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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 10:00 PM
Evenin' Gents ....

Just a word for Al - Thanx!

These are for you (and CM3)

B&A 20th Century Ltd (1933) (fair use)


B&A pre-20th Century Ltd, prior to 1920 (Wikipedia Commons)


Nite![zzz]

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 5:23 AM


WEDNESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM. (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Wednesday is here as is mid-week! Start the day with a freshly brewed cuppa Joe, some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, and if you’re really hungry, try our <traditional> and <light> breakfast selections from the menu board![tup]


Daily Wisdom

I really didn’t say everything I said.
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear may be found at:

#1: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=233&TOPIC_ID=35270
#2: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=234&TOPIC_ID=35270
#3: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=237&TOPIC_ID=35270
#4: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=240&TOPIC_ID=35270

New Haven arrives tomorrow!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today: Pike Perspective’s Day!
Thursday: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 04:59:40 (240) Cabs – Part III, etc.

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 05:23:58 (240) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 05:29:31 (240) RRs from Yesteryear #4 – NYC

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 07:11:17 (240) NYC info, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 07:58:26 (240) ENCORE! Theme for the Day – NYC

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 10:28:59 (240) Pix – Kirkwood Station

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 12:03:33 (240) ENCORE! Theme for the Day – NYC

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 14:30:16 (240) ENCORE! Theme for the Day – NYC]

(9) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 14:52:17 (240) 20th Century Ltd Drumheads

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 15:05:58 (240) ENCORE! Theme for the Day – NYC]

(11) pwolfe Pete Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 17:49:16 (240) Inclusive Post, etc.

(12) passengerfan Al Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 18:08:44 (240) NYC Theme – 20th Century Ltd


(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 18:30:26 (240) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 18:36:42 (240) ENCORE! Theme for the Day – NYC

(15) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 07 Feb 2006, 19:03:55 (240) Name Trains of the NYC

(16) passengerfan Al Posted:07 Feb 2006, 20:07:04 (240) B&A 20th Century Ltd

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted:07 Feb 2006, 22:00:58 (240) Pix of B&A 20th Century Ltd



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
Double Features beginning Monday, January 30th!

. . . Sunday, February 5th thru 11th: The Titfield Thunderbolt (British 1953) starring: Stanley Holloway, Naunton Wayne, John Gregson & Sidney James – and – Breakheart Pass (1975) starring Charles Bronson, Ben Johnson & Richard Crenna.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 6:44 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #57

SP
NOON DAYLIGHT
(March 30, 1940)
470 miles

On March 30, 1940 the Southern Pacific Railroad inaugurated a second DAYLIGHT between Los Angeles and San Francisco daily using the same coastline route. The fourteen car DAYLIGHT train sets that had recently entered service on January 5, 1940 became the new MORNING DAYLIGHTS on March 30, 1940. The equipment for the new fourteen car NOON DAYLIGHT train sets was basically the 1937 train sets with several new cars added. Coach capacity of the NOON DAYLIGHT was 444 passengers and MORNING DAY-LIGHT Coach capacity was 364 passengers. Parlor Car seating for the NOON DAYLIGHT train sets was for 57 passengers and the MORNING DAYLIGHTS Parlor car seating was for 54 passengers. About the only thing missing from the NOON DAYLIGHT train sets was a triple unit articulated Coffee Shop-Kitchen- Dining Room combination. The NOON DAYLIGHTS popularity would equal the MORNING DAYLIGHTS, as this was the era before the airlines became popular between Los Angeles and San Francisco. The NOON DAYLIGHT would be discontinued for the duration of WW II by government edict.

Consist One

4426 Streamlined GS-3 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3300 Baggage News Stand 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2402 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2403 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

2404 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2405 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

2406 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2407 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

10400 56-Seat Coffee Shop Car

10200 40-Seat Dining Car

2454 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2453 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

10312 68 Seat Tavern Lounge Car

3000 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2950 23Revenue Seat Parlor 19-Seat Lounge Observation

Consist Two

4427 Streamlined GS-3 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3301 Baggage News Stand 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2408 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2409 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

2410 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2411 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

2412 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2413 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

10401 56-Seat Coffee Shop Car

10201 40-Seat Dining Car

2456 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2455 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

10313 68-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

3001 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2951 23-Revenue Seat Parlor 19-Seat Lounge Observation

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 7:41 AM
Mornin' Al

Tweeeeeeeeeeeeeet! Tweeeeeeeeeeet! Rules violation! Rules violation! Rule #6: failure to acknowledge the Posts before Posting! Drinks on passengerfan Al!

Didn't catch the B&A Pix[?] Just for you and CM3 .... gotta check what's been Posted before Posting![swg]

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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 7:56 AM
Good Morning Tom once again thanks for picking on the tired weary taxman we have our ways to get even. But Absolutely right I failed to acknowledege the postings. So drinks are on me for the day.

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SOMETHING SPECIAL WILL BE POSTED CLOSE TO NOON TODAY –
WATCH FOR IT!



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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 8:53 AM
Mornin' Gents!

In case anyone has missed it, we have another OPEN BAR! Compliments of passengerfan Al!!![swg]

A bit of snow has fallen here in mid-Continent USA, with the total expected to be near 2 inches. You'd think we're having a major weather event given the reactions from the radio traffic reporters, weather people, schools, etc. <good grief!> When I first moved to this area in 1977, we had snow - and I mean snow. Now they tell us we've had only 5 inches this winter season, about 10 less than the normal. I can recall the first two winters here where we measured the snowfall in feet, not inches. Crazy old world, eh[?]

So, what's going on today[?] You'll have to check in near the noon hour to find out![swg] In my ongoing efforts to keep this thread movin' along and of course on topic with Classic Trains .... well, you'll find out!

Where's Rob[?] Missed him yesterday and last night - so what does this tell us[?] Hmmmmmmmm. 'Puter problems, Part Deux[?] Hope not, as we surely cannot suffer another long loss from him. And, where's Nick[?] Hmmmmmmmm (again!). These two are becoming as unpredictable as the weather here in East Central MO![swg]

Did you guys catch that not-so-veiled threat from the Taxman[?] Veee Hafff Our Vays, eh[?] Where have we heard THAT before[?][swg] If you're gonna dance to the music, you gotta pay the fiddler, so I''ve been told. Thanx for the OPEN BAR! The Taxman GIveth![swg]

Okay, boyz, I've gotta get going on some chores, so I'll check back now 'n then in the hopes that someone has stopped by.

Later!

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Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 9:47 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. No song titles today - not that I've run out, but we'll give it a rest for awhile.

The Kirkwood station is a lovely structure and I'm glad that it has been saved and not turned into something else.

As always, I appreciate the NYC material. The B&A was (and is) one of the more inmteresting pieces of railroad in the country.

I won't get too much into the history of it, except to say that, for a long time, it kept its equipment lettered "Boston and Albany." The reason for this (or so the legend goes) is that folks up home did not want to have anything to do with that Vanderbilt upstart from New York. BTW, Boston and Albany bonds were traded for years - up to the time of Penn Central. I remember seeing the quotes for them in the financial pages of the Boston papers.

There was, for many years, a Boston section of the 20th Century. Ed Hungerford's book Run of the Twentieth Century talks about how this train was handled. If you can scrounge up a copy of the old NYC-produced PR film "Flight of the Century," you will see some pictures and hear some descriptions of this phase of the Century's operation. This item should be readily available as I have a video of it, and I think I recall seeing somewhere that it was out on a DVD.

The Boston section joined with the main train at Albany westbound and split from the NY side at Albany eastbound. Amtrak, until they messed with 48/49 and 448/449 followed essentially the same practice. although everything was done across the river at Rensselear. The last time I rode the Lake Shore was abt a year ago when I went west from Boston to Chicago. The Boston section is now a plug train with an across the platform transfer at Rens. It worked o.k., but it's not the same as sitting in the comfort of the sleeper as they combine the trains.

The ads that our 'steamed proprietor has posted give you an idea of what happened next.

NYC (in their never ending contest with the Great Tuscan Father) shortened the schedule of the Century several times. This meant that, for timekeeping reasons, something had to be done with the Boston section. In 1938, when the 25/26 was reequipped, the former Boston section became a separate train known as the "New England States." The States (#s 27/28) initially ran as a hw operation but it did get some of the early streamlined Pullman-Standard cars; it was completely reequipped after the War. The States was truly a class operation. Our passenger car experts can unravel how the cars were assigned, but the New England States was in all respects a top-of-the-line train. Power in most cases was PAs and later E units. I have in my collection a shot of a PA/PB combination pulling an all stainless "States." Lovely!

One last remark. You have doubtless heard of 2-8-4 Berkshire locomotives. They first operated on the B&A and got their nickname from the mountain range that's crossed between Boston and Albany.

The pictures of the Boston section were interesting. The first one was probably taken around Allston, MA. The train is westbound and if I recall my track layout, is crossing the B&A branch that crossed the Charles River and proceeded to East Boston.

The second one was made probably just west of Boston near a wide place in the road called Fanueil. The B&A had a four-track mian line in sposts heading out of Boston which remained in place until the Boston section of the Mass Pike (the world's largest parking lot) was built.) I remember the four track section quite well as they could really roll through there.

A long time ago, I ran the following here; but I think it deserves an encore. It'll give you an idea of what the Albany was like.

Mohawks - The Boston and Albany

If the New Haven and the Boston and Maine were home roads, then the Boston and Albany was the way to the west. My mother (whose limited sense of geography was legendary in the family), was convinced that anything beyond Albany was the "Middle West", and quite possibly desert populated by Indians. She believed the Albany to be a granger road that somehow appeared from the sky and plopped down on Massachusetts. All of this was based on the fact that some of the Albany's trains operated to exotic locales such as Cleveland, Chicago, and St. Louis.

When I was small. I pored over the Central's ads in the National Geographic; especially the ads for the overnight trains that ran along the Hudson River from New York. An ad that stuck in my mind was a piece called "One by One the Windows Close Their Eyes." This showed a generic moonlight river scene. A westbound train ghosted along the NYC's immaculately maintained four track main line. It was late at night, the copy said, and people were going to bed after an elegant meal in the diner. They would arrive refreshed at their destination the next morning, well-rested after a good night's sleep along the Water Level Route. Another favorite was a wallow in unabashed nostalgia appeared around Christmas time. This ad pictured a toy train running around a Christmas tree. The copy, written to the tune of "Jingle Bells," ran to the effect that "Oh, what fun it is to ride on a New York Central Train!"

The reality of the NYC in New England was much different. The Central reached New England via the rails of the Boston and Albany - a gritty, blue-collar, sleeves rolled up operation.

The ancestry of the B&A went back almost to the beginning of the railroads in the United States. The Albany steadfastly maintained its independence even after it had been absorbed by the much larger New York Central. The Albany contended with terrain and weather that more closely resembled that encountered by the Baltimore and Ohio or some western railroads. People used to talk about the Boston and Maine's Fitchburg Division being a terror in the winter, but they never had to deal with an ice-filled cut at Washington Summit or flog tired locomotives over Charlton Hill.

Most of the B&A's trains were diesel powered when I was growing up, but a few still got steam power. My father rode the B&A when he had to travel to jobs in the western part of New England. He often came back to Boston on a local train from Springfield and sometimes my mother and grandmother would go to meet him and I would get to go along.

Newtonville was the B&A station nearest to us outside Boston. The station was about in the middle of where the Massachusetts Turnpike (I-90) is now. Back in the late 40's, though, the Newtonville station stood at the bottom of a grass covered knoll that swept down to the tracks. Here the railroad was in space unconfined by walls or buildings. It afforded an entirely different aspect to the viewer. Westbound trains rolled through there if they were not scheduled for a station stop.

In the golden sunlight of a fall afternoon, the silvery rails of the four track B&A mainline curved away to the west. To the east was Boston and the tracks receded from the station in a forced perspective enhanced by several overpasses. Now, from the east, barely discernable, a pinpoint of light grew larger and then seemed to remain still for a long time. The light suddenly grew larger and then larger still and a faint almost singing sound was heard in the rails. Smoke was visible now above the light. The engine blasted out from beneath the overpasses and then with a couple of enormous "chugs," passed by in a welter of hissing steam, flailing drive rods, heat, and the aroma of coal smoke, hot grease, and oil.

A quick glance in the cab window revealed the fireman hard at work in white cap and blue shirt and the engineer silhouetted in the window on the other side of the cab, one hand on the throttle and the other resting on the cab window ledge, his eyes staring intently at the track ahead. There were some filthy New York Central baggage cars behind the tender followed by coaches, a diner, and four heavyweight Pullmans. I later found that the locomotive was a Mohawk class, probably among the last in New England, and that the train was the "New England Wolverine" with cars in its consist for Detroit and Canadian cities. The train headed, its smoke hanging over the tops of the cars. The fragrance of coal smoke lingered after its passing along with a slight dusting of cinders and smaller particles. It was glorious and I lost my heart to the B&A.

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 10:55 AM
Good Morning (again!) -

CM3 That story about the Boston & Albany (B&A) is a great read and so very well put together![tup][tup][tup] You are correct, Sir, you did Post it on 21 Oct 2005 on page 143. It reads just as well today as it did back then. If we still had our former Regular watching these Posts, I'd think you would be nominated for yet another Silver Throttle Award for your efforts. Well done indeed.

Got a chuckle (again) regarding the comment about your mother and the mindset of Boston being the center of the universe, etc. I recall when living up thataway when the Bruins were playing the Blues for the Stanley Cup. The media (Boston Globe, WBZ, Channel "whatever") all had pretty much the same thing to say regarding St. Louis - "way out there in the west," or words to that effect. We had no clue that one day our home would be made about 25 miles west of the Arch. But it was amusing to listen to the way people referred to any place west of Bahstun.[swg]

The Kirkwood Station is certainly worth visiting. While the outside is captivating to the eye, the inside is yet another treat. The volunteers and the City of Kirkwood have really done wonders with keeping this station in good repair. Amtrak removed the agents from the station, and many others throughout the nation, on April Fool's Day 2003. A day that will live in infamy!<groan> Fortunately, as previously documented, the volunteers keep it open about an hour before and after train arrivals/departures. Four trains a day between St. Louis (to the east) and Kansas City stop at Kirkwood.

Always appreciate the quarters - thanx! Sorry, can't take your money for a round today - as this is an OPEN BAR day, thanx to passengerfan Al!! Better watch it, CM3 for it appears you too are falling into the "trap" of not getting the most current info when you log on and in. You can lead a horse to water .... [swg]

Tomorrow's RRs from the Past "theme" is the New Haven. So if you want to get back into the "good graces" of the steamed Proprietor jump right in with some "stuff," as I really don't have very much for additional Posts.[tup]

Oh yes, appreciate the info on those B&A Pix - figured you'd jump right on 'em![swg]

Thanx for stoppin' by and I hope you'll check back before the day is done.

Later!

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 11:30 AM
On this day, February 8th, in Canadian Railroading history:

Hinton train collision


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The Hinton train collision was a railway accident that occurred on February 8, 1986. Twenty-three people were killed in a collision between a Canadian National Railway freight train and a VIA Rail passenger train. It was the most lethal Canadian rail disaster since the Dugald accident of 1947.

The vicinity of the accident

The accident took place on a stretch of Canadian National Railway's transcontinental main line, near the town of Hinton, Alberta, west of Edmonton. Nearby towns are Jasper to the west and Edson to the east. Passenger service on the line was provided by VIA Rail Canada. Slightly over half of the 100 mile (160 kilometre) stretch of track between Jasper and Edson was double-tracked, including 11.2 miles (18 kilometres) of trackage from Hargwen siding west to Dalehurst siding. Traffic on this line was controlled with Centralized Traffic Control (CTC)

Prelude to the accident

On the morning of February 8, 1986, VIA Rail's No. 4 train, the Super Continental, was travelling from Jasper east to Edmonton on its transcontinental journey. It consisted of 14 units in the following order:
1. Diesel locomotive
2. Diesel locomotive
3. Baggage car
4. Coach
5. Dome car
6. Sleeping car
7. Sleeping car
8. Diesel locomotive (inoperative)
9. Steam generator car
10. Baggage car
11. Coach
12. Lounge car
13. Sleeping car
14. Steam generator car

The unusual make up of the train was the result of two separate trains being joined together in Jasper. The first seven units had originated in Vancouver, and the next six units had originated in Prince Rupert. The last unit, the steam generator car, was added in Jasper on its way to Edmonton for maintenance. One hundred fifteen people were on the train; 94 passengers, 14 stewards and seven crew.

Canadian National Railway's westbound train No. 413 consisted of three locomotives, followed by a high-speed spreader, 35 cylindrical hoppers loaded with grain, seven bulkhead flat cars loaded with large pipes, 45 hoppers loaded with sulphur, 20 loaded tank cars, six more grain cars, and a caboose; a total of 118 units. It was 6,124 feet (1,866 metres) long and weighed 12,804 tons. In the front locomotive were engineer John Edward (Jack) Hudson, aged 48, and brakeman Mark Edwards, aged 25. In the caboose was conductor Wayne Smith, aged 33.

The freight train left Edson at 6:40 am, and took the siding at Medicine Lodge to allow two eastbound trains to pass. It departed Medicine Lodge at 8:02 am and reached Hargwen at 8:20 am, where a section of double track started. The remote dispatcher at Edmonton had set the switch so that the train was routed onto the north track. At the same time, the Super Continental stopped at Hinton. It left on time, five minutes later, at 8:25 am.

At 8:29 am, the dispatcher set the switch at Dalehurst, where the section of double track ended, to allow the Super Continental to take the south track. This switch setting would have caused the freight train to see signals indicating a stop. A two-light signal 13,600 feet (4.15 kilometres) east of Dalehurst showed yellow over red (meaning slow down and prepare to stop). As the train approached this signal, it was already going full throttle at 59 miles per hour (96 kilometres per hour), faster than the 50 mile per hour limit on this stretch of track. It did not slow down after passing the signal.

Further west, there was a three-light signal, 490 feet (150 metres) east of the switch at Dalehurst that showed three red lamps, indicating a stop. The freight still did not slow down, instead jumping the switch and entering the section of single track occupied by the Super Continental. Had the Super Continental been even a minute early, it would have been past the switch at this point, but unfortunately it was not. Seconds after the freight jumped the switch, at 8:40:52 am, the two trains collided, 1,270 feet (387 metres) west of the switch. As the freight train's momentum was greater than that of the passenger train, it ploughed through the first few cars of the passenger train.

The aftermath

After the crash, diesel fuel spilled from the locomotives and ignited, and the locomotives, the baggage car, and the day coach were engulfed in flames. The two crew members in each of the locomotives were killed.

Eighteen of the 36 occupants of the day coach were killed. The death toll might have been higher except that the contents of a grain car were propelled on top of the car, helping to smother the fire somewhat. Had the sulphur cars, for instance, been at the front of the train, the death toll might have been higher.

The observation dome car behind the day coach suffered serious damage, and was also hit by a freight car. One of its occupants was killed. The others were able to escape either through a broken window in the dome or through the hole left by the freight car. The two sleepers following the dome car derailed and were thrown on their sides. There were no deaths in these cars, but there were several injuries. The three passenger cars at the rear of the train did not derail, but there were some injuries.

As the accident unfolded, the cars on the freight train piled up on each other, resulting in a large pile of rolling stock. The three freight locomotives and the first 76 cars of the train were either destroyed or damaged.

The cause

It was clear that the freight train should have stopped, but for some reason did not. Initially it was believed that the cause was either faulty signals or human error. The possibility of faulty signals was ruled out in the following days, when the signals were found to be working perfectly. That left human error as the cause. However, since the head-end crew of the freight train did not survive, it was not clear why they had erred. However, enough of their remains were found that testing was able to rule out drugs or alcohol as the cause.

The inquiry

A Commission of Inquiry investigated the crash. Mr. Justice René P. Foisy, Alberta Court of Queen's Bench, held 56 days of public hearings and received evidence from 150 parties. The inquiry report was published on January 22, 1987. Instead of condemning any one individual, it instead condemned what Foisy described as a "railroader culture" that prized loyalty and productivity at the expense of safety. As an example of this disregard of safety, it was noted that the crew of that train had boarded the locomotive at Edson "on the fly". While the locomotive was moving slowly through the yard, the new crew would jump on and the previous crew would jump off. While this method of changing crews saved time and fuel, it was a flagrant violation of safety regulations. Management claimed to be unaware of this practice, even though it was quite common.

Another frequently ignored safety regulation mentioned in the report was the "deadman's pedal" which a locomotive engineer had to keep depressed. Were he to fell asleep or pass out, his foot would slip from the pedal, engaging the train's brakes automatically. However, many engineers found this tiresome and bypassed the pedal by placing a heavy weight on it. It was uncertain whether the pedal had been bypassed in this case because the lead locomotive of the train had been destroyed. A more advanced safety device was available, the Reset Safety Control (RSC), required crew members to take an action such as pushing a button at regular intervals, or else automatic braking would occur, but neither lead locomotive was equipped with this safety feature. While the second locomotive in the freight train was equipped with RSC, it was not assigned as the lead locomotive because it lacked a "comfort cab". Management and union practice was to place more comfortable locomotives at the front of trains, even at the expense of safety.

The report also noted that although the front-end and rear-end crews should have been in regular communication, that did not appear to be the case in this accident. As the freight train reached Hargwen, Hudson radioed back to Smith that the signals were green, a communication that was heard by a following freight. As it ran towards Dalehurst there was no evidence of further communication. As the conductor is in charge of the train, had Smith felt that the train were out of control or there were serious problems, he should have pulled the brake cord in the caboose to stop the train. However, Smith, who appeared to be nervous while testifying, said that he did not feel that the freight was ever out of control, misjudging its velocity. He also testified that he attempted to radio Hudson on two radios, but neither seemed to be working, despite the fact that immediately after the crash Smith was able to contact the dispatcher by radio. Even were Smith's testimony true, he apparently did not consider the problem sufficiently serious to stop the train, a second misjudgement. The general suspicion was that Smith had neglected his duties by sitting at the more comfortable desk seat instead of in the cupola of the caboose, where he should have been and where he would have a clear view of the track and the signals.

References

Halliday, Hugh A. (1997). Wreck! Canada's Worst Railway Accidents, Robin Brass Studio, Toronto. ISBN 1-896941-04-4.
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 12:01 PM
A good late morning/early afternoon Tom and all-in-the-know, and you know who you are. I’ll have a Coca-cola for now as it’s too early for anything harder, and put it on Al’s tab since he’s paying. Just taking a break in between classes.

No snow today, but it is COOOLLDDDD even though it’s sunny. The wind is blowing and temps are in the mid 30’s.

Tom, great job on the NYC “Railroads from Yesteryear” segment and the B&A. I’m sure that I’m not alone when I say the Penn Central merger was not the best thing to happen to those two roads. Your Kirkwood station pic is nice. I took one before the trip back to KC Monday, but I wish I did before the winter season turned the tree limbs bare and the grass brown. Sad outcome indeed on the Hinton Train collision on the CN.

Al, great stuff about SP in the 1940s [tup]. Thanks again for the thirst quencher.

Doug, interesting info on your cabs segment. It's amazing how railroad equipment barely survived, if they did at all, during the war.

CM3, I too cheered for the Steelers during the Super Bowl. My favorite commercial was the Budweiser Clydesdale “American Dream,” which featured the little Clydesdale trying to pull the big wagon out of the barn on his own, but didn’t know the two full grown Clydesdales were pushing from behind. The old man told the dog “I won’t tell ‘em if you won’t.” Definitely a commercial that touches the heart. My wife and I have toured the Budweiser brewery in St. Louis, Mo a few years ago, and those Clydesdales are more impressive in person. They are pampered in every since of the word, and do live a better life than I or anyone I know. In case you’re wondering, yes, there are samples (limit 2) of beer at the end of the tour.

Pete, glad to hear from you. As Tom pointed out upstream, the Kirkwood station is manned by volunteers, and they use plain scanners to tell if Amtrak is running on time. It would be nice if Amtrak had an automatic sign that told if a train was on time or not. One of the city bus systems in KCMO has illuminated signs at bus stops indicating if their buses are on time or delayed, and how long their delayed.

Gotta get prepared for next class. Take care for now,

Russell
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 2:01 PM
G'day!

Nice to see ya in the mid-day, Russell! That Coke is gonna cost Al a fiver - for we charge dearly for soft drinks only at the bar![swg] He can afford it - after all, he's Taxman!<grin>

Should you and your bride come to this area in warmer seasons, let me know and we can visit Grant's Farm. You'll get to see the Clydesdales up close and personal at this huge estate, owned by the Bush family. Used to belong to President/Gen. Ulysses S. Grant. Lots to see and do there and the best part is the price - free.[tup]

Glad you caught the Hinton train crash - was rather sobering, eh[?]

Hope to see ya again, soon!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 2:18 PM
Good Afternoon Tom and whoever is at the bar!

Looks like I just missed the Santa Fe guy, Trainnut484 Russell. Been awhile since someone has stopped by in mid-day and I’m sure the barkeep appreciated it.

Another Open Bar! Well, let’s see, how about one of those frosty cold bottles of good old Bud – that talk about the brewery got my thirst started![swg]

In reading the account of the train collision in Hinton, Alberta, Canada it seems rather obvious where the blame belongs. What a way to put a town on the map – but then again, I did a wee bit of research on the place, and came away with some surprises. Here’s a few lines for those who may be interested (all from Wikipedia, of course!):

QUOTE: Hinton is a town in western Alberta, Canada, about 70 km northeast of Jasper and about 300 km west of Alberta's capital city, Edmonton.
Population: 9,405 (2001)
The town of Hinton was named for W.D. Hinton, Vice President and General Manager of the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway. The community was officially recognized in 1928.
The exact location of the town of Hinton has changed ten times in its history, its sites scattered along a line some twelve kilometres in length. The original location was along Hardisty Creek, where an aboriginal group from the Jasper area had left members stricken with smallpox while the rest of the group travelled to Lac Ste. Anne to find medical aid for the smallpox epidemic which was ravaging the indigenous population in Alberta. The area was thus dubbed Cache Picote (Smallpox Camp) in 1870.
Jack Gregg established a trading post at Prairie Creek in 1888 to serve travellers along the Jasper trail. The creek is now known as Muskuta Creek after an incorrect interpretation of the Cree name by white settlers. The construction of the railroad saw the establishment of a construction camp at Prairie Creek in 1908. The Canadian Northern Railway also established a station called Bliss, 8 km from Prairie Creek, in 1914. In 1915, Dalehurst became the postal station for Hinton. Entrance, another important centre to Hinton, served as its communications centre. Entrance was so named due to its location at the entrance to Jasper National Park.
The Canadian Northern Railway became an aggregating force as settlements grew around the operations of this company. The company, however, abandoned its track in 1926.
The population of Hinton experienced a boom during the 1930s when American entrepreneur Frank Seabolt and two partners opened the Hinton coal mine in 1931. Shortly thereafter, a recession caused the population to dwindle to less than 100 people, but the town rebounded in 1955 with the opening of a pulp mill. The mill brought rapid construction to Hinton and to the neighbouring village of Drinnan, and the two communities amalgamated in 1958 to form the present municipality of Hinton.


There you have it!

I think another brew would do fine along with one of your ham & swiss hero sandwiches –just mustard, butter and a large pickle on the side please. I’ll take it to the back room and catch a bit of TV ….

Wondering aloud - how come none of the guys from here seem to want to stop by your other thread????? Some interesting stuff over there and 'tis a shame hardly anyone takes advantage of it.

Until the next time!

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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 2:59 PM
Hello Tom,

Just a little something for CM3 now that I have read through his most touching post of this morning. Here's to you!



One more brew, then I gotta scram ......

Until the next time!

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 3:13 PM
What in the world do we have here[?][?] A GIANT HERALD![swg]

Doesn't look as if CM3 will be coming back this day, so I leave this for the 'morrow for his perusal:

B&A westbound freight, Springfield, MA (1933) (fair use)


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 5:00 PM
Hi Tom and all.

Another free day at the bar[^][yeah] thanks to Al. I pint of the usual please.

A good fini***o the NYC day with the named trains from LARS. Then on to the Boston & Albany with a couple of great photos. It is a sign of those times in how neat and tidy the trackside is in the photo. The B&A seems to have been a popular line. Thanks AL and CM3 for the details . That description of the Steam loco passing Newtonville in CM3's encore is one of the best I have read[tup].

RUSSELL I don't what would happen if the volunteers wern't there as no one would know how the Amtrak trains were running on the line through here. On some of the smaller un-manned stations in England there is a small box by the platform which by pressing a button you are connected to the dispatcher who will inform you as to how the next train is running.

TOM Thanks for the info on the NYC Mohawk at the St Louis Museum[tup].
Another great theme with On This Day.
I don't suppose the reason why the crew of the frieght passed the caution and the stop signals to cause that tragic accedent at Hinton will ever be known. In the U.K there is an ongoing campaign to stop trains passing a red signal. All trains now have to be fitted with whats known as TPWS which is an advanced and safer system than the old Automatic Warning System which was intro-duced inthe 50s which did much to improve railway safety. The preserved Steam locos certified for main line running have to be equipped with TPWS .

Thanks LARS for the info on Hinton and looking forward to the NH tomorrow TOM.

I'll have another free beer thanks AL. PETE>
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 6:15 PM
G'day!

Good to see ya, Pete and appreciate the enthusiasm for the Posts of this day![tup][tup] Elaboratoins also "right on!"

I concur with your assessment regarding CM3s Post - he's right up there with the best of 'em![tup][tup][tup]

Always a good day a the bar when the drinks are FREE!![swg] Wonder if Al will be just as "generous" once we hook up in Toronto for our Rendezvous in May![?][swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Trainnut484 on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 7:22 PM
Good evening Tom and gang. Since the bar is still open tonight, I'll have a Miller Lite, and put it on Al's tab. Thanks again Al [:D]

In keeping with the NYC spirit here, I have a pic of a NYC 4-8-2 # 2933 I took at the St. Louis Museum this past weekend. Click to enlarge


Enjoy [8D]

Take care,

Russell

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 7:39 PM
Evenin' Gents!

So, the NYC "theme" continues ..... Check this out:

New York Central (NYC) (1929) [Wikimedia Commons] (CLICK to ENLARGE)


Nice Pix, Russell [tup]

Leon the Night Man will take the bar at 9 PM (Central)

Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 11:19 PM
Good evening Tom and the crew. I'll just have a tea this evening ( gonna go easy on Al's budget [:D] ) I missed yeaterday due to an emergency at the store that required my attention most of the day < sorry can't eleborate further > needless to say not a good day.

Anywho Tom CM3, and lars Amazing stuff yesterday on my favourite US road the NYC, goos show all around gents my engineer's cap is off to you all. Multiple silver throttle day if I had my way. [tup][tup]

Pete I've filled your latest url for later perousal, too bad if in fact that tramway does close down[tdn].One would think that in this day and age, more tramways should be openning up.I'm wondering are they just closing the old style street railway portion and switching it to the higher volume light rail that's so much in vouge now.

327 is a dream to work on and operate. It actually has not given all that much in the way of problems over the years, likley because it's always had a home indoors and never runs during rain storms. Open 600v controllers and water don't mix that well. [xx(]. It's craftmenship is a testiment to the time. When the replica was built in 1932-33 the TTC still employed hundreds, of rough and finishing carpenters, as the skills were still required to keep the several hundred wooden TR cars running. It wasn't till the late 40's that the TTC retired the last of their wood bodied passenger cars and went all steel PCC and Witt cars system wide.

Russ Those CN slugs were built as slugs. Custom built for road and yard use. The only locomotive parts on them are the trucks which are the same as what GM put on the MP15 locomotives. They were built of all new components in te 80's by Bombardiers locomotive facility in Montreal ( the old MLW plant ) There is i beleave about 60 of them on the railroad.The only slugs that CN homebuilt also happened in the early 80's . Twelve old MLW S3 and 4's were "slugged" cab and prime mover removed and the hood cut down to about 4 feet off the walkway. These units were permanently MU'd to S13 switchers ( also MLW's ) all these were sold off by Canac in the late 90's.


Doug Excellant conti uing story on locomotive cabs. Interesting stuff [tup] it's amazing to see the continuing advent of such a simple yet required piece of the locomotive. Continues today. All locomotives now have the full width safety cabs, at one point in the 70's only CN was fitting the then novel Wide safety cab to locomotives, the rest of the railraods feeling that they were an unneeded expense. Today of coarse it costs railroads more to build a conventionally cabbed locomotive than the wide cabs as noe the production has shifted the other way, with the Spartan cab being the expensive option at the factories. ( even NS now purchases the saftey cabs )

Tom Indeed a sobering story, that of the wreck at Hinton. The debate still rages today for the need of VIA to have their own trackage ( at least in the corridor } Likley closer to reality now than ten years ago , time and budgets will of coarse tell.

Also Tom what's with all the picture being posted after Sunday? Have the inmates started to run the asylum ? LOL consider yourself twweted for some as yet unumbered rule violation. [swg]

CM3 No need to feel humbled by that photo of MLG and the PCC. Intersting thoughtb though both things in that picture are now no longer used. At least in MLG's case the building still exists ( designated historical a couple decades ago )No use has yet been found for the building but at least it still stands. Our museum's master mechanic took that shot on his way to work. When he's not tinkering with the mechanicals and electricals of the museum's cars , he's tinkering with the mechanicals and electricals at the CBC.

Since today is still Pikes perspective day, I will ad just this little tidbit. After several lomng talks and some interesting ( well not really ) negotiations. I'm yankin gout the benchwork in the basement spare bedroom. Too tight od a space to properly accomplish what i wanted to do. I will be taking over the office/spare bedroom in the attic instead. A one for one flip so everyone concerned is happy. Up top i have less in the way of obstructions to deal with. In the basemen t room the door opens in and a closet and two windows had to be bribged + the room was narrow so my ample proprtions tended to fill the asileways. All this and a longer mainline run will be added and fixed in the new digs. On the upside, all the benchwork was designed to come appart easily, so the move will be fairly simple-also no permanent wiring or overhead had been raised yet, all in all it was the best possible time for this change to occur. More later.


Well gents I'm a bit drained so I'm off for now.

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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, February 9, 2006 2:53 AM
Good Night Barkeep I figured if the bar opens at six in each time zone then I'm in for last call on the left coast as you call it.(Insomnia). Everyone seems to have liked the New York Central day we had and we had more regulars than I remember for awhile. I see Rob made it just before closing to. Guess I'll have a CR and see if that helps me sleep.

I see Russ even gave us a picture of the NYC 4-8-2, nice.

Tom that accident at Hinton I have often wondered about even wondered if that midtrain passenger locomotive could have contributed to the severity of the damage to the passenger cars.

I don't think with this insomnia I will be able to post before work in the Morning so will leave this under the door for the morning.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER # 58

MERCHANTS LIMITED NYNH&H trains 26-27 July 8, 1949 New York – Boston daily round trip All Parlor 220.1 miles each way 5 hours 15 minutes

The Merchants Limited became the only lightweight streamlined All Parlor Car train to operate in North America on the above date. Unfortunately it lasted for less than three months before coaches were added to this the most famous of all New Haven trains.

CONSIST ONE

208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY Baggage Buffet 1-Parlor Drawing Room 2-Parlor Roomette 28- Seat Lounge Car

400 CONNECTICUT RIVER 26- Revenue Seat Parlor 14- Seat Lounge Car

402 HOUSATONIC RIVER 26- Revenue Seat Parlor 14-Seat Lounge Car

300 PITTSFIELD 36- Seat Parlor Car

900 JONATHAN EDWARDS 48- Seat Dining Car

302 MANSFIELD 36- Revenue Seat Parlor Car

315 WESTERLEY 52- Revenue Seat Parlor Car

317 DANBURY 52- Revenue Seat Parlor Car

475 WATCH HILL 38- Seat Tavern Lounge Bar 22- Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

209 KINGS COUNTY Baggage Buffet 1-Parlor Drawing Room 2-Parlor Roomette 28- Seat Lounge Car

401 THAMES RIVER 26- Revenue Seat Parlor 14-Seat Lounge Car

403 BLACKSTONE RIVER 26- Revenue Seat Parlor 14-Seat Lounge Car

301 BRIDGEPORT 36- Revenue Seat Parlor Car

901 SAMUEL HUNTINGTON 48- Seat Dining Car

303 BROCKTON 36- Revenue Seat Parlor Car

316 MYSTIC 52- Revenue Seat Parlor Car

318 GROTON 52- Revenue Seat Parlor Car

476 BUNKER HILL 38- Seat Tavern Lounge Bar 22- Seat Lounge Observation


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 9, 2006 5:22 AM


THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM. (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Thursday once again! Start the day with a freshly brewed cuppa Joe, some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, and if you’re really hungry, try our <traditional> and <light> breakfast selections from the menu board![tup]


Daily Wisdom

Thank you for making this day necessary.
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear may be found at:

#1: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=233&TOPIC_ID=35270
#2: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=234&TOPIC_ID=35270
#3: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=237&TOPIC_ID=35270
#4: http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=240&TOPIC_ID=35270

New Haven arrives today!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 05:23:59 (241) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 06:44:52 (241) Streamliner #57 – SP Daylight

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 07:41:43 (241) Tweeeeeet!

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 07:56:08 (241) The Taxman Springeth!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 08:09:57 (241) Announcement

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 08:53:24 (241) AM Comments

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 09:47:12 (241) AM Informative Post!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 10:55:10 (241) reply to coalminer3, etc.

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 11:30:29 (241) This day in Canadian RR History

(10) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 12:01:13 (241) Inclusive Post, etc.

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 14:01:55 (241) reply to Trainnut484

(12) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 14:18:32 (241) Hinton info, etc.

(13) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 14:59:14 (241) B&A logo

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 15:13:02 (241) B&A Pix

(15) pwolfe Pete Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 17:00:19 (241) Inclusive Post, etc.

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 18:15:41 (241) reply to: pwolfe

(17) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 19:22:10 (241) NYC Pix

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 19:39:31 (241) NYC Map

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 23:19:34 (241) Inclusive Post, etc.



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
Double Features beginning Monday, January 30th!

. . . Sunday, February 5th thru 11th: The Titfield Thunderbolt (British 1953) starring: Stanley Holloway, Naunton Wayne, John Gregson & Sidney James – and – Breakheart Pass (1975) starring Charles Bronson, Ben Johnson & Richard Crenna.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 9, 2006 7:47 AM
Good Mornin’!

Looks like a nice day has begun here in mid-Continent USA – temps are in the teens, but expected to get above freezing (F) before to long; blue skies and a nice white covering on the rooftops and lawns. Feels like winter to me![swg]



Some acknowledgments are in order:

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 08 Feb 2006, 23:19:34


He has returned! A brief absence, but noted just the same. Things aren’t the ‘same’ without our Streetcar Mentor ‘round here.[swg] Glad you’re back.

Yes, we had quite a day yesterday and the one before with the NYC and B&A – all good stuff and all in keeping with the overall theme ‘round here: Classic Trains!!

Hmmmmmmm, inmates running he asylum, eh[?] Well, it would seem to ME that once the part part-time help ‘round here begins a movement against the Proprietor that a review of what’s what and who’s who is in order! Tweeeeeet! the Proprietor, eh[?] Well, I have the one and ONLY Tweeeeter! – so beware. I’m sure there’s a “rule” out there covering what you have attempted.

Pix Posting is encouraged for our Sunday Photo Posting Days! – and has been from the get-go ‘round here. However, take note of the Pix that are in the ‘signatures’ of several guys ‘round here – over ‘n over ‘n over. Aren’t THOSE the same as someone Posting an occasional Pix during the week[?][?][?] Hmmmmmmmm.

So, the “official policy” is: Post the Pix on Sundays but every now ‘n then, if germaine to a particular Post or event, a single Pix or two is more than welcome and tolerated.<phew>

Tweeeeeeeeeeet! Tweeeeeeeeeeet! Rules violation! Rules violation! Rule #7: Inventing a rule that doesn’t exist! Rule #8: Attempting to Tweeeeeeet! the Tweeeeeeterer! Boris Ring the bell – drinks on trolleyboy Rob for instigating an insurrection![swg]

passengerfan Al
Posted: 09 Feb 2006, 02:53:38


Insomnia strikes again![swg] Jumped right on that New Haven “theme” for this day, eh[?] Appreciate the “Streamliner” on the Merchant’s Ltd Surely am surprised at the rather sparse “stuff” out there on the NYNH&H in terms of available Pix and the like. For such an active road, I’d think there’d be lots more. We’ll see what surfaces as this day progresses! Thanx, again![tup][tup]


Okay, Gents, next up is the “centerpiece” for our Theme for the Day: New Haven[tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 9, 2006 7:52 AM
Now arriving on track #1 …..
Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Five


Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.


New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad

Locale: New York, NY to Boston, MA

Reporting marks: NH

Dates of operation: 1872 – 1969

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)

Headquarters: New Haven, Connecticut


The New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad (AAR reporting mark NH) was a railroad that operated in the northeast United States. Commonly referred to as the New Haven, the railroad served the states of Connecticut, New York, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts. Its primary connections included Boston and New York.

History

The New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad was formed July 24, 1872 as a consolidation of the New York and New Haven Railroad and Hartford and New Haven Railroad. This included not only the main line from New York City to Springfield, Massachusetts via New Haven and Hartford, Connecticut, but also leases of lines including the Shore Line Railway to New London. The New Haven went on to lease more lines and systems, eventually forming a virtual monopoly in New England south of the Boston and Albany Railroad.

The first line of the original system to open was the Hartford and New Haven Railroad, opened from New Haven to Hartford in 1839 and beyond to Springfield in 1844. The New York and New Haven came later, as it ran parallel to the Long Island Sound coast and required many bridges over rivers. It opened in 1848, using trackage rights over the New York and Harlem Railroad (later part of the New York Central Railroad system) from Williamsbridge south to Grand Central Terminal, which served as the New Haven's New York City terminal.

Around the turn of the century, New York investors, led by J.P. Morgan gained control and in 1903, installed Charles Mellen as President. Morgan and Mellen sought a complete monopoly of transportation in New England, purchasing other railroad and steamship and trolley lines. More than 100 independent railroads eventually became part of the system before and during these years, reaching 2,131 miles at its 1929 peak. Substantial improvements to the system were made during the Mellen years, including electrification between New York, and New Haven. But Morgan's expansion left the company overextended and financially weak. It never truly recovered.

Under the stress of the Great Depression, in 1935 the New Haven slipped into bankruptcy, remaining in trusteeship until 1947. Common stock was voided and creditors assumed control.

After 1951 both freight and passenger service lost money. New Haven's earlier expansion had left it with a network of light density branch lines that could not support their maintenance and operating costs. The New Haven's freight business was short-haul, requring a lot of switching costs that could not be recovered in short-distance rates. The New Haven had major commuter train services in New York and Boston (as well as New Haven, Hartford and Providence), but these always lost money, unable to recover their investment providing service just twice a day during rush hour. The death of the New Haven may have been sealed by the building of the Connecticut Turnpike and other interstates. With decades of inadequate investment, the New Haven could not compete against the automobile or the trucker.

In 1954 the flashy Patrick McGinnis led a proxy fight against incumbent president Buck Dumain, vowing to return more of the company's profit to shareholders. McGinnis accomplished this by deferring maintenance. McGinnis also spent money on a flashy new image for the company - dull green and gold trim was replaced by loud black, orange and white. When he departed, 22 months later, he left the company financially wrecked. It once again went into bankruptcy on July 2, 1961.

At the insistence of the ICC, the New Haven was merged with Penn Central on January 1, 1969. Following the bankruptcy of Penn Central, in 1976 a substantial portion of the former New Haven main line between New York and Boston was transferred to Amtrak, and now forms a major portion of the electrified Northeast Corridor, hosting high speed Acela Express and commuter rail service.

Harlem River

The Harlem River and Port Chester Railroad was the New Haven's first lease after its merger. It was chartered in 1866, leased by the New Haven on October 1, 1873, and opened later that year, running from the New Haven at New Rochelle, New York south into the Bronx, New York City. It was originally a branch line, but in 1916 the New York Connecting Railroad and its Hell Gate Bridge opened, turning the Harlem River Branch into a major through route.

Air Line

The New Haven, Middletown and Willimantic Railroad opened in 1873 as part of the Boston, Hartford and Erie Railroad system, running from New Haven northeast via Middletown to the BH&E at Willimantic. The BH&E went bankrupt that same year, becoming the New York and New England Railroad, but the NHM&W stayed separate, failing in 1875. It was reorganized as the Boston and New York Air-Line Railroad, and operated by the New Haven from 1879, being leased on October 1, 1882.

Connecticut Valley

The New Haven obtained a majority of stock of the Hartford and Connecticut Valley Railroad in 1882, running from Hartford south and southeast to the Shore Line Railway in Old Saybrook via Middletown. That line had originally opened in 1871 as the Connecticut Valley Railroad, and continued north to Springfield, Massachusetts via the Connecticut Central Railroad, later part of the New York and New England Railroad system. In 1880 the company was succeeded by the Hartford and Connecticut Valley.

New Canaan

The Stamford and New Canaan Railroad was a branch from the New Haven in Stamford north to New Canaan. It was chartered in 1866 as the New Canaan Railroad, opened in 1868, reorganized and renamed in 1883, and leased by the New Haven on October 1, 1884.

Naugatuck

The New Haven leased the Naugatuck Railroad on April 1, 1887, obtaining a line from Naugatuck Junction on the New York-New Haven line near Stratford north via Waterbury, reaching the Central New England Railway at Winsted. The line, organized in 1848, had opened in 1849.

New Haven and Northampton

The New Haven and Northampton Railroad, built next to the former Farmington Canal, ran from New Haven north via Meriden to Northampton, Massachusetts and beyond to the Fitchburg Railroad's Troy and Greenfield Railroad. The New York and New Haven Railroad leased the first few sections soon after they opened, obtaining the line to Plainville in 1848 and the extension to Granby plus several branches in 1850. In 1869 the leases expired, and the railroad was independent until April 1, 1887 when the New Haven leased the whole line.

New York, Providence and Boston

The New York, Providence and Boston Railroad was a continuation of the Shore Line Railway past New London to Providence, Rhode Island. The line was incorporated in 1832 and opened in 1837. The New Haven leased it in 1892, merging it into itself on February 13, 1893.

Housatonic

The Housatonic Railroad, chartered 1836 and opened 1842 (with branches opening later), had a line from the New Haven in Bridgeport north, passing east of Danbury, to West Stockbridge, Massachusetts (later the Boston and Albany Railroad in Pittsfield). The Housatonic leased the Danbury and Norwalk Railroad (opened 1852), running from Danbury (to which the Housatonic had a branch) south to Norwalk on the New Haven, in 1887, and it leased the New Haven and Derby Railroad (opened 1871-1888), a branch to New Haven, in 1889. On July 1, 1892 the New Haven leased the Housatonic, giving the New Haven all the north-south lines in western Connecticut

Providence and Worcester

The Providence and Worcester Railroad was also leased on July 1, 1892, running from Providence, Rhode Island northwest to Worcester, Massachusetts. It was incorporated in 1844 and opened in 1847.

Old Colony

The New Haven leased the massive Old Colony Railroad system on March 1, 1893, spanning all of southeastern Massachusetts and completing the route to Boston via the Old Colony's Boston and Providence Railroad. The original mainline opened in 1845; the Boston and Providence (leased 1888) opened in 1834 and 1835.

New York and New England

The New England Railroad was the final link in a long chain of reorganizations of a network usually known by its prior name, the New York and New England Railroad. It stretched mainly east-west across central Connecticut, connecting to the Hudson River on the west and to Providence and Boston on the east. The New Haven leased the company on July 1, 1898. The first sections opened in 1849 as parts of the Norfolk County Railroad and Hartford, Providence and Fishkill Railroad, and construction progressed very slowly.

Shepaug, Litchfield and Northern

The New Haven also leased the Shepaug, Litchfield and Northern Railroad on July 1, 1898, running north from Danbury, Connecticut to a dead end at Litchfield. It was chartered in 1868 and opened in 1872 as the Shepaug Valley Railroad, becoming the Shepaug Railroad in 1873 and the SL&N in 1887.

Meriden, Waterbury and Connecticut River

The Middletown, Meriden and Waterbury Railroad was the final name of the line from Waterbury, Connecticut east to Cromwell, on the Connecticut River north of Middletown. The New York and New England Railroad leased the line (then the Meriden, Waterbury and Connecticut River Railroad) in 1892 (connecting in Waterbury), but the MW&CR went bankrupt soon after, and was reorganized as the MM&W in October 1898 and immediately leased to the New Haven on November 1, 1898. This line was the first in the area to be abandoned, only running interurban streetcar service in its final days. The MW&C had been formed in 1888 as a consolidation of the Meriden and Cromwell Railroad (opened 1885) and Meriden and Waterbury Railroad (opened 1888).

Central New England

The Central New England Railway was the New Haven's final acquisition in 1904. It included the Poughkeepsie Bridge, the southernmost fixed crossing of the Hudson River from 1888 to 1916 (when the Hell Gate Bridge opened), with its main line stretching east to Hartford and Springfield. The first section opened in 1871 as the Connecticut Western Railroad, going through several reorganizations before its final state.

New York Connecting

The New York Connecting Railroad was incorporated in 1892, opening in 1916 as a connection between the New Haven's Harlem River and Port Chester Railroad and the Pennsylvania Railroad's Pennsylvania Tunnel and Terminal Railroad to Penn Station and the tunnels under the Hudson River. It was owned half-and-half by the New Haven and Pennsylvania.

Operations

• Passenger service ran been New York (Grand Central Terminal) and Boston (South Station) approximately every hour.

• Four passenger trains a day, and an overnight train ("The Federal") ran between Washington DC and New York (Penn Station) via the Pennsylvania Railroad and then through to Boston

• Passenger Service between New York (Grand Central Terminal) and Hartford and Springfield was approximately hourly.

• Commuter service from New York ran to New Rochelle, Stamford, New Cannan, Danbury (and on to Pittsfield), Bridgeport, New Haven, Waterbury (and on to Hartford). Commuter service from Boston went to destinations on the Old Colony system of Greenbrush, Plymouth, Brockton/Campello, Middleboro, Hyannis/Woods Hole on Cape Cod, Fall River, Newport, New Bedford and Providence, Woonsocket, Needham Heights, West Medway and Dedham.

• Major freight yards were at South Boston, Taunton, Fall River, New Bedford, Providence, Worcester, Springfield, Hartford, Waterbury, New Haven (the major Cedar Hill hump classification yard), Maybrook (another hump yard and interchange point for western connections), New York Harlem River and New York Bay Ridge (where interchange was made with the Pennsylvania and other railroads in New Jersey, via barge).

• Multiple through freight trains traveled at night between New York or Maybrook and Cedar Hill yard and on to Boston. Other through freights served the yards above as well as intermediate points and also State Line (New York Central interchange), Brockton, Framingham and Lowell (Boston and Maine interchange for traffic for Taunton, New Bedford and Fall River).

References:

Railroad History Database

Edward Appleton, Massachusetts Railway Commissioner, History of the Railways of Massachusetts (1871)

Philip C. Blakeslee, A Brief History Lines West Of The New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad Co. (1953)


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 9, 2006 8:37 AM
Good Morning!

Check this out for our "Theme for the Day - New Haven" -

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Enjoy!

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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, February 9, 2006 8:46 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please, rpound for the house and $ for the jukebox. Let's play "On the New York, New Haven and Hartford." Remember all sing the chprus which is, "Into Boston on Time!"

There's another Hinton (WV) which was a big railroad center back in the day. The station still stands and the coal dock is there, but most of the yeard trackage, roundhouse, and turntable are gone.

The B&A picture in Springfield was shot at the west end of the station. The New Haven line broke off just a bit futher west of where the photographer was standing and the B&M came in from the north in the same area. Check out the humongous sand dome on the B&A engine - they needed that for the grades to the west.

The Merchants consist was interesting as I rode just abt. every car listed over the years. The "Hill" cars carried a Mrchants tail sign. They did not last too long in obs service as they had some work done to them to allow them to operate in mid-train lounge service. My dad told stories abt riding the Merchants back b4 it got coaches. The NH (even up to the end) always tried to run a good "Merchants." That reminds me of a story from years ago. The poet, Amy Lowell, used to smoke cigars. I have a picture of her riding in a parlor car on the NH reading as she enjoyed a stogie - 'nuff said!

Our 'stemed proprietor posted a NH map while I was getting this ready. If you look, the NH sort of resembles a "lazy" K. The Shore Line operated between Boston and New York. Electriciation ran from New Haven to New York. The eastern part of Massachusetts was honeycombed with branch lines and what today would be considered secondary main lines. I remember from my childhood that the New Haven seemed to be everywhere.

At its fullest extent the New Haven operated as far east as Provincetown, MA (at the tip of Cape Cod).

Another main line ran between New Haven and Springfield (via Hartford). Just west of there was another line from New Haven to Northampton, MA with several branches.

The Maybrook Line broke away from the Shore Line around Devon and ran west through some rugged country in Connecticut and then into eastern NY crossing the Hudson at Poughkeepsie to get to Maybrook and Campbell Hall. Maybrook afforded freight connections to the west via the NYO&W, Erie, L&HR, and L&NE (near and dear to us coal folks). In the day, this handeled a lot of freight and was the site of some of the New Haven's heaviest power.

Another line breaking off at Devon ran north to Waterbury where it split into several other branches and a cross-country line to Hartford. This line continued eat to Providence via Willimantic. Willimantic afforded a conenction with the CV.

Another line ran between Norwalk and Pittsfield where it connected with the B&A. It crossed the Maybrook line at Danbury.

I talked about the New York area in a previous post, but suffice it to say the NYNH&H operated into Penn Station and GCT. Their interchange operations in the New York vicinity.were handled by car floats for the most part.

Again, something from the notebooks which I posted a long time ago - but it'll give you an idea of what it was like on the New Haven 40+ (***!) yrs ago around New York.

The New Haven did a splendid bar business and drinks were flowing already though the train was barely five minutes into its trip. Leaving Boston, I always tried to get a seat on the east side of the car because that was the side that faced the ocean. I always felt that the trip to New York really didn’t begin until we left Providence. By then, most of the passengers had settled into the rhythm of the trip. The fastest running between Boston and New York occurred south (west by timetable) of Providence from around Warwick to the Connecticut border. The little seacoast towns flashed by and the sound of the locomotive’s horn was almost continuous as it passed over an endless series of grade crossings. The Shore Line below Providence lived up to its name as the tracks almost seemed to be in the ocean. We could see swans and what my maternal grandmother called "storks" nesting alongside the tracks. New London was always interesting because we could look for submarines, and see what the Central Vermont was doing.

Then on to New Haven. The train would approach the city on a fill that crossed over miles of swamps. This was leavened a little by a pair of short tunnels. We could see the mammoth Cedar Hill yard in the distance, dominated by its huge concrete coal dock. Here, truly, was the center of the New Haven. The double track main line passed close to the Cedar Hill departure yard which was filled with all kinds of freight cars. The line from Hartford joined us and swept toward the New Haven station beneath a series of overpasses. We were under the wires now, which meant we were on the electrified portion of the New Haven. It was not uncommon to see three or more passenger trains moving at once, along with a freight train, and sometimes a switcher with a cut of cars. The postal facility just north and east of the station was always filled with mail cars, green cars from Railway Express and Railway Post Office cars; something I didn’t see all that much in Boston, despite my encounters with the mail trains. We were getting closer now and the train was slowing.

The New Haven station was a busy place as it handled lots of through trains and hordes of commuters. As I mentioned, we were now on the electrified part of the New Haven. Generally we changed from diesel to electric power at New Haven. Sometimes, though, we kept the same engines if we had FL9s for power and were going to Grand Central. The FL9s were hybrids what were diesels, but were also fitted to run off the third rail that was closer to New York.

I have always liked electric locomotives. The New Haven, as befitted its history as the country's first major electrification, had a wonderful collection of electric engines that included everything from ancient so-called “flatbottoms,” to the gorgeous EP5 “jets.” A typical power change at New Haven went something like this.

It's midmorning at New Haven on a cold day. The wind blows in from the harbor, and makes it seem even colder than it already is. A passenger train, from Boston, is about to arrive - we can see its headlight under the wires off to the north. The big Alco diesels slide by us and brake to a stop in a combination of sound of hissing air, ringing bells, and engine noise. It's going to get busy now, so we'd better stay out of the way.

Men wheel carts of baggage and mail up the open doors of the head end cars. They're hurrying as the train won't be here for very long. Farther back passengers are getting off the train and others are boarding. Car men are busily inspecting each car and the diner is getting refilled with water. Ahead, two filthy car knockers are down between the second diesel and the head of the first car. Their job is to cut off steam lines and brake lines and uncouple the diesels from the head of the train. This is done through hand signals that are passed ahead to the engineer who leans back out of the cab window. He backs the diesels just a little to give the men enough slack to uncouple.

It's cold today and things are stiff - a shot with the hammer right there will do it. A quick flip of a go ahead hand signal and the diesels snarl and move away. They'll be refueled, sanded, recrewed, and on their way back to Boston soon. A "ba-dump-ah!" sound of switch points moving and escaping compressed air, and in the distance we see an orange, black, and white EP-5 class electric engine threading its way toward us. The engineer gently backs toward the train and stops about 2 a car length short. The car men are on either side now and again with casual hand signals tell the engineer to back up slowly, don't jostle the passengers. "Ca-lang!" Now check to make sure she's really coupled by pulling ahead just a little. Everything's O.K. Now, reconnect the brake lines, electric, and steam lines and check to make sure that everything's working. We'd better hurry back and get on the train, as the head end work is done, and the engines have been changed and we'll be leaving before long. Anyway, it'll be time to get something to eat before too much longer.

The New Haven’s trains either carried full dining cars or grille cars. The grille car was something like a diner only not as patrician. New Haven diners and grille cars served regional food, which tended to be simply prepared. As a child, one of my favorites was a grille car hamburger which came served with lettuce, tomato, and a big slice of sweet onion on a toasted roll. It was a real treat to eat as we rolled along toward under the wires toward New York.

South of New Haven (west by timetable), the New Haven operated a bewilderingly complex commuter service to and from New York. A four track main line ran under the wires in most places, except where buildings were too close to the tracks. The commuter trains usually operated on the outside two tracks and the through passenger trains on the inner two tracks. Add in the through and local freight traffic that operated then, too, and you’ll get some idea of the activity that existed on the NYNH&H. It was not uncommon to see four or more trains at one time; all running. Many of the NH’s suburban stations were wooden structures, painted red or buff with white trim. Some of the larger towns, such as Stamford, Connecticut had more elaborate stations. The commuter trains were mostly mu cars that resembled subway cars. There were some stainless steel mu “washboard” cars too, but I remember these as the exception rather than the rule. Arrival at New York was either at Grand Central Station or at Pennsylvania Station.

Going to Grand Central we would swing up and over the New York Central on a magnificent flying junction at Woodlawn. Then we’d drop down on the west side and tie in with the NYC. Here was a stretch of big time railroading for certain as our train shared space not only with other New Haven trains, but with the trains of the mighty Central. Heading into New York, we’d pass by the Central’s Mott Haven yard which was on the right hand side of our train. Mott Haven was a delight as it was always filled with not only with New Haven cars of all types, but also stainless steel New York Central cars, two-tone gray New York Central cars, and visiting sleepers and other equipment from foreign lines such as the Santa Fe and the Union Pacific. Here’s where the time spent studying the timetables my father brought home paid off, as I was able to recognize the different kinds of cars when I saw them, and sometimes could even figure out what trains they were from or for. Over there’s part of the “Ohio State Limited,” those cars are for the “20th Century,” and there’s a Los Angeles-New York sleeper off the Santa Fe! Check out the NYC S motors switching the yard!

The New York Central’s Hudson line joined us from the right just south of Mott Haven and from there the procession into New York was on a high elevated track through Harlem. Many times, we stopped at 125th Street, and I was often lucky to see a New York Central run pulled by one of their electric locomotives. The buildings here were different than those in Boston. I could see apartment houses with factories nearby, often on the same block. Many of these building had wooden water towers on their roofs, again something that was not that common in Boston. One other place that had water towers on building roofs was Chicago. We had TV by then, and I’d watch Jackie Gleason’s show, “Live from New York!” He had a series of sketches on the show called the “Honeymooners” which was set in Brooklyn. The buildings I could see heading into New York looked like the ones in the “Honeymooners.”

We’re getting close now and here we go into the Park Avenue tunnel. If I stretched just right I could look up through the openings in the tunnel and see the tall buildings that marked the passage toward Grand Central. The entrance to Grand Central was always thrilling as we crept through the darkness of the tunnel toward our assigned track. We’re going very slowly now, past the underground tower with the lighted boards that controlled train movements in and out of the station. One last shudder and we stop. Now’s the time to make sure we have everything we brought along with us - the car attendant has our bags out on the high level platform. Sometimes I carried my bags, but most of the time we used the services of a Red Cap, especially if the family was traveling together.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 9, 2006 10:46 AM
Good Morning!

A fine contribution from our earstwhile authority on the New Haven - always means much more from someone who "has been there," so to speak.[tup][tup][tup]

Always glad to know that the Posts are "reaching out" to those who apprecaite 'em the most. Seems to me the guys we have frequenting the bar nowadays on a routine basis, are the ones who give a Rat's Patoot![swg] Way to go!

That narrative on the New Haven is just as compelling a read today as it was when you first Posted it on 19 Oct 2005, page 141![tup][tup] You really should think about getting those "notes" of yours together and get this stuff into hardbound print![yeah] Perhaps the Mentor Village Publishing House and Snooker Emporium could be of assistance to you[?][swg]

For what it's worth ... I found out that the Pix I posted of that early B&A 20th Century Ltd was taken in the Springfield, MA area as well.

Really great pickup on the New Haven map - that's the kind of interaction we can really "dig" 'round here! Thanx .... [tup][tup]

Thanx for the round - and the quarters![tup] Songs[?] You'll have to hum a few bars for me to recognize either.[swg]

Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 9, 2006 10:54 AM
ENCORE! POST FROM THE PAST - NEW HAVEN

He's not here right now, but his words are. Check out this ENCORE! Post from BudKarr BK from 18 Oct 2005, page 140:

QUOTE: BudKarr Posted: 18 Oct 2005, 14:01:14

Posts: 136
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Location: Wherever I happen to be

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and staff. I surely enjoyed the New Haven fallen flag data and thank you for honoring my request. I am a bit surprised that more of your regular customers have not inundated you with their selections. Nevertheless, thank you.

I cannot imagine that anything coming from me will be either enlightening or informative to those who know the NH. But here are a few tid bits of information regarding that prized railroad:

* Unlike the majority of other railroads, passenger train revenue was largely responsible for the success of the company.

* The railroad was considered to be a compact railroad, connecting virtually all of the towns and cities of Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts.

* The final order for steam locomotives by the NH was in the 1930's for ten streamlined Baldwin 4-6-4's Hudsons.

* The showcase of the NH direct rail link between Boston and New York was called the Shore Line Route. This route covered 229 miles and was the only direct rail link between the largest of the northeast cities.

* In 1938, a new service appeared on NH freights called trailer-on-flatcar (TOFC) and was introduced between Boston and New York City.

* Patrick McGinnis took over the NH in 1954 and changed the livery to the flashy orange, red and black which won immediate acceptance by the traveling public. Unfortunately, the rest of Mr. McGinnis' efforts were not so well received as the railroad began its downward spiral.

* A toy train company owned by A. C. Gilbert in New Haven, Connecticut, successfully marketed their NH replica trains. The GE EP5 electric locomotive was one. Some years earlier, Gilbert's line of trains, called American Flyer, produced the Pullman-Standard "turtle roofed" toy streamliners that became known throughout the region as "American Flyer cars" in the real railroad world. (Life imitating art?)

* Perhaps one of the NH's most successful ventures involved the purchase of Rail Diesel Cars from the Budd Company of Philadelphia in 1952-53. Forty cars were put in use over nearly 920 route miles of service. These self-contained cars, called Shoreliners, quickly ignitied the commuter rail growth for decades to come.

* The NH vanished from the scene in 1969 when a federal court ordered that it be included in the Penn Central, which had previously absorbed the bankrupt Pennsylvania and New York Central railroads. The PC went bust in 1970.

Note: The aforementioned was obtained through internet resources.

I think a nice cold draught is in order, one of those Keith Ales you talk so much about please.

The Union Pacific advertisement is interesting and one only needs to read between the lines to get a feel for the times. That is a well done series that you have put together and I hope you do not become weary of sharing those nostalgia posts with us. It is indeed a shame that one's efforts sometime go completely unheralded or noticed. It just may be that many take them for granted as another sign of the "routine" at Our Place.

BK


So there you have it! Words from cyber space that live on and on ..... THANX BK wherever you may be this fine day!

Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! POST FROM THE PAST - NEW HAVEN
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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, February 9, 2006 2:28 PM
Hi Tom

Doesn't appear to be anyone at the bar ..... but, it's great to be here and take part in the "Theme for the Day!" The New Haven was always one of my favorite roads to ride - even though I have 'lineage' way back into the beginnings of the B&O - the road to Boston was always a treat to travel aboard.[tup]

Some really good stuff going on with the New Haven and I especially enjoyed the "blast from the past" you provided from BudKarr BK - nice. And this from a guy who supposedly doesn't really dig trains! [yeah] Right![swg]

Really liked that route map and of course the narrative you provided on the NYNH&H A three-[tup] Salute to you Sir! [tup][tup][tup]

Before I totally forget (again!) - thanx for sharing your personal info with us, Rob about your interest in steetcars. Don't know what happened there - but I am getting "up" in age![swg] Have a drink on me to make up for my blunder![swg]

Ok - here's my contribution to the RR from Yesteryear - The New York, New Haven & Hartford

Name trains of the New York, New Haven, and Hartford (New Haven) (NH)

Bankers
Champion
Colonial
Cotton Blossom
Everglades
Federal
Havana Special
Merchants Limited
Miamian
Montrealer
Palmetto
Palmland
Patriot
Peach Queen
Pilgrim
Quaker
Senator
Silver Meteor
Silver Star
Sunland
Valley Express
William Penn
Washingtonian

There you have it! Perhaps not "pretty" or as inclusive as some would like it, but these are the names most of us who traveled that road can relate to. What do you think, CM3[?][?]

By the way - that was one terrific post you put forth this morning and I for one appreciate the effort you put into these things. Makes it all the more worthwhile to stop by ....

Here's a ten spot for the next round and I'll take a "couple of fingers" of that Jack Daniels with the Black Label - on the rocks will be just fine! Medicinal purposes, ya know![swg]

Until the next time!

Lars
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, February 9, 2006 2:57 PM
G'day Gents!

Just visited my "other thread" and found Trainnut484 Russell had dropped off a couple of Posts! Way to go and thanx![tup][tup] Of course, the idea is to get some customers in this place from that place. Since there aren't any takers lately, I'm hoping that the guys from here will go there on occasion, if for no other reason than to keep it going. Some pretty good "stuff" happen' .....

Lars Nice work with the name trains of the New Haven!! Man oh man, I surely have hit a "wall" with the "theme" on this day. Done all I can do and I'm ready to take a looooooooong break. Appreciate having you stop by at this time of day, if for no other reason than to keep the bar hoppin'[swg]

Thanx for the 'words' regarding the guys from here visiting my "other thread." I really think it is coming to the end of the line though. Doesn't seem to have the interest that it once had - but I'll keep it going until the "well runs dry."

Catch y'all later - much later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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