"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Guys!

Pete A great story and very appropriate for the occasion for sure! [tup][tup][tup]

The Characters in the pix can be anyone you wish! That's the idea of this "contest" - really no particular answer! [yeah] [wow] [swg]



I haven't received my Winter issue of Classic Trains yet, but will surely look for that RDC! Thanx ...... [tup]

Appreciate your stoppin' by and have one on me!

Russell Received your Email and responded .... thanx! [tup] Been a rather slow night 'round here as far as Trick or Treaters are concerned - the rains of the day and night have surely put the damper on this day for kids! [tdn]

Appreciate the round AND the pix! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Wait, wait - oh, well he's outta here!

Okay Manager Ted nice bit you pulled off. Arrived late - departed - dropped in to say goodbye and YOU think you've had it tough! <geesh> Seems that I've been defacto host by virtue of my barkeep responsibilities. Good thing Boris now has Leon to "play" with, otherwise I'd have him shipped to sunny FLA to bunk with "youse." By the by, a friend of mine may want to visit as well. You remember Vito the Hit! doncha [?]

I think you've done a credible job with putting some identities to the Characters in the "train." So let's see - The Proprietor in the loco - three of our gals, Ruth - Lucy and Jemima in the first car - Boris in the green outfit in the 2nd car and Ann back in the 3rd car. Hmmmmmm. [yeah] Why not![?] Good job, Ted with some help from Pete!!

The one thing we don't know is just how old is Boris[?][?][?] I think only Nick knows the answer, and who knows what's goin' on with him these DAZE!![?]

That was a stroke of creativity on CM3's part to come up with the Erie input ... I just happened to have the Fallen Flag in my "pending" file .... so it just was a natural response. Glad he thought of it, because it simply never occured to me .......Eeeeeeerie, isn't it [?] [swg]

Catch y'all later ........

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening gentlemen. I've arrived later than I expected. Happy blated Boris. BTW I've left your gift outside your shed. An armadillo house and a length of chain to walk him with.

Tom I figured that it was boris on the front of the train with Ruthy in his hand the other three girls stiring a dirve by poster in the second car. I figured that Leon was wearing the pumpkin and Ted and I were riding the tail end car.

Loved todays two installments of fallen flags. Loved Eries early paint job ( before the Lakawanna merger ) Like Ted i've never had much experience with the N&W ither than seeing still shots of High hood diesels dragging long chains of hopppers.

Neet Budd ad as well. makes me want to run out and order one [tup] Interesting how the car manufactirers had to take out magazine adds to entice the railway barons. Streetcar manufacturers did the same though.

Pete Wonderfully appropriate story thank's for sharing.[tup]

CM3 Loved your train consist follow up. Truly wonderful bit 'o' research. [tup]. Toronto has three cars in their classic collection. Two PCC's and one small Witt 2766. They will charter out the cars to groups, and once in a while in the summer they will run all three in regular service on the harbour front line. Our museum's mechanical department helps them keep the Witt running. It recieved an entire new underframe two years ago as the rear truck bolster was comming up through the floor. The car is now essentially brand new. We figure it should last another 80 years !!!


Russel Nice costume.[:O] Did you don this to scare off the kids[?] More left over treats for you that way I suppose. [swg]. Yes that Michigan Central depot is immence. I'm glad that it's being retained for new usages. Most of the St Thomas rail facilities are gone. At one point it was a very major rail hub. Both CN and CP, the NYC/MC combo, Pere Marquette ( later C&O ) and the electrified L&PS all served this small city.


Dave welcome back to the land of the living er "undead" [swg][xx(]


Well folks i've much work related paper work to catch up on so i'm away for now.

Rob

[Anonymous]

Good morning all, Tom, I got here early to get the place back in order. Just a wisk broom and dust pan did nicely. Ahh, a cup of green tea and a couple of crumpets should sate my breakfast apetite this Tuesday a.m. Pete, CM3, Rob, Russell, Dave and, of course the Boss, surely appreciate your participation, thanks.[^] Oh, CM3 yes, those "Cookers" can be dangerous allright.[:O] As to the Wednesday model rring feature, to my knowledge, "nostalgia" is always wecomed at "Our" Place. If not, I'm sure we will hear of it presently.

BTW, Tom, what is this "arrived late" nonesnse? Check out page 151, wherest I "checked in" quite early. The "hasty retreat" is logged in a 8:15 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, a full hour and 15 minutes after the appointed closing at 7:00 p.m."Easter Standard Time!" At the top of page 152, it occured to me I was "whipping a dead horse.!"[xx(] So what do you want, "blood from a turnip?"[banghead]

I need to get a early start on the HO today so, by your leave, I'll continue with my efforts along more rewarding endeavors.[tup] So long, till then.[:D]

[siberianmo]

TUESDAY’S INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

G’day Guys! What a rainy day yesterday was, sure put a damper on the night’s activities for the “Trick or Treaters.” Well, we’ve got all kinds of treats in The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case, along with lots of hot, freshly brewed coffee and of course the <light> breakfasts listed on the Menu Board. So, what’s stoppin’ ya [?]

Info for the Day:

(1) The Selection Committee for the Order of the Stools will release the results of their October tomorrow. Watch for it!

(2) Wednesday’s are for those engaged in the model railroad hobby, along with any other aspect of railroading that falls into the hobby category to showcase what you have done, are doing or are planning to do. That just about covers it, eh [?] We’re really lookin’ for track diagrams, but if all else fails, an overall photo (pix) of one’s layout will be fine. Just save the photo spread for our Sunday Photo Posting Day!. We call Wednesday, Pike Perspectives Day!

(3) Thursday’s are for our Fish ‘n Chips Nite. We haven’t had a Nick’s Picks [C=:-)] in so long, I’m going to hold back on advertising that ‘til we hear from the “man” [C=:-)] himself! Dinner begins at 5 PM!

(4) Friday’s are for our Pizza Nite along with Steak ‘n Fries. [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM!

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 05:40:08 (151) Monday’s Info, INDEX & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 05:41:54 (151) Fallen Flag – N&W

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 05:57:23 (151) Acknowledgments for Sunday

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 07:57:33 (151) The Crescent, etc.

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 08:08:37 (151) Inclusive Post!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 08:33:51 (151) reply to coalminer3 & Theodorebear, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 11:35:59 (151) NOSTALGIA #16 – Budd RDC

(8) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 12:46:49 (151) Boo!, etc.

(9) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 13:15:28 (152) Party!, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 13:46:29 (152) Party!

(11) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 14:59:03 (152) Erie RR, etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 15:21:22 (152) Fallen Flag – Erie

(13) West Coast S Dave Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 16:18:33 (152) He’s baaaaaaaaaaack!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 17:57:32 (152) reply to coalminer 3 & West Coast S, etc.

(15) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 18:08:02 (152) Boo! again

(16) pwolfe Pete Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 18:35:51 (152) Party Story!, etc.

(17) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 19:14:52 (152) Party!, etc.

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 19:22:39 (152) reply to pwolfe, etc.

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 19:34:35 (152) reply to Theodorebear

(20) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 22:22:19 (152) Inclusive Post!

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Illinois Central (IC)

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage:

1950: 4,779
1995: 2,732 (including rights)

Locomotives in 1963

Diesels: 629

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 49,226
Passenger cars: 857

Principal routes:

Chicago-New Orleans via Mattoon & Carbondale, IL, & Grenada, MS
Memphis-New Orleans via Vicksburg, MS & Baton Rouge, LA
Memphis-Jackson, MS via Greenwood, MS
Fulton, KY-Birmingham, AL
Freeport-Centralia, IL via Clinton & Vandalia
Chicago-Omaha, NE
Tara (Fort Dodge)-Sioux City, IA
Cherokee, IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Manchester-Cedar Rapids, IA
Waterloo, IA-Albert Lea, MN
Centralia, IL-Madison, WI
Gilman, IL-St. Louis
St. Louis-Du Quoin, IL
Edgewood, IL-Fulton, KY
Fulton-Louisville, KY via Paducah
Effingham, IL-Indianapolis, IN
Mattoon-Peoria, IL via Decatur
Jackson-Gulfport, MS
Meridian, MS-Shreveport, LA

Passenger trains of note:

Chickasaw (Memphis-St. Louis & Chicago)
City of Miami (Chicago & St. Louis-Miami & St. Petersburg, FL; joint with CG, ACL and FEC)
City of New Orleans (Chicago & St. Louis & Louisville-New Orleans)
Daylight (Chicago-St. Louis
Delta Express (Memphis-Vicksburg, MS)
Green Diamond (Chicago-St. Louis)
Hawkeye (Chicago-Sioux City
Iowan (Chicago-Sioux City)
Irvin S. Cobb (Louisville-New Orleans)
Kentucky Cardinal (Louisville-Memphis)
Land O’ Corn (Chicago-Waterloo, IA)
Louisiane (Chicago & St. Louis-New Orleans)
Magnolia Star (Chicago-New Orleans)
Mid-American (Chicago-Memphis)
Night Diamond (Chicago-St. Louis)
Panama Limited (Chicago & St. Louis-New Orleans)
Planter (Louisville-Memphis)
Seminole (Chicago-Jacksonville, FLA via Birmingham & Columbus, GA)
Southwestern Limited & Northeastern Limited (Meridian-Shreveport)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Fergmiester]

Good Morning all

Just a quickie as I'm rolling through.

Tom thought you might be interested in my sighting of the new Renaissance Cars that were in the station in Halifax yesterday! As I know how impressed you are with them. The amusing part of it was the engines were still the FP40's and in the rear was a good old-fashioned observation car.

I saw your Fallen Flags list. I'll have to get some specs for you as I can think of three local ones off the top of my head.

Sydney and Louisburg
Atlantic Dominion
Inter-Colonial RR

Later everyone

Fergie

[siberianmo]

Mornin’ Gents!

Let me get right to the acknowledgments before events of the day begin to unfold:

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 22:22:19

Regarding the advertisements of “the day,” consider that some of them were well before the advent of nationwide TV. Magazines and newspapers were really “it” insofar as getting the written word out. I’ve noticed in my research that the later the decades, the fewer and fewer magazine ads are to be found. For example, there are all kinds of RR ads during WWII, but I haven’t found one for the Korean, Vietnam or Gulf wars. There very well may be some, but not in the resources I’m using.

You win (also!) Your breakdown of the Characters aboard the Halloween Train “work” too! [tup] [swg]

Looks like Boris and Tex have made it through the night! Your gift was very appropriate and already in use …… [tup]

Theodorebear Ted Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 04:54:10

Given the reduced numbers at the bar lately, yesterday’s event was well attended. Pete surely came up with the “best in show,” and Russell “dressed up” for the occasion! CM3 gets recognition for the most innovative use of RR names, Erie! You, Sir, may want to take a trip upstairs, dip your hand into the tub o’ cash, and draw out your “overtime” pay. [swg] Me [?] Heck, just goes with the territory – I’m ALWAYS here. <grin>

Looks like some sensitivities have been tweaked! No attendance records being maintained ‘round here. Banter is all part of the game. Guess I’ve been told, eh[?] Enjoy your hobby! [tup]

Fergmiester Fergie Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 06:36:45

Hi Fergie! Nice seein’ ya over here. [yeah] Those VIA Rail “Renaissance” cars surely should have something other than F40PH’s at the head end. Also, the idea of the Budd observation domes (Park Cars) at the end is supposed to “entice” the tourist crowd. I expect they will be taken off the line very shortly – was supposed to be between May and the end of October.

Anything you wi***o contribute ‘round here will be greatly appreciated! Always lookin’ for somethin’ new and different!


So, whatillyahave [?]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Morning All: Coffee, please; round for the house and $for the jukebox. Emmylou Harris this a.m. She'll be in Charleston soon. Lovely fall day today; a little frost, and gas is $2.39/gal.

I went to the Post Office this a.m. and the box was full of catalogs which sne me to the noteboosk. Hope it ties in with model rr Wednesday.

The catalogs come in November, just as they have for years. The catalogs are books that deserve serious study. The catalogs mean that Christmas is coming. The Lionel catalog is the one that gets the most attention. Its glossy pages contain enough railroad-related material to satisfy Commodore Vanderbilt and all of his vest-wearing, watch chained, cigar-smoking lackeys.

Look, here’s a Pennsylvania Railroad steam turbine. On the next page is a Tuscan red GG1 electric with a set of Pennsy passenger cars. My father tells me that they look just like the ones he rides to Washington. I want to go to Washington, too, and see the “Congressional Limited” as it passes along the tidal basin by the cherry blossoms – at least it does in the catalog.

Here’s a GP7 in red, black, and silver from the Burlington Route set against a generic picture of the heartland. Turn the page and there’s some EMD switchers decorated for the Seaboard Air Line and for the Central Railroad of New Jersey. My, what we could do with a set of those. Then there are lovely F units in Santa Fe red and silver war bonnet paint and on the next page a pair of Fs for the New York Central. You can get freight or passenger sets with these.

Right after that is a monstrous FM Trainmaster lettered for the fearsome, far away, Virginian.

Toward the back of the book is page after page of freight cars of all types. Then there are pages of passenger cars. The very back has track, accessories, and transformers big enough to power a small city. It’s pretty simple: we want it all. And why not? Christmas is, after all, a time of renewed hope and possibility.

IIRC, we haven't heard too much from the Burlington. In 1930, the CB&Q celebrated their 80th Anniversary. Part of this activity was reequipping three trains: the Aristocrat (Chicago-Denver), the Blackhawk (Chicago-Minneapolis), and the Ak-Sar-Ben (Chicago-Lincoln).

Here's the ad copy for the Blackhawk. Again, style, style, style.......

The New Blackhawk – One of the Anniversary Fleet

Smoothly over a grade leveled by the mighty Mississippi goes the Blackhawk in superb new splendor. A felicitous service already known to travelers between Chicago, St. Paul and Minneapolis, today has a background of new and exquisite beauty. Designer and decorator have collaborated to realize a harmony of masculine comfort and feminine gracefulness never before achieved in transportation. Low, rakish Pullman seats complements with personal reading lamps and winged head-rests, generous, ceiling high partitions, deep pile, smartly modern rugs…window panes cushioned in rubber… ventilators adjustable by a mere touch…over-sized dressing rooms…cushion-spring mattresses in berths as restful as sleep itself.

Next behind the diner is the unique salon car, which has the comforts and atmosphere of a smart club; in the same car there are single rooms with stationary beds in addition to compartments and drawing rooms available in any combination desired.

On the rear of the train is the Blackhawk lounge…its full length dedicated to complacent comfort. Magazines to read, card nooks, restful chairs, inviting divans, a***rays aplenty, tonight’s newspapers when you board the train…tomorrow’s when you arise; a special room – and a charming one – for the ladies; a radio, buffet service evening and morning; terminal telephones – a rolling club, no less.

I don't know about you, but I'm ready to go buy a ticket.

work safe

[siberianmo]

The City of New Orleans
by Steve Goodman

Riding on the City of New Orleans,
Illinois Central Monday morning rail
Fifteen cars and fifteen restless riders,
Three conductors and twenty-five sacks of mail.
All along the southbound odyssey
The train pulls out at Kankakee
Rolls along past houses, farms and fields.
Passin' trains that have no names,
Freight yards full of old black men
And the graveyards of the rusted automobiles.

CHORUS:
Good morning America how are you?
Don't you know me I'm your native son,
I'm the train they call The City of New Orleans,
I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.

Dealin' card games with the old men in the club car.
Penny a point ain't no one keepin' score.
Pass the paper bag that holds the bottle
Feel the wheels rumblin' 'neath the floor.
And the sons of pullman porters
And the sons of engineers
Ride their father's magic carpets made of steel.
Mothers with their babes asleep,
Are rockin' to the gentle beat
And the rhythm of the rails is all they feel.

CHORUS

Nighttime on The City of New Orleans,
Changing cars in Memphis, Tennessee.
Half way home, we'll be there by morning
Through the Mississippi darkness
Rolling down to the sea.
And all the towns and people seem
To fade into a bad dream
And the steel rails still ain't heard the news.
The conductor sings his song again,
The passengers will please refrain
This train's got the disappearing railroad blues.

Good night, America, how are you?
Don't you know me I'm your native son,
I'm the train they call The City of New Orleans,
I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.

My preference is the Willie Nelson version, although Arlo Guthrie's was the first to make the charts!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Mornin' (again)!

Just want to acknowledge coalminer3 CM3 for that interesting Post. [tup] Covered some ground with that one ....

Before I get into it, however, a reminder of sorts is in order: There have been a few Posts put out there for your enjoyment that I'm not so sure have been followed by the majority 'round here. Yesterday's feature for the Fallen Flag was
the N&W -page 151, followed by a NOSTALGIA piece on the Budd RDC - page 152 which was then followed with another Fallen Flag the Erie - page 152.

Okay, now to CM3:

That Pennsy steam turbine you mentioned was my first Lionel 0-27 locomotive. Came with a great freight set found under the Christmas tree back in 1948 (I think). Magne Traction, headlight, smoke and a great looking tender that "whistled," what memories. I could fill the page with recollections ......

GG1s are my most favorite of all - loved to look at 'em and still do. Have two in my "retired" display cases of HO "stuff" - Pennsy passenger in tuscan and freight in Brunswick green, both have the 5 stripes. Look great!

Transformers! Oh how I dreamed on the day I would own one of the "biggies," the "ZW." It wasn't to be, I settled on a used "KW," which was a power monger as well. Everything for my Lionel trains (which grew to two sets and accessories), aside from the intial gift, was purchased by me over the years from paper route money, cutting grass, shoveling snow, etc. All those trains are gone and placed into memory. A story for some other time ......

The Burlington - CB&Q was featured on page 129 ....... but without much "fan fare" as I recollect. Nice supplemental info and next time I run the CB&Q I'll have to append your info ...... [tup]

I will be gone for the rest of the AM and into early PM - so, Cindy has the bar!
[yeah][wow] [}:)][:-,]

Watch for the NOSTALGIA piece this afternoon ....... [tup]

Catch y'all when the wind shifts! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #17

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Budd RDC’s from a 1950 advertisement found in my personal collection.

RDC – All-purpose Railway Passenger Coach

RDC, introduced a year ago, is the new all-stainless steel, self-propelled Budd rail diesel car. It is good looking, quiet, smooth riding. It is comfortable, clean and air-conditioned.

The New York Central now has two Budd RDC’s operating express service between Springfield and Boston, and a third, providing local service between western Massachusetts and Albany.

Western Pacific has two RDC’s covering the 924 miles which separate Oakland and Salt Lake City.

Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines have just placed six RDC’s in operation between Camden, Ocean City, Wildwood and Cape May. They leave Camden as a six-car train and end up as two-car trains at each of the three Jersey cities.,

Chicago & North Western has three RDC’s in commuter service; the Baltimore & Ohio will soon haves two and New York, Susquehanna Western, four.

These varied uses to which RDC is being put cover almost every kind of service a railway passenger coach can render.

The general acceptance of the Budd all-stainless steel RDC suggests that the development of railway passenger coach equipment may be headed in a new direction.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Budd Company . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . Philadelphia, Detroit, Gary. . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Budd . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the usual and a ham sub please.

A great party yesterday [tup] glad you liked the tale.Thanks TOM TED CM3 ROB RUSSELL AND DAVE.

Another great flag I marval at some of the wonderful train names. Who owns the Illinois Central today[?].

Thanks for the words to New Orleans. While we were waiting for a table at the Union Station Brewery next to the old Union Station in Providence RI it was playing on the outside loudspeakers. It has got to be one of the best of all the Railroad songs[yeah].

CM3 That wonderful piece on the model catalogs took me back many years our main manufactures were Tri-ang, Hornby Dublo and Trix.

Well I had better do some chores hope to pop back later PETE.

[bjdukert]

Hi there Siberianmo Mind if I stick my head in the door for a couple of minutes and say it was nice to see you in the CS.

QUOTE: Looks like my "funny" from Halloween didn't "make the grade." Oh well, win some - lose some and some are rained out! <grin>

Wasn’t sure if you would be back so didn’t say anything,but it was good. The place looks good and it won’t be that long before you will have a year in,will it?
Ok,time to go and everyone take care
Talk to you later

Duke

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon gentlemen. Cindy I'll have a Keith's while we await the boss to return.One word of caution though Cindy, Tex is not paper trained yet best we don't let him up on the bar top. [:O][xx(]

Tom Nice fallen flag as per usual. The IC is / was one of the great rebuilders.Many a long dead locomotive has been reserected in the Paducah shops. The rebuilt SD24's and GP9 programs are a thing of legeand. Who know's how many of the Paducah geeps are still going strong. many a shortline bought them up after IC was finished with them.

As an Olive branch one good set of E8's 9's would be the set that CN had repainted in their classic Super Continental passenger scheme for their inspection train.[tup][;)] The IC's shop boys painted them in the classic paint scheme shortly after the CN takeover


CM3 Loved the catalgue story you definatly could tell what time of the year it was when all the Christmas cat's started comming out. For me it was Eaton's, Sears,Canadian Tire, Consumers Distributing and a couple others. Most of these dept store cat, listed some fine trains in their toy sections. Sears and Eatons always had a page or two of Lionel trains HO and O.

Like Tom my first train set I bought myself. It was an HO one though and have stuck with it ever since.

Pete It was CN that has taken over the riegns of the IC. This happened what 5 or 6 years ago ? In essence it has given CN a Coast to Coast to Coaaast railway. Atlantic to Pacific in Canada and a mainline down through Chicago to the Gulf of Mexico. If you count the Northern Manitoba Churchhill line to hudson Bay then CN has access to the arctic as well.

Fergie nice to see you drop by . Hopefully you can stay longer the next time. Those loved but not forgotten east coast routes will be a welcome read for everyone here. Close to the Bosses heart will be any info on the Dominion Atlantic RDC's as well.[tup]
[:D]


Tom Nice follow up on the RDC's as well. I would imagine that to find rail car / locomotive ads today one would have to get a hold of a janes all the worlds railways yearbook. If they are at all like their Fighting ships eries than that would be the case. I know that in the old used copies of Fighting ships that I have you find ad's for shipbuilders and systems manufacturers.

Here's a little ad exerpt from a book I have here at home. This is an add from 1952 from Electro motive. This comes oout of the book In the shadow of giants the toronto Hamilton and Buffalo Railway story By Norman Helm.

"Good for another million miles."

Here is Electro-Motive gas-electric rail car number 301. Which has passed the million mile mark on the Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo Railway and is still performing perfectly in passenger service between Welland , Hamilton ,and waterford Ontario.

Mr W B Slater, assistant General Manager of the T H & B RY, writes:...


"This car has been in service since dec 14 1927, and the 1,000,000-mile mark was reached on January 8 1949. The car still provides excellant riding qualities. It is functioning 100% and without some unusual circumstances arising it should be good for another million miles. "

we expect reports like this. Practically all of the 500 Electro-Motive rail cars built between 1923 and 1932 are still in active service.The work these old-timers are doing will not match the spectacular achievements of their diesel successors. But it was in th steady, outstanding performance of such rail cars that railroads learned they could rely on locomotives which bear Electro-Motives name plate.

i'll pop back in later evryone.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Since it is my day off ( that's why I'm not vamping it at the moment ) I have been trying to catch up on some reading. specifically I pulled out the TH&B book a dropped the EMC ad from.

The TH&B was an interesting road. the best of many worlds I suppose. It's herritage in ownership at least comes from the CPR , Michigan Central ? New York central.

Many an interesting steam locomotive appeared on their roster. alot of MLW built 2-8-0's and 0-6-0's and 0-8-0's. These were generic to CP designs as well as a couple of light ten wheelers also close to CP spec.

Their most exotic locomotives came via the NYC. A pair of J1E's hudsons 500 and 501 these were built at the same time as the NYC order. And a pair of heavy Berkshires the only ones in Canada 200 ,201. There are many fine photo's of these four locomotives.


Anyway reading through the book I came accross another interestic tid bit of Classic paseenger train type stuff. Enjoy.


The New Empire State Express

Again New York central makes transportation history with a new streamlined Empire State Express Her is really a new way to travel- new in luxury - new in the relaxation and pleasure it offers you.


Built of stainles steel with interiors as comfortable as they are beautiful. smart solarium observation ; tavern lounge and dining cars. all seats reserved in Parlour Cars and Reclining Seat Coaches. Same low fares !

Westbound

LV New York..... 9:00 am
Ar Buffalo ......... 4:50pm
Ar St thomas......7:45pm
Ar Detroit.............9:55pm


Eastbound

LV Detroit............8:30am
Ar St Thomas...10:32am
Ar Buffalo.............1:30pm
Ar New York.........9:30pm

This train travelled accross the TH&B in southern Ontario as a shortcut between Ny and Detroit. This was listed in the New york Central's/ michigan centrals time table dated November 30 1941. The service started in service westbound on Dec 7 1941 and eastbound dec 8 1941. Note the start dates for the train. I imagine that it did not get much fanfare.

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang...Tom you have a message.. Round of your best for the gang.. Yes indeed, i'm back! Howdy Rob, Cm3, Passengerfan and all the others I negelected to mention

I'm a day behind, but hey, here goes: Regarding the corrosion issues associated with Corten siding as used by Pullman specifficaly on the orginal 1937 Daylight consits, SP attempted several ideas the rectify moisture collection behind the panels, rewelding and seam sealing were attempted to no avail. Corrosion could be excessive enough to warrent replacement of truss memebers and pose a threat to safety, after enduring this expensive, time consuming condition for a number of years, with Pullman unable to provide a solution, SP extensivily shopped all cars so equipped, replacing the offending siding material with rolled sheetmetal, SP took the oppertunity to completely change the configuration in certain situations as well with new widow locations or complete conversions to different cars ( The full domes used on the valley line were so built using orginal Daylight observation lounges) The infamous Automat idea was a result of rebuilding vrs. replacement and but one example of just what the SP shops were capable of accompishing.



Ok Boris.. do what you do so well

Dave

[trolleyboy]

Hey Dave good to see you.Excellent info there [tup] One thought comes to mind this Budd is for you. I know awfull joke. Hey they don't pay me to be funny. I can't imagine automats on passenger trains. though I suppose at the time automats were an "in vogue " sort of thing in North America.

Rob

[siberianmo]

Evenin’ Guys!

Thanx Cindy - you've had a long day and the boyz all appreciate it! [yeah] Sorry I neglected to tell you about Tex the Armadillo. Kinda sneaks up on ya, eh [?] [swg] Ohhhhhhhhhh, fine - not funny. Temper, temper! [swg] Watch it - these hands are "registered!"

Now this is more like it, some business at the bar and a visit from a friend from some time back …. Some acknowledgements are in order:

pwolfe Pete Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 14:51:33

Couldn’t agree with you more regarding “The City of New Orleans” song being one of the best. I play it constantly while in the Can-Am trainroom! [tup]

As Rob indicated, the Illinois Central is now part of the Canadian National Railways much to the dismay and chagrin of a bunch of folks livin’ south of the 49th parallel. It was predicted many decades ago that the North American continent would witness a day when only a relative handful of railroads would be operating, with essentially one or two for north/south traffic and one or two for east/west. Seems to be heading that way.

Appreciate your stoppin’ by ….. [tup]

bjdukert Duke Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 16:01:09

Appreciate your stoppin’ by! [tup] I checked out your photo album and man oh man, you have some interesting shots there. Highly recommend that our guys take a look at http://photobucket.com/albums/b350/bjdukert

Perhaps next time you stop by, you can provide us with a run down on those models you and others are riding. We can listen, while you enjoy a brew with us and tell the story! [tup]

I’m going to try and “return to my roots” with a bit more frequency in terms of my visits to the “shop.” Although I must admit I’m less inclined to get into the frenzy of it all – just like to say “howdy” to some friends who always made me feel at home.

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 16:05:08 and 16:37:02 and 16:43:28

That’s a real nice piece on the EM gas-electric rail car! Nicely done and appreciated! [tup] I had read about these ventures in my “RDC Rail Diesel Car” book. There are a couple of chapters devoted to all the different types of cars eventually leading up to the development of what was to become perhaps the best of ‘em all.

You may very well be correct regarding “Janes” as a resource. I haven’t looked at or thought of ‘em since my days (daze) looking up the former Soviet navy’s sub fleet. Spent more than a few months in the north Atlantic “pinging” on this ‘n that out there ……..

That “Empire State Express” run down really fits well with the theme we’re trying to maintain ‘round here! Good job! [tup][tup] I don’t know – the schedule looks pretty much the way a “normal” one would be. They all weren’t “friendly,” so to speak. When I look through my 1956 Guide of the North American Railroads, there are scores of schedules that fit into the “unfriendly” category too.

My thoughts exactly regarding “automats” on trains. I know I’ve commented on this subject a dozen or so pages “ago.” Don’t speak too loudly, or VIA Rail will decide to replace their dining cars (again) on the “Ocean” with automats! [tdn] No, no – they didn’t do that – but they came close to comin’ up with something equally ridiculous. Buffet service – never got off the ground. Was back in the days (daze) of CEO Rod Morrison’s regime, I believe.

West Coast S Dave
Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 16:37:06

Two days in a row! [wow][yeah][tup]

Email received and responded to – thanx! Life’s twists ‘n turns, eh [?]

Take your time catchin’ up – there’s a bunch. [swg]

Phew! So, whatillyahave [?]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

WEDNESDAY INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Mornin’ Y’all! Another fine day appears to be dawning here in mid-continent USA. Still bothers me ‘bout the Halloween rainout for the kids. [tdn]

Now, time for a pick-me-up from The Mentor Village Bakery, some freshly brewed “Joe,” and of course a selection from the <light> breakfast menu – right over there on the Menu Board! [swg]

Info for the Day:

(1) The Selection Committee for the Order of the Stools will release the results of their October meeting TODAY. Watch for it!

(2) Wednesday’s are for those engaged in the model railroad hobby, along with any other aspect of railroading that falls into the hobby category to showcase what you have done, are doing or are planning to do. That just about covers it, eh [?] We’re really lookin’ for track diagrams, but if all else fails, an overall photo (pix) of one’s layout will be fine. Just save the photo spread for our Sunday Photo Posting Day!. We call Wednesday, Pike Perspectives Day!

(3) Thursday’s are for our Fish ‘n Chips Nite. We haven’t had a Nick’s Picks [C=:-)] in so long, I’m going to hold back on advertising that ‘til we hear from the “man” [C=:-)] himself! Dinner begins at 5 PM!

(4) Friday’s are for our Pizza Nite along with Steak ‘n Fries. [dinner] Dinner begins at 5 PM!

INDEX Mondays only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 04:54:10 (152) The Manager speaks!

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 05:57:59 (152) Tuesday’s Info & Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 06:18:00 (152) Fallen Flag – IC

(4) Fergmiester Fergie Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 06:36:45 (152) Visitor from The Coffee Shop

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 07:16:42 (152) rely to: trolleyboy - Theodorebear – Fergmiester

(6) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 07:55:58 (152) Daily pick us up!

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 09:02:17 (152) Lyrics – City of New Orleans

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 09:30:49 (152) reply to coalminer3, etc.

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 13:41:16 (153) NOSTALGIA #17 – Budd RDC

(10) pwolfe Pete Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 14:51:33 (153) Inclusive Post!

(11) bjdukert Duke Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 16:01:09 (153) Visit from The Coffee Shop

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 16:05:08 (153) Inclusive Post!, etc.

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 16:37:02 (153) The New Empire State Express

(14) West Coast S Dave Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 16:37:06 (153) Pullman/SP

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 16:43:28 (153)

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Nov 2005, 19:01:05 (153) reply to pwolfe – bjdukert – trolleyboy – West Coast S

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

. . . . . . . . . . ENCORE! ENCORE! . . . . . . . . . .

As promised, this ENCORE! is being repeated in order for everyone to have another chance at viewing the comprehensive additional information provided by passeangerfan Al. [tup][tup][tup]

This Fallen Flag was previously shown on page 106 and 150! from Classic American Railroads:

Missouri Pacific

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Route mileage in 1950: 9,700

Locomotive fleet in 1963: Diesel: 724

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 44.923 Passenger cars: 533

Principal lines in 1950:

St. Louis-Sedalia-Kansas City, MO-Omaha, NE
Jefferson City-Boonville-Kansas City
St. Joseph, MO-Stockton, KS
Kansas City-Pueblo, CO
Osawatomie, KS-Wagoner, OK-North Little Rock, AR
Pleasant Hill, MO-Wichita-Geneseo, KS
Fort Scott-Larned, KS
Rich Hill-Joplin, MO
Carthage, MO-Diaz, AR
St. Louis-Little Rock, AR-Texarkana, TX
East St. Louis, IL-Poplar Bluff, MO
Bismark, MO-Salem, IL
Bald Knob, AR-Memphis, TN
Little Rock-McGehee, AR-Lake Charles, LA
Memphis-McGehee
McGehee-Vidalia, LA
Pine Bluff-Hot Springs, AR
Gurdon, AR-Clayton, LA
Longview-Laredo, TX
Palestine-Galveston, TX
Brownsville, TX-Baton Rouge, LA-New Orleans
New Orleans-Donaldson-Alexandria, LA
Forth Worth-Spring (Houston), TX
San Antonio-Corpus Christi, TX
El Paso-Longview, TX-Livonia, LA-New Orleans (T&P)
Fort Worth, TX-Cypress, LA, via Texarkana & Marthaville, LA (T&P)
Texarkana-Longview (T&P)

Passenger Trains:

Aztec Eagle (San Antonio-Mexico City)
Colorado Eagle (St, Louis-Denver)
Houstonian (New Orleans-Houston)
Louisiana Sunshine Special (Little Rock-Lake Charles)
Missouri River Eagle (St. Louis-Omaha)
Missourian (St. Louis-Kansas City and Wichita)
Orleanean (Houston-New Orleans)
Ozarker (St. Louis-Little Rock)
Pioneer (Houston-Brownsville)
Rainbow Special (Kansas City-Little Rock)
Royal Gorge (Kansas City-Pueblo)
Southerner (St. Louis-El Paso & San Antonio & New Orleans)
Southern Scenic (Kansas City-Memphis)
Sunflower (St. Louis-Kansas City & Wichita)
Sunshine Special (St. Louis-Hot Springs & San Antonio)
Texan (St. Louis-Fort Worth
Texas Eagle (No. 1 & 2: St. Louis-El Paso, TX)
Texas Eagle (No. 21 & 22: St. Louis-Houston & San Antonio)
Valley Eagle (Houston-Brownsville)

Of note: National Railways of Mexico operated the Aztec Eagle between Nuevo Laredo-Mexico City.
T&P operated the El Paso trains out of Texarkana and handled Texarkana-Longview trains.
Denver trains out of Pueblo were operated by D&RGW.

QUOTE: passengerfan Al Posted: 29 Oct 2005, 20:42:23

The MP was an interesting passenger road in that in the streamline era they owned cars from all four major manufacturers (P/S, AC&F, Budd and SLC.
One of their most interesting streamliners was the COLORADO EAGLE introduced six months after WW had began on June 21, 1942. The seven car streamliners were combination Budd and P/S built cars the first five cars the Baggage , Baggage 30'RPO, 56 Seat Coach, 48-Seat Grill Coach and the Dining Lounge Cars were Budd built and the two trailing sleeping cars were P/S built. Actually there was an eighth car in each consist a modernized heavyweight sleeping car west of Geneseo Kansas to Denver. This car originated in Wichita westbound and terminated in Wichita eastbound. The train was operated over D&RGW rails north of Pueblo to Denver, and the diesels showed both roads names to reflect this.
Following WW II the train received three Budd built domes which have an interesting story behind them. First why was there three when there was only two consists necessary for daily service. It was initially planned that the COLORADO EAGLE would be part of the CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR and through cars would operate west of Denver in that train so the CZ would have two eastern terminals Chicago and St. Louis. Talks broke off just after the MP had ordered the domes from Budd. These Budd domes were exactly the same as the Budd dome coaches operated in the CZ with 46-reclining leg rest seats on the main level and the 24 standard seats in the dome. Talks broke off but the MP was already committed to the domes so they took delivery. Each COLORADO EAGLE was assigned one and the extra operated in one of the two consists of the MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE. When the MP purchased their P/S domes they ordered five knowing the TEXAS EAGLES 1-2 would only require two and the TEXAS EAGLES 21-22 would only require two so the extra went to the other MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE. The MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE was the only trains operating one consist with a Budd built dome and the other with a P/S built dome.

TEXAS EAGLES 1-2 were actually two trains in one, although the schedule said operating between St. Louis and El Paso the train operating west of Fort Worth was far different then the one arriving in Fort Worth each morning. The Dining car was replaced by a Dining Lounge and only two of the trains sleepers ran through and a single coach. Other then the head end cars it was practically a totally different train departing west and east from Fort Worth.

QUOTE: passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 08:11:16
The Missouri Pacific and Texas & Pacific inaugurated the lightweight streamlined TEXAS EAGLES 1-2 on August 15, 1948 sometimes referred to as the WEST TEXAS EAGLES between St. Louis, Little Rock, Texarkana, Dallas, and Fort Worth then on to El Paso. The new lightweight streamlined TEXAS EAGLES were not operated with a lightweight streamlined observation due to the amount of switching in route.

The TEXAS EAGLE between Fort Worth and Dallas was a much different train that the one that arrived from St. Louis that morning. The TEXAS EAGLE west of Fort Worth operated a single through sleeping car from St. Louis to El Paso and one or two through coaches. A full dining car operated in the TEXAS EAGLE trains only between St. Louis and Fort Worth. West of Fort Worth the TEXAS EAGLE operated a Dining Lounge Car. The TEXAS EAGLE west of Fort Worth carried a lot of head end traffic so anyone seeing the train in the distance would think it was the same train that arrived Fort Worth in the morning. It might be the same number of cars but most were head end cars.
The new TEXAS EAGLES were generally assigned a pair of EMD E7A units or ALCO PA-1 units for power. The consists of the TEXAS EAGLES were comprised of cars from AC&F who built all but the sleeping cars and Pullman Standard who built the sleeping cars and sleeper lounge cars.
CONSIST ONE (Inaugural)
7004 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

7004B EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

100 (T&P) Baggage 30'Railway Post Office Car
(St. Louis - Dallas)

804 (MP) Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Car
(St. Louis - Fort Worth)

451 (T&P) 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - El Paso)

896 (MP) 24-Seat Planetarium Dome 42-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Fort Worth)

460 (T&P) 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Fort Worth)

840 (MP) 44-seat Dining Car
(St. Louis - Fort Worth)

EAGLE CLIFF (MP) 5-Double Bedroom Soda Fountain 24 seat Lounge Car
(St. Louis - Fort Worth)

EAGLE GLIDE (MP) 14-Roomette 1-Drawing Room 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(ST. Louis - Fort Worth)

EAGLE CHAIN (MP) 14-Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(New York - St. Louis - El Paso)

EAGLE CREST (MP) 14 Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Washington - St. Louis - Fort Worth)

EAGLE DIVIDE (MP) 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Memphis - Fort Worth via Little Rock)

CONSIST TWO (Inaugural)

7010 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

7010B EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

101 (T&P) Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car
(Dallas - St. Louis)

304 (T&P) Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Car
(Fort Worth - St. Louis)

450 (T&P) 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(El Paso - St. Louis)

200 (T&P) 24-Seat Planetarium Dome 42-Revenue Seat Coach
(Fort Worth - St. Louis)

461 (T&P) 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(Fort Worth - St. Louis)

500 (T&P) 44-Seat Dining Car
(Fort Worth - St. Louis)

18 EAGLE CANYON (T&P) 5-Double Bedroom Soda Fountain 24-Seat Lounge Car
(Fort Worth - St. Louis)

17 EAGLE FLIGHT (T&P) 14-Roomette 1-Drawing Room 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Fort Worth - St. Louis)

1 EAGLE BAY (T&P) 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(El -Paso - St. Louis - New York)

3 EAGLE ISLAND (T&P) 14 Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Fort Worth - St. Louis - Washington)

5 EAGLE PATH (T&P) 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Fort Worth - Memphis via Little Rock)

The two planetarium cars in the above consist were not added until June - July 1952. They actually replaced two 60 revenue seat coaches.

The westbound TEXAS EAGLE was discontinued between Fort Worth and El Paso beginning in 1964.

The TEXAS EAGLE was combined with the LOUISIANA EAGLE between Longview and Fort Worth in 1969.

The remnant of the TEXAS EAGLE (No sleepers no dining) was thankfully in 1971 at the start of Amtrak.

QUOTE: passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 20:25:53
TEXAS EAGLES 21-22
The second sets of TEXAS EAGLES were actually two trains in one operating between St. Louis and Palestine, Texas. At that point the southbound TEXAS EAGLES split into two trains one destined for Houston and Galveston the other destined for San Antonio. The two northbound trains that originated in those cities became one again each afternoon in Palestine.These TEXAS EAGLES often ran to as many as eighteen cars between St. Louis and Palestine. The train out of St. Louis carried a pair of dining lounge cars for food service one dewstined for San Antonio the other Houston. Again power for the new streamliners was EMD E7A -B units or Alco PA units. The passenger roilling stock for these TEXAS EAGLES came from American Car & Foundry except for the sleeping cars that came from Pullman Standard. All three of the TEXAS EAGLES carried through sleeping cars to and from the east coast. The New York bound sleeping cars traveled east of St. Louis in the PRR PENN TEXAS and the Washington bound cars traveled in the B&O NATIONAL LIMITED. The new TEXAS EAGLES were inaugurated August 15, 1948.
CONSIST ONE

7011EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

7011B EMD 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

814 Baggage 30' Railway Post Office Car
(St. Louis - Houston)

820 12-Crew Dormitory 52-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Houston)

831 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Houston)

832 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - Galveston)

870 Grill 9-Seat lunch Counter 8-Seat Dinette 36-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

894 24-Seat Planetarium Dome 42-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

844 32-Seat Dining 19-Seat Lounge Car
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

822 12-Crew Dormitory 52-Revenue Seat Coach
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

841 32-Seat Dining 19-Seat Lounge Car
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

EAGLE CIRCLE 14-Roomette 1-Drawing Room 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(St. Louis - Galveston)

EAGLE BUTTE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Washington - St. Louis - Houston)

8430 EAGLE BEAM PRR 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(New York - St. Louis - Houston)

8432 EAGLE CHARM PRR 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(New York - St. Louis - San Antonio)

EAGLE WOODS 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

EAGLE TURN 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(St. Louis - San Antonio)

EAGLE STREAM 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Memphis - Little Rock - Houston)

CONSIST TWO

7012 EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

7012B EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

812 Baggage 30'Railway Post Office Car
(Houston - St. Louis)

821 12-Crew Dormitory 52-Revenue Seat Coach
(Houston - St. Louis)

830 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(Houston - St. Louis)

833 60-Revenue Seat Coach
(Galveston - St. Louis)

871 Grill 9-Seat Lunch Counter 8-Seat Dinette 36-Revenue Seat Coach
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

895 24-Seat Planetarium Dome 42-Revenue Seat Coach
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

842 32-Seat Dining 19-Seat Lounge Car
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

823 12-Crew Dormitory 52-Revenue Seat Coach
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

844 32-Seat Dining 19-Seat Lounge Car
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

EAGLE VILLAGE 14-Roomette 1-Drawing Room 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Galveston - St. Louis)

EAGLE CHASM 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Houston - St. Louis - Washington)

8431 EAGLE BLUFF PRR 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Houston - St. Louis - New York)

8433 EAGLE CHIEF PRR 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(San Antonio - St. Louis - New York)

EAGLE VALLEY 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

EAGLE TREE 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(San Antonio - St. Louis)

EAGLE SUMMIT 14-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
(Houston - Little Rock - Memphis)

The 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping cars were not actually delivered to the PRR until August - October 1950 so the PRR substituted prewar CASCADE series 10-Roomette 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars for this service. I chose to list the consists as they were remembered most with the 10-6 cars in service.

Likewise the Planetarium Coaches shown were not actually added to the trains until June-July 1952.

The connecting service between Little Rock and Memphis was discontinued in 1965.

In 1969 the TEXAS EAGLE was discontinued between Palestine and Houston.

One year later the TEXAS EAGLES were discontinued between Texarkana and San Antonio

In 1971 TEXAS EAGLE service ended with the beginning of Amtrak.

Enjoy it all!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Morning All; coffee, please; round for the house; and $ for the jukebox. Let's listen to Mountain Railway this a.m.

The comments on the Empire State Express were most interesting. Rogers Whitaker (aka E.M. Frimbo) in his book Decade of the Trains (a somehow forgotten excellent volume of American railroads in WWII), tells of he and a group of his friends went out to the wilds of western NY to ride some of the interurban lines out there as well as the inaugural run of the Empire State Express. They got caught in a snowstorm (what a surprise for December!), and barely made it back to catch the EB Empire. They heard about the atack on Pearl Harbor while they were on the train. I heard a similar story from him one evening in the lounge car on the Crescent. God- could he yarn! If you want some fun reading see if you can get a copy of All Aboard with E.M. Frimbo.

Needless to say, the news from Hawaii trumped everything that day. I was talking to my dad abt. that awhile ago (he's up there but mentally he can run raings around most all of us), and he said, "December 7 was the end of life as we knew it. We truly lost whataver innocence we had as a Nation that day."

The Empire State in wartime (1942) operated the following cars.

Tavern lounge (buffet): Cleveland-New York
Parlor Cars: Cleveland-New York, Detroit-New York
Diners: Cleveland-New York, Detroit-New York
Observation Coach (Buffet lounge): Cleveland-New York
Reclining Seat Coaches: Cleveland-New York, Detroit-New York, Buffalo-New York

I enjoyed looking through the TH&B material. They are finally getting some press in the magazines - RMC had a two-part article on them a little while ago.

As for the RDC ads - nostalgia there for sure.

Awhile back we mentioned ancient E units. Since we have also been doing fallen falgs, here's some information (from the vaults, believe me), about early SAL and ACL E's.

The Seaboard Air Line bought a batch of E4As in 1938 and 1939. These were numbered 3000-3013. In 1939 E4bs 3100-3104 joined the fleet.
In 1939 and 1941, they added E6as 3014-3016 to their roster. Some of these lasted a long time, being traded in to EMD in the mad 60s to late 70s.

The ACL got an E3a (#500) in 1939. They got E6As in 1940 and E6Bs in 1940-1941, and another E6B in 1942. Another batch of E6As (#513-523 and 501) were added in 1941 and 1942. All of them were gone by 1965 in a series of trades and resales.

work safe

P.S. Glad to see some old faces reappearing.

[trolleyboy]

Good morning Tom. A week tea and some soft oaatmeal I think this morning. ( I had a wisdom tooth removed last night so soft is the key at the moment. Gee with one gone does that mean some of my railway info leaked out ? ) [swg]



Tom and Al Though I caught it on the first run through I appreciate the encore. As I've said before my knowledge of the western Roads is limited though with you and Al dropping info like you are I'm learning. [tup]

Glad you liked the TH&B piece. I figured that I would drop it in to help demonstrate some of their unique joint operations. Helps explain to you folks about a well beloved Canadian road that few people new about.

I agree with you on the automats in the "dinning cars " Not a terribly good idea but who are we to judge' I'm just glad that Via backed down on the buffet proposal. I'm all for an occational buffet style dinner but on a long run on a train I would want to be pampered somewhat.

CM3 Thanks for the editional insight on the TH&B. Mr Frimbo ws on the inagural runs wonderfull little story. And as I mentioned yesterday, the fact the train's start date was the Sunday of the Pearl Harbour attack insures it's date in history though not by happy means.

I'm going to see if I can find the book you mentioned sounds like an interesting read to be sure. If you can try to find the In The Shadow of Giants The Story of the Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo Railway by Norman Helm The book was published in 1997 uit's actually the second edition the first edition came out in the early 80's. Mr Helm passed away about 6 years ago, I was luckey enough to meet him when I purchased my copy of the book ( which he signed ) He was an avid writer did alot of second world war history pieces, he was working on a deffinitive book on Canada and the second world war shortly after the TH&B reprint ( essentially a re-write as it has alot more info than the original which I have read at my Father in laws ) I'm not sure if it came out though.


Another small tidbit from the book. This is a schedule for the TH&B passenger trains to the resort town of Port Maitland which is located on Lake Erie at the mouth of the Grand River.This is from a 1952 TH&B timetable from what I can figure. Enjoy. Rob

How to reach Port Maitland

Port Maitland is situated at the mouth of the Grand River on Lake Erie, five and one half miles from Dunnville Ontario. from points in the United States, take Michigan Central- T H & B trains as shown below. From Points in Canada take T H & B or Canadian Pacific or Michigan Central rains as shown below.

Train Service
( June 28th to September 3rd )

Daily except Sunday
To Port Maitland Leave...Buffalo NY............MCRR.....8:03am....1:50pm
Leave. Nigara Falls NY...MCRR.....8:15am....1:20pm
Arrive Smithville On..........TH&B......9:44am....3:35pm
Arrive Dunnville On...........TH&B....10:25am....4:10pm
Arrive Port Maitland ON....TH&B....10:50am....4:35pm

Leave..Toronto On.............CPR.......7:50am......1:00pm
Leave..Hamilton.................TH&B.....9:03am......2:13pm
Arrive ..Smithville................TH&B.....9:44am......2:53pm
Arrive...Dunnville.................TH&B....10:25am ....4:10pm
Arrive..Port Maitland............TH&B....10:50am.....4:35pm



From Port Maitland
Monday only Daily except sunday
Leave Port Maitland.......... 8:45am..........1:55pm................6:00pm
Leave Dunnville..................9:10am...........2:20pm................6:25pm
Arrive Smithville..................9:40am...........2:50pm.................6:55pm
Arrive Buffalo.......................11:33am.........4:35pm.................8:40pm
Arrive Niagara Falls NY..............................4:35pm................11:05pm

Leave Port Maitland............8:45am...........1:55pm.................6:00pm
Leave Dunnville...................9:10am...........2:20pm.................6:25pm
Arrive Smithville...................9:40am............2:50pm.................6:25pm
Arrive Hamilton...................10:30am...........4:20pm.................8:25pm
Arrive Toronto......................11:48am...........5:38pm.................9:43pm

These trainsonly ran between June 28th and september 3rd.There was no train service between Dunnville and Port Maitland the rest of the year. Summer tourist service only.

[siberianmo]

<bonk> <boink> <bonk> (What kinda gavel is this [?])

Oye, Oye – All Rise for the Order of the Stools Selection Committee

We are rized ….

Quiet!

Who let that parrot in here [?]

Right!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

You may be seated!

The Selection Committee of the Order of the Stools announces the findings of their October meeting.

Be it known from this day forth that the following customer of ”Our” Place has been distinguished by frequent and on-point Posts along with willing participation in the banter at the bar:

coalminer3 CM3 is hereby elevated to the Order of the Permanent Stools

This honor carries with it certain responsibilities to the continued success of ”Our” Place. A willingness to pick up the slack when long term absences occur along with participation in the special events, such as Birthday Bash celebrations and the like.

Congratulations to you, CM3!


The next meeting of the Committee will be announced at a later date.

This session is now concluded.

<bonk> <bornk <bonk> (We gotta do better than this!)

All Rise as the Selection Committee departs.

We are still rized …

Confound it!

Awk, Awk, Awk

Quiet!

Drinks on the house! Boris ring the bell, twice! [tup][tup][tup]

Tom, Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[coalminer3]

Quick stop for now. Thanks for the selection or dubbing to the order. Ropund for the house in appreciation.

I'll see if I can find the TH&B book.

Now here's one for those interested in C&O ops in my part of the country. The title is The Chesapeake and Ohio Railway in West Virginia Photos, 1940-1960. It's published by the C&O Historical Society. Lots of b&w and color pictures, mine plans, etc.

Astound your neighbors - build a tipple in your back yard. Heat your house for the winter. One car load should do it. BTW, there's several places I pass en route to work that have signs out front advertising "House Coal" for sale - we may need it!

No, Boris - not that kind of tipple. By the way, what's IN that tank car parked on the siding out back?

Our passenger fans will enjoy the color shots of C&O passenger trains as well.

Well - time for an afternoon meeting (at least I'll be in the building this p.m.)

work safe

[Anonymous]

CONFOUND IT!!!! I had my finger on the "send" key when a 2 second power lapse happened. Thanks to Progress Energy, I must go all the way back to square one. Can't do it now....too d..n angry! See ya tonight.

[siberianmo]

G’day Gents!

Runnin a bit behind the curve this fine day – and it truly IS a fine day ‘round here. Temps are supposed to get up to 72 (F), quite a bit higher than normal, but the skies remain blue, winds calm and just a great day for livin’. Petrol is holding at $2.25 (rounded) – didja ever think we’d be “happy” at that [?]

The boyz up at “Collusion Corner” are apparently raking it in, for I just read an account in the local bird cage liner (aka: newspaper) that as the wholesale prices for crude oil drop, the individual gas station operators are seeing an increase in their profit margins. Hmmmmmm, I shudda majored in “voodoo economics.”

News of the day belongs to coalminer3 CM3 and his induction into the hallowed group of regulars dubbed, The Order of the Permanent Stools. Congrats! [tup][tup][tup]

I should warn you that lately we’ve inducted a couple of guys who almost immediately “disappeared.” One has recently made a reappearance, but we’re not quite sure when we’ll see him again. So, be careful around “black holes.” [swg]

Some acknowledgements of Posts are in order:

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 02 Nov 2005, 08:33:30 and 11:55:44

Life is Like a Mountain Railway
Traditional/incomplete

Life is like a mountain railway
With an engineer that's brave
We must make the run successful
From the cradle to the grave
Watch the hills, the curves and tunnels
Never falter, never fail
Keep your hands upon the throttle
And your eyes upon the rail

Blessed Savior thy will guide us
Till we reach that distant shore
Where the angels wait to join us
In God's grace forever more

Is this what you are referring to [?] Couldn’t find anything else on it and I’ve never heard it. Somewhere on that Wurltizer of ours it is sure to be found! [swg] Perhaps you were alluding to the group, “Green Mountain Railway.” http://www.greenmtrailway.com/band/

The Pearl Harbor announcement came over the radio as I was playing with some toys in the “parlour” on that Sunday. In my family, I was only permitted in that room on special occasions, or when the family gathered round the radio – you know, the one with the “green eye” that mesmerized the young and old alike. Anyway, I was merely a “spit” of a kid at 3 ½ , but the memory is there. Not for the gravity of it all, but of the anguish my family exhibited at the time. One of my uncles was in the Navy, aboard of the ships at Pearl (he survived), my father was in the North Atlantic aboard a freighter, and another uncle was in the British Expeditionary Forces under the Australian banner in India combating the Japanese. (Absolute fact.) It was a somber moment for lots of us and a memory that will not fade.

As always, an interesting and informative Post! [tup] I am just a bit confused and require some clarification from either you or Rob – what was the connection between the Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo (TH&B) and the New York Central (NYC) insofar as the “Empire State Express” was concerned [?] Everything I’ve found indicates that train was a NYC operation. What have I failed to understand on this [?] Thanx!

Ah yes, the tank car. Seems that some time back, Nick [C=:-)] suggested, alluded, or hinted at gettin' one for a concoction he said would require lots of storage space. So, there's the storage space! [swg]


Appreciate the roundS and quarters! [tup][tup]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 02 Nov 2005, 09:48:52

Sorry to hear about the “extraction,” those can be painful after effects for sure. But c’mon, tough it out m’boy, you’re a regular at ”Our” Place and WE can handle it! [swg] <after all, it’s YOUR loss!> [swg]

Nice work on the Port Maitland sked! [tup] Appreciate your takin’ an active part with these types of Posts, for it really supports the original intention behind the creation of this thread. Everything else, and I mean everything, that goes on ‘round here really is secondary to the idea of discussing Classic Trains. Thanx, Rob you really are a team player! [tup]

So, whatillyahave [?]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon again everyone. Tom something light and non-charged for this afternoon if you pleas and a congratulatory round for the house in CM3's honour. Good show man good show.[tup][:D]

CM3 Let me know if you have any difficulties finding the book. i'll have to check but we may still have a couple new copies in the museum gift shop. If not fairly good quality used do crop up from time to time. You can try the museum website ,the giftshop listing will let you know what's available.


Since it's Pike day here at the bar ( and no ones yet to pick up the subject ) I figured that I would continue the tale of the TH&B and it's modelling oportunities. Lifelike Canada has run several batches of TH&B rolling stock, gondolas,coal hoppers , boxcars and flatcars. Athearn & Branchline trains have put out some heavyweight passenger cars ( all old 6 wheel truck monitor roof beauties ) Intermountain has run the cylindrical hoppers in both kit and ready to run forms. Even Front range and athearn have done the black and yellow boxcars in the past.


Locomotives have also been produced by lifelike Canada and Broadway has produced siound equiped versions of the Hudson's 500 and 501 when they did their NYC versions. As these TH&B Hudson's were added onto the last order for Hudson's the central placed. Lifelikes Berkshire is also a clos match to the birks the TH&B ran. Lifelike has produced all three of TH&B's GP9 locomotives in N and HO 401,402,&403 and they have done all of the GP7 roadswitchers and a couple runs of the SW9's. If one can find a Herald King or CDS lettering kit the kato NW2 model is the exact version match for the TH&B's NW2's.

One local hamilton hobby shop Moddellers Choice is an exclusive importer of TH&B and Ontario Northland loco's and frieght cars www.modelerschoice.com follow the links to the modeller's choice Canada site to check on this availability. Two of their more recent imports were from Bachman the spectrum 2-8-0's and the doodlebug gas electric also a spectrum model.

For quite a while I modelled the TH&B . i have except for some rolling stock have sold off this product when I had decided to run mostly CP and traction.

If one was to model the transition TH&B it would not take long to have the entire roster! The TH&B dieselized early 100% diesel by 1954. The final diesel roster ( never changed from units built in the 50's ) is as follows...

No 71..... GP7 built 1950 by GMD
No72...... GP7 built 1950.............. became CP 1682
No73.......GP7 built 1950............. to...........CP 1683
No74.......GP7 built 1950............. to...........CP 1684
No75........GP7built 1953.............. to..........CP 1685
No76.........GP7built 1953.............. to...........CP 1686
No77.........GP7built 1953................to........... CP 1687


No401........GP9built 1954................ to............CP 1688
No402........ GP9built 1954................to.............CP 1689
No403.........GP9built 1954................ to............CP 1690

No 51..........NW2built 1948.................to............OSR 51
No 52..........NW2built 1948..................scrapped 1988
No 53..........NW2built 1948..................scrapped 1988
No 54..........NW2built 1948..................scrapped 1988

No 55..........SW9built 1950..................scrapped 1988
No 56..........SW9built 1950..................scrapped 1988
No 57..........SW9built 1950..............to....EM-EMD 57
No 58..........SW9built 1951...................scrapped 1988

All of the CP rebuilds are now chopped nosed and rebuilt to GP9R status, and are used for hump yard and transfer service. As built the three 400's had torpedo tube roof airtanks as these were dual purpose passenger / freight locomotives. TH&B 71 was to have gone to GMD as a museum piece ( first GP7 built in Canada ) but it was destroyed in a grade crossing accident in January of 1980. The rebuilds happened in 1988 the year that TH&B was officially absorbed into the CPR as the Hamilton subdivision. The switchers were all sold to Atlas steel in welland for scrapping save 51 which I've posted pictures of ( still painted as a TH&B unit by the OSR ) and #57 which became the shop switcher at the London EMD plant, In 1994 it was sent to the Lagrange EMD plant as a shop switcher from there i'm not sure. By 1995 all of the ex TH&B geeps had been regulated to yard service only 1683,1684,1687,1688,and 1689 are at St Luke's yard in Montreal. 1682,1684 are at CP's Agincourt yard in Toronto. 1686 is wirking out of CP's facilities in Thunderbay and 1690 is at CP's Alythe shops in Calgary as a shop switcher.

[trolleyboy]

Hello Tom I'll sip a tea while your about the tending of the bar.[tup]

To answer your question the Empire State ws a NYC train. It however cut accross southern Ontario from Buffalo up through Fort Erie and onto the Michigan Central owned Canada Southern through St Thomas and onto Detroit. The St Thomas leg / Canda sountern ( Caso ) is what the TH&B ran on through there was a TH&B operation. Seing as how the Michigan Central owned something like 60% of the TH&B ergo the NYC owned the majority of the TH&B with CP owning the balance. The Ontario conections to the Empire express were accomplished Via TH&B feeder trains and TH&B trackage thus the rather muddled relationship. I know clear as mud.


I'm happy to add some technical stuff to the discussion, you can't do all of it. Since I'm laid up for two or three days, I figured that while I was catching up on some reading I could spend some quality time here and add the odd Bon Mots


I can imagine that news like hearing of the Pearl Harbour attack even on one as young as you were at the time,would be something that would stay with you. As it already has. That in mind was a partial reason why I posted that piece when I did with Rememberance Day comming up.

Rob

[siberianmo]

G'day!

And now for something a little bit different - some NOSTALGIA, some MODEL RAILROADING, some REAL RAILROADING .....

Here’s something for the Steam Locomotive fans in our group:
The North American Steam Locomotive Wheel Arrangements

Type ………. Wheel diagram ………. Name(s)

0-2-2 ……… Oo
0-4-0 ……… Oo ………………….. 4-coupled
0-4-2 ……… OOo
0-4-4 ……… OOoo ……………….. Forney 4-coupled
0-4-6 ……… OOooo ……………… Forney 4-coupled
0-6-0 ……… OOO ……………….. 6-coupled
0-6-2 ……… OOOo ………………. Baldwin, Uintah
0-6-4 ……… OOOoo ……………... Forney 6-coupled
0-6-6 ……… OOOooo ……………. Forney 6-coupled
0-8-0 ……… OOOO ………………. 8-coupled
0-8-2 ……… OOOOo
0-10-0 ……. OOOOO ……………..10-coupled
0-10-2 ……. OOOOOo …………… Union

2-2-0 ……… oO .………………….. Planet
2-2-2 ……… oOo. ………………… Single
2-4-0 ……… oOO. …………………Porter
2-4-2 ……… oOOo ……………….. Columbia
2-6-0 ……… oOOO ………………. Mogul
2-6-2 ……… oOOOo ................... Prairie
2-8-0 ……… oOOO ………………. Consolidation
2-8-2 ……… oOOOOo …………… Mikado
2-8-4 ……… oOOOOoo ………….. Berkshire, Kanawha
2-10-0 …….. oOOOOO ................ Decapod
2-10-2 …….. oOOOOOo …………. Santa Fe
2-10-4 …….. oOOOOOoo ………... Texas

4-2-0 ……… ooO ………………… Six-wheeler
4-2-2 ……… ooOo ……………….. Bicycle
4-2-4 ……… ooOoo
4-4-0 ……… ooOO ………………. American
4-4-2 ……… ooOOo ……………... Atlantic
4-4-4 ……… ooOOoo ……………. Reading
4-6-0 ……… ooOOO …………….. Ten-wheeler
4-6-2 ……… ooOOOoo ………….. Pacific
4-6-4 ……… ooOOOoo ………….. Baltic, Hudson
4-8-0 ……… ooOOOO .………….. Mastodon
4-8-2 ……… ooOOOOo …………. Mountain
4-8-4 ……… ooOOOOoo .……….. Northern
4-10-0 …….. ooOOOOO ………… Decapod
4-10-2 …….. ooOOOOOo ……….. Overland, Southern Pacific
4-12-2 …….. ooOOOOOOo .…….. Union Pacific

Articulated Locomotives

0-2-2-0 …… OO …………………. Mt. Washington Cog Railroad
0-4-4-0 …… OO OO
0-6-6-0 …… OOO OOO ………… Mallet
0-8-8-0 …… OOOO OOOO …….. Angus

2-6-6-0 …… oOOO OOO
2-6-6-4 …… oOOO OOOoo
2-6-6-6 …… oOOO OOOooo …….. Allegheny
2-8-8-0 …… oOOOO OOOO …….. Bull Moose
2-8-8-2 …… oOOOO OOOOo …… Chesapeake
2-10-10-2 … oOOOOO OOOOOo

4-4-6-2 …… ooOO OOOoo
4-6-6-4 …… ooOOO OOOoo ………….. Challenger
4-8-8-4 …… ooOOOO OOOOoo ……… Big Boy
2-8-8-8-2 … oOOOO OOOO OOOOo … Triplex
2-8-8-8-4 … oOOOO OOOO OOOOoo .. Triplex

Note: Forum format differences make for “skewed” columns.

Check out this URL for more: http://www.steamlocomotive.com/misc/wheels.shtml


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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