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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:42 PM
Morning Tom and the gang...Round of MJB and a basket of those excellent Mentor Village Bakery Blueberry Muffins if you please...

Tom.. Encore, encore!! Though my visits are not as numerous as in the past, I look forward to engaging with the group whenever I can aquire some computer time. I agree that the "hit and run" mentality has no place among this forum. Common courtesy dictates that that we with common interest acknowledge the efforts of others..

Al, Rob, Pete, and all who frequent "Our Place" the quality in our topics is reflected by work such as yours, Tom..I can't overstate the thanks we owe you for the effort you put forth maintaining and moderating this site for the pleasure of others.

Excellent fallen flag review and last Sunday looked its usual best. Enjoyed the traction review, Al excellent job on the passenger side. As for myself, I did something this week i've not done in a long time, attended a rare book and paper show, some of the finds included:: A complete set of McKeen Motor Car drawings ( For a future S model) and a massive 30X40 format binded erection drawing published by the Sacramento Shops in 1922. More austure was set of books covering the Scaramento Northern (drat!! no Pacific Electric to be found!!). These erection drwaings are the actual ones used by shop forces to assemble steam power, a usefull modeling tool if they can be found, this is my second set so i'm making progress, twelve more to go!!

Well, thought i'd contribute my 2 cents this fine Saturday, I shall return when time permit.


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Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:05 PM
Tom Just popped in again

Was looking on your photo album after reading your excellent Encore about the RDC trip to Lillooet, A real shame that they dont run today you were indeed lucky to have the chance to go on such a great journey.
While I was doing this, on a programme on BBC radio, a song by the Kingston Trio was played about a man trapped on the Boston Subway it was called MTA or The Man Who Never Returned( the radio faded at the wrong time). Do you know this Song[?].

Always good to see you DAVE [tup] and good words too.

Another good joke DOUG[:)] PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:29 PM
G'day Gents!

Good to see some activity 'round the place on a Saturday! I'll get to the acknowledgments a bit later on - but first, this is for Pete

QUOTE: M.T.A. Lyrics
From The Kingston Trio at Large
Date: 07/01/1959
Jacqueline Steiner/Bess Hawes
Spoken:
These are the times that try men's souls. In the course of our nation's history, the people of Boston have rallied bravely whenever the rights of men have been threatened. Today, a new crisis has arisen. The Metropolitan Transit Authority, better known as the M.T.A., is attempting to levy a burdensome tax on the population in the form of a subway fare increase. Citizens, hear me out! This could happen to you!

(Eight bar guitar, banjo introduction)

Well, let me tell you of the story of a man named Charley
on a tragic and fateful day.
He put ten cents in his pocket, kissed his wife and family,
went to ride on the M.T.A.

Chorus:
Well, did he ever return? No, he never returned and
his fate is still unknown.
(What a pity! Poor ole Charlie. Shame and scandal.
He may ride forever. Just like Paul Revere.)
He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston.
He's the man who never returned.

Charlie handed in his dime at the Kendall Square Station
and he changed for Jamaica Plain.
When he got there the conductor told him, "One more nickel."
Charlie couldn't get off of that train.
(Chorus)
Now, all night long Charlie rides through the station,
crying, "What will become of me?!!
How can I afford to see my sister in Chelsea
or my cousin in Roxbury?"
(Chorus)
Charlie's wife goes down to the Sculley Square Station
every day at quarter past two,
And through the open window she hands Charlie a sandwich
as the train comes rumblin' through.
(Chorus)
Now, you citizens of Boston, don't you think it's a scandal
how the people have to pay and pay?
Fight the fare increase! Vote for George O'Brien!
Get poor Charlie off the M. T. A.
(Chorus)
He's the man who never returned.
He's the man who never returned.
Ain't you Charlie?


Know that song[?] you ask! You betchaboots - big fan of the Kingston Trio - they were "something else" in the 50s and early 60s. The music back then was called "Folk" and many of their songs remain "standards" to this day.

Glad you asked!

I'll be baaaaaaaaack - having some 'puter problems!!<frown>

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:40 PM
Back again, Gents!

Having a Dickens of a time with my CD-ROM drawer (tray) - it doesn't want to cooperate while failing to open when the button is pressed. Long story - tried virtually everything suggested by "experts," and now have resorted to some online help in a two-way conversation with a "tech." Takes time just to get one "up" on the line - then lots of trial and error, etc. Wunnerful way to spend a Saturday, eh[?]

Good so see ya, West Coast S Dave and it does appear that you have become a Saturday customer. So be it - the idea is to be dependable, as much as your private and work lives permit![swg]

Don't know how many of the pages you've been able to "process" since your last visit - but we are experiencing quite an increase in volume and quality but from a far lesser number of contributors than in past months. The problem with that is we now are heavily dependent on a few to keep things on an even keel. Whereas in the past, we had numbers to draw from so that if two or more guys were away for awhile, no sweat, others would pick up the slack. Don't have that luxury any more and we aren't getting new blood. Not a good sign for the future and health of this place.

Have a question for ya: When do you think we'll see some Pix from you showing us your S-scale/gauge "stuff"[?][?] Would be a "natural" for Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Okay - gotta run - the "tech" is back .....

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, February 11, 2006 2:36 PM
Tom...I'm considering some night classes so as to gain the know how for transfering my extensive 35mm collection to disc, dont have the proper equiptment or the major $$$ for a pro to do, best of all my employer covers educational expenses. As for my S projects, i'm considering some articles and photos, though many in my scale talk about this or that, very few do heavy steam bashing, content with improper models, I hope to change this just a bit and dispell some of the myths of S in the process..S is indeed a ongoing challenge, many a time when fustration sets in makes me miss HO thats the time to step back and take a breather to regroup.

I have material that would keep Sunday photo going for the next 20 years, just have to get off my duff and get high tech so as to share with you all!!!

I don't see "Our Place" ceasing to exist anytime soon, true, it hurts in the near term when one is absent for a extended period, but the core group, not the wannabe's and single posters will continue to provide support and direction. The question in my mind is "how dedicated would new members be?" Could we maintain continunity? My general observation and experience has borne this out, is that most have no interest in classic railroading, this seems to be commom among the 20-30 year old age groups. Not to slam all with these ages, but your life experiences, formative years and first exposure to railroading and how these initial experiences impacted you is what makes us affecinados of classic trains. Let's be honest, today's railroading is too mundane and corporate, We at "Our Place" recall with our postings and shared interest the way it was.

As always we will survive, Lunch for all on my expense account today, drinks after 1600 hrs.

Dave


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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, February 11, 2006 2:45 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Just dropped by from the office for lunch then have to go back.

KANSAS CITY
SOUTHERN Streamlined Observations
by AL

KCS received three streamlined Observations from Pullman Standard for their new diesel powered SOUTHERN BELLE trains that began service September 2, 1940 between Kansas City and New Orleans. Each of these three Observations 54 KANSAS CITY, 55 SHREVEPORT and 56 NEW ORLEANS featured two Parlor staterooms for daytime use a stand-up Lunch Counter Kitchen Pantry 24 seat Dining Room 9 seat Parlor and 8 seat Lounge Observation. The Parlor seating was sold between Kansas City and Shreveport the daytime portion of the trip. The Parlor seating was used as lounge seating on the overnight Shreveport - New Orleans leg of the trip. Initially when the trains were inaugurated in 1940 three sets of equipment were necessary to maintain daily service in each direction.
By 1948 track improvements and a faster schedule permitted two train sets to maintain daily service.
Two of the three prewar streamlined Observations were rebuilt for the postwar SOUTHERN BELLE and each received a new name. The 54 KANSAS CITY was renamed 54 GOOD CHEER and 55 the former SHREVEPORT became 55 HOSPITALITY. The interiors were rebuilt to 34 seat Tavern Lounge Bar 20 Seat Lounge Observations. The third prewar car 56 NEW ORLEANS retained its original interior and was assigned to a connecting rail service between Shreveport and Port Arthur.

2 PARLOR DAYROOMS STAND-UP LUNCH COUNTER KITCHEN PANTRY 24 SEAT DINING 9 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 8 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow - Tailed) Pullman Standard August 1940 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERN BELLES)

54 KANSAS CITY

55 SHREVEPORT

56 NEW ORLEANS

In August 1960 the KCS received four-used streamlined Budd built Observations from the NYC. The cars were delivered to the KCS with their original interiors intact; this consisted of 22 seat Tavern Lounge Bar 31 seat Lounge Observation. After painting the Budd stainless steel cars to match the other KCS cars they received the following numbers. The cars were then assigned to the SOUTHERN BELLE (2) and to unnamed 9-10 the secondary Kansas City - New Orleans trains.

44 originally NYC 48

45 originally NYC 49

46 originally NYC 50

47 originally NYC 51

All four cars interiors were remodeled between February 1964 and November 1965 with a 8 seat Lunch Counter and 32-seat Tavern lounge Observation. Each cars was renumbered as follows as it was remodeled.

KCS 43 ex KCS 44 originally NYC 48

KCS 42 ex KCS 45 originally NYC 49

KCS 40 ex KCS 46 originally NYC 50

KCS 41 ex KCS 47 originally NYC 51

In 1968 the KCS discontinued unnamed trains 9 -10 and the two observations assigned to those trains were held in reserve for the SOUTHERN BELLE. When the SOUTHERN BELLE itself was discontinued in 1970 the four cars were sold.

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:10 PM
G'day Gents!

I'm totally exasperated with these "techie" JOs (you figure it out!) and the web sites that make you wait 'n wait 'n wait - then guess what[?] Disconnect! Arggggggggggggggggh.[tdn] Efficiency, dependability and reliability has gone the way of sending jobs overseas![tdn][tdn]

Okay - regrouped and ready to make some acknowledgments![swg]

Dave Your optimism should be bottled and sold![tup] Unfortunately, it all isn't quite as simple as being optimistic. The numbers do not lie. We are in fact way down and when reliable guys drop out of sight - that takes it toll on MOI! Check the numbers of the Posts included in the SUMMARIES! That pace is rather exhausting and simply cannot be maintained. I see the day when my time will be drastically reduced.

We had some guys who really were "promising" but for the life of me just cannot understand where they disappeared to - and why. Speaking of jlampke John and jdonald Don - both really came across as mature adults with a good grip on what we do 'round here. They seemed to be enjoying it all - then, gonezo.

Don't want to turn this into a narrative of "Who was who, and where did they go[?]" But it seems to me that if we attracted guys in the past, why not now[?] I totally agree with your assessment regarding the age groups - and yes, there surely are exceptions - but by and large, who needs THAT crap![?]

Okay - here's a great case in point. Our friend Al fresh from a sick bed and office commitments stops by to drop a Post on us. He may not always be "on point," nor "aware" of the surroundings [swg] - but he takes the time to do it. That's precisely what it takes - is the willingness to "do it!"

Thanx for the round, Dave and more importantly, your continued support. We surely miss those PM sessions of days gone by. And - speaking of Pix - hurry up! I'm really, really running out of material and surely could use some help. Thanx to Rob 'n Doug we've had some wunnerful Pix on Sunday Photo Posting Days!, but we cannot let those guys shoulder the load indefinitely.

Also - I'm very appreciative of the efforts put forth by everyone who has sent me Email Pix - I'm simply in hopes that we can muster up some direct input from other guys.[swg]

Hey Al nice segway into the KCS ENCORE! Saturday Post of mine. Any chance of YOU providing some ENCORE material[?] This is surely the day for it. Glad to see ya and thanx for the round![tup]

Gotta get back to 'puter business - I think the answer is to take this thing and fling it as far as the wind and my force behind it can carry it. Order a new one and be done with the BS!<growl> This is a software issue - not at all the fault of the people who manufactured my laptop - and trying to get software "wonks" to respond is like trying to pull Hen's teeth!<grin>

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:24 PM
Good Afternoon once again Tom. Time for another CR and a round for the house.

KANSAS CITY
SOUTHERN Streamlined Sleeping Cars
by AL

The KCS owned a total of thirteen semi-streamlined or fully streamlined sleeping cars.
On September 2, 1940 the Kansas City Southern inaugurated the SOUTHERN BELLE between Kansas City and New Orleans by way of Shreveport. When inaugurated the new diesel powered trains required three sets of equipment to maintain daily service in both directions. A sample consist of the SOUTHERN BELLE follows as inaugurated.

21 EMC E3A 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

64 Baggage 30' Railway Post Office 9 Crew Dormitory Car

235 JOPLIN 74 Revenue Seat Divided Coach

237 ALEXANDRIA 74 Revenue Seat Divided Coach (New Orleans - Shreveport)

SILOAM SPRINGS
Semi-Streamlined Heavyweight 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (New Orleans - Shreveport)

KANSAS CITY 2-Day Room Stand Up Lunch Counter 24 seat Dining 17 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

The SOUTHERN BELL began service providing sleeping car service only between New Orleans and Shreveport as this was the overnight part of the run in both directions. The first two semi streamlined heavyweight 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom sleeping cars for the inaugural of the SOUTHERN BELLE were SILOAM SPRINGS rebuilt from 12-1 McBURNEY and SULPHUR SPRINGS rebuilt from 12-1 McLARTY. Both of these cars were rebuilt and semi-streamlined by Pullman Calumet in July 1940.
In February 1941 a third 12-1 was rebuilt and semi-streamlined by Pullman Calumet for SOUTHERN BELLE service emerging as a 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car. This car originally McALISTERVILLE was renamed BARKSDALE after rebuilding for KCS service. With the addition of BARKSDALE sleeping car service was extended to Kansas City from New Orleans.
In April 1941 two more semi-streamlined heavyweight sleeping cars arrived from rebuilding at Pullman Calumet to 10 Section 3 double Bedroom Sleeping cars with the names STATE CAPITAL and MENA. These were originally heavyweight 12-1 sleeping cars McELHERAN and McKULLO respectively. This gave the SOUTHERN BELLE one sleeping cars for Kansas City - New Orleans service daily in each direction with another added to both the northbound and southbound consist between Shreveport and New Orleans.
After the Second World War the KCS undertook a major rebuilding of their track, signals and physical plant. The result of this was that when new postwar SOUTHERN BELLES entered service in January 1949 only two sets of equipment were necessary to maintain daily service. The KCS purchased eight new lightweight streamlined 14 roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars from Pullman Standard that were delivered in May - June 1948. These cars were assigned two to each consist of the new SOUTHERN BELLES. One was a through Kansas City - New Orleans Sleeper the other was a Kansas City - Port Arthur, Texas Sleeping car that traveled between Kansas City and Shreveport in the SOUTHERN BELLE. Numbered KCS trains 101 and 102 carried the Port Arthur - Kansas City Sleeping cars on the six-hour trip between Port Arthur and Shreveport.
Another set of trains assigned a pair of the new 14-4 sleeping cars were 9-10 the nameless Kansas City - New Orleans counterpart to the SOUTHERN BELLE. Numbers 9-10 operated on the prewar schedule of the SOUTHERN BELLE and only carried Sleeping cars initially between New Orleans and Shreveport overnight. The two remaining sleeping cars were assigned to a joint MP-KCS operation between Texarkana and Hot Springs on the MP and Kansas City and Texarkana on KCS 9-10.
When KCS discontinued 101 and 102 between Port Arthur and Shreveport 9-10 received through sleeping cars between New Orleans and Kansas City. Two of these 14-4 sleeping cars went to Amtrak three others went to the Long Island and three went to the NdeM.

14 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard May - June 1948 Plan: 4153 Lot: 6795 (Built for and assigned to KCS services described above)

ARTHUR STILLWELL

COLONEL FORDYCE

HARVEY COUCH

JOB EDSON

LEONOR LOREE

STUART KNOTT

WILLIAM BUCHANAN

WILLIAM EDENBORN

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:48 PM
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #7

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (unknown origin – found at flea market; circa 1920’s) first Posted on page 134

HOTELS AND BOARDING HOUSES in the BLUE RIDGE MOUNTAINS
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .along the
Washington and Old Dominion Railway

Name ……….……………….. Terms and other information

Bluemont, Va. ……….…… Located on mountain overlooking the Loudoun Valley;
… J.M. Moreland .………… modern conveniences; excellent board. Rates on application.

… H. Rathbone Smith ……. Accommodations for several guests on large estate located
……………………………….. on mountain; meals at owner’s residence close to main
……………………………….. house; reasonable rates; references required.

… A. L. Longerbeam ……….. Best country board; terms moderate.

… Mrs. Millard Patterson …… Excellent board; chicken, milk, fresh eggs; home garden.
……………………………….. Terms $2.00 per day’ $10.00 and $12.00 per week.

… “The Heights” ……………. Modern conveniences; splendid home cooking.
… Mrs. T. P. Simpson ………. Terms moderate.
… Proprietress

… “The Loudoun” …………… Large lawn; tennis. Comfortable rooms, porches, etc.
… J. C. Beatty, Proprietor …… Terms: Single rooms, $15.00 per week; double rooms,
............................................. $12.00 per person per week.

Round Hill, Va.
… “Baldwin House” …………. Terms on application.

… F. P. Lowe ………………… Near town. Terms on application.

… E. L. Donohoe ……………. Terms on application.

… Fannie Wynkoop …………. Terms on application.

… Maud Wynkoop ………….. Terms on application.

… T. W. Best .……………….. Near town. Terms on application.

… Mollie Copeland .………… Terms on application.

… Edw. Finnell .…………….. Terms on application.

Purcellville, Va.
… “The Bell Inn ……………. Modern conveniences; plenty shade;
… Mrs. M. H. Beal …………. Lawn; garden vegetables. Terms $3.00
… Proprietress ...……………. per day; $30.00 per month.

… “The White Cottage” ……. Near town. Excellent table.
… Miss Rebecca Lloyd …….. Terms on application.
… Proprietress

… Mrs. E. Shoemaker ……… Near town. Large shady lawn; fresh
… R. F. D. No. 2 …………… vegetables. Terms on application.

… Mrs. Alice Corder ………. Near station. Modern conveniences.
.……………………………… Terms on application.

Hamilton, Va. ...………….. Large shady lawn; fresh vegetables;
… Mrs. J. W. Chamberlin ….. milk; cream; eggs. Modern conveniences;
. ……………………………… excellent table. Terms $10.00 to $12.00 per week.

Leesburg, Va. ..………….. Located in business section. A delightful place
… “Leesburg Inn” …………. Spend day and week-end vacations. Special Sunday
……………………………… chicken dinners.

… Mrs. Fulton …………….. Near town. Modern country home. Delightful meals;
.…………………………….. terms on application.

Electric Trains leave from Rossyln Terminal Station (Washington), located South End Key Bridge, on Frequent Schedules


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:14 PM
Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

Tom you sure brought back memories with the Kingston Trio. Remember seeing them in the early 1960's at Forbes Air Force Base in the NCO club. I was on TDY at nearby Olathe Naval Air Station and we received invitation to their NCO club for the event. Always liked the MTA but will never forget Tom Dooley.

For ENCORE SATURDAY am adding the KCS Coaches

KANSAS CITY
SOUTHERN Streamlined Coaches
By Al

The first streamlined lightweight coaches owned by the Kansas City Southern were four 76-revenue seat coaches built by Pullman Standard at their Worcester, Massachusetts plant and delivered in May 1937. These were so called American Flyer design type coaches and would be the only cars of this type operated by the Kansas City Southern. The cars were purchased for service in the heavyweight FLYING CROW between Kansas City and Port Arthur. Three of the cars were numbered and named with the fourth numbered only. The numbered only car was a spare for the other three that were assigned one per consist in the Kansas City – Port Arthur trains. The names for these coaches were selected for online communities.

76 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard (Worcester) May 1937 (Built for and assigned to Kansas City – Port Arthur FLYING CROW service)

230 HEAVENER

231 DE QUEEN

232 NOEL

233 (Unnamed)

Pullman Standard built and delivered five-streamlined 74-revenue seat Coaches in August 1940 for assignment to the new SOUTHERN BELLE between Kansas City and New Orleans. The undulating profile of the Kansas City Southern at this time still required three sets of equipment to maintain daily service. One each of the new numbered and named cars were assigned to the SOUTHERN BELLE trains between New Orleans and Kansas City. The two extra coaches were assigned to the Southern Belle both north and southbound overnight between New Orleans and Shreveport, Louisiana. The new SOUTHERN BELLE was inaugurated on September 2, 1940. Each of the initial consists featured a streamlined Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office 12 Crew Dormitory Car, one of the new 74 revenue seat streamlined coaches, a heavyweight streamlined 10 section 3 double bedroom Pullman (between New Orleans and Shreveport initially) and a streamlined Dining Parlor Lounge Observation. A third sleeping car was added in February 1941 and the sleeping cars then operated as through cars between Kansas City and New Orleans. Two additional sleeping cars were added in April 1941 for overnight service between New Orleans and Shreveport. The SOUTHERN BELLE was a four-car train between Shreveport and Kansas City and six-car train south of Shreveport.

74 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard August 1940 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERN BELLE)

234 PITTSBURG

235 TEXARKANA

237 ALEXANDRIA

238 BATON ROUGE

239 JOPLIN

Following WW II the Kansas City Southern embarked on a major rebuilding of their mainline eliminating much of the rolling profile with fills and cuts. They also eased many of the sharper curves along the line. This resulted in a speedup of both passenger and freight trains. The result of the increased speed meant that the SOUTHERN BELLE now only required two sets of equipment to maintain daily service. The postwar modernization of the SOUTHERN BELLE was accomplished with the purchase of eight 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars for service in the SOUTHERN BELLE and nameless 9-10 a postwar streamliner that used many of the cars from the prewar SOUTHERN BELLE. The SOUTHERN BELLE trains each carried a single through 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car between New Orleans and Kansas City and a second 14-4 was carried by each SOUTHERN BELLE between New Orleans and Shreveport. Unnamed 9-10 carried one through 14-4 between New Orleans and Kansas City. The remaining two 14-4 Sleeping cars operated in the FLYING CROW except at Christmas time when they were replaced by heavyweights and the streamlined 14-4 sleeping cars were assigned as extras to the SOUTHERN BELLE.
The 64 revenue seat divided coaches built by American Car & Foundry for the postwar SOUTHERN BELLE and delivered in November, 1948 were divided into a 24 seat Black section with a pair of restrooms and a 38 seat White section with a pair of restrooms. Both of these cars 239 KANSAS CITY and 240 TEXARKANA were double vestibule cars and operated as through cars between New Orleans and Kansas City. In addition four 60-revenue seat Coaches were delivered at the same time between November 1948 – January 1949. These were assigned to the SOUTHERN BELLE one per consist as through cars between Kansas City and New Orleans and a second operated overnight between Shreveport and New Orleans. These cars were 241 SHREVEPORT, 242 ALEXANDRIA, 243 BATON ROUGE, and 244 NEW ORLEANS. An order for six additional 60-revenue seat Coaches was received in June 1956 from American Car & Foundry with numbers only 245 – 250. These were assigned to the SOUTHERN BELLE, FLYING CROW and nameless 9-10.

62 REVENUE SEAT DIVIDED COACHES American Car & Foundry November 1948 – January 1949 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERN BELLE)

239 KANSAS CITY

240 TEXARKANA

60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES American Car & Foundry November 1948 – January 1949 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERN BELLE)

241 SHREVEPORT

242 ALEXANDRIA

243 BATON ROUGE

244 NEW ORLEANS

60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES American Car & Foundry June 1956 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERN BELLE, FLYING CROW, 9-10)

243 – 250

Beginning in November 1962 the KCS renumbered all active lightweight streamlined coaches operated by the railroad as they came due for major maintenance. All named coaches lost their names as they were renumbered as follows:

NOVEMBER 1962

251 originally 239 KANSAS CITY

253 originally 244 NEW ORLEANS

254 originally 243 BATON ROUGE

DECEMBER 1962

252 originally 241 SHREVEPORT

AUGUST 1963

257 originally 236 TEXARKANA

258 originally 238 PORT ARTHUR

SEPTEMBER 1963

255 originally 234 PITTSBURG

OCTOBER 1963

256 originally 235 JOPLIN

DECEMBER 1963

259 originally 237 BEAUMONT

JANUARY 1964

260 originally 242 ALEXANDRIA

JUNE 1964

261 originally 247

263 originally 248

OCTOBER 1964

262 originally 246

NOVEMBER 1964

264 originally 245

JUNE 1965

265 originally 250

266 originally 249

The final order of coaches delivered to the Kansas City Southern came from Pullman Standard in 1965. These were the last new coaches built for a class one railroad other than commuter cars before Amtrak assumed intercity operations of the nations passenger trains. The new Pullman Standard built cars delivered in June – July 1965 were 72 revenue seat cars and were assigned to service in 9-10 and the SOUTHERN BELLE.
The paint scheme of the passenger equipment of the Kansas City Southern was an overall dark green with a silver roof and yellow and red accent stripes at the bottom of the car sides. The lettering was yellow. In many color photos of these trains the green appears almost as if it’s black.

72 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Pullman Standard June-July 1965 (Built for and assigned to SOUTHERN BELLE and nameless 9-10)

270 – 279

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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:29 PM
Hello Tom and Gents at the Bar!

Been a rotten day where I am - wind, snow and getting colder. Spent quite a bit of time shoveling what I had previously shoveled! Getting far too old for this stuff - where are my son's when I need them[?] Oh yeah - doing the same things at their houses![swg] So, you want some snow, Tom[?] C'mon back to the Island!

Didn't know if I'd get a chance to log in today - power flucutations and the like have kept things rather uncertain. Anyway, haven't really spent too much time browsing, so I'm a bit behind the curve. Noticed that your "theme" for ENCORE! Saturday somehow got twisted into the Kansas City Southern!!! Never a dull moment at the "hit 'n miss bar 'n grill" is what I say!

Ok, barkeep - here's a twenty for the guys to spend as thye wish on the delights behind the bar! Let's crack a few of those bottles back there and put out the ice where we can dig in! [swg][tup][yeah] Man, I could use a stiff "belt" of whatever will warm my innerds.

My contribution for the day is rather "new" - but then again, so am I to this thread:

An ENCORE! from 16 Jan 2006, page 221:

QUOTE: Caveat: These ramblings are not necessarily in order of events, but rather a free-flow of my thoughts and notes at the time of preparation. Therefore, it will not be uncommon for the reader to experience a back and forth reference to time and places as I proceed through this effort.

The Staten Island Rapid Transit (S.I.R.T.) – Part One:

At the beginning of the 20th Century, all the Boroughs of New York City had elevated and subway service with the exception of the Borough of Richmond (Staten Island). Over 100 years back, the Staten Island Rapid Transit operated a surface rail system with small steam engines and passenger cars taking people from one end of the island to the other (about 15 miles from St. George to Tottenville, the southernmost point in New York State). There were also branches emanating from St. George along the northern shore of the island and a parallel line to a popular summer spot, South Beach. The S.I.R.T. joined in partnership with the B&O, the nation’s oldest railroad, which also provided a valuable freight link across the island to New Jersey.

With the introduction of trolleys to the island in 1895, the S.I.R.T. suffered a loss in ridership, throwing it into bankruptcy. When purchased by the B&O, ferry service to Manhattan was also included. A legacy somewhat lost in the history of the rather famous “Staten Island Ferry.”

There were several well laid plans to link the island with the Borough of Brooklyn by tunnel. In 1925, the idea was to bring the BRT subway to Staten Island by way of a tunnel under The Narrows. Politics got in the way, funding arguments ensued, and the idea eventually faded into the file cabinet drawers of history.

Time and smart management practices, along with a population “spurt” helped the S.I.R.T. through some rough years and it remained a viable mass transit like long after trolleys disappeared from the streets of Staten Island. However, a fine bus system, replaced the trolleys and eventually helped lead to the demise of two of the three branches. Today, the link between St. George and Tottenville still exists.

The ending of passenger service on two of the three branches was primarily due to the actions of the New York City Board of Transportation. This body controlled all of the transit in the City with the exception of the S.I.R.T. and a few other surface lines. With the introduction of 12-cent fares, generous transfers and combination travel between bus and subway, the S.I.R.T. simply couldn’t compete. In 1953, the north shore and South Beach lines were discontinued.


Sorry if I have failed to acknowledge anyone, I'll try to make it up next time!

Set 'em up again, Tom and I'll take one of those sirloins if you please - made it medium rare and thick! A nice frosty mug of Piels should do it. Thanx![tup]

Okay boys - I'll stick around for a bit, until the wife calls and says, "Are you finished with that THING yet[?]"[swg]


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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:58 PM
Evenin' Gents!

I see Lars over there chompin' on a good looking steak![swg] Al has been in again (and again!) with more on the KCS

Lars Take it EASY with the shoveling, man! Hope to see ya tomorrow, but if not, we'll know why! "Oh my aching back!" [swg]<grin> And by the by, I'd love to be in that snow with ya, Mate!

I'm a bit "talked out" this day, but just want one and all who Posted today to know that I appreciate your efforts![tup][tup][tup]

Leon the Night Man has the bar! Boris Ring the bell - drinks all aro0und on the Proprietor!

See ya at Sunday Photo Posting Day - AND - the 10th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place!!

Nite![zzz]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:08 AM
Good morning Tom and folks, and happy 10th anniversary! WOW!

My theme today is train wrecks and disasters .... just 'cuz. Here they are!

The following pictures were scanned from the book Train Wrecks by Robert C. Reed.

This is the first photograph ever taken of a railroad wreck. Mr. L. Wright of Pawtucket, R.I. snapped it within minutes of the accident which occurred in 1853. Fourteen passengers were killed in this head-on collision


The Chatsworth, Ill. Wreck of Aug. 10,1877 illustrates the many horrors of rail travel during the last half of the nineteenth century. Eighty-two passengers on a gala Toledo & Peoria excursion train were killed when a small fire-weakened bridge over a culvert collapsed under the weight of the engine. Nine wooden coaches were crushed into a horrible mass.


The New York Central’s Lake Shore LTD, sped around a curve at Little Falls, N.Y., jumped the track, and plowed into a rock wall. Thirty persons were killed in this crash on April 19, 1940.


Rounding a curve too fast in the Chicago Yards, this Pennsylvania locomotive and tender jumped the tracks on Sept. 16, 1941. Notice how the trucks of the tender remained on the track.



A dispatcher’s error caused this disastrous head-on wreck on the Maine Central at Veazie, Me., in 1895. Three engines and two baggage cars were demolished.


Staged wrecks drew thousands of spectators at fairs, and expositions around the turn of the century. The crowds were thrilled by the sight as two iron monsters charged toward each other destined for disaster. (collection of the Library of Congress)


[:I] One year, a particularly harried husband decided to buy his mother-in-law a cemetery plot as a Christmas gift. The next year, he didn't buy her a gift. When she asked him why, he replied, "Well, you still haven't used the gift I bought you last year!" [:I]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:14 AM
More pix from Train Wrecks by Robert C. Reed

This New Haven locomotive lies helpless in the tidal swamp near Kingston, R.I., after colliding with the wreck of a freight train whose boiler had exploded just minutes before. Since the crew of the freight were all killed in the explosion, no one could go ahead to flag the Cape Codder. The accident happened on June 26, 1926.


The derailment and collision of the Penn Flyer at Fort Wayne, Ind., on Aug 13, 1911. Just after the Pennsylvania Penn Flyer derailed, another freight came along and plowed into the wreckage. Four were killed and fifty-seven injured in the collision.


In a blinding snowstorm near Coburg, Ind. In 1886 these double-heading B&O engines smacked into the rear of another train. The men at the rear of the tender are carrying a fireman who was killed.


Severe telescoping was typical in rear-end collisions. This one happened February 27, 1917, at Mt. Union Pa., when a stalled Pennsylvania passenger train was struck from the rear by a fast freight. Twenty people were killed by the telescoping of the all steel sleeping car Bellwood.


One of the most disastrous telescope accidents of all was the one at Mud Run, Pa., Oct. 10, 1888. Sixty-four people on an excursion of the Total Abstinence Union were killed in the gruesome telescope of these rickety Lehigh Valley Railroad carriages. The train stopped briefly at Mud Run when it was rammed from behind by a speeding express.


When the bottom fell out of this old truss bridge near Calvary, KY., the engine, tender, and two cars of the Louisville & Nashville fell like flat stones into a dry creek bed. A lone coach teetered precariously atop a stone abutment.


[:I] A lawyer runs a stop sign and gets pulled over by a Sheriff's Deputy. He thinks that he is smarter than the Deputy because he is sure that he has a better education. He decides to prove this to himself and have some fun at the deputy's expense.
Deputy says, "License and registration, please."
Lawyer says, "What for?"
Deputy says, "You didn't come to a complete stop at the stop sign .."
Lawyer says, "I slowed down, and no one was coming."
Deputy says, "You still didn't come to a complete stop. License and registration, please."
Lawyer says, "What's the difference?"
Deputy says, "The difference is, you have to come to a complete stop, that's the law. License and registration, please!"
Lawyer says, "If you can show me the legal difference between slow down and stop, I'll give you my license and registration and you give me the ticket, if not you let me go and no ticket."
Deputy says, "Exit your vehicle, sir."
At this point, the deputy takes out his nightstick and starts beating the ever-loving crap out of the lawyer and says, "Do you want me to stop or just slow down?" [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:57 AM


We open at 6 AM on Monday (all time zones!). (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

The bar is CLOSED on SUNDAY, however it is Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Today is the 10th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place! Thanx to all, past & present, who made it possible![tup][tup][tup]


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Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Santa Fe arrives Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Wednesday Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 07:01:11 (243) Saturday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 07:40:10 (243) Inclusive Post,etc.

(3) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 08:23:28 (243) Inclusive Post, etc.

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 08:48:30 (243) ENCORE! Saturday – Fallen Flag, KCS

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 10:59:21 (243) Acknowledgments & Commentary

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 11:49:34 (243) ENCORE! Saturday – My trip to Lillooet

(7) pwolfe Pete Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 12:20:06 (243) Inclusive Post, etc.

(8) West Coast S Dave Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 12:42:16 (243) Saturday visit!

(9) pwolfe Pete Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 13:05:21 (244) etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 13:29:07 (244) reply to pwolfe – Kingston Trio

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 13:40:14 (244) reply to West Coast S

(12) West Coast S Dave Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 14:36:46 (244) Saturday vist!

(13) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 14:45:49 (244) KCS streamlined obs cars

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 15:10:30 (244) Acknowledgments, etc.

(15) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 16:24:20 (244) KCS streamlined sleepers

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 19:48:34 (244) ENCORE! Saturday – Hotels along the W&OD

(17) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 20:14:37 (244) Inclusive Post & KCS coaches

(18) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 20:29:17 (244) Well done Post!

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Feb 2006, 20:58:59 (244) Acknowledgments, etc.



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 12th thru 18th: Bound for Glory (1976) starring: David Carradine, Ronny Cox & Melinda Dillon – and – Emperor of the North Pole (1973) starring: Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine & Keith Carradine.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:45 AM


The 10th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place [yeah][wow]

CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL WHO HAVE MADE IT POSSIBLE TO SURVIVE ON THE FORUMS WITH ONLY A RELATIVE HANDFUL OF CONTRIBUTORS!


Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

NOW PLAYING at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!

Bound for Glory (1976)

A biography of one of America’s greatest folk singers, Woody Guthrie (David Carradine). In the dust bowl days of the 1930s, he left his Texas home to seek work. While doing so, he witnessed the strength and suffering of the working class of America.

Emperor of the North (Pole) (1973)

Portrayed by Ernest Borgnine, “Shack” is a despised sadistical railroad conductor with a vengeance directed at “hobos” riding his trains. Then comes along “A” Number One, played by Lee Marvin, who accepts the challenge of becoming the first to survive a journey on “Shack’s” infamous train.


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Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:06 AM
Good Morning Tom I realize that Our Place is closed on Sunday Just wanted to say how much I for one appreciate the efforts of everyone who has made it possible to enter our tenth month.
Looking forward to Sunday Photo posting day.
Getting ready for Santa Fe Tuesday.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:45 AM
More pix from Train Wrecks by Robert C. Reed

A chaotic scene of wheels, rails, and parts strewn on top of the locomotive after a spring washout. A shoofly has been built around the wreckage so that traffic could be maintained.


A broken side rod swiped clean the engineer’s side of the cab on this Delaware & Hudson engine. This ever present danger to the engineer explains the eventual outlawing of “Mother Hubbard” locomotives.


No exit. A brick wall did not stop this runaway. She burst through her roundhouse berth in Hartford, Conn. On July 8, 1905, narrowly missing a plunge into the river.


A serious pile-up happened on the PRR at New Portage Jct., Pa., in 1916, killing seven employees. The brakes on a freight failed on a down mountain grade. The runaway collided with four engines at the foot of the mountain. ICC investigators blamed the engineer for allowing air brake pressure to become too low.


A large crowd gathered to look at the fractured remains of the Washington, D.C. runaway of 1887, with the Capitol dome in the background.


The all-time sensational runaway wreck was the Washington, D.C. terminal disaster of 1953. Loaded with inauguration-bound passengers, the Pennsy’s crack Federal Express sped out of control headed straight for a dead end at the Capitol’s classical marble station. The express smashed through the station and into the main concourse where the floor collapsed under the weight. Luckily no one was killed.


[:I] On Friendship between women:
A woman didn't come home one night. The next day she told her husband that she had slept over at a friend's house. The man called his wife's 10 best friends. None of them knew about it.

On Friendship between men:
A man didn't come home one night. The next day he told his wife that he had slept over at a friend's house. The woman called her husband's 10 best friends. Eight of them confirmed that yes, he had slept over and two claimed that he was still there. [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:01 AM


The 10th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place [yeah][wow]

CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL WHO HAVE MADE IT POSSIBLE TO SURVIVE ON THE FORUMS WITH ONLY A RELATIVE HANDFUL OF CONTRIBUTORS!

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Some recent pix from Pete while over in Merry Olde! – Part I of II – I suspect Pete will provide some descriptions either today or tomorrow.

(1) (york13)


(2) (york14)


(3) (york16)


(4) (york17)


Thanx Sir Pete![tup] … More to follow a bit later on.


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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:36 AM
Wow! Nice pix Pete! Thanks for posting them Tom! This will be my final pix submission for the day. I wrote a little blurb at the end about the author. This book is described as "A pictoral history of Accidents on the Main Line", but is filled with useful text as well. Hope you enjoyed these few pictures well enough to want to add this book to your collection!

More pix from Train Wrecks by Robert C. Reed

A direct hit, broadside. This mangled schoolbus stalled on the B&O tracks near Rockville, Md. In 1959. Fortunately the bus was empty, and the driver was able to jump out just before the Metropolitan crashed into it at 70 MPH.


A rare boiler failure (explosion of the front course) is shown in this view of an old Baldwin eight wheeler on the Houston & Texas Central Railroad.


Although the boiler and cab were blasted clean away in this explosion, this “Katy” mogul remained on the rails. In fact, she rolled on for fifty-five feet beyond the point of the explosion. The scene is Cumby, Texas, 1921.


The entrails of a Santa Fe locomotive lie bent and gnarled after a violent disembowelment near Standish, Mo. In the winter of 1921.


A crown sheet failure plopped this St. Louis Southwestern’s boiler neatly beside the engine at Paragould, Ark. In 1945.


In a rocky cut near Lehigh, Pa., a double-headed Lackawanna passenger train blew up on a steep grade in late July 1930. The twisted fire box and boiler of the 1172 were thrown fifty yards ahead.


Looking like frozen spaghetti strands, these superheater tubes lie exposed after Southern Pacific No. 4402 burst near Richvale, Calif. On Christmas Day, 1931.


About the author: “Bob” Reed was born in Toledo but grew up in Lima, Ohio, home of the Lima Locomotive Works where he acquired a deep interest in things pertaining to railroading. He got his B.A. degree at Miami University and his M.A. at Bowling Green University and has worked as a reporter, writer and teacher. For the past four years he has been on the staff of the English Department at St. Stephens School, Alexandria, Virginia. He resides in Capitol Hill Restoration are of Washington, D.C. His proximity to the Library of Congress has given him ample opportunity to collect the pictures and do the research necessary to prepare this book. He enjoys spending weekends at his Piece-d-Terre in the country near Middleburg, Virginia, which he deserts once in a while to travel to Europe.

[:I] An older gentleman had an appointment to see the urologist who shared an office with several other doctors. The waiting room was filled with patients. As he approached the receptionist desk he noticed that the receptionist was a large unfriendly woman who looked like a Sumo wrestler.
He gave her his name. In a very loud voice, the receptionist said, "YES, I HAVE YOUR NAME HERE; YOU WANT TO SEE THE DOCTOR ABOUT IMPOTENCE, RIGHT?"
All the patients in the waiting room snapped their heads around to look at the very embarrassed man. He recovered quickly, and in an equally loud voice replied, "NO, I'VE COME TO ENQUIRE ABOUT A SEX CHANGE OPERATION, BUT I DON'T WANT THE SAME DOCTOR THAT DID YOURS." [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:40 AM


The 10th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place [yeah][wow]

CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL WHO HAVE MADE IT POSSIBLE TO SURVIVE ON THE FORUMS WITH ONLY A RELATIVE HANDFUL OF CONTRIBUTORS!


Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Here’s an installment from Theodorebear Ted featuring his efforts in building a G gauge outdoor layout: (we’ll have to await descriptions from Ted)

(1) A work in progress!


(2) A work in progress!


(3) A work in progress!


(4) A work in progress!



Thanx, Sir Ted! Next week, a return to Ted’s HO layout.[tup][tup]


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Posted by Trainnut484 on Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:01 AM
Good morning Tom and all congregational members. I know we’re closed today, so I’ll slip these pics for Sunday Photo Posting Day quietly through the mail slot.

All of these were taken at the Museum of Transportation in St. Louis, MO. I’ll post the diesels pics first, then the steam pics will be later.

Photo descriptions are from the museum unless noted otherwise.

Click to enlarge.

Rock Island’s Aerotrain- Two GM Aerotrain prototypes (called LWT-12 for Light Weight 1,200HP) were built around 1955, with one going to the Pennsylvania RR and the other to NYC (www.discoverlivesteam.com). The Aerotrains rode poorly at high speeds and had high noise levels. They were also prone to mechanical problems. After a year of service, Pennsy and NYC sent theirs back to GM, and both were eventually sold to the RI, and used in Chicago Commuter service until 1965. This Aerotrain was donated to the museum by the RI in 1966.


CB&Q “Silver Charger” #9908- This was the last of the early Zephyr trains in which the car body housed the engine and doubled as a mail/baggage car. The train originally powered the General Pershing Zephyr from ST. Louis to Kansas City and was the last shovel nose in service. Built in 1939, it is 80’ long and weighs 202,000 pounds, and was donated to the museum by the CB&Q in 1966.


CB&Q E8 #9939A


MARC #66 E unit ex-BN


EMD demonstrator FT #103 “The Diesel that did it” built 1939- donated by the Southern Ry in 1961, and was declared a “National Engineering Landmark” June 1982.


Illinois Terminal Railbus “The Dinky” bt. 1939- Built by the White Motor Company as a school bus, it was modified by the Illinois Terminal railroad for rail service between Grafton and Alton, Illinois. It was donated to the museum by the IT railroad in 1953.


EL SD45 #3607.


UP Centennial 6944- Currently undergoing cosmetic restoration. It was one of UP’s biggest diesels.


UP rotary snowplow #900081- It was designed and built in 1966 at the UP Omaha shops. This rotary snowplow is the heaviest ever built weighing 367,400lbs and is 52’2” long and 17’ high. Three or four locomotives, which were controlled from the non-propelled plow, pushed it at four to six mph. The snowplow is powered by an EMD 16 cylinder 3,000hp turbocharged diesel engine that drives an electric generator, which provides power to turn the 12’ rotary blades at up to 150rpm. A steam generator provided heat to the cab and can thaw out the blades if they became frozen. The rotary snowplow was last used in Green River, WY in the mid 1980’s, and it was donated to the museum in 1994 by the UP.


If caught by surprise, one would have to change their shorts after seeing this in full spin moving towards him/her. Note the numbers on the blades.


Side view. Note the snow discharge chute on top in front of windshield.


Another side shot with a gauge to determine depth of snow.


A view rarely seen. The rear of the snowplow. Note the fan above the door.


That’s it for the diesel part. Steam is coming later this afternoon

Enjoy

Russell
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:57 AM
Hello again Tom and all. Here’s the second part of my St. Louis transportation museum pics, which are steam.

Please forgive me for not mentioning the specifics on these. I’m restricted on time today (Wife honey-do list).

Since I ended the diesels pix with UP, I’ll start here with UP steam.

UP BigBoy #4006.


View of #4006’s cab.


Rare view of inside of the firebox. Some people don’t have respect [:(!] for this magnificent machine (Coke bottle in firebox [tdn][tdn][tdn]).


A site that no Fireman wanted to see, an empty tender. Note the feeder screw at bottom.


Santa Fe 2-10-4 #5011. Visitors to this cab can ring the bell.


Frisco #1522. This was the saddest site to see [V] sitting cold on display like just another museum piece as I have pix of this steamer in excursion service. Brought to the museum in 2003, and already there’s rust on the pilot wheels. Rumor has it that the 1522 is in the process of being sold, which details about that are unkown.


C&O #2727


Nickel Plate 4-6-4 #170


NYC 4-8-2 #2933


Steam era pix…

Reefer cars


Milk car


SSW wedge snowplow #95589. Looks like this snowplow was made from the tender of a steam engine, but don’t know for sure.


That’s it for today. ENJOY.

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:06 PM


The 10th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place [yeah][wow]

CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL WHO HAVE MADE IT POSSIBLE TO SURVIVE ON THE FORUMS WITH ONLY A RELATIVE HANDFUL OF CONTRIBUTORS!


Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Here are some Pix from our friend Nick who once again has come through to entertain us all on this fine day!

(1) Model trains


(2) Model trains


(3) Real trains, Brit style!


(4) Real trains, Brit style!


(5) Real trains, Brit style!


Thanx, ,Sir Nick! We look forward to the descriptions . . . . [tup][tup][tup]


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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:19 PM
I will just slip this note through the slot for future perusal. Many thanks to Tom for posting my humble efforts on this Sunday Photo Posting Day and the auspicious occasion of the ten month observance of "Our" Place.[tup] There may be slightly less volume of "steady" posts but the superb quaity has not diminished one Iota through the months. Nick, Pete, Doug, Russell and , of course, Tom have done it again. Sunday is fast becoming a highlite day of the week. Many thanks for making Sunday browsing a unique and enjoyable experience.

As you know, I've been "tied up" with endless community work. I hope to see some relief efforts from other volunteers in the next couple of months. Until then, it is "catch as catch can" for me.[V] Still, I wanted to take this brief opportunity to send best regards to all who keep this Thread "leading the pack."[tup][tup][tup] As far as the four "G" gauge pics, they are pretty self evident. Since those shopts, I've added a 21 ft. passing siding. I hope to send some pics of the Doodlebug (At&SF) and box cars at first opportunity. For now, may I bid all of you a happy ten month "pat-on-the-back." Tom, here's a Jackson for Monday's A.M. "Rounders." Happy rails to all.
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:15 PM


The 10th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place [yeah][wow]

CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL WHO HAVE MADE IT POSSIBLE TO SURVIVE ON THE FORUMS WITH ONLY A RELATIVE HANDFUL OF CONTRIBUTORS!


Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

More recent pix from Pete while over in Merry Olde! – Part II of II – suspect Pete will provide some descriptions either today or tomorrow.

(5) (york18)


(6) (york 19)


(7) (york20)


(8) (york21)


Thanx again Sir Pete! That wraps up the Pix from your trip home.[tup][tup][tup]


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Posted by LoveDomes on Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:21 PM
Good Afternoon Tom

Yes, it’s me in snowbound Staten Island, NYC – howling, blowing, drifting, cold and winter wonderland Island that it is today![swg] Spent most of the day snow blowing, but it was a colossal waste of energy, both mine and the fuel. Winds just kept putting it back and then some! Got at least 2 feet, impossible to get the car out – but that’s ok – who needs it on a day like this??

My wife has declared that I am NOT to venture outdoors until this ends – so, I fired up the ‘puter and here I am![swg] Sorry to say that the inane nonsense postings really tick me off – you know – the polls and the crap questions from guys who must have nothing better to do in their lives than to come up with the nonsense being put out. Why is it on Classic Trains is my question?? Looks like we have some guys who think they should be responding to it all – which means they are ENABLING these jerks. Ok, ok – [soapbox] and [#offtopic] I know.[tdn]

Good job on the part of all who have provided pix on this Photo Sunday! – should add a smile to the barkeep’s mug, eh[?][swg] Always wondered what that museum out your way had to offer and thanks to Trainut484 Russell we all know. Great shots, better than their web site! A three-[tup] salute to you![tup][tup][tup]

Those jokes are great, barndad Doug – even on a day like this there’s room for a smile or two![tup][tup] Pix are well done also …. Train wrecks however aren’t things to smile about. Many, many great photo’s and narratives. Fine effort deserves a three-[tup] salute![tup][tup][tup]

Thanks to Pete – Nick & Ted for their shots as well. I know this takes lots of your time and efforts, Tom but we appreciate it! A three-[tup] salute to you![tup][tup][tup]

Finally, on this 10th Month Anniversary Day let me slide this $50 thru the slot – use it during the week for rounds as you see fit!! Congrats to all who helped Tom keep this joint rockin’ on!![yeah]


So, I found some pix that should remind you, Tom of your S-gauge layout, check ‘em out:[tup]


Missouri Pacific Magazine 1952



Misouri Pacific (MP) #890 as #590 (1964) (from: www.trainweb.com)



Illinois Central #2200, former MP #890 (from: www.trainweb.com)



Missouri Pacific #891 – The Colorado Eagle (from: www.trainweb.com)



Illinois Central #2201, former MP #891 (from: www.trainweb.com)



Missouri Pacific #893 – The Eagle (from: www.trainweb.com)



Illinois Central #2210, former MP #894 repeat 894 (from: www.trainweb.com)



Until the next time!

Lars
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Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:01 PM
Good Aftrenoon Everyone. I Know the bar is closed on Sunday but could not resist those MP dome pictures by Lars.

Also Lars I just went out to lunch with the better half I wore Shorts and a Tee Shirt temp 71.

Hey everyone great photos posted today.

Missouri
Pacific Streamlined Dome Cars
(MP)
By AL

In May-June 1948 the Missouri Pacific received three stainless steel dome coaches from Budd. These three cars were delivered painted in full MP colors and were lettered for the roads COLORADO EAGLE. The COLORADO EAGLE entered service June 21, 1942 between St. Louis and Denver by way of the MP to Pueblo and the D&RGW between Pueblo and Denver. The sleeping cars were from Pullman Standard and the other five cars in the eight car trains were Budd built.
It was originally intended to have a St. Louis – Denver connection with the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR. This was the reason for the MP ordering the odd number of Planetarium-Dome cars for the COLORADO EAGLE train sets when two would have been sufficient. The three Planetarium –domes 890-892 delivered to the MP were identical to the Vista-Dome coaches built for the VISTA-DOME CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR except for the fact they were painted. These domes featured 46-leg-rest seats on the main level and 24-seats in the dome.
One Planetarium-Dome was assigned to each COLORADO EAGLE train set with the third initially held as a spare but later being assigned to one of the COLORADO EAGLE train sets. Later one of the Budd built MP domes was assigned to one of the MISSOURI RIVER EAGLES. The other MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE operated with a Pullman Standard built Planetarium dome after 1953 or 1954. All three of the Budd built Planetarium Domes were renumbered in the MP-T&P general renumbering that took place between February and June 1963. At that time they were renumbered from 890-892 to 590-592.
All three of the Budd built Planetarium-Domes were sold to the Illinois Central in June 1967 and were renumbered 2200-2201 for their new owner. See Illinois Central Chapter for further details of these cars.
In June-July 1952 Pullman Standard delivered 5- Planetarium Dome coaches for TEXAS EAGLE service. Three of the new Planetarium-Domes were owned by the MP 893-895, one was owned by MP subsidiary International Great Northern (IGN) 896 and the fifth was owned by Texas & Pacific numbered 200. These cars seated 42 on the main level with 17-seat lounge area beneath the dome and 24-seats in the dome.
The MP cars were painted in the blue and cream scheme with yellow separation stripes in the center of the letter board above the windows were the words THE EAGLE.
The MP assigned one Pullman Standard Planetarium Dome to each WEST TEXAS EAGLE operating between St. Louis and Fort Worth only. Another pair was assigned to the SOUTH TEXAS EAGLES one per train set. They operated between St. Louis and San Antonio. The extra car was assigned to the MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE, so one of those trains operated with a Budd dome the other operated with a Pullman Standard dome.
In the 1963 renumbering the five Pullman Standard domes were renumbered from MP 893-895 IGN 896 and T&P 200 to MP 593-596 and T&P 597.
In later years the cars are known to have operated in the T&P LOUISIANA EAGLE for a brief period and in June 1967 three of the Pullman Standard built domes 594,596, and 597 were sold to the Illinois Central becoming their 2210-2212 respectively. The 593 was part of the Illinois Central deal as a parts source for the other cars purchased. See Illinois Central chapter for further details.
The 595 the last remaining Planetarium Dome operating on the MP was retired in June 1967 when the others were sold to the IC. The car remained at the MP Sedalia Missouri shops until scrapped by the UP in 1985. It was rolled onto its side in 1970 outside the Sedalia scrap line where it remained until finally cut up by the UP.

TTFN AL
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:23 PM
Hello again Tom and all. Just slidding this through the slot.

Congrats to those of us who helped this establishment make it to 10 months.

Doug, Tom, Ted, Nick, Lars, and Pete, nice work on the pixs. I do have to say those wrecks, Doug, are a somber reminder of the dangers of railroading. It's always sad when railroaders are killed while doing their jobs. Ted, your loopback on your G scale railroad looks like it's taking shape. It's always good to hear from you. Pete, those musem pix from England are great. I bet one could spend endless hours in that museum. Nick, did you weather those model boxcars? Nice job on them. Your real guage pix are fine too. One of those steamers looks like it was the inspiration for Thomas the Tank engine. Lars, fine dome pixs, and thanks to Alfor the 411 on the MP domes.

Take care for now,

Russell
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:31 PM


The 10th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place [yeah][wow]

CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL WHO HAVE MADE IT POSSIBLE TO SURVIVE ON THE FORUMS WITH ONLY A RELATIVE HANDFUL OF CONTRIBUTORS!


Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Check these beauties out from Great Britain!

(1) BR Class 375 Electrostar (from: public domain)


(2) BR Class 390 Virgin Valiant (from: public domain)


(3) BR Class 170 First ScotRail (from: public domain)


(4) BR Class 489 Gatwick Express (from: public domain)



If you are browsing, how about letting the guys know that you’ve enjoyed their efforts!

That's it for me . . . it's been quite a Sunday Photo Posting Day! and a huge THANX goes to all who participated![tup][tup][tup] See y'all in the 'morrow![tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo

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