Do you suppose there's a windshield on the side we can't see of #1?
#3 is the only kind of diesel that should be operated with a steam loco in excursion service: one that has a photography platform.
No 5 needs more accoutrements:
Trains, trains, wonderful trains. The more you get, the more you toot!
It appears that the builder of this locomotive was familiar with the 1928 Krupp Zoelly Turbine T18 1001.
I spent some time recalling where I had seen the twin cylindrical condensers just above the driving wheels on a locomotive until I remembered:
http://douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/germturb/germturb.htm
I note the coupling rods on the strange locomotive are in fact solid with the truss on the outside (at least, you can't see through the truss). But nothing appears to drive the third driving axle, even assuming the first axle is geared to a a turbine.
Peter
This photo appears to have been taken later than the side view (the leading truck has derailed and the nearer rail has disppeared beneath dirt, and the boxcar(?) behind the locomotive has moved out of frame or disappeared.
It seems our designer had seen the Swiss Zoelly locomotive as well and has incorporated its condensers, as well as those of the Krupp locomotive listed in the earlier post (well, it has at least two turbines) but a rather more significant error is that the Swiss condensers are located IN FRONT OF the turbine in the steam flow which would tend to reduce its efficiency unless it is a hydraulic turbine.
In the first photo, the Swiss condensers are faired into the steam pipe but not in the second photo - perhaps the fairings just fell off at some time?
That that would be something to be trackside to listen to and watch those Zoelly Turbines back in the day.
Believe it or not, this is a screenshot of the computer game "Fallout 4", a very popular action role-playing, open-world sandbox game. The game is set within an open world post-apocalyptic environment that encompasses the city of Boston and the surrounding Massachusetts region known as "The Commonwealth". The main story takes place in the year 2287, ten years after the events of Fallout 3 and 210 years after "The Great War", which caused catastrophic nuclear devastation across the United States. Player finish missions after mission within a 100 km2 area.
When I played this game, I didn't notice there was more than one version of this steampunk engine, one was a 6-8-4, another one was a 4-8-4. In this game, a player could build their own settlement anywhere inside the mentioned area, and this was what I built on an island, the Hotel Normandie:
The building was supposed to be much taller but it reached the height limited in the game.
Jones 3D Modeling Club https://www.youtube.com/Jones3DModelingClub
Believe it or not, this is a screenshot of the computer game "Fallout 4", a very popular action role-playing, open-world sandbox game.
I have seen a lot of computer generated imagery, and I have never seen variations like that seen between the two views of the same locomotive. The change in ground level particularly would have no meaning in a game, just as the missing end fairings on the forward condensers have no reason to be there in one view and missing in another. I feel this might be a real item just incorporated in the game. There is a full size steampunk locomotive in New Zealand that I know of, not as impressive as this, of course.
It is the same locomotive in the two views, a 6-8-4 in both cases. the leading axle is obscured in the side view by trees. It would be unusual to put a tree in front of a CG image intentionally. And why is there a boxcar in one view and not in the other, and why does that boxcar not have a conventional coupler and truck in the view it is seen?
Peter, you are right about the wheel arrangement, but that is really a screencap from the PC game "Fallout 4". More screenshots of this engine:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=710074558
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/27041/
PG18:
I've never played a computer game and my experience with CG images is restricted to engineering drawings.
I have no idea how the images were put together, but the discrepancies are at least interesting....
Pit Flats
Did everyone have a few of these? Are there still some around, not the originals but a modern day equivalent?
309950 first of 5 pit flats built 1921. 37 feet long 80 ton capacity.
Note: The upright structure is part of the car. It holds the load as there is no bottom in the pit!
Another strange perspective that makes a pretty big cylinder even more massive than it is
Y6b
Are you saying that there is a hole in the center of the floor? Was it used to pick up stuff between the tracks, or in a drop pit?
I don't know .. was hoping someone would come forward and explain. It's a very strange thing!
Just hope it's not a portable gallows!
I assume it has no floor and is used over top an inspection pit but who knows?
MiningmanI assume it has no floor and is used over top an inspection pit but who knows?
It's for large loads like telescope mirrors or generator rotors that can't be carried blocked on a depressed-center car but extend the height of the loading gage from railhead to plate limit.
Ok good good, thanks. So then I would assume darn near everyone had a few of them. Are they still around today in some form?
Overmod Miningman I assume it has no floor and is used over top an inspection pit but who knows? It's for large loads like telescope mirrors or generator rotors that can't be carried blocked on a depressed-center car but extend the height of the loading gage from railhead to plate limit.
Miningman I assume it has no floor and is used over top an inspection pit but who knows?
At first I wondered if it was for high loads, but then it seemed the low cross member would rule that out.
Agreed! That cross member is throwing me off.
Miningman Ok good good, thanks. So then I would assume darn near everyone had a few of them. Are they still around today in some form?
A modern one:
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/473088/
CN had some similar cars in the past. One of the Northern Alberta history books has photos of them being used to move large dragline and bucketwheel parts on the NAR line to Fort McMurray back in the 1970s, when Syncrude's original mine was being built.
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
There you go. Terrific . Thanks
1) I've read that this Pennsy 0-6-0 was just left in place and is still there. Also that it is a very rare Pennsy locomotive because it does not have a Belpaire firebox. It is adjacent to the B&LE mainline.
2) Here is the last picture of the 13th Balloon Squad moments before they were swept up into the wild blue yonder never to be seen again!
( Not seriously, I'm just joking)
3) A poster entitled Deutsche Lufthansa.
A nazi logo plane meets the Wild West. This is weird.
4) The short lived Iowa Pacific. Man that's a skinny bridge!
5 The Nichols Locomotive
You can probably see the biggest snag already- the weight of the boiler was not available for adhesion. The performance in this respect must have been terrible.
Probably moved itself OK but otherwise mostly useless.
Here we go!
Photo 1) You know, it might just still be there. Abandoned locomotives turn up in the darndest places. A 24" gauge 0-4-4 turned up in the woods in Sussex County NJ in (I think) 2013, "Railfan and Railroad" magazine had an article about it. Wish I'd saved the issue.
That may not be the original boiler. There's a steam preservation club out in Williams Grove PA that owns a Pennsy 0-6-0 that doesn't have a Belpaire boiler either. Their locomotive had been reboilered sometime in the past and lost it's original Belpaire type.
It's the Williams Grove Historical Steam Engine Association, here's the website:
https://www.wghsea.org They've got some stuff!
Photo 2) Makes me think of Chief Wild Eagle. "It is bal-loon!"
Photo 3) "Git the Winchesters boys! They tell's me Nazis is good to eat and the season closes t'morrow! Yee-Ha!!!"
Photo 4) I guess it makes sense. Why pay for more bridge than you need?
Photo 5) A rare example of motive power from the Dolittle Locomotive Works, the world-famous "Pushme-Pullyou" engine. What the hell else could it be?
3) ... you should be ashamed. That is a German mailcoach (see the horn on the door? Don't Ever Antagonize The Horn and all that! If the color wasn't enough of a tipoff) and the fashion and all make me think it's 1833 'down below' - the aircraft is 1933. Gayle Ullmann wouldn't do too many more posters like that one ... he was Jewish and informed that the Reich und Volk had no further need of his art...
5) aside from the usual inimitable Self, Angus Sinclair has some things to say about the Nichols engine, perhaps a bit more understanding of the materials limitations, actual and believed, that governed some of the idea. Considering Harrison's Thunderer and Hurricane, which were in my opinion far wackier, and that it continued to be difficult to burn anthracite effectively in a locomotive (without starting to smelt part of it) for at least another decade,it is not that surprising to see an attempt at an oversized boiler to get the desired mass flow from slow but hot combustion.
I thought for a while that this had a Loughridge chain brake but am advised that thing is a fan. It is difficult to imagine that there was not enough heat release even with sparse tubes to capture it for that thing to work. It was clear to me that the 'boiler' was retained for water and iron weight and quite Possibly had all the adhesion the bearings and track could take while keeping the steam generator low enough for clearance and avoiding tip over.
Overmod-- yes I knew that, except that the artist was Jewish. I could not get a good clear larger size to copy but it can be found in the net quite easily. A stagecoach and a swastika emblazoned plane flying overhead was just too tempting. Probably shouldn't have put it up. It's a weird thing looking back...but at the time I'm sure it was a sign of progress and modernism.
Miningman ... at the time I'm sure it was a sign of progress and modernism.
As early as May 19th 1933 the new Nazi government had to pass a law formally restricting use of Hitler's carefully-designed swastika logo to approved things respecting 'dignity'. Seems everybody and his brother jumped on the bandwagon when the NSDAP took power, and again when the Weimar flag and its colors was replaced with the old 'imperial' style. Not surprising to see it in a 'modernity' poster -- it would be a while yet for the NS 'logo' to become a symbol of terror in itself.
(This was only a couple of years after the Tale of Bing-O, to put swastikas in contemporary perspective...)
Overmod That is a German mailcoach (see the horn on the door?
Whoops! I saw the stagecoach and the first things I thought of were John Wayne, "Tales of Wells Fargo," "Gunsmoke," "Maverick," well you get the picture. Next time I'll enlarge before I leap!
Then I could have been a little more correct:
"Ach du lieber! Kompetition! Get der Mausers boys, und shoot dat ting down!"
But tell me you didn't giggle just a bit at my "...Nazis are good to eat..." wisecrack!
OvermodAs early as May 19th 1933 the new Nazi government had to pass a law formally restricting use of Hitler's carefully-designed swastika logo to approved things respecting 'dignity'.
True, but it wouldn't be too long before the swastika flag became a mandatory tail marking on all German civil aircraft, especially Lufthansa's and the Zeppelin company, since they operated with a government subsidy.
You know the old saying, "Take the king's shilling..."
MiningmanThe Nichols Locomotive You can probably see the biggest snag already- the weight of the boiler was not available for adhesion. The performance in this respect must have been terrible.
There is more than a little irony here as I was commenting over details of GOUS (Becky will probably 'get' this Robertian reference). The frankly obvious answer to make the Nichols locomotive practical was simply to ... double its size. And hang the boiler between the two equalized engines, with 'helper' trucks or not...
This would have been much if the Garratt principle nearly three-quarters of a century earlier. And I haven't run numbers, but I don't see anything that couldn't have been built with iron and wood ... with Bessemer steel becoming an option less than two decades later.
Well how about an early attempt at a Cab Forward. Not quite an AC-12 but not too bad. Seems they got quite a bit right, including the headlight.
Before the Cab Forward there was this. And you wanted to be an Engineer!
More celebrated in the East but the Union Pacific tried out the AeroTrain on the City of Las Vegas. Maybe the ride was not quite as rough as in the East but then again maybe not and you had a bunch of grumpy gamblers detraining.
When I rode the California Zephyr back in '92 my bedroom attendant told me the trains Amtrak used to run to Las Vegas were always full. He wondered out loud why they were discontinued and thought it a good idea to bring them back.
Miningman Well how about an early attempt at a Cab Forward. Not quite an AC-12 but not too bad. Seems they got quite a bit right, including the headlight.
North Pacific Coast Railroad No. 21, very strange indeed...
http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/NPC21/NPC21.htm
NPC 21 predates all of SP's cab-forwards. Dan Ranger's article in TRAINS about SP's cab-forwards suggests that this locomotive may have been the inspiration to SP management after the first cab-rear AC's (SP 4000-4001) didn't work out so well.
4000-4001 (class MC-1, for Mallet Consolidation) were sublettered for Central Pacific when built. Flipped end-for-end (still MC-1) and later simpled (class AC-1 for Articulated Consolidation) losing their 26x30 high and 40x30 low pressure cylinders in favor of 4 22x30 cylinders around 1928.
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