daveklepper I remember this very clearly. Also, if I remember correctly, the same occured on those railroads, Alton, IC, and Wabash, runniing overnight Chicago - St. Louis sleepers. The Pullman sleepers were needed because of a massive movement of military from the Atlantic to the Pacific coast, since Germany surrended about five months before Japan. The men-only parlor car allowed men to sleep in their underwear or shorts without disturbing women.
I remember this very clearly. Also, if I remember correctly, the same occured on those railroads, Alton, IC, and Wabash, runniing overnight Chicago - St. Louis sleepers. The Pullman sleepers were needed because of a massive movement of military from the Atlantic to the Pacific coast, since Germany surrended about five months before Japan.
The men-only parlor car allowed men to sleep in their underwear or shorts without disturbing women.
Johnny
Okay, regarding the NH losing its sleepers, is this one of those "for the Duration" situations? That the military ordered the sleepers reassigned? At one time ordinary enlisted men were expected to sleep two in a lower berth (still one in the upper berth), so the sleepers' capacities would probably be at least as great as a pre-World War II parlor car. Not to mention a better night's sleep for the sevicemen.
Katharine Hepburn: "Between the upper class and the lower, give me the lower."
Jimmy Stewart: "Only if you can't get a drawing room."
from The Philadelphia Story, MGM, 1940.
al-in-chgoOkay, regarding the NH losing its sleepers, is this one of those "for the Duration" situations? That the military ordered the sleepers reassigned?
Al, that's close enough. The Office of Defense Transport ordered that all sleepers assigned to runs of 450 miles or less were to be used for transporting returned military. This took care of many overnight runs--such as New York-Buffalo (sleepers that went through Buffalo, with destinations more than 450 miles from NYC were not affected), Chicago-St. Louis, Louisville-St. Louis, Louisville-Nashville, etc. I know of one 161.1 mile line that was allowed to continue: Southern's Atlanta to Birmingham. On its return from Birmingham (on #12), the car continued to NYC on the Piedmont Limited; this was a 10-1-2 which apparently came into Atlanta from NYC on #29; perhaps the Atlanta-Birmingham leg (on #11) was considered to be a continuation from #29 even though it had a different line number (Pullman line 2653 NYC to Atlanta; 2641 Atlanta to Birmingham; 2657 Birmingham to NYC).
Your question.
Great, Johnny! We're just sitting down to an early dinner so please give me a little while to verify my question.
al
Okay, here's the question: I think it's something people will either know or not.
Give the wheel arrangement (configuration), in code, for the GG-1.
And if the men encountered the women, they might get a little "disturbed" themselves if you know what I mean. - a.s.
Looks like I rudely interrupted myself. Here's the new question again:
Salud! - a.s.
al-in-chgo Looks like I rudely interrupted myself. Here's the new question again: Give the wheel arrangement (configuration), in code, for the GG-1. Salud! - a.s.
That's easy enough: 2-C+C-2
CSSHEGEWISCH al-in-chgo Looks like I rudely interrupted myself. Here's the new question again: Give the wheel arrangement (configuration), in code, for the GG-1. Salud! - a.s. That's easy enough: 2-C+C-2
Paul, you win, and you have the right to post the next question. - a.s.
The Owl was unusual in the use of parlor cars to replace sleepers, although one of the Chicago - St. Louis routes may have done similarly. Other sleeper runs that were closed included the NY - Washington Edison and Indianapolis - Chicago. The Federal order, like the order stopping conversion of streetcars and interurbans to buses, was not withdrawn until sometime after Japan surrended.
The South Shore Line is currently electrified at 1500 VDC. What was the electrification of its predecessor, the Chicago Lake Shore & South Bend?
daveklepper The Owl was unusual in the use of parlor cars to replace sleepers, although one of the Chicago - St. Louis routes may have done similarly. Other sleeper runs that were closed included the NY - Washington Edison and Indianapolis - Chicago. The Federal order, like the order stopping conversion of streetcars and interurbans to buses, was not withdrawn until sometime after Japan surrended.
CSSHEGEWISCH The South Shore Line is currently electrified at 1500 VDC. What was the electrification of its predecessor, the Chicago Lake Shore & South Bend?
Would it have been 750 Volts of direct current? I can think of some trolley lines that started out at that voltage so maybe a tradition got started. - a.s.
al-in-chgo CSSHEGEWISCH The South Shore Line is currently electrified at 1500 VDC. What was the electrification of its predecessor, the Chicago Lake Shore & South Bend? Would it have been 750 Volts of direct current? I can think of some trolley lines that started out at that voltage so maybe a tradition got started. - a.s.
Definitely not.
CSSHEGEWISCHThe South Shore Line is currently electrified at 1500 VDC. What was the electrification of its predecessor, the Chicago Lake Shore & South Bend?
6600 Volts, 25 Hz AC. Conversion to 1500 Volts DC was done for compatibility with the IC electrification as well as for better economy of operation.
erikem CSSHEGEWISCH The South Shore Line is currently electrified at 1500 VDC. What was the electrification of its predecessor, the Chicago Lake Shore & South Bend? 6600 Volts, 25 Hz AC. Conversion to 1500 Volts DC was done for compatibility with the IC electrification as well as for better economy of operation.
We have a winner!! Erikem, your question.
CSSHEGEWISCH We have a winner!! Erikem, your question.
As long as we're on the subject of AC powered interurbans...
What was the first interurban to be equipped with single phase AC?
- Erik
I think it was the
Schenectady Railway Co., Aug. 17, 1904, Schenectady to Ballston, General Electric motor.
Indianapolis & Cincinnati Traction Co. probably second, Indy to Rushville, Westinghouse motor.
New York Times article, The Single-Phase Motor
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9C04E0D81230E132A25755C0A96F9C946597D6CF
Mike
Mike,
Hilton and Due's book claims that the I&C Rushville line was the first, but your answer is good enough to be a winner, so it's your question.
P.S. Will have to look into the Schenectady Railway Company - one of the nice things about participating in these Q&A contests is picking up on a lot of interesting RR trivia.
http://books.google.com/books?id=bftUAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA97
Proceedings of the American Electric Railway Association (1922) says Indianapolis & Cincinnati Traction is "notable as one of the earliest successful single-phase systems."
http://books.google.com/books?id=GRQpAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA270
How many horses powered General Pershing's horse car?
http://pro.corbisimages.com/images/UKD916INP.jpg?size=67&uid={99448823-40cd-4053-bd9b-63d752255b1a}
http://pro.corbisimages.com/images/UKD915INP.jpg?size=67&uid={4941fc5c-c71e-450a-b0c6-8b03cfeb2d85}
Mike the General Pershings Zephyr Silver Charger had a single 1,000 hp 567 so was basically similar to the Rock Island Diesel B units that had a single diesel and a baggage compartment with a cab at the blunt end to forward the Colorado Springs section of the Rocky Mountain Rocket to and from Limon Colorado. It operated behind a traditional E unit from and to Chicago. These two RI units eventually received a second 567 where the baggage compartment had been and were operated in Chicago suburban service. MP also had a similar single engine E unit baggage compartment unit as well originally assigned to the Delta Eagle.
Al - in - Stockton
Al, that's right, you're up. Here's the Rock....
http://photoswest.org/photos/00005876/00005931.jpg
http://www.rockisl.com/galleries/builder/750-2aright.jpg
Name the primary and secondary transcontinental trains when the CP and CN first placed there streamlined cars in service in 1955?
Al - in - Stockton.
CP: Canadien/Canadian, Dominion
CN Super-Continental Continental
daveklepper CP: Canadien/Canadian, Dominion CN Super-Continental Continental
Don't answer until you have at least ten answers to these questions:
In the glorous days of electric traction in the USA, what specific streets in what specific cities had six electric railway tacks for a considerable distance, not just a yard throat or temrinal. Electric railway tracks may include streetcars, interurbans, subways, elevated, commuter lines, and any combination. At least one street had eight tracks. At least one bridge had eight tracks. Name these also.
Bonus question: Three streets have six tracks today. Two are included in the above paragraph in general. One is new.
daveklepper Don't answer until you have at least ten answers to these questions: In the glorous days of electric traction in the USA, what specific streets in what specific cities had six electric railway tacks for a considerable distance, not just a yard throat or temrinal. Electric railway tracks may include streetcars, interurbans, subways, elevated, commuter lines, and any combination. At least one street had eight tracks. At least one bridge had eight tracks. Name these also. Bonus question: Three streets have six tracks today. Two are included in the above paragraph in general. One is new.
I think you may have set the bar a little high on this one, Dave. Especially the ten-answer minimum.
I'll go for part of the throw: Boston, NY, Philadelphia, Chicago, Cleveland, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Montreal, Toronto, and Indianapolis with only Philadelphia and Chicago remaining.
All guess work only.
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The bar isn't as high as you think. I should be easy if you think through. Again, I want specific streets and the bridge (optional), not just the name of the city or neighborhood.
Need some hints? Some of the streets had six tracks but also had eight power rails. For a short distance one had six tracks and twelve power rails. One of the streets: six tracks, only two power rails and eight transit-related overhead wires.
Stop to think where most electric railway tracks were and which streets they were on and are on what the number of tracks were and are and you will get the answer. But ten is the minimum number, at least for the present. Remember, there are three time periods referred to so all ten don't have to be in the same time period.
Some more hints. Photos on a different thread should provide you with three answers.
Photos of a certain subway portal that I feel certain most have seen should provide another answer.
A trains article in the late forties or early fifties should give another answer.
Route maps of cities with electric railway transportation can give all the answers.
One of the six-track sections was actually pictured as such in pictorial maps inside the transit system's rolling stock!
In certain cases, and at certain times, not all the tracks were owned by the same company. In fact, in more than one case, three different companies were involved! In two cases, four different companies!
I know of sixteen cases, surely you should be able to find ten!
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