QUOTE: Originally posted by Theodorebear Russell, yes indeed the loss of Hank Stram and those heady days in K.C. football will never be forgotten. Bud Wilkinson's name comes to mind along with Ari Parsigan {Sp.?} as well. They just aren't making them anymore! Try to invision their salaries (today) if they were.[:O] Is it just me, or have all pro sports lost that personal "connection" to our respective "home towns?"[:(]
QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 05 July 2005, 10:09:00 Morning all, Coffee and Danish, Trollyboy the trucks are on a section of "panel" track next to the Locomotive, but they are Big, 11 tons each, what I am attempting to do is build a portable boring machine to clean up the pivot points between the side frames of the Buckeye trucks. We will build a parallel out of 3 inch angle iron and place it parallel and above to the hole to be machined, after aligning the parallel we will secure it to the frame as ridgedly as possable. Then we will put a support rod< <probably a chunk of 3 inch cold rolled I have sitting around> that will hold the brackets that support the boring bar. the boring bar will be driven by a roll motor <giant drill motor> and we will pu***he bar through the pivot hole. The Frame will have to be aligned using our car jacks so as to have all the bearing surfaces properly aligned to each other. On advice from the guys at the "home Machinist" site <http://www.chaski.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php?Cat=&C=1> I am scrapping the drill press idea in favor of a simpler approach. Ted I like the site too but no one said "what cars they wanted on the train" <G>, maybe the dance club car? Have fun all Gotta go pay bills. Gunns
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 05 July 2005, 11:04:21 All of our regulars know about the Birthday Watch List .... however, it needs to be posted repeatedly, just as a reminder regarding who is coming up next for the Birthday Bash ...... 2005 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST (rev. July 5th): February 2nd (Kevin – 49) March 5th (Nick – 45) April 18 (Al - 63) May 18th (Tom - 67) May 27th (Dave - 46) June 24th (Dan - 43) July 15th (*** – 65) July 25th (Chris - 51) July 30th (Russell – 34) August 16th (Ted - 67) September 8th (Rob - 34) Not on the list [?]Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year). Tom NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 05 July 2005, 11:38:27 Good morning Tom. If Boris isn't too busy with his ummm friends, I'm wondering if I could have the ole bottomless cup o joe and a short stack maybe? Gunns Thanks for the drill press update. I was having trouble visualizing what you were doing. Sounds like the new approach will work better. for you mechanically inclined people. Here I thought I was getting extremly high tech last summer when I was sanding down and repainting parts of the interior of S37 oh well every little bit helps. Ted Do they even still make Bromo Seltzer? I haven't seen it on shelves up here in a long time. Not since gavisgone and the like have come out on the market. Hearing the name reminds me of our one museum member. he teaches at the University of Guelph (physics) He has been getting reproduction ad art from a small company in San Fran, these guys reproduce the old header signs ( ads inside busses and streetcars) They add a nice period touch to the cars seeing the vintage arrow color or Lux soap adds etc. I'm sure that we have some Bromo Seltzer and Brill Creame adds as well. Well I've got to scoot looks like a thundery day's ahead, I'll try to pop back in later. Rob
QUOTE: Trainnut484 Posted: 05 July 2005, 12:07:21 Hello all, I'll take my usual. We enjoyed a great fireworks display last nite at one of the area parks. More displays were going off on the drive home. The funniest thing that the haze in the air was actually from all the fireworks (both backyard and public displays). The haze was gone this morning. All KC Chiefs fans are mourning the loss of Hank Stram, the Hall of Fame coach who has the best winning record for the Chiefs, passed away Sunday at the age of 82 after a long battle with a disease. He led our Chiefs to two Superbowls (I and IV), which we won nbr IV. A Toast to Hank and a big Thank You for what you accomplished. For more info go to www.kcchiefs.com Tom, thanks for including me on the b-day bash list. Remember, nothing over the top for me Last time I really "celebrated" my birthday was when I turned 21, but that's a whole different looonnnng story. Dan, I have another picture of Ernie at the helm. The name of the guy standing on the steps has escaped my mind. I do know that he made engineer that Sunday morning. Pass along a congrats from me. Trolleyboy, the Midland's ex-MKT RS3M is an Alco-EMD hybrid. For more info go to their website at www.midland-ry.org and then equipment photos. Ted, I will admit the NYC lightning stripes are an attractive scheme. I always thought Chessie's multi-color job with the sleeping kitten logo was one of the tops of the Eastern roads. I'll have another Miller Lite please. Take care, Russell
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 05 July 2005, 13:03:29 For: Trolleyboy Rob Short stack and a Keith's coming up! OOOOOOooooops - you said Joe - sorry! Just did a check on www.dogpile.com (search engine, no joke!) and found numerous sources for Bromo Seltzer! Nevertheless, WE have plenty 'round here. Take a closer look at this place - go on - check out the pix - this is an OLD building with lotsa places upstairs where OLD things are stored away. Must be seven gross of Bromo Seltzer packages tucked away beneath one of the feather beds. Boris is in a great mood this fine day, we found a bicycle tire tub repair kit for him. Gloria has returned to full form! You can send some of those thunder heads down this way - we haven't seen an appreciable rain fall since Mobey *** was a Minnow - or so it seems! Enjoy! Tom NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 05 Julyt 2005, 13:18:14 For: Trainnut484 Russell Nice, cold Miller Lite with a frosty mug ...... I was stationed in NYC when the AFL began in 1960. The New York Titans (later to become the Jets) played in the old Polo Grounds in Manhattan, right across the Harlem River from Yankee Stadium. Anyway, the Dallas Texans (later to become the KC Chiefs) played the Titans and Hank Stram of course was their coach. Tickets were never a problem in those early years and the game was wide open ... I mean fling that ball and run like the wind to catch it type of football. Lotsa fun ....... Hank was one helluva man and for anyone who appreciates real football with thinking men at the helm - he was tops in my book. RIP, Hank Stram! Glad to see you on the Birthday Watch List. Thanx for participating! By the by, it was me who talked about the NYC livery with the lightning bolts. Not that it was my favorite color scheme, but just pretty neat looking back in those times. I have an HO Alco PA/PB in that scheme and a freight F7A/B in it as well. They are both now in my retired wall mounted show cases in the Can-Am trainroom. Favorite livery [?] Well, there were many - not just one, believe me. I've ALWAYS liked the AT&SF "war bonnets" in red for passenger and blue for freight. Back when the Chiefs were the flagships of the Santa Fe - those magnificant trains looked soooooooooo cool. As i said, there ARE others - loved the Canadian Pacific maroon/grey with the beaver heralds - . Perhaps a topic in and of itself [?] Enjoy! Tom NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
QUOTE: earlydiesels Posted: 05 July 2005, 14:48:50 Hello everyone. I'll take the usual ice cold, bottomless draught, please. Russ, I really liked the newest pix you posted. The young man on the steps is Rob, who as you stated, got promoted to engineer that morning. If you look up the track behind the train, you will see our NW2 waiting for the train to pull out of town so I could do some switching. Paint schemes. Midland's president owns several locos, 3 of which are ex NYC which he keeps in TN on another demonstration rr. They are painted in lightning stripe and run great. I wish sometime we could go ride them. Sometimes that rr runs 4 E8s together-- what a symphony for the ears!! He used to work for NYC and PC and owns our RS3,also. About any paint scheme created in the early days of diesels by EMD or Alco are great. I wi***here were more color pix existing from that era. Ever since coming to the Midland, I've a special place in my heart for the old Rock Island colors on our E8. Ernie "hooked" me with a cab ride in that loco on our very first jaunt there. Another draught, please. I wonder if the juke box has Johnny Cash singing "Rock Island Line"? Our rr puts out a newspaper every season for distribution to patrons. I hope Russ got one before he left. It is quite informative.
QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 05 July 2005, 15:06:02 Afternoon Tom and the gang. Cold house draft with a shaved ham-turkey & provolone on sourdough bread with spicy mustard on the side if you could please. I've been UA of late, too busy investing much hard earned and saved cash for a new home within the last week. I occasionally have the luck of the Irish by finding a 3BD-2bath residence with pool in a upscale area for under 500K. Otherwise, not much on my end. Tom. I finally had the opportunity to review your S project, You have a fantastic concept and great photos to boot , great job with the lightweight base, I'm considering adapting it for my layout, so how about the specifics for the framework. How about scenery, structures? Now that you've taken the plunge into S how does it compare with your other scales, cost aside? Did all have a good 4th? We did a simple BBQ with the wife and family and my recently adopted cannine Leo. Dave
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 05 July 2005, 15:43:32 For: earlydiesels Dan Frosty cold botomless draught comin' right up! Really "dig" those RS series of loco's. In one of my display cases for retired loco's is an RS2 in NYC livery with lightning stripe. It's an AHM HO beauty - purchased way back in the late 60's and if I recall, the price was under $15! I still have the box .... I should check it out. Anyway, great series of loco's - real or model. We've got just about every hit that Johnny Cash ever had - there's a jar full of quarters right over there - 5 plays for a quarter - help yourself! Here's your refill ...... Tom NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 05 July 2005, 15:46:31 "I never met a livery man I didn't like"(Will Rogers). The only possible exception would be the Florida East Coast Line with that weird shade of violet, purple, wine, burgandy? BTW, Minnie the Moocher (my cat) is a dead ringer for the C & O (Chessie) kitten, same pattern of markings, etc. Minnie keeps about the same hours for r. & r. as well. I'm doing B & O and Southern Rwy (HO) mainly because I love their steam and livery of the Diesels. Probably wondering why I "scratch built" the K.C. Union Station, aren't you... DON'T ASK! It just came naturally. Yes Rob, the old Bromo Seltzer Building is still a prominent landmark in dowtown Baltimore. The architecture appears to be of the early WPA gothic or perhaps late Halloween period. In any case, I rarely use the stuff. Another "shot" will either "kill ya or cure ya." However, do not try this at home! Gunns, I guess my private car lease must be the Georgia 300. She's the closest one to me out of the whole lot and not a shabby looking old gal at that. Hey folks, Gunns just may have something here. How many are we, a dozen? Imagine if we could all find a suitable time frame for "chiping in" and leasing our own car, "coast to coast.?" Everyone could bring their brides to do the cooking and washing while we sit on the open platform waving at the traffic. Yes, I know Tom, I'm awaiting a "pink slip" for that one. Russell, yes indeed the loss of Hank Stram and those heady days in K.C. football will never be forgotten. Bud Wilkinson's name comes to mind along with Ari Parsigan {Sp.?} as well. They just aren't making them anymore! Try to invision their salaries (today) if they were. Is it just me, or have all pro sports lost that personal "connection" to our respective "home towns?" Okay, I've worked-up a powerful thirst here Tom. How about a tall "Bloody Shame Mary," less the garbage? Maybe it will help me remember what day this is, or which planet we're on! I see Boris has been using the meat clever for slicing the lemons and limes again. The ceiling looks for all the world like the Hanging Gardens of Babylon. Two, count 'em, birthdays in July! Nick can use my liver for a sieve by the end of the month. Cheerio Mates, I'm outta here.
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 05 July 2005, 16:13:53 For: West Coast S You're in luck - that spread over there on the buffet table is on the house Fresh bread this AM - meats and cheeses all from yesterday and refrigerated over night. Help yourself! House hunting in California! Yikes. Been there, done that back in the mid-80's in SoCal. Horrible luck as I had to go unaccompanied for what turned out to be my final tour in my 32 year career. Anyway, the prices then would gag a healthy maggot - so when you refer to $500k, I'm surprised that there any in that price range. Well, suck it in Mate - mortgages are like hemorrhoids, everyone gets at least one, sooner or later! Good luck in your new digs! Party at Dave's House! Glad you like the S-gauge progress. Specifics [?]Well, pretty simple actually. I used 2" insulated foam - two 4x8 ft sheets for my 4x7 ft layout. The frame is aluminum "angle iron" with some bracing beneath it all in the form of flat lengths of aluminum stock. When in the "down" position, the whole thing rests on three saw horses - collapsable type - one at either end and one in the middle. The raising and lowering is handled by a 4-point hoisting system manufactured by Harken - http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/scpdinw1.ShowProd?409Z56LC7CH6I - should show you the system I'm using. Now, there's much left to do - landscaping in particular. I'm not going to do much else - probably no buildings, a few trackside "things" - but no room for anything else. This isn't a layout in that sense - this is a play thing primarily for ME. I love the size and am pleased with going with American Models and S-Helper Service for the loco's, track and rolling stock. Transformer is from MRC - dual power AC. Compare you ask [?] For the sheer joy of looking at it - this is fantastic stuff. I think HO is the best for realism across the board. But I've always thought S-gauge was the "right" size for model trains. You say cost aside - well that's hard to eliminate, because it's there, all of the time. This stuff is so darned expensive - those loco's cost 600 percent more than my average costs for one HO loco. No joke. Anyway, I'm happy with what I have - not so with the incomplete status of my order - but that will soon get rectified ...... or else Boris will be taking on a new assignment! Glad to learn you enjoyed your 4th ...... everyone here did, except for Juneau he really was very unsettled with the booms and bangs all weekend. Can't handle the noise. Hope Leo did better. See ya! Tom NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 05 July 2005, 16:24:28 For: Ted HooBoy - bring our brides to do the cooking and washing [?] Are you out of your mind, man [?] Perhaps it would be wiser to just put the twelve of us in a Budd observation dome car - like the V IA Rail Park cars. It would be a blast ..... but cooking and washing, you say [?] We'd have a dining car and of course changes of clothing provided to us along the way ...... fantasy world, here we come! Better count again, Mate - three birthdays this month - count 'em again! Poor Nick he'll be working for that bath tub gin money ...... Ted You're a piece of work, but one that we appreciate having 'round here. Here, take a hair of the dog ....... you seem to be in dire need my friend! Tom TED READS THE SUMMARIES, Do you [?]
QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 05 July 2005, 17:17:10 Pool party with West Coast S Is Boris waterproof? It was only 109 degrees in the shade this weekend! Leo didn't take kindly to all the noise, of course he runs at the sight of his own shadow and cowards when he sees himself in the mirror. Tom.. this is my third adventure in owning So Cal property and it ain't getting cheaper by the year. I do plan to sell my LA property to offset the mortage as soon as the right number is offered. After that who can say? I just might retire early and spend my free time harassing the wife and persuing my hobbies. Dave
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 05 July 2005, 19:29:40 For: West Coast S Dave Water and Boris don't mix - he'd sink like an anchor. However, should he bring his inflatables to the Party!, well I'm sure they'd help keep him afloat ..... Boris ring the bell now - because I'm going [#offtopic]- drinks all around! Real estate and home prices rank right up there on my list of things that annoy me very much: (1) Warm Beer (2) Wet toilet paper (3) Home prices In my varied experiences after retirement - I took two 4 week courses in real estate - one to get a state license for sales, and the second for the broker's license. Why [?] Simply to learn as much as possible regarding why people seem to think that buying and selling homes MUST be handled by someone other than one's self. I never planned to use either of the licenses and wound up pretty much vindicated in my beliefs that one does not need to automatically award a percentage of the sales price to anyone for services rendered when those things surely can be done on one's own. To each his own - I choose to not play the game. No doubt that we've become very much accustomed to contracting out virtually everything that used to be done individually. I've seen mail boxes being replaced by a "service" that specializes in such things. There are very few lawns being cut by homeowners these days and I cannot recall ever seeing a homeowner actually painting his own home. About as rare as dial telephones - all of it. So, when you talk of $500k homes, I'm actually surprised that there are even any at all in that range in an area described by you. We too have homes in that range - but those are top dollar, I can well imagine that in LA, they go much higher indeed. They surely were out of my price range back in the mid-80's when I got transferred out there. Wound up on an unaccompanied tour - my final as it turned out - simply because the homes were outta sight for my wallet. Okay - back to the subject at hand! Drinking! Whatillyahave [?] Tom NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
QUOTE: Trainnut484 Posted: 05 Jul 2005, 20:05:02 Good evening ladies and gentlemen or reasonable facsimilies I'll have an ice cold mug from the tap. Dan, I did some researching in my slide collection, and found one of 142 in JD green taken 5/73 in Parsons, KS. Tom, warm beer and wet TP are definitely two of my least desirables. Did Boris left the beer out and tried to keep them cool by wrapping them in tp? Ted, I'm really interested in seeing a pic of your HO scratch-built Union Station. Kevin-Gunns, hopefully pics of the latest progress on 2926 will be posted soon. Wow, that first one went down smooooth. I'll have another one. Take care, Russell
QUOTE: Trainnut484 Posted: 05 Jul 2005, 20:28:42 My suspenders must've got caught on my stool. I'll have another draft. Ted, we in Kansas City are very supportive of our Chiefs. My wife wasn't really a Chiefs fan let alone a football fan until she met me Now the Royals on the other hand...well...it's a very good thing they let the kids run the bases after home games. George Brett has his own restaurant/bar/grill at the Country Club Plaza next door to Arrowhead West (Chiefs memorabilia store). Take care, Russell
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 05 Jul 2005, 22:02:05 For: Trainnut484 Russell That's a great line - suspenders caught on the stool! I've called Missouri home since 1977 and maintained a home here even while assigned elsewhere. Been visiting KCity perhaps on an average of three times a year over that time. Love watching the Royals - don't care about the record - a great baseball park. We used to be fans of the IHL Blades at Kemper Arena. Had lots of fun there .... always have dinner at the Golden Ox before games. Now the UHL Outlaws are trying to keep hockey alive. Don't know whether the fan base will handle it, quite frankly. Couldn't keep the NHL Scouts ...... Now, we'd love to see the Chiefs, but there's just no way to get decent single game tickets. Great football town, no doubt about it. The drive between where I live and downtown is about 3 1/2 hours, obeying the speed limits of course. Don't particularly like I-70. I take the train out there at least twice a year by myself for turn around round trips. Been doing that for about 15 years too. KCity is a nice place to visit. Used to have a couple of friends with the KC PD - got some pretty good "scoop" on places to go, etc. Okay, 'nuf of this ...... [#offtopic] again for me! Ring the bell, Boris and set 'em up. Nite! Tom NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 05 Jul 2005, 23:37:11 = Good evening again guys. OOps just missed Tom rats! Russell Thanks for the link I'm going to bookmark that for later perusal. I like the museum type links. It's good to see what everyone else is doing. Ted So the Bromo building is still there. I'll have to look for it the next time I'm in Balt. I think I'll stick with the gavisgone though works a lot quicker and less likely to kill you. BTW I'd love to see picks of your KC union as well, and of that homebuilt streetcar out in your garden as well. And you say Gunns and I are the building hero's. Modeling is just as important. Westcoast Congrats on the house but wow, I could by 4 here for 500K. Sounds like SoCal a lot like Toronto real estate wise. You can't get much that's livable anyway in Toronto for under 350K and that would be at least a 50 yr old house without a lot of property. Hearing the baseball stories makes me remember that my dad and I were at the game in Toronto when George Brett was thrown out for the pine tar homerun. That was 84 or 85 can't remember now. Wow I'm way [#offtopic] Tonight. Think I'll buy around and head out. The museum beckons tomorrow, I'm supposed to get some PCC training in. (got to keep up ones ticket ) As long as the rain holds off we should have a good day. So Tom I'm willing it in your direction as I hate working outside in the rain. Later gents. Rob
QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 06 July 2005, 06:30:01 Good mornin' everybody, Boris how about two five minute eggs mounted on a toasted English, hash browns and a side of that delicious Canadian Bacon Rob brought from the Ontario Hinterlands. Thanks, but no Florida O.J., "familiarity breeds contempt." Tom and Russell, it looks like we three definitely agree on K.C. and its' environs from the Stadium to the Golden Ox. The Country Club Plaza is always a "Hit" during Christmas season. I used to ride the Country Club street car from 39th St. and Main to the Plaza and remember the wonderful aroma by the Wish Bone bistro. Well, the pressure is on for me to get off my "rusty, dusty " and send some pix of my humble efforts. I still haven't sprung for a digital camera but I suppose there is no way out, any suggestions? Every time I get the urge, I think of what the money could purchase in rolling stock. Russ and Rob don't expect too much from my K.C. Union Station. It is a "Front" only as I haven't the space for the entire structure. The grand concourse, by necessity, projects from the front of the bldg. and on a lower level than the prototype. It may take a while to "get it together" but at least now pix are on the "front burner." The Interurban (Radial) G gauge (1:30), still needs a trolley pole which I'll get to a.s.a.p.! Hey, you young "whippersnappers" are rattling these old bones. Its okay, after yesterday I know "its later than I think it is." Any input on the digital camera and the proper color for the Santa Fe Palace Car (circa 1890) will be gratefully appreciated. Meanwhile Rob, here is a Web site I stumbled into via Google: North American Vintage Trolley Association. You probably know about it but "just in case." Also, www.tecolinestreetcar.org for local Tampa street car info. (double truck Birney clones). OHH Gad Boris, where did you have these eggs vulcanized? Never mind, I have work to do before the tropical Sun turns me into a raisin. So long for now, happy rails, Ted
QUOTE: Trainnut484 Posted: 06 July 2005, 07:20:27 Good morning all. Boris, I'll have coffee and a Belgian waffle. No eggs for now. Ted, the late 1800s are out of my model and knowledge range. I've found something though that might be useful, try this link; http://atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Passenger/CoachGreen.htm Another link you might try which has more options; http://www.qstation.org/atsfresource.html#Passenger Now, for a digital camera, it depends on how much you want to spend. You can get a great 3 to 5 megapixel digital camera in the $200-$400 range. Almost all digital cameras come with a memory card and batteries, but the memory card can only hold about 10-15 pictures, and the batteries only last so long since digital cameras eat a lot of batteries. I recommend getting rechargeable batteries and a memory card that can hold about 40-80 pictures. Those will add an extra $100 or so depending on the memory card, but well worth it in the long run in terms of saving a ton of money in batteries and film. Also, most digital cameras come with USB cables for downloading pictures from camera to computer, and cables to hook directly to tv to instantly view pictures. Walmart and one hour photo places can develop your digital prints. Canon and Nikon make great digital cameras. Sonys are ok, but they have their own memory cards and are sometimes not available where convenient. I think all that's good to get you started. I don't want to overload you with too much info. Boris, more coffee please. Take care, Russell
QUOTE: Trainnut484 Posted: 06 July 2005, 09:46:06 Good morning all again. Barkeep, I'll take a cup of coffee. I'll take it easy on Boris lol I'm going [#offtopic] again. Shee***hat sounds like the bell for Lurch or a foghorn with a bad cold For Tom, I don't know how many megapixels your camera is, but 350 pictures with room to spare on one 128 card is stretching it some, unless you lowered the resolution on your camera to 1 megapixel or you do have a 1 megapixel camera. 1 Gigabyte cards can hold 350+ pictures depending on the resolution (megapixels) on a digital camera. Not only are Walmart and 1 hour photo places are cheaper, but printing at least 200 pictures on a digital printer would take about two or three hours, and a couple of ink cartridges. No thanks on the refill. One more cup of coffee and I'll burst LOL Take care, Russell
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 06 July 2005, 10:02:25 Hey Russell Camera is Sony DSC-S75 3.3 Megapixel and my image size is 1280 x 960. This isn't the first time I've exceeded 350 photo's on those sticks. Also, my digital printer does not use ink cartridges ... everything needed is included in with the paper pack. I set it up to run - go away and do what I want, and the pix are ready for me. No sweat. It's just a matter of preference - to each his own, right [?] Okay - now, let's move on to the subject around here - which is Classic Trains - real or model will do fine, Gents! I can't afford too many more freebies ....... Tom NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 06 July 2005, 13:10:24 Morning Tom and the gang.. If you spell me awhile i'd like to weigh in on Ted's request, I have a Pullman paint guide from around 1900 that should clear up the matter as to color. The Palace cars assumed legendary status far in excess of the actual number built. A short history of the palace Pullman Car: Practically all were hand built to customer's specifications and configurations, open/closed vestibules,typically in the 80-85 foot over couplers with one example being 92 feet, finished and furnished to the customers requirement. The Pallace Cars were a victim of changing times in American railroading and made obsolete by 1900 due to evolving safety requirements and cost to build, maintain and operate , their wooden frames/sills and Allen Patent Paper Rivited Wheels assured a short life as the carbuilders switched over to steel. The palace would be found only on a few select railroads Most roads loathed operating them as they were giants of the rails during a time when 60 foot cars were considered standard. To my knowledge none survived for future preservation, but I could be wrong if a series of slides I shot 1978 in Colorado prove otherwise. I don't know the history of the car I located being used as a residence or if it still exist. But, without a doubt it had Allen Paper Wheels and rivited trucks. Gives one pause to consider perhaps one did transcend time . Speaking of finds, a number of years a hilltop lot was sold in the San Fernando Valley, the house was in utter ruin, no problem as the new owners planned to clear the property. After clearing heavy brush, lo and behold the outbuilding turned out to be a de-trucked SP 60 foor Harriman RPO in fair condition. The owners took out an ad in the LA Times seeking the services of someone who could remove it. A informal group of preservationist I associate with made contact with the owner with the idea of recording its history, we have no means to remove the owner was advised. After convincing them we didn't escape from Wadsworth, they granted permission to be on their property to do a detailed study. As our findings progressed the owners began to take a keen interest in the car inquiring as to its history and the feisibilty of restoring it as a guest house. The end result was the owners decided not to remove and scrap and are in the process of locating some orginal interior fittings and furniture to complete the restoration. Hail, one more for railway preservation! Tom what do you recommend for lunch this fine day? Dave
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 06 July 2005, 13:13:53 Good Morning All Guess I will Have a Crown and water back. We have good news on the home front in California today the Budget passed and only six days into the new fiscal year must be some kind of Record. The best news is the transportation package passed untouched so that is good news for Amtrak California, ACE, and the other commuter rail agencies. Rail was a very big part of the transportation package both additional Surfliners and California Cars are included plus the first overnight sleeping cars to be owned by any state not sure whether they are going to be California Cars or Surfliner cars. Proposed overnight route is along coast line and second route is along old San Joaquin route. Should be in service within two years. Good news for the state. Good news for travelers and good news for the railfan community . When I hear more news on the additional cars will let you know.
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 06 July 2005, 13:36:03 For: West Coast S Dave Nice info exchange going on - that's one of the pluses of this thread, don't ya think [?] Lunch [?]ALWAYS go with those great subs/grinders/heros/jhoagies - freshest meats in the county and freshly baked bread from The Mentor Village Bakery - wash it down with a couple of brews and you'll not want to return to work! Tom NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 06 July 2005, 13:38:25 For: passengerfan Al That IS good news - as said here previously, California leads the nation in commitment to passenger rail. Can always count on you for the rail scoop! Tom NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 06 July 2005, 13:43:10 [size=3]AN INVITATION TO VIEW TED'S FANTASY CAN-AM RAIL JOURNEY[/size=[3] Click on this url: http://www.railimages.com/gallery/thomasweber Then go to pages 5 and 6 - look for Ted's Fantasy Can-Am Journey and follow them sequentially .......{click to enlarge the first pix, then use the >> to advance through the rest of 'em) Enjoy! [tup] Tom NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
QUOTE: wrwatkins Posted: 06 July 2005, 16:30:45 Good to be back in Texas. My how we filled up our pages in just one short week-six pages. Glad to be out of Libya. We like water and grass and there is not too much of it there. Yes, they have the Mediterranian Sea, which I could see from my hotel. A little humor. Getting out of Tripoli is an ordeal. There are twelve, yes 12, checks of your documents from the time you get out of the car until you enter the plane. Even xrayed the luggage 3 times. The plane makes one round trip from London to Tripoli per day with one hour on the ground to turn around. On the way down two of the three restrooms broke. They delayed the departure 2 1/2 hours in an attempt to fix the rest room. No luck. Rather than cancel the flight and leave us in no mans land in the airport BA flew back to London with only one operable restroom. They asked each of us to use the airport facilities before boarding. My seat was in row 3 near the one operable restroom. Initially I was charging 50 pence to use our restroom with the price increasing to £5 as the flight went on. Managed to collect £38.50 this way. Some one in the back cut into my business by selling plastic bottles. I did get a triple gin on the return flight. All for now. Have to catch my commuter train. Cheers, ***
QUOTE: purplejude Posted: 06 July 2005, 16:41:25 Hi, I am a brand new member, have been looking for a website for railfans. Have been very depressed since hearing congress may eliminate Amtrak. Has there been any good news? I have been a huge railfan, mostly passenger trains since the 1950's!!!
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 06 July 2005, 17:23:15 Hello purplejude and [#welcome] to "Our" Place. This is an adult cyber bar 'n grill where the discussion focuses on Classic Trains. As you will find out, Kalmbach has provided all of us with many forums to discuss our favorite aspects of railroading - whether they be real or modeling. So do yourself a service, and check them all out. By the way, I noticed that your profile doesn't really tell us much about you .. .check mine if you'd like. It helps to "know" who we're talking to. Just click on my cyber name - siberianmo. We have a few guys conversant with Amtrak and I'm sure that if you come back, you'll find the information beginning to flow. Around here, my suggestion for you and anyone else new to this thread (that's what we call topics - threads) is to go to page 1 and go through all of the pages, if for no ohter reason that to determine whether this discussion is what you would like to participate in. If so, we'd love to have you around here! See ya! [tup][swg] Tom (Siberianmo) Proprietor of "Our" Place
QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 06 July 2005, 17:27:42 Welcome to "Our Place" Purplejude, let me the first to offer to some cool refreshments. What will it be? Have you met Tom yet? . If its classic trains and railroading you've come to right place, I don't follow Amtrak, I guarantee someone here does however. Welcome aboard Dave
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 06 July 2005, 17:28:30 For: *** [#welcome] Home! Now that you are back in the good old U.S.A. it's time to get back to the subject matter ........ Classic Trains!. Globe trotting exploits are fine, and we've appreciated your reports, but you are a wealth of info regarding our topic. So, take a deep breath, and let's get with it. [swg] Catch up using the SUMMARIES! Friday, the 15th, is YOUR Birthday Bash. PLEASE - please let us know what time you plan to be on line (CDST) so that we can coordinate as much of the fun as possible. It is your day after all. [tup] By the way, I didn't catch your order. Whatillyahave [?] Tom NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES
QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 06 Jul 2005, 20:41:32 Good Evening everyone, I can't stay long but I want to thank Tom, Russ, Dave for your input on the respective inquiries in my last Post. It’s good to have you back ***. My flights on B.A. weren't much better than yours. Looking forward to your Birthday the 15th. Great news passengerfan Al at least one out of fifty States is doing something right! Hey Gents, if you haven't taken my "cyber dream" rail trek on the Can-Am; I highly recommend it. My body temp. must have dropped 20 deg. F. in that pristine Fall/Winter setting. The scenery, Moose, Deer, Beaver, Mallards and Geese abound in the lush forrests. Don't miss it. Oh, you might want to skip Don's hot dog stand however. No offense purplejude but AmTrak ain't never been as good as Can-Am. Okay, a 'round for all please Tom and I really gotta get back to the urban renewal project on my HO Pike. Happy rails to all, Ted
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 06 Jul 2005, 21:19:37 For: Ted Was beginning to wonder if ANYONE had read the post regarding your fantasy trip with the Can-Am RR. Glad you enjoyed it. For those who haven't a clue with regard to what Ted is referring to, check out the post near the top of this page (42) ........ Whatillyhave [?] Can't just pop in here without ordering something! Tom TED READS THE SUMMARIES, Do You [?]
QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 06 Jul 2005, 23:13:36 Good evening to all the regulars here in Our Place. Tom, a cold Alex’s please, no glass. I’m sorry I missed Dan’s birthday the 24th June. Hope you had a good one. Earlydiesel, where is the Midland RR ? Do you have a Day out with Thomas over there? Russell, nice pics of RS3- Emd mix. We do have some strange looking locos around here too. Now I’ll sit on my stool and tell you about my first sortie since I got out of the hospital. I went with my son Thomas at the Delson train museum today. I think I shot at least 100 digital pics. There is something for everyone of the regulars and as soon as I get my USB camera cable from the office I will send pictures of my visit. There was many streetcars, trolleys and the likes for Rob, and we had a couple of rides in a beautifully restored wooden car while Thomas sat beside the conductor! For Tom, I took pictures of a CP Budd dome-observation Park car under restoration, and 2 Budd ex-CP RDCs. For Nick, we have here a Mallard type lettered for the Flying Scottsman, a 4-6-2, and ON’s RS-3, I climbed aboard a perfectly restored CP’s 2-10-4 SELKIRK, a CN’s big Northern, and many many more steam engines and passenger cars, heavyweights and even some all-wood century old cars! And diesels: 2 Alcos FA-1, a CP’s Trainmaster built in Kingston by CLC, a CN F-7A, a VIA FP-9A, old U-boats, a gigantic and fully operational MLW’s C- 640 (Alco), etc, On our way back we saw a CP freight with a Union Pacific SD between 2 CP locos (too far to identify...) which is very unusual around Montreal. As soon as I get my USB cable back from the office I will try to post or email the pictures. BTW Tom the N de M electric loco you saw on a siding near highway 20 is still there at the GE-Hydro shops for repairs, it’s been there for a long time with some Alco switchers and a RS-18, and a couple of U-18B!!! (ex- Maine Central?) Hope you guy's had a good 4th of July, I was unable to get on-line with AOL yesterday... Got to go to bed now, see you later, and don’t forget to keep your stick on the ice! Chris, (a Western Pacific fan that never saw one in person...)
QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 06 Jul 2005, 23:19:53 Hi All, Cold bottomless one for me, Not too much for today’s work day, mostly making tools and hacking away at the builders plate pattern. How ever Travis <a NMSL&RHS member> is bringing me a disk of recent pics of the work, I'll get them up tomrrow. Wednesday, 06,05 Work, continues on the Tender trucks, Needle scaling on brake rigging, mounting plates for the brake cyls. were reinstalled on truck 13, the cyl hone for the tender cyls has been completed, cyls will be honed and new rubber cups will be fitted. Work on the pattern for the Builders Plate is nearing completion. Drawings and folios continue to be transferred to CD-Rom. More to come, Gunns
QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 07 July 2005, 06:37:03 Hooorah! Sounds to me like Chris has made a dramatic "turn around" You see Chris; all of those "Toasts" to your health by "Our" Place Clientele was not in vain. Great to hear you are catching-up on "quality time" with Thomas and Family. It is early Tom but this is a special occasion; a 'round for all of "the willing," please. Chris, some new faces: Gunns, TrainNut are steady contributors and PurpleJude dropped in to "test the waters." Tom, it looks as though this Thread has reached the point of "critical mass." There logically will be some individual Posts that seem to be, well, exclusive for one or another esoteric subject. However, I have great faith that this "membership" will not allow "Our " Place to collapse under its' own weight. I'm going out today to check on the "tech" end for uploading pix before it gets hotter than Boris' "Gloria" (Latex Bunny). We have an univited guest on the way, Dennis, a.k.a. "Wind Bag." I'm all set from last years' onslaught for a quick "board-up." Now, would be a good time for that AmTrak excursion...to Canada, not New Orleans! An old friend needs a ride home from the Chevy agency right now. So, if you could pour me a "bracer" of Anisette, I would appreciate it Tom. U.S. 19 (Fl.) isn't called "Kamikaze Road" for nothing. Be back a.s.a.p. with something actually "on topic." Hey, keep those SUMMARIES happening Tom. We wouldn't know whether to take a "dump" or "draw small stores" without them! Happy rails You's guys.
QUOTE: wrwatkins Posted: 07 July 2005, 07:49:03 Glad to be in "safe" old Dallas. Welcome to our group PURPLEJUDE. I am sure that you will find it enjoyable as I have. We are a fun group who keeps from slurring other people and things. Tom, our housekeep, will more than ply you with good liquid and solid refreshments. While we are at it, Tom, could I have a strong cup of coffee and a Danish? It is a little too early to hit the hard stuff. Thanks, Tom. Ah my birthday. How about 9AM central time for the bash on Friday July 15. I will be on then and will be letting off a little steam. I think I am going to request hazardous pay. As you know I am going to London on July 16 for a week of work. After what happened on the Underground and busses this morning hazardous pay is definitely warranted. I will be using, if they are back in service, the lines and stations that were bombed. London has a great transit system and I enjoy using it extensively. Have toured several of their facilities and even rode from Westminster to Stratford three months before the line opened. We rode on a work train. This line goes through the Docklands area and is laid out with minimal curves as opposed with the rest of the Underground. Remember that the Underground is over 125 years old. The new line has some of the highest speeds anywhere on the Underground. The terminus, Stratford, also is a station on British Rail, Docklands Light Railway, and the Central line. Tourists constantly go to the Stratford station and ask where Shakespeare's house is located. The answer is about 200 miles north as it is at Stratford on Avon, not Stratford. Cheers, ***
Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!
Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter