore had footboards. Then I found one of a B&A 4-6-2 on the West Shore with a freight; this engine was still lettered “Boston and Albany.” The most exotic shot was of a streamlined 4-6-4 bumped from service on 25/26 to hauling a Poughkeepsie local. I would love to find the power sheet from that day. The picture was taken in wartime (approx. 1942) so it may have been that the Hudson was filling in for whatever would normally have handled that train. Anyway, it was two cars and one mighty BIG engine.
Last was a set of shots of 4-6-0s on the Put and a fine shot of a “new” Lima road switcher with a passenger train at Briarcliff. These were pigs and did not last very long as they were seriously underpowered and not at all reliable mechanically.
The cars on the mainline trains were interesting, as 25/26 were about the only trains that had what could remotely be considered a matched consist. The other trains were mixed lw’s and hw’s; sometimes with cars from foreign roads thrown in as this was the time when transcon sleepers could be found.
In short it was an interesting evening. The point being that if you look hard enough as a modeler you can find a prototype for about everything.
Lest I forget, I call your attention to the new volume on the Broadway Limited in the Great Passenger Trains series. In a phrase, excellent; even if you are not a devotee of the Great Tuscan Father. Note to our ‘steamed proprietor: the book has more than a few shots of PRR material in and around St. Louis (designed to showcase different types of equipment). There is one photo of the “Spirit of St. Louis” with a twin unit diner and a sleeper lounge; tucked in beside it is a wooden TRRA caboose(!) Amazing what you can see if you study pictures.
Work safe
A cup of your hot coffee and a bacon roll on this damp and cold Mid-Mo morning please RUTH.
TOM. The puter seems a lot better this morning. I ran a virus check, nothing but the bride could not log on afterwards for a while then it cleared, as you say very strange.
Many thanks for the APT links. It was a common sight through my home town during its testing stage, I really regret not travelling on it when it was in public service, although at the time it was though that they would work all the main line passenger services on the West Coast Main Line when the prototypes proved themselves much like the Pendelinos do today. Reading the links reminded me how the main stream press absolutly love it when things go wrong on the railways in the UK. Also that the 70s was also a really bad time for Industrial relations in the UK, which some industries never recovered from.
I have though of an idea for a theme day. Did the railroads of North America run, what we called in the UK, BOAT Trains, where special trains were run to connect with a liner arriving or indeed regular trains which connected to the shipping services If you think its a good idea perhaps NICK and DL would help, perhaps we could pick a part of the UK each to do a post on that areas boat trains past and present.
MIKE Thanks for the links to Chicago Great Western, from the old steam locos to those great colour pics of the diesel era. The pic of the Doodle bug is a classic and even a haunted tunnel.
The link to the Flying boats is a great read and with TOM,s first hand experince of them, they were great machines.
ERIC May I join Tom in wishing your wife a . I did not realise that the German class 41/42 lasted in service until 1975. They must have been a very good design.
CM3 Good to see you back at the bar, it is not the same without you. That sounds a wonderful set of pictures you were looking at. What price a time machine.
In the yard at Jefferson City this weekend was a Cotton Belt loco #9652 which I think was going to work the local freight. Is the company still in operation do you know or did UP take it over.
Well I had better have another coffee RUTH as it is raining harder now and there is talk of it turning to snow later but heavier towards Tom's way.
Hello Tom and all in
Given Lars’ kind offer I’ll try a Keiths – as it’s his drink of choice the least I can do is give it a try since he’s buying me one (the next one’s on me Lars).
Tom – (and others) thanks for feedback on the east coast ports – I did not realise why New York was so significant (never having been there) but your messages explain a lot, most interesting.
Although I could not contribute due to lack of knowledge I enjoyed the information posted for the theme day – thanks to those of you who made a contribution.
Pete – APT technology, I have a feeling that APT technology went on to be developed in the X2000 in Sweden (Eric will help here I’m sure), but that the Pendolino is based on the slightly different technology that Fiat developed in Italy for their tilting train (could be called the Eurostar Italia?). I’m not sure what the nub of the difference is between the two approaches but may have something to do with whether the tilt is controlled by transponders on the track / trackside which tell the train when to tilt, as compared with tilt mechanism being controlled wholly by on board computers. A shame the APT project was never perfected since having ridden on one of the services that was used as a public relief train back in about 1984 (so I beat you on that one Pete, like you say we all thought they would go into service so what was the hurry - I even got taken into see the cab at Euston by a freindly driver - I was a teenager at the time) the interior design was much better / more comfortable than the cramped looking Pendolino (at least in second class, which is where I was travelling).
Maybe I’ll call in at the news agent and look out for The Railway Magazine DVD.
Tom made a good point about the Modernisation Plan – seems to be what often happens when the politicians get involved – without being too negative it seems to be that the politicians always seem to want to get more than one clear objective out of their expenditure (in this case an attempt to get the UK railway system modernised as well as get the loco building industry in a position to compete with modern US designs) – as result you end up with neither objective achieved particularly well – ie Modernization Plan was expensive and over budget and did not return the railway to profit so ultimately ended up with closures of the Beeching era being implemented AND most UK loco building industry went to the wall anyway.
Pete mentioned the tram line – yes – indeed it went passed various colliery sites, indeed the northern terminus at Huckanll was beside site of Hucknall colliery. Somewhat off topic but this link lists the Notts mines (but seems to miss off Cinder Hill) and gives their history. Those with an interest in mining may want to look (any interest to our coal mining contry contributor?)
http://www.terryblythe.co.uk/page59.html
Of course the so- called ‘Robin Hood’ railway line which was re-opened to passenger services in the 1990s and runs beside the tram stayed open to serve most of these mines when it closed to passengers in 1964. This line has been a real success in terms of passenger carrying and showed that the aforementioned Beeching Plan to close lines was over enthusiastic in many cases.
Pete – you mention the LMS diesels 10,000 and 10,001, the 1st big diesels in the UK – quite correct – a real tragedy these were scrapped.
For you friends over the pond there is some info and a pic here – you will see how the design was clearly influenced by classic era US diesel design exactly as Pete points out (something that had not occurred to me before Pete but I agree 100%)
http://www.therailwaycentre.com/Pages%20Loco/Recognition%20loco/Illus_10000.html
In fact Pete – I have seen an LMS Film Unit film which covers the construction of Diesel 10,000 it is a great film made in 1947 with much footage inside the works.
In fact I saw this film at a screening by Rob Foxon who does excellent screenings of vintage railway films around the Midlands. I often go to his Newark or Derby showings – I’m sure he screens films in or near Rugby – have any of your friends in that area seen them Pete? – if not I can highly recommend his screenings, put together with great care and attention – I have a calendar of film showings I can look out if that would help – he does not seem to have a presence on the web!
Eric – glad you liked the train testing web page, some weird and wonderful things on there – all in the name of research of course!
I’ll follow that Keith’s with a pint of Home Bitter, and one for Lars too.
DL
PS - Pete - just read your future theme day suggestion - spooky in Our Place or what? I've today been researching stuff about the Night Ferry. Not many boat trains now of course (apart from for Scottish Isls) but plenty in the classic era - points N,E,S,W - still a few routes running however. If Tom thinks this is a runner you'll have to do LMS/R boat trains surely! Still a few obscure services meet the boats at Heysham Harbour....
G'day Gents!
Ruth, take a break for lunch - I'll watch the bar.
Been awhile since we've had any meaningful actitivity during the morning and so it is pleasing to see the return of CM3 - a morning visit from Pete along with the daily connection eastward across the pond from DL. Much appreciated and long awaited!
CM3 at 9:21 AM today: 'Tis indeed a shame when work gets in the way, eh Oh well, the things a guy must do to feed the family and canines!
I have it on good authority that beneath the Christmas tree this year there will be two railroad books for moi - PRRs Broadway Ltd (Great Passenger Trains) by Joe Welsh (Hardcover - Sep 15, 2006) and 20th Century Ltd (Great Trains) by Karl Zimmerman (Hardcovder - Jan 2, 2003). Should be some great Pix to view along with captivating reading as my "spiked" egg nog gets consumed! <grin> Thanx for the "heads up" - I'm now looking forward to the Broadway Ltd with even more anticipation than before.
Perhaps one of these days (daze) we can get you to send some Pix in for our Sunday Photo Posting Day! or to me for processing and Posting. NYC is always a welcomed road 'round this joint.
Pete at 10:36 AM today: An interesting question regarding the "boat trains" in the U.S. I've not heard of them referred to in that manner, however, I do know that there were special arrangements made on the west coast for steamship passengers to be taken by limo to the trains. In New York City, because of the enormity of the place and frequency of trains running from Grand Central Terminal and Penn Station - I doubt there were specials - although don't take that with any particular authority. Just my WAG - wild A** guess! Perhaps someone else may know with certainty.
Insofar as setting up a special theme for a Tuesday - go for it! Let's mark the Tuesday following our U.S. Thanksgiving as "boat train" day!
I've also read that in Nova Scotia the Intercolonial Railway coordinated their schedules to coincide with arrivals and departures of the major steamships serving Halifax. So, I'd say we'll find sufficient material to make this a "go"!
DL at 11:06 AM today: Appears that you and Pete are "in" for a week from Tuesday! Now all we need to do is get Nick involved. Given that the man reads what is Posted - he'll surely pick up on what's been discussed and in a day or two, my guess is we'll be hearing from him on it.
Those LMS diesels reflect design similarities of at least two of Baldwins locomotives. Check these out:
Baldwin DR-12-8-1500/2 Centipede of the PRR
Baldwin DR-4-4-15 Sharknose of the D&H
I'd say the Centipede is the closer match, what say you
Catch y'all later!
Tom
Greetings Cap'n Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth my deAH you are a ray of sunshine in this rather grey world! A tankard of Keiths Ale for me and a round for the guys at the bar!
Really like those Baldwins always have. That Brit diesel surely is a cousin in design if I ever saw one.
I note the return of CM3 I'm NOT Shane! to the group and read that sorry excuse for his absence. Work, sure! <grin> Anyway, the morning seems to have returned to a degree of normalcy now that the West Virginia-man has returned.
Good ongoing dialogue between Pete 'n DL over in the UK. If I didn't know better, I'd swear that we've been invaded! The red coats (aka: lobsters) have us surrounded! <grin>
I'm "up" for the Pullman theme for next Tuesday. Don't know much about the "boat trains," but there's time to check it out. Good choices!
Ya know, I just can't let go of this thought: it really ticks me off to see those blasted ratings still showing up. Seems like two of the JOs have been expelled in one shot - or at least it seems that way. Why then do their ratings still live on Why oh why can't the forum's guy figure that out and deal with it Not at all understood or accepted.
So, it's Wednesday - no meals tonight, huh But tomorrow it's Fish 'n Chips - Friday is Pizza and Satrurday it's steak. Can't beat that with a stick, as they used to say! <grin>
Something from Wikipedia to enjoy!
Ruth, one more, then I gotta skedaddle.
Until the next time!
Lars
I'l try a Holdens Mild to start please LEON. Been to the dentist and it appears I have got to have a fair bit of work done. I suppose I shall need two anesthetics ,one for the teeth and one for the wallet..
DL You will get used to strange coincidences that seem to happen at Our place.Last Saturday just after I had posted and had replied to Tom's piece on the North Atlantic Convoys I tuned into John Platt's Network Gold from the BBC local radio,through the internet, and the record he was playing was Convoy from the 70s. It is on 6PM UK time.
I dare say ERIC will be able to shed some light on the X200 tilting. I recall seeing the APT up close at a railway works open day, it may well have been DERBY locomotive works. It is very sad to think how much work the BR workshops done and the size of the works in the 60s and 70s compared with today if the works themselves are still there.
ERIC also brought to mind,with the info, that the German class 42 steam loco class in the pics by Alan lasted in service to 1975. In the modernisation plan, BR was scrapping locos some of which were only 5 years old. It would not have been so bad if the locos were "duffers" but were consider by many to be the finest steam freight loco Britain ever had, the 2-10-0 9Fs.
Thanks for the link showing 10000 and 10001. I can remember these locos hauling the Royal Scot Double-Headed in the late 50s through Rugby although they were in the BR Brunswick Green livery by then, but in a clean condition. In the later years they and the Ex Southern Railway diesels 10201 to 10203 were mainly used on parcel trains. I can just about recall when it was those 5 and the rest was steam on main line trains, in my area.
No word from Alan on his tram trip yet, but I have sent him the link to the colleries and I am sure CM3 will be interested in the link.
Rob Foxon used to do a film show in the Town Hall at Rugby but I dont know if he still does.
Many thanks for your offer on the boat train theme.
LARS Thats a great poster. I think the date looks like 1946 just before the LMS diesel twins were built .
While the bride and I was in Boston last year we visited a pub in Harvard Square, as we were leaving we spotted a T-Shirt on sale that read" The British are coming, the British are coming" then on the back it read "But don't worry they are bringing the beer". I must say the beer in that bar was excellent.
NO LEON not as good as yours that was a scary moment .
I do agree with you on the Ratings, I cant think who DOES want them.
TOM Glad you liked the Boat Train idea, it sounds as though it may interest ROB. Thinking about it I guess most of the big liners docked in the major cities over here. I guess the London Docks could not take the big liners unlike New York, but honestly dont know.
The Baldwin Centipede certainly looks very simular to the LMS twins. I think one of the main differeces with British diesels is that there were very few classes of main line diesels that only had the one driving cab,certainly none I can think of over 1,000 horsepower.
From an earlier post I think the British equivelent of FUBAR was SNAFU.
Well another pint please LEON and a round for all.
Fubar snafu figmo. Gort klaatu barada nikto.
James, that's a neat California Zephyr at Denver you put in Tom's other thread. I rode that train when Eisenhower was President. Lots of domes, so if one is full then just walk through to the next one.
Cold Juice
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NYC Alco-GE P-2a http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nyc242.jpg
NYC GE T2B
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Little Joe on the South Shore
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Little Joes on the Milwaukee
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Spirit of St. Louis
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Well good evening Colonials and fellow Redcoats (Just give us back the tea and we`ll call it quits O.K ? )
-Although if we were to encourage partisan division,Wales v Canada Rugby Union this fri eve (GMT) would be the way to go methinks...........
Leon,beer for the company if you please (and firewater for the native scouts camped outside Fort Mentor )
-First up,kudos to TOM,BK & LYDIA(the Alberta research squad),LARS,JAMES & MIKE for a wonderfully colourful and informative theme day spread-As a big F-Unit fan with an extra weakness for mixed lash-ups I found it most gratifying --Thank you all for the hard work.
Right,some individual notes:-MIKE,nice links to the R.H.D.R,as it`s model day about this place a few extra details might be in order.....
The R.H.D.R is Britains premier 15" gauge line ( with the Ravenglass & Eskdale in Cumbria a close 2nd)-designed and built as a rich mans toy in that `between the wars` era when such things were possible it was the brainchild of Captain J.E.P `Jack` Howey who,in association with loco engineer Henry Greenly had the line built as a memorial to his friend and fellow racing driver Count Louis Zbrowski who had died whilst racing the previous year (1924) and as a place to run the 2 one-third scale Gresley A1/3 pacifics that the Count had commissioned Davey Paxman ltd of Colchester to build.
These two ( Green Goddess & Northern Chief ) and later addition " Southern Maid" are 2-cylinder versions,loco #4 (The Bug) is a Krauss 0-4-0 tender/tank purchased for construction work on the line--The next additions were a pair of `stretched pacific` 4-8-2`s-Hercules & Sampson,purchased to haul ballast traffic. After this came a pair of 3-cyl Gresley copies-"Typhoon" & "Hurricane" (although they have been converted back to 2 cyls ) Next were a pair of copies of C.P.R light pacifics-"Dr Syn" & "Winston Churchill" and lastly,aquired since I last visited the line back in the `70`s a Krupp German outline pacific " Black Prince"
Thanks for the pix-a nice little nostalgia trip
ERIC-Some confusion here dear boy,the Loco in the W.H.R yard was never part of the original stocklist but is ( I assume ) either a static exhibit or part of a restoration project aquired by the preservation company-here are pix of the wonderfully elegant " Russell" before and after mutilation in the Festiniogs` Boston lodge works
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BTW-not sure what access you have to Brit publications over there but "Continental Modeller" (Peco publications) this month has an excellent 32-pic spread on the Tag-150 celebrations at Gavle in Sweden,leading off with "Prinz August" & train -if you can`t get hold of a copy,let me know and I will E-Mail you the scans..........P.S- to your good lady wife-21 again and lookin` good !!
PETE-The sit at Llannelli ,having been declared too contaminated with explovsives residue to build on has been turned into a community leisure area for the little ones to run around on........................................................
The facilities include a dry ski slope,woodland walks, a 3.5 & 5 " steam railway and of course " Katie " on her little oval of track-it`s 10 -15 years since I visited the place so its now most likely aquired a McDonalds,bowling alley,heroin dealers,Starbucks and all the other trappings of modern civilisation -but it was a nice little place for a quiet afternoon out...........
TOM-It just so happens I have chapter & verse to hand on the first Fishguard-Paddington boat trains (also Plymouth-Paddington) from the era of the single-drivers from the pens of Ossie Nock & Charles Rous-Marten ( the acknowledged experts in the field ) complete with stock lists,mile by mile timings and all sorts of ephemera--look forward to being able to make a valid contribution to a theme day
LARS-I still have a few boxes of assorted war-gaming figures in a cupboard somewhere.......I`ll pit my Orcs,Space Marines,Napoleon`s Imperial Guard and Welsh Bowmen against any force you can muster and we`ll refight Bunkers Hill on the sand table over a bottle or three--what say you ??..
Right men,looks like it`s got late early again, the usual big hello to anybody I`ve been to drunk to reply too,see you all soon-market day tomorrow for fresh fish and who knows what besides.........
P.S---has anyone seen Bar Chandler ROB recently...??????????????????
Be good now,take care,nick
Good evening Leon , a Keith's and a round or three for those of us still standing ( just use a funnel for Nick ) Sorry to have missed everyone yesterday , the three days of midnights folloed by one day off ( yesterday ) then back into the regular swin gof things today = me being passed out and mostly non-functional yesterday ( I know most of you wonder about how functional I am on most "daze" anyway ) Still good to see the interaction continuing these last two days.
Nick -Stop riling them by calling them Colonials , I'll have to get down my Brown Bess and learn how to shoot the blasted thing again , that and I don't think the uniform fits anymore Great pictures mind you the last couple o days.Thanks for the round as well
Tom-Great rundown on te CGW your usual above top notch performance.Thanks for clearing up the Bedford Basin thing I shoulda known better ,<ugh> you see this is why we keep you sailors and old salts on the payroll
Dl-Thanks for the link to the 6 wing and the locations of their airbases. I had noticed that the book I needed for the research was loned out to a good friend of our's, Dad. Murray is ex RCAF ( joined right after the war 1946 and worked on Lancs in thier maritime reconasince rolls )Anyhow Murray was one of the main reason's that VRA was found and brought to Warplane for restoration to it's flight status. The NBooks called Living Lancaster's written by a Chap from England, it really is a good read covers all the remaning examples left. St John's and halifax were easily defended harbours, the Gulf of St lawrence was another matter, on several occations u-boats got right into the river and did some real damage, landed spies etc. The RCN lost two Corvettes and a frigate in the St Lawrence , 10 or 12 merchies were sunk in the river as well, some not all that far away from Montreal !
Pete-There are a few new recruits in the restoration groups Ours and Warplanes. Most of the veteran members have retired or passed on now. You find with warplane in Hamilton most of the flight crew and maintenance guys are retiriess from the CF or Air Canada, so the new "young" members are still in their late 50's early 60's. great idea on the boat trains. I can think of a few examples in Canada beside the Intercolonial that Tom mentioned.
James-Good to see you back, sounds like you had one heck of a good time while you were away, which is a good thing. I liked your photo contributions to tues. theme as well.
BK-Great photo's sir, thank your other half for us. Also hope your trip is a good one
Lars-Same goes for you sir, great photo's and book cver to mark yesterdays CGW fest. Allow me the pleasure of picking up a round for you .
Mike-Great selection of urls over the last couple of days. great to see our crack research dept. still is chugging along.
CM3-Welcome back sir. I almost sent our Frostbite the SAR penguin to find you.This time of the year seems a busy for you as it is for me. Only difference is I'm doing all the training. Can't wait till January when I get some down time.
Eric-You will like Rights of Passage, actually most of Greg Macdonnal's books are great reads and looks.If you can't find them on Amazon or Boarders in the states. Try www.chapters.com up here.
Rob
Good morning Tom and all in
Light Breakfast for me, with a grapefruit juice please.
Tom – both of those theme day ideas – Pullman and Boat Trains sound very good choices. I’ve got some ideas about contributions but will certainly look forward to hearing about North American equivalent services too.
Nick – thanks for that RHDR rundown – things were in fine fettle there when I visited about 3 years ago. Are you up for the GWR Boat Train routes then? Not sure if the Isles of Scilly were ever served by a true Boat Train, but the overnight sleeper from London to Penzance still connects quite reasonably with the morning boat to the Isles of Scilly from Penzance Harbour.
Rob – that information about attacks in the Gulf of St Lawrence was interesting – did not know that – it must have felt VERY close to home.
Pete – I’ll dig out Rob Foxon’s film programme schedule and see if he has dates in the Rugby area. You never know, info might be handy.
Seeing the LMS Diesels and SR Diesels must have been interesting. The SR ones of course were rather forgotten about compared to the LMS designs – I suppose a facet of coming second in the race.
One of the film screenings I was at had footage of the Fell Locomotive – did you ever see that? Some info / pic here – strange looking beast:
http://www.nelmes.fsnet.co.uk/paxman/paxrailt.htm#fell
http://www.nelmes.fsnet.co.uk/paxman/paxfell.htm
Of course it occurs to me that one loco from this era that did get saved was the GWR Gas Turbine 18000, now at Crewe I think – Can’t find a good pic of this at the mo – but it was another interesting classic era experimental design.
My APT trip was rather lucky in retrospect – the station master at our local station knew of our interest and must have been aware (probably through a BR internal circular or something) that the APT was doing passenger runs as a relief to scheduled services. He recommended taking one of these journeys to my father – who though it would be a good idea. In retrospect our mistake was not to take the journey all the way to Glasgow, but I suppose my dad did not want to bother with organising an over night stay so we took the trip as far north as we could get from the south coast that would permit a return home the same day. This meant we went as far as Preston (near ish to Liverpool for you sea dogs), and not over the much twistier (and more scenic sections) north of there where there would have been much more tilting. I recall we arrived at Euston with plenty of time and had a look over the train, including the cab, where the driver was happy to let anyone there visit the cab and have a good look round. I remember the run being smooth and acceleration was fast. I had no negative associations of the trip compared with the reports in the general media. Being an unadvertised relief train the service was not very full, and I do remember thinking the interior was well designed. The contrast between this and the Pendolino seems to be the much smaller windows on the latter (inhibiting the view), and indeed the way they have loaded seats into the Pendolino airline style, which seem to me to be very cramped (in standard class). At the end of the run we got on board the first southbound train back to London from Preston (a normal service). This was all in about 1984 I think. I must have some photographs somewhere – probably slides, I ought to dig them out.
Anyway, it was a very impressive trip – and of course we looked forward to the trains being in full service – as we know, this was not to be since Government cut off the investment tap needed to resolve the final problems. Lucky some cars from one train are preserved at Crewe, but a shame it is not a full consist.
Cheers
A blustery morning after a full day and night of rain; alas – no snow. Juneau the Wonder Husky missed the evening walk, but we made up for it this AM! <phew> That animal of ours will not be denied!
Good to see some activity from late afternoon into the evening. Hard to determine what is “normal” these days (daze) – however – as long as Tilla ‘n Cashinator keep making those sounds I long to hear – KaChing, KaChing – we’ll keep a light on for ya!
To the acknowledgments:
Lars at 4:33 PM yesterday: Nice advertisement for the Baldwin diesel-electric. Also looks like 1946 to me.
It’s not a “nice” thing to admit, but I too get irritated each time I see those “ratings” only to realize that the “blems” are from apparently two people who are no longer welcome by Kalmbach. So, as you mentioned – if they’ve been banished, why then do their less than welcome works “live” on Keep pressing the Forums Manager and perhaps things will turn about.
Haven’t heard the “red coats” referred to as “lobsters” since the last time I viewed Horatio Hornblower on a DVD set we have. In one of the episodes, “Stiles” refers to the soldiers of the King as “lobsters.” Got a kick out of that.
Pete at 7:50 PM yesterday: Don’t envy you a bit regarding dental work. I’m okay with the routine stuff – but when it comes to major work, no thanx! Even with a dental plan in force, we wind up paying handsomely for things that require deductibles, co-pays, and so forth. A major rip-off – but that’s a story for ‘nother time.
Love that accounting of the T-shirt you saw in Boston. Only thing I would’ve added is – “We’ll provide the ice!” By the by, I preferred the amber brew at the 1847 rather than the dark. What say you They also should serve ‘em up in tankards, steins or half-litre size glasses. Those “cutesy” pilsner glasses don’t get it. <grin>
Mike at 8:53 PM yesterday: Quite a potpourri of subject matter in those URLs – but all enjoyable. tup] Some funky looking electrics, at least from my vantage point. “Little Joe” Pix look fine – but the South Shore livery needs some “pizzazz”! <ugh>
Regarding your tirade of acronyms – some require definitions! <swg>
Your mention of young James appearing on “my other Thread” brings to mind something that used to boggle my aging grey matter. 20-Fingers Al used to “do that” all of the time – Post over there but NOT here. Never could figure it out. If the bar IS the “featured” site, then one would think that a person who wishes to be considered as a “regular” would at least stop by here! Very puzzling. Now, on a more positive bent – all contributions are most welcome.
Saw CFournier online yesterday. Another puzzlement, eh For those who don’t know – he was our first customer and first member of the now dormant “Order of the Stools.” A person we thought was a good friend up in Montreal. Then, gonezo . . . .
Nick at 9:00 PM yesterday: A day without Chief Chef Nick, is indeed a day without sunshine ‘round the Saloon by the Siding! <grin> Good to see ya, Mate and appreciate the platitudes, humor, Pix and RR insights.
Figured you’d pick up on the “Boat Train” theme for Tuesday, Nov 28th! With you, Pete ‘n DL on board, this should be a most interesting topic. Then if CM3, Rob ‘n Moi can come up with something appropriate from the North American aspect, I’d say we’ll be doing just fine. Plenty of time to get things in order as we approach the last month of the year. Time doth
Great Railroad Bridges - #5
Used with permission from Wikipedia.com
Eads Bridge
The Eads Bridge is a combined road and railway bridge over the Mississippi River at St. Louis, connecting St. Louis and East St. Louis, Illinois.
The bridge is named for its designer and builder, Captain James B. Eads. When completed in 1874, the Eads Bridge was the longest bridge in the world, with an overall length of 6,442 feet (1,964 m). The ribbed steel arch spans were considered daring, as was the use of steel as a primary structural material. The steel came from Andrew Carnegie on behalf of the Keystone Steel Company, the first such use of steel in a major bridge project and the beginning of Carnegie's extremely successful career in steel.
The Eads Bridge was also the first bridge to be built using cantilever support methods exclusively, and one of the first to make use of pneumatic caissons. The Eads Bridge caissons, still among the deepest ever sunk, were responsible for one of the first major outbreaks of "caisson disease" (also known as "the bends"), and thirteen workers died.
The Eads Bridge is still in use, and stands on the St. Louis riverfront between Laclede's Landing on the north and the grounds of the Gateway Arch to the south. Today the road deck has been restored, allowing vehicle and pedestrian traffic to cross the river. The rail deck has been in use for the St. Louis Metrolink light rail line since 1993.
A panoramic image of Eads Bridge
History
The Eads Bridge was constructed as the first link to Illinois over the Mississippi River at St. Louis. The domination of the river trade was no longer as important as before the War between the States, and Chicago was fast gaining as the center of commerce in the West. The Bridge was conceived as a solution to the futile quest to reverse this new found eminence.
The Eads Bridge under construction, 1870s
The bridge, generated in controversy, was also considered a radical design solution, though the ribbed arch had been a known construction technique for centuries. The triple span, tubular metallic arch construction was supported by two shore abutments and two mid-river piers. Four pairs of arches per span (upper and lower) were set eight feet apart, supporting an upper deck for vehicular traffic and a lower deck for rail traffic.
Construction involved varied and confusing design elements and pressures. State and federal charters precluded suspension or draw bridges, or wood construction. There were also constraints on span size and regarding the height above the water line. The location dictated a change from the low Illinois floodplain of the east bank to the high Missouri cliff on the west bank of the river. The bedrock was exceedingly deep.
Eads Bridge from East Riverfront MetroLink station, Illinois side (photo by: Larry Pieniazek - GNU Free Doc.)
These pressures resulted in a bridge noted as innovative for precision and accuracy of construction and quality control. Utilization of cast chromium steel components is arguably the first use of structural alloy steel in a major building construction. (Though the bridge as actually completed contained large - and unknown - amounts of wrought iron.) Eads argued that the great compressive strength of steel was ideal for use in the upright arch design. This decision resulted from a curious combination of chance and necessity, due to the insufficient strength of alternative material choices.
The particular physical difficulties of the site stim
Hi Tom
Just calling by to put my fish and chips order in - and to say I can't resist saying that those guys north of the 49th are the loyal colonials (ha ha). No doubt a reward accorded them for keeping the tea out of the harbour (mind you - does not help ensure you can get a decent cup of tea in Canada these days - my recent visit had to end up with me giving instructions on how to brew at the restaurant I was in in Halifax - mind you - and this goes for the US of A too - the credit is due as the staff were only too happy to follow the request - sadly you would not get that sort of courtesy this side of the pond if the position was reversed in all cases!).
Actually - on a serious note I was very interested to learn in halifax that there was a strong influx to Nova Scotia of New Englanders who did not want to break with the Crown back during the war of independence. That was something I knew nothing about. Have to say though that had I been there at the time I think I'd have been with the rebels!
Anyway - been thinking Tom - if the Boat Train services were not a big thing your way maybe we could include Train Ferries too - I'm sure some of them exist as I recall pictures in Classic Trains not so long ago.
Is that my red coat hanging on the hook by the door....
See you later
Back for just a minute - Ruth go ahead and take a break, I'll watch the bar.
DL - sorry I had to run earlier, Juneau takes priority! <grin>
So, where were we Ah yes, your Posts of 8:07 AM & 9:52 AM today:
Let's go with the "Boat Trains" theme for Nov 28th. As mentioned in my previous narrative, methinks we'll have sufficient material to make it work. Now train ferries could be worked in for a later time - places like New York harbor, San Francisco bay and assorted other locations had and still have them. Terminology may be different, but the the concept is the same.
While hardly the aficionado for the tea drinkers anonymous of north America (TDANA) I think in comparison with those of you in the far eastern Atlantic, we rank a distant 2nd 'n 3rd in volume, capacity and desire when it come to drinking tea! Canda #2 - USA #3.
We've visited with those who are absolutely possessed by the "get it right demon" when it comes to the preparation of the stuff in those funny little bags! <grin> I'd rather spend my time tapping a keg or better yet, popping the top on a can of my favorite beverage - Keiths Ale from Halifax!
So that's YOUR coat, eh I'd be just a bit wary when putting your arms into the sleeves. Seems that Awk, our flying mascot, has taken a liking to it - red IS his favorite color. He may have "used" the sleeves for a temporary resting place. <oooooh>
In all of our travels to Nova Scotia, I'd say the overwhelming number of people we've developed friendships with are NOT native of the province. Funny, but so many are from elsewhere in Canada - several retired in the Halifax area upon conclusion of their military careers. That's what my bride's father did after 30 years with the RCAF. Others, like my late friend in Dartmouth, came over from Scotland with his wife from the London area. And it goes on and on - not that many "natives" and therefore, not too much in terms of local history and heritage.
Yes, many from the New England area did indeed head north when our revolution gained steam. Suppose there was a connection in that the place was called "New" <grin>
Anyway, depending on who writes the history and how it gets translated (I detest revisionists!!) I too would have been for independence no matter where the soverign power was located. Dumping the tea into the harbor was and remains quite the symbol of rebellion in many texts, in spite of efforts to purge the pages of anything at all smacking of patriotism, nationalistic pride and the like. A topic for 'nother time, eh
A true story: Once upon a time . . . . Before getting into this, you DO know the difference between a fairy tale and a "sea" story Fairy tales begin with "Once upon a time," whereas Sea stories start off with, "This is No S--T!!" Anyway, where was I Ah, yes - decades ago while in a bar in St. Johns, Newfoundland, the barkeep served up brew that was so full of foam and airy, that I commented that whoever tapped the keg didn't do it right. He overheard me and challenged me on the spot. We discussed the various methods of tapping beer kegs and wound up with me in the dark, dank basement, showing him how to do it! No joke . . . brew was much better after that - probably because is was on the house! <grin> Probably couldn't do that today if my life depended on it .... ah, youth!
On a new note - for those of you planning to attend our 2nd Annual Rendezvous in St. Louis - we'll be crossing the Eads bridge on our MetroLink excursion.
Gotta get about the day!
Ruth, give 'em what they please, and Boris, ring the bell!
Good Afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
To Our ‘Steamed Proprietor – I have both of the books you mentioned; you’ll enjoy them. The printing quality is good, and, with a magnifying glass you can read the menus, publicity material, etc. that is included as illustrations.
A most eclectic and useful set of material re the Eads Bridge. Thank you.
I understand the difference between stories and sea stories. The same distinction applies when miners, steelworkers, etc. get together; often with the same preface. I believe we could swap a few (grin). Anyway, I had a friend who went to sleep in a Boston and Maine coach in North Station once and came to in Halifax - to this day he has no idea how he got there.
Mike provided some good links.
Zoiks – an Electroliner in its native habitat! Never got a chance to ride the North Shore. Those trains had food service; one of the items was an “Electroburger.” Ah, well – the information that occupies otherwise valuable space in our memories.
The P motor was a fine picture. They came east after electrification was shut down in Cleveland, and went through several r# on the NYC. IIRC, there were approx. 8 of them. Seven were used in revenue service and one served as a source for parts. I remember seeing them along the Hudson Division with various passenger trains; looked like a house on wheels. If I am not mistaken the picture was taken at Harmon. The building is a dead giveaway.
The T bucket is a nice picture as well. This was definitely taken at Harmon as I remember seeing them there. I am sure our ‘steamed proprietor is upset because the motor is obscuring the RDC car (LOL).
Now the challenge is to find a shot of an S motor. These were built c. 1905 and were still around in the 1970s. I remember very well seeing them pushing cars around at Grand Central, Mott Haven, and at Harmon. They were the pioneers of NYC electrification.
Nick – Sand table? Excellent! The Mentor Fusiliers will, of course, retreat immediately – in case they are attacked from behind. BTW, what shall we use for artillery?
DL has some more insightful info. As a native New Englander, I grew up surrounded by, and taking outside visitors to, historic sites. Yes, I did have ancestors who fought in the Revolution. Anyway, the term for those who remained with the Crown, was “Loyalists.” They did not fare very well at the hands of the other side.
If you have not read any of the following, see if you can find them. First is David McCullough’s 1776. Next is McCullough’s biography of John Adams. Last is a fairly new one by Edward G. Lengel titled, General George Washington – A Military Life. Lengel is Associate Editor of the George Washington Papers – a monstrous seemingly never-ending project. All of these books are well-written and give balanced portrayals of their respective subjects. And all you thought we did was trains...
To whet your appetite, the Old Colony (New Haven) had a Boat Train. It was one of the hottest trains on the railroad.
Rob is with us - why is it that the training always takes place whn you have lotsa other stuff to do as well?
Will be offline for awhile again as we go north to the heart of NYC country. I am in hopes of getting some material written ahead for future posts, especially as we draw closer to the holiday season. Will also be attending the Western New York RHS Train Show on Saturday; this is always a good one and a chance to see folks I don’t get to visit with all that often. I'm the old guy in the filthy Carhartt jacket. Mom will be watching Michigan and Ohio State; she’ll never know I’m gone.
Happy Thanksgiving to all
G-day Tom and all present.
Ruth- Time for some Fish n' chips along with a splash of vanilla in the coffee, Please! I can smell it allready!
Tom- I just want to start off what you said about 20-fingers Al. I know I didn't post anything over here yesterday. The reason was..I have been playing catch-up around the house-hold, school and at work, and of course, here at "Our Place" After the Train show, it set me back a little. So I only had a few minutes to spend around the classic trains forums. So I spent that 10 or so minutes I had and posted at the classical trains thread. I think it needed a boost!
But, if you think that it might happen often..It won't. Maybe a couple times per year. The few days after I've been out of town.. are a little more busier than most, but I have finally gotten through those days of catch-up, so it should be a bit easier.
BTW: thanks for the help on contacting the manager. I have been noticing the rating system and to tell you the truth it is a bit weird. And the article on the Eads bridge was very cool. That is one large, very nice looking bridge. Thanks.
Mike- I really liked your photo contribution. The old time truck sitting on that Piggyback trailer was a very cool find. That goes to show that intermodal has been around for quite some time. BTW: You're Milwaukee road photos did not go unnoticed. I always like to see a little of the Milwaukee road in there somewhere. Thanks
Pete- Yes, it sure was a busy weekend, but it was fun. I have heard of the Kansas show just never been down to it before. But I've heard that it isn't the only reason people go down there. Trains! Railfanning I've heard, is a dream down there. There are so many trains that come through you can't stop taking pictures.
Eric- Thank youfor clearing up the F-unit problem I had. For some reason F-units are hard to tell apart for me, except for a few that are obvious, like the FTs and F9 and F7. Any other F-unit I have a hard time telling what they are. Thanks.
Rob- Yes, I'm glad I'm back also. I Missed posting around here. But thanks for the comments on the photos I posted. Appreciate it.
Well I'm a bit sad that I didn't get to post pics yesterday, but life goes on. I will next Wednesday!
Happy railroading
James
CM3 at 12:30 PM today: Mixed emotions – happy to see ya, but sad to learn that we won’t be seeing ya again for over a week.
I really did see the NYC RDC, however, for whatever the reason – made no comment. For shame on the guy who professes to love those machines. <scowl>
Hope you’ll have time to prepare something on the NH “boat trains” – it would be a nice complement indeed for the Theme for the Day on the Tuesday following U.S. Thanksgiving.
Not trying to be cute about this, however – when it comes to training, perhaps the question should be: Why do things go wrong at the worst of times Aboard ship, whether in port or at sea, the daily drills were meant to keep us razor sharp for all eventualities. Kinda depends on what one is training for. If it’s to keep a business operating at peak performance – that’s one thing. If it’s to save lives and property, that’s quite another. But then, you already knew that, eh
Have a great family Thanksgiving and we’ll be looking forward to your return! By the by, thanx for the quarters and round!
Lars at 3:00 PM today: Mixed emotions regarding your suggestion on the ratings. Sure, it would be nice to build our Threads back to where they were – however, it only brings attention to them in a way that surely attracts “that element” we’re not interested in. Better way to handle it is to keep pressing the Forums Manager to get rid of the blasted thing (ratings system). Just my thoughts . . . .
Surely hope that when springtime rolls around you’ll be one of the attendees at our 2nd Annual “Our” Place Classic Trains Rendezvous in St. Louis! St. Louis is merely a shadow of what it once was insofar as active railroading is concerned – especially passenger operations. However, as mentioned in my Emails, there will be plenty to keep us occupied and happy!
Yes, I picked up on the opening day for the Cards. Good choice with the Mets –but not quite as meaningful as it used to be. When they were both in the eastern division, it meant more, dontchathink Tix – yeah, sure – I’ll get ‘em and you will come! <grin>
Tapping a beer keg goes way back in my life’s experiences, even before I tended bar up in Kodiak, Alaska over 46 years ago! I’m old . . . That particular gin mill in St. Johns was a place many of us used to frequent when the ship pulled in. We hardly ever had an overnight there – so when the Skipper made a mistake and let the pirates hit the beach – we’d head for that particular joint. Darts, pool – the whole nine yards. They treated us well, we had fun, they made money, it was a win-win. Good memories with those Newfies.
Sorry, but I’m no help with the tilt train discussion, but I am aware of the Amtrak Talgo on the west coast. Would like to learn a bit more about the use and technology of it all. Any takers
James at 4:38 PM today: The Eads bridge is a structure that has outlived many and most probably me too. What is amazing about any bridge like that is not so much that it was constructed, but WHEN and HOW. That technology has held up to this day and has a life expectancy for many more decades. I find that intriguing. Glad you enjoyed it.
Okay guyz, I think I’m done for the day. Leon will take care of your needs – and perhaps Chief Chef Nick will come out of the kitchen for a bit of dialogue. One can never tell!
Ring the bell, Boris and let’s have a drink on the Proprietor (that’s me!!)
Hi Tom and everyone a round for the house.
Gort was a robot from outer space in The Day The Earth Stood Still. Michael Rennie instructed Patricia Neal to tell Gort, "Klaatu barada nikto." Figmo is army slang for "finally" I got my orders.
CM3, Happy Thanksgiving already? OK, have a wonderful time.
I think these are S motors, ALCO-GE 2-D-2
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Incidentally, Notre Dame needs Ohio State to absolutely pummel Michigan.
Or vice versa, we're not particular. If one of the top 2 teams plays so awfully as to drop to number 3 in the subjective minds of the poll voters, Notre Dame's chance for a national championship are enhanced, if they can beat USC next week, and please God, no Army upset!
James, here's a World War II era Milwaukee Road ad
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Data about James Eads (The second set of URLs is to the same pages)
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Late in today so I had better get a round LEON and I am about ready for NICK's Fish 'N'Chips not forgetting the mushy peas.
MIKE Great set of color pics of the Electric Locos, in the first one I think the North Shore line cars weighed more than the 3 ton street sign allowed.
And many thanks CM3 for the great info on the electrics, Like Tom I hope you can do a boat train piece. I agree those Hornblower books are a great read.Have a great Thanksgiving.
NICK Russell looked the part for sure. The Romney Hythe & Dymchurch certainly has an impressive loco collection. I read a few years ago the railway ran a morning and evening train service for the local school in term time. I do not know if this train still runs, I think it was mainly diesel hauled.
Thanks for the Llanelli park info. Many years ago on a railtour of some of the South Wales branch lines we had one that left the main line at Llanelli past the Rugby ground and up a valley to,if I remember correctly, Rose Heywood colliery. Those South Wales colliery branches were some great trips in the 70s with a steep climb up the valleys, many of the tours were in the old Diesel Multiple Units.
ROB Great to see you in. As you say there does not seem to be many of the youngsters getting involved in preservation which is a great pity, it makes one wonder about the future of some of the preserved lines and museums.
Glad you liked the Boat Train idea..
DL. First Alan says many thanks for the info on Kimberley, He found the old stations and had a great day he says he will send me the details when he has fully recovered. .
Great link to the Fell diesel. I did not get to see it. I think it mainy worked on the Midland main line, it certainly was a complex machine. I recall reading that it was a strange sounding machine when it was on the move at speed.
As it said in the link. Paxmans went on to built the successful HST diesel engine.
As to the Gas Turbine, a while back now there was some very good posts of the Gas Turbines that were in North America at Our Place. The Union Pacific had some large locos of this type. Also in the Fall Issue of Classic Trains 2004 the turbines were featured. As too 18000 I believe it is still at the Crewe Heritage Centre , but I have not read anything about it for a while.
Your post reminded me of another gas turbine that was in service with the Western Region of BR. This was built by Metro-Vickers of the UK after a rather short career with the WR where it got the nickname Kerosine Castle, it was rebuilt in 1958 as the pioneer AC electric loco for the London to Manchester/Liverpool electrification scheme. I have looked for a photo and details of E1000 later renumbered E2001 but have had no luck. as far as I know this was the first AC main line loco in the UK.I do not know if E2001 was used in passenger service or was just a test loco.
From 1959 the production classes of AC locos for the electrification the AL1 to AL5 later 81to 85 classes were introduced. I never saw E2001 working but she was stored along side the steam shed at Rugby for quite a while in the mid 60s before going for scrap another unique modern traction loco lost.
Enjoyed the account of the APT trip.
LARS I will get the tee shirt if I see one again . Really hope I can get to that area again, we stayed in Providence RI. Next time I shall take a trip from there to Washington by Amtrak all being well.I thought the Green Line subway cars in Boston had some real character, and yes I walked the Freedom Trail, Old ironsides is very impressive.
JAMES Kansas City was where I first saw my US loco. They have done a real fine job on the Union Station there putting it back to its former glory. Last Christmas they had a model railroad in the main hall, and there is a railroad museum as part of the station now. TOM and I have travelled there on Amtrak but owing to late running on the last couple of trips, we have not be able to view the new features. The frieght tracks running along side the station seem very busy with BNSF and UP being the most seen when I have been there..
TOM I think we are going to have to get a keg of some good ale so you can show us your keg tapping skills at the rendezvous.. Greatly enjoying the experiences from the north, I bet there are some great tales from that bar in Kodiak.
On the subject of beer, yes I thought the amber beer at the 1847 was very good, but as you say the glasses were rather small, I did think about asking if they did pitchers altough the bride would have disowned me..
I have seen and been under the Eads bridge at Lechlade's landing in St Louis, I shall look forward to travelling over it in May.
YES as you say the engineers who built this and the other great bridges could not have known the size and weight of the freight cars of today but their bridges carry these tonnages with little or none modification to their original structure. A to them all.
I will e-mail you tomorrow Tom.
LEON let me get a round in and I'll have a Holden's Special while I look at MIKE's links.
Friday at the Tavern by the Tracks and time for a mug of freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee along with some pastries from the Mentor Village Bakery. If you’re still hungry, go for a selection from our Menu Board of <light> or <traditional> breakfasts!
A bit of activity last evening, so a few acknowledgments are in order:
Mike at 8:35 PM: Knew all about FIGMO, however, we had a slightly different definition in my outfit and era. I think you need a hobby – while The Day the Earth Stood Still was and remains one of my favorites, to chronicle the ‘speak,’ well that’s a bit too much for Moi! <grin>
The URLs show some interesting views of the Eads bridge. FYI, Amtrak no longer traverses it, whereas MetroLink (light-rail) does.
Not being interested in collegiate football, all I can say is “Go Irish!” Guess I heard that somewhere before.
Interesting that this subject was brought up, for I had lunch with a friend of mine on Wednesday, who told me all about his trip to South Bend, Indiana for a game and a couple of nights “away.” He and a buddy (both Irish Catholic cops) apparently had a great time. Lord knows who won the game! <grin> I love to jab him a bit about how many Irish kids are playing for them these days. I gotta temper it with some levity in that this guy could and can rip a good sized phone book in half. <ooooooooh>
Pete at 10:20 PM: Good to see ya and always appreciate the inclusiveness of your Posts! Brought to mind my failing to comment on the Fells loco from DLs Post. Not the best looking machine, but I can see where the design has been used – with a bit more attention to design – in other locos, especially electrics.
When I first moved to this area in 1977, there were times when I’d see some Amtrak trains crossing the Eads bridge. They used to run the right-of-way alongside the Arch and there were some great vantage points to view ‘em. I used to work about ¾ mile from that spot and it was always a good excuse for my daily exercise out from behind the desk to walk down to the Arch and back. I’m sure my guys loved it – probably wished I’d hop aboard for a loooooooong trip (one way)!
Kodiak, Alaska was one of the most intriguing places I’ve ever been. Unfortunately, I was just a kid – never fully appreciated what was unfolding before me until way after I returned to the lower 48. Isn’t that the way Having turned 21 up there and working in the environment of some rather tough characters, it surely wasn’t for the “candy a- -“ type. <oooooh> Yes, there will be some stories to share come this May at our Rendezvous!
And, should you return to Boston, perhaps you’ll be able to take Amtrak north to Portland, Maine. That route has been reinstated, and offers some fine scenery along the way. Portland is one of my favorite places to see and I think you and the Mrs. would enjoy it.
Eric at 1:04 AM today: Always appreciate having you stop by, no matter what the hour. But then, it is a tad earlier where you are, eh Anway – glad to know the Mrs. got the greetings! Perhaps we can organize an evening where all of our ladies get a chance to exchange some info here at the Tavern by the Tracks. Hmmmmmm – have to give that idea some thought.
I really knew the reason for the helmets – but my slant on it is far more entertaining!
When it comes to looks, I agree with you about the EMDs – best one is the EMD E8 – just love ‘em.
Thanx for the info on the Talgo – I’m sure there’s lots more on this subject and since we’re a Classic Trains ‘discussion group,’ the more insights we get, the better, eh
Amtrak now crosses the Mississippi on a bridge just to the south of highway 40 and more in line with the right-of-way at the station (if you can call it that!). I believe this particular bridge was once owned by the Terminal Railway Association. May still be – something to research. <groan>
Hello there Tom
I think I’ll leave that red coat well alone for the moment given your advice!
Following on from CM3’s recommendation – I’ll have an Electroburger please, with Pizza on the side!
Mike – thanks for those Mars flying boat pics and further links – I was not aware there was such a wide range of designs of US flying boat. Reading that link should we assume two of the planes still exist in their fire fighting role?
My uncle was trained in Canada to fly Flying Boats for the RAF and ended up Captain of a Short Sunderland and also flew Catalinas (I think that is what you call a PBY?).
CM3 – thanks also for those further reading ideas on the war of independence – I think in fact there were some quite outspoken people here who supported the colonists’ struggle – notable ones were Tom Paine and Josiah Wedgwood (of the pottery fame).
Lars – thanks also for your comments!
Eric – thanks for your info on the tilting technology – I think the Talgo trains are Spanish in design. I’ve never been to Spain so have not seen them.
Pete – I think the RHDR still does those school runs but I’m not 100% certain. Glad to know the Kimberley trip was a success – nice to think the info was of help.
Funny thing the internet – today no problem finding info on those classic era experimental GWR Gas Turbines today – couple of good links here with an extract from the info, which will explain why you saw this machine around Rugby I guess:
Here’s the stuff on 18100:
http://www.therailwaycentre.com/Pages%20Loco/Recognition%20loco/Illus_18100.html
“stipulations were imposed by the BTC in terms of output and projected performance, which in broad terms equated to the requirement to haul an 18 coach train weighing around 650 tons over the Devon banks.
“Between 1952 and 1958 the loco worked successfully with few major problems and clocked up some 450,000 miles prior to being withdrawn from service and stored at Swindon Works. After a short period at Swindon No. 18100 was sent to Metropolitan-Vickers at their Bowsfield Works near Stockton-on-Tees where it was converted into the prototype 25kV electric locomotive, No. E1000 (E2001).
“No. E1000 (E2001 ) did not last long on the LMR once the production fleets were in service. By 1962 the loco was at the Rugby Testing Station being used for instructional purposes. After being dumped at various locations around the Midlands No. E2001 was eventually returned to Rugby from where it was sold to J. Cashmore of Great Bridge for scrap in November 1972, being finally dismantled in January 1973.”
And here on 18000
http://www.therailwaycentre.com/Pages%20Loco/Recognition%20loco/Illus_18000.html
“Britain's first main-line gas-turbine loco was ordered by the Great Western Railway in June 1940 from the Swiss company of Brown Boveri. Although ordered some eight years prior to Nationalisation (1948), No. 18000 was not delivered until 1949.
“In late June, No. 18000 was deployed on performance tests over the arduous Devon Banks which identified the locomotive was unable to haul a 350 ton train over the 1:42 Hemerdon incline from a standing start without assistance, the maximum weight that could be satisfactorily moved was 297 tons. Although a number of technical failures befell the loco in the autumn of 1950, the machine was kept in service, normally working the Paddington-Bristol/West of England route. In December 1960 it was returned to Swindon Works and the decision taken to withdraw it from any further testing. Between January 1961 and January 1964 it lay at Swindon Works; however, in late 1963 No. 18000 was sold back to its builders in Switzerland, During the early 1990s a number of BR engineers and enthusiasts set about the task of bringing it back to the UK, and in 1994 their efforts came to fruition when it returned by road to Tinsley with sponsorship from the then Railfreight Distribution business. It was later handed over to the private preservation sector and is now on display in its 1950s black livery at The Railway Age, Crewe, in an unworkable condition.”
Had an interesting discussion about Gas Turbine with my father out law, as the APT experimental version was of course Gas Turbine, and he was involved with work on that – he said the view of the researchers was that Gas Turbine only really worked to optimum performance when it could run for long periods at high power output, but that in Britain the proximity of major cities and thus the relative frequency of stops (not to mention the need to stop / slow for other services) meant this could not happen in everyday service here – hence they felt gas turbine was not the way to go in the UK.
Tom – I’ll have a mild – no doubt the barrel won’t need changing with your skills about!
Good wishes to all
I'll start with a Kimberley Mild and can you put me down for the Steak .n.Fries for later please RUTH.
Enjoyed the links as usual MIKE. great pics and info on the Eads Bridge . That is a really good colour poster showing the great amount of river traffic on the Mississippi.
DL I tried for quite a while yesterday to find some info and pics on 18000 and 18100 on the net as well. Many thanks for the links.
It is a shame that E2001 lasted as late as 1972 and still was not saved. I believe that a member of all the AC loco classes have been saved, including 84001 which I think is the only main line example of the once massive company, The North British Locomotive Co's. modern traction to be saved.A great company who could not make a succesful change from steam to diesel/electric locomotive building.
To complete the British Gas Turbines here is a link to the English Electric Co's GT3.
http://www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=0923000018018
http://www.enuii.com/vulcan_foundry/oddities/gt3.htm.
I did not know that GT3 was first started construction at the Rugby Works of the English Eletric Co. until I read the link.. It is an interesting design as the gas turbine loco resembles a steam loco in appearence.
Very interesting info on the APT-E from someone who was involved with it..
TOM When we visited to St louis we walked along the river to Eads Bridge, on the way we heard a train but could not work out where is was coming from, it must have been on the line that passed under the bridge as shown in MIKE's links. I have had a look at my railroad atlas for Missouri and it shows the line as owned by the Terminal Railroad Association of St Louis(TRRA) it also seems to show that these tracks were moved slightly away from the river at some time. On the Eads bridge it says it was double decked with the East St Louis& Suburban Railroad and East St Louis Columbia & Waterloo Railroad, electric lines on the top deck of the bridge and the TRRA on the lower. The amount of railroad yards on the Illinois side of the river in the area of Eads bridge which have gone is amazing. Anyway I had better put the atlas away or I will be looking at it all night, it is a great book..
Looking forward to all the tales at the Rendezvous.
As it seems a bit quite at the bar I will post some pics of the two Great Western Double-framers at the Bluebell Railway in October.
The leading loco is #3440 City of Truro which is said to be the first recorded instance of a British loco attaining over 100 MPH when it was timed at 102.3 MPH in May 1904, although the timing has been argued over ever since, it was done by the very respected train timer Charles Rous Martin. Coincidently the AVERAGE speed of the Pendelino on the recent Glasgow to London non-stop special was 102.3.
The trailing loco was a Dukedog The class was introduced as late as 1936 although they were rebuilts with a Duke class boiler and a Bulldog frame. They were used on the Cambrian Railways in Wales on track where there was a weight limit. When built they were named after Earls, but the august Gentlemen objected to their names being on such old fashion locos, so the names were transferred to brand new Castle class 4-6-0 locos.
PETE.
Ruth my deAH you look simply gorgeous! What's that Tired from being alone. Hmmmmm,. wish I had known THAT was the situation - I'd have rushed on over! I'll take a frosty mug of Piels and a pizza - Italian sausage, thin crust! It's after 5 PM my time and I'm hungry!
What a slooooooooow day, especially without our Proprietor watching over things. Really, had I known, perhaps I could've helped out with the posts. Then again, who is around to read 'em ???? The Catch 22 of it all, huh
Really a changed place these past several weeks now that Doug is absorbed in setting up his new digs, recovering from injuries, and working those two jobs. All very legitimate and understandable reasons not to be here, but missed still the same. Couple that with the not-so-regular appearances of some of the guys we've gotten spoiled by routine visits and we have doldrums from time to time. Daylight hours are really getting a bit difficult to justify running the utilities. <not good>
We'll be having a house full this Thanksgiving, which is always good. The special thing about this time of year is the family togetherness, which is a big thing with us. All of the "squareheads" show up and things get a bit loud, but what the H - there's no harm, therefore no foul, as the saying goes.
Don't know about anyone else, but I spent over an hour today trying to log on the forums. No problem getting on line, but when it came to logging in, well that was another story. To compound matters, I couldn't load those Urls from DL either. So, whatever the problem, it is messing with ME! <grrrrrrr>
That's a good thought, Cap'n Tom - Ladies Nite at the bar. I'm all for it. Wouldn't have to be anything more than perhaps an hour for the gals to drop off a few lines and stick around for some responses. Then they'll find out why we enjoy this place so much. How bad can that be It's not as if they have to worry about us being out of the house - or driving home - or . . . . . good idea!
My guess is we're going to have a slow week with the holiday coming up and perhaps some taking off for other places (as CM3 I'm NOT Shane! has done). This is the week when we need to rely on our Canadian and UK friends to keep this on the move!
A round on me, Ruth and one more in the tankard, then I'm going over to my favorite booth to devour my pizza!
Have a great weekend one and all!
G'day Cap'n Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!
Leon, I'll take a JD on the rocks now that my pizza dinner is finished. Mighty good stuff!
I see that Pete dropped in just about the time of my last post - good to see ya, mate! Nice pix and conversation too.
Finally got my post out over on Tom's other thread - been a nightmare trying to stay connected. Really don't know what's going on.
All the talk about electric loco's brings to mind my favorite (and Tom's too!) the Pennsylvania RRs GG1:
and from wikipedia.com:
Power type Straight electric Designer Raymond Loewy Build date 1934 – 1943 Total production 139 AAR wheel arr. 2-C+C-2 Gauge 4 ft 81/2 in (1435 mm) Length 79 ft 6 in (24.23 m) Total weight 477,000 lb (216,000 kg) Electric system 11,000 V AC, 25 Hz Collection method dual pantograph Engine type quill drive Top speed 100 mph (160 km/h) (passenger)90 mph (144 km/h) (freight) Power output 4,620 hp (3,660 kW) Tractive effort 70,700 lbf (314 kN) Career Pennsylvania Railroad, Penn Central, Amtrak, New Jersey Transit Class GG1 Locale Northeast United States Disposition most scrapped, several preserved in static display around the U.S. Technical information The GG1s were large locomotives, 79 ft 6 in (24.23 m) long and weighing 477,000 lb (216,000 kg). The main body was a single unit formed as a bridge-truss framework and clad in welded steel plate. The driving cabs were set up high about a third of the way along the locomotive from each end for greater crew safety in an accident. A narrower section of nose in front of the cab windows enabled view forward, although the nose remained full height to carry the current-collection pantographs. The bodywork as a whole was smoothly rounded. This was mounted upon two great cast steel locomotive frames linked by a hinge at the locomotive's middle which allowed side-to-side movement. Six driving wheels (three axles) were fitted towards the center of the locomotive on each truck (twelve in total) and a four-wheeled, unpowered guiding truck was mounted toward each end. In the Whyte notation for steam locomotives, each frame comprised a 4-6-0 locomotive; in the PRR's classification system, 4-6-0s were class "G". The GG1 consisted of two such locomotive frames mounted back to back, so it was classified GG—4-6-0+0-6-4. This arrangement is called 2-C+C-2 in AAR wheel arrangement notation. Each driven axle was powered by two 385 hp (305 kW) GEA-627-A1 traction motors mounted above and to either side of the axle. Drive was through a reduction gear and a quill drive assembly. While the famous industrial designer Raymond Loewy did not design the shape of the GG1 electric locomotives, he did improve their looks by recommending a smooth welded construction be used (rather than riveted construction), along with a pinstriped paint scheme to highlight their smoothly rounded forms. The real design behind the GG1 came from the New Haven Railroad EP3 electric. The New Haven allowed the PRR to borrow a pair of EP3s for testing, and the PRR was quite impressed with their performance and decided to base the design of its electric locomotive on the EP3. One could easily say the PRR and GG1 fans owe it all to the New Haven for sending two EP3 units to the PRR for testing.[citation needed] The GG1 was designed to run on the standard Pennsylvania Railroad catenary power of 11,000 V AC, 25 Hz. This high voltage was stepped down by a large transformer mounted in the center of the locomotive body for the traction motors, cooling blowers and all other onboard equipment. The locomotive's power was controlled via a tap-switching arrangement; the number of secondary windings in use could be varied, thus adjusting the output voltage. The units were rated at 4 « First«284285286287288289290»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter Submit More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
most scrapped, several preserved in static display around the U.S.
Technical information The GG1s were large locomotives, 79 ft 6 in (24.23 m) long and weighing 477,000 lb (216,000 kg). The main body was a single unit formed as a bridge-truss framework and clad in welded steel plate. The driving cabs were set up high about a third of the way along the locomotive from each end for greater crew safety in an accident. A narrower section of nose in front of the cab windows enabled view forward, although the nose remained full height to carry the current-collection pantographs. The bodywork as a whole was smoothly rounded. This was mounted upon two great cast steel locomotive frames linked by a hinge at the locomotive's middle which allowed side-to-side movement. Six driving wheels (three axles) were fitted towards the center of the locomotive on each truck (twelve in total) and a four-wheeled, unpowered guiding truck was mounted toward each end. In the Whyte notation for steam locomotives, each frame comprised a 4-6-0 locomotive; in the PRR's classification system, 4-6-0s were class "G". The GG1 consisted of two such locomotive frames mounted back to back, so it was classified GG—4-6-0+0-6-4. This arrangement is called 2-C+C-2 in AAR wheel arrangement notation. Each driven axle was powered by two 385 hp (305 kW) GEA-627-A1 traction motors mounted above and to either side of the axle. Drive was through a reduction gear and a quill drive assembly. While the famous industrial designer Raymond Loewy did not design the shape of the GG1 electric locomotives, he did improve their looks by recommending a smooth welded construction be used (rather than riveted construction), along with a pinstriped paint scheme to highlight their smoothly rounded forms. The real design behind the GG1 came from the New Haven Railroad EP3 electric. The New Haven allowed the PRR to borrow a pair of EP3s for testing, and the PRR was quite impressed with their performance and decided to base the design of its electric locomotive on the EP3. One could easily say the PRR and GG1 fans owe it all to the New Haven for sending two EP3 units to the PRR for testing.[citation needed] The GG1 was designed to run on the standard Pennsylvania Railroad catenary power of 11,000 V AC, 25 Hz. This high voltage was stepped down by a large transformer mounted in the center of the locomotive body for the traction motors, cooling blowers and all other onboard equipment. The locomotive's power was controlled via a tap-switching arrangement; the number of secondary windings in use could be varied, thus adjusting the output voltage. The units were rated at 4 « First«284285286287288289290»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter Submit More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
The GG1s were large locomotives, 79 ft 6 in (24.23 m) long and weighing 477,000 lb (216,000 kg). The main body was a single unit formed as a bridge-truss framework and clad in welded steel plate. The driving cabs were set up high about a third of the way along the locomotive from each end for greater crew safety in an accident. A narrower section of nose in front of the cab windows enabled view forward, although the nose remained full height to carry the current-collection pantographs. The bodywork as a whole was smoothly rounded.
This was mounted upon two great cast steel locomotive frames linked by a hinge at the locomotive's middle which allowed side-to-side movement. Six driving wheels (three axles) were fitted towards the center of the locomotive on each truck (twelve in total) and a four-wheeled, unpowered guiding truck was mounted toward each end. In the Whyte notation for steam locomotives, each frame comprised a 4-6-0 locomotive; in the PRR's classification system, 4-6-0s were class "G". The GG1 consisted of two such locomotive frames mounted back to back, so it was classified GG—4-6-0+0-6-4. This arrangement is called 2-C+C-2 in AAR wheel arrangement notation. Each driven axle was powered by two 385 hp (305 kW) GEA-627-A1 traction motors mounted above and to either side of the axle. Drive was through a reduction gear and a quill drive assembly.
While the famous industrial designer Raymond Loewy did not design the shape of the GG1 electric locomotives, he did improve their looks by recommending a smooth welded construction be used (rather than riveted construction), along with a pinstriped paint scheme to highlight their smoothly rounded forms. The real design behind the GG1 came from the New Haven Railroad EP3 electric. The New Haven allowed the PRR to borrow a pair of EP3s for testing, and the PRR was quite impressed with their performance and decided to base the design of its electric locomotive on the EP3. One could easily say the PRR and GG1 fans owe it all to the New Haven for sending two EP3 units to the PRR for testing.[citation needed]
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