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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, November 4, 2005 2:13 PM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Guess I'll have a CR and a round for the house.
Missed a chance to ride the California Zephyr from Oakland to Chicago instead I rode the Zephyrette from Oakland to Salt Lake City. After staying in a motel I caught the California Zephyr from Salt Lake City to Chicago.
I know the Budd Car doesn't compare with the CZ but just to be able to sy I did it is something.. Remember we stopped for all meals and RR employees ounumbered paying passengers. I rode up front with different engineers for most of the daylight running. I guarantee the CZ was no where near as well liked as that Zephyrette by this railfan.For some unexplainable reason I enjoyed every RDC trip I ever took. And I rode plenty. The Dominion Atlantic on Canada's east coast from the ferry to Halifax. After riding the Atlantic Limited from Montreal across Maine then connecting with the ferry.
Rode the RDC 's on the CN on several occasions from Toronto to Kingston. Even rode the CP RDC from Toronto to Peterborough on another occasion.
Favorite RDC trip was the Cariboo Dayliner between North Vancouver to Prince Geaorge on both the Pacific Great Eastern and much later when it was the British Columbia Railway. Rode Great Northerns lone RDC in Montana. Will follow this up later just had company arrive.
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, November 4, 2005 7:25 PM
Greetings!

Haven't seen a regular at the bar for nearly 5 hours! Fortunately the track gang's are havin' at it in the pool room, so all's not lost 'round here.

Thanx for the round, Al, always appreciated! By the by, your Email response to my Rendezvous message has been received. Thanx! [tup]

Thought for sure today's Fallen Flag SR would have attracted SOME attention ...... well, at least the NOSTALGIA piece got a response.

We've had a good run with those Budd RDC ads and I enjoyed the info provided by CM3 and of course your latest. You certainly have logged some miles travelling aboard those fine machines. I can say, thanx to *** Watkins and the folks at TRE in Dallas, that I've ridden nearly 40 miles in the cab of RDCs! My claim to fame. [swg]

As a passenger, I've logged several year's worth of commuting time aboard the B&M while living in the Boston area, and a BC Rail round trip between N. Vancouver and Lillooet, BC. Also had the opportunities to ride the B&O and NH RDCs, all pretty much at the end of their "lives."

Looking forward to the "rest of the story" from ya when you're able. [tup]

Sounds like I better check out that back room, things are gettin' a bit rowdy ...... I think Tex the Armadillo just took a "chunk" outta one of the guys new snakeskin boots. Boris has tried to mediate, and ........ oh good grief! Gotta go ......[B)]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 5, 2005 6:26 AM
SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Mornin’ All!

Info for the Day:

(1) Today is ENCORE! day insofar as NOSTALGIA and Fallen Flag Posts are concerned.

(2) Sunday is SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! and of course the bar is CLOSED.

(3) Next Friday, November 11th is Veteran’s Day (U.S.) and Remembrance Day (Canada & Great Britain). In recognition of all those who have served or are serving, let’s do something special on that day at ”Our” Place.

Find something to Post that is reflective of either of the World Wars that has some connection to the railroads, the war effort or both. Advertisements abound from those times, so it shouldn’t be too difficult.

With a week to prepare, my hope is that we’ll get good participation! [tup][tup][tup]




INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 05:48:40 (155) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 05:50:38 (155) Fallen Flag – SR

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 05:56:46 (155)

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 09:09:06 (155) Boston subways, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 09:53:48 (155) reply to trolleyboy – Theodorebear – coalminer3

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 12:05:56 (155) NOSTALGIA #19 – Ad Budd RDC

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 12:52:31 (155) Vets/Remembrance Day

(8) passengerfan Al Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 14:13:39 (155) RDCs

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Nov 2005, 19:25:59 (155) reply to passengerfan, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 5, 2005 10:42 AM
"Try, try again." Howdy Tom and all that could drop in today. I dropped in earlier and was "cut short" by a neighbor's phone call. Weekends are "iffy" at best and unsolicited calls don't help.[tdn] E-mails have been responded to and questions are pending further replies.[tup]

YES, Southern Rwy will always be in my "most favorite" catagory.[^] Some of the "rolling stock" and locos are, for me, irresistable. The classic PS-4 Pacific with its graceful boiler contour, massive fire box, Elesco feed water heater and Baker valve gear is one of those pieces that marries up with the Soutnern livery like a GG-1 to the Pennsy's. The Science Bldg. at the Smithsonian Institution (Wash. D.C.) proudly exiibits a PS-4 in its original Sylvan Green, gold lettering and silver firebox/boiler front quarter plus the flat red cab roof in all of its splendor. The "Crescent" was the "Queen of the Fleet" for many years and passenger satisfaction through those years attested to the quality of service. Danville, VA hosted the S.R. principal shops during the steam era and many a fine specimen rolled in and out of them.

On the passenger side, I was very partial to the reshoped (welded sides) day coaches. With their high arch roofs (either flat black or Coach Green) , streamlined window shapes, and semi-gloss Coach Green paint (gold lettering) on the sides, I found the "understatement" in excellent good taste. There were no air vents or escutcheons to festoon the roof line as in most reshoped "standard" coaches. If anyone hasn't taken a peek at pix of the S.R. steam loco roster, please do so and post your opinions on them, if you will.[bow]

When the EMD E series diesels assumed most of the passenger chores in the late 1950's, S.R. clung to their Sylvan Green but with a off white splashed over it in in a livery design that reeks of mass in motion. My primary focus is on the 20' and 30's epoch with the "Crescent" Limited and its' touch of elegance applied to the normally utilitarian appearance of the Pullman standard designs. The "terrible truth" here is that I never rode that line in my life. But, in an old issue of Classic Trains magazine, I saw many pix and descriptions: "it was love at first sight."

Many thanks Tom for this Fallen Flag, one which I will archive post haste. Some earlier cimmittments are now pressing upon my time. I must break away but will "follow up" on prior Posts a.s.a.p. Okay Boris, its your turn! Gadfrey, he is turning the bell inside out.[:O][alien] Happy rails.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 5, 2005 12:28 PM
. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for Chris and the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Western Pacific (WP)

Headquarters: San Francisco, CA

Route mileage in 1950: 1,137

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel - 174

Rolling stock in 1950: Freight cars – 5,532; Passenger cars – 29

Principal routes in 1950 (not including subsidies):

Oakland-Stockton-Sacramento, CA-Salt Lake City, UT
Keddie-Bieber, CA
Reno Junction-Reno, NV
Niles-San Jose, CA

Passenger trains of note:

California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago – Oakland)
Feather River Express (Oakland-Portola, CA)
Royal Gorge (Oakland-St. Louis, MO)
Scenic Limited (Oakland-St. Louis)
Zephyrette (Oakland-Salt Lake City) [RDC’s!]

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, November 5, 2005 12:56 PM
Good afternoon Tom and the gang. I'll grab a nice roast beef hoagie without the hoagie[:I][:p]

Yes indeed I'm back to work no major suprises[tup] unfortunatly this weekend sat and sun I'm supervising the night crew so I'll be sparse the next couple of days likley[tdn][:(]

Tom It is a suprise that the Canadian roads still refer to miles, I suspect it has something to do with the interchange of trafiic / crews with the United States. Remembering that both CN and CP own fairly large amounts of rail milage in the US and have American crews and customers.If they didn't at least attempt to work in both systems I'm sure the resulting confusion would be costly.

As to the Greater Winnipeg, other than the brief blurb I have given that's it's that's all I just have no info. CM3's synopsis in his subway post is more info on that system then I have.


Have you looked into the Lifelike subway cars for your Canam project Tom. they look good and run well a thought anyway. They are NYC prototype, but they do come on two or three different paint schemes ( none with factory applied grafitee though [;)][swg] )


CM3 Loved your story of the Boston Subway. I can smell the ozone and grease myself. I too thought I would meet a certain firey dimise the first time i rode the Younge Street subway in Toronto with the similar warnings. at least the tile and lighting are a bit better. I haad a chance to ride the new shepard line in Toronto last year.It's well done but the stations lack the grace and charm of the earlier lines. Very anticeptic and hospital like.


I'm glad you liked the one Ian Wilson book. Stratford is a good one. If you can try to get yourself a copy of Palmerston. For the tiny town it is/ was Palmerston was a major hub in all of CNR's central Ontario rail lines. All of this trackage is gone now so the book gives you a real feeling of what was. I remember by mother telling me some stories about her grandfather. He was a CNR section man based out of Palmerston. They would often take the train down from Listowel were mom was born and meet him at the Station at Palmerston. there was a pedestrian overpass of the main lines there, and the trains would pull into the station under it. many a daay she and my uncles would wait on the bridge as the Heavy Pacific's pulling the train would pull in drenching them in coal smoke a cinders. Much to my grandmother's dismay. I have also heard of many summer stories when great grampa would take mom and her brothers on his line inspections in july. Road out on the section mans car ( hand powered gandy dancer ) Good stuff really.


Tom and Ted I'm just off to peak at the email(s) will let you know what I think shortly.

later folks. Rob
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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, November 5, 2005 1:06 PM
Oh a couple of more things. Nice encores BTW Tom.[tup] To bad Chris's not around he'd love the continued talk of the Western Pacific his road du jour.

Tom & Al Loved the continuing RDC saga's. The rail cars that won't quit. I have to say that even though I had seen them in the Via service I never have actually ridden on one. If I ever get to Dallas it will be a priority.

CM3 Thank's for mentioning the MS&C , you may have missed the classic jiuce piece I posted on it as I think you were vacationing at the time.Page 131 if you wanted to rerread it. the bytown historical society has published a nice softbound book on the MS&C just last year. You can get copies directly from them via their website, or our musuem stocks it as well. If you do make it up to our musuem ever, make sure to ride on 107 our MS&C combine car.


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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, November 5, 2005 1:22 PM
A Classic Juice Encore for this fine Encore Saturday



QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy

Okay as promised yesterday: classic juice # 3 The Montreal and Southern Counties RY.This was an interurban line ment to link the city of Montreal with the southern Counties on the shores of the St Lawrence River.



The MS&C was originally chartered federally inan act of parliament in 1897.To provide service from montreal to st lambert. A second act in 1898 allowed them to build into the counties of,Beauharnois , Chateaugay , Huntingdon , and Napierville .A third act in 1902 authorized tha MS&C to enter into agreements with other railways on the South shore of the St lawrence.and eastern township areas. An act passed in 1905 allowed them to buy out a local bus line the South shore auto car company. they were slow to build from their initial start up date of 1897,indeed until a great deal of money came from the Grand Trunk railway. Little was actually built until GT allowed the MS&C to use the Victoria Bridge to cross the river to the southern counties this happened in 1905.



In november 1909 passenger service comenced between Montreal and St lambert. They ran as an independant company until 1911 when ownership went to the GT proper.and continued that way as a CNR franchise till discontiuance in 1956.Adding on of lines was slow and cautious. They reached Longiel in 1910 ( this was a point just east of the preasant day Jacques Cartier bridge )Ranelagh in 1911, Greenfield park i& Mackayvile in 1913,Chambly,Richelieu,and Mariesville in 1914. The town of Laprairie recieved a franchise in 1914 but never got the line built. The extension made it as far as Abbotsford and Granby in late 1915. With the final expansion to mariesville and Ste Angele completed in 1926 20 + years to build 50 miles of railway!




All the cars and equipment were of Canadain manufacture with the Ottawa car company building the bulk. All werebuilt narrow to accomadate the dimensions of the Victorian designed Victoria bridge.Most of the cars were wood bodied with monitor or railway roofs. Some later steel cars including the same 600 series cars later used on the NS&T arrived in the 30's.the first cars were built by Ottawa in 1909 #1-8single end passenger cars. #9-10 built by the Grande Trunk were the same just double ended.built in 1911,Cars 11-15 built by Osgoode Bradley arrived in 1926 were also double ended. (all MS&C cars were mu-able as there were no turning loops )The 100 series cars 100-105( double end cars ) were built by Ottawa in 1911 then 106-107 were double end combines built by ottawa in 1912 ( 107 is at our museum today )in 1917 the 200 series trailers were built #200-209 built by Ottawa one follow up 220 was built by Ottawa in 1930 non powered trailors ( wood bodies) .



Wooden 300 series work cars are as follows first 300 rotary plow built by Ruggles in 1910 second 300snowplow/flanger built by the NS&T in 1925.301 rotary plow built in 1910 by ruggles,302 and 303 de/dt sweepers built by Ottawa in 1910 and 1912. finally se wedge plows 304&307 built by Russel between 1906-1917. 305 dtline car built by the NS&T in 1924 , 306 express motor built by NS&T in 1921 DE locomotive 325 built by NS&T in1925.The first metal passenger cars 320-324 were built by Brill in1917 similar to arch roofed saftey cars ( dt ) also first non monitor roofed cars built for the MS&C. Final batch of 500 series work cars. 500 se flat motor built by Grand Trunk in 1911,SE express motors 501,502 built by National Steel Car in 1913 , 504 rexpress motor built by Ottawa in 1923 express trailors 503 & 506 were built by Ottawa in 1916 ( these were used to haul milk and mail ) The final cars were bought second hand from the defunct Sandwich & Amerstburgh Railway in 1930. They were built in 1923 and were the last interurban cars built in canada #620-623 These cars went on to run on the NS&T when the MS&C went out of business in 1956. Wordy but there it is. Have a good evening Rob
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 5, 2005 3:35 PM
G’day Gang!

Yesterday was the slowest Friday on “record,” as only three Posts were made from three regulars. [wow]

Didn’t expect much today, given it is Saturday, but always good to have a couple of shared thoughts to check out.

Some acknowledgements are in order:

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 10:42:35

Your Emails have been received and responded to – thanx! [tup]

Glad the Fallen Flag – SR “flicked your switch,” it truly was one of those finer operations on rails. [tup] I know exactly what you mean when you say “it was love at first sight.” The D&H did that to me when I first saw those great looking Alco PA’s in that blue livery. Never traveled aboard it, but sure do appreciate lookin’ at the pix! [tup]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 12:56:12, 13:06:28 and 13:22:33

Don’t hear from you for over a full day, then <zap> three Posts! [wow] Feast or famine, indeed! [swg]

Regarding the miles vs kilometers “thing,” I had read somewhere that there was tremendous resistance to changing the mile markers to kilometers, and at times nearly upset the ‘apple cart’ insofar as the metric system in Canada was concerned. It got “squashed” pretty well by those in Ottawa “bent” on ensuring that anything American is to be expunged from the Canadian landscape. I’m not making that up – it was something of an issue, but not run very often in the press. A pity, for common sense really took a bath and a back seat on that one.

Interesting that you mentioned LifeLike HO subway sets, for I am indeed checking out the availability of two sets. Very hard to find – and I’m NOT going to use eBay. I detest that “thing” and don’t want to be a part of it. Anyway, the sets I’m looking for are the 4-car subway in silver w/blue stripe and their “Red Bird’ series w/silver roof. I’d appreciate your help should you visit a LHS, for they haven’t been located on the net (yet). And yes, I’ve tried all of the “usual suspects, including the major Canadian sites. I can find the all red 4-car sets, and may settle for two of those if all else fails. I will place my initial order within the week, so time is of the essence for me. They are hard to find and limited in availability, especially since Walthers bought out LikeLike.

So, it appears my idea is beginning to grow and develop. It will be HO, it will run beneath Can-Am City and other portions of the layout as a dual track affair. I’m going to build some “shadow box” type “windows,” protected by plexiglass, where one can look into the stations and maybe along a right of way, just to see the trains passing by beneath the Can-Am layout. Should be fun to do. [yeah][tup][tup]

Will we be treated to something from you on Sunday Photo Posting Day! [?] I’m kinda runnin’ thin on material, and I don’t think my VIA Rail “stuff” has really done much as the comments have been rather absent. I think I’ve Posted about 20 of ‘em over the last two Sundays. My library just isn’t that extensive …….

Oh [yeah] thanx for participating in the ENCORE! Saturday [tup]
Looking forward to your Email.

Catch ya later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, November 5, 2005 4:21 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint if Bathams please hopefully. I say hopefully as I am expierincing some technical difficuties the last two days I can read stuff but when I try to write the computer is playing up.( the space bar was deleting letters and then the stuff disappeared into the either it was the same when I tried E-Mail [:(]).

Great Flags and posts lately. Thanks ALL

I see on the Nickle Plate and the Southern flags they had services that ran into St Louis. There must have been quite a few different different companies using that station in its hayday [?].

We had guests last evening one of whom was a Boston native he really appriciated the CM3 post on the Subway[tup][tup]. Looking foward to the next installment.

Thanks CM3 ROB AND TED for the info on the Coal Tipples As often happens something which is mentioned in the bar turns up somewhere else.In the new TRAINS mag there is a photo of the preserved Tipple at CHALMA it has been awarded the 2005
Trains Award[tup].

Talking of tipples a round for the house please.

There was a piece in the K.C. Star. They are moving 2 spans of a disused railroad bridge from the west bottoms and are going to re-erect it across the tracks by Union Station as a pedestrian walkway. It sould be moved in January and open in May. A lot of good things seem to be going on at K. C. Union Station[tup]

The computer seems OK now PETE.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 5, 2005 4:25 PM
Good late afternoon all, Tom, I think a Gilby's Gin & Tonic this warm p.m. (83 deg. F.). CM3, that is one fantastic piece on the Boston area's "under ground." I was at a total loss when in 1959, I ventured "down the tubes" for a "shot" at figuring out the system's routes, etc. The more I pondered the wall maps, the more intimidating this challenge became. At length, I just boarded the first P.C.C. that came along and some how ended up in a elevated situation. I detrained and descended the stairs into totally unfamiliar environs that seemed slightly threatening. Perhaps it was espying human excerement on the stoop of a Brownstone that engaged my "better judgement.". I ascended the same stairs and returned to the original point of entry, thence a return to North Station and a R.D.C. back to Beverly. Thanks again for another compelling story, looking forward to "...to be continued."[^]

Rob, maybe Tom's buddy Vito "the hit" can arrange for some more dental surgery so your detailed replys continue to roll in? Seriously, your running commentary on some pretty "isolated short lines" and feeders have cleared up some vague issues from the past, especially where the N.Y.C., Wabash and I.C. R.R.s were concerned.[tup]

Tom, this isn't much and probably "old hat" but maybe something may be salvaged from this "tid bit" on the B.C. Rwy. The Origin of the B.C. was formed by the P.G.E. Rwy which was financed by Investors from Grat Britain. A freight deal was worked out with the Grand Trunk Pacific R.R. under which PGE would haul all of G.T.P. R.R.'s freight between Vancouver abd Prince George. The first new loco bought by P.G.E. was built in Canada by the Montreal Locomotive Works in 1913. Number 51 and its sister #52 saw service until being scrapped in 1954. In 1918, the Province fell on hard times and P.G.E. went bankrupt. The B.C. provencial government then took control.

New construction of a popular passenger line running from North Vancouver to Whytecliff in W. Vancouver and a mainline from Squami***o Quensel improved ridership but not enough to make the Road any where near solvent. Gradually up through the 1940s B.C. Province's economy improved and lumber was the reason. The Line expanded rapidly with routes to Prince George in 1952, the Howe Sound section in 1956, the Peace River district was reached in 1958 and in 1971 the Fort Nelson line was completed. With new expansion, it was soon realized that the name "P.G.E." had nothing to do with the area of Canada it served. So, in 1972 the name was changed to BC Rail and changed again to BC Rail Ltd. in 1984.

Some of the most prosperous units used on the system were deliverd by the Budd Co. in 1956, they were RDC-1 (cab forward straight coaches) and the RDC-3 (cab forward w/baggage comp.). Between 1969 and 1973, new locos were added and they included 30-MLW 700 Series, 3000 h.p. units featuring Alco 251, 16 cylinder turbo charged engines; 17-G.M. of Canada SD-40-2; 7-G.M. electric traction class GF6-C (6000 h.p. over head pantagraph). These later addition locos worked the 50-kv "Tumbler Ridge" coal line and is said to be the most advanced operation of its kind in the world.

Well, thats about it for this evening. Thanks again to all who have had their say this fine Saturday. Happy rails to all.

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 5, 2005 5:13 PM
G’day Guys!

Awright – a couple of more customers and Posts. [tup][tup] Some acknowledgements are in order:

pwolfe Pete Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 16:21:10

Figured you’d either been havin’ problems with the ‘puter, or the bride wouldn’t let you use it! [swg] Glad you stopped by ……

[yeah] St. Louis was quite a rail center and corporate HQ in its day with MoPAC, Frisco, Wabash and Illinois Terminal located here and all running passenger trains out of Union Station.

Pehaps that friend of yours who viewed CM3s subway info would like to join us at the bar. The more the merrier! [tup]

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 16:25:50

Just love “stuff” regarding BC Rail/PGE. One of my proudest moments in model railroading came when I “discovered” the availability of a very limited run of Proto 1000s by LifeLike Canada of BC Rail RDC3s (two separate numbers). Snapped ‘em up and it was one of those things that I just had to do. A “neat” thing is that one of the numbered cars is a replica of the car we traveled in between N. Vancouver and Lillooet, BC. Always nice to have a car on the pike that you can “relate” to. The colo(U)rs, the detail – it’s all there. They run well too on my “mountain division.”

By the by, I’m a real sucker for Gilbey’s Gin! Love it, especially during the warmer climes. Think I’ll forego the brew and have one in a tall glass, with a twist of lime! Ummmmmmm. [tup]

Okay – gotta skedaddle as they say. We’ve got some evenin’ plans so Cindy will have the bar until Leon the Night Man arrives. It’s Saturday night, so enjoy! [tup]

Remember, We’re CLOSED on Sundays, but it’s also SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY!

Catch ya later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 6, 2005 7:03 AM
Good morning all! Here's my submission for the mail slot! This has been my most hectic week in terms of being so busy that I didn't have time to get to the computer at all. Long days at work have been rewarded with even longer days at work, but I managed to still get to the IRM yesterday to do some sanding and wire brushing on our BN 5383. I tried to get a few pics of relevant fallen flag stock, but dopey me forgot to re-charge the battery in the digital cam, so my offering is not going to be too great today.
Tom, I wanted to locate our Budd RDC for you, but that's going to have to wait. We're really closed these days, and the barns are pretty much only open to the people who do volunteer work in them. I only feel comfortable being in the diesel barn anymore. It's really strange to only see a a few dozen people on the property, and the barns essentially closed. They still play big-band era music over the loudspeakers though.
However, I can submit some Southern Railway pics!

This is our Minneapolis Northfield & Southern Railway 21, built by Baldwin Locomotive Works in 1948. Length: 74ft 3in, Width: 9ft 6in, Height: 16ft 8in,
Weight: 356000 lbs, and 2000HP.

This is Southern Railway 10 1948 Pullman private car "Susan Marie". Length: 82ft, Width: 10ft 1in, Height: 15ft 1in and Weight: 211240 lbs.
I believe it was Ted who asked if we had plans to restore the 975 Southern Pacific in last weeks photos. Sadly, the answer is not in my lifetime. The big steam efforts these days, are to get the 1630 Frisco Decapod back on the rails ASAP, as I'm sure you recall that we didn't run steam in 2005. The current resoration project is the UP 428 Consolidation, and there is no completion date that can even be guessed.
I hope no one here gets the impression that the IRM is at all stagnant. We have so many projects going, it's truely amazing. As an example, though I still don't know the make or year of my "mystery car" (from previous photos), I do have some information. 1st, it caught on fire, which was pretty obvious. I believe it happend on IRM property. Anyhow, all that remained was metal, so the top was torched-off, and it is being converted to an open-air passenger car with bench seating. The thinking is that people might enjoy having the option of riding on this type of stock.
Welcome to DkDukert! (I hope I remembered that right). Congrats to CM3 on his recent Our Place elevation, and thanks to the rest of you for all of the terrific information you continue to post! This thread is incredible!

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 6, 2005 7:11 AM
Yes, I know its Sunday, so in the "slot" this epistle goes. There that does it. Its too early for the Pix to be posted but I'm sure looking forward to seeing them.[^] This could wait until Monday but I awoke wide eyed at 5:00 a.m. with nothing to do after visiting the Drudge Report pages. Then, I remembered the subject of modeling a subway which has peaked imterest for some of us.

To be honest, I literally LOL when I first heard of the idea. I was thinking, how can you make something as mundane as "look alike" subway cars, buried out of sight interesting?[:O] Well, of course, that would be missing the point entirely, wouldn't it? Its really more about recapturing our life's past experiences via a H. G. Wells "time machine" sort of reincarnation. But then it crossed my mind, what an opportunity for employing the latest tech (DCC) for a totally automated train control situation. A "hands free" realistic stop and go operation of the trains would be possible with just a few commands entered into the remote. Even sound could be added to bring an otherwise, lack luster scene to life. So, maybe a subway isn't such a static addition after all. A modeler could go wild with a "endless" moving conveyer strip with "figures" attached, simulating a crowded commuter station. As Tom pointed out, the plexi glass panels would afford full view of some operations. There could be one danger, however. The scene could steal the show if done properly.

That's enough Sunday "pipe dreams" from me. Let's see those frames come rolling in.
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, November 6, 2005 8:10 AM
SUNDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Mornin’ All!

Info for the Day:

(1) Today is SUNDAY PHOTO POSTING DAY! and of course the bar is CLOSED.

(2) Friday, November 11th is Veteran’s Day (U.S.) and Remembrance Day (Canada & Great Britain). In recognition of all those who have served or are serving, let’s do something special on that day at ”Our” Place.

Find something to Post that is reflective of either of the World Wars that has some connection to the railroads, the war effort or both. Advertisements abound from those times, so it shouldn’t be too difficult.

With a week to prepare, my hope is that we’ll get good participation! [tup][tup][tup]




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SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 06:26:03 (155) Saturday’s Info & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 10:42:35 (155)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 12:28:18 (155) ENCORE! WP

(4) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 12:56:12 (155) Inclusive Post!

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 13:06:28 (155)

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 13:22:33 (155) Encore, Classic Juice #3 MS&C

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 15:35: (155) reply to Theodorebear & trolleyboy

(8) pwolfe Pete Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 16:21:10 (155) Inclusive Post!

(9) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 16:25:50 (155) PGE/BC Raiil

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 17:13:16 (156) reply to pwolfe & Theodorebear

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, November 6, 2005 9:10 AM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here are some Pix from an album I created for Chris taken at The Canadian Railway Museum at Delson/Saint-Constant, Quebec, Canada:

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Enjoy!

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 6, 2005 10:19 AM
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, November 6, 2005 2:46 PM
Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here are some Pix you may have seen before of the N-scale layout on display in KCity’s Union Station in September.

Click to enlarge!

















That’s it – Enjoy!

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Posted by bjdukert on Sunday, November 6, 2005 3:20 PM
Afternoon

QUOTE: A loss of a friend is indeed a difficult thing to handle. For as long as you two knew one another and enjoyed the relationship, I offer: Friendship doesn't end with death - you will always have those memories - and pictures. Be ever more thankful that you and Jack shared some time on this Earth.

Tom
Thank you very much for the kind words Tom and yes the memories will always be there. The other thing I didn’t realize was how many pictures I do have with him as I was going through them about a week ago to post some in the CS and they will always be with me. I wanted to post this in Our Place as I thought you would see it here first and again Thanks.

Duke

How about if I leave this tacked to the front as I didn’t know you were closed on Sunday.

"Don't take a wooden nickel,because it isn't worth a dime" by my Dad

"There are only 3 things you need out of life:A gentle grade,the wind in your face,and cinders in your hair.....But keep an eye on the water glass!" Jack Evans

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, November 6, 2005 5:54 PM
Evenin’,

Just checkin’ out the place for tomorrow and saw the Posts that were dropped through the mail slot, along with the pix from barndad Doug.

The boyz and I just returned from our Sunday afternoon up at Can-Am Gorge and this was the first time Boris had his pet Armadillo, Tex with him. Between Leon, Boris and the Armadillo things were a bit “interesting” to say the least. Phew ……. How in the world did I ever get involved with these characters [?][swg]

barndad Doug Posted: 06 Nov 2005, 07:03:41 and 10:19:45

Appreciate the narratives you provided along with the Pix. Some good “stuff,” indeed.

Is that MN&S a U-boat? Sure looks like it. Also, the SR heavyweight is a great looking car. Didn’t know that they had that color scheme back in those times.

Don’t be concerned about the RDC pix – there will be other Sundays! Appreciate the thought – isn’t it “The thought that counts” [?] [tup]

As busy as you’ve been, it’s nice to know you’ve been able to keep up with the conversations goin’ on ‘round here. We may be down in numbers, but the quality of Posts has never been better.

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Nov 2005, 07:11:18

You ARE the Manager ‘round here and have the keys – why not just slide in and enjoy the place [?] I’ve had more than my share of wakin’ up early – it’s a way of life for me. Reveille is at 5:10 AM, and most times I’m awake well before that …….

Interesting thoughts you posit regarding the “look alike” subway cars. I like the way you worked your way through your thoughts to come up with your conclusion. [tup] Ever think that RDCs also fall into the same category, but somehow there IS a place for ‘em on many pikes [?] [swg]

Ordered my first subway set today and it is to ship tomorrow, so I’m on the way!

For me, there’s absolutely NOTHING that can rival a matched consist of passenger cars with head end motive power in equally matched livery. Ummmmmmmm Um – looks great! [tup] I have two VIA Rail Budd stainless sets, powered by F40PH locos, one VIA Rail smoothsides blue & yellow livery, powered by EMD E8 A/A units, two Amtrak Superliner consists (Phase III and IV), powered by AMD103’s and two Amtrak “Horizon” {Phase III) and “Amfleet” (Phase I, II, III) sets, [powered by F40PH locos. I get just as much enjoyment looking at them at their platforms in Union Station as I do watching ‘em make the journey round the Can-Am. A great hobby, isn’t it [?]

bjdukert Duke 06 Nov 2005, 15:20:18

Saw your note tacked to the door! Nice of you to take the time to share your thoughts …… [tup]

Okay – I’ll see y’all in the ‘morrow!

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Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, November 6, 2005 9:31 PM
Good evening I know we are closed on Sunday but my guests just departed and I wanted to get back to my RDC reminising from the other day when they arrived.
Another intersting RDC trip was on CP Rail when they were operating between Calgary and Edmonton just before VIA Rail Canada. The Consist was an RDC 2 and an RDC 1 and the interesting feature was they operated with borrowed Stewardesses from CP Air to see if this would attract more riders. The stewardess pushed a drink car down the aisle of the two cars and served drinks just like they had on the planes. They only served snacks as well as the drinks as the RDC's operated during non-meal hours. I don't know if they were successful or not for Via Rail took over the service shortly after I rode these RDC's.
RDC trips I wish I had ridden would include the Northwestern Pacific to Eureka on the lone SP RDC.
The AT&SF pair of RDC when they operated between Albuquerque and El Paso.
I don't know whether it was my imagination playing tricks with me or not but I seem to recall a rather unique swaying motion the RDC's had compared to regular trains and i was always able to sleep easily on the cars. Of course being a truckdriver for many years it has been said I could sleep standing up in a line waiting for dispatchers to get off the phone with other drivers.
When I get a chance I will try and catch up on some of the other postings you have had the last few days but I still have to get ready for finals in another week and a half.
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 7, 2005 5:24 AM
MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

G’day All!

Info for the Day:

(1) Wednesday is Pike Perspectives Day! A good time for those engaged in the model railroading hobby (or any other aspect of railroading for pleasure) to discuss and Post what they are doing, have done, or plan to do. [tup]

(2) Thursday is Fish ‘n Chips Nite!. [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM. [tup]

(3) Friday is Pizza Nite! along with Steak ‘n Fries Nite! [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM. [tup]

(4) Friday, November 11th is Veteran’s Day (U.S.) and Remembrance Day (Canada & Great Britain). In recognition of all those who have served or are serving, let’s do something special on that day at ”Our” Place.

Find something to Post that is reflective of either of the World Wars that has some connection to the railroads, the war effort or both. Advertisements abound from those times, so it shouldn’t be too difficult.

With ample time to prepare, my hope is that we’ll get good participation! [tup][tup][tup]




INDEX Mondays only!
Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).

Fallen Flags (passenger ops)

106/150 SP……. 106/150 MoPac . 108/155 WP …… 109 Frisco
112 CNR ………. 112 Heralds …… 114 ACL ………… 115 SAL
116 D&RGW ….. 118 RI .………… 119 D&H ………… 120/144 PRR
122/144 NYC …. 124 UP.………… 125 AT&SF …….. 127 B&O
128 CM&StP.…. 129 CB&Q ..……. 130 Soo Line ...... 133 C&NW
134 SP&S …….. 136 GN ………… 139 B&M ..……… 140 NYNH&H; NH
141 MEC ……… 142 BAR .………. 145 NP …………. 146 L&N
147 Wabash ….. 148 C&O ………. 148 KCS ……….. 151 N&W
152 Erie ..……… 152 IC ………….. 154 NPR .………. 155 SR

Passenger Train Nostalgia

110 ……… MKT Combined Fallen Flag and Ads
112 ……… CNR Ad - Super Continental Time Table
113/144 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 ”Start ups” 1800s & early 1900s
117/144 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 Ad - Vista-Dome sleeper obs-lounge
121 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #3 Ad - CP Hotels & Lodges
124 ………. A tale of Classic Trains BC Rail RDC trip
127 ………. B&O Ad - Strata-Dome
127 ………. B&O Ad – Diesel Electric Trains
129 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #4 Ad - CN Hotels, Ltd.
130 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #1 Poster - East Coast Route
133 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #5 Poster - CP 1886
133 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #6 Poster - CP 1950s
134 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #7 Poster - Washington & Old Dominion Railway
134 ………. Personal RR journey CPR’s “The Canadian”
135 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #2 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #3 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #8 Ad – Great Northern
139 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #9 Ads – Great Northern
140 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #10 Ad – Union Pacific
141 ………. Nostalgia 1956 Hotel Ads
142 ………. Nostalgia Fairbanks-Morse motive power Ad
143 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #11 Ad - PRR – The Jeffersonian
145 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #12 Ad – NP
146 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #13 Ad – L&N
146 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #4 Poster - Silver Jubilee
147 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #14 Ad – Budd & Wabash
148 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #15 Ad – C&O
149 ………. HERTZ Ad
151 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #16 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #17 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. North American Steam Loco Wheel Arrangements
154 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #18 Ad – Budd RDC (1953)
155 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #19 Ad – Budd RDC (1954)

Classic Juice by trolleyboy ROB

116 Classic Juice #1 (The London & Port Stanley L&PS)
123 Classic Juice #2 (The Niagara St. Chatharines Toronto Railway NS&T)
131/155 Classic Juice #3 (The Montreal & Southern Counties Railway –MS&C)
134 Classic Juice #4 (The Brantford and Hamilton B&H)
142 Classic Juice #5 (The Berlin & Water Street Railway - B&WSR)
146 Classic Juice #6 (The Nearside Car)
148 Classic Juice #7 (The Peter Witt Story)

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 06 Nov 2005, 07:03:41 (156) Inclusive Post! and Pix

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 06 Nov 2005, 07:11:18 (156)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Nov 2005, 08:10:04 (156) Sunday’s Info & Summary

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Nov 2005, 09:10:50 (156) Pix from Chris’ album

(5) barndad Doug Posted: 06 Nov 2005, 10:19:45 (156) Pix

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Nov 2005, 14:46:36 (156) Pix – N-scale layout

(7) bjdukert Duke Posted: 06 Nov 2005, 15:20:18 (156) Thank you

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 06 Nov 2005, 17:54:55 (156) reply to barndad – Theodorebear – bjdukert

(9) passengerfan Al Posted: 06 Nov 2005, 21:31:33 (156) RDCs

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 7, 2005 5:25 AM
Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago Great Western Railway (CGW)

Headquarters: Chicago (moved to Kansas City)

Mileage in 1950: 1,458

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 141

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars; 4,490
Passenger cars: 33

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Olewein, IA-Omaha, NE
Oelwein-Minneapolis
Oelwein-DesMoines, IA-St. Joseph, MO-Kansas City, MO
Clarion, IA-Mason City, IA-Austin, MN-Hayfield, MN
Osage, IA-Rochester, MN-Red Wing, MN
Red Wing-Mankato, MN
Simpson-Winona, MN

Passenger trains of note:

Blue Bird (Twin Cities-Rochester)
Great Western Limited (Chicago-Twin Cities)
Rochester Special (Twin Cities-Rochester)
Red Bird (Twin Cities-Rochester)
Legionnaire (Chicago-Twin Cities)
Minnesotan (Chicago-Twin Cities)
Mills Cities Limited (Kansas City-Twin Cities)
Nebraska Limited (Twin Cities-Omaha
Twin Cities Limited (Omaha-Twin Cities)


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 7, 2005 7:33 AM
Mornin' Gents!

I just received a notice from RailImages.com informing me that they are going to be shutting down the service (pix storage & posting) some time this week as they are installing newer equipment. For all who store pix on that site, they will not be available. This will impact my Posts as well and I am going to place as many as possible over on PhotoBucket.com until RailImages comes back on line. Any of you who have accounts should have received your RailImages notice.

Well, yesterday was perhaps the lightest Sunday Photo Posting Day! that we've had since it began several weeks ago. Only barndad Doug and I particpated. My plans [?] No changes, we'll keep Sunday open for Pix, with the bar CLOSED. I don't expect lots of "narratives" on Sunday, that's what the rest of the week is for. [tup]

One acknowledgement:

passengerfan Al Posted: 06 Nov 2005, 21:31:33

That run between Calgary and Edmonton has been discussed, several times, for institution of a light-rail connection. I would think that modern DMUs from the RDC lineage would be far better. For a trip like that (177 miles/285 km), comfort surely would of prime importance and consideration.

Yes, RDCs were absolutely perfect for the runs you described and it is indeed puzzling why we cannot reinstitute rail connections between our metropolitan areas by more modern technology. High speed rail is fine - but I'm thinking MAGLEV. After all, we are in the 21st century. All the talk of the Northeast Corridor in the U.S. and the Corridor in Canada - can you imagine having the most modern equipment on the line for those routes [?] Ahhhhh, yes, dream on.

You know if Congress and the President goes for it, organizations like H&R Block may be on the outside lookin' in concerning tax preparation "services." Sorry, but anything and everything that can be done to make the taxation less intrusive and easier to file is what we should be pressing for.

Catch ya later!

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Posted by coalminer3 on Monday, November 7, 2005 8:15 AM
Good Morning All: Coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Rough weekend off to our west; a coworker from that part of the world said that several of her relatives lost their homes, but thankfully, no injuries or fatalities in her family.

Enjoyed reading through the posts. The MN&S locomotive is a true "beast." It looks like it was running (at least from the pictures). Does it still have its original power plant. My exposure to Baldwins was mostly samller ones on the Lehigh Valley; truly a unique sound. They'd pull anything you could put behind them.

I enjoyed the response to the Boston subway story about "picking a PCC." BTW, the maps in the MBTA stations are often out of date; again something done to confuse the tourists, I guess. The station that is currently called "Downtown Crossing" used to be Washington St. All of the big department stores were located there and it was a transfer point as well to what is now called the "Orange Line." Anyway (and this is the God's truth) there was a set of signs that read as follows. "This Way Out." Follow along and you came to a second sign which said "This Way Out." Follow along and you came to a third sign posted on a bricked up doorway. The sign said "This Is Not the Way Out." Sort of a metaphor for life.

I trust it will be O.K. to post wartime material a little ahead of schedule as I'll be offline on Friday. Do true stories count as well?

work safe

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 7, 2005 8:26 AM
Mornin' early people, Tom, think I'll go with a "eye opener" this a.m. I got into a pretty good discussion last night that ran later than it shoul have.[:O] Sooo, maybe a "Stoli" Vodka, V-8 and hold the garbage please. That'll "kill me or cure me!" Some nice pix yesterday, especially the N gauge layout at KCity Union Station. Seeing the background balconies and main entrances of the building takes me "way, way back." The last time I was there was on X-mas leave 1964. I changed Santa Fe trains there enroute from Chicago to Tulsa, OK. The El Capitan "high level" cars were on the first leg and Budd stainless on the last. I never failed to meet nice folks on those lengthy rail treks. I suppose the uniform served as a "ice breaker" too.

Later in the 1970's, when people had their "fill" of the prolonged Viet Nam War, I began driving my 1965 Dodge Polara instead. There was a lot of resentment against the war then and thoughtless people made it known through "icey stares" and the proverbial "cold shoulder" toward uniformed service people. I really didn't need 2-1/2 days of rude behavior from unkempt, surly "dirt bags" in a confined space and, of course, driving (via I-State) was much faster and a lot cheaper. Even though I knew where and why this misplaced animosity was coming from, I must be honest and say it really irked me.[V] Sorry, I'm [#offtopic] again.[#oops]

Oh yes Tom, there are many who would point out the "vanilla" aspects of some rolling stock, i.e. subway cars, R.D.C.'s and the like. I don't happen to be one of that number. For me, if its on rails, I'm in the game.[^] Passengerfan Al mentioned a distictive "feel" of the ride peculiar to the R.D.C. and I agree. For lack of a better word, I refer to the motion as a "gliding" effect. It is a much lighter unit than the heavier Budd cars and a feather weight compared to ealier standard cars. I can tell you that my ride from Baltimore to Wash. D.C. in the cab of a B & O RDC-3 was purely a pleasure.[tup] The engineer let me operate the air chime at grade X-ings until we neared the yard limit in D.C.[tup] It was at night and there were only a couple of other "regular" passengers on the train (single unit). Some things you never forget and that is one of them.

Okay Boris, you didn't need to bring the [soapbox] out.[alien] I can take a hint, see you's gents later.

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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, November 7, 2005 10:58 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Guess I'll have a coffee and one of the diet pastries from Mentor Bakery.
Just had to answer the CGW fallen Flag.
Somethings one never forgets and my one and only ride on the CGW Mills Cities was one of those. I was only four at the time but I remember we had traveled all night from St. Paul on this miserable excuse for a train my motrher my tyounger brother and I were on our way to rejoin my dad in Missouri. We had traveled from Vancouver Canada on the Great Northern including the brand new streamlined Empire Builder from Everett to St. Paul. in February 1947.
The Mill Cities was an old heavyweight train as wwe were approching the station at our final destination my mother with my brother in her arms suffered a terrible fall when the slack went out and the sudden jerk caused her to fall. So we arrived in St. Joe with my mother going immediatly to the hospital and not released for about two weeks. Here was my brother and I meeting my dads side of the family for the first time and we were strangers to them. But being midwesterners my brother and my worst fears were soon put at ease by our new aunts Uncles cousins and grandmother. We never rode the CGW again after that one experience and made yearly trips to the Northwest via the CB&Q, CRI&P, and GN to vist my mothers familys for a couple years until we relocated to Seattle. Then it was once a year trips to the relatives in Missouri but never again did we ride CGW rails. I guess today if something like that had happened their would have been a lawsuit. But as I recall the CGW picked up the hospital bill and that was that.
The train we rode after that was the CRI&P Twin Star Rocket and then the local CB&Q train between Kansas City and St. Joe.
Have to get back to the books for now.
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 7, 2005 12:05 PM
G’day Gents!

A bit windy, warm and cloudy here in mid-Continent USA. Gas at “Collusion Corner” was at $2.20 (rounded) and expected to continue downward – at least until someone sneezes at OPEC, Venezuela, Mexico, the North Sea, etc. [swg]

I see we’ve had a bit of activity this AM at the bar, so some acknowledgements are in order:

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 07 Nov 2005, 08:15:01

Regarding the Veteran’s/Remembrance Day Posts – absolutely, true stories surely are appropriate. Also, if you can, Post on Thursday if your plans will have you away from the Ether on Friday. [tup]

I’d appreciate some help – the Fallen Flag for the day was posted at 5:25 AM. Your Post was about 3 hours later. Just curious, when you logged on, did you see it [?] This is not intended to the chastisement so much as I really want to know since it appears that my efforts to get the “word” out early isn’t reaching the intended audience. If not, then I’ll have to figure out some other way. Feedback really helps.

The only way I know of getting to the most current information is to log on – go immediately to “Active Topics” and then call up the Posts for a period of time – I recommend “last 12 hours.” It works for me. Also the use of the “Refresh” button BEFORE one Posts will bring up most current “stuff” too.

For what it’s worth, I’ve encountered those “This is not the way out,” signs in my comin’s and goin’s. In Maine it would be more like, “Ya can’t get there, from heah!” [swg]

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 07 Nov 2005, 08:26:34

That era you referred to was the tail end of the most difficult in my experiences with our civilian not-so-civil population. I’ve already chronicled my self-defense involving a dirt-bag, pimpled face, “H – no, I won’t go” creep in Manhattan. I hope that his nose never healed. The stares from the less than adoring public didn’t bother me as much as the comments made loud enough for all to hear. Those were not good times for the guys in uniform. Seems like there’s another effort underway to get this crap started again – but you know what [?] We’re not making them “go.” [swg]

The N-scale layout is only second to the one I saw out in San Diego’s Balboa Park. That layout has to be the largest anywhere for the scale. I don’t have a “thing” for N per se, but appreciate detail and workmanship when I see it. I wish I had taken more shots out in KCity, but the ones Posted seemed to have done the trick here and over at the CS. Got lots of favorable comments there too. Somethin’ about trains ……. [tup]

passengerfan Al Posted: 07 Nov 2005, 10:58:08

Sure glad someone has picked up on the CGW this fine day! Appreciate the comments, as always. [tup] Walkin’ definitely could be hazardous to one’s health aboard a train – today, yesterday and most probably tomorrow. Never can take anything for granted while within a moving vehicle of any type. You being a former Navy man and accomplished rail traveler know all about what I’m sayin’. [swg]

Regarding law suits, then and now. There’s no question that today it would be a “given” to go the litigation route. The times were far different, people were too and so was the “common sense” factor in and out of the court system.

Okay – gotta get about the rest of this day. Watch for the NOSTALGIA piece comin’ up soon! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 7, 2005 1:30 PM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #20

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.


Did you hear what the Cowboy said about the “Golden State”?

”WHAT A RIDE FER DUDES! SHE’S THE SMOOTHEST AND PURTIEST THING ON WHEELS FROM CHICAGO TO ARIZONA OR CALIFORNIA! ANOTHER OF SP’S WONDERFUL WAYS WEST!”

We think, you’ll enjoy our ”Golden State,” especially if you’re an experienced traveler. We have many friends who repeat, winter after winter, “chasing the sun Southwest” on this smooth, extra-fare S.P. & Rock Island streamliner. It’s convenient. Takes you via El Paso and Southern Arizona’s winter resorts to Palm Springs & Los Angeles.

She’s been re-streamlined, too, from stem to stern. We’ve issued a folder to celebrate the event and would like to send it to you. Helps you choose your accommodations, whether Pullman (Drawing rooms, Compartments, Bedrooms, Roomettes) or Chair Car (economical; Coffee Shop).

By the way, the ”Golden State” is extra fast, too – 44 ¼ pleasant hours, Chicago-Los Angeles or vice versa. Fine connecting streamliners. Perhaps you’d like to try another great S.P. route, going home. That way you see twice as much, usually for no extra rail fare. The little map shows how.

Why don’t you plan on the ”Golden State” for this winter or next summer? And meantime, let us send you that folder?

”GOLDEN STATE,” Chicago-Los Angeles, via El Paso, Douglas, Bisbee, Tucson, Phoenix, Palm Springs, 44 ¼ hours. Through Pullmans, Minneapolis and St. Louis to Los Angeles. Through Chair car, Minneapolis-Los Angeles. Connecting service to San Diego.

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Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by gbrewer on Monday, November 7, 2005 2:10 PM
I remember the Chicago Great Western well.

Our house had, when I was a boy, a very fine view of the Chicago Great Western tracks. From the paired dinning room windows, I could see south across four vacant lots and Great Western Boulevard to the right-of-way where long, steam hauled, freight trains ran.

Railroads were the dominant means of transportation at the time. Not only were they the major providers of passenger and freight transportation, but mail and express arrived regularly by train in Villa Park as well as in most large cities and small towns throughout America. Even the newspapers came by train; I remember seeing the motorman on the CA&E tossing off bundles of the evening Daily News at the Ardmore station. The Interstate highway system wasn’t begun until over a decade later, and airlines were still in their infancy. Rail traffic, freight and passenger, reached unprecedented levels during the war years. There were massive movements of military goods and personnel, and because of gasoline and tire rationing, much traffic, previously lost to the highways, returned to the rails. Demand on railroad personnel and equipment was tremendous. During and for awhile after World War II there were many trains loaded with army goods: I remember seeing big guns, tanks, half-tracks and jeeps.

I was still quite young when the war ended, but business on the CGW continued at a high rate. I remember solid trains of refrigerator cars, yellow ones marked Armor and red ones marked Swift. There were also trains of black tank cars. The CGW carried truck trailers on flat cars. They were an innovator of this service.

Not long after the war, the Great Western quickly dieselized. They were the first railroad of my acquaintance to do so. Typically using six General Motors F units, trains became even longer: frequently well over 100 cars. Soon I started seeing the big steam engines, scattered mid-train behind the diesels, being hauled dead to the scrap yards of Chicago. That was about 1948. I never got over the sense of loss I felt; I have been a devoted steam fan ever since.

There were two passenger trains a day in each direction. The one I remember seeing most was a gas-electric powered car with RPO.

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